/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

First for Shamadness

First for RNGstone

>Devolve
>Evolve is rotated out in 5 months
Feel devolved man.

>>160850018
>few people getting excited about rogue cards
>Druid and Shaman are on a whole different level
Is Valeera playable at least in brawl?

first for eloise meido cosplay

Reminder that Malygos Druid is infinitely more cancerous than tempo mage or mid shaman.

>>160850207
Evolve is being rotated out in a year and five months-ish.

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>people who take a casual phone game for children seriously

>>160850217
Lol no.

>>160850207
Both are rotating out at the same exact second

>>160850290
Oh right. For some reason I thought that Evolve was TGT.
No idea why I thought that.

>shaman gets more RNG shenanigans
>druid gets the ultimate anti-fatigue card that enables heavy spell decks further and works great with Fandral and the jew
>rogue gets a 1/1 with stealth
y-yay

>>160850431
>card enabling a fun memedeck
>in tgt

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What do you think senpai?

Are we going to make Rogue Great Again?

>>160850545
Rogue is confirmed worst class next expansion already.

>>160850545
Nigger where's your N'Zoth

>>160850508
>paladin gets an entire set of cards based around buffing minions that works only in conjuction with other cards from that set
>priest gets psp
>shaman gets devolve
really exerts your gray matter

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>>160850520
:}

>>160850217
Yes, for prep prep coin coin coin concede

>>160850545
>coin
>and prep
>not 1 auctioneer

>>160850508

Trust me its better this way.

Better for rogue to get mundane but relatively decent cards instead of thistle tea, gang up and posioned blade.

>>160850545

A) nzoth
B why not run wild pyromancer instead of fok
You have 16 spells not including fok it makes more sense to run that

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Haha I love hunters ecsdee

All he did was play minions and go face all game haha

Call of the wild into fucking King Motherfucking Krush of all things ha ha

Fuck this game.

Devolve is literally mass dispell but better since you would only use it to remove deathrattles/buffs

maybe won't see play but will probably be fucking annoying

Do control priest and control warrior now have to concede to fatigue druid?

>>160850545
hahahahaha good luck with that. If Rogue is ever great again, Blizzard will swiftly nerf anything that doesn't make them another tempo curvestone class like they were pushing with deathrattles.

Blizzard hates combo and any deck that isn't minimum like 25 minions.

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Tonight, a tale of FAITH IN THE LIGHT

>>160850908
Show us on the doll where he touched you
>>160850926
Devolve is an RNG fiesta with possible outcomes being doomsayer, thrillhouse or lorewanker from the same minion.

>>160850908
>play ressurect effects instead of flash heals
>get punished
I'm ok with this, you're even trying to cancer cheese with barnes kill yourself

>>160850951
Priest can use the new dragon to thoughtsteal a jade golem spell from druid

>>160850926
It's way fucking better.
In 90% cases, it takes power off the board in addition to removing buffs and card texts, and costs 2 mana.

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Who /GrimeyGoons/ here?

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>>160851035
>Face.jpg

Right there. I will always fucking hate the supreme cancer known as hunters. Just wait until shaman is no longer top tier and you'll all remember.

>>>160851112
>Implying I havent already used both flash heals

Also the standard ressurect decklist just runs barnes.

>>160850545
that is absolute garbage, but jade rogue will be a thing and it will be great

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>one card absolutely nullifies fatigue damage

move over warrior, the new king of fatigue has arrived.

>>160851276
time to make use of Justicar before she rotaters out

>>160851276
he beats fatigue damage but does he have enough sustain for combat damage?

>>160851276
so what, they still cant get 4 armor per turn

>>160851276
>Keep filling your deck with these
>Fatigue comes
>Play elise
Stories to tell your friends!

>>160851372
you can get 30/30s 2/3 turns

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>>160850827
>mundane but relatively decent cards
anon...

>>160851405
why, if you are in fatigue you are better off summoning 1 mana 10+/10+'s

>>160851492
>tuskarr and rockbiter nerfs will kill shamans

>>160851446
Legendaries are different il give you that.

>>160851536
STORIES

>>160851561
>we wont nerf trog or totem golem because they are rotating out soon

cool, so everytime a class is broken because of a card we can expect them to ignore it for up to 2 years

>Druid, the second strongest class on ladder right now gets yet ANOTHER busted card.
>It just wins them the control matchup for free
It's kind of appalling how clueless the HS devs are.

