/fgog/ - Fate/Grand Order General

>>161424274
> Zhuge is a rice person
> El Melloi is british
> they allegedly look identical
I dunno faggot.

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This is your boss

>>161424336
DUDE

>>161424470
To be fair, he's a very asian looking britbong

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King of Kings.

>>161424615
That's not DUDE

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Xth for best archer

>>161424650
I thought this anon's >>161424545 DUDE was enough.

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> /fgog/ with Memeskandar OP
> threat slows down immediately

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>Marie Antoinette: …. Goodbye, Jeanne [Alter]. Yes, I’m happy to have met you. As long as I was able to help the Saint that saved France…. No, as long as I was able to help “my friend”. I am happy to perish brightly. Like the stars, like a flower. Like the wildest dreams. That is the Servant Marie Antoinette’s way of life!

>>161424654
But you posted a picture of a curryshitter, not Arash.

>>161424762
YOU SPILL WINE YOU SPILL BLOOD DUDE

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>>161424259
Guda's utter unflappabiltity is their defining trait

They stand up to Solomon, it makes characters like Gil and Ishtar interested in them since they give no fucks. It's also what allows them to get along with everyone without missing a beat and do ridiculous shit like just going along with Scathach's insane training regiment during the summer event or being the reindeer during Christmas

They also bullied Sanzou into submission in her event

>>161424841
>Scathach's insane training regiment
When was this?

>>161424615
KANG OF KANGZ N SHIEEEEEET

>>161424786
>Arjuna saved the whole world
>Arash saved two kingdoms
>Arturia failed to save even one kingdom
Really makes you think.

Post best girl

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>>161425079

>>161424934
>Scathach's insane training regiment during the summer event
I dunno, it could have been anytime.

>>161425124
Best girl, not dead girl

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>>161425079
Here's two best girls for the price of one.

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>>161425079

>>161424934
>during the summer event
Christmas 2015.

>>161425240
>why are you posting a sword?

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>>161425079
What other Fate waifu takes you to space for a date? Best girl

>>161425348
>wanting a horse's used goods

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>>161425175
Hisui is sleeping!

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Did everyone manage to get the lunchtime CE by now?

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>>161425079

>>161425348
Eenjoy dying as she leaves you there

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How can any other servant even compete, he wasn't even with 500% overcharge

FUCKING HELL DROP MORE THAN 2 FRUITCAKES PER RUN, THIS IS HELL.

I just noticed there's no EXP in the event shop, what the fuck.

>>161425749
See if you can one-shot Amon-Ra. I didn't have quite enough buffs to get him.

>>161425916
Thicc thighs save lives.

>>161425916
THICC

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>>161425079

>>161425916
What does Tohsaka anus tastes like?

>>161426178
Like the dirtiest part of a wealthy Japanese girl.

>>161426178
Jackhammers

>>161424540
I'd like a promotion and raise, ma'am

>>161426178
salty coins and milk

>>161426178
>rich old man cock

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>Illya bond CE portrait is just more showing off Prilya shit
>Not even a nod to her other life

I'm not asking for much, maybe a picture of her hat from F/SN and it wouldn't be out of left field since she's already phased to another universe.
Am I fucking stuck hoping for a demi-servant version of F/SN Illya as well?

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>>161425916

>>161426159
That's my wife (and sister).

>>161426356
>Prisma Illya CE is about Prisma Illya
wow

>>161426356
Prisma Illya has nothing to do with FSN Illya, so what were you expecting?

>>161426439
>>161425916
post more hands edits

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>>161425079

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>>161426356
Yes, we're stuck waiting for that or the 3rd HF movie to come out.

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>>161426519

>>161426356
>retarded illyafag being retarded

>>161426512
Some POTTERY with her FSN version I guess? I get why they did it but it's just a zoomed in focus on her thigh so they didn't even do anything interesting with it.

>>161426519
Post the template.

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>>161426519

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>>161426728
>Cute loli butt is not interesting

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>>161426519
>post more hand edits
Here, my favorite.

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>>161426739

>do 30AP
>get 2-3 fruit cake drops per run
>do 40AP
>get 3-5 fruit cake drops per run

You guys are full of shit 40AP drops more.

>>161426519
Requesting the Tamamo one with black hands. I forgot to save that when it was posted.

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>>161425710
Implying that wasn't my plan from the start.

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>Almost got killed farming the new 40 AP node
This is what happen when only shitty 2* boost the droprate, fuck DW

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>>161426886

>>161427237
>farming 40AP for cakes

Are you retarded?

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>Puts on shoes for her 3rd ascension
Into the trash it goes

>>161426356
But Prisma Illya isn't our Illya she's just a shitty pedobait character.

>>161424336
DUDE

>>161425348
Gilgamesh

>>161427237
Really? Shit's piss easy post team.

>>161427352
Yea but it's better than the alternative which is nothing

>>161427208
fuck off

>>161427506
Well that just goes without saying, Babylonians are unrivalled and make the strongest servants/ best waifus.

>ちなみに赤いからといって、エミヤとかシロウとかとは特に縁のない男ですゆえ.

What did Santa Island Kamen mean by this?

>>161427613
She has two CE's so they haven't forgotten about her.

