/bbg/ ─ Bloodborne General

first for micolash is our boy

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>>162543404

I picked this game up on black friday, and just got the DLC a couple days ago. So far I've used up 300 blood vials trying to beat Orphan of Kos on NG+. I always die when he's at about 33% - 50% health after I've already healed like 10 times

fuuuuck! I had no problems with Maria or Living Failures, and Ludwig was a learning experience but I feel like I learned how to beat him fair and square. Orphan is just something else though

>>162544667
This shit makes me so sad

Gascoigne and Henryk did nothing wrong

>>162544576
Get better runes

>>162544576
Orphan's super hard, don't worry, but he's a fantastic fight. Orphan messes with your dodging instincts, one thing to do with him is rarely dodge backwards, usually dodge sideways, but it's so hard to get a proper hand on it.

He's relatively easy to parry and he's actually weak to fire, I believe, exploit these weaknesses.

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I make all my characters in this game with pure white hair so I can say the knight's wig is my hair and not look retarded wearing it. Anyone else do this?

>>162545729
Fire somewhat, bolt and thrust primarily.
They say he's easier to fight in the water, but I never tried it.

>>162545916
>knight's wig

>>162545916
Just you. Baldy.

>>162546064
I can't think of a more retarded look than bald + knight's wig.

What's wrong with it? Turns any white hair into long hair and long white hair into even more long white hair.

>>162546028
Woops, meant to quote you
>>162546202

>>162546021
> Fire somewhat, bolt and thrust primarily.

That's not true, orphan is not kin. Great Ones arnt weak to anythibg in particular, only a certain subset of them and thier brethren.

Orphan of Kos defenses
> 183 Physical defense
> 183 Thrust defense
> 183 Blunt defense
> 183 Blood defense
> 274 Arcane defense
> 205 Fire defense
> 228 Bolt defense

He's weakest to physical of any kind, but Arc build's will get most out of fire. Using fire paper will help more than Bolt paper or Empty Phantasm Shell, but the damage buff will only be 20ish damage per hit (maybe even less).

Does it ever slightly unsettle you when you're farming for arc or blt gems and you gotta wonder what other gems you're throwing away that'd be perfect for another build?

>>162549347
Nope

>>162549347
Being able to sacrifice 5-10 gems and re-forge them for one you want could be a cool thing.

Or a Blood Gem Trading table. (they could balance it out, by only being able to trade gems of the same rank or rarity)

>farming arc
>choose chalice for pthu elder
>reach layer 2
>first thing I see if an undead giant mob
>run to the right
>mad ones and witch
>run left
>up a ladder
>black dark room of mad ones
>trigger invisible trap that summons red pthumerian undeads
>absolutely annihilated by red undeads and flailing brainsucker guarding lever

Oh my fucking Christ that was a horrible place

>>162550793
>getting sick of fucking witches
>decide to just run past rooms with them in them
>first room layer 3 has one
>second room has one
>THIRD ROOM HAS ONE

FUCKING W H Y

>>162550793
What glyph?

>>162551230
jemmjmpi

Be careful, anon

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is it even possible to take out one of these guys in a straight up fight? I cannot seem to dodge his axe and its enormous AOE impacts, and if he hits me once then he will hit me two more times while I'm knocked down because he's so fast

I figured out how to sneak past him and backstab him, but I want to know how to beat him one on one

Haven't done PvP much outside of endgame stuff on BL 98 and 114. Thinking of making a mid-level build to random invade throughout the game more.
What's a good level for that? Also, will I still have to grind for chalice gems to have any hope of beating people? I'm thinking I should be set just getting the gems at Mensis. I also don't want to twink people.

>>162551459
Parry him to death.

Where should you stop leveling arc?
50? 70? 80? 99?

>>162551459
Ludwig?

Laurence?

Orphan?

Nah, man.

Nightmare Executioners.

>>162551935
whenever you want to cut-off, tools scale all the way to 99 and weapons hit the second soft cap at 50

>>162551813
I didn't think you could parry him; he's almost the size of Cleric Beast and he comes charging at you like a runaway train

>>162551935
Depends on your build, dude.

I stopped at 70 and it works pretty well.

>>162551459
use a fast weapon and dodge behind him
he's like a DS2 enemy with all the poise and lingering hitboxes so you have to do the good ol' buttstab technique

>>162552035
>>162552091
I've never used arcane so I don't know shit about what the best arcane build is, or if tools are useful enough to invest points into.

>>162552193
>use a fast weapon
Is that just the solution to every problem?
Why does bloodborne even have slow weapons? They don't work with the gameplay at all.

>>162552261
Tools are decent, especially in pve, but ultimately bloodborne is still meant to played like a fast no shield melee character so your weapons will always be the main source of damage
this means that 50 arcane is good enough, but higher arcane is never a waste as long as you remain in the level group you want

>>162552357
You can use slow weapons to stunlock and smash stuff, usually slow weapons in this game have range or hyper armor to compensate
Like spamming axe or LHB r2s is actually super effective, though not as effective in all situations as a saw or similar

How much endurance should I have for a pure arc build?

