path of exile general

there is an incredibly strong build called called Fire Wave Totems. This is about the 8th ot 9th indirect buff to it Chris has released this year. a variant of the build was in the top10 100s of this league I believe

>still no FREEposting

i fucked up the title

remake if you care

>>161424671
no we're already shitposting here we can't move to the next map until 0 monsters remain

>>161424495
>>161424542
haha discord memes xD

>discord shitposting on full force
I'm out

vspark inq come at me:

poeurl.com/R4Z

>you will never join the exclusive /vg/ discord so you can have friends?

someone inv pls....

>>161424976
why would you want to do that

Kaom a shit and the Karui suck,Chitus did nothing wrong.

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Summoner or Flicker for BHC>?

>>161425143
crit aw blade flurry

dont care wghat yoreui thinking abotu ever

>>161425223
rude

>>161424971
shit attack speed
delete this piece of shit tree

>>161425029
im very lonely

>>161425295
so get someone to invite you to the guild
and then see if you like the discord retards from your limited exposure there

poeg i need help, is this build ""ok"" for ehc using scorching ray cwc flame surge? i never play spell casters

http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAEDAQN1A9YEswYOBsMJ9gthDc0RDxJpE6UUIBZvFxwZLho4Gj4abBzOHRQkqibzJy8n7SkuKo0rUC3SNZI22DbpOlg64TsNPC09_EbXSRtN41BHVcZXDVhjWHdZ818EXz9j_WZUZp5oZWjycXlxhXIPdqx65ny4ggeCm4Nfg8yD24zPj0aQVZErkc6Ub5ZsmjuboZ2unz6iAKZXpqOsmK2Nr2yvp7FCtz65frvtvWDAZsRYxPbGBMauxtjPftIh1HzVpti92WHZfNq54XPjauQi7FXtPO8O7-vwH_Fs8azyQfJF85v2SPfX-tL-Cv5U_o8=

>>161425295
you can join my guild, contact me ingame IGN: Vowel.

>>161425429
>is this build ""ok""
>scorching ray cwc flame surge

no

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>>161425429
>cwc flame surge

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>ftw checking a mirror shop just to see stuff I'll never have and see an amulet worse than one I sold for 10 chaos at the beginning of essence league

I may have fucked up. worst is, it was at 20c but I lowered the price cause it was taking time to sell

I may just have beat catposter in dumb

>>161424971
>102pts

UGH that's only like lvl80

>>161425582
i'm not one who plays meta builds or meta skills.

>>161425642
who gives a shit if there's shiny things in a dumpster unless you live in that dumpster.

>>161425680
so instead you play complete dumpster builds?

great job buddy. maybe mommy will put your skill tree on the fridge

>>161425667
>UGH that's only like lvl80
EXACTLY

>>161425680
the fuck are you on about? it's a new skill and a new support. idkwtf meta means to you or care what you play, but those will be 2 popualr gems to start the league. you using them to interact with flame surge only says "youre not one who plays" jackshit. learn to read or play more to learn.

So will performance on bad PC's be improved with this? Or will it be worse?

FPS wasn't really a problem, just all those fucking loading lock ups

>>161425874
it takes half a day to reach lvl80. by the time you can actually afford CI gear you'd be over 90

>>161425761
i printed out a screenshot of ym demi for a person and gave it to them, didnt work out.

>>161425874
it's gonna be mostly blade flurry next league, don't fool yourself. scorching ray isn't gonna see much play

>>161425220
>blade flurry
:puke:

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Anons, going bear trap/EK trap Assasin with Xoph's bow and Signal Fire. 100% hipster trash but I'm going to play casual this league.
Should I go Acrobatics/Evasion or CI?

Wonder if this DX11 mode will work in Vista?

>>161425931
those have been improved. nothing compares to a SSD tho

>>161425962
> afford CI gear
stop telling me what i can afford when. it sounds like you telling me about how you cant afford shit at all.

>>161426184
noob

>>161426036
stop talking about shit no body knows like you do. it's insulting to others, because you act like theyre more retarded than you and cant stop drooling nonsense.

>>161426087
great question, let us know

Help a kinda noobie out.

I'm thinking of starting off the new Breach League with dual (through ancestral bond) Ancestral Warchief Berserker build. I recently played dual siege ballista (yes, I know of the +10 SB-build, but found dual ballista easier) and liked the playstile alot.

So, my main question is if this build does well in a party of three. Secondly, what are some of the things you should pay attention to when playing in party? What I understand some skills are very weak when doing party, but figured you can scale AW to pretty insane dips while still having high survivability, which makes good for party play. Right?

>>161424976
https://discord.gg/hajsS

>>161426303
idk man people have already tried playing with scorching ray and blade flurry and come to the conclusion that blade flurry is opieop and scorching ray is rather meh

>>161426368
aw is shit in party because by the time your totems start dpsing your buddy who is a slayer split arrow or inq spark or ass anything or w/e has already killed everything

>Been theorycrafting elemental ice crash for new league
>GGG posts new map mods that make it abundantly clear everyone is going to be playing CI

Well fuck, guess I'm playing caster#314921 this league

>>161426639
based freeposter

>>161426072
Go Sabo, Bear Trap Prolif's super high damage.

Also Trap Bladefall's way better than Trap EK. Trap EK just doesn't work cause the aim's all shit.

>>161426639
man I wish i could get a frEE you every now and then

>>161426413
>people have already tried playing
patch notes tomorrow, ape whatever people say on reddit back here like it's news then

>>161426536
Fug, kinda what I experienced with my dual ballista build. One of my mates played tornado shot bleed+poison and wrecked everything himself in a 3 man party in 2 secs. Would my totems be of any help even in single-target situations? :((((

>>161427225
Yeah they'll help there.
Tbf when I played aw it was a meme crit dagger scion version.

are the supporter packs worth it?

