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Darkdrift edition

*unzip katana* >>162158897

>Character Planner
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/

>DARK SOULS 3
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u8Mak1goSv4g73g16XsWV4sJelDQUatWkP2kcO6GVAA/pub

>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v

>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/eNY3su63

>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a

>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3

>Community & Fanart
http://pastebin.com/vVWz9pJm
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First for Dragons!
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Just saying
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what biggest changes do I need to know jumping from ds1 to 2 because i keep dying for some reason. I was doing fine in 1
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Huuuuur duuuur me go set myself on fire~
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>>162224278
Level ADP until your AGL is 99 to have decent iframes
Disable double clicking if you're using a mouse
You'll figure out the rest
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>>162224125
>das1 hard leather had no poise except for the helmet
damn shame
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>>162224125
3's face shows he means business
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>>162224443
3 looks like he has a tiny baby head in a helmet way too big for him
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>>162224125
Is it just me or from left to right does your character gets more depressed and gritty?
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Some men just want to watch the world burn...
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they better deliver with the last DLC and I sure hope it's not about some inconsequential bullshit again
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Why are BB fans so cringey?
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>Try to edit a new character's hair
>Edit screen freezes
>Save changes, exit, continue editing
>Game fucking crashes
What the hell keeps causing this for me?
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>>162224413
>das1 hard leather helmet takes more regular titanite than any other armor
lore?
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Want to try twinking but don't feel like using the more popular stuff, also want to keep a ninja theme to it for fun, inflicting poison with claws/daggers and then finishing off with Uchi. Do I keep the raw infusion on the uchi or do I go for something else?
How shit is this idea?
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>>162224278

The basic movement is one of the biggest differences, your character has momentum and can't pivot. Same with weapons, you can't manually aim your swings like in DaS. Then there are things that are stat/equipment based now instead of skill based: the most important changes are with i-frames and parrying. Level up ADP to get a good roll, parrying is done with parry shield, it's pointless to use anything else.
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>>162224598

>Why are Souls fans so cringey?
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Its really weird seeing a character made for having a beard without the beard
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>>162224598
>Why are fans so cringey?
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>>162224778
>you can't manually aim your swings like in DaS
That's just plain wrong.
>having to actually predict with parries is less "skill-based" than just pressing it when you get hit
Miyazaki drones are truly the scum of the earth.
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gwyndobucci
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Name 1 (ONE) level as good as the Cathedral in DS3
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>>162224778
>you can't manually aim your swings like in DaS
What did he meme by this?
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>>162225029

He doesn't have one anymore

https://youtu.be/U1cnRd3Qabk?t=17
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>>162224598
It is funny how someone getting really interested and excited is so commonly seen as cringey. Not even just in Souls or video games, but in general.
It's also funny how one screencap of one post represents an entire group of people as long as it's convenient for you and reinforces your beliefs.
FUNNY
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>>162224547
>they better deliver with the last DLC
>implying miyazaki isn't ready to move on
A guess but I'm assuming they wanted to make a new IP from the beginning, FROM was dragged into making more sequels by Bandai and they want to become independent or never contract them again. BB being funded by Sony turned out to be fresh from groundwork and you can see how much care and effort were put in the designs. The following year, we get DS3 and plenty of complaints from fans that half of the ideas were borrowed from previous titles and assets were directly taken from them and imported to the game. Miyazaki literally said the DLC is only a test dump for new ideas, he's done with the story and he's done with the series. We're not getting any answers and will most likely get something similar to AoA plotwise. You can bet your money we're seeing Lilianne and the rest of the sable church and a ""new"" recycled setting.
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>>162224950
>you can't manually aim your swings like in DaS
>That's just plain wrong.
he is right, you can barely pivot 45° between 2 UGS R1s
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>>162225193
Miyazaki already said the last DLC is going to bring everything full circle.
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>>162225301
That only means they're going to recycle oolacile assets and textures
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>>162225494
Source?
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>>162225273
REEEE FUCKING B TEAM
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>>162225273
>>162225621
btfo
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Suppose Im 12 poise under the breakpoint for the Great Club. How badly does that hurt me? What does that realistically mean? I cant trade into UGS or other UGH without my poise breaking? Maybe Great Hammers too?
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>>162225621
>let me wait one second after the first R1
yeah, no
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>>162225519
Leaked beta is just oolacile with a brown filter
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>>162226067
which game?
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>>162226371
DaS3. I know the breakpoint is 25 poise, but how important is that against Greatswords and bigger?
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Will dried fingers let you be invaded even if you've defeated the boss in that area already?
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>getting fanmail because dude is salty about losing a 1v2
>as soon as he loses the arguement he goes to classic lol you're a kid your life sucks and spellchecking
>I write youre instead of you're cause on console can't bother to swap keyboards just for an apostrophe
>he mixes up write and right and uses you're instead of your and then has an autistic meltdown when I call him out on it
I love invading
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First time playong Demon's souls. Whats the deal with all the people killing themselves in the nexus?
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>>162226505
No
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>>162226505
No.
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>>162226538
it's to get back in soul form so you can't be invaded
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>>162226067
If you're using a weapon with lots of hyper armor trying to out-trade other hyper weapons is the probably the worst tactic you can use.

Depending on the situation you're better off utilising your moveset or range rather than just blatantly trying to trade. Another solid choice is rolling through all their attacks and baiting them into running out of stamina and punishing like that when they can't roll away.
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>>162226527
>mfw I got my first fanmail
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>pretend to afk
>host and phantom come out of hiding
>immediately parry phantom when he hits me and oneshot him
>host panics and sprint rolls, gets a weird angle on a rock and rolls sideways off the ravine in US to his death
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>>162226452
against greatswords, pretty important since they're the only big weapons you can poise through on reaction
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>>162226193
I am Tin Can Tarkus and I can say: It is different for different weapons. Horizontal swinging weapons seem to have more freedom than vertically slamming ones.
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>>162226383
>majula at night time instead of day time
That would've been better. Bright HUBs aren't Souls-like, it's just too illuminating and relaxing that you forget the world is in a terrible mess. It does give the idea that the HUB is a place to rest but having it dark at night would've been better. The only things that would brighten the place at night would be the bonfire and places where npcs were in. It stands out more and makes you drawn to them, would have been a neat touch if it felt like pic related. Instead, every time we face the monument on the right of the blacksmith house the sun gives your eyes radiation cancer.
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>>162226193
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>>162226834
Different but still shitty overall
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>>162226193
>>162226986
btfo
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>>162226986

top kek
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>>162226986
>mouse and keyboard
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>>162226986
Wait who the fuck is holding the camera? Is it in your mouth?
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What's this about family-sharing workaround, is this why I'm never summoned as a Blue?
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>>162226834

>>162225083
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>>162226538
Demon's Souls has something called World Tendency. It turns towards white when you do things like kill bosses, and turns towards black when you die in a world in human form, among other things. White tendency makes the game easier, black makes it harder.
People typically go for white tendency, so to prevent a death in a world in human form, they suicide in the Nexus, which doesn't affect world tendency.
World Tendency is actually even more convoluted than this, but that's the basics.
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>>162226986
not even a full 90°
I dont give a fuck anyway, all I know is that I couldn't cover my back against bs fishers when I could before
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>>162227152
Fish cup is best tripod
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>>162227375
Oh, so you were just inventing an excuse for being terrible at the game
That explains everything, doesn't it
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>>162227375
That goalpost is pretty fast
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>>162227497
if you say so, das2babby
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>>162225063
>good
>able to skip most of it

sure bud
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pulled my ps3 to check again, can pivot about 60°
don't know what you did to your mouse sensitivity or whatever
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>>162227535
How is he moving the goal post? He was saying you barely made it past 45 right from the start. Making it past 90 would have proven him wrong.
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Literally just beat a 3 man gank by myself at SL36 with a fucking 2 handed wolf knight's greatshield. It took over 10 minutes. I can't upload a 10 minute webm.

I'm done. I'm fucking done. I have reached the pinnacle of dark souls 3 PvP. Game over man. Game over.
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>>162228302
ah, so it was you all along.

As expected. Never take your trip off ever again.
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another shitty thing I just noticed again in das2, for some weapon classes like reapers you're literally locked in your first R1's direction for the followup, lel
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>>162228487
Wasn't me you were arguing with. I just saw your BS and decided to call you on it.
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>>162228302
Get the fuck out of here shitstain.
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>>162228679
Hey retard, he said "it can't move more than 45 degrees"

Now he's saying it doesn't move more than 90

Fucking retarded
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>almost 2017
>people still responding to luci posts

Literally just don't reply. Never reply. Better yet filter him but at least don't reply to him.
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>>162228870
No, he literally typed "barely pivot 45°." That means just more than 45. 90 would have proven him wrong because "barely" is subjective, but it is reasonable to assume "double something" would be more than "barely something."
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>>162228719
>that collage
>the state of neo-/dsg/
thanks god it'll be over soon
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What's the most forgettable boss in the souls series? My vote goes to pic related.
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>>162229241
Except it does go to 90 degrees. Stop defending retards you fucking retard.
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Whats the easiest game to beat SL1

Whats the hardest game to beat SL1

And whats the most fun game to beat SL1

Lets include bloodborne in this, whatever the sl1 equivalent is for that game
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>>162229241
You can't roll through wrath of the gods.
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Is SL80 the breaking point before PVP starts getting shitty?
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>>162229371
>you fight this nigger FOUR TIMES
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>>162229414
Whoa man watch out, that's the guy that showed everyone the claymore
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>>162229395
except it doesn't in your webm, you're clearly not facing the camera after the second R1
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>>162229371
He was a boss?
>>162229403
Pretty sure bloodborne is BL4
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>people still replying to luci posts

really nigga?
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>>162229505
when's the fourth?
>tutortial
>coming back to asylum
>fire sage

Unless I'm totally missing something
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>>162229371
prowling magus, when I try to remember das2's bosses I always forget it
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>>162229636
ds3
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>>162229590
>can see the front of havel's helm
>clearly not facing the camera
you feeling okay there mate
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>>162229403
Slv4 is the equivalent in BB.

DaS2 is probably the easiest because of all the cheese, followed by DeS.

BB was probably the hardest unless you grind for gems constantly, then it is pretty easy.
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>>162229590
That's not my webm, but

>not facing facing the camera
>90 degrees from forward is facing the camera
>360 degrees is a full circle but 90 degrees is apparently backwards

Are you seriously this dumb? Facing the camera is ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY DEGREES
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>tfw caused das2 shitposting
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>>162229636
probably thinking of taurus demon, the one where you just drop attack
>>162229667
who?
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>>162229784
>that pic
JoJo reference?
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>>162229403
>easiest
assuming you aren't cheesing everything

DS1 because reinforced club/ Gravelord/Black knight halberd

>hardest
Probably BloodBorne if you include the DLC.

>fun
Probably Dark Souls 1
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>>162229687
>implying iron king is the same fight
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>>162229830
this, reinforced + chaos is endgame damage
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>>162229789
that thing
>>162229753
I should have used radians, my bad
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>>162230015
That really should not have been called a boss. It's just pathetic.
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>>162229590
>>162229753
for a second i thought no one was going to point out this, thank you based anon
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>>162229939
>iron king
>ds3
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>>162229830
>gravelord sword/bkh at sl1
?
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>>162226575
Oh damn. Thanks.
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>>162230147
tbf all soulsborne games have a fight like that, phalanx, deacons of the deep, celestial emissary, nito and his skeleton crew
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>>162230649
>iron king
FUCK I meant demon king.
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>>162230659
oops got mixed up weapon selection for low level runs not necessarily sl1 runs

best you get at sl1 is based reinforced club
handaxe and battle axe aren't too bad though
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>>162230739
>phalanx
Excusable because of it being the first real boss

>deacons of the deep
If you screw around they can fuck you over, plus, you would be surprised how many hosts could not figure out, "hit the glowy one."

>celestial emissary
I kind of enjoyed that one.

>nito and his skeleton crew
He pushed people shit in on a regular basis.
>take a little sippy
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What does stability do?
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>>162231212
makes you stable
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>>162231212
Reduces the amount of stamina it takes to block attacks.
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>>162230939
>If you screw around they can fuck you over
what is every boss
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Let me hug you !
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>>162230939
>>162231419
also i think even prowling magus can probably fuck you harder than deacons if you fuck up
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>>162231815
I mean I wasted a lot of time in the Deacons fight and it just kick up a dark mist that killed me just by touching it, and I couldn't get away from it. It covered the whole room. I only ever saw it happen once.
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>>162223961
So does the Season Pass give you the DLC's for free or does it give them at a "discounted price"?
I'm hearing different things from different places here.
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>>162224732
>how shit is this idea?
>poison
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>>162232384
If you have it you can download the DLCs at no cost but it costs almost as much as the DLCs would if you bought them separately, so it's a group purchase discount.
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>>162224732
Poison is fine, use poison resin sell swords and ninja garb. I used to bleed or poison reliably at sl 50 with them
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>>162225180
Anyone who points to nerdy enthusiasm and calls it cringe is a fucking newfag.
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I CANT PARRY SHIT IN PVP
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>>162229371
Covetous demon.

Though if we're talking about forgettable bosses in the sense that every time I play through I forget that boss exists, it's probably either Ceaseless Discharge or the centipede. I can't even remember the lava centipede's actual fucking name, so I'm going to give it to that one.
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newbie here

can you still get backstabbed if you have a shield on your back? what about greatshields?
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>>162233850
yes and yes
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>>162233938
that makes no sense, but okay
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>>162234041
>that makes no sense
welcome to the club
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>>162233850
You can also bleed people out who are covered head to toe in metal armor.
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Oh fuck the trees are alive
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WHY CANT I PARRY BIG SWORDS IN PVP I FUCKING SUCK BALLS
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>>162233442
>small round shield of your choice
>determine latency before attempting because sometimes it's bad enough that it's damn near impossible
>know what cannot be parried
>easiest parry is any rolling attack
>l1 as their head comes out of the roll is almost guaranteed

Other than that it's really just up to you to learn the timings and pick your moments
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>>162234328
I swear to Christ if you are trying to parry 2h ultras you deserve every stupid death that you get
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>>162234638
i wont deny that i died to a few black knights trying this
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also is there no poise in this game i keep getting staggered by the weakest shit
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>>162235232
It's not the same,. It serves as a stat benefitting the HA mechanic.

