/scg/edg/ Star Elite: Citizen Dangerous General 96

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MISC is best brand.

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First for goons leave.

>>161242858
>features that exist now are barely functional
>no professions are fleshed out
Delay to 2018 here we come

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Dat Emp

the scam never ends

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More Dragonfly tier ships when?

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>>161243152
>leaving 2018 as bait like anyone here thinks it will be out in 2017

>>161243352
I have lots of Dragonfly > Argo, and Argo > Dragonfly CCUs. I figured they are both cool ships and I'd like to try them both. The Argo will have a repair arm, and does the same thing the Dragonfly does, so it will be more useful in the PU. But space motorbikes are so cool. A jump drive would be great, but I understand why they don't have one.

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>>161243152
The only difference is that you've been watching the pot the whole time instead of being unaware that it existed. You would usually be finding out that Star Citizen exists right about now.

This is the most ambitious game ever, bar none and its production is flying in relative terms, while setting new bars in nearly every field it touches. It does not need to be cut back or trimmed down to release sooner, its already funded, there is no holiday release target to make, you need to be more patient.

If you cant wrap your head around that simple idea then please refund your pledges and fuck off until general release. This sort of whining gaining traction in the minds of devs is literally the only thing that could make SC into a shitty game. Better to get a good game eventually that a half assed shit one now.

>>161243614
>This is the most ambitious game ever
Until Star Citizen 2 in 2020 when funding runs out

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First for this amazing and totally original idea.
Kill a pirate, get rare crate drop, buy key from store, funding at $200m by chrismas!

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>>161243352

Probably not for a while, but I really want to see this become a thing.

>>161243614
>SC has been in working development for 4 years

but i guess it saying 2.5 years wouldnt preve the point any less. not like the info in this image is actually reaching the people who are gonna deny facts and bring up decade old games as references

>>161243820
>star citizen will definitely have lockboxes!
t. goon

>>161243614
That is part of the problem, we were made aware of it too early. Normally at this point we'd have a handful of screenshots in a magazine or gaming site article that most people would skip over or just think it's neat and move on.

Instead we're made fully aware of each development stage and just how long modern game making takes. Because of this, Roberts has to throw fistfulls of money to keep the game in the public eye or they'll have forgotten it by the time its ready while fighting off the growing crowd of entitled "we want it now" gamers that are being used to only having a year or so between announcement and release.

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>>161242879
>>People expecting EVE:Game edition are silly though
>Thats the vast majority of SC supporters right now so thats why im expecting a lot of disappointed people once they realize its never going to happen.
I call bullshit on that.
Nobody who did a 2 minutes search expect a EVE:Online, I would dare say it's the opposite. We pledge for Star Citizen because it's a game that don't try to impress us with meaningless number "biggest" "quadrizillion planet" "infinite" "thousand of player at once". It impress us with its gameplay potential.

An Idris isn't big by standard metric, yet I'd sell any Titan in Eve online to play a combat between an Idris and a Vanduul capital ship

for comparison this is an "epic" fight in Eve online :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCK-E5AopVI

>>161243537
god damnit if that's a male i may need to take a long internet break

*zip* deed is done regardless

>>161243839
>That one faggot that joins the race in an Idris

>>161244013
>I call bullshit on that.
Feel free to go to the forums and look how mindless people are in thinking SC will have all the features of EvE but with pilot-able ships. Thats literally the common conception of SC.

>>161243780
>When the funding runs out
Four years later and theyre still bringing in two million dollars a month, this sale raked in cash and the only actual new ships is a weedy ass overpriced ayylmao mobile that very few people actually bought.
They sold Dozens of 1300 and 2700 shekel caps ships all for new cash.
The funding is stable.
And >>161243820
and fucking fuck you in the ass with a fucking rusty wire brush for even meme suggesting something like that.

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who owns a /bestship/ here

>u-boat wolfpack huntan
>das bootan
>capital shenaniganan
>chock full of lethal ship dildos
>RSI a e s t h e t i c
>fast as fuck for how thicc she is
>can shit out a small fighter to fuck with you
>can shit out s3 counterfighter missiles to fuck you
>goddamn bajillion turrets to further tickle your taint
>brig
>medbay
>dope pool table, will get you pussy.
>fantastic org platform, multiple hulls will scale nicely
>command deck and view of space fit for a UEE senator, politely invites things to simply try and smash into it through the overlapping turret arcs
>low low price of $750 for a fully armed military grade subcapital ship with LTI for permafun

god is great, hail mankind.

>>161244227
After I shoot your fat ass down I'll be sure to livestream exploring your wreckage for a few hours.

>>161244013
>implying you own a Titan in EVE
building a titan requires triple as much players then maintaining any ship in SC

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>>161243820
ALLOW GUEST BROWSING YOU CUNTS

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>>161244227
Reportan.

>>>161243112
>Going from coop to MMO must be like 5% of the code, they wouldn't produce the game any faster without it, but we would lose a lot

I think the difference between co-op missions like s42 and a fully-fledged MMO is much, much bigger than that. There are systems like the dynamic economy, mission generation, and dynamic player numbers in a location to deal with.

Unless you meant co-op as in SC, not S42. I can kinda see that.

>>161244227
>small mobile ship flies behind you
>you spend forever trying to face it while it destroys your engines
Beepbooppop big ships are crappy

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>>161244227

>>161244003
No, we weren't made aware early negro. It would not exist if it wasn't being sold exactly as it is. In 2012 they had literally no funding, no chance of getting funded traditionally and no brand recognition other than Chris's name.

This exact course of development was the only way it was gonna happen, people just need to fucking use their heads a little bit and understand that they dont have the toy yet because they did an actual pre-production order for a product, not a typical vidya "Pre-order" which is just "its already finished but pay us before the reviewers have a chance to shitcan our product because it is half assed and terrible.

You don't have the toy yet because the toy is still being designed and built. It' taking longer because the toy got more pre order than planned allowing them to make a better toy. Rejoice goyim, you are getting more than you paid for becasue you paid a legitimately autistic nerd who wants to make the best fucking game he can not a MBA having shekeljew who just want to make a quick profit.

Fuck sake if the funding runs out it means they didn't make any profit or hoard a "flee the country" fund and spent literally every penny on dev, how is that a bad thing?