How do I play rogue when the expansion comes out?

>about to pre-order
>no card back included

>>160851764
>>160851740
Dont worry bruhh. These druid cards will rotate out soon. HS devs are competant.

>>160851740
>Nerf priest cards because it's so broken
>Priest basic/classic cards are already dumpster tier

>>160851950
>print a 1 mana discover spell or minion in the most flexible class in the game
>also print fandral in the same set
I hope this is satire and hearthstone is really just an experiment to see how long a fanbase will put up with being abused

>>160851949
>about to pre-order

Your first mistake

>>160851949
>pre-order on blizzards site, 50 packs for $50
>wait for the new set to come out and use amazon coins 40 packs for $25

hard choice

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Man I really really like hunters. My favorite class.

>>160851276

>priest mind-visions this

>coin wild growth
>jade blossom
>Fandral + jade idol
>Aya

I wanna play druid

>>160852059
Raven Idol is LoE

>>160851276
>Never get fatigued
>Be able to bust out 1 mana 7/7s or better mid-late game
>Fandral is absolutely broken with this.
How horrifying.

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>>160851764

>BUSTED
>does nothing on the board when you are even
>does nothing on the board when you are behind

Maybe a C+, but busted. Come on friendo. I know HS players are terrible at evaluating cards, but this like basic game knowledge.

>>160852147
close enough

play hearthstone! :D

>>160852226

>summoning golems == doing nothing on the board

good reading comprehension bub

>>160851764
>thought druid would be gone after force + roar nerf
>they finally wont be in tier 1 after years
>whispers gives them the best class legendary and now they sling spells harder than mage

why can't druid and warrior fuck off for an expansion or two?

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>>160852226
>use 1 idol to shuffle 3 more into your deck
>use 2 idols to summon Golems
>use 1 idol to shuddle 3 more into your deck
>use 1 idol to shuffle 3 more into your deck
>use 2 idols to summon Golems
>use 1 idol to shuddle 3 more into your deck
>use 1 idol to shuffle 3 more into your deck
>use 2 idols to summon Golems
>use 1 idol to shuddle 3 more into your deck
>use 1 idol to shuffle 3 more into your deck
>use 2 idols to summon Golems
>use 1 idol to shuddle 3 more into your deck

>>160852373
Because they're the safest classes in the game. Druid or Warrior will ALWAYS be good as long as cards like Win Axe and Innervate exist.

>shadowstep summon jade golems shenanigans
shame they try to push nigger rogue. jade seems to be much spicier.

>>160851276
Jade Golems basically mean control is dead for 2 years right?

>>160852084
>>160852102
but im not from burgelandia

>>160852373
Because Druid is the only class in the game designed to be good and fun at the same time.
Others have to choose or be Priest.

>>160852532
It basically means if you wanted anything that wasn't 5 minute long midrange games of 30 minute long fatigue games, you're shit out of luck.

>>160852226
Learn to read you fucking nigger.

>It just wins them the control matchup for free

It's the perfect tech card. A one off ensures actual infinite value.

wtf are you guys talking about. druid only ever fatigues when they run out of cards and have no threats. it's not like warrior or priest going into fatigue with full hands deciding whether to monkey or not.

Can we trade Team 5 for the overwatch team? Overwatch devs actually listens and work with thier player base while 5 just yells STORIES TO TELL YOUR FRIEND and make more broken rng shit cards

>its a turn 3 jade blossom into fandral+jade idol episode

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>>160851276

Post cards essential for the new meta.

>>160853169
>pallys will be able to buff and protect lore

Jesus. Christ

>lose against the one shaman on ladder smart enough to tech healing wave

>>160850545
Why does your Druid deck have Rogue cards in it? Don't you want to win?

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>10:00 PM PT
>8:00 PM PT

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How good is Cho right now? Going to need him to play control in the future expansion, should I just bite the bullet?

>>160851276
Mark my words, Yogg Druid is going to replace Raven Idol with this and it's going to become utter cancer.


>They no longer have to worry about fatigue despite all their card draw
>More spells for Yogg and Arcane Golems
>Late game huge minions to repeatedly summon

>>160853775
He's currently worse than useless.

