/sthg/ - Sonic The Hedgehog General

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So much for your lewd requests.

Assuming the thread is still alive after I post this, how about I just do some regular ones instead?

>>161506186
How about Rotor telling Cream and Tails Santa isn't real and Vanilla about to slap the shit out of him

>>161506186
Amy trying to get Sonic under a mistletoe

>>161506186
That's a real cute Sonic.

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>leave for 20 minutes to get subway
>all people were talking about was archie
>come back and threads deleted, and two more are now up
what the fuck did you guys do in 20 minutes to piss off the swatbots?

>>161506186
Ya could always just put the lewd ones on Imgur and link to the image.
Works pretty well since ya can embed the image like with a youtube link.

>>161506186
something involving Wendy, Thunderbolt and christmas

>>161506536
>and Christmas

You mean someone who might sue santa's pants off?

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Sally.

Boom season 2 link when

>>161506186
Ha ha ha ha, good show man.

I'll collate the requests on the wall, but to be safe it might be best to do lewd requests in the /trash/heap.

>>161506643
THE PANTS OFF OF EGGMAN

>>161507020
You know, I must draw some Egg-ladies on Father Eggman's lap tomorrow.

>>161507136
Neato!

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Finally have excuse to post this gem

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this is getting embarrassing

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Alright, what did yall think of the new issue that came out today? I personally think it was pretty meh, besides the reaction faces.

>>161508120
It was okay, but should've shown off Metropolis Zone for a bit IMO instead of Wing Fortress hijinks.

>>161508120
First time I've seen this comic. The art is good but feels a bit amateur.

>>161508120

I liked how Snively flew the rocket, like in Scrambled.

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>>161508120
Yeah, it was pretty fucking weak wasn't it. Almost to the point of being a 1/1 adaption.

If it doesn't have it's own thing, it's not it's own thing.

>>161508185
It's also one of those 90% stretch things. If it got deleted I wouldn't say I'd care or blame the mod. It's gay as fuck.

But then you have shit like this which got some anon banned in the past. The mod is a unpredictable faggot, I'm certain he's one of those cunts who starts pointless arguments and I do think he needs to fuck off and die. But a shake up like this every now and again is good.

>>161508385
Try reading some of the other stuff that isn't just a rehash of the games
>>161508425
>Yeah, it was pretty fucking weak wasn't it. Almost to the point of being a 1/1 adaption.
>If it doesn't have it's own thing, it's not it's own thing.
Almost like the people asking for it to be a 1:1 adaptation are fucking retarded

>>161508120
Sonic didn't get a 1-up inside the Wing Fortress cockpit, it was shit.

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>>161508120
pretty boring

>>161508480
>Almost like the people asking for it to be a 1:1 adaptation are fucking retarded

Funny that. It's almost like people know what's going to happen next in an episode you've already watched 5 times and expect to be surprised.

>>161508837
Sonic wears gloves. The pic had Sonic in it. It's related to Sonic

>>161508878
>Sonic wears gloves
Mario wear gloves, Link wear gloves, the rookie wear gloves, so does that mean they're all related to Sonic?

>>161509034
Well yes. Nintendo is Sega's rival. And they're Nintendo franchises. Sonic is a sega franchise. They all wear gloves

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How would Shadow the Hedgehog 2 be like?

>>161510026
shit
like the first one

>>161510026
Depends.
Would they keep the guns or multi-path story?

i like sonic

these mass producing swatbots are fuckign insanity. Eggman really stepped his gameup.
>>161510026
In our hearts, a game where Rouge, Omega, and shadow are playable and have different levels according to the characters play style, original story, less guns unless you are big red annihilator, godtier soundtracks, and good amount of fast.
In reality: Shadow's lost world with brown levels

>>161510026
Depends who it's made by.
Platinum would be fucking golden.

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Not today. One day, but not today.

Is there a recommendation of fangame or hacks for Sonic games?

>>161510026
I kind of hope it basically turns him into a personification of the ow the edge memes. His entire personality is brooding, crying over maria, and being pissed. Shadow works best as a parody
>>161510385
Well Mania is looking good so I'd wait for that to come out

>>161510026
Still a combat platformer. More emphasis on chaos powers: Shadow has an all-purpose chaos meter that charges by defeating enemies and gathering chaos pickups. You start off with a basic chaos spear and a chaos blast and can unlock more skills and upgrade existing ones.

Guns still exist but with more emphasis on the more cartoony ones. Think more like Ratchet & Clank instead of actual realistic guns.

Vehicles exist, but for specific segments.

No branching paths, Shadow doesn't need a morality system anymore because he has an established personality. Story is linear, but that just means more levels to go through instead of just seven per playthrough.

>>161510385
Sonic Utopia

>>161510385
S-Factor
Sonic 3 Complete
Pana the Hedgehog
Big's Fishing Derby
Amy in Every Sonic Game

>>161510026
Assassin's Creed-lite

>>161510385
Sonic Classic Heroes

Seems like we're safe...for now

>>161510451
>I kind of hope it basically turns him into a personification of the ow the edge memes. His entire personality is brooding, crying over maria, and being pissed. Shadow works best as a parody
Oh, and the gameplay would literally be GTA. Just replace whatever GTA city with fucking Westopolis. That's your game

>>161510385
At some point we should make a guide like the Doom WAD guide. That would be useful.

>>161510628
I remember there was one floating around for romhacks, but I don't have it on hand.

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>>161510967
Apparently neither do I.

On the upside, I found out I have a folder for comparisons of different kinds.

Who's the biggest beta in the Sonic franchise?

>>161511509
E-101

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>>161511535

>>161511586
Why is Chaos the only final boss they put any thought into. Every single other monster is just there to be a final boss for Sonic to fight and that's it.

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>>161511535

>>161511735
What about Dark Gaia?

>>161511535
But he's the only beta.