>>161244227
>That picture
Thingsthatwillneverhappen.jpg

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>>161244227
>Low low price of $750
Pleb didn't even get a Unique sequential presale hull.
AND mine was only $625. :^)))))

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>>161244534
>a ship that mobile posing much of a threat to a proper, full human/AI hybrid crew polaris that will be constantly trying to expose you to multiple turret arcs and probably even be well-supported by a couple other vessels that it itself can rearm, repair, and refuel if they're of sufficiently small dimensions

that rear turret might end up fully automated, too; the vessel shitting out a fighter to try and deal with you notwithstanding

these are supposed to be unwise to give chase to

:3

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>>161244748
Dis entire game will never happen
My insider sources heavily indicate there will be not one advancement from this point

>>161244615
>Fuck sake if the funding runs out it means they didn't make any profit or hoard a "flee the country" fund and spent literally every penny on dev, how is that a bad thing?

At the very least they've employed 300+ people for 4+ years. That's nice.. i guess..

>>161243820
Secret message made me chuckle.

>>161245070
>implying it will stand up to close to equal credit cost in fighters

1v1 is meaningless when it takes multiple crew to fly anyways

>>161244534
>Small mobile ships gets behind you.

>Stomp the retros and splatter him on your big fat ass like a bug.
>Turn him into space conffetti with the 4xS4 or 8xS3 you have for direct ass turret coverage.
>Ripple off a couple of the THREE DOZEN S3 missiles you have on fully turreted racks.
>Decouple and spin, pointing all the forward Dakka at him.
>Sick your pet superhornet on him.
>Chuckle heartily while a ship which, being small and fast enough to hide in blind spots is also too small to cause more than trivial drain to your shields, puts forth a futile effort to make Polaris-tan notice him.
>Fly in a straight line at 1/3 Impulse, have your contingent of marines suit up grab personal railguns and magboot out onto the hull, having a grand game of pin the rail on the pilot while safely nestled inside the shield of a capital ship.

Should I go on?

>>161245093
There's been no advancement, there never has been, all the demo videos are just some fallout 4 mod Roberts threw together while he was using everyones money to drive Derek smart out of the gaming industry

>>161245070
>will be constantly trying to expose you to multiple turret arcs
>and will fail, because its not as mobile as a smaller ship
Fact is this; SC is going to be dominated by one meta which is number of ships > number of pilots

A group of shitty cheap ships with little to no cost of losing are going to be far more cost effective than these bigger expensive ships because in all the time it takes you to prep your ship and use it effectively a bunch of faggots in smaller ships can swarm you multiple times.

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>>161244227
gib big dicc shipp

>>161245325
Not that anon but you're hilariously delusional if you think you're going to be manouverable enough to do any kind of decoupled shit like that.

>>161245429
The meta will probably end up involving people moving in big carrier groups, with one or two carrier types, some large support ships with heavy turret coverage and a fuckton of fighters.

>>161245325
>>Stomp the retros and splatter him on your big fat ass like a bug.
>>Turn him into space conffetti with the 4xS4 or 8xS3 you have for direct ass turret coverage.
>>Ripple off a couple of the THREE DOZEN S3 missiles you have on fully turreted racks.
>>Decouple and spin, pointing all the forward Dakka at him.
All worthless because smaller ships are more maneuverable, oh good you blew up 3 of the fleet of 10 and 7 are now on your ass and you can do nothing to get off
>>Sick your pet superhornet on him.
Dead the moment it left the hold
>>Fly in a straight line at 1/3 Impulse, have your contingent of marines suit up grab personal railguns and magboot out onto the hull, having a grand game of pin the rail on the pilot while safely nestled inside the shield of a capital ship.
>shield
Went down before your guys could even get out, who couldnt deal any damage to the ships anyway because they are lagging the fuck out, clipping through walls and generally being buggy as shit

Please do go on until you find a viable reason why a fleet of worthless ships will ever somehow be less effective than your expensive as fuck but totally outclassed bigger ships. The only exception would be capitals that have so much overwhelming firepower and fleets they are basically their own worthless ship spam anyway.

>>161245628
Found the goon

>>161245625
>The meta will probably end up involving people moving in big carrier groups
Unlikely because small instancing

>>161245572
When you have mutliple available fire arcs, decoupling and getting one of em on target while coasting off axis wont be that hard. YOu wont likely get the nose turret on target, but the wait guns, missile racks and top turrets between them will almost certainly get a look, then its just up to the gunners.

>>161245093
good shit

https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/002/192/446/large/ken-fairclough-crusader-commercialplatform-callouts1.jpg?1458502074

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>>161245270
good eye

>>161245734
Nigga I dont WANT this to be the fact, I wish SC was basically just bigger ships against bigger ships with a focus on crews v crews and longer drawn out fights

But you cant deny the fact that everything in the game right now and what we know of the future is showing cheap shit swarms > everything else

>>161245745
Don't tell me SC will have the same bullshit instancing that Elite does

>>161245628
>>161245734
LELELLELE XDDD AURORRA SPAAAAAM

>>161245891
I don't think that at all.

Goon was referring to you thinking the end game will have people phasing through walls and shit.

>>161245572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTqFyYg46-Y

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>>161245325
>Teleports behind you
>Slices your skull in half with my space katana, your captains hat sailing through the air
>Lands perfectly on my head, making me the captain as I sit down
>"Navigation, all power to engines, quantum to these co-ordinates"
>"B-but sir!"
>"JUST DO IIIIIIT"
>Ship accelerates into the nearest star as I am beamed out safely
>It was me all along, the unstoppable and always viable Combat Carrack
>"There's another lowly Polaris in this sector, Engage"

>>161245953
>A Polaris will be as manouverable as a Gladius
>2.5 flight model that won't exist a couple of weeks from now

oh I am laffin

>>161245902
It does

>>161245943
>Goon was referring to you thinking the end game will have people phasing through walls and shit.
It is extremely likely that crew firing from ships v fighter ships will be either impossible or entirely impracticable

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>>161245628

>>161246059
>A polaris will be as maneuverable as a gladius

U wot m8? I just posted a video.

>>161245953
wew lad that's a light fighter

>>161246095
>It is extremely likely that crew firing from ships v fighter ships will be either impossible or entirely impracticable

Impractical, sure. But the whole basis of the game is that its possible.

>>161246153
In response to a comment where I said you would be delusional to think a Polaris would be manouverable decoupled..