Just abuse infinite rolls, high stability medium shields, or consider using a gs/ultra weap/halberd
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>>162225273
UGS are actually one of a few weapon types that can pivot more than 45%
Doesn't help them, they are still garbage in ds2 though.
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>>162229636
smuph
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>>162236476
he's not an asylum clone
>>162224732
if you want to keep the poison as pressure, just make it raw for low levels and buff it with some resin. if you care about ticking the poison, you can make the uchi poison and healbuff it with rotten pine
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Im replaying dark souls and my pike+4 deals fucking peanuts to enemies.

Does every enemy have high resistance to thrust or what?
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>>162237756
are you using the running attack a lot? that's terrible unless you use it to unload buffs. because the attack is split into many instances and each instance is resisted separately, you deal much less damage than you would if you dealt it all at once. same reason split damage is kinda bad
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>>162237756
spears have low-ish damage
thats just how it is
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>>162237756

The damage of a single attack is low, but your attacks are fast and so they build up damage fast too.
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>>162236226
UGS are all about mindgames. Fume Sword, Raw Lost Sinner's Sword (min-max), and Greatsword are all good PvP weapons.

The greatsword is so common that most people can roll-backstab it, but it's still capable of sweeping enemies.

LSS only works at low SM (where min-maxing is worth it) but it has that infinite R1 combo if you back them up against a wall and have enough stamina. Raw LSS gives you a 460 AR weapon at only 31 level investment. If you count the additional 16 points into weight cap you need, greatsword takes 32 points to wield and at that point is doing less damage.

Fume Sword is highly situational and you're probably better off using a parry shield + claymore than relying on it's special attacks for countering.

They become more useless at higher SM because
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>>162238294
*They become more useless at higher SM because instead of 2-3 shotting enemies everyone has 2000+ HP and you have to land multiple combos, which is a lot harder to do. Higher SM always favors trading and meta builds.
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>>162237756
>>162238142
Thrust attacks get a counter damage bonus, which is one of the reasons why spears are so weak in DS1. You get 20% more damage (68% with leo ring) if you hit an enemy during their windup/attack phase. Try it out.
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>>162238442
is there anywhere i can see how much counter each weapon has or is it a flat 20% across the board?
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so during my 2nd playthrough of ds1 i messed a lot with the red dragon at the undead burg bridge, trying to chop off its tail and afterwards kill it and noticed some really bullshit things that have no explanation

sometimes the dragon will just relentlessly start comboing flying up and burning the entire bridge, permanently stunning you until death. it won't sit down even for a second, just land and instantly fly up and breath fire again

its fire breath will occasionally just decide to fucking one hit KO you, just entirely random when it does this, can happen during any sort of fire breath move it does. depletes entire health bar instead of doing a little damage that it usually does

you can chop off the dragons tail, have it fly away and when you return the dragon has the tail again.. what? dragon regenerate entire body parts, that's a lore thing now?

the first encounter with the dragon after killing the taurus demon boss, it can decide when to fly and breath fire entirely at random.. either before you walk onto the bridge, when you just exit the door and go near it can fly (lucky first time players that this happens to) and to unlucky players it can for whatever reason wait until you are nearly at the middle part of the bridge to start flying and one shotting players. there is literally no way to trigger it to fly if this happens and only option is to get killed, unless i missed something

hardest boss in the game when you think about it
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Being a child is liking longswords

Being an adult is when you realize broadswords are better
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>>162239306

Hellkite's damage is usually based on what part of the bridge you're standing on. He does more damage near the stairs. The fight is not hard, all you need to do is run back to the stairs after a few hits, which makes it only tedious. This is why you stand in the secret spot to make the fight faster. After Taurus, Hellkite will come as soon as you step on the bridge and will breathe fire only once. If you're full HP you'll probably survive this.
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>just picked up Dark Souls a week ago, never played it
>having a real fun time
>get to The Catacombs and all of these skeltals keep respawning and shitting down my neck

I got to the first bonfire and killed the first necromancer, but afterwards it's a bit much. Are there any ways to keep the skeletons dead without killing the necromancer?

I am trying not to look online for tips, but this is really annoying me, and I figure asking here isn't as bad as outright searching for the answer
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>>162239846
You need a divine weapon. Go to Darkroot Garden and kill the Moonlight Butterfly there.
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>>162239712
i don't like how the animation resets almost immediately in 0:02 but in general it looks amazing. what other cut movesets are there (i remember you showed bks and bkh movesets from 1) and how do we get them?
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>>162239729
wow, what is that bullshit?

when i was trying to chop the tail i would wait in the middle until it decided to fly down and stand on the bridge, where it is standing in your webm, and while chopping the tail it would start doing what it is doing in your webm, but i would be pinned down and repeatedly fall down until i got toasted to death
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>>162239947

I already killed that boss because the upper level of the Catacombs seemed too challenging. Did the moth have a % chance to drop a divine weapon?
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>>162239846
you need a divine weapon to stop them. if you have some fai, you can grab the ASS from the valley of drakes. it's not amazing but if you can lasthit them with the ASS, they will stay down. alternatively, you can kick them down a cliff. they'll reassemble, but they wont be able to reach you
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>>162239846
for real just force yourself through or figure it out yourself even if it's hard. if you can't rush past the skeletal warriors and find the necromancers, then go out of the catacombs and go to other areas of the game!
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>>162240254
No, the Divine Ember at the top of the tower after it would let you make divine weapons.
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>>162240287
>>162240321
>>162240350

Thanks for the tips, I will try and craft the divine weapon, then
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Does someone want to help me kill dancer?

pass is #buildit if anyone wants to give it a go with me/
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>>162240669
also I only have one ember so if someone could drop me some you'd be doing me a huge favor
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damn theres so much shit to do in ds2
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>>162240747
if anyone sees this I ended up going to bed, I'll probably do it on my own tomorrow.
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>>162241796
keyword
shit
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does anyone know if reshade gets you banned?

I have a 1080 and I'm running das3 at 4k 60fps with still plenty of room, I'd like to smash it with SMAA and some subtle filtering, but I remember people got banned doing this shit in das2
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>>162242835

No and you didn't get banned for it in DaS2.
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>>162242891
I need proofs before I go ahead with this
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>>162242943

I've got proof for you right here *unzips dick*
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>tfw no chalice dungeons equivalency in das3
>tfw no special versions of pre-existing weapons with slight scaling or other statistical differences contained within the dungeons
>tfw no paired crossbow + saw clever -reseblembling weapon with quickstep weaponart
>tfw no infinitely renewable source of titanite slabs without going to artifical difficulty mode +1-7 contained within the dungeons
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Loo Cee Furry
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>>162241796
quantity over quality
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>>162242835
reshade is ok to use in ds3
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artificial
emotions
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>>162243376
Maybe it's just Stockholm syndrome but i really miss some aspects of chalice dungeon.
Not a single other fromsoft game has such an active and fun highlevel coop where both you and host were fucked if a single enemy attack connected with you.
If only SRRC invasions didn't sucked ass.
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>there will never be a game as good as and like ds1
>never going to have experience and feels like first blind playthrough ds1 gave
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no duel wielding
no actual left hand weapon movesets
no post-boss area invasions
no sin
shit poison
shit poise
shit backstabs
shit invasions
zero cost stamina rolls
unpunishable estus
15 non-gimmick bosses, 5 of those optional
garbage infusion system(DUDE REFINED LMAO)
5 original pyromancies
5 original miracles
4(four!) hexes
90% of weapons in class share the same moveset
shotels don't pierce shields
reapers dont pierce shields
no shrug gesture

wew lad

can dlc 2 even fix this game?
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>>162244932

no
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>>162244932
no_
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>>162242835
That screenshot just looks like the game got bloodborned to hell and would give you a headache from looking at it for too long
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ds1>ds2dlc>ds3>ds2
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What's your favourite show to give dead players?
>inb4 Point Down

I like to run into closest corner or crevace and Curl Up.
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>>162245079
DaS3 is absolute garbage so you're wrong.
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>>162245162
Quick pressing L1 two-handed
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>>162244643
>wasting all those bullets
TRIGGERED
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>>162238374
They actually become better at high SM because you get stamina and can powerstance them.
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ask someone who is about to replay sotfs anything
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>>162245913
why
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>>162245930
the bone fist gives me an erection
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>>162245913
>>>/r/eddit
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>>162245913
Are eggs food or ingredients?
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>>162245162
>playing the game in a normal way became boring
>cosplay as normal enemies like lothric/black knight and untrue dark ring
>invade as mad phantom
>take positions of enemies I'm cosplaying as
>after kill, equip black leather armor, reveal bald head and initiate squat

when I did my catharina-patches cosplay for cathedral invasions, I went with unequipping the helmet and alternating between 'hey' and 'welcome'
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>>162245913

Why aren't you playing DSIII like a good goy
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>>162246040
its like cheese
they can be eaten on their own but are best when theyre on something else
>>162246061
because the dlc came out and im going to wait for inevitable all-in-one rerelease next year
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how to fix ds2:

remove the intro and beginning thing the grannies
character creation screen right away and character wakes up in that gender switch coffin or a boat there with no guide
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>>162246056
you guys ever notice how FUCKING MASSIVE that dragon is? its a shame the biggest dragon is a horrible fight
man, i wish kalameet was bigger, he was the coolest
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so I've gotten 5 dark sigils from Yoel and Yuria hasn't shown up

is it because I killed Anri for fashion?
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How do I get summoned for co-op in Anor Londo in DaS1? Do most people just summon help because they're too casual for Turner and Hooch, or do they summon at the first bonfire because they're too lazy to even explore the area on their own?
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>>162245987
>not only found in last DLC, but halfway through it
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>>162246858
Can't you do the DLC in any order?
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>>162246659
Yes, you killed Anri before Yuria showed up so now she's gone for the rest of your game cycle.
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>>162247004
Ivory still forces you to either grind up a 1m souls or kill 4 shitlord.
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>>162247050
well fug

anyone got a spare Untrue Dark Ring and Hand to pass on then? PC, level 20 or so, weapon level +3

I have fuckall to give you apart from my appreciation
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>>162245416
>not spending the bullets to make a point
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>>162247230
Just use CE, seriously. If you ask someone to give you a copy it'll probably be an edited version anyway. You'd be doing yourself a favor by learning how to do it yourself.
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>>162247391
I have an aversion to cheating myself

also I'd rather not get bunned because of me being a total dickwad
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>>162247175
in sotfs you also need to go to the actual castle
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>>162247456
You won't get banned.
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>>162247610
>ds1
>dualwielding
what did he fucking expect?
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>>162247456
Do it offline and nothing will happen
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>>162247664
I used the demon's spear in my offhand all the time in DS1
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I have a question about the Dark Souls community as a whole. We all know that a lot of people are like "lmao guys this game is so hard prepare to die xD", but I'm wondering how often they actually die.
Let's say you die to a boss 5 times, would you consider that boss hard? How often did you die to O&S, for example?
I'm just asking because I started this series coming off Ys games so I never understood why people think dying a few times is so hardcore
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>>162247601
jesus fuck i've heard that SOTFS only made the game worse but this is ridiculous
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>tfw no third person shooter souls
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>>162247917
it's not that much longer, just past the sentinels. but when you're rushing for a weapon, every bit counts
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do they still have that glitch in 2 and 3 where using a boss soul item halfway through an animation will give you the souls but not deplete the item?
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>>162248016
howdy grandpa, niceh aving you back in the thread
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>>162226383
what is this wizardry

>>162226953
firelink at night would be better too
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>>162248230
The games came out on Steam bro, obviously there's always people like me buying it years later for cheap
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>>162248334
you missed out on the unparriable rolling r1 of the astora greatsword
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>>162248547
Oh yeah it definitely sucks not seeing the unpatched hilarities of early PvP
I hear the Zweihander was equally stupid once upon a time
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>>162248586
uhh. well not really. it does consume about 16% less stamina than other UGS at the cost of only 40 AR while having a much better moveset and weapon art than most.
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>>162248726
>weapon art
Were we not talking about DaS1 just now?
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>>162248756
n-no

were you?
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activate bass cannon
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>>162248903
Haha no of course not, that would be silly, right?
But seriously, because I talked about getting into the series late I just assumed we were talking about 1 now
So, do 2 and 3 still have the glitch or not?
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>>162248978
they dont, buy why would you want to cheat in a video game, famygdala
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>>162249092
Cause I'm too lazy to kill 10 enemies when I'm just missing some souls
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>someone tries trading against my estoc + leo ring
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>>162244932
shotels do pierce shields tho
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>>162247969
I'm crossing my fingers the next From game will be Cyberpunk Souls.
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>>162250118
Mecha Souls
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>>162250313
Isnt that what armored boring is?
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>>162249645
How many layers of damage are you getting in that trade my dude
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>>162248978
Three had the glitch in early versions, but it got patched out.
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>>162248978
I don't know what glitch you are talking about, but 3 has a consumable soul duping glitch, that basically lets you use a boss soul infinitely without wasting the item. It's quite slow to do though
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>>162250515
hmmm, about 2-3
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>>162250638
>I don't know what glitch you are talking about
>have your character do any animation (for example, an attack)
>once you're more than halfway through the animation, use the item
>open menu before the animation finishes
>use any item in your inventory
>game will show you the confirmation box for the item you used during the aniamtion
>if you press yes, it will use it without depleting it (instead depleting the item you picked in your inventory)
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>>162245162
>point down
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>>162245162
The "My Thanks!" gesture
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>>162224125
>first game still has the best environment textures as well
Wow.
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>>162251936
Pic unrelated?
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>>162245162
Just the regular bow. Wave if the opponent decided to do something whacky.
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>>162251936
>first game ran at single digit fps
fixed that
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>>162251972
If you look at the ground, you'll notice that DS1 has much more detail than the DS3 cap. Although it might be possible that DS3 is not maxed out.

