Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

Chronomancers are the cutest!

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Cyclone nerf here in video form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UCUlBRYIjk

For those who don't play Doppel:

Previously: 52 hits
Now: 21 hits

This means they just nerfed Cyclone's damage by around: 60%-70%

Added 5 AoE ratio to compensate which is literally nothing to any geared Doppel.

Korean patch note source: http://tos.nexon.com/community/tosnotice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=563

Google translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftos.nexon.com%2Fcommunity%2Ftosnotice%2Fview.aspx%3Fn4ArticleSN%3D563

>Doppel - No more auto attacking during cyclone

Officially it is listed as a bugfix.

A moment of silence for all Doppel, RIP.

How many more threads will this general last?

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Old F.O.E discord officially dead, Cat's chatroom is the new hotness. Hey, at least the people in it are playing the game.

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>>161613708
>People made Doppel3 instead of Fencer3
>tfw

>>161613583
You don't need any str investment, the passive alone is enough to shred through anyone's block. Only maybe a full con priest 3 with stone skin on can realistically block Catas and it's still not that likely. You get more bonus points the more you invest in a single stat, if you drop 50 points into str you'll probably regret it.

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>>161613839
>Fencer3 nerfs coming soon

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>>161613708
>>Frenzy
>Barbarian attack skills now refresh the duration of frenzy, but dont increase the stack level. We now can have frenzy 10 up 100% of the time with a newly added C3 Frenzy attribute.

>>Embowel
>Stuns targets for 2 seconds per stack of Frenzy (1/4th the value in PVP)
>10 stacks = 4 seconds of stun in PVP, 20 in PvE. One point wonder skill.

>>Stomping Kick
>Stomping Kicks AoE attack increases by 2 per level of Frenzy. Still a shit skill.

>>Cleave
>+10 Crit rate per skill level (+200 critical rate at max rank)
>Buff duration still shit at 4 seconds, but glad the crit rate went from 50 to 200.

>>Helm chopper
>Looks like its going to increase the stun length based on frenzy stacks, but thats not how the update reads; it reads as if its improving helm chopper stun rate based on frenzy, but that doesnt make sense since helm has 100% stun.

>>Seism
>When used with 5 stacks skill transforms to "Crag" or "Cataclysm" not familiar with this character, based on the word used i assume this means the AOE of seisim is going up by alot.
>Could also mean the skill gives Frenzy 5 stacks or simply makes the skill into a big AoE hit at 5.

>>Giant swing
>Deals damage to the target per revolution now.
>Has some kind of interaction with Frenzy, stating 2x of Frenzy stacks are added as damage per rotation.

>>Pouncing
>Stamina consumption reduced.
>Increased rate of stun to 6% per skill level, also gains an extra 6 % per stack of Frenzy.
>Skill never stunned so this is confusing as shit. Skill description on iTOS states it does more dmg to stunned.
>Have to see.

>>161613591
if you think im being a shitter for not fighting in TBL when its been broken for 2 weeks straight then i literally dont give a fuck
>>161613830
this happened like literally 6 months ago, i just put him on ignore and that was it. however he took it personal and chose to constantly spam and slander my name in tosg + shout chat and did nothing but spout lies just to try and "get back" at me for it
somebody has a compilation of 3j's autism. a lonely but heroic anon who chose to simply stand next to 3j at bee farm and got 20+ replies of hatred.
if you dont think 3j does this when people are here seeing me tell 3j to kill himself and almost everyone is saying "wow youre just like 3j" then i think thats enough proof. even his guild says so.
i have no intentions of telling anyone but 3j to fuck off and die. think of me like trump, hes allowed to ridicule rosie o' donnell, 3j is tosg's rosie o' donnell.

>>161614085
I think I read the cataclysm will be strike

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>>161613708
>>161614085
That's it from me. See you guys tomorrow.

Goodnight /tosg/.

Also I love all the guild drama you guys have. Gives me something to read while I do dailies while I get shit on by people on my server when they wake up..

t. Literally-Who

>>161613803
>afking on bees/DP
>"playing the game"
Sure...

t. LeCreme

>>161613610
http://pastebin.com/zbhmzVKQ

Dec. 1st patch notes are translated.

>>161614385
most people in there are not 3j
in fact only 1 person in there is 3j

>>161614257
and again, i know i said earlier was the last time but some fuckwads cant seem to read past two sentences
this all happened 6 months ago about, but i have no intentions of doing anything but telling 3j he is a piece of shit. i dont care how long ago it was.
he does not shitpost about me anymore publicly. because hes too busy doing damage control in official forums for being exposed as a botter (which he brags about here)
lets see if 3j replies for the 5th time (im counting the past 3+ months) of him saying "wow swaaz u r retarded im not shitposting about you im never here" and purposely chooses to disregard the fact ive stated multiple times that im talking about before he even joined ohgayou. this happened ages ago.
its old news. but it doesnt change the type of person he is, he lies then plays the victim card. atleast im man enough to stand by my words
pussy footed faggot fairy

>>161614596
3j is actually the only person there not botting

>>161613803
>Exclusive wind god title

better hurry up on that before someone else takes it

>>161614493
>Raise:
>Enemies caught in raise will now have their evasive stats set to 0,

Phew, now I can just walk away from the keyboard if I get hit by magnetic force instead of wandering if I might survive.

>can't get over something from 6 months ago
>constantly namedrops, spaaz and spam today
>i-it's a joke to keep thread alive :D

>>161614493
Corsair:
Pirate Effects:
- Corsair Circle 1 'Pillage' Attribute has been added. (The effect of the existing Jolly Roger Loot Effect will be removed)
- Corsair Rank 1: Existing Jolly Roger Lv 5
- Corsair Rank 2: Existing Jolly Roger Lv 10
- Corsair Rank 3: Existing Jolly Roger Lv 15

Oh, thank god, instead of buffing Corsair C3, they'll just remove it from the game.

>>161614804
im not joking, damage control for 3j is a new low for this discord clique community

>>161614794
God forbid if a support class can actually support their team, right

>>161614493
Oh my god.

Wugushi:
Poison Damage:
- The enhance attribute for skills Needle Blow & Wuguong Gu will be changed to now apply on the final damage calculation and not just the skill damage.