>>161246120
dont bring ps2 into this you faggot

>>161246305
>>161246181
You're responding to the wrong anon. I just posted a video

>>161246368
In which you fucking quoted me, how is this difficult for you to understand

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>>161246120
>he didn't use his ESF as a hyper mobile hovering attack buggy

>>161246426
Yes, what's your fucking point? I posted a video showing what you can do with decoupled mode. Stop sperging, autist-kun.

>>161246368
You posted that video replying to a post which was about the manoeuvrability of the Polaris in decoupled mode, making it seem like you were offering it as some kind of counterexample.

>>161246481
In a gladius, when the subject was about a Polaris doing it

fucks sake you illiterate

>>161246509
I read decoupled mode and didn't read the rest because I wasn't interested in the autistic argument. As you can see, I triggered the autist >>161246559

>>161246434
fuck off back to your own general/somewhere else pls

planetside is not even a space game

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>Derek thinks this is Sandi's alt
>Haha, Derek is so stupid
>She literally posts as if it was Sandi behind an alt

Really makes you think...

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>>161246434
:^) literally right now.

>>161246332
>>161246638
Its not but Star citizen will probably be the only other game that offers the same scale of gameplay in actual first person.

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>>161246605
>hurr i didn't read the post it was inn reply to and failed at contextual analysis XD ur all autitsts lel triggered :^^^^^^^^)

>>161246791
haha lel penis

>>161246791
>He's literally sperging out

Calm down autist and go back to arguing with your friend about the polaris or whatever it is you were arguing about

u ok commandos?

>>161246973
haha lel penis

How long is the sale going on for?

>the great dilemma on what ship to have your LTI on
I have a buccaneer, I hope to god it isn't a super cheap ship when it comes out or else im totally bucced

>>161247043
No ejection seat

what do you think

>>161246789
>rockets

Impure

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>a ship finally has something resembling a computerized viewscreen
>it's on a fucking alien craft
>it's on a dirty fucking tevarin ship at that
>when questioned on it CR confirms it's just a handwave'd one-way viewpanel without a terrible lot to it, not explicitly digitized or jack shit

kill me

ps2 pls go

>>161247041
https://twitter.com/banditloaf/status/802929819147083776?lang=en

>>161246973
wow nice meltdown

Will they sell the Polaris again?

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>>161247138
Yeah but now the floodgates are open

Speaking of viewscreens...

>>161247093
Thats probably because of its a Drake ship though and it doesnt fit 'the character profile' of functional simplistic ass Russian ship

Just based on its stats it looks like a very glass cannon ship, it has as a lot more firepower than you would expect from that size while being fairly fast. So its the type of ship you always go balls deep on and either you unleash such a level of hell the enemy dies or you crash and burn which is why I thought putting the LTI on it would make sense since you'll probably be losing a lot of them.

Or at least thats my logic which i hope is right...

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>>161247383
>Speaking of viewscreens...

>>161247427
>yfw Russian attack helicopters have ejection seats when Apaches don't

The "cheap Russian shit" meme is just that, a meme. Removing basic features for no reason isn't an aesthetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5f4zc3/ben_lesnick_on_twitter_super_hornet_to_get_a_boost/

Apparently fatfuckben just said the super hornet is getting a price increase. Which makes me think the avenger gladius and sabre are also getting increases as well.

Should I upgrade this LTI 85x to something before the sale ends in an hour, entirely for the value? I have 55$ in credits

>>161247574
>Removing basic features for no reason isn't an aesthetic.
Tell Chris that

Well I have the buccer already so i guess ill stick with it

>>161247701
Almost like everyhing is getting that treatment and has been for years anon...

>>161247110
I go hard.
If you're gonna be a faggoty air nigger, best to be the niggest.
>Commenting the rockets.
Not commenting the double thermal optics and and Radar.NO ESCAPE

>>161247710

no reason not to, if you have 55 dollars in credit its not like you'd be losing anything, plus you'd gain a ship with LTI that can be upgraded to other ships

>>161247701
Bretty much everything will be improved and the price will go up because they've learned to not be so retarded when it comes to ship design (from a functional point of view)

>>161247710
Just buy an upgrade but then don't apply it if you aren't particularly attached to anything
Then you can melt if something you really want to upgrade to comes around

>>161247383
>muh view freelancer fag

pls go

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>>161247374
yes, with a markup from its previous pricetag, no LTI.

>>161248758
Not like the LTI part matters with all the tokens they throw out

What do we think about the Gladiator?

>>161249146
No one knows what to think about the bombers really because they're all "escort to the capital ass" ships.
I'd only get one if you have people to watch your back.

>>161247710
sale ends tomorrow, check bens twitter

>>161249146
has same wing missiles as 2.6 Gladius lel

Haven't played ED in a while, has something happened to the gimballed weapons? There seem to be a lot of people upset with them for some reason.

>>161249146
Great ship based around flawed missiles

>>161249313
Not strictly a bomber.

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>>161243079
*Anvil is best brand.

>>161249321
They nerfed them and buffed non gimballed, I think.

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>>161249146
i thought mine was sugoi before i fed it, an SH, and vanguard into the meat grinder where their screaming bodies were pulverized into shipgore and reshaped in the form of a polaris

hopefully they will be rugged and rad

>>161243537
>>161244065

it's good that the camera doesn't show more. This way I can assume the best came and enjoy.

>>161249146
Has the potential to be pretty good, but has some flaws. Retarded turret with useless tiny guns, stupid chair lift and in the speed balance patch they somehow forgot that it's a fighter-bomber and made it maneuver like shit. Plus they gave it the same wing missile hardpoints as the Gladius. We'll have to see what they do with it in 2.6.

>>161249479
So it's just the usual
>This thing is too strong so lets make it useless while we make something else too strong
thing ED loves to do?

>>161249483
God damn it is a sexy ship though

I like it a lot more than a SH

>>161249146
I loved it and it's still one of my favourite ships.
but

>retarded over designed chair lift gimmick
>absolutely awful cockpit seating
>slower then a multicrew ship

Is Herald gonna be a cool ship to fly in 2.6? I know its mechanics are not in the game yet but I just wanna fly something cool without spending 100$ more on ships (I'd be upgrading my Avenger Stalker).