>>160853169
Kern is essential in every medda

>>160853808
>replacing raven idiol

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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i love how back in malchezaar everybody was like "NO IT'S SHIT BECAUSE IT FILLS YOUR DECK WITH MORE CARDS! ITS INCONSISTENT!" and now everybody is going "FILL YOUR DECK WITH IDOLS!!!"

>>160853072
I'm convinced that Team 5 are legitimately the worst dev team at Blizzard. Every dev team has their shit together except Team 5. Even the diablo guys are at least making content that people want.

>>160854065
Idols aren't inconsistent.

>>160853169
>>160853775
>opened Cho from pack a while ago
>never played him except for joke decks & brawl shenanigans
Not sure how to feel about this.

>>160853775
best epic in the game imo

>>160854065
dumb retard

>>160854065
>1 mana choose a card that you need in this situation
>comparable to LE RANDOM LEGENDARIES XDDDD

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>>160851276
Anything that cucks Garrosh and all those faggot Control Warriors is alright in my book.

>>160854065
>5 random
>3 baby c'thun

>>160854065
because you can fill your deck at the start of fatigue instead of the start of the game you fucking retard

>>160854058
>He thinks Raven Idol is played for anything but to hopefully get another Raven Idol into another Raven Idol into another Raven Idol for easy Yogg build up and faster free Arcane Giants

>>160854065
(You)

Why are people memeing Jade Rode so hard when it is obviously worse than shit? Have people done this with other decks before expansions in the past?

>>160854248
It's mostly played because it's a 1 mana spell that reads "draw two cards". That's why it's that good. the spell count is signficant to be sure, but the fact that it's a +1 for 1 mana is why it's so good.

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new quest announced

Can you use an american Amazon coin account to get packs on a EU account and vice versa? the US has some nice coin deals

>>160854248
raven idol is fucking busted especially with fandral. getting another swipe, mulch, or malygos happens way too many times. what's the jade idol going to do except help in nearly nonexistant fatigue wars?

>>160854654
Buff Yogg
Reduce Arcane Giant cost
With Fandral it will both beef up your deck AND summon a perpetually stronger and stronger minion the opponent has to keep dealing with

>>160854603

This reminds me there is a quest for collecting all the classic cards

Hahaha, 1 and half year playing and I'm not even close because epics are stubborn as fuck (hi 6 kidnappers and 0 preps) and so many legendaries are just dust tier

>>160853169
>paladin and hunter could legitimately go their first 6 turns without playing any spell with the grimy goons
holy shit

>>160854248
Raven Idol with Fandral is effectively turning 1 card into two

Cards that replace themselves are good as fuck, cards that actually give you MORE cards are insane

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the new quests are actually really good, for almost 2 monts, week after week i've been getting easy shit like summon 30 pirates/use 10 weapons, easy gold and i get to be done with the game for the day

>>160855098
So Malchezar is insane?

>>160855230
No. You're retarded though.

>>160855230
It'd be insane in a control meta. It's one of the only things that can combat a good control priest, for example.

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Post great cards no one uses

Will fatigue Druid become Warriors worst nightmare? Idol allows for no fatigue damage + an ever increasing amount of minions that get stronger each time.

>>160855230
>hsg posters

>>160855434
>healing might actually be a thing for druid

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>tfw climbed up from rank 16 to 7 in 2-3 hours with control shaman
>devolve

fucking yes thanks Hearthstone, control shaman is so fucking fun

>tfw

>>160855434
CW is probably dead when MSG hits.
They've gotten no good control cards, and Druid hard counters them outright now.

>>160855434
control warrior is already well known to be bad against other control decks. they're just the best control deck against aggro

>>160855563
But... CW has basically been one of those decks which are usually strong throughout the history of HS. Similar to Zoo.

>>160855553
Dick?

>>160855563
Druid, Midrange Hunter, Priest, Shaman, and Reno Mage.

Control Warrior will be like living in hell.

>>160855553
Concede Shaman was already fun as hell, I dunno how well Devolve will work in it though honestly.

>>160855230
If Malchezaar read "Battlecry: Add two legendary minions to your hand" then I can assure you it'd be an autoinclude.

>>160855386
>example card is not an example

>>160855658
It's strong when certain meta conditions exist. Mostly against board flood aggro and curve midrange.