>>161427665
Something about how he's not related to Emiya just because he's a red man named Shirou?

>>161427662
>Babylonians
>unrivalled
You're asking for it, aren't you?

>>161427237
same

i had to use a command seal to double NP the boss with my friend's jeanne alter

such is the life of being awful

Nobu rerun when

>>161427918
never, get fucked

>>161427662
Nebuchadnezzar II when?

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Baseball Rin and Saber when?

>>161427918
Who?

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>>161427941
At least i have Kuro and Illya

>>161427918
It's your own damn fault for not getting Nobu.
I started the game mid event and got her to NP3 and max ascended. And I got her to lvl 70 as fast as I could because the dataminer said the ascension mats would expire.

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I was trying to make the most of it since the FP gacha refused to give me a single fucking George CE.

>>161427237
2* only boot cheesecakes ya baka.
If you want to farm those the 10AP is still better than anything.

The only thing you should be farming the 40AP 2 for is socks and you should have at least aJeannu Alter support for that since no servant gives a boost to socks.

>>161427991
Babylon part 2

>Have every welfare` servant except Iri
Is she even worth crying over?

So what's the best farming spot for cheesecake and the best spot for stockings?

>>161428214
>>161427509
meant for this guy here

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>Rin actually works well with Ozzy because of her deck and skills
>Ozzy is a rich old man

>>161428281
Scroll up like 3 post

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>>161428079
not that guy but
>Had an alt account with better servants
>Gave up on my old main
>Gets banned due to emufaggotry
>stuck missing the 1 event servant

It's my fault but I had shit to do at the time and now my old main has far better servants than the alt ever had.

>>161428275
Not really, the only time she was useful was the Assassin quest during the Nero event.

reposting here
So I bought some fruitcake from the store but it doesn't appear. Also bought shortcake and it also doesn't appear. I already restarted and still nothing. Is this a bug? Do I need to farm again?

>>161428214
>using servants that don't boost drops
typical shit taste

>>161428275
Yes, Iri is great situationally. Saved a lot of people in the Hassan quest in the Nero 2016 event.

>>161428214
If you want to farm Cheesecake you should be doing 10AP.

>>161428376
At least she's got good art. Or in the game.

>>161428214
Sad Vlad should fuck Lancer Alter since mine takes half of her HP away when he crits and does his NP. You have the right team but maybe try replacing Mashu with someone else.

is it worth it to watch Prisma Illya if i'm not a pedophile?

i heard it basically shits on all established lore, like Excalibur being traced despite it being a divine construct so it seems like its just pedo bait? or am i wrong?

>>161428681
your instincts are correct

>>161428681
Muscle through the two seasons and fanservice and it's all worth it once you get to the third season went pure Fate there.

>>161428681
Brave the first two. Drei is where it's at.

>>161428681
It's good. Any lore stuff can just be attributed to "different world" Tracing Divine Constructs seems to be attributed to being a holy grail (Illya) or being connected to one (Shirou/Miyu), so that's probably fairly correct lorewise.

>>161428681
Either way you should really kill yourself.

What is meant when Tamamo is "mookyuu?

>>161428681
Excalibur can be traced Archer threatens with doing it in UBW and Shirou does it in HF, it just takes an exaggerated amount of mana

>>161428681
Every fucking story in this franchise shits on previously established lore, yet you're still here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu91ugl9oUA
wtf i love gilgamesh now

>>161428681
It's shit until it gets to alternate Shirou's and Gil's scenes.
Buttblasted pedos see
>>161428834
will tell you the opposite.

>>161429018
I said off yourself reddit

>>161428950
It can't be traced accurately because it is a holy weapon. In Prillya, she traces excalibur that is actually better than the one wielded by Saber Alter.

>>161429226
Card servants = Shittier versions of the normal heroes, maddened, weaker, berserk. Bazett killed two easily.

Ilya = A grail who can bullshit miracels

>>161428950
Nope, Archer is lying and Shirou was delusional and grabbed some other beam sword according to Nasu. Even in a place where it is possible, the best Nameless can do is a shitty knockoff.

>>161428681
The benefits to prisma illya are as follows

>Illya's VA (negative if you dislike her voice)
>loli fetish
>mahou shoujo
>picks up in drei (can be a negative if you're only in it for the loli)

It's honestly pretty boring outside of fanservice. Don't watch the 3rd season's anime.

>>161429226
The traced excalibur in Prisma is not good either, you can see it when Illya includes Saber and cuts Kuro's Excalibur, is hollow on the inside, it's just that card servants are fakes too so that's probably why it's weaker.

>>161429337
> according to Nasu

Stopped read there, you lose all credibility when you cite a hack who constantly changes his mind.

>>161429337
>Archer is lying and Shirou was delusional and grabbed some other beam sword according to Nasu.

This is bullshit you just made up.

>>161429337
Is Nameless and Unknown his canon servant name now? I dunno why they don't call him Shirou or EMIYA.

>>161428930
I thought she was all about the "Mikon~"

>>161429647
Nameless is the Extra version. EMIYA is the F/SN version.

>>161429630
Nasu straight up says Excalibur cannot be traced period, but there may be some other similar swords in UBW.