In the picture DS2 appears to have better quality textures, but overall DS2 textures are of horrible quality.
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What does Estus taste like?
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>>162252170
Whatever you think it tastes like, it's a videogame.
But it has to taste like shit given how Oscar was dying and he rather croaked than took a sippy of Estus.
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>>162252170
Salty bags of milk coins.

Or the taste of smoke in liquid form.
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>>162252170
like the quality of the series
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>>162252170
Like orange juice
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>>162224778
>manually aim your swings like in DaS
depends on what you mean by that
You can turn a bunch but it feels different from ds1, instead of aiming the swing in the direction of the stick, putting the stick to one side or the other sort of just turns rotation in that direction "on" and you'll rotate towards the stick at a speed proportional to how far off your current direction it is. So if I want to turn 90 degrees I'll actually put the stick almost backwards so that it thinks I want to whip around 180, but I'll release it when it's halfway one turning. It's really shitty but you can turn plenty in ds2. If by "manual aim" you meant "actually point your swings in the direction you're aiming though, yeah, ds2 doesn't want to let you do that, and it is kinda shitty feeling.

>>162226834
You can turn a fair bit with crypt BS iirc.
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>>162224125
god 3 is such a piece of shit in every aspect
>>
I like the idea of the Estus if you using a helmet with a visor/slits in it, just slam the bottle into your helmet and just drink the drops that make it down through. Real chosen one material.
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>>162252170
Like blood and ethanol, but I think I taste ethanol differently from most people.
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>>162225273
More importantly, you can't redirect rolling R1 freely in DaS2.
That's why rolling attacks are so harmless in the game.
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>>162252106
And if you look at the wall you'll notice a smeary mess. DS1 does have some unreasonably high res textures, for god knows what reason since it only runs at 720p, but it's inconsistent as fuck. Some things looks great, some things look like shit.
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>>162252484
If you'll ever do texture mapping you'll start to understand why.

The thing is, SOTFS and Dark Souls III had significantly more memory to use for textures but they barely look any better.
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>>162252106
>you'll notice that DS1 has much more detail than the DS3 cap
because it's in an area that contains more details by design retard

I could go outside in real life and compare a mossy tile I'd found in the forest to a clean one off my bathroom floor and tell you the former has more detail, that doesn't mean my bathroom is low quality textures
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>>162252446
that's a lie
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>>162252631
That's accurate.
Try doing 180 R1. You can't do it without delaying the attack.
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>>162252693
>You can't do it without delaying the attack.
So you can do after all by delaying the attack..
Stop being a dipshit.
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>>162252170
Probably like warm vapor, not much.

The pleasant part comes from feeling the Estus magically heal your body.
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>>162252097
DSFixed that
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>>162252870
>modding can make a game look better
no shit
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>>162252818
>b-b-b-b-b-but
No, it doesn't combo.
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>>162252927
It also makes it run better and reduce input lag.
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>>162252927
DSFix makes the FPS better withou changing visuals
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>>162252097
>first game ran at single digit fps
Honestly the only area I ever had framedrops in ds1 was the enterance to the abyss underneath oolacile in the DLC, right after that bonfire you reach after the chained prisoner, as you approach a crystal lizard. Never had a drop in blighttown.
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>invading as Mound Maker while farming Vertebra Shackles in Catacombs
>invade some guy with white and red phantoms in his world
>kill the white with the help of red, kill the red with the help of host
>host waves me goodbye
>place white Mound Maker sign
>he summons me several times, the madman!
>fight whites, reds, blues and the host for total 7 shackles
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>>162252170
All we know is that it's warm. I like to think it tastes like my mom's chicken soup, because that reminds me of home. The undead are attracted to estus because they need something that reminds them of the bonfires and where they came from.
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I don't think I've ever seen a Tripfag as stupid and universally hated as Lucifer. Does he have a single redeeming characteristic?
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>>162252942
It seems you are bad at timing your inputs.
You really must enjoy DaS3 since you're just as bad as the game is.
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Reminder that dsg players must always employ the most advanced of pvp techniques
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>>162253348
>Does he have a single redeeming characteristic?

He's not here right now.
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>>162253361
ravioli ravioli, give me the formuoli
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>>162253348
he understands that ds2 is shit
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>>162240459
pssst divine halberd

youll know why if you use it
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>>162247903
>Let's say you die to a boss 5 times, would you consider that boss hard?
A boss is only hard if you die to it at least a dozen times I'd say. But people aren't used to any kind of challenge anymore.
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>>162253348
I genuinely don't understand how you dense niggers still do not understand how to deal with tripfags after being on this website for almost a decade. Just stop interacting with them. Stop mentioning their names. Stop replying to their posts. Just STOP.
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>>162253357
>argument is nothing but insults
DaS2fags
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Is something wrong with From's servers or something now?

This is the third time I've gotten this in a row now after putting my sign down.
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>tfw will never have a parry tool where you can press l1 to preform the right hand's weaponart
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>>162253526
>guy popping in with the l1 jump attack
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>>162253526
>no small leather shield
>no exile mask
is he even trying?
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>>162253510
Put your trip back on Lucy
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>>162253838
yes, servers are shitting themselves at the moment, it seems
same in both archdragon peak and ariandel while trying to invade
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>>162253821
Who the fuck do you think makes those posts in the first place? It's basically "haha I know tripfags are bad, but everyone say one good thing about this guy"
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>>162253834
Go back to your savespace on reddit.
Oh right they actually like DaS2 and your feels are insulted by that.
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>>162253949
>had the option to say this to >>162253348, who very clearly actually is lucifer
>instead decided to defend ds2

>>162254063
>telling someone who had just used the word fag that they need a safe space
>telling someone that they need a safe space simply because they prefer substance over vanity
reminder that liking ds2 is just a reddit thing from this point onwards
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Anybody wanna help me take out Rotted Greatwood on a new character? Playing on PC and I'm already at the boss door.

Its not that he's harder on my own, his attacks are just incredibly tedious to wait for and I'd like to get him over with fast. I'm a sunbro so there's a medal in it for you too.

I can wait a little while for someone to get there.
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>>162252446
And at the same time it made dash attacks ridiculously overpowered compared to anything else, thanks to which the only thing you would see on arena from ds2 players is trying to passively bait you into their WDs.
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>>162254063
>High quality posts, subscribe to das2salt @ youtube for more!
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>>162254147
t.lucy
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>>162254284
what's the password?
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>>162253361
The backstabs are so stupid.

Thank god they never happen.
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What is the most offending thing you can do to someone after they lost ? I feel like point down isn't what it used to be, and there is no decapitate gesture.
What do ?
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>>162253526
>585
Am I the only one who thinks BS damage shouldn't be lower than parry damage because it's so much easier to get a parry?
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>>162254404
Throw a dung pie at where they died
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>>162254284
I'll bring a SL20 twink, that okay?
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>>162254404
throw shit at them
summon their phantoms if they had any and gift them shit as well
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>>162252170
smokey oak aged bourbon at coffee temperatures
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>>162254487
noice
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>>162254365
dsg

I'll be ready in about 15 minutes. Forking down some leftover chinese first so I don't die.

>>162254468
I don't mind, the goal is just to annihilate treebro as fast as possible. Whats your character's name?
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>>162254487
If he didn't recognize you or didn't care enough then he would be really confused right now.
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>>162254562
Minimus
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>>162254584
this faggot was repeatedly summoned by an even bigger faggot who ganked at the entrance of archives and i've killed him a shitton of times
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>>162254316
>it made dash attacks ridiculously overpowered compared to anything else
Let me guess you also had problems with punishing heals, because a low damage one hit attack couldn't outdamage the regen.
DaStards are fucking retarded
>>
>>162254682
If it was up to me, I would've gone through the level and then bc him near the end.
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>>162254705
WDs are objectively the safest form of input possible in DS2.
It's cute to see no counter arguments from you, just insults.
Keep fighting the good fight anon.
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>>162254705
Not him but I know I trolled a shitload of players with heals because they just didn't see that coming.
It was so cheap.
>>
Im making a hybrid build thatll be able to make good use of crystal and dark infusions.

That being said, is magic damage still the most effective elemental from a pvp perspective in das3? I know magic resistance scales with int, but what does dark resistance scale with?
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>>162254883
>pulling great heal excerpt on arena right in a face of my opponent or setting up warmth just to annoy yet another superpassive WD spamming trash
The only form of fun i remember on DS2's arena.
>>
Opps that didn't go so well for me but I guess you got the boss down.
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>>162254929
Dark scales with faith.
Magic and dark damage are the least resisted forms of damage in pvp, dark is usually resisted a bit more because people with supplemental miracles ain't unheard of, but dark infused weapons have higher damage output.
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Thanks for the help guys.

Hope you got the boss ping before you vanished Minimus.
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>>162254862
>WDs are objectively the safest form of input possible in DS2.
In some honoraburu duel maybe, but if healing or even turtling is involved that out of range spinning you heard about won't do shit.
You know nothing about the game you blindly shit talk erryday around here. Just get off it.
>>
Why does Miyazaki hate Dark so much? Because of (((Frampt)))?
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>>162255092
>faith

I dont know why this wasnt an obvious assumption on my part. Thanks chief
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>>162255257
>In some honoraburu duel maybe
Are you implying that any other forms of DS2 pvp existed?
>turtling is involved
If turtling is involved you abandon the match altogether because DS2 is such a wonderfully balanced game. Look at any tourneyfaggots and their combat style, it's always WD shitfest on top of a WD shitfest, the only thing that changed in ds2's meta over the years was quick attacks which is just a more efficient way of pulling WDs.
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>>162254404
Patches squat on the corpse or clapping while walking in circles over them.
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>have to update my graphics drivers to play new releases of games
>but updating my drivers makes me unable to play Dark Souls 3
Fuck Nvidia. What are they even doing? Why do I have to run drivers from 2013 to be able to play DaS3? That doesn't make any sense.
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>>162254404
dung stalk spam making it look like your pooping on them
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>>162255463
>watches tournaments with arbitrary rules
>doesn't know about invasions or the arena were noone cares about your shitty honorcode
When it comes to playing 'dirty' DaS2 is BY FAR the most balanced game in the series.
Can't count the times were not bowing was anwered with actually unpunishable darkmoons grass/blessings/estus.
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>>162230743
not even demon king, the gray one on the bridge near the wolf knight covenant that gives you the soul for boulder heave
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>>162254487
>tfw will just summon phantoms into my world then chameleon into the corner
>always do this when I see someone throwing a sign down in them middle of a level for an obvious resummon
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>>162252446
in DS2 you delay the R1 on the rolling attack in order to fully aim it
get gud
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>>162256081
>invasions
What? Those don't exist in DS2.
>When it comes to playing 'dirty' DaS2 is BY FAR the most balanced game in the series.
Oh yes. Can't use any switches which allows host to lock me from reaching him, can't go through enemies and some of them cannot be moved like mummies in Bastille, can't use majority of elevators, need to farm orbs simply to invade. It was so wonderfully balanced for the host that random invasions died out completely in a month after release.
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>>162256234
Why would you ever fall for delayed R1?
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>>162254430
it should be higher considering it's used as a counter read against parries
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Just started playing Dark Souls 3, why would they make it so you can't level up at bonfires, but only back at firelink? Feels silly that i have to go back and forth like an idiot. Does it get better?
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>>162253348
>and universally hated as Lucifer
ever heard of Erio-chan? No? good, you don't know true suffering
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>>162256005
I can play it just fine with modern drivers
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>>162256005
More like fuck From shitware. The pc port of DS3 is absolute garbage and I think at this point it might be intentional since the only game to not run like shit on PCs that fulfilled the system requirements was Dark Souls 2 which also happens to be the only game without Memezacki's involvement.
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>>162256316
>Does it get better?
the bonfire leveling? No, you always have to do that. The only reason DS1 didn't have a levelup waifu is because it was a last minute change or something, Miyazaki doesn't seem to understand that people actually preferred not having one.
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>>162256005
Probably because your shit ass GPU is also from 2013. Consider upgrading, literally nobody else has your problem.
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>>162253348
He's not the autistic faggot that spammed about Four Kings every day for over two years.
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>>162256316
firelink is much more interactive and it's easier to miss events if you don't visit often.
>does it get better?
search your feelings. you know the answer
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>>162256296
if you get the timing down it's like less then half a second delay mate, wait too long and you won't do the rolling attack
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>>162256434
>miss events
the only one I can think of that you could "miss" and be unable to partake in after some amount of time would be Yoel, who was as much a mistake as the level up waifu as he just kills your motivation to not die. Any other NPC in firelink can be talked to whenever.
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>>162256316
Stop relying so much on leveling up, you shouldn't be doing it too often.
Put the game on SSD and the load times become low enough so this shouldn't be a problem.
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>>162256547
Yes but why would you even try? No decent player is going to get hit by that. That's why it's pointless even though it technically exists.
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>>162256652
>Stop relying so much on leveling up, you shouldn't be doing it too often.
what did he mean by this?
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>>162256261
>rare occurrences and flatout lies
Good job further strenghtening DaS2 position in the series. I'm sure it will turn out well for you.
DaS3 will be great and Trump won't be president.
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>>162256731
player who levels up as soon as he has the souls to is a shitty player
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>>162256547
>if you get the timing down it's like less then half a second delay mate
Which is enough to get fucked by r1s of any non-retarded opponent.
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>>162256418
>Miyazaki doesn't seem to understand that people actually preferred not having one

Sure was like that when I was browsing /dsg/ when people were getting hyped about Dark Souls 2 / 3 / Bloodborne

>PLS FROM BRING BACK MAIDEN IN BLACK ;_:
>muh MiB waifu ;_:
>STILL THE BEST GIRL :DDD

You all asked for this
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>>162253361
lel
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>>162256810
This.