>>162552261
I've been making my first pure arc build and I decided this would work well for a level 98 character with the Cruel Fate origin:

40vit
14end
base strength and skill
base bloodtinge
70 arcane

Tools I think all have S scaling and they can get some truly disgusting damage. I'm farming for gems at the moment, two +65 Arc scaling cold abyssals from Pthumerian Elder and a +27.1% arc triangle from Isz Watchers seems to be very good gem set up.

>>162552357
>Why does bloodborne even have slow weapons? They don't work with the gameplay at all.

They absolutely do, you just need to work on your timing. You can be an R1 mashing sawfag and it's fine, but to make good use if slower weapons, it's all about calculating range and timing, getting enemies to walk into your attacks, like a Hunter Axe charged R2. It takes more skill to use slower weapons which potentially do devastating damage.

>>162552719
But what's the point of all that work if your DPS is still going to be lower than the chucklefuck mashing R1 with a saw?

>>162552658
Absolutely no more than 15.

>>162552719
>takes more skill to spam hunters axe r2
yeah that's why I run into these retards spamming it with 2 co-ops doing the same shit

>>162552831
DPS is really not what slow weapons are lacking in, buddy.

>>162552831
F U N
U
N

Gitting gud and getting skilled, actually having he mental faculties to use a weapon properly. R1 mashing is so easy a monkey could clear Central Yharnam with a saw. Take a slower weapon, you actually have to think on the go and learn what to do.

>>162553039
The end result is all that matters.
Gitting gud is just as much about discerning the correct options to use as it is about pure mechanical skill.

>>162552848
That's because they're fucking idiots who can't into timing and don't wait for you to come to them, who don't try to land stuff while you're in the midst of an attack.

>>162553136
Its fucking bloodborne not street fighter just enjoy yourself you faggot

>>162553185
I find my enjoyment in playing optimally.

>>162552357
Str also has the stagger going for it. With Kirk can make every human boss a joke because the R1s are so good.

>>162553136
Then why the discussion in the first place?

I think the important question is if you find it entertaining at all. This is entertainment, after all. If you find enjoyment maximizing efficiency with no regard to anything else around it, that's cool, but other weapons exist because they are all viable depending on how much you want to learn them.

Other weapons exist because that end result can be reached however you see fit.

Post hunters

>>162553417
then you're playing the souls game wrong

>>162552658
Tools don't use stamina so Base END is more than fine.

>>162551460
Mensis is generally enough for FCs, though there still is a significant difference. With full korean gems you may be able to kill someone with one or two fewer hits

>>162551460
Bl43 for twinking
I had lots of fun with bl ~55 in Frontier with mensis gems.

Lads

The flail is in the game

But the Pthumerian warriors guy get it

>it's a "Fromsoft puts three regular enemies in a room and calls it a boss" episode.

>>162556516
Shadows of Yharnam, right? Where else did you encounter them?

>page 9

>>162555219
This, bl43 gets me consistent fun action in the frontier.

>>162558551
Monday's are the slowest, damn

You hunters snack on anything while hunting? Or is the blood beasts enough for ye?

>>162561425
Bloody Mary

>>162561425
just the fetuses of aborted children

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Do you base your characters off anything? I based one of mine from pic related.

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PS4 Pro performance benchmark when

>>162563090
I based mine off Jack the Ripper.

>>162563804
Never ever

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>>162564786

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>>162563090

>>162565334
fucking kek, this is fantastic anon

>>162565334
>ludwigs holy blade is the moon presence influencing ludwig
>ludwig wrote moonlight sonata

HOW DEEP DOES THE LORE GO`

>>162565334
Neat, man.
I'd use Gascoigne's pants if they didn't have that goofy looking, shiny belt buckle.

>>162565334
>>162565632
The only acceptable usage of Ludwig's

>>162566216
LHB is fun and don't let any saw babbies tell you otherwise.

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>>162566808
>LHB
>fun

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>>162567034
>saws
>fun

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test

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pic related comes up and awoos into your ear
What do?

I'm pretty new on Bloodborne, and my first build is pretty shit, mainly blt/dex, and got some questions.
Been using the Chikage and Simon's, and I got interested in the Reiter, is it any good? I'm level 130 with 30 dex 40 blt, I can't pvp yet

>>162568095
wake him up

>>162568095
>eat beast pellet
>stunlock him to death because he's a frail little bitch

>>162568321
Reiter's great for PVP. Decent for PVE. BL130 is a bit high for /bbg/, though. We're generally a bit lower than that, but you can always make a new build.

>>162568321
Reiter is almost entirely a skill weapon.
I find it kinda boring and it has awful tracking

>>162568095
>take his cage off and wear it

>trying to make cute asian girl in creator
>it just looks like a thai hooker tranny

EVERY

FUCKING

TIME

why can't i into character creators, i don't know how people do it

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>>162569798
Some anon posted this abomination some threads ago, and I remember almost bursting into laughter in the middle of class.

>>162570040
Jesus christ, that's what I probably ended up with yesterday after giving up on the creator

Going back at it again right now. Fuck this sucks, I just want a cute asian girl for my skill/arc build

>>162569798
How many times will you retards learn? Stop trying to make "waifus" and stop trying to make "qts" in souls games. The art style literally does not allow for it. Just make normal fucking people. Jesus christ.