>>161429612
>muh death of the author

Is the Fionn bond CE translated anywhere?

>>161429647
He literally has no name. He's the representative of nameless heroes. He's the same core as EMIYA, but they're separate as well in a number of small ways.

>>161429782
Why would anyone care enough about Fionn to do that?

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heaven or hell?

>>161429734
>Nasu straight up says Excalibur cannot be traced period, but there may be some other similar swords in UBW.

That's not what you said. You made the other bullshit up, and now you're bringing up an entirely different comment to substantiate claiming something else entirely.

>>161429853
Lets rock

>>161429840
Because he has nice hair and a pretty face?

>>161429853
>Old men exclusive prostitute
>Literal who with annoying ass laugh
Can't I just have one of the lolis?

>>161429840
People can like servants you don't like anon. There's at least one anon with a level 100 Fionn.

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>>161429853

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>>161428681
>Seems like pedo bait

That's what the animefags shitpost with, its what they care about. Anime is mostly shit, manga is the only thing worth it. The manga is less pedo bait at this point, and more lore bait. Its fanservice for the Nasuverse. The amount of lore bait has surpassed all loli bait. Its set up as if it tricked pedos into accidentally reading an action story as it shifts over.

UBWfags and HFfags mostly get some shit out of the recent arc, Saberfags are fucked.

161428681
wew lad, really good bait but now you just farm your (You)'s so fuck off

>running 40AP(1)
>Berserker on second wave crits the same character 3 times in a row in the same turn

Berserkers were a mistake.

>>161429734
>muh Nasu
Kill yourself, retard.

>>161430012
That's more dangerous than fucking Ishtar

>>161429986
There actually in one that frequents this thread. His Fionn is fun to use.

>>161429916
I'm taking that statement and applying it to the story you retard. Nasu said it cannot be done, so the two examples in the story are made impossible.

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>>161429986
Lets take a look at his fanbase
http://www.strawpoll.me/11764002

>>161430085
That happened to me and I had to kill double Weaver with Mashu and Ruler Jeanne, do you know how many turns that took me?
46

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>gold chest drops from servant
>it's a monument

>>161430093
If Nasu says now that Sakura never existed and was actually the result of mass hallucination, that's the truth of it. No matter how inane, the author is the one making the story.

>>161430176
Guess who wrote the story, and it clearly says that Shirou traces Excalibur to destroy the Grail

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*cough* *hik* *hack* *uff* boop.

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>>161429840
dlet tis

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>>161428681
It's cute

>>161430285
>Using logic
>On /fgog/
I bet you also think Lancelot can't destroy planets.

>>161430320
No, he says he imagines the strongest sword and sees a fuzzy Excalibur Morgan. Then Nasu says after the fact that it cannot be done but mentions there are similar swords. It's not Excalibur unless he changes his mind again and makes it Excalibur.

>>161430186
>Adding a joke response for the laughs
As if you wanted it to not be taken seriously. As if a strawpoll even would in the first place.

>>161430283
CE's have rainbow shit all over the chest

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. . .

>>161430435
Yeah I know I just looked away for a minute and caught the gold chest as it was disappearing.

>>161430186
>People can't even be bothered to vote
W E W
E
W

>>161430285
>If Nasu says
Whatever Nasu says will get ignored.

>>161430176
>I'm taking that statement and applying it to the story you retard

No, you're zeroing-in on a single, really unlikely explanation you pulled out of your ass and then claiming the author explicitly confirmed that one explanation precisely, until questioned about it, when you're forced to backtrack into admitting this is something you're deriving from an entirely different statement.

You leapfrogged way the fuck over the much more likely explanation of "when Archer says he can get it close, he means that he can only get something close but not the same thing" and made up bullshit about how Nasu confirmed in explicit words that Archer was lying about every last word he said and that Shirou was utterly delusional in a scene where nothing else suggested that.

If you're not lying, bring up the statement where Nasu says Shirou was being delusional.

>>161430521
k lol

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>>161430186
Really makes you think

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Maui Servant when

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(mythology)

>>161430412
See >>161430597

Write whatever fanfiction you want, but don't go about claiming the author has substantiated your one explanation unless you can back it up. That's how we end with even more morons like you taking fanfiction claims as fact.

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Remove Rin.

>>161430053
>Servant Shinji dies

Awww, that's not cool.

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Fionn a cute.

>>161430665
I fucking hate that guy, I've never watched the movie or heard about his legend, but just looking at his stupid fucking face makes me want to punch the screen.

>>161430597
We know two things. Nasu said it cannot be done. The one place where it can be done produces a very shitty copy. Taking those two statements, we can clearly infer that it is impossible for Shirou or Archer to produce the sword one Earth. Now rather than explain it to someone like you with the understanding of a five year old, I just went straight to what Nasu implied by his statement.

>>161430764
He begged for it. He was a puppet all his life, long dead, used by others even after death. In the end he chose the only thing that would give him freedom.

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>>161430085
Give it taste of it's own medicine and bring your own Berserker.

>>161430285
This made me laugh for some reason.

>>161430782
The movie shits all over his legend. It's about as accurate as Pocahontas.

>>161430853
Why's everyone got to bully Shinji? He deserves a Good End at least once.