>>160855658
>But... CW has basically been one of those decks which are usually strong throughout the history of HS. Similar to Zoo.
Yeah, but it's gotten nothing good in a long time, it's going to lose some staples in a few weeks, and it's getting nothing back from MSoG.
The cards it's getting in MSoG are clearly pushing Warrior to be more aggro/tempo based, meanwhile we have Druid that's getting permanent fatigue immunity, it will get overwhelemed by the aggro from Goons decks, it will probably do okay against Kabal, but it will depend on how Reno-y and inconsistent they are.

>>160855943
>it will probably do okay against Kabal, but it will depend on how Reno-y and inconsistent they are.
I can tell you from personal experience on both sides that Reno Mage vs CWarrior is a worse matchup for Warrior than Freeze Mage v Warrior is for the Mage. It's almost unwinnable, same with Control Priest.

Them getting tools to iron out the inconsistencies is not going to help.

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>>160855553
>implying things will work the same in that Tempo meta.

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I honestly cant control it anymore, I need to open fucking packs, did blizzard announced at least ANY date?

>>160857084
dec 7

>>160857084
EARLY DECEMBER YOU STUPID MONG, JUST WAIT.

Don't buy into their Hebrew tricks.

>opponent plays nzoth
>gets a bunch of good deathrattle minions
>devolve :^)
>some board clear :^)
heh, nuffin personel

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>Devolve

Does this fuck over Zoolocks? Or do they not care about which trash token minions they've got?

87/132 cards revealed

>>160857451
rares are always the best cards

>>160857417
the minions zoo play all have pretty important abilities

an losing a bunch of 3/2s turning int 2/1s is huge when shaman has chap AOE

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>devolve
>enemy has a bunch of 5 costs
>this happens
this will happen and you know it

>>160855658
http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilder/shaman#10:2;33:1;270:2;280:2;395:2;495:1;498:1;525:1;613:1;676:2;14447:1;22331:1;22340:2;22345:1;22351:2;22353:1;33134:1;35228:1;42022:1;42039:2;42042:2;

>>160857583
>enemy has a bunch of 5 costs

Since when?

I'm excited for Gadgetzan because Mill will probably be good.

>>160857632
I change the Deck list every 4-5 games, had Barnes and Rag into it switched out for Yvera because I had not enough dragons and here and there some changes. Looks clunky but the HW stalls like crazy.

>>160857710
Dopplegangster + buffs.

>>160857710
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryone

Man I really want to play dragon hunter but without any heal you just die to fucking tempo mage even 20+ hp isn't safe

>>160857417
You realise this is also going to fuck over literally any grimy goons deck as well, right?

At best, it decreases the mana cost of your terribly understatted hand buffing minions by one, and maybe adds one attack. At worst, that hand full of 1 drops that you've been buffing for four turns turn into tinyfins.

>>160857753
>mill will be good
>snowball curving: the expansion
kek

>>160855943
>okay against Kabal
Oh yes, because when I think of cards that Control Warrior is really good at beating, the first ones that come to mind are Cabalist's Tome, Polymorph, Ethereal Conjurer, Forgotten Torch, Antonidas, Water Elemental, Firelands Portal, Entomb, Thoughtsteal, Shifting Shade, Museum Curator, Siphon Soul and Jaraxxus. Kazakus and the card that lets them discover at least one of those cards won't be an issue either, I'm sure.

I was completely sure you guys were memeing about Devolve as in "haha wouldn't it be hilarious if Shaman got a broken ass card to follow tradition?"

Then I saw it was true
Literally what the FUCK Blizzard

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>>160858256
yep, they're saving the best for last alright

>>160858256
>devolve malygos
>get ragnaros
Literally unplayable, just like Pint-size Potion and post-nerf Yogg

>>160858256
It's fine because we have the most balanced meta since every other class is equally weak right now.

>>160858640
Bullshit, say that to Paladin.

So glad shamen got another AOE, its not like they have the best and cheapest AOE already.

>>160858691
And Priest.

And Rogue.

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>>160858760
Lmao imagine seeing this post a year ago

Polymorph and Hex are both acceptable forms of single target removal for problematic creatures.

Devolve isn't that.

It's not even totally effective removal. Its primary purpose is to destroy any minion synergy that your opponent sets up.
They're playing a deathrattle/N'Zoth deck? Congratulations, that no longer matters.
They're playing a tribal deck? Not anymore, you're now playing a collection of random creatures.