>>161427428
Absolutely

>>161427527
>>161427428
... not

>>161427428
i immediately think less of someone when i see them running around in $400 supporter armor

>>161427343
I'll probs try AW out anyway, feels like a nice way to start off a fresh league.
Maybe I'll go for some kind of trapper or Essence Drain Occultist when I've built up my currency. Chaos is sexy.

Thanks for the help, anon.

>>161427527
>>161427913
I've never bought one before, but I'm a sucker for capes with physics

>>161427428
If you want the mtxs

>>161427913
>being this bitter

>>161427946
it's definitely good for solo play and nice and cheap if you go rt so yeah it should be a decent way to start fresh league

>>161427963
it's unironically easier to make $400 than it is to win a HC demi

>>161428059
What does rt mean?

>>161428125

resolute technique

you can't crit but you also can't miss so you can focus on raw damage/survivability

>>161427946
>Essence Drain Occultist
Sucks in parties too (kinda),since by the time the degen start kicking in the mobs will most likely be dead by the others.Your curses will help though (if you go multi-curse of course).

>>161428230
Oh right, nice. Thanks.

>>161427952
oh you're talking about the $60 breach one then. yeah, go for it if you want

>>161428343
Tried out DD Occultist but that character never got powerful enough clear mid-tier maps solo. But I liked when packs of monsters insta evaporated in a pink cloud. Desecrate was a pain in the ass sometimes, though. Cooldowns suck.

>>161426536
Does this mean AW is shit in general? Even if youre solo, any other build couldve killed everything already by the time the totem is up?

>>161428936
F R E E meatshield

guys is it ok to play sc this league? my wife and her son are just straight annoying after i lost my job, pestering me everyday. cant focus on anything.

>>161426989
Xoph's provides proliferate, and Sabo is nice but BT isn't spammable and critting super hard and causing (I figure) a 1million DPS ignite beats Sabo's perks.
Just cant figure out whether Eva or ES is the way to go. The ES tree is much prettier but I've never done pure ES with a character that can't leech...

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:^)

>>161429579
i laughed have a (you)

>>161429579
you should prob rip yourself, i heard life is hc so they wont be burdened when you don't come back.

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>>161429579
You need to go further, this weak memeage wont cut it in the age of memes

>>161429579
if you dont stand for something, youll fall for anything

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>patch notes are released
>no BV nerfs
>no CI nerfs
>no PF nerfs
>no vinktar nerfs
>no blade flurry nerfs

>>161429686
You don't need anywhere close to 100% leech to stay full HP after VRF.

>>161425642
>see an amulet worse than one I sold for 10 chaos

it wasnt worse

>>161430058
>Flasks don't recharge till their buff has expired
>Glacial hammer nerfed
>Life on tree decreased
>The writhing jar can spawn malachai

>>161430058
Remember, your build will never be nerfed if it's a GGG-approved one.

>>161430058

>no armor buffs
>melee fixes pushed back to 3.0
>life on items reduced

>>161429686
vrf is not a hit

>>161430058
>weapon range buffed
>still doesnt do anything for the melee skills like glacial hammer
Why does GGG have such a conversion hard on anyways?
I just want to be able to transform into a bear or werewolf

>>161430436
It is. Leech works.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H0jgbQT6q3Zdny5J_rk27wHtpyG1PsBKfGNpecXD0zQ/edit?pageId=102781120140142495418#gid=0

mechanicssssssssss

>>161428936
>>161426536
>>161426368

AW totems still have great clear speed and is literally T1. Don't listen to that retard, you drop your bonker shield charge to the next pack and drop another while your first bonkadonk one shotted that first pack. Your buddies can kill whatever managed to escape your aoe.

Besides decent clear it is amazing for bosses since they taunt and generally shield you from projectiles that dont pierce. The single target is higher than most builds too considering you can drop them and have 99% dps uptime while your buddies will have to stop dpsing in order to dodge shit.

dont worry, only absolute shit builds and degen builds have serious issues with party play.

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>Still no patch notes
CHRIIIIIIIIISSSSSS

>>161430436
>>161430654
Wait, thought you meant the actual VRF wasn't a hit, not the affect of casting it. Yeah the cast isn't a hit.

sleep 0-4
wake up 5-9

Hey guys, any tips for making a HC viable Vaal Righteous Fire build? Was thinking of busting one out in the new HC Breach league.

>>161430709
They're probably shitting themselves over the outcry on leddit yesterday about there being no anti-ES map mod and scrambling to implement something like "energy shield recharges 15% slower" with 30% packsize and 20% iiq

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>>161431104

>>161431104
get a million ES

>>161431135
>no regen now applies to ES
stop reading the garbage redditards post

>>161431135
>They're probably shitting themselves
no. no they are not.

>>161431234
That one only applies to zealot's oath ES regen. Actual energy shield recovery is called recharge.

>>161431234
>Zealot's Oath
>relevant
ayyyyyy

>>161430683
To be fair, that poster confessed he only played AW when it was a scion crit meme build. Also, I was thinking of going 2H=no shield charge. But man, that new Tukohama shield looks too nice to miss out on.

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Are they finnaly going to have the balls to remove immunity from this gem?