>>161430665
Holy shit, he has nipples.

>>161430085
you could use fuuma's 3 turn crit rate debuff if you have him

>>161430329
Someone translated that battleline last night pretty cute.

>>161431038
>Why's everyone got to bully Shinji? He deserves a Good End at least once.
No he doesn't. He's scum.

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sup guys what's going on in this thread?

>>161430085
>running 40AP(1)

But why?

>>161431038
He got his good end in UBW and that was more than he deserved.

>>161431149
>trusting the mind of a guy who literally only has 1/10th of his mind left

>>161431152
I've had awful luck running 30AP for fruit cakes, I get 1 to 2 drops per run. I usually get 3-5 drops in 40AP.

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>>161431221
>not trusting a guy made of swords to make the perfect sword when necessary

>>161430665
Fucking walking tumor how the fuck does this get the okay?

>>161431221
I would rather trust a demented and terminal sword autist than a greedy chink with Alzheimer

>>161431239
We really need a real gold cakes quest.

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>>161430798
>We know two things. Nasu said it cannot be done.

So did Archer, except his statement gives the much more likely possibility that it just means a more degraded copy. That explanation requires no extra rewriting or re-interpreting of scenes.

This isn't 1+1, it's your ass jumping to a conclusion that involves a character lying outright when making a claim that was already very close, and another character being insane. It's a stupid, pointless lie for Archer to make in the first place since he has a wide assortment of options if he just want to blow everything up and take everyone around with him.

You just went straight to making shit up, and then lied about the writer backing up that single explanation, because you for some reason fixated on the explanation that would require the most reinterpreting of previous material.

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Anyone here have a grailed Kotaro?

He has really grown on me and I will probably level him up but I want to use someone with maxed abilities and leveled up a bit higher than normal.

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>>161430752
Rin died for our sins.

>>161431221
>he doesn't trust the sword autist

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>all these talks about divine constructs

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>>161431149
DELETE THIS!

>>161431353
For real, there's no way to efficiently farm them right now. I want those 500 prisms too.

>>161431460
What's with the constellations?

>>161431460
>talking about an inferior fairy sword

Excalibur is already above "above world" level

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>>161431143
He's scum because every time we see him he's been mindraped and manipulated by some insane psychopath.

If he was a girl he'd be a super tragic heroine and everyone would feel sorry for her.

>>161431502
Maybe if we were good goys and blew our quartz for the event CE's.
Why can't you understand the hardworking guys at DW?!

>>161431618
>If he was a girl he'd be a super tragic heroine and everyone would feel sorry for her.

Sakura?

>>161431618
Well, yes. But he's a guy and as such, he's scum.
Hell, if "she" raped Sakura it'd be hot instead of creepy.

>>161431618
I wouldn't, because I don't have a gender-based double standard when it comes to literal rapists.

>>161431618
If shinji and Sakura swapped genders Shinji would have a huge following.

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>>161431460
That water looks tasty. Mind if I take a sip?

>>161431618
i want to reply to this post cuz everybody else is doing it xD

>>161431460
>Impossible to be damaged
>But it's bent

>>161431618
Literally the most misandrist franchise.

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>there are people in this very thread that run 30AP for fruit cakes

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Nobu a CUTE.

>>161431753
>deranged girl that rapes her weak-willed adoptive brother
sign me up

>>161431753
Shinji would be the hot dominatrix Onee-chan and Sakura would be a betamax fag for not letting himself be fucked by Shinji-chan?

>>161431618
>female character who is openly bitchy and combative to literally everybody, makes a big show out of getting guys to follow her around and praise her, and is also a literal rapist
Sounds like the kind of character that only dirty masochist subs would like and everybody else would shit on.

>>161431384
Archer can make a holy sword with similar properties, likely able to at least beamclash with Excalibur, but he cannot make Excalibur. Excalibur Image is the best he can do in a place where he can make Excalibur, and it's absolute shit from what he does with it. At the end of the day, neither Shirou or Archer can get close to Excalibur on earth, and the best they can do is a "similar sword" per Nasu.

You're taking a partial hyperbolic to autistic extremes and shouting "muh canon" for no particular reason.

>>161431829
>Trying to bait retards to waste 10AP

You monster.

>>161431829
Well then, what should I be running, boss?

>>161431887
>>161431896
Basically.
The world might've been a better place if things went that way.

new loli when

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>>161432048
Soon.

>>161432048
when u kill u self

>>161430798
>Nasu said it cannot be done

And that there are degraded copies with the same functions inside UBW. Funny you're leaving that part out, assuming the narration is lying in two different counts and the saying Nasu himself confirmed this one answer is the correct one to the exclusion of all others.

Where's the source where he claims Archer lied and that Shirou can somehow now project swords while thinking about entirely different weapons? Does the last one introduce some pretty incomprehensible inconsistencies, by the way? Shirou can now focus on the structure of one weapon and just kind atrip into getting another one entirely? This is a whole fucking lot you're claiming has been confirmed explicitly.

>>161431618
No, I don't like sadistic girls like that. Ilya is mindraped but you can see some humanity within her, some regret. Sakura as well didn't want to do what she did and her route revolved around her regret and self-hatred, she just needed a branch in order to overcome it.