>>162567540
>weapons
>fun

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I can't seem to find the chalice speedrun guide some anon made a while ago. Is it still up on yt?

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>>162568095
Bully him.

>>162570040
JESUS

>>162571170
>you will never be friends with Micolash and run away together from hunters, all while jumping through mirrors, awooing like total madmen, and discussing the kos(m)os, having the time of your lives
Why live?

>>162571165
Refer to
>>162543208
>>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
>http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

>Want to make bloodtinge build
>All the BLT weapons are locked behind half the game and difficult bosses
Ho hum

>>162572205
Upgrade str to 30, then kill Logarius with your starter weapon, acquire Chikage and start upgrading Bloodtinge.

>>162572453
Yeah I just realized I already have a character who has chikage just needed to level BLT

>>162572453
>Upgrade str to 30
>Bloodtinge build
???

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>>162572903
>not using cannons and gatling on your blt build
>using only one form of your Bloodletter

>>162572453
>30 str
This leaves you with 28 points to spend on Vit and End. The fuck are you gonna do with that?

>>162572903
Big guns and good damage on untricked Bloodletter. You only really need 28 to use all the relevant big guns, but going to 30 for the cannon couldn't hurt, I'm sure.

>>162573083
Level up to 109, 50 vit 15 end.
Nobody in our FC stops at 98 anyway.

>>162573314
50 vit 15 end would be 115.

>>162573421
Start with military vet and stop at 28 str.

>>162573314
Speak for yourself, a decent number of people do. It's not like that number doesn't exist for a reason.

what is the doll

>>162574031
Princess

>>162574031
She's our princess

Anyone got a nice screenshot of AWAY AWAY

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>>162574197
AWAY AWAY

do the villagers think you're a beast?

>>162574031
1. A doll
2. Moon Presence
3. Maria
4. ?????????
5. PROFIT

>>162574504
They consider every outsider a beast, they think that outsiders contaminating their blood are the reason why the scourge started.

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>>162574504
A BEAST, A FOUL BEAST!

>>162574371
Thanks but you got any ingame screenshots of one of those dudes as reference?

does the doll in the hunters workshop actually move her finger or is that a glitch?

Is there any way to stop macaroni head from using her charge attack?
It's the only reason I haven't beat her; at least her insta death lasers are dodgable.

>>162574691
>plague-ridden
Finally I know what the fuck those guys are saying.

>>162575504
You can dodge it, this is how I do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmlcpuoU26M

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>>162574031
A whore

>>162574031
Oedon

>>162574031
The Heart

speaking of the doll, whaddya guys think of the whole "the doll is paleblood" shit?

I didn't like this Dark Souls, will i like this game?
Can i fight with scythes?

>>162576785
You can probably get it used for 10 bucks, try it yourself.

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>>162563090

>>162576785
certainly depends on why you didn't like dark souls but as the other guy said you should try for yourself.

going to a general and asking a question like this is a weird behavior

>>162577008
I'm just wondering what's the difference between this game and Dark Souls. Didn't like the controls and graphics

>>162576785
There is a scythe, it's a good weapon

>>162576785
>>162577181
Maybe you should look at some gameplay footage and come back to 4chan when you're 18+.

But if you don't like the controls or "graphics" (I can only assume you meant to type "art direction" ), you probably won't enjoy Bloodborne. Such a loss for us to not have you in the community.

>>162577181
controls are the same so just take a pass on this one, buddy. there are a lot of other good ones out there.

So arcane is useless for a beast claw build right? What about bloodtinge?

>>162577181
It's almost the same, you wouldn't like it. Buy another game and move on.

>>162577489
Neither is good for the beast claw.

Anybody want to help me with Logarius?
I'm lvl 36 and ringing outside the fog gate.
Pass is bbg

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>>162577489
50 str 25 skill

>blt
>on claw build

>>162577664
>>162577685
Not good, but is it useful to add on the side of the str and skill? Or would it be better to just forget blt altogether and focus on those two?

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>>162578303
I don't know at what level you want to cap but you shouldn't have room to waste points on arc and blt

Any tips for Ludwig?

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>>162578812

>>162578812
Stick to the left (his right) side during the first phase. For the jump attack, wait one second and roll. For the second, blood-dripping jump attack, sprint in a straight line and he'll miss you. Try not to be directly beneath him for too long, because that stomp attack is absolutely nasty.
Otherwise, just learn his tells and dodge accordingly. It's a manner of learning his moveset.

Is BL110 a good place to cap my builds? I want to join the fight clubs on the weekends but my only character is at 150.

>>162578586
Alright, I wondered if that was the case. Thanks guys!

>get this game
>get wrecked
>play with homie
>we get through first two bosses him doing most of the work
>get scraped by the bitch who turns into a white wolf monster

I cant even do a visceral attack.

>>162579303
Anywhere between 80 and 120 is good, with 98-110 being a good middle ground.

>>162579303
Just stay between 98 and 117

>>162579303
You can go up to 120 but I tend to cap at 117 for coop (and honestly I think I deleted my 117 to make another 98), but yeah anything within 80-120 is good.