>>161511948
>Who is Antoine
>Who is Tails
>Who is Shadow for not claiming Rouge

>>161512027
Antoine got superior Bunnie buns
tails is fucking 11
Shadow is the ultimate and the coolest being. he has no time or need for pussy

>>161511864
He's the worst example of just being a monster. At least Finalhazard had a connection to Gerald Robotnik who had a tragic background, Metal Overlord and Devil Doom are obviously the villains of the story and loom over you.

>>161512171
>tails is fucking 11
Not anymore.

>>161512171
>Antoine got superior Bunnie buns
You mean the girl who's like 1/4 of a girl and doesn't even have a pussy? Yeah, big win you got there Antoine. Too much of a bitch to go for a real woman again
>Shadow is the ultimate and the coolest being. he has no time or need for pussy
An ultimate being would have no reason not to bang whoever he wants
>Tails is 11
Fair point

>>161512252
But Dark Gaia was introduced in the beginning cutscene, and it was all the monsters you fought during night time.

>>161512308
>You mean the girl who's like 1/4 of a girl and doesn't even have a pussy? Yeah, big win you got there Antoine. Too much of a bitch to go for a real woman again
Actually, got my math wrong. 2/5. Still not much though

>>161512027
>>161512308
>>161512446
Please don't start this again.

>>161512308
What if he doesn't want to bang Rouge? What if he sees her as a sister?

>>161512252
The biolizard was introduced out of nowhere at the end of the game to serve as a boss.

>>161512556
Fair enough. Still raises some eyebrows as to why he wouldn't take the chance to bang someone who's very clearly interested in him but whatever

>>161512027
>Shadow

He's the ultimate lifeform. He probably doesn't even need a girl.

>>161512572
Not true. It was in the document Rouge showed
Shadow when she accused him of not actually being the ultimate life form.

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>>161512171

>Shadow is the ultimate and the coolest being. he has no time or need for pussy

>>161512308
>doesn't even have a pussy
The reboot gave her one, and she had one before that when Naugus accidentally all her robo parts, you dingus.

>An ultimate being would have no reason not to bang whoever he wants
An ultimate being would have no reason to bang, as an ultimate being would have no reason to reproduce. See Kars.

>>161512726
So this is the super form in Shadow the hedgehog 2....not bad...

>>161512829
>The reboot gave her one, and she had one before that when Naugus accidentally all her robo parts, you dingus.
The latter is true. Sadly he never got to take advantage of that, but the question is, why marry her before she got it? I could see him getting interested in her the moment she got derotobotized, but why marry someone you can't bang. It makes sense in the reboot because at least she has one like you said so you could ignore the fact she's not even a full person.

>>161512957
>According to Wikianswers it is stated by Ian Flynn that Bunnie's robian parts work like their organic counterparts, but in a different way, though what different way is unknown. In the case of MXYL, it is also possible that Bunnie was restored to a fully organic form, just as her Mobius Prime self was.

>>161512957
Her roboticized crotch may have had something fuckable hidden under a door or something. Plus, there's always blow jobs and titty fucking.

>>161513101
Oh, well that explains it, and now it makes sense why Antoine would go for her. Though, given the option between Bunnie and an actual woman I don't understand why he wouldn't go for the latter, since why settle for a facsimile when you can have the real deal

>>161512698
I don't have SA2 very fresh in mind since I don't like it a lot, but wasn't that almost at the end of the game? Also, if I remember that cutscene correctly, Rouge exited the scene right after showing Shadow that document, so that's not really much either.

>>161513194
Genuine love.

>>161513194
Because he loves Bunnie. Simple.

>>161512368
Yes but he has no real personality or identity while Eggman does all the work. There was something with his creatures being the manisfistation of all the negative vibes and emotions the people go through but that doesn't really tie into the plot or go anywhere.

Also I take back what I said Time Eater is the worst.

>>161513208
It was before Shadow's last level in the dark side story, not the final story, and Biohazard was clearly present on the report.

>>161513246
>>161513251
I guess love does make you blind, huh?

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>Sonic 2006 Remaster will never be a thing
>no fixed loadtimes, glitches or bugs
>no improved gameplay
>no improved level desigb
>no removing Amigos from 3 Hedgehog adventures
>no giving them their own mini adventures without hubworld or cutscenes
>no improved hubworld
>no extra content
>neither costumes for all characters
>no fixed plot that actually makes somewhat sense and is not too bad
>no PC release with possible modding
I'd pay good money for it, sega. Whole 40 bucks!

>>161513268
>Yes but he has no real personality or identity while Eggman does all the work.
How does that make it worse that Biolizard, which didn't even exist until near the end of the dark story? Dark Gaia at least has a tangible presence throughout all of Unleashed, even being the reason you have to depossess people during night.

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>>161513319
Both loved each other with or without their faults, they risked their lived for each other on the daily, and wanted to be together forever. They could still have kids if they wanted to. If that makes them blind, then let their heart show the way or someshit.

>>161513457
>paying 40 bucks for a fixed up version of a shitty game that's a decade old

>>161513476
I dunno anon. I guess you're right. I just don't see how anyone could look over the glaring fault that is the fact she's not even a full person. Guess he didn't have any other options

>>161513589
Shut the fuck up Jack, go back to jerking off in your stupid desert city.

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>>161513583
I just want to play White Acropolis in glorious 4k without glitches, man.

>>161513583
06 had a lot of neat ideas that could had been pretty fun if well executed. Even with the loading times I had some fun doing the side missions. (But don't make me do it again.)

>>161513472
Maybe because I don't see Biohazard as its own thing but rather a extension of Gerald's wraith against the world.

>>161514125
>Gerald's wraith
His spirit came back? Quick, call the Sonic equivalent of the Ghost Busters (the actual ones).

>>161514261
So the Chaotix then?

>>161513194
Because Bunnie is a sax cymbal.

>>161514261
The Ghost Busters are busy chasing down the Tails Doll on Lego Dimensions.

>>161513809
Fuck, I can't unsee Knuckles having a really big open mouth.

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>>161513589
>glaring fault
>not wanting a cyborg waifu

>>161515539
Why would you want half a person when you can get a full person?

>>161515654
>Robot legs and a robot arm
>HALF A PERSON
anon...