OH MY GOD

>>161614257
>if you think im being a shitter for not fighting in TBL when its been broken for 2 weeks straight then i literally dont give a fuck
Fucking stupid piece of shit I'm saying you're a fucking shitter for being an asshole sore loser manchild for the entire time TBL has been around

>>161615178
seems legit
sorry for not being a kissass
show me on the doll where the TBL minigame triggered you

>>161614945
I'll take the bait since you're not joking. 3j was and may still be a retard, but he doesn't even post or stir shit nowadays. In every recent thread, you're the one bringing it up every chance possible and getting triggered over things that happened so fucking long ago. I'm in DC and no one bothers to discuss about this.

>>161614493
Why the FUCK did they buff Raise.

Ein Sof: Heavy Recovery Attribute has been added.
(Doubles the effects of HP Recovery effects whilst under the [Ein Sof] buff.)

Hehehehehehe.

>>161615095
Yeah clearly the class just won't function unless it has 20 seconds of unblockable AoE CC that also removes the ability to dodge and doubles all incoming damage from archers while having a hitbox roughly the size of Mars.

>>161615696
This means they get an insane damage buff with a certain necklace.

It's a literal buff to Clerics again and Raise buffed up is just another retarded effect.

>>161615746
How else will we beat the gayness that is Ausrine?

>>161615816
I think that means they heal twice as much from heal tiles etc, not that their HP recovery stat is doubled.

>>161614314
>guild drama
swaaz and 3j arguing has nothing to do with guilds

>>161615848
This buff doesn't even do anything to help vs. Ausrine it just makes targets who already can take damage more vulnerable. The solution to one class being overbearing is not to make another class that is slightly less overpowered more overpowered.

>>161614610
>happened 6 months ago
>6 months ago
>counting the past 3+ months
>3+ months
I don't understand this kind of mindset, do you seriously hold grudges against people who wrong you on the internet for this long

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>>161615957
I don't know what to call it. I do enjoy it. I can't take part in any of this. It's kind of funny. Sometimes I'll reply randomly to someone in the midst of all this drama and drop names that appeared and get a lot of (You)'s while not having any idea who is or what is happening.

t. Kirito DC Admin Muhammud Swaaz Azebu Dvine Murbish 3Jane Cattly Lolipantsu

Now you can use me as a scapegoat and stop fighting.

>>161616381
>spoiler
Nice try faggot, but this shit will not end soonish

>>161616630
well I hope not but also I hope there was more discussion about the game

>>161616381
>>161616381
Only if you become my crush faggot.

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Quality boss AI.

Also Harpeia is stacked.

Never noticed.

>>161618163
she has a nice pair of tits, never noticed

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>>161618163

Think I'm done awakening anything until it's buffed. I've yet to see anything worth the -1 potential.

>>161613385
>>161614085
So High1Barb3Fencer3 is viable now? I'm leveling a Sw3Pelt1Cor1 variant but Pouncing with a rapier must be amazing and really fun.

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>>161614493
>Hexen Dropped with pistol
>Pistol Shot Ricochet is like an oblique shot, maybe?
>Doppels doing much less hits, finally not pants-on-head retarded
>Cryo skills with more OHs and less cooldowns
>Raise buffed(why?)
>Wugu attributes changed somehow, I don't get what changed
>Cannon skilsl can be used while Kneeling Shooting
>Massive scaling buffs to all Cannon skills
>Capture now only captures 1 skill per level, if I get this right
>All the Barb buffs already listed in the thread

I liked it.

>>161618845
Fuck you mean? It's always been viable just not as good as the pelt version due to added evasion from guardian

Assuming I want to use the character primarily for PvE, what's a good filler rank for Cleric 2>Priest>Paladin 3>X>Inquisitor? Is Monk worthwhile for the armor break ability combined with breaking wheel?

Also does Iron skin even work? Seems like neat utility if nothing else.

>>161618845

no, lol this is still shit

I mean, barb is amazing but when you get to fencer 3, you'll be a slave to epee garde so you'll only spam pierce attacks. downtime is so small that it barely matters. barb 3 at least has frenzy and warcry that is really a huge physical attack burst, but that's it.

even on a cloth mob (resist pierce), pierce will outdps slash (weak to slash) 90% of the time

>>161618912
>Cannon buffs
Still pretty mediocre, the sp consumption of cannon skills is fucked compared to what they put out. Cannon shot would be good if it costs a half of what it costs now with these buffs.

Wugu attribute was only factored the skills base damage before, now it will be like a normal attribute and count everything such as phys attack.

I hope the cannon buffs make enough of a difference, the jumping out of bazooka and it interacting with running shot may make cannon2 not a kys tier class.

>>161618912
Wugushi poison didn't scale with attribute levels, only the very first tick. This change is fucking massive for Wugushi.

It's not Hexen Dropper with Pistol, that already worked. It's Dual Weapon Assault, which is complete dog shit even if it does work with Pistol.

>>161613610
>No Tels guild in the OP

Comfy isn't dead. They're just full at the moment.

>>161619901
oracle seems like the best dip

>>161621662
Full of fucking retards. At least they erp well enough.

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>>161618163
harpies always in every game are like that but I never noticed she had a face

>>161620635
Doesn't matter. Wugushit will always be shit. One change won't save you.

>>161624317
I'm going to wugushit on you in damage, bitchboy. Hope you like rerolling, I'm about to redefine the meta.

>>161624317
>wugu attributes apply properly now
>wugu can no longer cuck each other
>10k+ poison ticks

Yeah sure sure faggot, even in current game wugu can carry a shitter all the way to R8

>>161624353
Enjoy doing 4.5k damage ticks instead of 3k ticks with your Wugushit while everyone else is critting 150k with their R8 skills.

Why the fuck do you archers expect your Rank 2 and Rank 4 classes to be somehow super fucking viable the entire game? You have to be retarded.

You expect IMC to cater to you every patch and it's laughable.

>where's muh wuguboosts
>where's muh quarrel boost
>waah waaah I need a new grand crosss waaaah
>waah I can't be nr1 in boss fights with my rank 4 skills waaah
>I don't want to roll mergen waaah waaah

Fucking grow up.

>>161624746

actually no, it'll be 30-40k per tick

>>161624746

>3k at lv 180
>30k+ with 315 bow, new red gems and 70% attributes

that's pretty nice

>>161624918
>>161625007
nice proofs

even if that's the case every other build in the game will far exceed your damage with same gear

>>161625201

It's 15k per poison applied on top of whatever skill you're using, the fact that poisons don't overwrite each others now makes wugushi futureproof.