>>161432012
OH YOU DONT THINK THEY HAVE THE !ALLS THEY WILL SHOW YOU BROTHER, THEY CARE AND YOU MATTER

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>0~4 - BF Elementalist
>5~9 - MS Juggernaut

>>161431104
Go CI, easier to scale ES than life. Use lightning trap and Elemental Equilibrium to up your damage (maybe elemental overload as well?), have Vaal pact and some form of leech (dont even need much leech cause your DPS is ridiculous), NEVER discharge against something that cant be leeched or when there is no target close. Dont get too cocky and avoid double-triple reflect situations. better safe than sorry. Use decoy totem so boss doesnt touch your health before he gets it

GG, no re.

Also Vaal RF is prolly only used on bosses, doubt you can scale the soul farming to use it as sole skill, but hey be my guest and research if its possible with league items and whatnot

>>161432515
vaal RF damage can't be reflected

>>161432580
it cant? I had this vague idea it could. was it originally like that?

poeurl.com/R5B

this is my patented vaal RF build

don't steal it

>>161432580
>>161432637
nvm I was probably thinking of DD, which got the cant be reflected a few patches ago along with infernal blow

PATCH NOTES
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1773975

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1773975
PATCH NOTES

IT'S HERE

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>>161432994

>Reduced the maximum number of Summoned Raging Spirits to 20

SRS got the BV treatment.

>>161432994
blade flurry still too strong

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>>161432994
>>161433023

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>tfw a wageslave
>tfw at work time flies several times faster than while playing vidya
>tfw basically have to wait 1 day until 2.5.0 and not 3 like the most of you
>tfw will be dying sooner than most of you too
>tfw no welfare system in this country so I could stop being a wageslave and just play vidya all day
>tfw on the other hand wageslaving gets me all the newest stuff I want, poe supporter packs included
>tfw no debts and my $$$ pool is also growing
>tfw can't retire yet since not enough $$$ yet to support me for the rest of my life

It's literally nothing
A few nerfs here and there, but essentially nothing
Pretty boring, desu senpai

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>>161432994

Many monsters in end-game maps have been rebalanced, fixing cases where they did too little damage.

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>Raider Ascendancy Changes:

>Avatar of the Veil's elemental damage has been increased to 40%.
>Avatar of the Chase's increase to Onslaught effect has been increased to 100%.
>Way of the Poacher now has a 20% chance to gain a frenzy charge on kill or on hitting a rare or unique enemy.
>Rapid Assault now has a 100% chance to gain Onslaught on kill.
>Quartz Infusion now has a 100% chance to gain Phasing on kill.
>The minor Ascendancy skills leading up to Avatar of the Chase now grant 20% increased Onslaught duration, instead of 5% attack speed.

looks like my raider blade flurry build is actually happening

Wow what a shitty patch notes, ES flameblast/ Earthquake / Blade flurry are the only viable skills this patch.

And by viable I mean waaaaaay better than anything else out there lol. With flameblast probably going to be the best skill in game.

>>161432994
>>161433023
>Combine 100 Splinters of the same type together to create a Breachstone.

So picking up currency isn't annoying enough, they add new currency that you need to pick up hundreds of? How fucking dumb is GGG

>>161433645

>flameblast meta

IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE

>>161433592
I always liked Raider desu.Avatar of the Veil so underrated.

>>161433592
holy shit. THe Way of the poacher is superb, it'S FREE frenzy generation on bosses, no need for a clunky frenzy switching.

I'm HYPE

>>161432994
>Cospri's Malice and Mjölner now have 250ms cooldowns on triggering socketed skills (up from 100ms).

>>161433592
>Essence of Delirium gets a 2500 base damage nerf
Those who used them on item must be dissapointed, they were probably especting a 10000 damage nerf

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>>161433698
This is when they introduce mtx pets that pick them up for you.

Oh boy, SRS with max block/spell block here I come

>>161433698
At least it stacks,like Perandus coins so it's only one spot.

>"of Hemomancy", the mod that gave all characters Blood Magic, will no longer appear on maps.

?

>>161433802
>It is also retroactive
RIP

So the only things they did to blade flurry was make it's effective radius a little smaller and took 5% IAS away?

IT'S FUCKING NOTHING

Actually it's fucking retarded

>Buff monster damage
>Leave ES alone
>Leave Life alone
>Gut Blade Vortex
>Reduce Blade Flurry AoE by 15% and More attack speed by 5%, now it's balanced :^)))))
>Massively buff all totem nodes on the tree
>Buff golems to hell
>Buff skeletons (???)
>Buff SRS
>Buff Scorching Ray
>Buff Blight
>Raider made viable at last
>Nerf Ancestral Warchief, but the totem node buff makes this meaningless anyway
>Gut Rumi's rather than address flask effectiveness
>Gut Facebreakers
>Kill flask charge on crit
>Nerf Twilight Strand (???????????????)

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>no buff for scion

>>161433929
The BEST change of them all.

Can actually do unid maps as a CI character now.

So

Uh

They... They buffed totems through the roof? I don't understand

>>161432994
Nice buffs to Raider imo

where is the FUCKING melee video GGG

I want to see it in action

>>161433943
>IAS
more* (slightly bigger deal)

>Reduced the damage penalty on Ranged Attack Totem to match Spell Totem. At gem level 1, it has changed from -50% to -35%. At gem level 20, it has changed from -31% to -26%.

Still shit fuck you GGG buff it properly

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>>161434073
totems man... don't you get it?
put your totems there... watch tv... woah the way it's meant... to be played

tl;dr

Blade Flurry is still the best melee skill in the game by a mile

Totems are the new black

Blade Vortex is kill

Pathfinder unchanged

Life/ES parity is unchanged

Raider is viable

So they took 10% damage away from AW but then they buffed every totem node in the tree by 20-25%?