>>161250402
For drag racing sure

I want to see this with the Herald

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVf1GKqaoMI

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>>161250402
it's presumably going to be obscenely fast in a straight line but won't maneuver much for shit

definitely a craft one can reliably escape from shit in, bet it'll edge out an m50 or 350r in sheer maximum velocity

>>161249146
of my $1800 worth of ships its the only one I have never melted or traded, and it was the second ship I bought, it's my pocket shipfu after the tally.

>>161250629
>gladiator/tali shipfus
Pleb taste detected

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>>161244487
The reason Coop was axed from SQ42 was because it was too constraining for the narrative (and it was a good call, we don't play coop for the scenario), everything else can and will be emulated on a PC the same way SC server will do it.

I believe you know, but just to give a clear example :
Dynamic economic isn't about making npc ship fly even when no one is here or looking at them, it's about running a simplified but credible model and making npc ships appear as if they had always been there.

>>161245902
>Don't tell me SC will have the same bullshit instancing that Elite does
Instancing is a good things, ED is shit for other reasons.
For instance it allow you to separate players who want to have fun doing coop or PVE and herd away griefer in separate instance

>ship prices vs ingame prices
How in the love of god is a SH supposed to cost more than a Retaliator

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>>161244227
Reporting in.
Anyone who want's to join and roam around raiding 890 dads are welcome!

>>161244227
cant wait to rekt whales with my mates in deltas and buccaneers

>>161251017
Comparing SH to Base Retaliator is like comparing stock Hornet to Bomber though

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I think that we can all agree that the Constellation Andromeda will be the single best highly economical moderate-sized small-crew vessel for broad application across a wide variety of tasks that can competently hold its own with just about any line of work while being far from the foremost ship in any given light other than strictly multipurpose hulls.

>>161251209
>taking a multipurpose ship
Enjoy being bad at everything and forced to specialize

Which one is going to be a better fighter in 2.6, Mustand Delta, 325A or Gladius?

>>161251209
Damage is fucking high so yeah it should be ok

>>161251185
Have they even given us any clue as to how much ingame these ships are going to cost?

Im getting a nasty feeling this is going to be grindy as all fuck or these prices are insanely overpriced

>>161251395
They've said it won't be grindy but obviously they would say that regardless
I think the idea is that early missions are as fun as later ones but that's a bold claim

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>>161251278
>implying there's no value in a light mercantile vessel that can credibly defend itself

i can hardly think of a better ship that one might be forced to use for a while should their entire spacelife go tits-up, and they need to basically start building their assets back up; on paper it's a fantastic sort of foundation ship that can apply itself broadly and serve as an economic backbone of a small-hull oriented personal fleet, well and capable of printing credits in a pinch.

>>161251395
Black hole ben has vaguely hinted that dollar-> uec price is actually 3/4/10 times less than in-game prices will be.

>>161251325
300 series needs a rework, mustang (pic related), Gladius gets buffed missiles and is apparently the ship they balanced every other ship around when it came to flight/combat adjustments.

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>>161251209
> single best highly economical moderate-sized small-crew vessel for broad application across a wide variety of tasks that can competently hold its own with just about any line of work while being far from the foremost ship in any given light other than strictly multipurpose hulls.
I disagree, it is only a moderately economical moderate-sized small-crew vessel for broad application across a wide variety of tasks that can competently hold its own with just about any line of work while being far from the foremost ship in any given light other than strictly multipurpose hulls.
*Assuming the balance are already set in stone and we know about it.

>>161251209
A shame its so fucking ass ugly and has a bridge that makes you look around a dozen struts to see anything.

>>161251209
The Taurus is 90% as capable as the Androgenous, costs 33%/75 dollars less and carry more cargo.

Second turret uneccessary, Merlin a meme.
I'd have one but I hate HAAAAAATE the regular connie cockpit glass setup, If I could get Aquila nose on Taurus I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

>>161251771
>>implying there's no value in a light mercantile vessel
There isnt. Period.

>>161252149
>>161252120

>Making assumptions on a game that doesn't exist yet

Whats going to happen to any ship upgrades you are holding onto, will they just sit in your inventory forever?

Iv got a buccaneer and just picked up a Gladius Valiant just because it was free but haven't decided if i want to switch.

>>161252259
It says pretty clearly they're going to be made void

>>161252259
Game is so far away from launch you won't have to worry about that until you've already ate that melt value up.

>>161252259
they'll likely go poof when the game officially goes into beta and you'll be credited for any dollar amounts they were worth.

>>161252259
Buy five of each so you can switch back and forth a couple times

Is the BMM going to go up in Price do we think?

Also has anyone credible said anything about the rumored "downgrade token" option recently?

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>>161251325
>>161251809

>>161252380
>>161252389
>>161252556
>now i have a buccaneer with a GV, freelancer and f7c to choose between
I guess ill pick one before they all go poof sometime before release then

>>161252679
Everyone thinks that because it's fucking competent for an alien ship but nothing official afaik

>>161252205
It has the same gun mounts, same engines, almost as many missiles, no merlin and one less turret. For $150 instead of $225 and it carries like 50% more cargo because the entire merlin dock is a secondary cargo bay. I'f you're flying solo or two man as a transport the Taurus is almost a clear better option in cost effectiveness terms.

The only thing the andromeda really has going for it is better shields and a larger missile payload.

>>161252679
As soon as it's in the game a price increase is pretty much guaranteed, considering that it's more or less a $350 ship size-wise already at this point and F42 is just going to make it bigger. Plus alien ship markup.

>>161252784
Its almost certainly gonna get bigger before its flyable, and when ships get bigger they get more expensive. I dont really want a happybanu mobile but I'd love to be able to pick up another 50 bucks of hull value or whatever and trade it up into a more costly ship that I actually want.

Alternately I might just upgrade it into a Caterpillar with credits I have lying about now in the aftermath of last nights jewish revelry.

>>161247701
Pretty sure the SH is getting a price increase because it's going to be better than the Sabre with the new flight model.

>>161252902
>The only thing the andromeda really has going for it is better shields and a larger missile payload.

and double the turrets, as well as any other metrics that you have no fucking clue about because they're not on the stats page, or even in the game yet.

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$95 concept sale next month for Dec livestream

What other ships do we have coming up for sale?

>>161253196
>Anvil-Hurricane.png
>cropped image of a Gladiator
What are you trying to say?

>>161253196
>>161253208
Well that answers that...