How does property damage interact with damage types?

Example: I have 1k physical attack and an arde dagger for 190 fire damage. I attack a plate type enemy with a strike attack. Does my attack do (1k x 1.5)+190 damage, or does my attack do 1.5(1k+190)?

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>>161624746
>while everyone else is critting 150k with their R8 skills.

>>161625201

anon pls

takes 3 seconds to apply all the dots and then you go back to your other stronger skills rotation
archers aren't fencers who can just composee 24/7

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>>161625673
no archers are not fencers at all

archers are actually shit

>>161625776

fletcher 3 still outdps fencer senpai until a new rapier comes

and then a new rapier will not have the +2 to all skills

and then they fix the snapshot bug (like running shot)

doppel died today

so whatever

>>161614052

Glad i quited this game even if that happens

>>161625867
don't worry

fletcher "bug fixes" coming soon

>>161625867
>fletcher
at least they dont lvlup after R7 anymore

>>161625356
Modifiers like armor properties come near the end of the formula. Almost every sort of thing that multiplies damage is near the end.

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/damage-guide-the-big-formula-modifier-types-and-how-they-interact/118950

With few little notes:
1. Property attacks are basically just subtracted from property resistance and then added to your damage after your crit. (so if you crit with your 1k attack, it would be ((1k*1.5crit) + 190)*1.5armor

2. Since they're just part of your damage, it doesn't matter what element they are.

3. In the case of elemental based attacks, such as extra lines, the element of the line is what matters (Using a cafrisun set, the whole extra line is earth damage, even the 190 from arde.)
I don't know if melee attacks become fire or lightning during enchant fire or lightning, but the same would apply there.

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>Dethrone is a ranged attack, its now Missile type

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>go to bot report forum
>report this obvious botter

>weeks later
>see others have reported him too

>3+ threads over this one guy botting / multi-account
>all full of evidence / videos / screenshots

>see my thread completely ignored by GMs
>GM_Francais responds to other thread with a @GM_Francais

"Upon further investigation we verified that your reported player is legitimate. However, we will be sure to remind the player to avoid using any third party program."

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/eu-schwarznaggers-bot-army/338474/26
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/fedimians-bot-family-of-actionheroes/338677
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/macro-botting-vedas-plateau-fedimian/337503

Jesus fucking Christ guys. Is this GM either retarded or is he telling us using bots is completely fine?

>>161628005
Basically GM's have a rule:
>Is this bot an apparent gold seller account?
>If so: Ban

>Is this bot a player?
>If so: Don't ban.
>Go talk to them.
>Say "bad player, don't bot"
>Move on.

Basically it's fine to use bot programs in ToS. It's completely allowed and if you get caught they just remind you not to bot anymore. Then you just go back to botting.

>Bosses can drop talt

uhmm tostards?

Wait, isn't seism dealing 5hits under the wild buff actually a nerf, since it's a fake multihit, since the basic skill attack is spread over 5 hits and now actually takes longer to reach its full dmg?

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>Recently, the Taiwanese server of Tree of Savior has launched the Rank 8 update with the level cap for characters being raised to 330. The lucky Taiwanese fans got a chance to chat with the “Father of Ragnarok Online” Mr Hakkyu Kim and learned about some future plan on the Rank 9 classes, pvp balance and more.

>The Q&A below is selected and roughly translated from an interview between the Taiwanese fans and the developer team.

>Q1: The appearances of each class are very similar, is it possible to have more diversified changes in eyes, nose, mouth and face shape?

>A1: Fashion (costume) is the major way to distinguish one class from another, and we’ll stick with this idea.

>Q2: Players can only jump over a place instead of walking, will it be optimized?

>A2: The old map can’t be adjusted owning to the change of topographical design will affect the underlying architecture, but we’ll try to avoid these problems when designing new maps.

>Q3: We hope the classes can be more balanced, and each of them has unique skills to overwhelm others in PvP. For example, Mage has a big advantage in PvE, while Mage will be vulnerable when PvP is opened.

>A3: The balance of PvP will be optimized before PvP system arrives. And our PvP balance development will focus on 3v3 and 5v5.

>Q4: Can we expect the Rank 9, Rank 10 classes in the future?
>A4: We are developing the Rank 9 classes.

>Players found many bugs in the update, so the developer team said Rank 9 classes would arrive slower in order to fix bugs and maintain the game’s stability.

All I want to know is why is one guys face censored? Ashamed of being part of the team or the lucky guy who got to ask these important questions?

Why am I still not asleep and posting this on a dead general...

>A4: We are developing the Rank 9 classes.

Awwww shit

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>>161631901
>old info the post

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>>161632026

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>>161632201
>exploitable.png for all your needs

>>161632201
Hue, this little qt kim makes me happy. May he take away all my pain and suffering

>>161631901
>All I want to know is why is one guys face censored?
It's the taiwanese whale

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im bored

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kims face makes me happy tho

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>>161631901

>All this metashitters crying doppel got fixed to its intended design.

>>161635039
B-but muh 2.5mil damage in 4 seconds of spinning!

>>161635408
Reroll to fencer scrub or better yet got full con squire-murm

>>161635436
B-but it's not my playstyle! Doppel press a few buttons then spin2win is all I want to do, why IMC "fix" doppel and make it shit tier! Boo hoo nerf-ahem-fix fencer too. IMC'd again xd IMC is just cucking me obviously

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>>161613610
Looking to the OP recently it feels good.
I tried to warn fellow europeans to not start on Fedimian or to not transfer from Klaipeda to what was bound to become a meme server but idiots didn't listened and now they are gone, good riddance

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>>161636141
>feels good
>fellow
>idiots
Feels good to be retarded imbecile?

>>161637065
upset you are now stucked on dead server?

>>161637806
Not playing dead games.
Still better then high ping server.

This is all theorycrafting, but consider the following

Cannon 2 is a shit class, no doubt about that
Bazooka is a shit skill, no doubt about that

HOWEVER

If you can use Bazooka while Broom Trap is active the same way you would kneeling shot with Broom, then you are increasing Broom Trap's damage by 5k, which means its a 6k base damage Broom without attributes, it lasts 15 seconds, has unlimited AOE, and you can just protect yourself inside a barrier, not to mention cheap attributes


and this is all without the 2x damage attribute in ktos

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>>161638069
It does work for Kneeling Shot, don't see why it wouldn't work with Bazooka.