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Alright so I'm at BL81 and have 40 points in STR and VIT and 20 in END, 15 ARC. I've really only been using the Kirkhammer. I tried the Boomhammer and didn't like it at all, tried the Stakedriver and it just wasnt for me. What weapon should I consider picking up? I was thinking Moonlight Holy Sword but my ARC is so low.
PvE only, but I do want to keep co-oping in the Chalice Dungeons.

>>162579817
Whirligig Saw, its buffable and really great.

>>162579817
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapons

Try the ones with good letters in strength.

>Ludwig has a dumb headbutt attack where you have to dodge BEFORE any animation or que starts or it hits you
Fucking stupid

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>>162579435
>>162579443
>>162579586
Here are my planned builds, how do they look?
>1/3

>>162580212
Those points in arcane seem wasted.

>>162580163
If you're talking about the charge, that's factually incorrect. He starts to gear up for it and starts screaming, and you just dodge a couple times to the side as soon as he does and it'll go right past you.

Need help for ludwig
pass: hoerse

>>162580212
>that one point in blt
Looks okay.

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>>162580212
>2/3

>>162545308
Not having insight is definitely doing something wrong desu.

>>162580314
Not the charge. The headbut that only does a little damage but it's annoying because it staggers you and it's almost instant with no warning and the best way to avoid it is not stay in front of him

Damn why is it whenever I complain about a boss no one knows what attack I'm talking about. Am I just playing so differently bosses are using uncommon attacks or something?

>>162580435
>30 Skill
>Not using the starting class with the least amount of arcane points
What are you even doing mate

>>162580514
Not that anon, but the one that launches you into the air? I've never had trouble dodging it. It was fairly obvious, albeit fast. Just sidestep.

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>>162580310
I like to use the basic hunter tools, mainly the magic buff as I love the effect, and I'll also be using HMLS, so I'm just trying to squeeze as much use out of the overall moveset as possible.

>>162580310
Yeah, I'm OCD about odd numbers but as for:
>3/3
I'm going to have to deal with it. 99 or bust.

i keep dying

>>162580789
Stop getting hit.

>>162580859
i keep getting hit too

>>162580435
That one is bad

>>162580752
>20 vit
>99 arc
Don't do that to yourself.

>>162580568
Yeah, this one wasn't planned well. Main weapon for this character is the tricked Bowblade. What would be a better distribution on this one? Still want to be able to stand a chance with the sword though.
Also, I chose professional for roleplay reasons.

>>162580873
Well stop doing that.

Are the ranges for co-op and pvp different? I don't give a shit about pvp but I dont want to overlevel and not be able to help others with dungeons and bosses

What's a good level to start the dlc at?

>>162581397
60-65

>>162580898
I know it'll be tough, but I'm role-playing a ancient old sage/squishy ayy glass cannon build. I have a lot of spelunking to do with this one too.

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When does chikage start doing good damage?

>>162581624
When you get offshape bloodtinge gems.

Chikage is actual garbage and I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it.

>>162581346
https://mpql.net/tools/bloodborne/

Coop with password is always possible, you'll just get downscaled.

>>162581443
>spelunking FRCs with 20 vit
Don't

>>162581624
When you level up you blt, your weapon and get gud gems

>>162551213
But witches ain't shit.

>>162581852
You must be new here.

Why does this game only have like 3 weapons that are worth using

>>162582032
Because you have shit taste

>>162581796
Well? How am I supposed to fit another 10 VIT into this. What's the difference between 70-99 ARC?

What version of the Amygdalan arm would I want for a 40str/50arc build?

>>162581443

>20 vit

You will be a raging glass canon. Have "fun" in the CFR dungeons.

>>162581974
Sorry that you're shit m8

>>162581443
nigga youll be roleplaying the loading screen when you hit the chalice dungeons

what is the gayest, most OP powergamer weapon in this game?

>>162581852
>>162582606
There's a difference between Hemwick Witches, the boss, and Hemwick Witches, the chalice mob. Go into an FRC dungeon and you'll see what he means.

>>162582698
Saw Spear and Saif are both fucking ridiculous.

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Okay, I've revised my glass-cannon ayylmao build. How's it looking?

>>162582698
Saif for PvP
Whirligig for PvE

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>>162581852

>>162582816
>that one point in blt

Base End is enough. What's the str and skl for?

awoo~

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Also my Bowblade and Chikage build. I had no idea what to put those 10 spare points in.

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>>162581624

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>>162582969

>>162583138
Into Vitality, you clown. 60 BLT is absolutely worthless.
What's the 20 Skill for anyways?

>>162581796
thanks, yeah I more care about playing with randos. I have no clue where most people stop leveling to be honest. I know i've seen level 98 and I think like, 112 thrown around.

>>162583053
The two points in SKL and BLT are purely OCD, but the strength is for a bolt gemmed Tonitrus secondary. Also, ayy tentacle rape is mega heavy on stamina.

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>>162583138
This is what I would do, you can probably improve it.

>>162583380
If it's ocd go and see a doctor

>>162583219
I didn't want my sneaky archer gal to have as much health as my tanky STR knight build.
20 SKL is so the untricked forms of my weapons actually still do something.