That's my issue. It's not a removal card, it's a card that destroys whatever theme your opponent intended for their deck and turns it into random trash. That's not fun. That doesn't create cool stories. You might as well be playing Arena rather than constructed because whenever you play against a shaman from now on, you're not allowed to have synergy in your deck because it's just going to get punished by a 2-drop.

>>160850018
That's fake, right?
No way they are moronic enough to actually print that shit?

>>160851276
this has got to change. At least I can see this getting nerfed to "shuffle 3 Jade Golem minions into your deck" with adjusted mana cost to your current Jade Golem ramp

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>>160858256
>Everyone's fucking losing their shit.

Calm the fuck down, if they didn't make cards like this, the Tempostone would be completely dominating. Just wait and see what happens. This card alone won't shut down Priest.

Guys Owl is too strong because silence is too good but shaman could really use the 2 mana mass silence since it's struggling a bit nowadays :)

>>160852226
Fandral needs to be fucking deleted from this game.

>>160859037
This card singlehandedly proves Team 5 have no fucking idea what are they doing. I don't believe they're even playtesting this shit.

Which is only half of the problem. The other half is their reluctance to patch any stupid shit that is the result of their retarded design decisions.

I really want the LoE meta with a bunch of broken decks and everyone starting at 16 hp back.

>>160854603
Blizzard really needs to make the 1000 wins quest repeatable. Like you get 300 for every 1k wins. For most people it takes like 6 months to get 1k wins. Giving them 300 gold every 6 or so months isn't anything huge yet feels nice.

>>160859363
It's ok because it's random :^)

>>160859037
>Polymorph and Hex are both acceptable forms of single target removal for problematic creatures.

No they aren't. They're both undercosted by 2. And Entomb needs to be removed from the game entirely.

>>160859037
This basically means shaman autowins against the three following decks:

N'Zoth
Anyfin
Rez priest

And probably grimy goon decks as well.
Good fucking job Blizzard! Your erotic fantasy of a meta where you only play shaman and freeze mage is that bit closer to being true.

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>you will never live in a world with Jade Idol and un-nerfed Savage FoN

>>160857084
Same here. I want to buy at least one pack. I need my fix.
Fucking hell.
Should I waste 150 gold to play one arena? At least it's not all wasted.

>>160850018
What happens if you devolve a hexed (or other 0 cost) minion?
Would it just reroll into something else the same cost like a wisp, or stay the same?

>>160859784

It rolls back into a 10 mana minion

>>160859784
wisp or tinyfin. It's like evolving Lava Golem, it just turns into Lava Golem

>>160859608
There's nothing wrong with cheap spot removal.

I'd say the problem is that other non-damage removal is too expensive. Make Assassinate 4-mana at the highest, Siphon Soul at 5.

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>Try to make anything other than aggro with Warlock or Hunter
>Absolutely fucking no heals whatsoever.
>Fine, let's use Reno.
>Never pull Reno in time.

Is this how Blizzard encourages that famous Hearthstone variety? By refusing to introduce control into the meta?

>>160859828
What, Molten Giant the fuck am i saying

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You know it's going to happen.

>>160858256
Worst part is that when Evolve was shown, some retarded prophet anon was making his OC around devolve, literally identical to this shit except the art.

Fucking hell Blizzard. If this isn't broken, nothing is. Shaman getting a anti-control card that also fucks up aggro, but only slightly less. On top of that they have cheap AOE and still the nice 1 mana 3/3 weapon.
What the fuck where they thinking?

Fucks up tribe decks, fucks up buffs, fucks up strong minions, fucks up weak minions with synergy, fucks up deathrattle, fucks up ongoing effects, fucks up taunt... fucks up literally everything.

Literally anti-fun - the card.

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>Blizzard literally stole my card for Getaway Kodo
>now they steal my concept for Jade Golem

who do I sue?

>>160859950
I was wondering what the hell a Lava Golem was for a moment there.

>>160859994
I'd actually like that if it wasn't OP as fuck. It's an advanced silence, they'd had to give it crappy stats to compensate

>>160859548
And the RNG isn't even an issue.
People already play the best minions for them in their decks. So anything they get is worse.
Just don't play it if the enemy has a bunch of 9 drops since 8 drops are generally better and there is a big chance of the enemy getting Tirion, Rag 1 and Rag 2. And lets be real, people generally don't run 9 drops except for Malygos.