>>161638069
You can use Bazooka on west woods and put a a heavy object on letter Z for fast boaters

>>161638069
>12k damage broom traps
>lasts 15 seconds
>unlimited AOERATIO
>cheap to level


DOPPEL FAGS ON SUICIDE SQUAD

CLARIIIIN-N! Tell us where will you play next, I will go there too!

>Cannon getting mediocre buffs that won't help anything

>MASSIVE BUFFS
16% more damage on a skill that could already hit damage cap(Cannon Blast) will SURE help.

I already hit the damage cap with cannon blast and it's not even that hard, any buff to cannon blast will be irrelevant unless its more hits or if they remove the 199 999 damage cap.

>Rogue most fun skill getting heavily nerfed

Rogue:
Capture: Fixed error where at level 1, you could capture more than 1 ability.

Alright, I'm done.

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>>161638967
Why? I'm playing TOS and have no plans to quit any time soon.

>>161639213
are you eu grill? or grill(boy)?

>>161639213
Nice, I should always know where you are.

If they just made if so your auto attacks are bazooka (you can move and use skills, no minimum range), cannon2 would only be average instead of straight up bad (qs3 would be required)

The alternative method would be massive buffs to cannon shot / cannonade - no one uses the other skills except for PvP and cannon blast already hits the cap

Or they would have to buff smoke (like make it hit bosses and flying and unable to resist) and remove the 199,999 damage cap

>>161639528
also fix shoot down to actually make flying units into ground units in its duration so they can be hit by broom trap

Bazooka should be fixed, and as you said it should allow the players to move and use skills, but I would argue to only make Cannon and Sapper skills usable instead of making everything available during that mode

>>161639626
It's pretty obvious bazooka needs to be fixed

That's why I don't understand why they made it so you can use cannon skills (except smoke + bazooka) in kneeling shot in the newest ktos patch.

It's basically abandoning bazooka completely

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What's this new meme?
It's like swaaz and atom had a baby. Well, two babies.

>>161639528
>>161640075

you mean smoke grenade, the only thing that buffs Cannon skills dont work on bosses?

WHY

>>161640141
It's 8s + SkillLvl on a small AOE, 33s cooldown that takes 1-2s to deploy.

It doesn't affect bosses and flying.

To add insult to injury, sometimes ground mobs will resist it.

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>It's a magburk stunlocks you to death with fireballs episode

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Api please come back!! We miss you!!

>>161636141
if people listened to you they would be stuck on a dead NA server with high pings and no one to play it during their primetime
you're actually retarded

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>>161639213
do you hate me clarin or you enjoy bullying me?
how do I get on the not-hated-by clarin list?

>>161641782
literally who

>>161642507
>If Euros all played on NA, they'd have no Euros to play with at Euro hours

>>161642881
Retarded frogposter

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=753

>>161643024
>Height 2m57
when will they learn...

>>161643091
For one thing she's floating half a meter off the ground and has horns bigger than her head.

I'd say she would be around 170-180cm

>>161642979
>if all euros played on dedpedo it wouldn't be dedpedo no moar
no shit retard

>ud have 10 other euro's to play with while the rest of the server is ded at burgerland night time
yah nah thanks faggot I wanna get my dailies dont not hang around on a empty server at their night time

>>161643024
>lore
>in a shitty korean grinder

>>161643208
>yah nah thanks faggot I wanna get my dailies dont not hang around on a empty server at their night time
Never had that issue on NA.

Enjoy your dead server, feditard.

>>161643260
>I never had any issues
now I know you're lying

enjoy burgerhours and play at 4 am to get ur saalus runs

meanwhile I login right after work and get 10 saalus runs done just like that no problem

>>161643335
ok champ

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>>161642881
No clue who you are so can't comment on specifics, but there's not really anyone that I hate.

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>>161643392
that's good enough for me

>>161643392
Do you love somebody?

>>161643024
>>161643091
>Alluring Arachnid Demon
She's like a deathweaver?

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>>161643548
I love (You).

>>161643024
>2m75cm

She's nearly twice the height of an average woman?

>>161635408
14 seconds anon
14

>>161643362
must be torture to be you posting at these hours and being the only retard on klaipeda

then again server has to be empty right now so you ain't got much else to do but shitpost

>>161643910
k

>>161643951
I'm here for you anon.

Tell us, where you from dude?

Sweden? Germany? Norway?

>Shitpost
>Ignored
>Reply to self
>Cry a lot
Getting real tired of those people in this thread.

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>>161643024
>Ran out of made up Q&A questions that no one asked
>Now lets give out some useless information that no one cares for

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>Absolute "royalty"

>>161644436
It seems kind of contrary to in game information too.

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>>161643580
And I love you, Afkarion.

>people unironically think iron hook is ok

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>>161644902
>Iron Hook being a problem
>Limited targets, easily disturbed, hard to land skill-shot, on a class that has no other redeeming qualities otherwise
>When Raise, Magnetic Force, Ice Tree, Restrain Rush, Retrieve, Coursing exist

>>161644902
>people unironically play pvp

>>161644902

It is, lol. It's the only tool foot swordsman have, and it's "hard" to aim.

It will only be a real problem when lots of other thing gets deleted from the game.

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What do you think next weeks useless info is going to be about?

My bet is on potion uses

>>161645160
>hard to land
>"""""skill"""""shot
Are you niggas turning its attribute off or something?
It's only hard to land if you have the attribute off, in which case it only targets one mob and you must land it on top of them.
With the attribute you literally just click in the opponent's general direction and it'll latch even if they're a mile away from where you targeted.

>Raise
Can be cured
>Magnetic Force
Lasts like 3 seconds top, subject to AoE ratio
>Ice Tree
Pain barrier
>Restrain Rush
Pain Barrier
>Retrieve Coursing
Pet is stunned in one hit from any R8 skill

Meanwhile, iron hook
>lasts 19 kek'ing seconds on a 25 sec cooldown
>up to three targets
>ignores AoE ratios
>ignores all kinds of debuff immunity
>currently cannot be dispelled
>cannot be interrupted short of someone murdering the corsair
>frees the user to continue to beat the shit out of you during those 19 seconds

Reminds me of the beta back when people didn't believe oracle was the strongest one rank dip for PvP and they would rather go druid PD. Heh, just gotta wait for it to become flavor of the month.