Any ideas on what it is?

>>161253196
Forgot your trip, Agent.

>>161253097
>Double the turrets.
Its has an additional 2xS2 which are not slaves to the pilots seat and requires and additional crewman to operate. That's kind of a wash in terms of cost effectiveness. Yes slightly less firepower, but also less crew and 2xS2 is really only worth an NPC gunner, not a player.

>Other metrics
Such as? its the same hull with different, cheaper, equipment. Its not like the Andromeda is made of unobtainium or something.

Im beginning to suspect you are an Andromeda owner who is salty that you bought wrong version of a ship.

>>161253196
>>161253293
Yeah thats literally a gladiator you niggerfaggot, Id recognize DAT ASS anywhere.

>>161253415
>Its has an additional 2xS2 which are not slaves to the pilots seat and requires and additional crewman to operate

Not necessarily.

>Such as? its the same hull with different, cheaper, equipment. Its not like the Andromeda is made of unobtainium or something.

Really? You know how armored it is? What component slots it has?..

nope

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>Have enough to get big boy snek ship
>Realize that I still need a shitload more to outfit it and have money to spare if I go full retard

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>>161253673
stop playing elite as this shit game completely lacks a tangible future in which it will ever be more rewarding or fun to play

appears to have taken 2225 hours but i am fucking finished

>>161253874
haha lel penis

>>161253673
And once you have it, what will you do then? More of what you did to get it? Does it unlock any new gameplay on its own or is it simply a bigger, more powerful version of what you already have?

>>161253874
>Elite rankings
>Main faction rankings
>All pointless and just a thing to grind for to get some ships

I don't understand why Frontier put out so much unfinished shit.

>>161254001
Because Braben is a dad and dads think that making a bar go up is gameplay in its own right.
He tried to make a sandbox game but failed to understand that the core element of a sandbox is the sand to build things with. E:D is a sandbox without sand, which is really just a wooden square on top of some dirt. You cannot effect the world in any meaningful way nor can you build anything that lasts or leave your mark anywhere, the entire game is about getting a bigger ship, becoming more personally powerful and wealthy and making factions like you because you murder people for them.

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>>161253874
But I still have fun with friends.

>>161253953
Well it would be complete jump from everything I've flown before, which is mostly small dedicated fighters, or shit meant for hauling.
I've done next to no exploration either, and I know I could get a DBack or use an Asp but might as well just power through the last leg and use this for it.

>>161252902
>almost as many missiles
Not really. The Taurus lacks the S2 missiles and reloader. So it only has 12 or so S1s. And now that the Connie doesn't fly like a fighter, not having those missiles is going to hurt it a lot against fighters

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>>161254353
It has 28 S1 missiles, less of a shitton than the andromeda, but still a shitton.

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>>161254315
exploration is the single most dull and worthless component of the game and I can confidently tell you that the entire galaxy is homogeneous without variation the full way through. i'm fully aware that there are some people who legitimately enjoy it but from the moment I got back from the core after my first run to Sag A* in a 27ly asp, every second of further exploration necessary for the elite rank was complete agony in the boredom and disinterest it produced in me

beagle point was okay but you can get the same view in the opposite direction with an infinitely shorter trip

stupid fucking shallow-ass game

fdev fix nao

>>161253196
>starter fighter
>$95
CIG is not helping their pay to win image to outsiders at all. If they did make a low-end dedicated fighter, that shit needs to be like 40-50 bucks and have a starter package immediately connected to it.

>>161254654
Maybe read the replies first autismo

>>161254621
How much work, or rather how long in your case, does it take to get to Elite in exploration?

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>>161254654
It's b8 m8, thats the lewd ass end of gladiator-chan, not a new fighter.

It's a troll making shit up to stir up an arguement.

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>>161254925
two fucking years since release of sporadic attempts at furthering my exploration rank, i got elite in the other two long before. i've no idea of the actual hours invested, but they're more than i'm comfortable with given how little value there is in leaving the bubble

you will need approximately 161 million credits in data to hit it. this is listed on a shitty wiki and turned out to be true for me.

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>>161255164
>Doing something you don't enjoy just for a ranking
If you were practically done with the game in motivation why force yourself.

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>>161255383

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>>161253196
I really wish you were telling the truth, agentanon. A fast, agile anvil ship that could use the same center modules as a hornet would be amazing

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>>161255383
because i wanted to go to beagle point to evaluate a 56ly anaconda and it left me at 97% rank so i rounded up the last bit in a clipper out towards the statue of liberty nebula

this collapse in interest has only just occurred, i'll have you know.

>>161254315
>might as well just power through the last leg and use this for it.

the fuel scoop for an exploraconda costs 90M. Yup, 90M for a fuel scoop on a 130M ship

Should I upgrade this 85x to a 315P? I heard good thing about the ship.

>>161245070
Whats the quickest way to get a polaris?
A warlock, a Prowler and as many of your mates that you can fit inside.

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>>161256241
>two dozen marines are waiting inside for you

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>>161256110
>90M for a fuel scoop on a 130M ship
That shit better fill up the fuel tank in a second and sing me sweet songs to sleep while it's at it then.

>>161256390
>NPCs vs Real Players

>>161256470
it's fast, you're also better off getting a secondary fuel tank to at least double your fuel capacity too

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>>161256601
>the ship belongs to an org that has decided to fully man it for some reason

>>161256756
That would be hilarious.

However, most crew would be engineers, etc.. Not fully teched out to fight like your boarding party.

In the last thread someone said that only NPCs would be able to man capital ships in future, due to fear of them being too OP when fully real player manned. No idea how true is that, most likely BS.

>>161257158
a polaris comes equipped with a full armory and the whole crew could come scrambling for armaments to repel boarders; presuming the EMP didn't knock out access to weapons storage or anything. there's also room for a full dozen armed and armored combat/security personnel past the like, eleven manned posts that can actually be utilized. Jimbo Fuckstick the No.3 Turret Operator won't do too much with an arclight in such a circumstance, though.

warlocks do indeed frighten me, however.

your last blurb is complete bs though, to my knowledge no such restrictions have ever been fathomed.

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Cant. Stop. Trading.
I have $55 in store cred.

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Is the normal Hornet worth it for the cargo space or is it too outgunned by the Sabre and Super Hornet to only be useful for light fights and cargo?