>>160859515
> The other half is their reluctance to patch any stupid shit that is the result of their retarded design decisions.
Thank them for at least not trying to print "direct counter" cards half year after cancer deck established in meta, and just nerfing/making more broken ones.
Because lil'exorcist and purifier were absolutely ridiculous attempts to stop undertakers in gvg. And they still nerfed it later.

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>2 mana Mass Polymorph

Ben Fucking Brodenburger, everyone.
Let's hire the pizza guy to make our vidya. What could go wrong?

>>160859994
This OC is shit.

First of all it is HORRIBLY understatted. What if, for instance, it devolves a bomb squad into a flame wreathed faceless?! No we need to be fair to our players. Make this a 4 mana 5/5, with the same effect.

Then, the card. This card would never see use in any class that isn't doing poorly because our game is so well balanced, so... I think shamans deserve it more than rogue, paladin, priest and really any other class. So let's make this a shaman class card.

Now the rarity. I doubt this will ever see play in arena because, well, the randomness of its' effect is just TOO random to be consistent. So let's make it a com- no, let's make it a basic card.

Finally... you know what, the problem with master of evolution is that its stat line was jsut TOO weak, as I recall. So... I think if we bump its stats up to a 7/7 and, I guess give it overload 2, I think it would be good.

>>160860168
That would be ridiculously fucking broken
It'd be a weaker hex attached to a body

Tinkmaster used to be like that and it got nerfed because it was absolutely insane.

>>160860097
thats vague as shit, just because you made some semi-related card doesnt mean they stole from your shitty OC. If you still want to sue blizzard hovewer, idd advise you to go to your local gay orgy gangbang for similar experiece

>>160860006
They probably think it's going to be a cornerstone of some wacky, zany control shaman deck.

Here's a hint: It's not.

This card will be used in midrange shaman to wipe out the last traces of resistance or any potential combo that your opponent might try to use. These cards will either replace Hex entirely or they will be used as two extra (and superior) copies of Hex that will turn your opponent's board of minions with synergy and interesting interactions into a pile of worthless garbage.

Oh, and I forgot to mention.

You were planning on playing Miracle Rogue? Not anymore, you aren't.

>>160860097
>stole my concept for jade golem
how?

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I certainly hope you don't mind me playing this card after you play nzoth

>>160860390
>You were planning on playing Miracle Rogue? Not anymore, you aren't.
Don't worry. They butchered Blade Flurry and dragged the crops of it all around town and opened new design space. Rogue will get a good weapon now and be the best class. :^)

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>nerf yogg
>leave rag alone

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It's only a matter of time until they reprint Dr.7 for shits and giggles.

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>>160860535

>>160860390
>these cards will either replace Hex entirely
Everyone in this general neck yourselves already. I literally feel sick when read posts from this place.

>>160860721
devolve

>>160860692

Why do you think they're hiding the shaman legendary?

>5 mana 7/7 totem, summons 2 1/1 totems that randomly damage a random enemy minion overload 1

>>160860390
dumb retard

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Oh what's that? You stealthed VanCleef and your 14 attack auctioneer for lethal next turn? What a total shame, you have a river crocolisk and a booty bay bodyguard now.

So, what decks does Devolve kill?

>Any variant of N'Zoth
All of the deathrattle minions you actually want are transformed into arena trash.
>Anyfin Can Happen
Those murlocs you were hoping to bring back in the future are transformed into arena trash.
>Resurrection Priest
Those value cards you were building your deck around? They're now arena trash.
>Miracle Rogue
What's that, your Auctioneer and 10/10 VanCleef have stealth? Who cares, they're arena trash now.

Any other decks that are made redundant by the mere existence of this card?

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>>160860664
No-one was playing Rag until recently. Imagine it against the new Pally cancer. Or Zoo.

>>160860978
It makes hunter vs shaman extremely lopsided since shaman can safely remove all the sticky deathrattles now.

Honestly this card is a fucking joke
What the fuck

>>160860535
shaman doesn't need it he's already hex'd it and any infested taurens he can lightning storm away

>>160851561
Rockbiter is the worst nerf Team 5 ever did.