>>161515654
I told you to get back in your cage, Jack. Don't make Mighty rip apart all your tanks again.

>>161515654
Cause that other half is badass.

>>161515654
I would most definitely fuck any girl that could fly.

>>161515801
>WHILE flying

>>161515750
She's not a full person, regardless of semantics. Her legs and arm are just cold, lifeless steel

>>161515985
She is a full person but does not have a fully organic person. Words have meanings, anon.

She's not a robot, android or artificial intelligence. She's basically a triple amputee with prosthetic limbs that double as jet boosters and as laser gun. But she's still a living person.

>>161515974
Lewd

>>161516204
What's lewd about it?

>>161516172
Yeah, she is a full person internally, but not externally. You wouldn't call a cyborg a person now would you?

>>161516256
If the cyborg possessed sentience and intelligence then yeah, that's sci-fi 101. But besides that, having robot limbs doesn't make her a lesser being.

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>>161516256
>You wouldn't call a cyborg a person now would you?
I would.

>>161516351
>But besides that, having robot limbs doesn't make her a lesser being.
Not lesser, just less human

>>161516449
She's not a human, she's a bunny.

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>>161516391
I wouldn't

>>161516481
Human, bunny, you know what I mean

>>161516249
It's kinda shota-y

It's cute how close they are.

>>161516632
I am ok with this artstyle

>>161516512
Go back to being dead, best Gohan

>>161516632
>Sonic has abs in the old canon
Hawt

>>161516883
Makes sense. In the old canon he was 17 and 18 for much of the dark age/golden age era.
In the reboot he's younger.

>>161512621
You can say the same with Sonic's issue with Amy

>>161517030
Yeah, but Amy is 12. And Sonic's not into romance.

>>161512621
They're basically co-workers at this point with G.U.N., and the first rule of office romance is to avoid it completely. A strong professional friendship is much better in that context.

>>161516632
Guess Return to Angel Island isn't happening.

>>161517228
>but Amy is 12
No 12 year old have those kinds of breasts.

>>161516817
Trunks couldn't bring his smile back or protect it

>>161517228
>Yeah, but Amy is 12.
Riiiiight....

>>161517531
He protected it from heaven by killing Zamasu anon

>>161517507
Yeah they do, you just didn't notice it as a kid because boys hit puberty later than girls do.

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>>161517507
>>161517543
>breasts

Where?

>>161517585
>Trunks
>Killing Zamasu
anon I
reminder that Zeno erased that timeline so not even Gohan's soul exists anymore
he just can't have anything nice

>>161517507
1. You need to go outside more often.

2. She doesn't have any anymore.

>>161511586
Am I only one who took years to realize Chaos was just a fucked up Chao?

>>161518070
I don't think it was ever stated that in the games, only in Sonic Channel. Who would've guess that that abomination (a cute one, though) was an adorable, harmless creature

>>161517828
It has more to do with attitude than anything.

But let's please not have this debate.

>>161518070
What do you mean?

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I only did it because I care, /hg/

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>>161518805

>>161518070

The only way someone would have possibly gotten that is if they got the resemblances between the light chaos chao and Chaos and then somehow rationalised that being able to absorb animal features for body parts is tantamount to Chaos becoming different animal structures per different form.

>>161518805
What

>>161518070
Given the shape of the hands and head, I always thought he was a fucked-up echidna.

>>161519279
Anon's quoting the comic.

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Who else spent years reading the comics, be it online or in print, and from time to time gets depressed that despite the ups and downs, all that rich lore and history is gone?

Perhaps you flip on Sonic Mega Collection and head to the history section to look at the covers while this music plays:
https://youtu.be/t_c2RLiCHSk
and it all comes flooding back to you.

Hell, even if you like the reboot era perfectly fine, do you still feel some remorse for what was lost? What will never be?

>>161519460
There are a small number of individual characters I miss because they filled a role currently not filled in the post-reboot universe, but aside from that I'm fine letting it be.

>>161519460
Shut up, anon.
I don't want these feels right now.

>that music
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

>>161519027
Imagine if the Devil or the Angel Chaos Chao were to be mutated just like Chaos

>>161519460
I miss some villians and some people since i got into the comics by the time worlds collide ended.
>No Finitevus
>No Mogul
>No Lienda
>Monkey Khan gone is bitter feeling
hurts only a little bit.png

>>161519460
I miss the pre-reboot and it's characters in general.

>>161519460
>that mega collection browsing music
WAY too fucking deep.
It doesn't help that half the covers look like sonic is always in some super deep trouble or even about to be fucking killed. As a kid it made me think the comics were ridiculously grim and bleak.

Having read them all now, I now know that there's a lot of crap in there, but yes, I still miss them. Ian's pre-252 run especially was awesome. Hopefully he can return to that once we get off this game plot-centric shit.

>>161519460
Eh, not really.

>>161519460
Literally all the time.

>>161519460
I'm loving the new characters in the reboot, but yeah, there are some or few old characters that I will miss

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>>161519460
>https://youtu.be/t_c2RLiCHSk
>never read the comics
>still this theme gives me nostalgia

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So, if Boom completely goes away following Season 2, do you think they'll keep anything from Boom moving forward or will they throw it all away?

Do you want them to keep anything from it?

>>161519802
To add on this: I mean personally, I've never really cared for many of the pre-reboot characters, & some I thought was just downright shit (Scourge, all of the extra Echidnas, etc.), & I'm already enjoying the new characters in the comics. So honestly, I'm not missing the old universe.

>>161520126
Only one I can see SEGA keeping is Sticks.

Watch her be the new character in Project 2017.

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>>161519460
Yes.

>>161520126
Sticks will show up in crossover games like the Olympics games, but if the cartoon dies completely then they'll just dump everything else and pretend it never happened.

>>161520126
While I don't care if she stays or not, Sticks is basically the only thing in Boom I wouldn't mind keeping. However, if she were to appear in the main games EVER, give her an introduction rather than acting like she's been with the characters this whole time (See: Dulcy in Satam).