"Convenience" is why Dark Souls II and III have bonfires so close to each other. It's not necessarily something this series benefits from.
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>>162256761
I honestly can't say what processes happened in your brain while you were posting this comment.
This ain't just just a typical aggressiveness of DS2 fans, it's something like a denial mixed with a heavy autism.
Are you alright, anon?
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>>162256698
all depends on the weapon though, rolling attacks that arc can be used decently with this, for example to land the 3-hit true combo with greataxes.

Spamming the slightly delayed rolling attack is indeed dumb, but just doing it once or twice a fight is a great way to take your oponent off-guard.

I mean, I've got over 400 hours on DS2, almost every fight I used redirected rolling attacks, works more often than you think
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>>162224526
>that one sunbro just sitting on the side and then bowing when the bullying is over

good god, fucking honorshitters.
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>>162256698
>Yes but why would you even try?
I get the feeling you never tried it before.
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whats the lowest SL you guys have completed the game on? I have twins and soul left atm at sl20

oh and if you summoned during any bossfight you're obviously disqualified
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>>162256770
>a player who holds on to items that may be lost instead of mking use of them is a shitty player
>"why?"
>because I'm personally unable to enjoy this game unless I go out of my way to gimp myself
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>>162256997
I never relied on those more than dark orb spam - if it lands it's nothing but pure luck because of how easy it is to see coming.
It's a terrible mechanic that works far better in every other game in the series.
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>>162257084
Right now I'm up to twin princes on my sl9, but I don't really plan on going farther. I fought yhorm with seigward, I certainly hope that doesn't count as summoning.
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>>162257084
SL1
>>162257137
I'm not telling to rely on redirected rolling attacks, I'm just saying that once or twice a fight can surprise your oponent. It's also really good for the Smelter Hammer, since the rolling attack is its fastest attack
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>>162256423
>Consider upgrading, literally nobody else has your problem.
In fact tons of people do. Why do you feel the need to talk like you know something when you clearly don't? There were non-stop threads going on and on about the 2013 drivers. Which is how I learned about it in the first place.
Massive Steam threads about the 2013 drivers. And the first result from google of the issue also happens to be a massive reddit thread also about how the 2013 doubles to quadruples the framerate.

And yeah. I am looking into buying a whole new computer upgrading everything sometime now in 2017. Possibly sooner rather than later, but certainly not right now.
But yeah, my current card isn't from 2013, it's from 2011. And while I do recognize that is old, I can indeed run the game with stable framerates, using drivers from 2013. But if I update to actually up to date drivers, the game runs like complete ass.
And no that's not just me. Nvidia's modern drivers are literally ass for older cards. As in worse than older drivers.

It's still amusing though. DaS3's very own system requirements, may make sense going after updated and modern drivers. But by using drivers from years before the game even released, and you magically get better performance, even with a weaker card, than you get from using the card they specify under minimum requirements using up to date drivers. So that's more or less a total shitfest. If the modern drivers just weren't complete ass they could lower the specified minimum requirements by quite a lot.
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>>162257137
Rolling attacks in any other games in the series get you parried. Being able to delay them so much that you can catch panic rolls is fucking amazing.
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>>162257084
I've done an SL1 playthrough of every game in the series, they were all pretty fun.
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>>162257337
>panic rolls
I thought we were talking about PvP and not invading newbies.
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>>162257380
nigger like 95% of players are retarded
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>>162256575
The vinheim fuccboi also fucks off
wherever if you don't bring him scrolls
>>162256761
Not that anon but someone making a fallacy doesn't invalidate his whole point unless it was built on the fallacy. Certainly does not make your point stronger, under any circumstances. And fuck off with this politiks bullshit, why you americans always have to bring up irrelevant shit
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>cat ring in ds2 doesn't negate fall damage completely
>need to stack an incredibly ugly gear but still can't play the same dickass stealth ninja i can play in ds3
Also what the fuck they did to the greatarrow knockback, i'm pretty sure it was stronger.
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>>162257469
>Also what the fuck they did to the greatarrow knockback, i'm pretty sure it was stronger.
god damn that just reminded me that they removed the launching property of the UGS running attacks
now I'm sad and TRIGGERED
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>>162257380
If you actually played any of the games you would know that animations get shortened on the other end. Fast WR's are impossible to dodge on reaction.
Delayed lance WR's are king at this. Of course you could just block, but that's free chip damage.
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>After 2 hours of trying, I finally beat Manus
>I died from his dark magic right after

JUST

I didn't expect to see Victory Achieved, though.
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>>162257409
5% is what matters.
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>>162257427
You can talk to dishonest incognito tripfags all you want m8.
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Nice try, Onion Knight.
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>>162257984
T H I C C
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>>162258391
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>>162258479
>no tits or hips on actual official concept arts and in-game model
>portrayed as a titty monster on fanart
but why
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>>162258583
I bet you like dicks
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>>162258583
>no tits
What?
Shanalotte is pretty well stacked.

MiB is the pedophile / feet lover favorite because she's flat af.
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>>162258721
>Shanalotte is pretty well stacked.
It's just her red ribbon creating an illusion.
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>>162258815
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>>162258815
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>>162257067

He saw the 2H'd greatshield at SL36 and respected it :^)
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>>162258479
HNNNG THICKER
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>>162259395
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>>162259618
Ok not so thick
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>>162259802
please don't post toys here thanks
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>>162260178
>heal aid
Are you resinbuffing that shield? Cool.
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>>162260291

No but maybe I should lol, it's for using embers for full heals.
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>>162260210
facessiting is so nice
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>>162260178
What's that? You want more, /dsg/? Well since you asked so nicely...
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https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/124936

rate
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>>162261030

>tfw you'll never have an abusive pd bf
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>>162260389
Few people have moss at that SL.
Buff the shield with rotten resin for maximun bullying
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What combos are still viable in DS2 after the stunlock nerf?

Are there any weapons that can chain 2HR2s anymore, or is 2HR1 > 2HR1 now the only viable combo?
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>>162262285
I think some GS still have 3 hit combo?
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>>162262398
Which ones? Best I can figure out, they removed the ability to chain anything into an R2, so that killed the Bastard/Mastodon combo, so now you can just R1>R1 or 2HR1>2HR1.
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>>162262227

Mostly think I'm just gonna stop now. I mean you can win with it and I've actually won a lot with it now surprisingly, but it's just really slow and only does like 80-100 damage per hit. You basically do running attacks (or backstep running attacks) on people all day, it takes for fucking ever though.

It was fun though. I've had summoned phantoms literally just outright leave when they got summoned in and saw me beating on the host, shit's hilarious. I think people respect the 2H'd shield and are like "fuck this host if he can't deal with that he deserves to lose". Or they're scared I guess lol. I pack an offhand xbow and estoc to make things a bit quicker but 90% of the time just did running attacks on people with the 2H GSh.
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>invaded by a cheating fucktard
>it's a furry apparently browsing /dsg/
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>>162262790
is he cute?
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r1 2hit combo was a mistake.
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>>162263810
that's right we need multi hit combos
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>>162263672
cesspool of degenerates
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>>162264102
is it your... first time?
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>>162263810
seperating equip load from end was a mistake
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>>162262790
is his name lucio?
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Any ds2 fags here?
How much damage will i lose from infusing bone fist with dark on base stats and slapping robflynn on top of it compared to pure physical 40/40 robflynn if i'm going to do low-level invasions?
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>>162264206
first time for what? I just hate furries
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Is it true that blocking someone via steam block them in the game as well?
I know that PSN has this function, dunno about PC.
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>>162264607
I can't confirm but it seems to take effect. I blocked one hacker while invading as an aldrich cuck. Then I didn't invade him anymore. Maybe he just stopped that day, maybe not.
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>>162262790
This untermensch invaded me with cheats on and I juts kinda closed the game and didn't play it for 2 weeks.
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>>162265472
even though i'm not that much of a consolefag, psn having limited profile customization options is sure as fuck more preferable to this faggotry
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>>162257996
You know, it's a special type of feeling, having both you and the boss die at the same time.
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>>162265472
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>>162265760
Not that guy, but I don't really see the point of filling a steam profile at all. Name and any comments if any left by other players is good enuff.
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>>162264607
Yeah, it works. Block cheaters and you don't have to run into them again.
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any of you shitheads up for a ps4 fight club if i host?
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>>162266593
sl120 DS3
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>>162265472
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>invaded at irithyll right before the fire witch gang bang
>reds kind of scrubby but looks like hes atleast trying to the right things
>space his gs and whiff punish r1r1 and r2 his roll
>runs to heal, switches to the propaned and hides behind the firewitch
>see him hiding behind his mommy spamming point down and throwing dung pies from way out of range
>clap and and sleep
>go take a piss because I really couldnt give less of a fuck
>come back to see him finally running over
>roll out of sleep and parry his running r1
>fuck up the wake up finisher
>he runs back to mommy and black crystals
>he probably still had 4-5 estus

why are 9/10 invaders the embodiment of wasted time?
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>>162265760
>i want sane people to not have some features because a certain number of retards exist
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>>162265760
>>162265472
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>>162266862
and then you realized that this logic is applied to many things in life and that muh feels actually win

feels bad man
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>>162262790
>not loading up your family share account and teleport hotkey on top of him while smashing his face in with dark hand
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>>162267178
too much of a bother for a degenerate i've blocked after 10 seconds
i kinda wish ds3 either wasn't restrictive in terms of cheat detection, cheating fucktards just use family shared accounts anyway, but at least i could counter cheat safely like i did in ds1/2 or disabled family sharing altogether
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>Over 1500 hours in souls games
>Have never run a quality build
>Run one yesterday, and I'm already mopping the floor with everything, I have so much health and damage everything is trivial

No wonder I never did this before. The only good thing about this build is how I can use so many different weapons, otherwise the lack of difficulity kills it for me. Even a caster is harder, because they have to make hard choices and waste points in not only one primary start(intelligence), they also need to meet parameter requirements to wield weapons, and sink points into attunement.
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Pick one.
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>>162267415
Live Die Repeat, cause I love Edge of Tomorrow
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>>162267415
Only if you post a version that isn't as fucking blurry as DS1 without DSFix.
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>>162266802
Because having to search your souls pool is fucking annoying
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>>162254404

If they are a parry spammer, spam the parry emote over their corpse and toss in a dung pie for good measure
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What's a good level to pvp as a sorcerer, preferably before sl60
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>>162267726
59
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>>162266925
Samefagging here, he's going live now.
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LORE TIME

Solaire tells the Chosen Undead, that Lordran is the birthplace if Gwyn. The CU travels to the Kiln, where the first flame is, and presumably Gwyn was born.

The Unkindled one also returns to the Kiln, which definitely means he goes to Lordran.

The Bearer of the Curse, can relink the fire, but never sets foot in Lordran, or the kiln.

How does the throne relink the flame, if the flame is in Lordran?
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@162267828
fuck off, retard
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There's something immensely satisfying when you rapier parry and kill some idiot on your first L2 when he's been spamming parry at you the whole time.
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>>162267726
>wants to be low level
>also wants to play the most stat-heavy build after dark turboquality meme shit
M8
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>>162266802

It's nit 9/10 invaders it's 9/10 players. Most people are bad at the game.

I mean there's something wrong when I'm consistently beating ganks with a fucking 2 handed WK greatshield at SL35. Besides if the red were smart he would be wearing the obscuring ring and wait for you to try actually progressing through the level yourself and then ambush you, if he wanted to actually use mobs.
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>>162268190
fair point
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Just finished couple rounds on arena with a fresh character and this bleed shit is just retarded. I end fights with one combo and it's very easy to execute. I'm not even having fun blowing people up this way. Should I delete this character or keep bringing pain to the weaklings and doing legion etiquette after every fight for that maximum cancer?
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>>162258479
>you will never become the next monarch and meld light and dark and then free Shanalotte and marry her and sleep on pillows of tit
jdimsa
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Desu
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>>162258815
That dress isn't terribly formfitting. She's probably stacked under there. You think Aldia would design her any other way?

>>162267849
I got the impression linking the flame with the Throne of Want was a more local phenomena, rather than a global linkage. It's basically just for Drangleic. Drangleic also seemed to be hollowing far more rapidly than other lands.
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>>162268273

I usually have a twink weapon in my back pocket just in case but honestly it just feels unfair most of the time. Just this morning I have a fucking sunbro with a target shield block my 30 strength millwood battle axe. No not parry, actually block. I staggered R1'd him twice and hornet riposted him, died before the 3rd swing even got to him. Was using it alongside the WK Greatshield (30 str to meet it's requirements, +knight's ring) and just fucking melting ganks, shit's crazy.
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>>162268345
Destroy the Arena so people go back to being invaded instead.
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>>162267381
I purposely setup a family share account around my main pvp characters level to counter cheaters, didn't take much work because I only do lowbie pvp but still feels damn good to smack them back with their own bullshit then block them so they never invade me again.
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>>162268707
No problem.
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What in the fucking world is that ? I don't remember see any giants with faces.
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>>162264230
normal fist scaling at 40/40: 1.45*140
Dark fist scaling at 15/30/6/6: (0.65*68)+(.25*102) physical, (1*63) elemental

Normal fist: 20+203 physical
Dark fist base: 12+69.7 physical, 69+63

Totals with Robflynn:
Normal: 323 Physical
Dark: 181.7 Physical, 132 elemental

Since it's low level, let's assume 500 physical defense and ~200 elemental defense (no dispelling ring or fancy armor)

Normal: 228 damage
Dark: 202.4

So ~10% loss in damage. But if they happen to have high int and fth, it will only do 176 damage, which is a bit more significant.
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God I wish more weapons used DS2 stylish movesets

Can you blame me for trying to main this chill motherfucker?