Shinji, even when I see the world itself give him a chance to change and repent, he just kinda doubles down on his shitty choices. It makes it hard to not hate him. Tries to rape Tohsaka, Cu stops him and tries to teach him a lesson, as soon as the situation passes Shinji kicks Kotomine's corpse around and tries to rape Tohsaka again, only for Cu to teach him again.

Nearly kills the school repeatedly, kicks Taiga's almost dying body, almost kills random people in town, blames all his faults on someone else immediately and refuses to ever learn shit.

Its wierd for me because even Zouken comes off as more human than Shinji due to Zouken's final scene in the game. You could see some humanity in him, he was a man who once had lofty dreams but fell to corruption, and in his final moments he returned to being himself for a brief moment. Shinji never had that, he was an unrepentant asshole until the end. One of the failings of FSN was not showing how Shinji supposedly used to be a good guy. People in the story went through way worse shit, he comes off as petty.

>>161431834
Nobu a shit voice. Glad they didn't do a rerun of her shitty event so I don't have to see more of her in the archer supports.

>>161431957
>but he cannot make Excalibur
Sword that's 99.999% the same as Excalibur = Excalibur
It makes no fucking difference.

>>161431949
T-tamamo.

>>161432008
40AP obviously

>>161430214
Should have used Mashu's defense buff to survive at least one turn. A crit triple tap there should leave a servant barely alive. Then Mashu's taunt to ensure another turn of living. If you haven't dealt with the Chimera with three turns of attacks then you fucked up.

>>161432008
If you finished farming both cheese and short cakes, you should wait for a better node in the next days if you are missing fruit cakes. In the mean time, farm 30AP for socks with natural AP.

>>161432086
That's just a loli granma. Would never play with cute book and daughteru.
Now loli Jannu, she would be delighted to run around with them.

I like the relationship between Iskandar and Waver, of all ages. You shitposters can suck my cock.

>>161432048
off yourself reddit

>>161432086
That Edison hoodie is pretty cool.

>>161432102
>Tries to rape Tohsaka, Cu stops him and tries to teach him a lesson, as soon as the situation passes Shinji kicks Kotomine's corpse around and tries to rape Tohsaka again, only for Cu to teach him again.

I forgot to finish this point. Immediately once he was out of this situation, he doubled down on it yet again. He just showed he didn't want to learn.

>>161432204
what

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>>161431957
>and it's absolute shit from what he does with it
It's literally his most powerful weapon.

Archer stated, no wiggle-room, that he can get it close when recreating Saber's holy sword. SABER'S sword.

That doesn't mean making a different holy sword, that means Excalibur explicitly.

Reading your conversation with this other guy is about to give me an aneurysm. How are you this dumb? There is no room to interpret anything. Archer talks about Excalibur. When Shirou wants a powerful holy sword, he pictures Excalibur. That's the end of the discussion and only an idiot would try and throw a needlessly complicated monkey wrench into the explanation.

Anyone here that LB their stocking CE? Drop your FC and you'll get thousands of FP from me.

>>161431753
If shinji and Sakura swapped genders, Sakura would have a huge dick.

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>>161432086
>Helena Lily

>>161432110
You seems surprisingly relived, I'm glad for that anon.
As for me, don't really want a rerun, just a new event or more banters in general.

>it's a "can Shirou trace Excalibur" episode
We have been over this so many times.

Shirou can trace Excalipoor in any condition but it kills him to try.
Shirou can trace Excalibur without dying when conditions for working iron is boosted (within imaginary spaces), but it's a couple ranks down instead of just one like normal projections.

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>>161431753
Sakura's skirt-lifting scene would be weird if she was a dude instead. Imagine a dude showing up in the middle of the night, unzipping his pants to reveal a throbbing erection, and meekly say something about "Sempoi, look at this lewd body," or whatever it was Sakura originally said in that scene.

>>161432160
It just happened one time that I was unlucky, I usually kill it in 2 turns and no one dies

I just completed Orleans. Just reading the event splash page on Cirnopedia and to my understanding, to make Jannu a permanent member of my team I'm going to have to complete all of the main quests, which are still being released on a day-to-day basis until the 4th.

Then clear 5 event gacha boxes so I can get an item from the 5th to seal the deal. And the 4 ascension items should come up while I'm emptying the event gacha?

Also, what does her full ascension look like? If it's been seen already.

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>>161432189
Of course, Helena is the type you can have a mature conversation with and also hug and cuddle her loli body.

>>161432176
Isn't 40 AP(2) better for socks?

>>161432359
I forgot about that one.

As funny as it would be for it to stay the same i suppose you'd have to re-write some scenes.

>>161432463
Yes

>>161432321
Who would do that this early on and fuck themselves over getting more stockings?

>>161431618
Keep Shinji as a boy and instead switch Sakura's gender so she's also a boy. Keep the wormrape and the sexual abuse a la Wakame. Gae it the fuck up.

>>161429782
Found this Boys Love. Translation seems pretty shitty, but its all I could find.

>---Master. If you eat river salmon, you can improve your knowledge.