>>161519460
Of course I miss it.
Reboots... that's not how you handle comic issues.
I've been reading comics for well over 2 decades and there isn't a single comic line that doesn't have its fair share of straight up disgustingly bad arcs and eras.
But you don't give up. You rise above. You move on to brighter and fresher storyline and when the time comes you bring back old story lines and avenge them, make them better. The bad history is still history and it makes the comic line more rich and colorful. And we saw this to an extent in Ian's pre-reboot issues. Evil Sonic made into Scourge, the return of the iron queen and Naughs, the death egg 2.0, etc.
Throwing it all away is a dumb tactic. It's cheap and disgraceful. Because I guarantee you the new canon will have its own dark age in time. And what will they do? Reboot it again?
Now, obviously they had their hands tied with legality issues, but there's always a better way than dropping everything and starting over. I've seen comic lines get hit with much MUCH tougher legal issues and resolve them in more creative ways.

>>161520126
Sticks is probably the only thing they probably would consider keeping.

I'm not really sure if they would, nor am I sure if I want her to come over to the main series, solely because I don't feel like she should be there ahead of other friends that have been shafted.

>>161520492
>I've seen comic lines get hit with much MUCH tougher legal issues and resolve them in more creative ways.
Like?

>>161520492
Anon, these legal issues literally rendered 90% of the fucking continuity unusable, including every character relevant to the ongoing story. It was literally impossible.
They didn't give up because it was bad, they rebooted because otherwise the comic could literally not go on

>>161520492

The only alternative was to pay Penders for his "work" long enough for Ian to kill them off.

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>>161519460
Good riddance.

>>161520492
Fucking this. im fine with the new canon, but there's shouldn't be a seperate canon.

Worst case scenario just move on and not mention stuff you cant. You don't need to create a new fucking universe. That sounds like something a 3rd grader would come up with

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To the best of my ability, the paste bin request of "Local Hedgehog Ruins Everything" Is done more or less

Flag is pretty much a placeholder

>>161520492
Dude, it was either reboot the comics, or end the comics. They had literally no other choice. And in my opinion, the reboot was for the best, since it got rid of a lot of the baggage of the old comics.

>>161520791
Good job.

>>161520492
>>161520785
It's important to remember that almost all the material by other writers is also unusable.

Hell, imagine if they kept using Mogul and Fulop sued like he is now. Archie Sonic would be dead.

>>161519460
Of course I miss it.
Can't wait for Penders to fucking die.

>>161520791
Nice, anon!

>>161520785
>Worst case scenario just move on and not mention stuff you cant. You don't need to create a new fucking universe. That sounds like something a 3rd grader would come up with
Congrats. Now you have to continually pay someone not even working on the comics OR have most, if not all major plot developments happen off panel. In fact you'd have to off panel retcon everyone Penders made, and that's ASSUMING other writers don't take his lead and sue too, rendering their characters unusable. At that point, you'd have to change so many things that you'd have to reboot ANYWAYS

>>161520532
>>161520430
>>161520229
>>161520389
Which portrayal would better fit Sticks in the main games if she ever get some sort of role in any game?

>>161520893
>Wanting someone to die because of comics

Edgy.

>>161520893

Penders dying would just mean that they can use Chronicles characters.

>>161520126
They'll probably have to debate what to do with Sticks like other anons have said. If they bury Boom they may want to bury it completely, and if they're thinking of burying Boom in the first place after all they've done to promote it lately, they might just as well do it in full.

>>161516391
>2nd best
Bitch take that back.

>>161521072
I'm really interested in Fire & Ice's sales.

I don't imagine they're very high.

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>>161520471
Do not bully the Silver.

Also thanks for the art!

>>161519460
Considering canon is for assholes, no, I don't.

A good story is a good story regardless of if it's "canon" or not.

>>161520942
I like the idea of Sticks being Amy's feral friend, especially since Cream seems to become more like Blaze's friend.

>>161520869
I rather it be dead than a husk of its former self.

>>161520942
What was her role in Rise of Lyric?

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>>161521123
Nah.

>>161520492
The real problem is that Ian is a terrible OC writer.
He is great at taking already established lore and essentially making good fanfiction out of it. This is why the best part of the comic is almost always considered to be the pre-reboot Penders run.
He is terrible at working from scratch, so what he ends up doing if he can't use Penders' work is he just sticks to lore from the games.
That's the real tragedy about the Penders departure. He had the creativity, Ian has the direction. Alone they're much less effective.

I heard they brought on some new writers to assist with the OC freedom fighter arc coming up, so we will see if that works out better. Because this game tie in shit has gone on for way too long.

>>161521341
>This is why the best part of the comic is almost always considered to be the pre-reboot Penders run
Ian Run*
I meant Ian run!!!!!

>>161521293
That's basically what it is now. The old continuity is dead and replaced instead of forcing it to continue as a barren husk.

>>161521341
>so what he ends up doing if he can't use Penders' work is he just sticks to lore from the games. That's the real tragedy about the Penders departure. He had the creativity, Ian has the direction
Except Ian has created the majority of the OC replacements since the comic rebooted and 9/10 of them are great characters with lots of potential for future interaction and arcs.
And Penders had no creativity. Anything notable with his name on it was created by someone else, whether that someone else was also working on the comic or was a holocaust victim that he shit all over.

>>161520791
Ruining everything? He's saving everyone by killing the Iblis Trigger!

Silver's a hero!

>>161521341
>>161521427
I've been saying this for years now.
The new continuity is... it's just boring. Nothing ever happens than I give a fuck about.
Yeah, it's not bad, but it's pretty clear Ian can't think up anything on his own.

>>161521341
Making hundreds of shitty recolors where calling them one-dimensional is overstating their characterization is not creativity. Using lore from the games is never a bad thing when this is a licensed comic based on a video game franchise. Like I understand thinking that the current continuity is boring, but your reasons for thinking that are stupid.

>>161521530
The characters are fine.
The story arcs are boring Saturday morning hangover cartoon tier.

>>161521293
>Dropping a few plotlines is the same as being a husk.