>>162582816
Start with Cruel Fate, don't level End, get Arc to 50-90, Vit to 40. Toni is more of a Str/Arc weapon, 11 Skill for a Bolt Saif is a better investment. 40/12/10/11/5/70 puts you at 98, getting 90 Arc puts you at 118.

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>>162583146
But trump-senpai what does skill/blt use otherwise?

Why do people insist that Micolash is the head of Mensis when his actual corpse is wearing shackles?

>>162583717
Then make good use of those 10 points and move them out of BLT. You're better off going 30 Skill, or 25 at least. The other 5 can be moved into Vitality.

>>162583791
bowblade

>>162583840
the whole mensis thing is a big ole head scratcher in my opinion

>>162583840
Mensis was full of weirdos, the shackles could mean anything

>>162583138
Military Veteran:40+/10+/14/25/50/6. I wouldn't recommend 25 Skill since Chikage untricked is already shit, but it gives a bit more damage to the Bowblade. 14 Strength for Bloodletter, Blt builds have very few right-hand options and the Bloodletter is pretty fun. Whatever amount of Vit/End, 40/base is the minimum I'd recommend.

>>162583882
A shit weapon that hits like an underpowered rifle spear.

>>162584160
its cool

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>>162583840
If you look at the corpses a lot of them have shackles on. Maybe it's a fashion thing.

I'm looking to build an Old Hunter. Beast Cutter, blunderbuss, the works. Any good names? I'm thinking Old Man Greg.

>>162584478
Well considering micolash was the host of the nightmare, and we get a third of an umbilical cord inside the nightmare, its not a stretch to imagine that mensis gave micolash the umbilical cord.. We see what eating one did to fake iosefka, they probably knew he'd react violently so he had them tie him down so he could still properly perform the ritual.

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>there will never ever be a mensis covenant

>>162584861
Tim

>>162584861
Balthazar

Is the beastcutter good for a strength/arcane/bloodtinge build?

>>162584861

Jan Willem

>>162586020
Bloodtinge? No.

Str and Arc? Absolutely.

How do I get good with Milkweed Parasite? The dashing R1s seem okay and the L2 is good when it works, but every other move seems pretty shite.

>>162587710
dash r1 spam

>>162587710
You sort have to let enemies come to you for other attacks. The tricked R2 has some fierce range on it, as does the the dash R1. Wade in and let enemies walk into your tentacles. It's tricky to get used to, but you'll start getting a feel for the range and stuff. I think it's pretty much exclusively transformed.

>>162584918
What does the Oath rune give you, buff-wise?

>>162588594
More Insight

how the fuck do you kill pasta face
I just want to get the cool cainhurst armor, why is this this hard

>trying to kill cleric beast alone, no items, with an un-upgraded cane at level 10 alone
>running out of healing but scared to go farm them because all of the echoes i've gotten over the last two hours will be gone
this sucks

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Should I restart this build or keep it? I want to use more weapons but on the other hand I want ACB to deal more damage. Am I fucked either way?

>>162590509
Wack its ass, anon. CB is easy to kill.

>>162590637
Just put more into STR/SKL to use more weapons. Don't be afraid to go over 98. ACB is almost never used in PVP anyways.

>>162590659
yeah but now i have to farm healing in between. anyone want to just help me kill this faggot?

>>162590509
>>162591030
>Unironically having a hard time with Cleric Beast

Oil Urns and Molotovs dude, his healthbar melts.

>>162591125
i have no items, no healing and at level 10 with an unupgraded cane. i do 37 damage a hit

>>162590781
But leveling higher won't let me invade bl80s and they're a blast to fight.

>>162591293
You'll have to start again, in that case, unless you're fine with limited weapon options.

>>162591210
>unupgraded cane
Why? You find tons of shards on the way to Cleric and applying the upgrades costs hardly any echoes. Crunch some coldblood or kill a few dudes and upgrade it as far as you can. Also, go talk to Iosefka in the room you started the game in.

>>162591602
i think at this point i'm just going to kill him like this. i've had him down to 10%, just gonna take a bit

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>>162591384
>fixed dungeons incoming
Hopefully I'll have more luck with gems this time around.

i wish your vials and bullets got refilled after coop

>>162592372
This is why weapons like Bloodletter and Chikage are nice, since you can just sudoku and refill.

>>162592372
One of the biggest design blunders of BB desu. The fact that lamps act like Archstones instead of Bonfires is retarded.

man helping people with OoK is funny.

It either goes well, or the host dies immediately.

>end up with something half decent in the creator
>in game she looks like a coked out tranny because of the shaders they put on

FROMMMMMMMMMMM

>>162593162
Post pictures. I want to make a collection of monstrous /bbg/ "waifus".

>>162593282
sorry, i deleted the profile out of pure disgust. maybe the next one

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>>162563090
STR/ARC mad scientist build based of Dr. Steel

>>162573064
>not using cannons and gatling on your blt build
Retard here, is BLT even worth it to buff the cannons? I was under the impression their blt scaling was shit

what is it about this game that makes it so much harder than dark souls? i can breeze through any dark souls game barely touching the healing items but this shit is fucking me up

>>162593935
The fact that you can't turtle, I'd wager?