>Of course, it won't give you infinite knowledge.
>Only that salmon which shines in the colour of the rainbow will.
>However, the oil of regular salmon increases concentration
>because the fish has experienced much,
>I wouldn't waste any part of a salmon.

>Strength alone, doesn't give beauty.
>You must be grateful for knowledge.
>If something happens and you mess up...
>Knowledge is helpful to reflect on yourself.

>Hmm?
>If you are already clever,
>how can you make a mistake in the first place?
>Haha, certainly, that is true!

>But people can always make a mistake.
>You won't necessarily make the right choice.

>So, go on. You should eat some river salmon too.

>>161432420
Yeah, someone had her max ascended on the last thread.

>>161432359
Fuck off with your gender double standards, saying its wrong suddenly.

>>161431957
>>161432252
>Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable.
>There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though.
Just a similar beamsword, nothing more

>>161432494
just use the classic bench scene from kuso miso technique instead

>>161432520
I've seen a couple people that weren't my friends who LB it already. These are people who have EX rank luck and have gotten multiple drops already.

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>>161432434
Well, I like my lolis to roam around like an unruly pack of kittens.

>>161431957
You're doing a whole lot of backtracking and repeating the same tangential points without addressing the argument at all. You're making a lot of CLAIMS here all derived from a single statement that doesn't really back up many of them.

>At the end of the day, neither Shirou or Archer can get close to Excalibur on earth, and the best they can do is a "similar sword" per Nasu.

See, you're contradicting this shit right there, and with some really fucking idiotic logic as well. So he can get "something similar", but he cannot "get it close"? What's the functional difference that makes those two statements refer to drastically different things? Where is the iron-clad confirmation from Nasu that "something similar" isn't "get it close"?

Also, just to point out how far out you're reaching here:

>Excalibur Image is the best he can do in a place where he can make Excalibur, and it's absolute shit from what he does with it

You're basing the resulting performance from fucking in-battle special effects in EXTRA. You know, as if Archer could fire Caladbolg from like five meters away, hit a target flat in the face, and only create a bit of a blaze before landing right by the explosion. Are you saying Liz can survive eating Caladbolg to the face? Because that's what you're arguing here by measuring that thing's power in this way.

>>161432561
I actually think I wouldn't be opposed to it. I dunno, it could be hot.

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>>161432562
>you need a divine construct to destroy the grail >divine constructs can't be traced

>>161432562
>Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable.

A meaningless statement when Shirou literally traced Excalibur Morgan, and even if you somehow disputed that, Archer was then able to do it in CCC.

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>>161431949
>Not liking the smug rich girl who socially ruins anyone who treats her you badly.

>Not wanting to help the broken haughty girl who only wants people to knowledge her existence because she was labeled a failure and her life's sole goal was taken away from her and given to someone else.

>Not wanting to protect your wayward friend who's plunging head first into a suicidal magic war because she thinks it's her last chance at having her family acknowledge that she's worth something.

She needs you anon, are you really going to turn your back on her?

>>161432658
Its what all girls want surely

>>161431384
>it just means a more degraded copy.
This is what happened in Extra, and Nasu made it clear Archer can do it only because of "conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted"

>>161432717
I wanna save Shinji-chan from her evil granpa.

>>161432717
9/10

>>161432463
But if you don't need cheesecakes any more it's kinda pointless. Also, 30AP is way faster.

>>161424934
My Room lines

she had Guda run laps around the island and do other shit

>>161432562
And what is the all-important difference between that and "get it close to Excalibur" being a lie and Shirou confirmed to be delusional?

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I didn't play for 2 months and got unfriended by many
Need a lot of strong friends, especially Ibaraki NP5
Here's my servants

ID 735,200,717

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If EMIYA can't trace divine constructs, then why can he trace Medea's divinity aka rule breaker?

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>>161432717
>that entire post

>>161432619
OK that's too fucking sugary sweet for me.

>>161432926
>need strong friends

Fucking cute, alright i'll add you give me a moment.

>>161432717
>not liking or wanting to help a massive unrepentant bitch who shit talks anyone and everyone, never admits fault for anything, and makes herself feel powerful through sexually assaulting people
My back is already turned. I'd rather spend my time and energy helping somebody who isn't insufferable.

>>161432642
You realize similar does not mean it's the same thing right? Balmung is similar to Excalibur in that both shoot beams. Get something that shoots a straight beam of light like Caliburn you have something even more similar. Get something that looks similar, acts similar, and performs similar, and you have a similar sword that is not Exalibur.

>>161432969
Don't think. - Nasu

>>161432969
Nasu is a hack.

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>>161432993
Lolis are to play without a worry in their young minds and to be given plenty of headpats.
If it was up to me, i'd rather have them away from the fighting, but humanity needs them and they're kinda OP.

>>161432969
STOP THINKING YOU GOD DAMN AUTISTS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

-Nasu

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>>161431949
>Sounds like the kind of character that only dirty masochist subs would like
Better check yourself just to be safe, then. Diagnostic results will follow.