The status quo of the comic has been pretty much the same through most of its run. If you think it's hollow now, that's just your opinion of the stories they're choosing to tell or your own nostalgia, not a reflection of some kind of irreparable damage caused by just not acknowledging old stories.

Fuck, it's no different than when they just weren't on-screen. What's the functional difference between Monkey Khan being retconned and him just not showing up for 100 issues? It ain't shit.

>>161521535
I was just doing what the request asked, Silver's my favourite character, broski

>>161521668
I'm joking, anon.

>>161521303
Being a npc

>>161521341
Bingo.

The comic hasn't been bad in years, but it hasn't been anything special in the same amount of time.
Everything now is just super safe. And I get that, they want to, ya know, exist as a company, but it's just so lifeless and campy.

>>161521704
Does this """""man""""" have no shame? No fucking sense or class?

>>161521341
It's not that he's a bad writer of original content.
It's that his continuity boner is far too large and he focuses on "making things work" over telling a good story.

Look at Mega Man? His original arcs were actually fun and worth reading, but the book was slow as fuck because he insisted on extremely-accurate game adaptations and setting up a million plot points for later payoff instead of just writing good stories.

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>>161521685
I didn't realize until too late
sorry

>>161521634
Honestly we'd be well off rebooting the comics entirely with a new creative team. One that hasn't played the games or read prior comics so we don't get something that merely copies what exists. Something that brings a unique style to all the characters and the comic as a whole

>>161521634
So like the pre-boot?

>>161521530
>Lots of potential
Yes, with no payoff.
Reboot has been almost 40 issues of meh.
Nothing bad. Nothing great.

That's not how you run a comic. Take some fucking risks and stop just copying games that are decades old.

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>>161521704

It was all part of the game.

>>161521840
>One that hasn't played the games or read prior comics

How about Ken Penders?

>>161521634
Setup and world building on this scale usually is. I'm just not shortsighted enough to not see the potential of the future and what it holds. You can't keep running after taking a gunshot to the leg. You have to slow down and heal before running again. And most of this shortsightedness comes from the abruptness of which the reboot happened. It happened right in the middle of an arc where things were looking up for a group of people that went through hell and we all got blue ball'd. It's unfortunate but being unintentionally spiteful and not thinking properly isn't going to change anything.

>>161521794
>but the book was slow as fuck because he insisted on extremely-accurate game adaptations
Wasn't that Kaminski's mandate?

>>161521840
>yet ANOTHER reboot
>with writers who just do whatever they want and never seen sonic shit
LAD we just got rid of Penders

>>161520791
Great work!

>>161521879
Exactly. Get someone on the comic who doesn't merely cop the games. Someone with a grand vision and a new interpretation of what Sonic should be. With what we have now there'll be no payoff
>>161521905
Someone besides him. We need our own Grant Morrison
>>161521942
But it could work this time. Give it to someone who isn't trying to adhere to what's there. What we have now can't and won't go anywhere interesting. We need things to be change from the ground up. If the FFs still exist, they need to be overhauled entirely

>>161521175
Me too. Do you think F&I sales could affect the budget or other aspects of the coming games (Mania/2017)?

>>161521879
What the fuck do you expect to get out of issues establishing characters? For them to go through 3 arcs of development all at once? Are you high? And it may or may not be but this is how it is with what happened.
And what fucking game did he copy? I'll wait.

>>161521924
The only thing we can concretely say is that the editor wanted four-part arcs. Everything else kinda seemed like it was in Ian's field of play, especially since he mashed two arcs together for Spiritus Ex Machina.

The problem wasn't that the game stories were four-parters: it was that aside from MM1 and a few issues of 3, they were fucking BORING. 1 set up a formula and then 2 and 3 repeated it instead of doing anything clever or interesting. The Powered Up arc worked because it actually told a STORY instead of just going through levels and checking bosses off a list. Same with the Super Adventure Rockman adaptation to a lesser extent.

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>>161520791

>>161522075
What I expected is for them to not play it safe for so long. He copied Unleashed and is now rehashing the Genesis games. It's too late to get anything good from this continuity or creative team, we NEED a reboot for the comic to be good again. And a full one. Everything is back at square one. New creative team, new artists, new everything.

>>161522024
>I want this adaption of a video game series to not be an adaption of that video game series

That's all you're saying.

>>161522069
I would hope not, Boom's failures (if F&I did sell bad) shouldn't affect the non-Boom stuff.

The day after the party had more people talking and interested in those games than anyone talked about Fire & Ice since it was announced.

There's very clear interest in Mania for sure and many eyes on 2017 to see what it really will be like.

>>161522107
>1 set up a formula and then 2 and 3 repeated it instead of doing anything clever or interesting.
So just like the games themselves then.

>>161521794
I don't mind a stand-alone stories, but there's nothing wrong with continuities as long as you don't let the story focus mostly on previous stories. You can still have good storytelling with original content but turns out to be canon

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>>161522024
>We need someone who doesn't know the source material.
>We need our own Grant Morrison.

You're aware that Grant does extensive research into every book he writes and a lot of his best works are about shit that he has a huge fan boner for, right? That is the complete opposite of what you were originally asking for.

>>161522158

>He copied Unleashed

Barely.

>and is now rehashing the Genesis games

25th anniversary mandate by Sega.

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>>161521813
It's alright, anon. Good work on the art.

>>161521879
>with no payoff

They've just been introduced. If you thought you were gonna get 20 years of development at the beginning stages of a rebooted comic, you're a fucking moron

>>161522172
There's a difference between adaption and aping the source material. Don't make the entire comic just pulling from the games. Have it be something wholly unique. Something that you'd never expect from Sonic
>>161522259
I meant in terms of being a visionary. Who would be closer to what I want? Not Penders. but someone who completely overhauled everything about a property and made it objectively better. Claremont maybe?

>>161522253
Yeah, in which Classic fizzled out after a few years because they kept pumping out the same game every year. Just like the comic.

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>We need something from the ground up!

Fuck off, We already have Boom.

>>161522381
Had Boom, might be more correct soon.