Any estimate if this makes it +-0 damage wise or what?

Guess I'm going with that raider build

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Is it time for raider CI flicker strike?

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>>161432994
>>161433023
>Another CI league
>Play totems or fake melee furry
wew lads...

So now that raider got buffed whats looking to be the best class for BF? Ass-ass-in, inquisitor, pathfinder, or raider?

>gain flask charges on crit gutted
>The Master Surgeon Node now has 100% chance to trigger (up from 15%) to help compensate for this change.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>161433964
tbf blade flurry aoe is small to begin with and the 15% nerf will make it borderline unplayable without some +aoe(so that means raiders will have to use the gem)

>>161434530
Assassin, still. Easier on gear reqs and scales super well with bleed and poison.

>>161433964
Ye its absolutely retarded.

> blade flurry gets its clearspeed nerfed a tiny bit
> blade vortex gutted (deserved)
> Life and ES NO CHANGE AT ALL (like seriously do you want everyone to play fucking flameblast?)
> buff melee range (which is kind of pointless if issues such as life being way lower than energy shield are not addressed)


I don't know if the nerf to ancestral warchief is a real nerf. I don't know how the ranges are / were. I mostly used it on my earthquake to get some extra damage in on a boss so it's still worth using probably not as good as it was though.

Twilight strand nerf probably because GGG looked at how often levelling areas were played and thought twilight strand was farmed over and over by people while it were actually bots.

>>161434556
You fokken wot

Blade Flurry AoE with one cluster and increased aoe gem reaches pretty much to the edge of the screen

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>open patch notes
>ctrl+f "pathfinder"
>0 results

>Facebreaker's critical strike multiplier has been reduced to 45%. A Divine Orb can be used to reroll the stats within this new range.
So, Legacy Facebreaker are going to be expensive as hell now?

ignite still double dips

>>161434665
Pathfinder is dead. Flask charge on crit only applies to one flask instead of all flasks.

>>161434664
raider will be meta and you can't get blast radius or amplify as raider

>10% less AW damage
>+10 range
>all totem tree nodes increased by 20-25% damage

Im confused, did they want to nerf or buff it?

>>161434635
what does the life/es thing have to do with flameblast?

Is poison kill?

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>Reduced monster pack density in the Twilight Strand slightly.

??????????????????????????

>>161434725
I guess ignite/poison/bleed will be nerfed 3.0?

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>Way of the Poacher now has a 20% chance to gain a frenzy charge on kill or on hitting a rare or unique enemy.


Could this finally be the league where i make my 18 APS epilepsy checker flicker work?

>>161430058
Honestly I'm only expecting Vinkar's tuning this patch and BV/CI/PF rework/balance and BF nerfs in later patches. And personally I don't really give a shit, if people can still play PF BV CI again.

>>161433929
Basically another buff for energy shield.

I'm pretty upset at GGG for delivering such a shitty balance patch. The only thing they did deliver on was blade vortex nerf. The thing with blade flurry is, it's way better than almost any other skill only flameblast is better due to broken ignite mechanics and extreme safety on hardcore leagues.

I'd say earthquake is around 60% as good as blade flurry after the nerf.

minor flurry nerfs and NO assassin changes. it's like the meta of yesterday is tomorrow. ok

How the fuck are you supposed to build around the new "game changing" uniques when they don't release the details?

>>161428078
i honestly cant tell if this is taking the piss out of HC or SC players. it could apply to both

Did GGG forget that scion exists?

>that SRS buff
SRS meta confirmed

>>161435158
Who?

also i told you all vspark Raider was elite

How the fuck is SRS "buffed" now

>>161435158
The what? is that a Unique?

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>Cospri's Malice and Mjölner now have 250ms cooldowns on triggering socketed skills (up from 100ms).
CoCkrows on suicide watch

wait guys does EQ benefit from the weapon range increase?

>>161434635
>Twilight strand nerf probably because GGG looked at how often levelling areas were played and thought twilight strand was farmed over and over by people while it were actually bots.
yes

>>161435291
Way less casts needed to get the same amount of damage output

>>161435291
you need to cast less spirits, because they deal more damage per spirit
it's just like the BV change in the previous patch

>patch notes
it's fucking nothing

>>161435303
still enough to do 30 second strands with

cant do endgame bosses now though

>>161435491
>>161435496
I guess that significantly reduced your "wind-up" time when running around, let's see if it doesn't destroy AoE clear though.

>>161434665
Pathfinder has been sufficiently crucified by the flask charge gain changes.

>>161435326
No.

>>161435291
You're never really running around with 50 SRS, but you will pretty much always have 20. You'll even have time to do other things as well if you're a necromancer.

>>161434963
Why is everything in the raider tree broken as fuck now?

Many monsters in end-game maps have been rebalanced, fixing cases where they did too little damage.

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>Grand Spectrum's increased elemental damage has been reduced to 4%. A Divine Orb can be used to reroll the stats within this new range.
What the fuck is even the point of this jewel now? You can stack 10 of them and only get 400% ele damage, LOL

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>gut Rumi's
>don't even glance at Vinktar's

>>161435053
see >>161434808

>>161435580
The difference won't be meaningful.

>>161435665
needs more one shots XD

Welp that's it, I'm waiting until 3.0

Maybe GGG will have finally sorted their shit out by then

poeurl.com/R5K

CI raider blade flurry :^)

use an ele crit vagan dagger and alpha's howl

run disc + wrath + anger + lvl3 enlighten

run BF > WED > FA > crit dmg > life leech

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>Eviscerate Rumi's Concoction to the point of uselessness
>Again

>MEANWHILE, VINKTAR
>Nothing

>>161435303
At least I hope their price crash hard enough so I have do that memebuild of the week

>>161430058
If you do the math BV is nerfed pretty badly. It will still be viable but if you're looking for the best to play skill in hardcore you're now better off with flameblast.