>>162589505
Oath runes ought to do more and give specific, good buffs

Hunter - greatly improves arc scaling of BoM
Executioner - Wheel deals twice as much Blunt damage
Corruption - increased blood damage with successive attacks
Impurity - crushing vermin gives improved overall damage for a short duration

Mensis - Mensis Cage becomes weapon, fires off reduced damage A Call Beyond for 4 bullets

Choir - bullet cost for tools costing 2 or more bullets reduced by 1

Healing Church - increased damage against beasts

Byrgenwerth - Gain one more Insight per Madman's Knowledge/Great One's Wisdom used

Old Hunters - permamant quickstep

>>162594052
i don't turtle though.

>>162544491
hoo hoo hoo!!

>>162594228
It sounds like he's having such a good time. I almost regret waking him up.

>>162593935
>>162594214
because this game revolves around rollercoaster healthpools

get used to it. you get 20 renewable estus flasks for a reason

>>162593646
% wise the scaling increase isn't great, but 200 extra damage is nothing to be scoffed at. Especially buffed with BMA.

>>162594214
I was assuming, because I can't think of a reason otherwise why DaS would feel so much easier. I mean hell, I turtled the hell out of DaS1, and had such a hard time with Central Yharnam because of it, to the point where I almost regretted picking up the game until I started figuring out the game expected of me

>>162594156
>Hunter - greatly improves arc scaling of BoM
The scaling isn't even the biggest problem. The pitiful arcane base damage is.

>>162593646
I mean, if you're already running a Strength/Bloodtinge build the boost is just nice.

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>>162594156
>Powderkeg - Guns deal twice more damage

>>162594623
i think a big part of it is that i've never really used one-handers and so much of the early game in bb seems to revolve around them. yes, i realize the axe has a two-handed moveset but it doesn't seem to come with any significant damage increase or advantage other than increased range. hyper-armor and poise have probably spoiled me rotten

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>>162594156
PLEASE FROM

>>162594905
What?

>>162595165
I think he meant to reply to >>162594575

>>162595265
i did indeed. my mistake

>>162594905
>>162595339
Well, beating the Cleric Beast lets you buy the Kirkhammer, which has a bit more of a noticeable 2handed mode.

So how come some random Mensis scholar named Micolash is the host of the nightmare, and not the actual baby Mergo? Isn't Mergo the one having/projecting the nightmare?

Who are the hosts of the other two slayable nightmares in this game? Is it Orphan and Gehrman?

Since Micolash died and Mergo's nightmare continued, I'm guessing that a nightmare can live on without a physical host?

And who was Mergo's Wet Nurse? Why did a Great One care so much about sustaining Mergo's nightmare?

>>162595675
KIRKHAMMUH is also one of the most amazing weapons in the entire game.
I cum a little every time I hear the 2H swing sound effects.

>>162593935

I always played Souls without a shield, I find BB the easiest From game by far.

tl;dr, you used a shield in Souls

>>162595750
Because its a bad translation. Micolash isn't actually the host of the nightmare.

I don't get the story of this game.
Why are we killing aliens and shut
Why did we kill Rom
Why did we kill Mergo and the Wet Nurse
Why did we kill anything beyond basic beasts

>>162596295
i literally haven't used a shield since das1. by corollary, i haven't used a one-hander since das1

>>162595750
>having/projecting the nightmare?

The Nightmare is one vast location comprised of various layers, and it isn't an actual dream inside someone's/something's head, it's a term used in reference to H.P. Lovecraft's Dreamlands which it takes great inspiration from. It's more an alien dimension that humans seem to access via sleep or something similar,chances are the first people to see it called it 'nightmarish', or Byrgenwerth were just very poetic.

Host really just means 'manager', he's running the Mensis ritual up there and overseeing proceedings, he isn't creating it.

I'm of the opinion Wet Nurse was maybe Pthumerian in origin, since it's faceless hood resembled the same of the Shadows. But really it could be anything, it's purpose is to sustain Mergo's existence.

>>162596397

Well, you just suck massive dick, then. The iframes are ridiculously generous in BB.

>>162596553
rolling isn't hard, but anything is hard when you do 37 damage a swing

Anyone up for some co-op or CRF dungeon crawling? I feel like doing stuff.

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>>162596397
Something to note, weapons that become two-handed when tricked gain another attack when the gun button is used. Like swinging the Kirkhammer in a wide sweep instead of smashy-smashy

>>162596719
Sure, if you're thinking of FRC spelunking. I've about an hour to spare.

>>162596339
Some scholars one day found huge ruins under the city, and the remains of a prehuman civilization that made contact with transdimensional aliens, Great Ones. In there, they also find old blood which has amazing properties but also turns you into a beast because you shouldn't be pumping alien blood into your veins for fuck's sake.

Two lads in the college of scholars have a falling out over how to evolve humanity, one guy, Laurence, founds the Healing Chirch as a front to experiment and dole out that spooky ass alien blood to the people. Healing Church still carries on the scholar's experiments, too, turning people into alien creatures to contact the Great Ones.

One of the higher sects of the Church, Mensis, are calling down some spooky cosmic shit and it's causing an apocalyptic beast outbreak in the city. You get mysteriously contracted by an outside intelligence to maybe stop it, or you end up stopping by mistake, it's not super clear.