>Best looking weapon
>Best moveset
>...
>Three way split damage

Fuck
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>>162268928
Some old giant design they forgot to swap with the faceless one.
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Can I become a tranny in DS3?
Not talking about the appearance changer in the Rosaria covenant
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>>162268928
they got sloppy in cleaning up the non-anus giant corpses
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>>162268928
there's some lore behind this apparently, but it was an unfinished design/concept sketch for the giants that was never used in game except for this one guy.
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>>162269003
If you put a buff on it the damage it does is insane. It's made for buffing.
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>>162269098
It's garbage even if you buff
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>>162269098
I miss being able to buff almost everything and useful poison. And poise. God, I miss real poise.
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>>162268928

Things are rotting in the painted world of Drang
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>>162269036
Make male character, put on Dancer's set, wear reversal ring. Boom, tranny.
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>>162269036
You can use a reversal ring to change your animations to female/male.

Although what the fuck does it matter since you can't see your genitals in the game anyway so it's a "draw a girl, call it a boy".
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>>162269210

DS2 was not a mistake
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>>162269341
I want to be a high quality tranny
>>162269395
>You can use a reversal ring to change your animations to female/male.
Does it give you female breasts as well? And can you then use the female character creator?
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>>162269550
not like the female character has breasts in the first place
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>>162269450
>you will never have DaS 1's level design and bosses, DaS 2's mechanical excellence, and DaS 3's atmosphere and art direction in a single game
I want to get off Memezacki's wild ride
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>>162268345
>>162268707
Got gold medal for duels, lost like 2 fights overall. I think I'll body some niggas in brawls too.
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>>162269637
>DaS 2's mechanical excellence

ADP WAS A MISTAKE
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>>162269550
>Does it give you female breasts as well?
Why don't you just make a female in the character creator when you start?
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>>162269761
It was the least egregious mechanical mistake in stat terms of any souls game.
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>>162269881
It affected the most valuable defense tool in your arsenal.

If that shit hadn't made it's way into DS2, I'd agree with it being pretty gud mechanically wise.
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How do I not die in painted world tho
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Is SL70/+8 good for archives, archdragon peak and the DLC? Should I go lower/higher? Primarily want to invade in the DLC, but have those two available as well.
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>>162269761
>>162269881
>>162270050
ADP would've been fine without the fucked roll hitboxes.
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>>162269003
Shame it has such a phantom SHORT range. Seriously, the range seems to actually be shorter than the fucking model itself. I still loved it, though.
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>>162270151
No it wouldn't of been, you fucking start with 5 iframes, that is less than dark souls 1's fucking slow roll.

But the roll hit boxing is another issue, but I'll admit, I haven't had too many issues it with barring thrust attacks, but I don't know if that's my hitbox or the weapon's at that point.
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>>162267404
What game? Quality sucks a lot in DS2 because of how nerfed dex scaling is. (S Dex = B Strength). 40/27 is always better than 27/40 and there are strength-scaling versions of the same movesets.
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>>162270050
>It affected the most valuable defense tool in your arsenal.
Rolling is overrated. You didn't have to put much into ADP to get by, and you can't really roll spam in DS2 anyway.

> I'd agree with it being pretty gud mechanically wise.
Compared to the mechanical clusterfucks of DaS 1 and DaS 2 ADP is nothing.
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>>162270315
>(S Dex = B Strength)
As it should be.
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>cast iron flesh
>they pelt me with throwing knives
>kill them
>mash throwing knives at their corpse
feels great man
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I'm done making friends in souls games
>all I do is invade on my twinks
>people add me to have invasion fun times in road of sacrifices
>but sooner or later they all start asking me for carries on bosses because I'm wearing endgame rings so I'm 'pro' in their eyes
>tell them all I like doing is pvp
>every time I play with them they still ask if I can help them with this or that area or that boss
>"hey I'm waiting at this boss if you can just help out for a min between invasions"
Really guys, leave me alone :((
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>>162270337
>Rolling is overrated

You're being contrarian just for the kicks right ? Or did Havel somehow get a PC due to convoluted time lines ?
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>>162270572
Subscribed :)
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>>162270337
>x is overrated
stopped reading right there
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>>162270057
have you tried getting good
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>>162270371
The problem is that dex weapons get almost nothing in exchange for their low scaling. SOME dex weapons make up for it with decent counter modifiers and lower weight, but it's rarely enough to make it worthwhile. Mastodon only has 100 counter but it doesn't fucking need more because it still does more damage than countering with the loyce/drakeblood sword, AND with about the same stat requirements if you make up for the weight difference.
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Keep hearing about this WA cancel thing, what is it and how you do it?
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How does a greatsword get four 2HR1s? Or are you only allowed to roll after getting hit twice?
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>>162269761
I think soul memory is much worse in terms of ds2's mechanical errors. ADP was just a way of making ds1 RES make more sense.
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>>162270841
I will teach you once you give source
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>>162270896
Yes.
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>>162271061
I'm sorry, I think I worded my post wrong. Are you only allowed to *ROLL* after getting hit twice? You can't cast do WAs during their combos now?
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>>162271159
Yes.
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>>162270308
And five (5) frames would be enough for some people, so they could save levels and invest in other things, wow, build diversity that correlates directly to tangible differences in gameplay, how novel!
Bear in mind a lot of other games have two or three frame timing for evasion or attack chaining, a five frame window on a move you can perform at any time is pretty lax and you can invest in a stat to make your life easier if you want.

The biggest drawbacks are hitbox fuckery (which is present in the rest of the series, just obfuscated by loliframes) and Fromsoft's trademark inability to communicate mechanics to players.
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>>162270898
I forget SM exists. I can see what they wanted to do with it, but in execution, it really wasn't handle all that well.

>ds1 RES make more sense

What do you mean by that ? I don't follow.
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>>162270898
>I think soul memory is much worse in terms of ds2's mechanical errors
Yeah but that was an online mechanic issue not a stat one.
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>>162269210
>God, I miss real poise.
I still have no clue how poise in DaS3 even works.
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>>162271291
You said it better than I could.

>Bear in mind a lot of other games have two or three frame timing for evasion or attack chaining,
Dark Souls is actually easier than the opening part of The Witcher 2 for precisely this reason.
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>>162271457
>I still have no clue how poise in DaS3 even works.
Makes it harder for you to be interrupted in the middle of some attack animations. Basically worthless outside the big weapons and not worth much even then. Armor may as well be totally cosmetic in DaS 3. Yet it's also the steepest stat investment to wear in the series.
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>>162271291
I can see where your coming from, but I just can't get over how your starting frames is nearly half as less as fattyMcHavel's roll is. In regards to other games having less I-frames, I'd imagine much like DaS series, it was designed in mind with that, which brings the issue to me with DaS2, that my legitimate belief is that not all the game was designed with 5 i-frames in mind.

I'd honestly just prefer it DaS1 way of having different roll types tied to your equip load, but that opens up other issues that originally plagued DaS1 of backflipping giant dads.
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>>162270947
It's not porn
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>>162271457
Certain weapon attacks have hyperarmor. The amount of hyperarmor health (aka "poise health) varies per weapon, and the amount of hyperarmor damage (aka "poise damage") varies by attack. All weapons deal hyperarmor damage, but not all have hyperarmor health, which is why you can be staggered wearing Full Havel's when swinging a dagger.
Armor Poise works like Shield Stability and reduces incoming hyperarmor damage by a % equal to your total armor poise.
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>>162270947
Pretty sure it's from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
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>>162271274
I hate how arbitrary everything in this game is.
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>the 3man gank squad you beat invite you to their party to make weird screaming sounds and spout memes

Brits are weird
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>>162271589
>in the middle of some attack animations
Yeah. That's where I become lost. I have been cleric with a mace and I have never felt any effect from poise. Not counting the two handed weapon art.
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>>162272003
You need to 2H the mace for hyper armor to even work and then it depends what hit you (did you have enough poise to tank through attack of that weapon class) and how deep into your attack animation were you when striking (aka you need to be in active hyper armor frames, not startup frames or recovery frames).
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>>162272003
The mace only has poise when two-handed. Not when one-handed.
It also doesn't have a -lot- compared to greatweapons, so you'd need quite a bit of armor poise to reduce incoming poise damage.
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what the fuck is scotty doing these days? once again /ourguy/ fell fron grace it seems
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>>162272280
What happened to poise, what happened to just being able to become a brickwall ?
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>>162272003
>You need to 2H the mace for hyper armor to even work and then it depends what hit you
Well fuck. What attack has hyper armor then? I never noticed it had any.
Are you saying the charge attack actually has hyper armor? I knew the greatswords and greathammers had hyper armor but I never noticed any when using my regular mace.
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Reminder that point up is the new point down
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>>162272420
Died with flipping havelyns and other fisherman which is good
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>>162272420
>What happened to poise, what happened to just being able to become a brickwall ?
Dead and that's a good thing
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>>162272420
DaS1 was an outlier there.
Demon's Souls only had hyperarmor on heavy weapon attacks. There was no stat involved, and heavy armor was absolutely useless.
DaS2 poise was a nerfed version of DaS1 poise. Two-handing significantly boosted poise damage, making it kind of a hard counter to it in exchange for not being able to use your offhand, and it also introduced a kind of "soft stun" where poising through an attack while sprinting would slow you down to a walk, but not prevent you from taking actions. This would prevent stuff like sprinting backstabs.
DaS3 is basically a nerfed Demon's Souls style, where heavy weapon attacks have hyperarmor but it's not absolute, you have a limited amount of "health" on it that can be bolstered by armor.
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>>162271674
>which is why you can be staggered wearing Full Havel's when swinging a dagger.
I really hate this. It's ridiculous when you have people earing the heaviest armors in the game be staggered from a trade with a person fighting naked, as the naked man poises through the attack of the man wearing heavy armor. That became staggered.
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>>162272568
What if I do a fag bow?
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>>162272604
>>162272654
It'd be nice if shit would function differently in PVP compared to PVE, but that wouldn't work well with the random invasion nature of dark souls.

I just miss dressing as Havel and not feeling bad in coop
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>>162272792
You can be a poise monster in ds3 tho
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>>162272492
2H R1 and R2 have poise, but it's a low value (around 16 afaik).
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>>162272757
It's mechanically intentional because:
1) Armor doesn't convey hyperarmor, it only enhances it.
2) Daggers do not have hyperarmor.

The lightest weapons with hyperarmor are halberds and non-great hammers. Honorable mention goes to Axes who have hyperarmor on charged warcry R2s.
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>>162272604
Poise was fine in DaS 2.

>>162272850
you can but the payoff is pretty low
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>>162270765
no I was hoping to avoid that
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>>162272792
>>162272757
If you want to be a poise monster in full havel's, use a greatweapon.
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>>162272893
It's counter-intuitive as fuck and very unsatisfying.
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>>162272893
>It's mechanically intentional
Yeah, I get that it's intentional. It just sucks and looks retarded. I'd rather there be no poise at all than have that backwards implementation of it.
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>>162273020
This is true.

DaS2 poise was fine as a concept because as a system it was the most fixable with purely numerical tweaks. DaS1 and DaS3 poise systems are flawed at the core, the former due to being overly binary, the latter due to being counterintuitive and not mechanically interesting.
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>>162272769
It's not even fun ironically

Pointing up is essentially giving them the finger and they'll get buttburt
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>>162270898
Top 5 Bad mechanics in DS1:
1. Backstabs and riposte are insane
>critical damage is SO insane that it's only worth doing other tactics if you aren't good enough to do those. It's as if from only assumed players would only make them would work 1-2% of the time

2. Complete lack of weapon balance within each class
>Weapons, buffs and spells are haphazardly organized, with a lot of 'holes' on the spectrum between types of weapons, restricting build and playstyles around specific weapon gimmicks, and many playstyles had no possible counter because certain potential counter weapons were just never added to the game.

3. Pyromancy /Chaos weapons can be used the same damage at any SL, defense is based on SL
>all pyromancies, chaos weapon, power within, etc. all allow for rediculous min-maxing, especially since your base defense is heavily influenced by SL, so low SL builds had huge chasms between their defense and damage output.

4. Level-based defense
>gains from high damage against low defense pvp are exponential, one-shotting is way too easy at low SLs

5. Spell spam / stamina drain when blocking
>anything except for a few greatshields can be cheesed with spells for their high stamina damage, makes shields useless for ranged combat
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>>162273620
>>162270898

Top 5 Bad mechanics in DS2 (post patch SOTFS):

1. Fucked up counter modifiers
>Counter bonus shouldn't apply the same to every move on a weapon, no matter how fast. At least DS1 got this sort of right by giving only the smallest hitboxes counter damage.

2. S Dex = B Strength
>There's no such thing as a dex greatsword or straightsword anymore, they had to add a few exceptions via DLC. Only Mirrah and Drangleic actually get balanced quality scaling

3. Insane poise destruction
>Even after tweaks and SOTFS, max possible poise is still too low to poise through more than a single 2HR1 or 1HR2. While still useful, this makes it a gimmick relegated to just a few specific troll builds.

4. Soul memory
>Great idea in theory, 2 major flaws in execution: A) it counts souls obtained, not souls used, so you can't halt your own progression. Abyss ring is not a viable choice, the game should not require backing up saves just to keep playing pvp. B) it counts souls spent on things you're not equipping. If Soul Memory just counted souls spent on your current level + the "soul value" of all your armor, rings, weapons, and upgrades currently equipped, it would be perfect.

5. Time-consuming item farming
>This is what makes people hate soul memory, a LOT of good pvp weapons required lots of farming or late game / NG+ only acquisition. some weapon spell buffs required 2 bonfire ascetics to get while others could be purchased. People hated soul memory because it forced them to create new characters every time they got too many souls from winning a PvP match.