It's going to be CI league again anyway, GGG completely neglecting balance issues, sad.

>>161434665
Pathfinder has been blown the fuck out, retard. GGG took away your precious Master Surgeon and took a shit on it.

>>161432994
>no big pathfinder nerf
>hits rumis

FUCK YOU
>>161433802
same for mjolner

My super secret build go hit by these two changes. Nice balance.

Now, who wanna bet somehow they fucked up and BV is more powerful than before?

>>161435784
It's fine now that pathfinder is dead

So BV is...ripperino i guess ?
What would you advice instead for a retarded build ? (beside BF)

>It's another Chaos Inoculation/Flameblast/Totem league

Can someone explain the cast when channeling gem? Say you're casting(/channeling) blade flurry and have for instance arc or ice nova, that skill will also be cast?

Any thoughts what you could do with this support on other channelling skills?

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>Blade Vortex has been refactored. Instead of separate hits for each active blade, the blades now increase the frequency at which all enemies in the radius take damage, and the amount of damage they take. The skill now has a base hit frequency of 600ms and has 10% increased hit rate per active blade. Its damage has been reduced by 30% at all levels and it deals 30% more damage per active blade.
Can anyone do the math for the difference at 20 blades? my tiny brain hurts

>>161435857
>no big pathfinder nerf
Get your eyes checked bud

>>161435675
Damn didn't see the patch notes were out. Looks like GGG stepped up at least a little.

>spectres are still miserable to play
GOD
FUCKING
DAMNIT

>>161435784
''ES and life is balanced, life is probably better'' - GGG reply a month ago

''You can only get an ES character to work 2 months into the league that's why people say ES is so good'' - GGG reply 2 months ago (lel for 30 chaos you can get 10k+ ES by just using alteration orbs, regal and add a master mod).

>>161436014
it could use a bigger nerf desu. should reduce the immune to status ailment and bleed to chance to avoid

>>161435668
20% less than a fuckload is still a fuckload retard

>>161432994
>Reduced the maximum number of Summoned Raging Spirits to 20, but we have also increased damage as the gem levels up to compensate. It's intended to be a similar damage output but with less casting needed and less effective area of effect.

isnt this the same thing that happened with BV last patch? who wanna bet its now the most broken OP-OP skill that will dominate next meta (has if it was weak before)

>>161436001
>While casting supported channelling skills, trigger another linked spell at regular intervals, with a small damage penalty.
How do you get more straightforward than this?
>Any thoughts what you could do with this support on other channelling skills?
People have already theorycrafted shit like SR+CwC+Flame Surge

>>161436008
It pulses for 630% of the damage of one blade every 200ms

Basically:

Blade Flurry still OP as fuck. You can always go Reave if the AoE is really too small and BF for bosses. Never mind going ED when I can just go BF.

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dom blow comk SRS with scourge mite be gud

>>161435978
Flameblast totems using CI and ES. Can't think of a safer build for hardcore. You can completely avoid most dangerous enemy bosses or potential dangerous packs while also dealing very high damage.

>>161436008

better for applying poison

reflect will hurt a lot

>>161436085
the only problem with pathfinder was infinite flasks which is dead which means its fine now, bleed immunity is a small gimmick and status ailment immunities is just one less button to press (flasks) which you're going to press anyway

>>161436085
Pathfinder is pretty fucking shit without high flask uptime, since literally everything depends on a flask being up.

Raider is now the new hotness; 100% ele ailment immunity uptime. Don't even need to use flasks.

I played an FB totem chieftain last league.

I was kind of looking to mix it up a bit, but then GGG just buffs the build through the fucking roof. 20-25% increased effect of all totem nodes? What the actual fuck? WHAT FUCKING GAME ARE YOU PLAYING GGG, WHERE TOTEMS NEEDED A FUCKING BUFF

>>161436008
Base damage is 670% of what it was. It hits 0.25x as much. I think net, it does 67.5% more damage than before?

nice fucking nerf ggg

>>161436187
That's pretty interesting.
So, Blight+CwC+Essence Drain sounds fun.

>>161436281
Reave is really not very good overall. Its hard getting decent 1 handers for higher maps, and it's not very survivable either since you can't just cancel like with blade flurry if you're using multistrike.

The AoE nerf is making the AoE normal instead of being able to offscreen. The attack speed nerf is negligible.

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>Raider buffed from irrelevance to straight up OP frenzy on hit cancer
>Scion is fine, better left it untouched

YOU HAD 3 FUCKING MONTHS GGG
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>Totems buffed
Ha ha, my super sekrit vortex totem breach Scion is even more powerful now!

>>161436613
People expected scion changes last league as well, so 6 months.

>>161436680
Why Scion?

raider
hyaons fury + the blood dance

cyclone with the increased weapon range

Honestly considering just playing a Golemancer now

>>161436421
Don't forget this one
>The Minion and Totem Elemental Resistance support gem now has a multiplicative minion and totem elemental damage stat on it, scaling from 10% at level 1 to 19% more elemental damage at gem level 20.