>>161522158
>copied Unleashed
Now that's a hot fucking joke. If anything, he hasn't copied it close enough with how much whinging has been going on since it started.
>Everything is back at square one. New creative team, new artists, new everything
That's what fucking happened. We got Baker and Stanley! on the creative team with Flynn, we got a better editor (after WU), and we got a good half-dozen new artists. Do you just have your head stuck up your ass or something? You're ignoring the behind the scenes yet complaining about the product given out. You're ignoring context just so you can whinge with the rest of them.

>>161522357
The kind of people you're thinking of are all huge fanboys who just played fast and loose with the property to make something either about the core of the franchise or reinvent it entirely.

Considering Sonic the Hedgehog is a licensed advertisement book, you're not going to get that.

>>161522357
>There's a difference between adaption and aping the source material. Don't make the entire comic just pulling from the games. Have it be something wholly unique. Something that you'd never expect from Sonic
That's literally what the entire post-reboot has been so far. The parts of the continuity adapted from the video games have been nothing like their respective games.

>>161522339
I'm just speaking as someone that reads a fuck ton of comics all the time. It doesn't take this long to get payoff from an arc. This is, by comparison to other lines in the medium, objectively bad storytelling and even worse pacing. That's all.

>>161522479
The point is it's all been boring as shit.

>>161522431
Some of those have been on for a while as of now. We need completely fresh blood

>>161522479
It's kept the plots rlfrom really expanding and straight up doing things with consiquences.
It's been meh at best.

>>161522561
>replace what we have for no other reason than to have change
Stop it. Get some help.

>>161522482
>It doesn't take this long to get payoff from an arc

If this comic didn't have to deal with hiatuses & crossovers, we probably would've gotten some payoff by now.

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You faggots need to stop acting like when the "reboot" happened, the old comics "died".

Everything that happened in the old universe led up and caused the new universe. Without the old canon, there is no new canon.
Think about it. They didn't just end the comic and restart a new story at issue #1. They kept it going.

You guys can shit on Countdown to Chaos all you want, but that arc makes is specifically clear that everything happening is an extension of and furthermore a cause of the old continuity. It's not so much a reboot but a redirection.
So yes, the characters may not be able to remember what happened back in issue 146 or whatever, but that stuff still happened. It still mattered. And now life goes on.

>>161522538
Okay but that's a completely different problem.

>>161522575
The Unleashed plot was expanded to hell and back, the fuck are you talking about?

>>161522357
After the Genesis arc is over, we might have something original and unique with Sonic and Antoine in the next arc.

>>161522538
Exactly
>>161522561
Oh, and they should remove all the mandates because they hold the comic back
>>161522482
Exactly. The fact there's no payoff is unacceptable. Everyone should be incredibly developed by this point, it's bad writing and the world is unsalvageable. Reboot it all and remove all the mandates. Let the creative teams go wild

>>161522575
The current Universe arc has absolutely nothing to do with a video game, and neither did the one before it, and the one before that was only tangentially related. And all of these arcs had consequences for future stories.

>>161522696
>After the Genesis arc is over, we might have something original and unique with Sonic and Antoine in the next arc.
Oh wow, 40 issues into this thing we might get something good?
Yay...

>>161522482
It's poorly paced, but not really bad. Too many groups of characters were introduced too quickly for the sake of being introduced rather than because they benefited a particular story.

>>161522670
This x1000

>>161522723
>Oh, and they should remove all the mandates because they hold the comic back
Yeah, good luck convincing Sega of that.

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Reading through the comics, I noticed this
"Blast of Fun"? It's literally just bottled water

BOTTLED. WATER.

>>161522610
The comic needs change to be good. >>161522696
It's too late for that. Everyone is too underdeveloped and nobody has a reason to care. We need to reboot to square one. Have the reboot have them all meet for the first time, that kinda thing. Revert all development so you can develop them in new ways. Yes, even undo Bunnie and Ant's marriage, Ant'd bravery, and Nicole getting her holo form

>>161522781

would you rather you get nothing instead?

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>>161522420
I like how everyone just apparently went with this even though it was just a comment by an unknown anonymous poster.

>>161522670
Couldn't agree more.

This is also the perfect compromise between. Preboot fans and reboot fans.

>>161522670
Pretty much. Yes, it's a new universe, & the characters memories of the old one faded away, but what happened in the old comics affected the new comics.

>>161522781
Yes, because the old universe had all of it's development in it's first 40 issues, right?

>>161522851
They don't, shitposter-kun. I knew it was you all along. You speak too much in idiotic absolutes. You've outed yourself again. Maybe next time.

>>161522851
>It works when there's over 100 issues of nothing preceding Ian's run.
>It doesn't work when there's 40 issues of meh instead.
This is flawless logic and in no way a shitpost.

>>161522863
I'd rather get a reboot where it can be good from day one
>>161522834
If they can't get rid of the mandates the comic can't be good. All they do is hold it back
>>161522938
It had a good part of it in those 40 issues, and was kind of decent. The characters are too underdeveloped to salvage. We need to revert them back to basics. Basically act as if the last 23 years never happened

About to start Sonic 06 for the first time. Never even watched a video of this, I have NO idea what I'm getting myself into. Wish me luck /sthg/.

>>161522876
It's not that I believe them, but Boom really doesn't look like it's in a good place. The TV show seems to be poorly treated despite getting ok'd for a second season and the lack of any real talk surrounding Fire & Ice doesn't have me thinking it's doing great.

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Do not reply to poor b8.

>>161522938
Not to be an ass, but pretty much everything that mattered in terms of characterization and status quo at the start of Ian's run carried over from around issue 40...so yeah. Little bit.

>>161523048
Try not to be too disappointed with the final product. It was pretty rushed. Like Crash Twinsanity rushed.

>>161523048
Just keep in mind
Silver is best 'hog

>>161523048
I cannot wish you luck but I can send you my prayers.

>>161522670
>>161522938
Agreed.

I personally look at Countdown to Chaos as more of a bridge between the old and new universes rather than a straight up reboot. During it, the new universe has been created, but the characters can still remember the old one and their actions are a response to what has just happened. Afterwards, they move on to their new lives.