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>>161257914
using a hornet for ANYTHING related to cargo seems oxymoronic yo

i imagine the standard f7c would be handily outgunned.

>>161257914
Hornet with box can still load 3xS3 fixed Or whenever the twinlinks come out 6xs2 fixed. You'll be outgunned by a superhornet or sabre, but most of the world will not be flying hornets and sabres, since they can only do combat. You're average pirate is going to be flying something with a cargo hold like an avenger or cutlass.

The F7C has a niche in "slightly flexible combat ship". Also Pirate are way less likely to come after a fighter that may or may not have anything valuable to them at all.
One of the same reasons I keep looking at the base tally as a possible transport, most people ae not gonna look at it and think "loot pinata" theyre gonna look at it and think "potentially dangerous and likely carrying nothing of value"

>>161255529
>TheAgent
>"only" 27 with a 2002 join date

He is full dad

>>161258274
Why Avenger and not Hornet? They have the same amount of cargo hold right?

I have a Titan at the moment and trying to decode between Cutlass, Hornet and Delta.

>>161258048
I'd assume he means for scavenging or relieving solo haulers of some of their goods

>>161257914
it might be useful for high risk smuggling if you also have the ghost armor... assuming there's a mechanic for that.

>backed the game a long fucking time ago
>check news rarely
>people are still buying all these ships for some reason, although game is funded and there are no more "stretch goals" AKA feature cree
>have 315p and Aurora LN
>wonder why do I even have 2 low cost ships
should I just melt Aurora? Is it even a good ship?
>melting just after the sale
>muh LTI

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let's play guess the ship

>>161258745
Well LTI is probably more useful on an expensive ship, bigger bills and all.
Could swap them for a Cutlass Black as long as the one you upgrade has LTI attached.

Does this mean NMS is actually worth playing now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9PvjJJijY

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>>161258510
no the avenger titan has like three times the cargo hold of the hornet, hornet is literally just a little box shoved in the turrets place, the avenger is an actual fairly big internal cargo hold.

Delta has no cargo at all, but packs a solid punch for its size, Pick it only if you wanna be a space ninja.

Hornet is probably the most capable in combat, It can take hits where the Delta really just cant. Its without a doubt the best fighter of your list but really can only carry away a tiny amount of loot.

Cutlass is literally a bigger meaner avenger titan, and its about to get reworked and improved. Cutlass Black is the best "cargo fighter"

Titan is gonna be best bang for the buck in terms of "fighter with a cargo hold"

>>161258927
Bukaneeeeer

>>161258927
Cutiefly

>>161259103
No, not at all. There's still nothing to explore and the gameplay consists of mine mine, jump to next system, mine mine mine. Base building and a freighter literally adds nothing to the game.

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>>161258625
yes in immediate hindsight it certainly fills an interesting niche but your average big-box hornet isn't going to be drastically pressuring markets with its cargo leverage. secure small-volume storage and transport seems like its best bet and in that given role I bet it could very easily excel.

interesting stuff

>>161259202
So the "Cargo Unit" spec on the RSI site is what?

I thought that ment cubic meters or something?

Maybe I'll pick a Cutlass then, but I'm afraid it'll be too slow, unresponsive and too big of a target. At least the Cutlas i tried was very weird to fly.

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>>161259708
more like the 890 dump amirite

>>161259202
>The Avenger Titan comes with a tiny bed
>climb into it
>It's so tight it doesn't look like I could move my arms
>Start getting claustrophobic

>>161259202
we know nothing about how much cargo a ship actually holds until 3.0. I suspect the Titan's hold will be nerfed in some way. Probably by not letting you stack cargo all the way to the ceiling of the ship.

>>161259708
I want a 815p or 825a. Fuck the luxury yacht shit.

>>161259382
You also have to remember the Hornet is the beloved X-wing equivalent and they will make sure it's viable

>>161259802
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14684-Hull-B

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>>161259930
if a hornet is an x-wing, the constellation is a goddamn millennium falcon

b u e n o

>>161259961
He's right though they could just say "fuck you balance reasons" and change it and they'd be within their rights to

Reminder that these ships will get a cutlass-like update more or less
>Aurora
>300i
>Hornet
>Freelancer
>m50
>Gladiator
>Avenger
>Mustang

>>161259961
>https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14684-Hull-B
i'll believe it when I see it.

>>161260127
I always thought the Cutlass was more the Falcon regardless of what Chris keeps calling the Constellation.
You wouldn't look at the Constellation and call it a rusty piece of junk like you would for the Cutlass.

Explain buying hundreds of dollars worth of video game ships to me.

I want to understand.

Buccaneer vs Hornet as a pure dog-fighter ?

>>161260562
Hornet

>>161260562

The Buccaneer appeals to pirates because it's cheap and sturdy, but will be hard pressed to hold its own against a proper fighter like a Hornet.

>>161260394
Don't if you don't want to, ez.

It's like you're playing WoW but when you go to press the repair gear button it says "np you were a backer!"

Otherwise it's the same as people spending hundreds on pay per view wrestling and CSGO keys and other stupid shit.

>>161260562
Buccaneer would probably win against base hornet but hornet has more room to upgrade.

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>>161260394
the implicit and unfaltering belief that this game

our game

will be GOTYAY

>>161260562
one's sturdy, one's fast. pick the attribute you like better

>>161260797
Buccaneer has SH dps and is fast, it isn't going to be sturdy
It's the absolute madman fighter

>>161257158
>In the last thread someone said that only NPCs would be able to man capital ships in future, due to fear of them being too OP when fully real player manned. No idea how true is that, most likely BS.

That was me and so obviously faked I'm surprised someone took it seriously. I will have to avoid those childish joke.

The truth(TM) is that Idris/Jav and anything below will be possible to fully npc crew (based on ship capacity) because that's how player will 'agent smith' and replace the npc (without the hassle of fetching the player)
The Bengal and that one cruiser ship wont be fully npc crewed because they are prize ship only meant to be discovered as derelict repaired/captured, never sold.

Dev say that players manning is still expected to give an advantage but personally, I don't expect Org to ever fully man Idris because it would be a waste of manpower, unless of course they have one very specific need

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>(TM)

0153

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>LN
>Delta
>Tana
>Titan Renegade
Just need some Drake, Orishit and anvilcube starter now.