>>161436421
brotem gem got a nerf

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>Blade Vortex does more damage now than before
WHAT THE FUCK

>>161436186
Well, it's not quite as simple. Reducing BV max stacks from 50 to 20 was indeed actually a buff in hindsight, since you hit harder, and relied less on cast speed. With SRS, your spread is now worse, which is hard to measure, but your single target might be a lot better. I don't know, it's one of those "you have to test it" skills that are hard to judge by a balance change like that

>>161436421
But it seems that range was nerfed

So what's the story on nu-BV?
Looks like before, if you had max stacks, its DPS was 20*base. Now, with max stacks, it seems to be 24.5*base, but it's a nerf if you're not running around with max stacks.

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>surgeon flask memesters completely shafted

>>161437009
does it? that patch note is so confusing that i don't know what the ability even does anymore.

>>161437065
You don't have to run spell echo anymore which is getting rid of a 10% less right off the bat, even before you consider the added benefit of another skill gem

>>161432994
>55 new uniques
What the f...

Even with upgrades this still feels like quite a few

>>161437252
Well its 25 + 2 *15 from Breach

>>161437128
no that guy is an idiot

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How will pathfinders kill Shaper now that they only get 7-8 charges of Vinktar per second at most?

>>161437128
>>161437079
It only hits once instead of once per instance, but the whole stack hits 5 times more often at 20 stacks now, so in effect you're hitting 5/20 times as much, so there's a 25% multiplier there. But, you do 30% more per blade up to 19 bonuses, for +570% more damage type deal.

Net: 100% (before) * 25% (frequency) * 670% (damage) = 167.5% damage net.

>set on playing either BF or ED, cant decide
>decide to make decision based on nerfs
>patch notes hit
>both are still fucking golden
great, problem still not solved
maybe BF Raider is gonna be so fucking OP it outshines everything else?

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I'm going to play SRS

soul strike got shitted on hard

>>161437079
Yeah, looks like a straight damage increase at maximum stacks but a lot worse at 10 stacks or below. Which makes sense really, good boss killer skill that is now much worse for mapping and the increased hit rate is allowed by the change to flask charges on crit no longer being stupidly out of control.

So what is going to be THE meta build that gets completely gutted in 3.0

BF? Some totem variant? Flameblast for the third time?

>>161437539
bf raider

For those who don't understand, clearspeed is garbage on BV now unless you stack a ton of cast speed. However VS bosses you do a shitton more damage so long as you can max stacks.

>>161437539
Blade Flurry. You still can get pretty good AoE and they didn't significantly nerf the damage.

>>161437360
What? You're forgetting the 30% base damage nerf. And at maximum stacks it hits once every 200 ms as opposed to a fixed once every 500 ms now.

How will Ancestral Warchief Totems not be the best build in the game? They were already probably the 2nd best build behind bv and now they reduced the damage by 10% but increased most totem damage nodes by 20-25%. Am I missing something? Is this not a buff?

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BV damage graph according to reddit
someone who didn't fail high school math tell me if that checks out

>>161437664
You're right, I forgot about the 70% base multiplier. So 1675%*0.7 = 117.25% of the damage before.

BV hit once per second per stack before, no clue where you got the 500ms number from. 1/.2 = 5 hits per second, vs 20*1/1 = 20 hits per second. 1/4 the hit frequency.

>>161437832
I don't know what I'm looking at

>>161437832
His representation of the frequency is way off.

dps = (.6 / (1+0.1x)) * (1 + .3(x-1)) * 0.7, relative to what it was before.

>>161437676
AW was bugged and had much bigger range than intended, they fixed it and range was very small so they buffed range but its probably much smaller than before

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What is even the point of buffing golem damage and giving them a damage multiplier support, no one is going to dick around with a golem build, not even Elementalist which gets 2, so at best you get 2 glorified spectres with shit poor AI

>>161436406
>>161436408
hmm, still not sure its totally dead. arent there items that can help like magnate and chalice?

>>161437065
It will probably just make movement speed even more important for clear speed. It might be worth having a Queen's Escape swap.

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Hey guys, in case you can't think, this will be the meta for the next league:

poeurl.com/R6s

>going pathfinder in the current patch
>not going raider and then simply getting primal spirit + druidic rite + alchemist

>>161437874
>no clue where you got the 500ms number from.
Not being up to date with the skill, I remember it hitting twice per second. They changed that sometime in the past I guess.

>>161438298
do you even know how a pathfinder works

>10 builds planned
>hyped as fuck

>2 days 18 hours left

wish me luck, gonna go freeze myself outside with a note to thaw me on friday

>>161438298
It's totally dead. Flask charge on crit only applies to one (random?) flask, instead of all equipped flasks.

>>161438356
i posted this build literally 40mins ago>>161435743

and here's a better versionpoeurl.com/R6B

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>>161432994
>poison buff

>POISON
>BUFF

WHAT THE FUCK?

>>161438094
Wait, i'm a fucking autist who cant math right. It should be 1/(.6 / (1+0.1x)) for the first term, I had seconds/hit instead of hits/second.

That gives 23.45 damage vs 20 of original at 20 stacks, which is the 1.1725x number I posted above.

>>161438412
Pathfinder is still an excellent class for a lot of builds. The change to Master Surgeon only really affects people who were abusing the shit out of one aspect of the class. Master Herbalist is still a buffed 7th Poison link, and she still gets flask effectiveness, movement speed, status ailments immunities, +2 max res, etc.

ive never made a witch
what do i make

>>161438576
There's no more duration in the game for players. It's literally a nerf for if you use less duration and poison. L2P fucking idiot.