>>161523048
Do NOT die in Wave Ocean.

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FOR GOD SAKES

WE'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER REBOOT

FUCK OFF.

>>161523048
Just be prepare for the Silver boss battle anon. Have fun.~

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>>161523115
>Twinsanity
>Bad

>>161523195
Relax. The only person who's calling for another reboot is just one shitposter.

>>161523110
But again, Ian's run began in the 160th issue of the comic.

>>161523110
Objectively false. But of course, you coached your statement with "everything that mattered" so you'll just say something else doesn't matter even though it does.

>>161523141
>I personally look at Countdown to Chaos as more of a bridge between the old and new universes rather than a straight up reboot.
That's because that's exactly what it is.
I don't know why more people don't understand this.
Countdown to Chaos is a huge fucking bone being thrown to nostalgiafags that basically says "Yes, all that shit with knotville, and Scourge, and the Iron Queen, and the Xorda, and Enerjak, and fucking high school blues? Yeah that still happened. But now we are moving on from that"

And yet people still get upset. "WAAAAAAHHHHHHH I WANT MINA BACK!"
Well too bad faggot but listen it could have Ben worse for you. They could have started off at a new issue 1 with literally no mention or connection to the previous universe and have nobody have a recollection of anything.
Take your chips and leave the table. At least you still have some.

>>161523083
But this generalized mood and the comments that Sega is going to discontinue the series completely have only surfaced after that post.

>>161522839
Never underestimate how easily manipulated children are.

>>161523432
Dingdingdingdingding
W I N R A R

You know, you could fix the comic by having the FFs develop differently. Instead of say, Antoine predictably becoming brave, he instead stays a coward, and perhaps realizes that he's not cut out to be an FF and tries to find something else to do
Conversely, someone like Bunnie could try to settle for a normal life, but given her condition, have her have a difficult time with it and realize that she's more in her element when she's fighting, so she starts to enjoy being an FF more and more

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>>161523532
>you could fix the comic by having the FFs develop differently

Not this Nigger again.

>>161523432
>They could have started off at a new issue 1 with literally no mention or connection to the previous universe and have nobody have a recollection of anything.
I would've preferred that, honestly.

>>161522670
Screenshotted and saved so I can post this the next time this debate comes up.

>>161523578
Do you really want the same thing except watered down?

This is a new generation for new fans anon, it is time to let go.

>>161523585
I wouldn't have mind if that they did that, but doing it the way they did was a nice way of throwing those old fans a bone, despite it being a new universe, & all.

>>161523585
It certainly would have made things less confusing, but I understand and respect the decision to not just drop nearly 2 decades and 152 issues of history completely.

>>161523578
I'm not saying to make Bunnie Jason Todd (Seriously what the fuck was THAT), I'm just saying that with the reboot, you could've started them off like they were in issue 1 of the pre-reboot, but instead of rehashing their arc from the pre-reboot, try something new. After all, the best part of a reboot is that you can try something new
>>161523706
Exactly. Why rehash things when you can try something new?

Stop replying to shitty b8.

I wish we got an Inception-like arc where Nicole enters the dreams of each FF and interacts with them.

>>161523412
Quit using the word "objectively"

>>161523432
>Yeah that still happened. But now we are moving on from that"
Aka everything you loved is now gone and you need to fuck off forever

>>161523713
Didn't really work for me, kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. I'd rather they just had stopped following that continuity completely and fully create the new current one with no connection.

Leave the wondering and adventures of that canon to the fans, never bring it up again of course, but not erase it (or rather overwrite it).

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>>161523706
>>161523757

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>>161524013

>>161524094
Nice Photoshop

The thing is that the memories arc was mandated. Ian and crew originally wanted to do a straight up reboot, but the editor wanted the previous continuity to be acknowledged in order to make money off of trade paperbacks. Even the characters have forgotten everything by the time Champions was finished. The Genesis Wave was even retconned, sort of. It even said in an editor's note in Worlds Unite. The Super Genesis Wave re-wrote ALL of history, thus erasing everything before, during, and after Worlds Collide that had to to with the old continuity. Countdown to Chaos was just reality adjusting.

>>161523925
Right. But they can have some Solace in knowing it was relevant. That's all.

>>161524139
I don't even have Photoshop retard. Sorry you can't handle the idea that someone else likes my idea

>People still talking about this
>People still don't understand why the characters Flynn introduced haven't been developed

We literally JUST finished the first arc since the reboot. Consider that. It was a globetrotting arc to introduce all the new characters, and re-introduce the old ones. We had 3 years of new characters.

We now have tons of material to go forward and develop an interesting story. This was just act 1.

>>161523939
Isn't that what they're doing now? They made references to the old canon, but are now forgetting about it so they can focus on the new continuity

>>161523432
Wouldn't Scourge (and similar) be literally dead due to the multiverse collapsing?

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>>161523706

>This is a new generation for new fans anon, it is time to let go.

except the Sonic comics are incredibly niche and changing shit for the sake of changing shit would probably piss off more people than it would bring in new fans

I'm not arguing against character development, but making Antoine a pussy again isn't the best way to go about it.

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>>161523330
The game's not bad it was just a mess sometimes with all the glitches, same as 06 but just with a better story.

>>161523330
Never said it was bad. Just rushed. The only difference between Crash Twinsanity and Sonic 06 is that Twinsanity had a good story, less glitches, and a lot more stuff cut out.

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>>161524208
>this was just act 1
>act 2 will get alot harder

>>161524239
Yes, they are. Actually, pretty much everyone from that old universe is dead, aren't they?

>>161524147
They need the memories excuse so that in case they for whatever reason need to reference a preboot event, since it caused all of this, they can have a character conveniently have some diologue reference it, presumably before they forget that. We had Naughs for instance referencing preboot events in a Sonic Universe comic a few issues back.

>>161524343

Old Snively may or may not still be in the Wily Egg.