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>>161261602
Nice get but

>>161261362
I meant to quote you with that alt code. I don't know what's going on. 4chanx fucking up for me or something.

>>161261707
Wasn't really about the captcha, I just like posting funny ones.

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help

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>>161247535
>Best Ship
>Tactical Superiority

>>161261038
Can I fly in screaming witness me with guns blazing and actually have it work out?

I had a Gladius and I upgraded it to a Buccaneer, but just before the sale ended I grabbed the free Buccaneer to Gladius Valiant and F7C hornet upgrades.

Should I upgrade to either of those or keep the buccaneeer?

>>161262157
>no aurora
>no orion
Your lack of faith in RSI disturbs me.

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So when will we get the new reworked Cutlass Black?

I see that Cutlass Red and Blue is coming in 3.1.

137 million boys.

>>161262569
auroras are for poopyheads and my husbando now has an orion

:3c

>>161262563
Should have grabbed a few dozen of them so you can change between them until you decide on a favourite.

>>161262536
>Can I fly in screaming witness me with guns blazing and
It's the closest ship for
>actually have it work out?
Haha nah nigger

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>>161261863
I guessed that
To make up for the disinformation, here is some links.
An old one from 2014 that said they acknowledge that player want to be able to play entirely solo.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14354-Letter-From-The-Chairman
Recent one mid 2016 that explain they'll still limit it depending on server capacity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciCNkp20O7w&feature=youtu.be&t=858
I don't have the link where it say "only 3 wingmen npc" but we can suppose it will be based on how many Dragonfly raider you can fit on a ship before it get ridiculous.

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>>161262746
>auroras are for poopyheads
WOW RUDE

Don't even have one because LTI starter is silly but I'm getting one in game

>>161262746
I'll fly escort for him in my SH, and cuck you in the ass while he's on cargo loading duty.

First ship bought with UEC?
>Buccaneer.
Then
>Greycat
>Prowler

Depending on how much these ships costs, I'll buy them too.
>Orion
>Crucible
>Endeavor
>Hull E

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F I D E L I O

>>16126260
"cutlass black is flight ready" -from the finale sale page

not sure if this means new cutlass or if this is jewish tricks

>>161259605
>>161262603

Please respond on these

>>161263768
>all that fucking room in the cockpit
please tell me that isn't the cutlass
I had hoped the scale was just a bit off in the greybox

>>161263896
see
>>161263827
and the finale store page text above where drake shit is listed

idk where the hell that removed post came from

>>161263934

tahts the caterpillar

>>161263934
Lose all expectation you have of it being the size the Cutlass is now

>>161263973
Thanks.

To the other question, what does the "Cargo Unit" mean on the ship matrix on the RSI site?

It says the Titan and Hornet got the same amount of cargo units, but only the Titan has a cargo hold, why is that?

>>161264161
hornet center module can be a cargo pod. all hornet and super hornet center modules are interchangable

>>161264161
The F7C comes with a cargo pod.

But they don't carry the same amount of cargo, stop looking at the ships stats page, because its just plain wrong most of the time.

>>161263934
This shows a pretty good view of the new cockpit space, there's a lot more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnAcFQyQ3Q

>>161264286
>>161264303

So when the RSI site tells me that the Titan got 13 Cargo Units, that means a small box in addition to the cargo hold?

>>161254001
>>161254297
Don't play it.
Play something you like.
Let others play this game, if they like it.
Easy peasy.

>>161263383

>base ship

Super Hornet

>First ship with UEC

Crucible. Next Freelancer MAX. Then maybe a 890 Jump just for fun.

I primarily want to do combat missions both in space and on land so I went with the colonel package back in 2012. Upgraded to a SH when it became available. But the repair mechanic intrigues me and I still like space trucking.

>>161264497
No, it means that is can hold 13 CUs worth of cargo.

>>161264351
Now I want a cutlass, nice back door, I could get a dragonfly in there.

>>161264497
stop taking any of the stats or numbers on RSI'd page as fact - avenger will be getting a rework to actually function properly in 3.0+ just like all the cutlass needed, and 300 needs

unless it's a newer ship designed with 3.0+ game mechanics in mind, it probably won't be ideal for cargo or any other features until reworked.

i'd be suprised if the hornet cargo stays a thing period since it's just fake boxes with no actual space

>>161264750
I bet I could get a dragonfly in your backdoor ;)

>>161264594
>Why did Frontier make such bad decisions?
>D-don't play it!

Great answer champ

>>161263896

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14684-Hull-B-Q-A
This is the msot up-to-date thing for cargo size I know of.

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I'm really not sure how I feel about this. It's a lot like the Idris growth; sure some fags complained about getting more ship than they wanted, but how many do you really think melted it down for a Polaris? On the other hand, I feel like smuggling is going to be a lot harder in a mini capship than what looked like a speedy looking unconventional little semi truck of a blockade runner.

>>161265314
The sections are removable though.

Imperial Courier vs Vulture, what do you like more and what should I buy?

GO GO GO

>>161264981
I don't see bad decisions.
So I'm keen to play.
You see bad decisions, so you're NOT keen to play.

See? It's a matter of taste.
So relax and go easy on the green text and assumptions.

>>161265410
>GO GO GO

kys

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>>161265314
Most of the time the growth seems to be solely because the ship can't perform all the functions it was sold with, so they upscale it so it actually can. That sort of growth no one should have a problem with. Some of the growing seems kind of unnecessary, but the Caterpillar and Idris both seemed more in tune with what they should've been as larger ships.

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>>161265314

>>161265408
they have never indicated that you can fly with more or less than the four sections. the modularity is entirely in being able to swap out the sections for different modules. all sources indicate you must have four and only four modules, regardless of what they are.

>>161265552
>It's a matter of taste

Sure, delivering papers for 100 hours is your taste. That doesn't change the fact that your taste is shit you cunt. Shouldn't you be at the fucking forums thanking Sandro for removing Quality of Life features?

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>>161265314
Put that font out of its misery and uninstall it.

>>161265670
You sure are angry.

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>>161265619
all you had to do was mirror the damn three, CJ! anyway it's been long confirmed that it's in the next major patch.

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>>161264660
>>161264920
I know the numbers are all fucked up. I'm just trying to get my head around what they mean by cargo units and if cargo units is the cargo hold itself or a small box in addition.


How can they fuck up the numbers that much by saying the Hornet's cargo box can hold 13 units and the Titan only 3?