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>>161426519
I want to call Shishou beautiful without any hesitation when she asks what I think of her swimsuit

>>161432717
Way to help Shinji isn't helping him plunge further into his addictions. All he has to do to feel better in life, to feel refreshed again is to give up on this one thing you never had talent for in the first place. Shinji's flaw is that the one thing he's told he can't have in life, it drives him crazy, he's gotta have it. Devotes everything to something that he probably wouldn't care about if he did have. Rin rejected him, so now he wants to rape Rin and is obsessed about her. Was told he can't magic, so it becomes everything for him. If he had never heard about magic he'd have grown up happy.

>Q: In your original manuscript, does Shinji become a better person after he survives Rin’s route? And does have the potential to find happiness...?
>A: No fundamental changes, but since a great burden was lifted off his back (his obsession with sorcery), he'll probably be able to enjoy life as a fussy, loudmouthed, smarter-than-average, troublesome person.

Shirou can understand how Excalibur is made in contrast to EA where he can't see shit, it's just that the materials aren't on earth since fairies, he can create a bootleg that for all intends and purposes it's pretty much a weaker Excalibur.
Shirou also Projected Avalon in Fate route.

>>161433268
6 checks. What do I get?

>>161433196
>who's hand is that

>>161432969
A lot must be clarified in the difference between "item associated with the divine in any way" and "divine construct".
Divine constructs are made by alien intelligences according to alien design. Shirou's tracing mechanism cannot sympathize with the reason for their creation, and jams on the first of his eight layered illusions.
Not everything made by faeries or gods are divine constructs. Durandal has the faerie script showing it was made by inhuman hands, but Shirou can trace it just fine.

>>161432926
Sent.

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>>161432993

>>161432717
still better than Sakura

>>161432691
>Archer was then able to do it in CCC.
Not him, but this isn't applicable to normal situations. Emiya can only do that with Excalibur Image because conditions are better in Extra, and even then it's a degraded knockoff.

>>161432969
How could Shirou do Nine Lives from tracing the history of a sword that had never been used to do Nine Lives?

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>>161432717
Where the fuck is my F/SN Gold Edition?
I want to play Shinjiko's route now, dammit.

>>161433404
My money is on Cursed Arm Hassan's.

>>161433465
post the Ibaraki one

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>>161433196
>You will never watch over your lolis while they play
>You will never teach then fun new games play together with them
>You will never make a delicious lunchbox so you can all eat together when you're out having fun
>You will never tell them fun stories before bed
>You will never cuddle up and go to sleep to be well rested so you can play more tomorrow

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>>161432717
>>161432981
When you think about it, Sakura and Shinji aren't so different.

>>161433465
Post Raiden daughteru's comic, please. Mea culpa for not saving it.

>>161432543
Cool, just found it.

So, you can ascend her for now, but nobody will be able to perm her until the 4th, right?

>>161433492
It's not stated that it makes it possible for him to do it though, it's that it's possible for him to do it and survive.

And of course it's a degraded knockoff, all of Archer's swords are regardless of the amount of degradation. But it still qualifies to have Excalibur in the name.

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>>161433382
You're an M in denial.

>>161433493
Hercules' entire fighting style is nine lives, since nine lives itself is nothing but a technique used to kill enemies who regenerate from death blows such as the Hydra. This is why Archers' knowledge correctly identifies Nine Lives as the technique best suited to killing Hercules himself

>>161432691
Excalibur in FSN isn't the true Excalibur though.

Well, it is but it isn't. Excalibur in FSN is only Excalibur as the holy sword. Since FSN Excalibur has received a lot of wank and turned into a superpowered ultimate hope for humanity, but that is not the form present in FSN, nor is it the one Saber can use against Archer.

CCC is just Archer creating Excalibur as he knew it, which is the form it was in FSN.

>>161433557
I really hope fanart starts adding loli Jannu to the loli pack.

Does Amakusa really call himself Santa Ireland? Am I reading that right?

>>161433663
>even if you had zero you're still considered an M by this metric
This shit is clearly masofag propaganda.

>>161433656
Yes, until you get the Silver ticket it's just a temporal servant, she stays the same after you unlock her so exp and fous aren't wasted

>>161433770
Santa Island Kamen.

>>161433835
Thanks, I see now where I rushed with the kata.

>>161433672
But it's clearly stated that Heracles could not use Nine Lives as a Berserker.

>>161433720
This makes sense even if it's basically head cannon.
>>161433434
really gets my sinapis firing

>>161434069
That doesn't mean Archer couldn't retrieve the knowledge

>>161433661
>It's not stated that it makes it possible for him to do it though, it's that it's possible for him to do it and survive.
What? Material said that Excalibur can't be replicated there's no mention of "well if Archer were to sacrifice himself he could have", the condition in Extra is what made it possible.

>>161434069
But tracing a weapon traces the history of its wielder, regardless of how that weapon was wielded. The experience flows through.
He could trace a stick held by Lancelot and get Lancelot's crazy wooshy maneuvers.

>>161434145
>That doesn't mean Archer couldn't retrieve the knowledge
Yes it does.

>>161433813
The entire selling point of that VN is that all the love interests are more or less yandere and they're all more or less inclined to various flavors of sadism.

>>161433661
>It's not stated that it makes it possible for him to do it though
No, "conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible" is referring to capability.