GUYS I FOUND SOME NEW FOOTAGE OF 2017
https://youtu.be/m7Q0_DgXHG0

Sonic comics are an all-ages action-adventure series based on an all-ages action-adventure cartoon mascot platformer series. Realistically the main comic is monthly because Universe usually handles characters that aren't in the main comic. With this in mind, the characters work better if they have established distinct and consistent personalities that don't change much besides being fleshed out a bit here and there. You don't need massive amounts of character development in order to tell a good story, therefore ruining a character just for the sake of change is stupid, and advocating ruining characters just for the sake of change is just shitty hack writing that misses the purpose of the comic.

>>161524241
>I'm not arguing against character development, but making Antoine a pussy again isn't the best way to go about it.
You're right. He could turn into something else. He doesn't have to be the brave knight again. He could be a mischevious sort, or a good actor, or something like that. He doesn't have to be a fighter or what he was before. Same with Bunnie. She doesn't HAVE to get with Antoine. She can be something else now. Perhaps explore the idea of her being uncomfortable in her own skin more. Have her stick out amongst normal people.

Maybe have her feel more at home on the battlefield where her limbs aren't something that sticks out poorly, but rather an asset

Or for example, have Nicole as someone who tries to be real once she gains sentience, but unlike the pre-reboot, never manages it. Her attempts actively scare the FFs as she doesn't quite understand what a "real" form of herself should look like

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I just listened to My Sweet Passion in full for the first time, Sonic Team sure wasn't hiding the creepy stalker aspect of Amy.

>Won't mind painting myself blue for you

>But the Sphinx looked so cute I had to shave it

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>>161524267

You better believe it.

Adding on to what I said. Most characters got spotlighted in only one arc. Only a few got more than one arc, and I think only knuckles, team dark, and the freedom-fighters got more than two arcs. In 3 years.

Those characters aren't going to just disappear.

Is there any scan of sonic megadrive?

>>161523330
>>161524013
>>161524259
You know, I'd be all for making a Crash Bandicoot General (/cbg/, if you will) if I knew how to go about it.

>>161524343
Captain Metal might have survived the Genesis Wave.

>>161524459
Well with that in mind, the ideal thing to have would have them be different but still simple.
So Antoine would be the trickster/coward, Bunnie would be the girl that likes punching stuff, Sally would be the reluctant princess, Rotor would be the overly eager scientist, and Nicole would be the straight man

>>161524494
What's funny is that despite how creepy the song sounds, Amy hasn't even done anything like that in the games.

I have no idea what they were thinking making that song.

>>161524238
I'd rather they never made the reference/connection at all. I know all those characters and stories are overwritten or dead like >>161524239.

I would've been a lot happier as a pre-reboot fan and probably more accepting of the reboot had they not did that. At least I could pretend Scourge was still mucking around in the pre-reboot world, but I can't. He's dead and overwritten in-universe.

>>161524619
No, that's dumb because now they're completely different characters. You've now ruined what old fans liked about them, when you could've just used different characters instead.

>They need the memories excuse so that in case they for whatever reason need to reference a preboot event, since it caused all of this, they can have a character conveniently have some diologue reference it, presumably before they forget that.
What pre-reboot event could possibly have effected the new universe besides the Genesis Wave (which has already been explained)?

>We had Naughs for instance referencing preboot events in a Sonic Universe comic a few issues back.
What are you talking about?

>>161524494
>>161524638
Follow Me is a much better Amy song and it isn't even technically an Amy song.

>>161524494
It's creepy, alright. That's why I chose Follow me as Amy's better theme song

>>161524238
>Isn't that what they're doing now? They made references to the old canon, but are now forgetting about it so they can focus on the new continuity
Essentially, yes. It's the ideal compromise.
Lore-wise, the reboot was caused by events that resulted in the culmination of the original comics.
So issues 1-151 still "matter" in that regard.
But outside of that they're gone. Wiped. Erased. Hasta LA Vista.

>>161524692
Not exactly. Nicole's always been the straight man, Rotor's always loved building crazy bullshit, Sally's always been stressed as fuck, and Antoine would still be kinda sorta comic relief with a cowardly flair. The only different one would be Bunnie and to be fair her character began and ended at her robotic limbs, so making her willing to fight anyone and everyone would be an improvement

Outside of Bunnie they're not THAT different

>>161524765
meant for >>161524413

>>161524765
It's all butterfly effected.

Keep in mind that after issue 200, Eggman goes fucking crazy, as a result of all his past defeats in the earlier issues. He then, at that point, makes his primary goal going forward to be the creation of a new universe he controls. This leads us to the new universe we have now.

So yeah, it's all relevant to an extent, but not in a way that it's important for someone threading right now to understand what happened in the original series of comics.

Actuallu, it's really the perfect meeting in the middle that should keep all very one happy, preboot and reboot fans alike.
the preboot shit is all gone, but it still mattered.

>>161524517
>we will get an issue where Cassia sees clove bite the dust
>we will get a chapter seeing eggman lock Thunderbolts cybernetics and leave her to gather dust in an empty room
PANIC

>>161525047
This post perfectly explains why nobody needs to argue about this shit anymore.

>>161525047
This. Now everybody go home and be happy.

>inb4 someone is still not happy because they want it to be all their way and not a compromise

>>161525047
Well said anon

>>161523412
No, seriously, the start of Ian's run basically rolled the status quo back to the end of Mecha Madness, right down to having King Acorn deathly ill again and Sonic and Sally having just recently gotten over a spat. It just also enjoyed being able to pick up all the shit, forgotten plot points from the intervening years.

Doesn't really matter, it's just interesting to note that the first forty issues are the only context you actually need for Ian's run.

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>tfw found these and getting hyped.

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>>161524807
So you want SatAM? You just want SatAM in comic form, and you want nothing to change because the characters are too, what, "complex"? "Underdeveloped"? Come on.

>>161525292
Not really. What I'm suggesting is a different development for those base characterizations. Unless Antoine was a trickster and Bunnie really, really liked fighting things in that show, I don't think it's that similar

>>161525281
The world needs a hero to stand up to that blue menace and his sidekick... the smaller and cuter other blue menace