>>161646115
>Raise
>Can be cured

And can bug you 8/10 times

>Magnetic Force
>Lasts like 3 seconds top, subject to AoE ratio

And it bugs you 10/10 times

>>161645161
>people unironically play tos

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I seriously wonder how low of a chance this thing really is. Only Prac I got I made into a Doppel weapon and they about to be nerfed to the ground.

>>161646518
Poor Mimi.

People theory crafted that the change is around 5%, so 20 days

>>161645515
Hauberk profile next!

>Seism:
> When used with 5 stacks of [Wild], Seism will deal 5 consecutive hits.

wat?

>>161646661
I'm not Mimi, I'm (You).
I'm not Dvine, I'm (You).

Is squire's version of hook useless in PVP? I never see anyone talking about it.

>>161646848
The only person autistic enough to use it is Swaaz.
It's literally reverse iron hook: both you and the enemy are held in place, except this time they can attack you while you can bend over and take.

>>161647213
take it*

Also
>rank 1 debuff
>resisted more often than not
>breaks if you're CC'd

It's only redeeming feature is that with a high enough level you can bind the whole enemy team and their pets altogether.

I need suggestions for Wizard PvP builds.

>>161646848
It would be ok in gvg due to high target count if raise wasn't better in every way at a lower rank on a better class.

>>161647464

Anything with Kino3 (Cryokino, wiz3kinolock)

or Wiz3 Linker Thaum Featherfoot 2

>>161646115
>doppel

you fucked up son.

>19 seconds

lol. Corsair 3 into what? Consider it 14 seconds at best. Also, you can remove Iron hook with Frost Pillar and some other sucking skills.

And no, PB alone can't deal with restrain rush

>>161647464
Go FF2 and allah snackbar the enemy team.

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>>161632201
>>161632284
>>161632704
>>161632798
>>161633174
>>161633437

>>161647464
Kino 3 > Necro 1 > Cryo 3 > Warlock 1
Full CON

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>>161646752
This has the potential to be big. Currently Seism is a fake multi hit. Depending on how this works, it could be quite a big boost.

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>tfw you will never meet kim

anyway, I think that he smashed that succubus in red

Are 315 Orange Recipes in the game already?

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BUUUUUUUUFFFFFFIEEEEEESSSSSSSS

>>161648671
Goddamn it, I thought that was Lolipan who kept sexualizing the Faery. Fucking stop it.

>>161648598
No.

Have you started farming your mats though? You should before people realize it and crowd the maps.

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>>161648872
I only sexualized her once and now quite a few people think it was me all along.

>>161648962
How's EVE's in game browser nowadays?

So since Doppel is RIP, tell me a class to reroll as? I admit defeat. Class is shit tier now.

I want to feel strong and help downing Blut in seconds while having survivability. Doppel was a glass cannon. Now I'd like something that can do same DPS but survive.

Doesn't have to be sword either. Tired of sword. They just get nerfed while clerics get buffed every patch.

How is Druid C3 as DPS?

>>161648890
Wait, weren't their mats same as 315 purple?
25 feri, 25 phydec and 25 portium?

That's what I saw on tosneet.

Besides the 2 practonium, which I already have too.

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>>161649009
I haven't played much because I am having my finals right now. I already upgraded to a subscription and now I am training skills for the ships I want to fly.

When I click a link in-game it opens my Firefox(default browser). Wasn't aware there was an in-game browser(again, I haven't figured out 95% of the game yet).

Back when I ran my Ragnarok private server I enabled in-game browser for it, which is a really obscure feature. It could play video too, I remember linking normie porn with it while I was testing.

>>161649161
Clerics don't do damage in pve on the scale of archers or swordsman don't fall for the "clerics have great damage" meme it's just pvpfags. The only good single target dos cleric has is Taoist and blut has 3k Magic defense. Roll fencer or fletcher.

>>161649270
>normie porn
What is that vs non normie porn?

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>>161649237
You poor, poor soul. No they are not, kToS has the real mats needed. They are still 2 Pract, but the mats come from 320+ maps.

https://tos-kr.neet.tv/items/7141058

The shield for example, one of the mats you need 37 of and it drops >~.5% of the time. The other mat you need 35 of and it's 600 DPK or more.

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>>161649656
>normie
"Professional" actors.

>non-normie
Everything else.

>>161649860
>35x 600 DPK
>21 Rank8 mobs

PLUS

>37 .5% drops

Those are borderline unobtainable territory. For the boosts they give they aren't even worth it.

>>161649408
Fencer or Fletcher then, which one is more fun? I've never rolled an archer before.

Which one has less silver sinks into attributes?

Since I've dropped all of my silver into my Doppel I'm going to be on a budget.

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>>161649408
>Fletcher
I don't like their tiny as fuck AoE spells but Mergen seems nice.

>Fencer
Small attack range but otherwise seems solid. What's a good build for Fencer?

>>161649860
have fun farming those mobs without a Cleric build!!

>5000 magic damage mobs
>3000 physical damage mobs
>1500 m.def
>700 p.def
>500,000 hp

>>161650374
rip swaaz

>>161613839
Fencer is just the QS3 of rank 8.
Pseudo-weapon locked into + skill weapons with low base damage. As the game moves forward and people are able to obtain lv 10 transcend weapons with 8k phys attack you'll be the loser stuck with a 79 damage toothpick that barely gets any damage even from a lv 10 transcend.

Plus, Fencer c3 has been out long enough for people to realize that Fletcher is still better DPS and more versatile.

>>161650030
Yes, I believe there will be very few of the shield on the server. Like around 10. Majority owned by Crimson.

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>>161650030
>>161649860
just grind these funny R8 mobs for a few months. white pig needs to gid gud

>>161649860
Oh, I see. Thanks for sharing the correct info. Where do I even get those items? I don't understand korean and the redirects for the items are not added yet(which monster drops).

Seems like chronos and oracles in my guild will have a fun time spending all day to get a drop for these things, at least we also have a Dragoon with DPE.

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>>161650990
The Rank 4 maps such as Nobreer Forest or that Alabama cave near the bottom-right of the world map.

Your guild mates are going to need some deep autism to stick with farming these mats.

>>161650625

not really because you can cast epee garde with venier and switch to another rapier, unlike running cuck. BUT...this could be a "bug"

>>161651458
It would take several people weeks, if not over a month, to farm the items for ONE item. And it's not like the item is good enough that it's beneficial to everyone in the guild, only one person gets to have it and benefits from it.