Everything else mechanically in DS2 was honestly vastly improved over DS1.
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>>162272921
This is not even optimized because starting class was mercenary blind first playthrough instead of warrior and I still deal 750+ dmg in 2 R1's while being literally never staggered. It's really fun when people think they can trade and just get squashed like a bug.
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>>162273727
>>162273620
Honorable mentions to DS1 not allowing NG+ to play online with NG, and for DS2's weird controller deadzones and variations between platforms.
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>>162273897
>DS1 not allowing NG+ to play online with NG

That's pre-patch DaS2.
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>>162272921
Poise was fine in DS2 except that the thresholds were too high for 2H weapons. Any weapon that you could poise through could just stagger you by switching to 2 handed, 2HR2 rapiers are enough to stagger even max poise with Hyperarmor. They made any weapon able to stagger but all but the max armor unable to block, so building for poise was taking a 1/100 chance that the opponent would not 2H their weapon for some reason.
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God damnit I fucking hate souls players
>can you help me with dancer
>can you help me with armor
>hey this area is really hard
>hey twins please
>hey hey how do I kill Yhorm help please
>watchers help?
And then every 10 times they ask you say fuck it I could use some sunlight medals I guess
>health gets squished down to 800 effectively making you weaker than a lvl 15 so you can't just go ham on the boss
>and then the host always fucking dies anyways
Seriously fuck off, it's embarrassing that most of my boss help kills have been me finishing the boss after they die right before the game despawns
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>>162272792
they need to just design better PvE. Problem is that Miyazaki starts with experience level design first and then tries to fuck with the game settings to make it work later instead of building an engine that works balanced from the start.
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>>162267105
lmao i miss the messages from gfwl
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>>162271628
It's punishment for min-maxing. So much of DS2 was designed to discourage the bad reputation that DS1's pvp community gave the game in Japan. Just like how so much of DS3's gameplay was designed to discourage the bad reputation that DS2's PvE experience gave the game in america.
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>>162274263
I let a few add me and now I play with my shit set to appear offline much of the time

no jesus fuck i dont want to help you with dancer and then oceiros and then gundyr, im building a twink i don't have time to wait at the boss door for 5 minutes while you get there again and then go in and watch you die instantly
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>>162224547
No matter what, people will complain. If it's set in Londor, people will bitch about the Dark Souls 2 references. If it's not, people will complain that they wanted to see Londor.
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>>162274263
It's shit like this that makes me glad that armored core is still fairly niche and that there aren't any "tips" or "tricks" to beating bosses. I always hated how dark souls relied on 'throwaway' knowledge about a boss or mechanic that you would use once in a game and then ignore until your next gameplay. Host is allowed to die in AC co op, so it's more like having a one up rather than having to work together.
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>>162274095

I don't think high poise would work in DaS2, as there's no toggle escape or similar mechanic. Toggle escape made low poise builds a viable option. In DaS3, after the poise patch, it can be quite annoying to fight high poise characters with a low poise character that's using an UGS for example.
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>>162268928
That's the original exceptionally rough draft for the giants. Whoever designed that map put it in accidentally and never noticed since he probably just played through without checking behind himself.
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>>162274885
I mean keep the same poise but lower the poise destruction values for 2H a weapon. It costs absolutely nothing to hard-counter a poise build and anyone can do it no matter their stats or equipment, yet it takes ALL of your stats and equipment to be optimized to even attempt a poise build.
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>>162274629
>>162274629
FUCKING THIS

all I want to do is twink new characters/pvp on my twinks

And they're like "hey help me real quick with Pontiff, hey wheres the next boss now? Wanna help me do it? What does the boss do

Bitch it's dark souls explore yourself and learn the mechanics of a boss through trial and error

Seriously this one dude stayed up until 9am (didn't sleep all night) and after every boss I said I had to go for a bit, hoping hey, it's 6am where he lives maybe he'll go to sleep) nope, come back each time and I get a chat invite immediately "hey I can't find the boss wanna help"
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Dragonsis.

That is all.
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>>162274990
It's far more likely that they had a faced giant 3D model and decided to throw it in for fun or as a nod to the original design, rather than it being a mistake. I doubt they would have changed the giant design AFTER doing all the 3D rendering for that level.
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>>162274629

Every time people ask for co-op here it irks me because I really would like to gank with some /dsg/bros some time. PvE was fun the first time I played through blind but now it just bores me to tears when I had to go through that shit to build my twinks for invasions, invasions are the only thing that interest me now (but that said they REALLY interest me and I love them).

I invade all the time but some times I'd like to be on the other side of the equation, I feel like it might give me some insight too. But no one ever wants to do that unfortunately. Like SL36 +4 meet up in crux woods, clear the level out and pop a dried finger with way of the blue and see how long we can survive.
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>>162275227

I miss her so much.
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>>162275138
>all I want to do is abuse min-maxing to get laughs out of fucking with other people's games

>god I hate when people want to enjoy the game WITH me instead
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>>162275240
Have you seen how shoddy DS2 is? I'd be willing to put money on someone just importing the wrong face texture and never even noticing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LgsWKWfGE
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>>162275415
it's just annoying, when someone knows you're in an invasion session or building a new character but still can't muster up the balls to play the game themselves without bothering you for a carry every 5 minutes and then dying anyway
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>>162275138

It still bothers me to this day that so many people aren't willing to just play a goddamn video game by themselves and overcome the struggle to eventually beat it.

This new generation is like the hand-hold generation or something. Like they can't do anything themselves and the moment they run into any bit of difficulty they cry and throw a temper tantrum. Probably why I love invading so much tbhfam.
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>>162275227
Furryfaggot kill yourself.

That is all.
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Where can you pvp at around level 70?
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>>162275415
>all I want to do is abuse min-maxing to get laughs out of fucking with other people's games

spotted the host that summons a million phantoms with way of the blue and just runs away forever after popping a seed.
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>>162274629
Why keep these vermin in friend list if they just annoy you? Just delete them.
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>>162275605
technically it's dragonfaggotry but it's just as bad
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>>162275720
I'm a huge pushover is why. I even wind up helping them out most of the time. You are right, though.
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>>162275512
>>162275495
>>162275415
>>162275138
>>162274629
>>162274263

Ah, so you guys are just now discovering why all other From Software games get 5/10 reviews and why they were obscure for 20 years straight

Average people don't like the stats-heavy personal-victory games that From Software makes .But games like dark souls market memetastically well and have enough personality/quirks to get over that distaste.
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>>162275415
>>162275415
Read>>162275495

The game is meant to be a challenge that's supposed to be the appeal of the game

These people still can't play the game properly and have no idea about anything even at the twins

After never having played a single souls game and the hardest game I've played in the category of RPG games is witcher on death march I still managed to beat the game rather seamlessly with a few hiccups on the twins, I've had the game for 3 weeks and win 90% of my invasions even in 1v3 situations, I beat he game at SL20, this isn't me bragging cuz it's not the point, the point is that the people asking me for help have had the game for months and still need help with bosses, still need help with builds, still need help with basically everything, and they have maybe 5x as many hours as me
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Would anyone happen to have a picture of Solaire looking at the sun, I'd like to have it. Surprisingly can't find any good shots/pics.

Best would be if Solaire's quote "The sun is a wondrous body, like a magnificent father. If only I could be so grossly incandescent" was on it.
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>>162268959
Thanks anon.
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>visibly in dark souls 1
>working on my sl1
>message pops up
>hey help with dancer pls c:
FUCK
OFF
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>>162275387
Irithyll Dungeon.
Tonight.
You.
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>>162274263
wtf are you talking about? sounds like you are talking about reddit. people make questions and ask help on all games that exist.
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>>162275994
This is because dark souls is a game designed for a <500,000 copies sold niche audience that is somehow being pushed to AAA status on people via marketing.

5 years ago, from was smaller than some indie developers
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>>162275783
Same here, if someone asks me for help I'll most likely help although I do come up with excuses as much as possible and avoid being online when they are, but when you have friends in upside down, the US and Europe and they all ask for help it's virtually impossible to avoid it , sometimes I'll say I really don't feel like it, and they'll accept it, and then 20 minutes later they'll be doing the boss with a summon and complain how bad the phantom is and how easy it would be with me because 'I'm so good '
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>>162275783
Then you shouldn't cry on vietnamese cartoon forum, because you brought this upon yourself. Just delete them and live a happy life.
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>>162268928
god thats so much better, the asshole giants are easily one of the shittiest designs of ds2.
>hey remember the giants from ds1
>yes
>what if, they were made of stone and, had awful body proportions, and , and they also had a hole on their faces?
>brilliant
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>>162275629
Lothric Castle, Grand Archives, Archdragon Peak, maybe Pontiff
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>>162275416
The whole series has shit like this.
DaS1's forrest was full of floating bushes for example. Not to mention all the spots you can fall through the fucking floor.
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>>162275807
>Ah, so you guys are just now discovering

No, me and probably everyone else here already knows this stuff. It's just that someone brought up co-op so it gave us a reason to vent about it again.

I mean the whole reason why I got into dark souls when 3 released was because my older brother played the other ones in the series and told me how difficult and intense it was, how you'd die to a boss so many times before finally beating it and that feeling of victory felt so good. The only boss I really felt that huge build up of frustration, where you feel like the boss is impossible to beat, and then after several tries, you finally beat it with 0 estus left and like 1 HP left on the last swing of your stamina, and it feels like a dry orgasm that lasts all day, was the Abyss Watchers, took me 8 tries to finally beat 'em and I later found out I accidentally skipped crystal sage/cathedral and was underleveled for it. Then shit like pontiff took only 3 tries and NK I beat on the first try, I didn't even use parrying or a shield just a lothric knight long spear 2 handed.

I'm glad I experienced that feeling at least once, though. It's why Abyss Watchers are my favorite boss in the game and will be nostalgic as fuck for me in the future. What bothers me is that these "normies" I guess you'd call them, don't even realize what they're missing when they summon 3 of their friends who all gangbang the boss while the host smokes a joint in the corner waiting for it to be over, or to clear out a level for them easy peesy. They're missing out on that experience, that feeling, that rush, that thrill. They never get to feel that. And that to me is sad because it's such an amazing feeling, and it's hard to get in most games these days. A real challenge that fucks you up over, and over, and over, and over again. And then you finally git gud and you barely win, and that feeling is unique and amazing. And they never get to feel that now.

I pity them for missing out.
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>>162276190
I don't understand tho, why the worst players out there get drawn to this, do they not know the reputation of the games? If you suck at the games why play them, there's definitely better RPGs out there

One of my friends has played all souls games but not finished a single one of them and ask me for help on abyss watchers despite having had the game since summer
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>>162276513
I really recommend Dark Souls 1, especially for SL1.
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>>162269180
>+10 heavy Drakeblood at 27str 16 dex
>50 faith yorshka chime dmb or lb to fit your needs
>meat grinder gs moveset
>garbage

I mean if you say so
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>>162276371
Giants in DS3 have holes behind their masks too.
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>>162276626

Yeah, I know. I own DS1 and DS2 SotFS, I'll get around to them eventually. I just fell in love with invading like 2 months ago and haven't stopped loving it, like SL56 +6 and below. I just enjoy playing with new builds for invasions so much I haven't felt like moving on to DS1 and then DS2 yet.

I'll play them eventually. Also I don't do SL1 runs, I like to just play the game blind and explore every nook and cranny of every level and kill all of the mobs at least once before getting to the boss, and I beat everything by myself.
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Also on the subject of helping people

I wouldn't mind helping people here/grouping up for pvp

Because this feels like I'm helping people "I know" but helping people that add you sucks because the only interaction you have with them is 'please help'
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I just lost all my saves. I even tried recovering the files and they're long gone.
Will I get banned for downloading a 100% save online? Can I edit the character without getting banned?
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>>162276801
that's probably the best part of DS3. SL56 +6 and SL36 +4 are the last bastions of fun in this game.
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>>162276785
proof?
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>>162270315

Dark Souls I
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>helping one guy
>keep dying on purpose because I don't want to
>tell him to level up
>well are there any bosses I might have missed that you want to help me with
Really nigger
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>>162276616
Same reason assassin's creed still keep selling games. People don't buy games based on reptuation or review anymore, they buy them based on marketing.

>"I want a game"
>google "best RPGs of (current year)"
>Dark souls 3
>"I sort of remember DS1 and DS2, I played them once a few years ago" maybe put at max 30 hours total into each game
>check reviews
>9/10, ignores all the description
>add to amazon shopping cart
>go on with their day

At no point do most of the people buying and playing DS3 actually care about the mechanics or stats, they just want a decent RPG and everything else they've either played (as in, spent a few hours going through single player once) or is more than a year old.
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>>162276158
tfw no more hot dragon form art
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>>162276645
literally shit my man
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>>162276158
>>162277256

I don't know what to say, I really love her.
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>>162277081
How about just try not to help these kinds of people? Seriously, there are shitters in every Souls games these days. I got summoned for Orphan a couple days ago and the host literally just stayed far as fuck from Orphan and kept spamming the HLMS arcane shot while me and another guy were doing the actual damage. At that point, I just stop helping people like that because they just want to be carried.
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>>162277256
source?
>>162275227
source?
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>>162276513
>and I later found out I accidentally skipped crystal sage/cathedral and was underleveled for it.
Yeah. That was unintuitive as fuck. It's like everything almost with flashing lights brightly points towards the path of the Abyss Watchers. Meanwhile the path the path to the Crystal Sage / Cathedral, is through a tiny little crack in a wall of in the corner of the stage.
And then you fuck up your NPC questlines by defeating the Watchers before going through the Cathedral as well.
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>>162277586
My first run I had a bit of trouble with the Exiles, so decided to explore the area, found crystal sage, went to cathedral of the deep, was very confused when the boss there wasn't aldrich, and only then did I go find farron keep
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>>162277452
>I don't want to help him so I die on purpose
>why are you helping him
??
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>>162276892

Yeah I basically plan on playing them until the game dies and I can't get invasions anymore. Mainly waiting for For Honor to release, but even then I'll still do invasions with different builds/weapons.
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>>162277146
>>162276616
Consider that dark souls 3 is peaking at around ~8000 players at any point.