I understand they are wrong, but it feels like there is something else I dont understand.

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>>161265783
>tumblr
it's my favorite font and your opinions are wrong

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>>161265789
Yeah, I fucking am. Because a game I wanted to like/did like has been getting worse and worse by the day because of shit eaters like you being pandered to. In fact, I am fucking furious.

>>161265994
cargo units is the amount of cargo the ship can hold, don't know how many time we need to repeat this

>Why can the Hornet hold X but the Avenger hold Y?

BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE FUCKED

>>161265554
kisses to you too, faggot.

>>161266008
There are a plethora of space/sim games out these days, and more coming.
Don't waste your time being angry that one of them didn't turn out the way you'd have preferred. Get one of the games that you like instead.

No need to be aggressive towards others either. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

aghh this is torturous. I still haven't decided whether I want the banu mememan. The decision entirely hinges upon if we will be able to essentially "park" it in safe space as a mobile shop, I already have a main ship; my reclaimer. I don't think it's really discussed at all.

>>161266251
>There are plethora

Fuck you Dad. I will be aggressive, rude, and whatever else I fucking feel like to you cunts. Because *YOU* helped ruin something I at one point enjoyed.

>>161265994
cargo unit is the measurement system. whether this means size of objects, weight, etc we dont know

neither the titan or the hornet cargo will be functional compared to anything designed with 3.0 cargo in mind, if they work at all period in 3.0 for cargo. neither ship page has been updated since they came out - we'll probably be looking at this 4 year old concept of the caterpillar that says it's 85 meters long for another year

neither ship is relevant for cargo until they get reworked for it

>>161265994
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14684-Hull-B-Q-A

Anvil Hornet F7C 24.4921875 12.54

This would imply the store all that goes in the hornet ball would be Radius 2m.

Aegis Avenger 23.4375 12

I'd guess the cargo hold wxhxd is 2.5x2x4.6875

Numbers are probably total horseshit though, hopefully 3.0 will reveal the truth.

>>161266429
Well, that's your thing then.

is 17 draconis still up?
also, is aditi the only place left to grind out empire rank?

>>161266330
spend your money on things that will be fully playable with most or all features inside the next 3 patches. the "mobile store" thing is a meme that is possible from literally any cargo ship, so long as they dont fuck up the entire system and make cargo some kind of player-bound object - which would make piracy nonexistent

>>161266646
Maybe next time you'll be smart enough to not engage a clearly disgruntled person with

>Well, I like it! You should find something else!

>>161267185
Nope, and you can't make me.

>>161267332
And you can't stop me from calling you a cunt.

>>161267185
>>161267332
>>161267752
stfu

>>161267752
>>161267332
>>161267185
>>161266646
>>161266429
>>161266251
>>161266008
>>161265789
>>161265670
>>161265552
>>161264981
>>161264594
>>161254001
>>161254297
>>161253874
>>161254001
>>161253673

Keep it /edg/y boys.

>>161267752
>>161268127
>>161268270
Bit off topic now, eh kids?

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>>161268423
The dads need to be reminded of the shitty quality of human beings they are.

>>161268423
yeah gj cunt

>>161254654
this >>161254926
besides, single purpose fighter seem to be more expensive for some reason (mustang delta, gladius)

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Alright, what do you guys think of my goal for SC/E:D

Become a Space Australian. Getting a decent Caterpillar sized ship to do some hauling and exploration jobs on the fringes of human space, but popping out the little fighter every once in a while to stop some Slavers. Not out of the goodness of my heart, but because I can probably loot the ships involved and get praised for it, all while talking in such a stereotypical Australian that I constantly get banned from group play.

Heck, being rescued by me will be like being saved from your burning apartment by a thief who was only there to nick your stereo. AND HE STILL NICKED IT!

>>161269014
>Become a Space Australian.
A noble idea.

Take some Australian behaviour and language lessons from this guy;
>>161268587

Also you'll need to git gud at shitposting.

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>>161269014
Oh good ol' Space Australia?

>>161244418
What's that ship above it?

>>161269198
I gotcha fampai.

>>161269337
I'll always traverse the verse with a Foster's in hand. Besides a huge spoon, what Firearm would an Australian have to liberate his new Vanduul ship from the Vanduul inside of it?

>>161270084
single shot bolt action 4 gauge shotgun

>>161246789
Star citizen will not offer that scale of gameplay.

>>161247427
Anvil is actually the russian manufacturer. Even in lore they originally started in kiev.

>>161270441
...and a donk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag

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what sort of wacky weapons do you want to see in the year 2947, /scg/?

disintegrator cannons?
300 rounds per second shredder guns?
recreational nukes?
graviton beam emitters?
pocket rail guns?

everything thus far is pretty vanilla, I think some of the handheld weapons described in Elite's lore trounce what we've seen from CIG so far.

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>>161271392
Pocket rail gun eh?

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>>161251209

That elevator is so silly looking. I don't understand why they never redid it as a front landing strut that also works as a point of ingress/egress like the Freelancer.

>>161270657
how can you be sure? for that matter, how does PS2 support so many players and vehicles in a single zone? the graphics and physics seem at least up to modern standards, what is SC doing that it isn't that it can support so many?

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>>161271468
that form factor is a bit too big; i'm thinking the size of a small handgun

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>>161271392
>graviton beam emitters?

Kind of this

>>161271549
for real, it needs both of those things. trying to use that shit in space is a nightmare.

>>161271392
laser crossbows with laser strings.

>>161271392
what's described in lore is always going to trounce what's described in game. what does E:D actually have playable, other than lasers and ballistic gatlings?

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>>161259202
>Avenger

That engine design still makes no sense

Aegis fags are also the worst

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>>161260331

Comparing anything to the Falcon is dumb because the Falcon is a retarded ship from a movie meant to sell toys to kids.

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>>161271549
>>161271758
While I don't deny that the elevator is fucking awful, at least judge it based on the new modeling. It's wider, rectangular, and less of a hazard than the circular one. It's meant to be the main disembarkation lift while on planet, with the cargo bays two docking hatches as the way to get in and out in space. Those hatches have their own problems right now, though.

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>>161272409
you still have to jump to get on the fucker. also, this

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>>161272409

Doesn't it tip over in the game?

Pic unrelated

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Several million.
What did he mean by this?