>>161651458
>>161651632

Yea they're very autistic like me, and most of them are NEETs too.Since guild raids are worthless, this might be some "content" for us to do aside from ERPing in Fedi.

>>161651467
it will be fixed soon just watch

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>>161651632
dont underestimate autistic NEETs

and ofc you can buy some of them in market for 500k-1m or +
need silver? no problem, just buy a few silver RNG boxes in our RNG shop

>>161652262
>>161651632
I'm going to fucking laugh if they do another event that just drops them like Halloween candy.

>>161650185
anyone?

>>161650030
It's almost like the plan to tailor end game content to necros.
You know, now just buff summons and let everyone afk farm their mats cuz that shit is just borderline retarded.
.5% is the drop rate of a rare gear, not a fucking mat you need 30 of in addition to other 2 or 3 different stacks of rare mats and a recipe to make one.

>>161652953
>.5
>rare
Maybe .05%

>>161652953
they'd need to buff summons a fuck lot to afk-farm these 400k+ fuckhigh dmg mobs in group spawns

not gonna happen

>>161653202
Just go full spr and let your shoggoth handle it.

>>161649921
stop posting this impossible build, you're triggering my autism

most op class?

>>161653692
Probably a cleric. Clerics are strong in PvP and in PvE.

>>161653692
>>161653847
Sadhu

>>161654032
>Sadhu
Who?

>>161653684
There's nothing impossible about that build.

>>161651632

I think it took Koreans like 3-4 months to make their first orange 315 weapons.

Practonium is the easy part to get. The hard part is the 200+ materials with 0.1% drop rate from level 320+ mobs.

>>161654246
Idk what people are complaining about, this is by far preferable to having to run ET 20/40 hundreds of times and reroll every cube. And these weapons are even better than the ET 20/40 ones.

>>161651632

I know a guy who has all the items for the new 2 handed spear and enough shards to 550% it, kek.

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>>161654246
Honestly I don't mind low drop chance materials. It's in the open world so I'm ok. It's the mobs themselves with their insane stats that worries me. Even with best gear you can possibly get you still can't effectively farm them alone unless you're a Cleric.

Despite how strong of a cleric you'll kill them very slowly alone. There's only 3 cleric builds that can solo mobs effectively and only 2 are physical DPS which isn't too gimped vs these mobs:

>Druid C3
Probably best one due to low, low, LOW as fuck attribute costs and Wolf form giving insane buff no matter what shit gear you have.

>PD2
It's magic damage so without a heavy investment Windia Rod you'll be seeing 1's or 100's with your PD2 skills, despite high base damage.

>Inquis
Wheel is physical and pears are good, but not 500k health melting good. Unless you're some meme DEX Paladin it will take forever to farm these things alone. Also you'll be spending millions using Wheels alone.

So bottom line is Druid C3 wins as far as costs go. SP potions are cheap as fuck and since the SP cost is % it's no problem.

havent played in 6 months. what is new? is the game dead?

>>161654621
They're complaining about having to put in effort to get anything.

>>161655132

rank 8, swordsman are now decent, cleric still op as fuck, half of the archers got cucked and magic kinda limited because half of the new monsters have absurds amount of mdef

Why are staves so weak? If you're sacrificing the use of a shield you should at least get twice the stats of a rod.

>>161655317
They were designed with pryos in mind and the then they forgot to make pyros have good attributes for them or make another class that uses them.

>>161655132
transceding gear turned game into a nightmarish korean p2w game

basically saalus drops 2x shards a day and you need 800 of these to achieve maximum transcendence on one item

they are tradeable, which means silver beats all and whales are the only ones with end tier equipment in the game

>>161655494
>saalus drops 2x shards a day

>He doesn't do it on all his characters
>He doesn't have a chrono revive the bosses to get 4 cubes per character per day

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now that doppel is/will-be kill
can some ppl please post high transc doppel weapons

>>161655753
I do it on 6 characters a day but that doesn't mean shit when you still need 800 of them for ONE ITEM

are you telling me you have 8x chronos for all your alts?

>>161655802
>now that doppel is/will-be kill

h-how?

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>>161654621
>Idk what people are complaining about
Practical way to farm it on a dead game. I wouldn't mind it if the game was alive, but they're adding things thinking that we have 50k players.

Some people can barely find a party to level, imagine farming items to each other.

this thread it's almost like forums now, every complain people answer with
>waaah you just want the game to be easy and put no effort into anything waaaah

when the problem AND the point are something else unrelated to that.

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>>161655802
it's more like game is kill
a lot of doppels I've talked to are quitting
they don't have energy to reroll (again)

some are still hopeful (falsely) that the change isn't too drastic
they are fools

>>161656801
sorry did i miss something? how are doppels nerfed?

It's too bad the game starts off as easy as it does, you guys seem to have this retarded idea that using your shards on anything except an orange practonimum weapon is a waste in the long run and shouldn't be done because this game is piss easy all the way up to Nahash forest. These weapons aren't meant to be obtainable by the average player they are meant to be a long term reward for dedicated players that really want to set themselves apart.

>>161656869
>she doesnt know

>>161656869
>rely on a bug for ages
>bug gets fixed
>they call it a nerf
Same as Rogue, my friend.

>>161656869
Cyclone won't deal 19 billion damage on 1 charge anymore and all doppers are crying like babies.

>>161656869
>>161656093
ktos change in last thread
>around: 60%-70% reduced damage

>>161656869
see >>161613708

literally read the fucking thread it's the 2nd post

>>161655931
>ONE ITEM
All you need to transcend is your weapon. And it's not even a month if you reroll twice.
>Rerolling when you can buy them for cheaper
But that's being a whale and it's WRONG, right?

Not to mention you can just take a chance with 80% or so and save time and shards.

Its also overall cheaper than buying attributes.

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Post yfw you didn't reroll a Doppel3

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>>161657212

Fencers are next on IMCs fuck list tho

>>161657174
>rerolling
R E T A R D

who /basedclericmains/

fuck swordies lmao

>Buffing Corsair3
>There are NO FUCKING CLASSES that goes well with Corsair3

Does IMC even know their game? I'd trade all these "buffs" for better class interaction, there is literally no Rank8 if you take Corsair3

>>161656938
The game is easy at nahash too, just people don't think upgrading armor before then is worthwhile either, so it resulted in them getting wrecked.