There are ~150 max posters on these threads this thread and ~1000 people active during peak hours on reddit.

Even if EVERY SINGLE /dsg/ and reddit player was playing CONSTANTLY 24/7 that accounts for at most 14% of the playerbase.

That means that MORE THAN 6 out 7 players are going to be ones who have no interest in diving into the game's community or really investing a lot of hours into it.1 out of 7 players are active community members who actually know what the mechanics are.

From release until about 1 year after the DLC, Dark Souls 3 belongs to the regular assholes who don't know what they're doing.

Armored Core V went through the same thing. It felt super unbalanced and rediculous for the first 1 year of its release because it was subject to a HUGE marketing campaign by Bandai namco and got a bunch of first-timer idiots playing.

The sequel received no marketing, sold poorly, but was bought only by fans so the pvp was fucking immaculate, and still is 3 years later.

With DLC, the "pleb" domination of an online game can be extended to 2+ years, and that's probably going to happen to DS3.
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>>162277394
Want a co-op partner, anon?

I'll change my fashion to whatever you want.
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>>162277763
Why help him in the first place??
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>>162277517

Methados.
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>>162277081
>really want friends to actually make a full das3 run
>they got me into das1 and 2 and showed me the ropes
>want to return the favor with das3 because its a big change from the previous titles
>they keep making it to catacombs give or take and then making new characters
>in the time it takes me to get to irithyll they make it to the undead settlement
>"damn, made another new character? You want any help rushing (insert area) to get caught up?"
>naw I got this

Its a different kind of frustration. Theyre both competent players, and I think the different mechanics are clicking now, but it bugs me that they get turned off because they keep playing the shittiest parts of the game with low level characters. I feel like they would really catch the bug if they could make it to irithyll and get higher than sl50
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>>162277861
Dragon fashion tier list:
Top tier: DS2
High tier: DS3
Shit tier: DS1
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>>162224125
Depressing stuff.
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>>162277586

I didn't really care about questlines or anything in my first blind playthrough, I probably won't in DS1 or 2 either. I just play it and tried to kill all of the mobs and bosses with whatever weapon I like at the time (hopefully quality builds are still just as good in DS1 and 2 so I can play with a lot of different weapons).

Then my first build I got up to SL120 to do pontiff duels and did the questlines correctly on NG+, and with my other low-mid level invasion invaders I speedran through the game doing all the quests properly with a guide. All the important ones at least, like I only give a fuck about sirris up until I get the DS axe and silvercat ring, after which I get my obscuring ring waifu.
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>>162277256
>>162277394
>>162277517

confirmed, DS fans hate furries but love scalies
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>>162277261
I like it alot. Works really well for my faith buff build and thats all that really matters
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ITS ALL YOUR FAULT PC PLAYERS
SCUM THAT PUSHED FROM TO SHIT OUT DAS 2 AND 3
YOU NEVER DESERVED THEIR GAMES
NEVER
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>>162278140
Yeah I can't really say I care too much about the questlines either. And I knew nothing about them on my first run.
I just find it kind of odd. That whole area of the game is pretty weird. I might even be inclined to call it the weirdest part of the game.

It's neat that there are branching paths and all, but that part of the game just doesn't handle it particularly organically.
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>>162278050
>das3
>high tier

surely you are rusing
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>>162278201
IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT XBOX PLAYERS
SCUM THAT PUSHED FROM TO SHIT OUT ARMORED CORE 4 AND FOR ANSWER, FORCING THEM TO START PORTING GAMES TO XBOX/PC
YOU NEVER DESERVED THEIR GAMES
NEVER
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>>162275227
>>162276158
>>162277256
>>162277861
REMOVE
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>>162277851

I don't know how much time invasions are going to last in DaS3 so I plan on playing it pretty heavily for probably at least the next year because I know there is likely a time limit unfortunately. There will eventually come a day where I can't invade a noob who summoned 2 or 3 of his buddies and put him in his place, feels bad man. Need to have my fun while I still can.
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>>162278201
You're paying for online. You never deserved good games like Bloodborne either.
I bought my PS3 for Demon's Souls but I am never going to buy a PS4 ever given what modern Sony has become. And it's truly appalling that people kept supporting them, often even going as far as defending their modern their modern practises.

Should have just kicked them out of E3 right alongside Microsoft you know. But you just had to suck that Sony cock and jump right onto the PS4 while sponsoring paid online.
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>>162278614
jokes on you
i can't buy a ps4 or bb
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>>162278334
>Yfw 60 faith sunlight spear on the king of storms
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>>162277861

I'm terribly burnt out on DaS3, so I only help other Anons. Please don't leave these threads.
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>guy accidentally the shrine maiden
>gets pissed off thinking he ruined his game
>goes and kills all the NPCs in the shrine and makes a new character
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>try to help against O&S
>host just runs away instead of attacking the guy he wants dead
Also, they _always_ have Solaire with them, who the fuck needs 2 summons for this boss?
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>on pc
>smashing people with a terrible sorc build
>point down after every fight
>all these adds and group invites

fucking kek
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>>162279231
>placing your sign to be summoned
>butthurt about people summoning
Something seems off here but I can't quite put my finger on it
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>>162279020
I thought she doesn't respawn.
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>>162279256
for some reason using int builds on pc really triggers the steam faggots.

its not like spells aren't the easiest thing to dodge in the world.
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>>162247252
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Astora Greatsword is the weapon to get JUST'd hardest by the last patch. They made the rolling attack parriable AND removed the thrust damage, while still being slower than the standard Ultra rolling poke so now it's objectively worse in every way. So now it's just an Ultra with Greatsword AR and a really shitty, nearly unuseable rolling attack, there's literally no reason to use this thing now

How do we fix it? Maybe Greatsword tier stamina consumption to match the Greatsword AR?
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>>162266038
Totally. This is the second time it's happened to me, though. The first was with Ebrietas.
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>>162279805
Who gives a shit about astoras
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>>162279805
>How do we fix it ?
We don't, let it die
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>>162279805
It's still very light compared to other UGS
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>>162279805
One day I will go into the archives and compile a list of screencaps of all the shitters that said the unparriable and thrusting rolling attack was 'fine', 'not broken' and 'won't get patched'.

It's time to move on my dude.
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>>162279805
>waaah, they patched my literally bugged free 1k damage
Consider suicide
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Guys I have it

The new emote

Point up, turn 540degrees while pointing up, when your hand goes down quiet resolve as you walk away from them
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>>162280251
Or essentially, turn around as long as you're doing the point up, and turn your back to them and quiet resolve away
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>>162224125
>>162278120
we can't forget that ds1 is with dsfix and raise internal resolution on this pics. ds1 without mods looks like shit, blurry and washed out. Was it really hard to make the resolution match the internal resolution, or to make a internal resolution option?
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>>162280416
Doesn't change the fact that the source textures are higher res in many cases. And considering how easy it is to do and how literally everyone does it, comparing the base game would be disingenuous.
And I used an SMAA injector for DS2 as well. :^)
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>>162279231
I usually summon Solaire just for the free sunlight medal. It's not like he's that useful in any of his fights except Gargoyles.
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For fuck's sake stop posting my PSN or there will be hell to pay. I keep getting friend requests.
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>>162281086
that sounds like the opposite of a problem

what's your PSN?
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>>162281152
EmodragonZ
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When is the best time to grind blue sentinals in DaS3? I am slvl25 with +2 weapon and literally never getting summoned. Is it any better doing darkmoon at higher levels? Or should I just abandon hope and wait to farm Anor Londo knights?
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>>162281086
Post your PSN so I know which one to remove from my list.
I can't help you if I don't know which one you are.
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>>162267415
These are all hot-topic garbage-tier.

The "Nice chest ahead" one is the only one vaguely close to being good, if it wasn't for the shitty graphic you cant even tell what the fuck it is.
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>>162281086
Boohoo
>>162223961
How are invasions in this game? I haven't played since the summer.
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>>162279805
It still has the unique niches of being incredibly lightweight and having the Charge WA.
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>>162281206
>get concord well kept
>dupe the shit out of it
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>>162281206
The best way to do it is just leave the covenant on and let it happen while you progress. It's slow but you'll get there eventually. Not like you need DMB ASAP and farming knights is pure cancer.
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Snap Freeze is the only silent cloud spell for whatever reason. Even Warmth makes a sound that aggroes enemies. Did they even test this?
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>>162281413
Do you like getting gangbanged by the host + his 3 phantoms?
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I don't get summoning for help as the host at all, I like to summon people because it's fun to have others around and maybe fight some invaders, gesture spam, etc. But bosses always just seem way harder with phantoms than without, on my own they die so fast I feel like I barely ever even see any of their moves.
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>>162281086
Ahahahahaha sorry, someone was asking to trade Pure stones in Demon's Souls the other day and put their psn up so I couldn't resist.
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>>162281474
Not him but how?
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>>162281739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxWNxzxkX70
current patch, works on all platform afaik
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>>162281563
So it hasn't changed :(

Totally unrelated question but how easy/hard are low level runs of this game?
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>>162279936
>>162279947
>>162280114
>>162280197
>suggest that something should be done to make Astora GS viable again
>all the light weapon spamming autists with PTSD from the existance of an actually viable ultra that they couldn't just effortlessly shit on come out of the woodworks to spout their verbal diarrhea at me
Holy shit, calm yourselves, I'm not even asking for the thrust rolling attack back, I'm suggesting some changes because right now it has literally nothing going for it

The rolling attack was what made it the only viable Ultra since you couldn't just hug it without worry unlike now where the only consequence is taking 300 damage from as slow ass attack with no followup
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>pcfags unironically complaining about textures

holy shit i fucking hate my own system. good graphics were a fucking mistake
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>>162281927
Nice.
Now I'm not gonna spend more than a week waiting to darkmoon summon.
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>>162276892
sorry for the retarded question but what does + mean here?
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>>162282113
Weapon level which is linked to who you can and can't invade
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>>162282113
Weapon upgrade

>>162282064
>people like things that look good more than things that look bad
Woah, what a concept
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>>162282037
>base an entire new sorcery build on the Astora GS
>this patch comes out
>literally 12 hours of character building out the window
>mfw
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>>162282075
Well first you need to be lucky enough to get a well kept concord instead of regular one, but that's better than getting 30 of them anyway
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>>162282064
Good =/= Demanding.

However it often is because of shit programmers, sadly.
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>>162282037
if you think that AGS was the only ultra worth using youre bad and you should feel bad that you are a walking talking meme spawned from junds taint cheese and /dsg/ horseshit

it makes me kind of sad really
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HAVE THEY MADE MAGIC USEABLE?
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>>162282302
>>162282304
Thanks, didn't know that was even a factor.
Just completed the game and I want to make a new character for invasions, what SL should I stay at? And what are the best places for it?
I'm assuming there is no shit like SM in Ds3?
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>>162282304
you thick-headed cocksmoker don't memearrow me

the fact that shit POINTLESSLY READ: NOT FLUID FRAMERATES needs to look good at all beyond the bare minimum requirements for depth perception and other obvious shit needing to distinguish a tree from a wall from a player from a boulder is the most asinine fad that's come across in video games today

i wish graphics never improved beyond crysis. so fucking tired of retards thinking textures and pixel density matter at all

>>162282540
no. good graphics. we're already WAY beyond the minimum visual requirement to play a video game to it's fullest NECESSARY graphical extent
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>>162282406
How do you build sorcerer around ultra greatsword? Use DMB and pray to not run out of stamina after 2 attacks, because you didn't get 40 end?
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>>162282037
But you could hug it with a shield if you had enough end.
Actually, even if it wasn't patched, leo quills would still outtrade it.
AGS has 2 uses: it's the only useful elemental infusion UGS and it has charge
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>>162282501
Yeah sin just isn't a factor in this game anymore.
Or at least it isn't easy to find.
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>>162281547
Stealth is finally here.
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I just started a new game, going for a coop support Faith build, and after trying the Partizan through Undead Settlement I've come to really like the moveset.

How is the weapon in later levels?
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>>162282669
polygon density*****

i feel nothing but fucking rage and can hardly type straight
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>>162282785
Literally anything is viable in PVE
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>>162282785
it's pretty good but go quality/fai or dex/fai for the DSSS since it's a direct upgrade.

the weaponart is really trick to use though, imo
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>>162278298

Still makes me laugh every time I'm doing crux woods invasions and after looking around for the host for awhile all of a sudden I see his and his phantom's names pop up as they start losing health to poison. And me running gleefully over there with my obscuring ring and my 2H'd offhand manakin claws and my 99 purple moss.
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>>162282951
>direct upgrade
>when it has the shitty generic moveset
n a h
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>>162283112
It's one of the most versatile movesets in the game, what the fuck??? One handed spear moveset, Two-handed glaive moveset.

It also has a half-decent weapon art the buffs the weapon in addition to dealing potentially good damage.
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>>162281547
>>162282768

>tfw you invade a host and his phantom, and the host casts hidden body

You mages are a riot sometimes, like nigga I can still see you lol.
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>>162283425
I am retarded, I was thinking of the DSS. Although I do still think the Partizan has a better moveset, especially the WA.
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>>162283425
>swordspear WA
>ever hitting outside lag/ganks

If it had no WA but was buffable with bundles and resins it'd actually be stronger
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>>162282610

"No, but there are some exceptions that..."

*slams door*
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What a meme boss.
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>>162284076
This is for PvE

PvP with spears in CSSouls 3 is pointless
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>>162284276

Spears and pikes are great in DS3, git gud. You don't deserve my weaponfu anyways, good riddance.

Besides literally all you do is whip out an offhand thrusting sword and spears will shit all over curved swords. You either get outspaced by the spear/pike or you roll it and get penetrated vigorously by the estoc.
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>>162283859
What do you see as an invader when someone uses hidden body?
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>>162284276
Except the longer spears, like swordspear, are among the best weapons in the game, but not because of the shitty WA.
Lightning is also not among the better PvE elements anyway and you might as well just use GFS
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>>162284265

That whole area is emphatically garbage.