>>161438474
I avoided playing it, I just do whatever build I feel like and dont care much about the meta, that and it was expensive too

>they didn't do shit for life
>Raider looks okay but is pretty much shitty Berserker cause MORE damage is better unless you stack Frenzy and requires more investment

>energy shield will still hit 10k ES and life will cap out at 5k unless you're retarded or have a Kaom's heart

>the only nerf that actually bothers me is Ancestral Warchief because now it has dogshit range - it already had super dogshit range with Conc effect or without Inc AoE.
>also requires you to be on the same screen as it to actually attack

Also Guardians STILL have IMMUNITY to a lot of shit and bosses like even Uber Izaro will still one-shot 5k life.

The only difference here is BV isn't gonna be the dominant build.
If you've played ES and a life build in Essence then you know there's no fucking way life is good. Also leech still exists so there's that.

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okay which one of you is this

>Six different league starter builds planned
>'Oh well I'll just decide based on the patch notes'
>All of them got buffed

Fuggggggggg

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>Fixed behaviour with the center of the slam being significantly further away than the totem's melee range. The skill now has +10 melee range at all levels, and the slam will always be centered at melee range away from the totem.

Does this mean it will only target mobs that are NEXT RIGHT (10) to the totem?

>>161438667
SRS might be a good choice now :^)

>>161438738
>life will cap out at 5k

retard

>>161438576
>100k with those fucked up commas

Looks fine to be. I'm willing to bet there's going to be major changes for 3.0.

>>161438692
just dont use less duration then? :^)

>>161438736
then shut the fuck up and stop making shit up about how you 'feel' about a build when you have no clue what you're talking about

so who's gonna go triple/quad flame golems xdxdxdxd

>>161438738
>>Raider looks okay but is pretty much shitty Berserker cause MORE damage
Raider straight up gets a better damage bonus at 10 frenzy charges or above, and sustain is trivial with 20% chance to refresh them on hit.
Not accounting for the attack/cast speed bonus per frenzy, which makes 4*10 more damage a lot stronger than just the bonus itself. She's stupid broken now.

>>161438823
Double dipping is next on the chopping block

>>161438781
yeah show us your build and gear m8
not only is life still inferior to ES but it requires more autism to get it running

>Life
>if you don't have health % you're dicked when you're out of flasks - important in shit like Lab, ES can just find a corner and heal up
>caps out easily on gear
>requires more than level 68 - a decent Vaal Regalia and Discipline will beat out base health any day, if you want more health go and grind 90+
>no need for life flasks bullshit which caps out at 1k on instant use\
>can carry more utility and OP unique flasks
>can actually take 10k Elemental hits and live outright because of EHP, doesn't care about physical either.


But go ahead and pop your fucking immortal call because you lose 4/5 of your health to a lab trap.

>>161438908
well, considering how much people cry when their OP toys are minimally touched, excuse my skepticism.

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>>161438762
Can I get a reply please

>>161438553
>better version
>not going Avatar of the Veil for Immunity to freeze, ignite and shock
you fucked up

>>161439061
Lol. There are a lot of areas where ES is superior to life, but farming lab is not one of them. Juggernaut is the preferred lab runner and it takes a clueless idiot to deny that.

>>161438941
was yesterday too. see you next league.

>>161439118
seems so

>>161438926
>10 frenzy charges

That's fucking unreasonable for how much investment you need compared to just getting an Ascendancy node for 40% MORE. Berserker travel nodes are also incredibly fucking damage efficient. 6% attack speed 12% attack damage. Crave the Slaughter and Rite of Ruin boost that even more. Raider doesn't even get attack damge on travel it's attack speed and evasion rating.

>>161439118
(You)

>>161438692
isnt it a buff to bleed then?

>>161438738
>raider is a shitty berserker

your berserker is going to look retarded when that raider zooms by with 600% ms evaporating everything he walks through with a million attacks per second

>>161439061
i didn't claim anywhere in my post that life is superior to es

retard

>>161439192
>>161439181
thank you boys

>>161439167
Lab is only one thing and while Juggernaut is good at Lab every other Ascendancy clearly isn't compared to just picking one using ES.

Whether it's Izaro or Bog boss who cares life will still eat shit.

>>161439118
it means exactly what it says, dumb taytayposter

you're asking if "The sky is now blue" means that the sky is now, indeed of a blue color

>>161438553
What the fuck is wrong with your build. Are you going for ele damage through auras or phys? Don't see why you wouldn't go to the shadow tree except for 15% ES when you can get a jewel node or ES from witch/hybrid between shadow ranger. You're also going for Onslaught instead of Phasing which is beyond retarded.

>>161438846
That's not the fucking point retard, the point is that it's a poison nerf not a buff. The only way it changes anything is if you use less duration, in which case it's worse (namely EQ builds with voidheart).

>>161439218
They did buff bleed except for EQ with Less Duration (which is worse).

>>161439151
you're right

gonna miss out on that OP onslaught though

>>161437483
do you want to be friends

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i'm going to play flameblast totems and you can't stop me

When is Immortal Call going to become a Warcry as well
I'm sick of this cwdt ic bs

>>161439379
he's not that anime girl, get a hold of yourself

>>161439324
i feel ya, but lets be serious
peace of mind is way better than MOAR DEEPS

whats the best leveling gear to buy?
obviously it depends on class but in general?

>>161438156

They're better than ribbons. GMP + a ton of unrelenting hunger jewels are going to make these guys crazy as fuck. All that aoe overlapping, delicious.

>>161439557
wanderlust, goldrim, tabula, seven-league steps if you've got money to spend

>Ele Foils (?) BF Raider SUPER SANIC SPEED edition
is this our meta, boys?
pretty sure it is

>>161439184
>qotf raider
>infinite frenzy, infinite onslaught, infinite phasing, 700% ms, 90% evasion, 30% dodge
>muh 40% more damage

damage isnt really an issue on any decent build

>>161436292
I'm shit and I made it to 98 last league with a dual totem, flameblaster build in HC. It's retard proof.