>>161614085
>>>Cleave
>>+10 Crit rate per skill level (+200 critical rate at max rank)
>>Buff duration still shit at 4 seconds, but glad the crit rate went from 50 to 200.
WOAH THERE

>>161656938
>These weapons aren't meant to be obtainable by the average player they are meant to be a long term reward for dedicated players that really want to set themselves apart.
The game won't even live that long.

>>161657376
Don't try to evade my filter, whale.

>>161618912
>Capture now only captures 1 skill per level, if I get this right
Aw rip.
Well, we know this was coming sooner or later.

>>161657503
>buffing
what the fuck are you talking about that class is dead

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>>161655802
I wonder how that one retard with the Stage 10 transcended Gale Slasher feels right now

>>161657503
I've seen most Corsairs go 1 in Fencer.
Highlander C3? Oh wait Skyliner nerf.
Well...

>>161657503
Take Fencer, duh. Don't you want to be a proper pirate?

>>161657620
Yeah it's going to die off as fast as Kancolle did.

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>>161657705
SUICIDE WATCH

>>161657705
will probably sell account for ~50% (or less when that fix happens/becomes well known) he spend on it and move to next game

Any new features been released in the past year? (new as in not dungeons, classes, yada yada)

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>>161657705
>>161657967
>>161657705
>>161657212
>>161655802
>MY DEAD GAME IS ABOUT TO BECOME MORE DEAD
SUICIDE WATCH

>>161648131
Spiral Arrow has in theory a number of hits scaling with level, by the skill tooltip.

In practice it is a fake multi-hit and its multiplier scales with levels, so I wouldn't have high hopes for Seism.

Why doesn't an AHK script work for spamming Split Arrow? Every other skill works with it except that.

>>161655802
>now that doppel is/will-be kill
It won't, it will just be downscaled to standard r8 dps builds instead of being on a league of its own.

>>161655317

Staves are the better weapon once you hit rank 8 and heavily invest in a weapon. Thanks to transcending weapons the higher base damage they have just makes them better.

You can get a rod with 400 magic attack and then a dagger with 150 fire attack (or 300 if you get another practonium), or a staff with 530 magic attack.
Initially you might think 400 + 150 is better, but when you take transcending into things, the staff will become massively better. (Rod can give 2200 + 300 damage max without upgrades, staff can give 2909).

Rods are basically for people who cannot invest into their weapon much, staff is for everyone else.

Only real exception to this will be if/when Thaumaturges get buffed since they'll get a shit load of damage from both swell arms with a rod+dagger.

>>161658341

spirial arrow is decent at least

btw
legit question

meme reiter:

archer 3 ranger 1/2 <filler> sr 3

or just a2 ranger 3 sr 3

I really want that lv 10 swift step for memevasion pvp 2x2

>>161656801

>Dopples are on suicide watch because of one bug fix
>Meanwhile Wizards still keep trucking on despite the entire last part of the game being designed specifically to shit on them

Bunch of fucking babies.

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It's like we're back to May / June again when IMC nerfed Swordsmen and the population plummeted as a result while /tosg/ inhales it's own farts of smug about the change.

Nerfing a PvE class not to be viable for PvE anymore is not good for anyone.

Here's an old filename anon. Does it ring any bells?

>>161658595

nah, any situation with thauma 2 lends to rod + dagger being better, it's +300 matk + rod's elemental property, and there's a 300 matk rod coming

rod's also have the option to wear a shield when really needed

but yeah without thauma staff is the new shit

>>161658224
nothing good

shit like transcendence

>>161658740
Ranger2 is pretty bad, but nothing really fits SR.
Wugu's damage comes from you main hand only?
If so, considering you'll transcend your pistol wugu will be pretty bad as a filler too.

>>161658795
>Nerfing a PvE class not to be viable for PvE anymore is not good for anyone
You sure are delusional, doppels will still be one of the most damaging builds.
>+150% attack with 7~9k damage weapons

Pelta>Hop2>Sair2>Shitnobi>Murm
Pelta>Hop2>sair3>Shitnobi


Which one is better for Shitnobin'

>>161658756
>meanwhile wizcucks been trucking on
Fuck off nigger. Swords have been doing nothing but trucking on since day one while you've had 8 months behind you of OP shit.

Fuck off retard, you're no underdog. You're still the best fucking support in the entire game, stop pretending otherwise.

>>161659030

Don't try to argue with these people anon. They're FOTM shitters who play a class because it's strong.

>>161659067

Fuck off. Swordsmen have always been strong and received nothing but buffs while Wizards have received nothing but nerfs and got shit on harder than any other class in the game once rank 8 was added.

>>161659030
wow where can I get these 7000 to 9000 physical weapons from? which dungeon drops them?

I can't wait to transcend that, it's gonna be insane!

>>161659174
>who play a class because it's strong.
Literally that's the only function of the class, are you fucking retarded?

>FOTM
What the fuck is that even?

Who rolls say a Cleric to NOT be a support / healer? Like are you seriously this retarded?

>>161658795
Don't you dare posting sad boats!

>>161659192
>can't wait to transcend that, it's gonna be insane!
Transcendence is already been account you fucking retard.

>>161659564
>Who rolls say a Cleric to NOT be a support / healer?
like half of clerics do that. and im not even talking about monkos. they are (if decent build) all OP as fuck

>>161659564
>Who rolls say a Cleric to NOT be a support / healer?
You do realize most clerics are dps with heals right?
Very few people play healer as a full support.

rip thread rip game rip your virginity

>>161659806
I'm not a virgin though.

>>161659564
>wtfff why r they nerfing the class that is an insane outliar
>y cant they just let me stay the only viable DPS???????????????????

Patch notes said they added more quests. Wonder if it's enough XP so you don't have to grind at all to Rank 8

>>161659689
>>161659789
If you took clerics as your main DPS into ET aiming for high floors you wouldn't make it.

And all "DPS cleric" builds take Cleric C2 because you cannot do any high content without it.

Show me a ET 30 floor Korean clear with only Clerics in the party.

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>>161659564
This guy is right. Whenever a clerics posts here or anywhere, all they talk about is healing and buffing. These full support sluts dont even know what 'Damage' means. This dude is surely playing the game XD

>>161660346
they added <30 quest for LvLs 137-204
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/quests?order=cdated&f=1

nothing changed

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>>161660396
This guy is right. Whenever a doppel posts here or anywhere, all they talk about is damage and gearing. These full DPS sluts dont even know what 'Healing' means. This dude is surely playing the game XD

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>>161660579
O-oh.