>A dozen tries and I have never cheesed the second worst boss in dark souls, and I had to learn how to fight him fair and square
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>>162284657
who is the worst
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>>162284535

Literally the same thing you see. You're transparent not invisible. Obscuring ring is literal invisibility as long as you are outside of a certain range (which is cool for things like washing pole and offhand crossbow).
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>>162284276
>Spears
>ever bad for PvP in Souls history
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>>162284657
>a dozen tries
You just grab the robes, run back to the fog, hit his arm when he jumps over. It ain't rocket science.
I killed him "legit" my first time just for fun and it was pretty easy anyways.
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>>162282785
sluggish compared to spears; LKLS is the only good pike weapon, outside of that it's better to go for spears instead of pikes

though you don't really need a "good" weapon for PvE in general

>>162284076
This, fuck the DSSS WA. It only lasts like 30 seconds I think, and the AR is subpar without it. Why can't I have an immolation tinder with the DSSS moveset?

>>162284265
Cutting off his arm and fighting it is actually pretty cool, but I didn't learn that you could do that until my second playthrough, and he's overall a shit boss.

Nice "chaos blade" by the way
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>>162284730
Bed of Bullshit?
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>>162284810

Spears are noob traps though, to be fair. You can say R1 spam is begging to be parried on basically anything but it's especially true for spears because of how one dimensional their moveset is and how for some reason you can still parry them from a million miles away at the tip of their hitbox, which also seems to linger longer than most other weapons.

Once you pick up a shield or just git gud at playing around parrying in general though they're unironically the best weapons in the game. It's why so many people unzip the caestus when they see a spear user because generally speaking that's the only way most people think they have a realistic shot at winning.
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Am I softbanned? I can't seem to get summoned through white sign or darkmoon, despite being 110
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>>162284993
Nigga that ain't a pike
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>>162284848

I run, he does his ranged attack, and never follows me me

And this is with light armor(pyromancer set), not Havel's

>>162284730

Bed of Chaos
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>>162285250
Did you grab the robes or did you aggro him with a bow or something? I think he doesn't try to jump if you don't grab the robes.
Don't see what Havel's has to do with it.
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>>162285136
doesn't the partizan have a pike moveset though?
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>>162285136

LKLS is literally a pike-class weapon in DaS3. The name is Long Spear but it's a pike, and has the pike moveset. This is a fact.

Also the 1H slower attacks really aren't that bad especially if you abuse staggered R2's like you're supposed to. You can even pair it with a shield and abuse turtlepokes which don't suffer from less speed or offhand weapons like ultra weapons that benefit from the LKLS poise buff or thrusting swords which equally benefit from leo ring.
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How good is meme king's lightning swordspear?

I never touched but I'm interested since it might be a decent PvE and pvp-lite weapon
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>>162279805
It weighs fucking nothing, anon. There had to be one mediocre UGS for lightweight builds and they picked the AGS to fit the bill.
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>>162285573
Nigga that ain't an LKLS.

>>162285562
Are you high?
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>>162285562
no it's more like a spear/glaive combo. Main problem is it does less damage than other spears and is shorter, the cost of having horizontal moves, unparriable spin2win, and super low stat requirements.
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>>162285562
No. It has a normal spear with spin WA and swipe R2s.

>>162285573
>that one autist who needs to praise lkls at every chance even if it's about the partizan
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>>162285639
fun moveset but the weaponart feels like a hindrance rather than a bonus sine it's nessecary to always have your buff active if you want to do decent damage. I think the buff scales with faith though, while it was active I would get some good numbers on my 26/40 25 fai character. I just switch back and fourth between GFS and TPGS now though.
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>>162285786
>less
That's not how you spell "more"
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>>162285736

I thought he was suggesting the LKLS not saying the partizan was a pike, my bad.
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>>162285418

I didn't grab the robes, maybe that's what's doing it.
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>>162285736
>forget about a weapons moveset
>duuuudee howw hiiiiigh do you have to beee to doooooo thaaaat?

>>162285786
>>162285859
thanks
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>>162285039
partizan has an unparriable WA though, and imo the most fun moveset of any spear in the game

I tend not to use thrusting weapons but the rhh and partizan are awesome
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>charcoal pine resin is far and away the best looking buff in DS1
>it's completely fucking worthless five minutes after it becomes available and there's no higher-end fire buff spell
why god
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Sl26 is just the best fucking low-level to play at
>is the first level to be able to invade down three sl, goes as far down as 25 so may as well add that 26th point and invade in the settlement
>is the highest level an sl6 can invade, which is the lowest level a twink will be aside from actual sl1's (deprived +5 yoel = 6, 6 is the first to invade down 1, the lowest non-deprived class is sl5), making it also work as an ideal antitwink in the highwall
>deals with antitwinks well since it can hit 27 vigor easily, meaning antitwinks who've dumped more than you won't have as much an advantage as they would if you were a lower level twink where their extra couple levels of vig are huge
>after going to 27 vig with the chain, you can have 26 endurance, one of the few levels which gives 4 stamina with favor +2, and on top of that you've got two levels left over for 12 faith to use raw astora
I feel like I've made a perfectly round snowball, and I just can't stop rubbing it in spite of how plain it is
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>>162285562
>>162285786
I've no access to the weapons right now, what's the actual difference between pikes and spears? Are pikes slower?
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>>162286064

I never really liked the partizan because of the length, but i love the halberd and RH halberd. charge has insane HA and is really underrated, jund made some videos about it recently.

You should really give the LK Long Spear a try though, the R2 is insane and a lot of fun.
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>NG+
>smouldering lake
>ballista shots the floor and it collapses with me falling down into demon ruins
wait what? are you telling me this was the intended way of doing demon ruins? i just ran past the worm, did the demon king boss and went into the ruins... i guess i now get why it all felt so strange first time around i went through that area.
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>>162286139
>carthus flame arc
>bundles

there are otions. Besides the utility of flame buffs/resins sells itself with pus of men, and any other enemies that have a scripted reaction to fire
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>>162286548
pikes have slower 1h pokes
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>>162286783
Yes
But literally no one does it
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Whoah wtf Eygon is still summoned in my world after crystal sage boss fight. Is this supposed to happen?
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>>162286792
>Ds1
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>>162286783
Both ways are viable.
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>>162286139
DaS1 couldn't have had a weapon buff pyromancy because pyromancy didn't scale off any stat in DaS1. There would be no reason not to use it on a quality, DEX, or STR build.
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>>162286783
it's actually the fastest way to get all of the estus items; run to the cave-in area, drop down, run to the nearest bonfire, open the illusionary wall, run down the hallway with the slimes on the ceiling, get the item, run back, jump out the window, get the other item, run up the stairs to the bonfire near the sandworm, then kill it for the last one and go into the bossfog if you want
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>>162286783
Where is that? I could've sworn I explored all of that surface area but I never found that
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>>162286917
no, but see if you can bring him to abyss watchers
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>>162286691
Ive used it plenty. My 40/40 lancer build has the rhh, winged spear, partizan, lkls, drang twins, and follower slabbed

Ive gotten to where I just use the rhh for how effective it is, the twins and partizan when I want fun. the others kind of fell by the wayside for various reasons but mostly because they just got boring with the movesets

I know were both anon but we have actually had the same conversation a couple of times recently
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>>162286783
I don't get it.
Webm?
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>>162287158
Not unless you're a scrublord who can't make the jump to get to the shard from the other side of the hole.
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>>162286407

36 +4 is actually objectively the best, it's where real and legitimate invasion play starts (instead of going against noobs who literally just got the game and have no idea what they're doing while you have a DS axe) while allowing for the stats to use a wide variety of weapons and builds (using prisoner's chain and 1 or more stat rings usually) and allows for a wide variety of areas to invade (crux woods, farron swamp, cathedral, catacombs). Crux woods is important too if you want to do invasion covenant invasions (either being a watchdog or having watchdogs to potentially back you up against ganks).

>>162286548

Pikes are long and have higher damage than spears a lot of the time, pure physical damage too not split, and have slightly slower 1 handed attacks and a difficult to use min-charge running R1 as a cost for having a unique R2 which is insane in the right hands and the longest reaching attack in the game because of the huge fuck-off step you take while doing it on top of the pike's natural length.

Only use the LKLS, the Pike and Greatlance are both garbage and actually for some reason shorter than the LKLS. I usually use it 2 handed or 1 handed with an offhand shield (turtlepokes [attacking while holding your guard up] don't suffer an attack speed penalty and are actually very fast), estoc, or knight's crossbow with lightning bolts. When you git gud you can use the pike 2 handed most of the time and switch to 1 handed to use your offhand stuff or to play around parrying or quickpoke someone or fire off a bolt and reload, and then switch back to 2 handing very quickly.
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>>162276314
god, i wish that were me
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>>162286937
im a fucking idiot
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Is the partizan any good in DS3?
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>>162287319

I'm not surprised considering a lot of people here are regulars, it's even more apparent when you post webms as often as I do.

LKLS was my first love and will always be my weaponfu. I also feel like the R2 and even to some degree the running R1 (it's actually really good since you run sonic fast when you use it, insane for chasing down hosts trying to run away) will forever be underappreciated, which is fine by me because it means Jund will never make a video on it and I can keep my weaponfu to myself.
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>>162287283
I probably could but then I would be afraid of getting invaded and him getting killed. Plus poison will rape him.

On my way to cathedral of the deep with him now. He almost an hero'd trying to kill the crystal lizards.
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>>162287576
Literally just read up dude
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>>162286783
I did that are twice without ever finding that collapsable floor part. The third time I had a phantom show me the area.
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HITBOX PORN
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>>162287586
Aaaaand he can't cross the bridge.
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>>162287576

This guy...
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>>162287087
>DaS1 couldn't have had a spell pyromancy because pyromancy didn't scale off any stat in DaS1. There would be no reason not to use it on a quality, DEX, or STR build.
>DaS1 couldn't have resins because resins didn't scale off any stat in DaS1. There would be no reason not to use it on a quality, DEX, or STR build.
hurr
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>>162287225
around here
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>>162287821
FORGETTING TO ATTACH WEBM PORN
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>>162287639
I'm dyslexic... Could you please put it in a few words?
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>>162287905
Resins cost souls per use and take up inventory space. They are also weaker in DaS1 than weapon buff spells. Even the rare lightning pine resin pales in comparison to CMW, DMB, and SLB.
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>>162288023
>chaos
what the hell is wrong with you
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>>162287905
Resins scale with nothing. Pyros scale with flame level.
It's disgusting that black flame's usefulness is comparable to spells you need to invest stats into and putting something to compete for free with dmb and cmw would suck as well
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>>162288189
>he doesn't pick some random shit for each NG and stick with it no matter how bad it is against some bosses
do u even fun lmoa
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Any DaS1 nerds up for telling me what the differences are for someone who started with DaS3 (though I've played it for over 500 hours now) and is just starting DaS1 for the first time?
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>>162288327
Its much slower paced.
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Best SL for low level pvp in DS3?
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>>162288327
Why would you want to spoil it for yourself? Just go play.
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>>162288449
Fair enough but that means nothing to me without some elaboration, hopefully with some compare and contrast to DaS3.

>>162288539
Not really looking for spoilers just looking for explanations on how the stats and mechanics are different.
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>>162288327
Don't eat fire keeper souls, use them to upgrade estus
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>>162288469
16 and under for highwall twinking >>162286407 if you want to have people to bully in both the highwall (via antitwinking) settlement) twinking and keep (more or less fair at this point, I even use sl26 in the cathedral), and >>162287354 if you want to actually be a fully fledged watchdog and catch people on their way back from the cathedral instead of just new arrivals
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>>162288327
Only thing you need to know is that armor actually matters in DaS1.
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This was as far as I made it with Eygon. He just vanished as soon as I went for cathedral bonfire
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>>162288469
sl59 wl10 to catch slab memers
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>>162224413
>eastern gloves are just cloth
>grants 2 poise

>HLA with metal shoulder pads
>0 poise

explain that
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>>162288996
>>162288996
>>162288996
New Thread
>>162288996
>>162288996
>>162288996
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>>162288327
Don't level up resistance, but don't worry about picking a starting class with high resistance because your starting resistance doesn't increase your starting soul level

poise is more meaningful in 1

that's about all you need to know
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>>162288790
What weapon upgrade lvl if I do this? >>162286407
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>>162289049
Yeah nah
>>162289091
>>162289091
>>162289091
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>>162288296
>projecting
>using a non scaling infusion
>so you can pump vit
>not going through the game with an unupgraded broken ss
yeah, i guess you really need that double digit damage, bruh. scared of swinging a few extra times?
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>>162288327
Enemies have worse AI
You have poise
Don't waste titanite on armor
You have less heals

If you feel stuck against unreasonably tough enemies (as in; way too much HP and damage that the pacing seems odd), exploration is the key.
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>>162288683
Here's some off the top of my head:
Most of stuff stats-wise is fairly straightforward, the game doesn't use embers but humanity, which will stack and also increase your item discovery and curse resist and chaos damage. Humanity is also used to kindle/upgrade bonfires, increasing number of estus uses. Amount of estus refill is tied to each different bonfire and they need to be kindled separately.
Weapon upgrade materials aren't just normal titanite and twinkling, different paths require different coloured titanite.
Armor matters, you can also upgrade them, poise is a real thing in das1 compared to 3.
Even though firelink shrine serves as a hub, most merchants and stuff won't be at the shrine but stay in their spots around the world.
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>>162286139
only shitters use buffs.
upgrade your weapons to crystal and git gud.
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>>162289343
>>162289105
>>162288848
>>162288746
>>162288449
>>162289739

Thanks senpaitachi
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>>162288164
Good damage
Great moveset
Mediocre range
Waifu material
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>>162291451
Best infusion for a low SL build?
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