>>162595750
Nightmares/dreams do not have "hosts". Micolash's title is a mistranslation, in Japanese it's more like "Lord of the Nightmare" or "Master of the Nightmare".

>>162596339
Because MP wants Mergo dead, and you're MP's bitch.

>>162596927
This. Once you cause Mergo's death, that is when the dream is done with you and Gherman offers to dismiss you. This seems deliberate.

>>162596858
I'm down, definitely...is what I would say if it didn't turn out that I'm lacking in Yellow Backbone and Bastard of Loran materials.

>>162596483
>It's more an alien dimension that humans seem to access via sleep or something similar,chances are the first people to see it called it 'nightmarish', or Byrgenwerth were just very poetic.

hm.. So is Mergo like a human child from Yharnam, accessing the nightmare from sleep? I thought Mergo had died long ago. Why is the baby so important in the nightmare? Because it is the child of Oedon? What could Mergo have done for your enemies in this game, had you not slain the it?

>sr-guidoBR
which one of you fucks is this

>>162597131
No worries, lad. I can make an FRC dungeon instead.
Isz, Lower Loran, or Ihyll? Pick your poison, friend.

>>162597215
Surprise me.

>>162597132
Mergo had died a long time ago, but death is weird with the great ones. Mergo is dead but still being sustained in the Nightmare.

> What could Mergo have done for your enemies in this game, had you not slain the it?
Fuck up everything. The cult of mensis wanted to create their own Great Ones and bring over Great Ones to their cause. Mergo would have fucked shit up in our reality if he grew up, so MP had to crush that shit.

so gascoigne is the easiest sack of shit in the game, why can't i kill cleric beast

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Why is the Hunter Chief Emblem acquired from the Bath messengers and not from some corpse, presumable from this alleged Hunter Captain?

>>162597387
To make it something you need to buy.

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>haven't played for about 4 months
>been busy with work/other games
>decide to jump back in and mess around for a little bit
>having loads of fun doing co-op and exploring random chalice dungeons
I had almost forgot how fucking fantastic this game is.

you know what, fuck this. i'm ringing my gay little bell of defeat outside cleric beast right now if anyone's feeling up for it

>>162597282
Alright, the glyph is xvuvqtzq. Let's hope we don't run into too many Hemwick Witches now. Password is bbg12

>>162597686
Whereabouts should I ring?

Wich build do I go for if I want to PURGE with the wheel? Full STR?

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>>162597376
get all up in that bitch. Get in close and stay behind it as best you can. A lot of its animations leave it open enough to get in several charged R2s, with will severely damage whatever body part you hit, slowing it down even more. If you've got the pistol instead of the blunderbuss you can even headshot it a couple times to get in a visceral attack. You got this

>>162597667
On my way.

Password ?

>>162598062
don't worry about it, the BR guido helped me out again, it's like he read my mind. CB is dead

>>162597132
Mergo is an infant Great One, formless much like Oedon, and it would seem it was Queen Yharnam's baby since she's around everything to do with it, weeping.

Mensis are using Mergo to beckon, we think, either Kos (who's pretty much totally dead) or the Moon Presence. Either way, they're getting Moon Presence and that's causing the beast scourge to go overdrive. All Great Ones yearn for a surrogate child after all. Maybe they're just like 'Whoever's listening, we got a kid here'.

To be honest, people say Moon Presence wanted Mergo dead but I could never figure out why. Suffice it to say, the actual goals and motives of the Great Ones, who objectively exist on a higher plane to us, are not clear.

If you could add a rune+weapon transformation like beast's embrace or kosiflower, what would it be?

WAKE ME UP

>>162598213
There are basically only beasts and kin though, but I'd like Maria's blood rakuyo mode

>>162598213
Hunter Rune lets us two hand usually one-handed trick weapons

>>162598213
Brainsucker rune that lets you slurp out insight.

>>162597150
>using online ID
What do you want with me

>>162598213
a Great One tramsformation that let's us do freaky space bullshit, plus an attack or two that can inflict frenzy

On to layer 2, then?

Smooth first layer. Want to take down Hotdog on your side, or give SRRC a try?

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>>162598641
thank you

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>>162598426
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>162598748
Either way works for me. Would be more time-consuming to clear on both ends, so unless you've got time to spare we can just do SRRC.

>>162598842
Sounds good, anon.
Bell's ringing now

>>162543208
Anyone got time to help with Blood Starved Beast in chalice dungeons?

Pw: bbg
* BYO antidotes

Is micolash the fujo heartthrob of bloodborne?

Shit, I keep underestimating those beastmen. Ringing again.

>pick up hunter garb in cathedral ward
>put it on
>cancel out of menu and i am 400 feet up in the air with 10% of my HP left and 100% frenzy
>land
>die
literally what just happened to me

>>162599665
You'll find out later.

>>162599745
at first i thought i got invaded or something and didn't notice, but it seems like it's a trap of some kind. that was pretty weird

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>>162597667
>gay little bell of defeat
I lol'd out loud

>>162599826
Remember that when you want to start the dlc after defeating vicar amelia.

That BSB is a jumpy lad. Great layer two, anon. I'll be ringing on the third now. SRRC is working very quickly too, so that's quite a treat.