>>161659836
t.virgin

>>161658929

meh...

what about

A3 -> Ranger 1 -> Rogue -> Reiter 3

>fucking rogue

I know, I know... but since I want a filler, sneak hit may help if my critical rate somewhat fails me but this is mostly to use caputre when really needed.

Or what about fletcher 1? Or even QS 1?

Can we set up pavise/caltrop and use stone shot while mounted?

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#314113aaa.1f284f516175.152545.15253144.4f75

>doppel3 is kill
>fencer3 is just modern day qs3
>dragoon 2 was always just ok with added pvp dethmemes

IMC only cares about clerics, support wizards and fletchers.

>>161660959
If they cared about Fletchers, archers would still exist.

>>161661280
Fletchers are the only useful pve archers left since they are still the best single target DPS.

SR3 is pretty useless outside of very specific party setup and very specific content ever since they nerfed their damage type to gun.

Everything else is pvp memes or goodbuilds.

>>161660742
>>161660346
its not like you have to grind a lot nowadays

so many quests now. getting sick of them. and it'll be more and more with R9.

>remove half or 2/3 of blue quests but more rewards to remaining quests fucking when

>>161660369
>If you took clerics as your main DPS into ET aiming for high floors you wouldn't make it.
Saintone literally soloes 1F, clerics now do more damage than ele3wl ever did and they were the main dps in ET.

>Show me a ET 30 floor Korean clear with only Clerics in the party.
What is this even trying to prove?
Show me one with only swordmen

>>161661861
Nice video there bud, you sure proved yourself right there.

Quality post.

>>161661938
Nice video there bud, you sure proved yourself right there.

Quality post.

>>161660910
>sneak hit may help if my critical rate
You'll almost never attack from behind as an RS, and no, Werewolf cards aren't an option.

>capture
That's just being killed, only 1 circle/level captured now.

>>161661861

desu 30f is doable when miko comes, kek

no one will do that, of course, but is possible to do...

>>161661938
>Nice video there bud, you sure proved yourself right there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dchqy7RGYaY
Here you go :^)

>>161662165
Nice video there bud, you sure proved yourself right there.

Quality post.

>>161662208
Thank you kind anon.
:^)

>>161662059

I know but 5 is enough, you'll rarely get a good stack of stuff at pvp, just that one raise/safety zone can change the course of the battle

5 will be enough to do some pve combos too just in case you somehow need that and yeah, sneak hit is nto reliable and noway using ww cards on this reiter (would go full ella since it's pvp). it's a filler anyway...

>>161662285
For PvP Feint is actually great, the hitbox is pretty big and no one will ever evade you after that.
Too bad it's a debuff.

>>161662165
Wow he solo'd the first floor?

Ok now what about 6F?
10F?
20F?

Oh wait... and the whale literally almost wipes and fails in the video multiple times.

Quality post.

>>161662165
Nothing broken or remotely good.
There are dozen videos of other base classes doing that.

>>161662831
True. I liked the video of (You) doing F1 solo with a non-cleric char a lot more.

>>161662165
I wish people played this game. Wugushi + Plague Doctor C2 would be amazing.

>>161662846
>There are dozen videos of other base classes doing that.
Do post them then faggot

>>161662407

Oh, true. Fucking feint. Can you use fient while mounted? that barrage feint combo is decent too for pve I guess

>>161663112
just type any random words containing 'TOS' in youtube. its literally full of them. finding any other videos is really hard cause of that.

>>161662974
I have a cleric. I've also seen SR back in R7 days solo the floor.

>>161663268
>its literally full of them
Do post them then faggot

I don't want to see a random doppel killing a mission boss in 0.2 seconds, I want to see a solo ET clear.

>>161660742

They also doubled exp gained from missions and dungeons.

This and the new quests will mean you'll never need to grind until at least Alemeth now. Not even if you fuck up.

Once we get this change anyway.

>>161663403
>>161663112
do i really have to write something like '/sarcasm off' in my posts? or are you tryin to shit me?
nigger please

>>161663158
>Can you use fient while mounted?
Well, I have no idea for that.

>>161663526
>I was just pretending to be retarded

>>161663526
Do post them faggot.

>>161663620
>>161663638
anon pleaseee

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How do I build a Murmillo? I thought the standard builds were Pel3Rod3 and Pelt2Rod3Shinobi

But looking at this thread on forums:
http://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/murmillo-hoplite-vs-peltasta-comparison/337194/61
It says that Pelt is a waste of circle. Is this true or I am being misinfoed?

I just want a bruiser-ish class, with some low dmg enough to not suffer

>>161663434
a handful of L7 and L8 cards will not save ur ass if you screw up at 16x 17x

but not like <200 was hard or needed any grind

>>161664119

But the 2x exp from dungeons and missions will.

145 Dungeon is about 2.1 million exp (with token bonus) right now. 4.2 million a run with 3 runs a day is 12.6 million plus probably 4.5 million more from 3 mission runs. 17 million exp a day for doing 3 dungeon and mission runs at 145.
In 3-4 days that'll take you from 145 to 165-169.

If you can do that, you wont get stuck anywhere and will never need to grind until Alemeth.

>>161663158
You can't use Feint while mounted

>>161664027

>pelt waste of circle

no fucking way, lol

pelt 1 = taunt, guardian (guardian 5 is FUCKING AMAZING) and well, umbo blow can fill a rotation hole you may have later. And the evasion is great too

umbo blow to be good demands high guard combos but taking pelt 2/3 kinda makes your build pure pve tank. pelt 3 at least has armor break and butterfly is decent too

Personally I wouldn't give up on peltasta c1 in any swordsman not doppel/full pvpcata.

>>161664027
>Pelt
>+25% hp
>waste of a circle
For your build, you should take at least 1 circle of Pelt or all 3 (for high guard 6 and the other skills)

>>161664431

ruined

how do we fix rogues ffs
not even hakkas

>>161664027
>pelt
>waste of a circle
Stop reading anything the retard who said that wrote.
Even excluding the ability to aggro an entire screen, Pelt has 2 very useful buffs.

>>161664027
Hoplite gets free 3 AoE and crit rate out the ass with bonus to block while losing evasion

Peltasta gets % defense and % evasion bonuses

Hoplite gains murmillo bonuses to shit skills
Peltasta with high guard stacking with the helmet gains insane % bonuses.

the downfall is the base damage values of those skills are terrible