>And of course it's a degraded knockoff, all of Archer's swords are regardless of the amount of degradation. But it still qualifies to have Excalibur in the name.
It's degraded such that this is explicitly significant and the very reason why Nasu allowed Excalibur Image in the first place. It wouldn't be worth noting if the inferior performance was on the same proportion as Emiya's other projections, because we already presume his weapons are cheap xerox copies as a matter of fact. Why do you think it's called Excalibur Image, and not just Excalibur as with every other NP?

>>161433818
Cool, thanks.

>>161434164
If it "can't be replicated" then there should be no conditions that can be changed to enable replication. Do you see where I'm coming from? It cannot be an impossibility in Fate/Stay Night, merely beyond Archer's ability to do without killing himself

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I WILL ROLL MANJEW AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME

>>161434448
Sure, why not?

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So we always jerk off to power level arguments between Servants, but why do we always neglect proper discussions about Magecraft as employed by the people who actually use it - Masters and otherwise?

Top Tier Mages:
Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg+
Manaka Sajyou+
Aoko Aozaki+
Julian Ainsworth
Ciel+
Trhvmn Ortenrosse+
Gransurg Blackmore+*
Alice Kuonji
Cornelius Alba
Kayneth El-Melloi Archibald
Souren Araya+
Illyasviel von Einzbern
Touko Aozaki+
Darnic Prestone Yggdmillennia
Makiri Zolgen
Bazett Fraga McRemitz+
Rin Tohsaka
Kirei Kotomine+
Tokiomi Tohsaka
Sakura Matou
Kiritsigu Emiya+
Kairi Sisigou+
Emiya Shirou*
("+" indicates advantage against opposing mages; "*" indicates Reality Marble)

Literally nobody else is relevant.

>>161434558
because magic was made joke tier in Fate the moment Medea's spells bounced off Arturia

>>161434558
Zelretch is the top one no contest

>>161434558
This better not be in decending order of strongest.

>>161434632
And yet people still argue that Touko could definitely solo the servants of FSN.

>>161434558
Very high chance you forgot some important ones from different stories.

What about Buzzcola for starters?

>>161433120
>You realize similar does not mean it's the same thing right?

Yes, it is not 100% confirmation, but it IS a possibility. One that fits perfectly with everything else shown on screen in the VN.

This all began with you claiming Nasu said something he never said, only later to admit that it was another statement entirely, which you felt comfortable saying could only possibly have one single explanation, so claiming Nasu backed up your claim was a matter of logical derivation rather than making shit up.

Saying that other explanations are not confirmed is not enough. You have to actually prove that they are utterly nonsensical beyond doubt, because you're asking people to disregard what the novel says, what a character who has no reason to lie says and assume Shirou's powers work in a way that REALLY makes no fucking sense considering all the banging-on about getting a focused image of what he's projecting throughout the route.

You claimed Nasu explicitly confirmed characters lied and were delusional respectively. You're doing a hell of a lot of "yes, but..." special pleading for something you claimed was the only conceivable explanation.

>>161432749
So where is it confirmed that an even more degraded copy is impossible outside?

>>161432562
So it looks like Excalibur, has the same function as Excalibur, has a power that can be used in an Excalibur-like fashion, and all of this is perfectly possible and shown happening in the original VN, but Archer was lying when he said he could do that and Shirou was seeing things when he was doing all the aforementioned stuff? How the fuck does this work?

Scathach is a better mage as a Lancer than Medea is as a Caster

>>161434678
>>161434674
Nah, that's the definitive order.

>>161434772
No faggot, he is clearly not important.

>>161434558
Because magus power is pretty blatantly tiered in-universe with no real need to discuss it.
Heroic mages beat everyone, Barthomeloi Lorelei sits at the top of non-heroic magi, DAA magi sit right below her, then the freaks (Ciel, Flat), then the really really great magi (Zelretch, Kayneth, Touko etc.), then the magus killers (Bazett, Kotomine), so on and so forth.

Is rin worth it if I have Gilgamesh? I am not a rin fag but a Sakura fag.

>>161434824
Imagine the power that Scat could unleash if she was summoned as a Caster.

>>161434824
who cares about Medea

>>161434875
He's said to have magic on the level of the witches of age of the gods as a human, and he could control the Fuyuki mud. Corrupted Heracles.

>>161434942
No.

>>161434876
>lorelei
>above Gransurg, Zeltrech or original Roa
LMAO

>>161434942
Not at all. Gil is way more useful.

>>161434875
Is this a list of overall power or skill in magecraft?
If it's the later it's fine, but i'd put Kairi above Sakura but below Tokiomi.

>>161434993
>>161435045
Okay, skipping bait gacha

>>161434430
>If it "can't be replicated" then there should be no conditions that can be changed to enable replication.
The original question was what is the limits of UBW replication, to which Nasu said that Excalibur are non replicable, Extra conditions boost Archer's replication ability so that he can replicate degraded copy of holy swords.

>>161434824
Cu as a Lancer with B-rank runes is actually better at buffing than Medea is. She could buff Kuzuki up to E-rank stats, a boost of one full rank from his baseline human faculties. Cu can do that with runes. But Kuzuki had no resistances of any sort, suggesting that Medea either neglected to give him protection or that she simply could not do so. Meanwhile, Cu can buff his magic resistance up one rank with his runes.