>>161439506
>>161439324
Onslaught is still shit because you have to flask for it VS bosses. Phasing is on so long as you have frenzy charges maxed, meaning you have 100% uptime in any situation.

>>161439505
a man can dream

>>161439061
Farming labyrinth / uber labyrinth with an armor based + endurance charge slayer / juggernaut is considerably more easier than with ES. Only thing armor + life builds really shine at though.

>>161439167
I prefer slayer simply because he kills Izaro on his most dangerous phase so insanely fast.

>>161439184
10 frenzy charges is not unrealistic, people simply didn't go through the effort because they couldn't maintain them comfortably vs bosses. Not an issue anymore if you get % chance to refresh on hit. 7 base, +2 from corrupted dark ray vectors, +1 from a corrupted amulet.

>Berserker travel nodes are also incredibly fucking damage efficient.
Just comparing 40% more damage to frenzy Raider for attack builds and Raider still comes out on top, really, to be fair Berserker can also get 3 frenzy charges on his own, so his ceiling is indeed better for generic builds since he actually gets 1.4*1.12 damage multiplier.

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>>161439557
Wanderlust, Goldrim, Lifesprig
>>161439612
It's the league of dual wield hyaon's at last

voltaxic vspark raider:
poeurl.com/R61

be safe

>>161436774
Elemental damage essence + Scion tripple totem.

>>161439718
>voltaxic spark

this meme needs to die

>>161439694
And instakill yourself because the increased damage taken. I guess that means it's shitcrow approved.

>>161439571
Spectres deal legit damage scaling with area level, golems deal 50 damage at level 20, doubling or quadrupling such a low base isn't going to do JACK SHIT

>>161439506
could get avatar of the veil, way of the poacher and rapid assault

you'd lose 4% more damage, 14% MS, 21% IAS, and 21% dmg but gain 20% IAS and MS from onslaught

so after doing the maths onslaught is shit unless you have avatar of the chase and graceful assault to go along with it

Hey guys make me a meme build with the new raider that will achieve the highest attack speed possible in the game, thanks.

BV math autist reporting in. I was slightly off before, because the patch notes aren't clear if the first stack benefits from the 10% frequency and 30% damage buff.

It's either (1+0.1x)(1+0.3x)0.7/0.6 or (1+0.1(x-1))(1+0.3(x-1))0.7/0.6.

In the former case where the first stack DOES benefit, 22.5% more damage than before. In the latter case where it DOESN'T, 13.3% more than before.

>>161439920
Meh, who cares if it deals 10-20% more or less damage. Skill is shit now that you can no longer facetank with Vinktar leech.

>no es nerf

what the fuck is ggg even doing, you can literally get 10k+ es with 30 points and these dumbfucks don't nerf it

>>161439441
Fun as fuck t.b.h.q.

>>161439506
>not running autoflask

lmao

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>people think Raider will be good when you need to go all the way to the left side of the tree for life nodes

>>161440048
fuck off reddit, ES isnt that bad

>>161440006
Non pathfinder BV builds get FREE more damage, nigger. Berserkers can facetank shaper better than ever with their free 100% leech.

so can somebody explain if es is like life or if it's a defense stat like eva/armor/block?

bc it gets the best of both worlds for years now

all you assholes are gonna be here in 2 weeks bitching about assassin being OP

>>161440176
>life nodes

lmao

>>161440048
It's fucking retarded. For life to be competitive life nodes on the tree needs buffs and volatiles need to be nerfed hard / removed.

>>161438908
>implying non-crit pathfinders dont exist
its not over yet kiddo

>>161440176
Foresight is the new Life Wheel.

>>161440289
there is no "OP" in a single player game

>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who use autoflask and autoquit but think they're superior to shitcore players
really makes you think, huh?

raider or assassin for ci bf fotm cancer

>>161440176
>life in the current year

>>161440176
>Life

WEW LAD

>>161439694
probably need purity of lightning so you dont insta rip against reflect mobs

>>161440176
Even as a fucking archer you do not go life anymore

>>161440279
this does nothing for raiders dumbfuck

>>161440191
>Berserkers can facetank shaper better than ever with their free 100% leech.
What? They have to take a savage hit for their super leech to kick in, and neither the degen beam or the auto-attacks will proc it.

>>161440381
assassin bino's is much better.

>>161440048
Real problem is that you can bypass all ES nasty side effects which you before couldn't. Stuff like stun and status ailments would wreck you (especially stun). Those aren't really a counter anymore and ghost reaver used to be pretty poor since the items that gave life leech to elemental damage were really low. Now it really isn't.

ES in its current form really needs a pretty hard nerf, GGG failed to deliver on the huge balance issue between life and ES.

>>161438156
Necromancer with two clayshapers

>>161439810
But that's wrong. A level 20 flame golem with 200% increased base damage is going to be dealing 1.2x as much damage as a 10 stack level 20 flameblast, according to the datamined stats, while also being easier to scale and effectively gaining more effect from auras due to having multiple golems.

Looking at the numbers, Golemancer is looking pretty tempting desu.

Flame Golem - Minion Damage - Elemental Focus - Fire Pen - Spell Echo - Empower

>>161440429
They can just run 5 doedre's going into shaper. 20 seconds is more than enough to phase shaper with a berserker's damage.

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friendly reminder to the raider autists that your meme phasing build gets cucked by a new map mod :^)