>>162600131
I think this is the most reliable SRRC has been for quite some time.

>>162599665
Have mercy on the poor bastard!

It's perfectly normal, don't worry.

>>162599665
At some point the game is going to "change," when that happens go back there and you'll see what's up.

Trust me, the "change" will immediately jump out at you, you will not miss it.

That's the end of the chalice, Markus. Good stuff, lad, and thanks for stopping by. I've rarely seen a third layer with a room layout like that.

>>162601484
Any time, buddy. Now I've got another dungeon to explore on my own some time, too.
You get anything good? I got three gems with ATK down.

>>162601585
Happy spelunking, man. Darkbeast dropped a 24.8% Bolt Abyssal, but it's a waste on this skill build.

Loran Darkbeast makes me legitimately angry

>>162601846
At least you are not self mutilating like an anon up there.

it's really cool how the machine gun in old yharnam is actually pretty realistic in that you see the rounds long before you hear them

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I CAN'T BEAT THIS FUCKING DARKFUCK

MY FISTS ARE BLEEDING
MY NECK HAS FUCKING BLOODMARKS FROM ME STRANGULATING
I AM BITING MY SKIN OFF
MY HEAD HURTS FROM ME SLAPPING ON IT HARD

FUCK THIS FUCKING BOSSSSADDAJIFDSalf safök jipadfjioafsdoijasdhiols ahiosfdopij+w epioj#weoueq ufweqäuhofewqihfo eähiweHIOSAPJFFÄPIJaupi ouePIfwhpioFWGOHUÄU

>get to Unseen Village
>delete character

>>162602486
oh boy ffresh copypasta

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>>162602486
Wassat smell?

>be using Saw Spear for early skill character
>upgrade Threaded Can Instead
Is this what masochism feels like?

>>162603040
My first run I used the cane. I thought bloodborne was just way harder than dark soulos.

My second run I used a saw cleaver and could not believe how much easier it was

>>162603040
Threaded cane is a really good weapon against most enemies.

>>162603219
Regardless of which weapon you use, the second run will always be much easier since you already have lots of practice with the mechanics, enemies patterns and knows all traps.

>>162603393
I know mang I have hundreds of hours in souls games.

But the cane doesnt have any reliable way to stun enemies meaning every engagement has to be slow and thought out.

Not to mention it has shit rally potential, saw cleaver you can just go ape shit on most bosses and do fine. The axe too is just insane

>>162603516
You also have superior range and crowd control power with the Threaded Cane's tricked form, so keep those in mind.

>>162603557
Mad props to from to actually making your playstyle have to mimic the weapon in this case.

Threaded cane is all about mainting your humanity, you dont get tons of rally so going ape shit doesn't work. It has long range so as long as you play slow and calculated you can win most engangements.

Everything just feels so much easier with the cleaver, but thats just me

rate the rifle spear as an early game weapon

>>162603732
Honestly, Threaded Cane is pretty much the "hard mode" starting choice. Unlike the Saw Cleaver, Spear or Hunter's Axe it starts off lackluster and takes a fair amount of investment to actually shine. When it does get good though, it gets really good. The fast attack speed really works in its favour.

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>>162599665
Oh don't worry, that gets just about everybody. Welcome to the club

>>162602794
Oh it's just a Snickers bar

>>162603040
Threaded Cane starts off really weak but a couple upgrades and levels into skill and it'll start hitting hard enough. Also keep in mind it has a really low stamina usage so take advantage of that too. It's also more fun, Saw Spear is a fantastic weapon but its move set is a bit bland.

>>162604009
Yeah I totally agree. Don't get me wrong I like the cane and don't regret it as my starting weapon, but yeah its totally the hardest of the 3 to start with.l

>>162603516
>the cane doesnt have any reliable way to stun enemies
Use the untricked form, it's about the same speed as the saw but the damage is lower.

>>162602486
is this the new meme

>>162603972
Pretty good, the tricked charged R2 trivializes a lot of stuff because of how long ranged it is.

what is that item on top of the rafters in old yharnam? the one you have to do that gay little jump to get to? is it worth the trouble?

>>162603972
Moveset is kinda boring
The shots are shit for parry and damage
Charged R2 is very good
It's an okay starting weapon

>>162604228
>>162604009
>>162603234
I'm not saying i regret choosing the Cane or anything, i'm doing a skill character for a reason after all. To be honest, all 3 starting weapons are rather plain, at least the cane is stylish af.

>>162603516
The shitty rally is because the whip mode can hit many enemies with each attack, and cane mode is very fast and can stun lock human sized enemies. And R2 has good stun with the best range in the game.

The threaded cane, especially with fire paper, destroys beast bosses thanks to serrated damage, and it's almost guaranteed to hit weak spots in larger enemies. And it's only one handed, allowing to stun/parry with a blunderbuss when it's not enough.

>>162604009
I agree with that though, but the alternative skill weapons that are on the start and with low skill investments weren't particularly better either, so I ended up sticking with it until the BoM.

>>162604775
>And R2 has good stun with the best range in the game.
better than Untricked HMB? no way senpai

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>>162604470

>>162604716
it's a fucking cosmetic item for your messengers. ree 2bqh