>>160860978
also the fact that it can be comboed to make AoE stronger and kills sticky minions.

>>160860978
it's not much but you can fuck Hunter's Kill Command and Beast Druid

>>160860940
Thank you orc jesus of rng.

>>160861176

Rockbiter should cost 1 mana while WIIIIIIIINDS is in play

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I dont get why people think de-evolve is hot shit.

The variance is too high.

Its only use is in removing high threat deathrattles, or trading

Your opponent couldend up with more taunt, or more deathrattles. Or even better minions if you are really unlucky

Midrange shaman already has enough tools to trade in their favour, they dont need or want this.

>>160860309
Eater of Secrets was released right when secret paladin was heading to dumpster because of rotation.

An argument could be made that there needed to be some anti-secret neutral since Kezan Mystic was rotating out as well, but Kezan was typically better against other secret classes while Eater of Secrets was blatantly targeted at secret paladin, a dead deck in standard the moment Old Gods was released.

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>Devolve literally singlehandedly puts Standard midrange shaman on top of the Wild food chain

>>160861225
>The variance is too high.
no it's not most cards are filler trash, that's why it's good

>>160861225
But after the rotation midrange shaman's going to be losing a lot of shit

>>160861225
>Its only use is in removing high threat deathrattles, or trading
that's already strong enough

>>160861206
So it BTFOs one of the deck archetypes that Team 5 has been trying to push for the past five years?
Awesome.

>>160861225
or dealing with stealthed shit you dumbass

>>160861216
WIIIINDS is probably one of my favorite cards. Shame about rockbiter.

>>160860390
They won't replace hex, just like Maelstrom didn't replace Lightning Storm.
Shaman will run both of those just because he can.

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>Shaman gets coin.
>Turn 1 two Troggs.
>Turn 2 portal.
>Turn 3 Flametongue Totem.
>Turn 4 Feral Spirit.
>My class doesn't even have a board clear below 4 mana.

>>160861347

Rockbiter is the only thing that makes WIIIINDS work well enough imo.

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>>160861406
>his has two

>>160861225
>run one of these to tech against deathrattle, murlocs, stealth rogue
one is fucking enough to fuck up a win condition.

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>>160860978
Every tempo deck introduced by Gadgetzan is dead in the water.

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>>160859931
play handlock

>>160861225
It's a tech-card that ruins 80% of the interesting decks in the meta.

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>>160860978

>>160861225
>The variance is too high
But it costs 2 mana.
There are very few situations where this wouldn't be a solid play.
At worst, you can try and deny lethal in a losing game.

Not to mention that high variance was also an argument against Yogg, and well.

but no lets give priests fucking purify for 2 mana

Yeah guys, Devolve will be top tier and run everywhere... just like Evolve!

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They really do hate us don't they?

>>160861740
hearthstone is such a big cash cow
why offer deals when you can just keep jewing us for more money?

>>160861698
cards that effect your enemy are always better than ones that buff yours

a card like this is unprecedented in hearthstone and hasnt existed since OG Illidan

this is a joke right normally we don't get a tech card till all the OP shit rotates out or gets nerfed, now shaman gets a hate card the same time they release goons and lotus?

>>160861698
you're baiting but

evolve transforms your carefully hand picked minions into random minions that cost one more
devolve transforms HIS carefully hand picked minions into random minions that cost one less

it's not hard to see how devolve fucks the opponent much harder than evolve benefits you

>>160861225
>enemy has Tirion and Ragnaros Lightlord
>use devolve
Now here is the part where you step in. Tell me those situations where devolve will fuck you over and they get better minions.
Tip. You can't.

Another example.
>Enemy is shaman and has 5 totems on board and summons a Steakguy
>You use Devolve
What's worse than the existing board?

Example 3.
>Enemy is playing Anyfin paladin
>They have two warleader on board
>You use devolve
What could possibly go wrong?

Example 4.
>Enemy is Miracle Rogue
>played Auctioneer
>next turn played a bunch of spells, summoned a 16/16 Edwin and used Stealth
>You use Devolve
Well, you can guess the question, so answer it.

But that's just examples of the current meta. Lets move on to the future meta.
Enemy paladin is playing the goons deck and spent turns and turns to buff his weak minions. You devolve them.
Gee, I wonder what could be worse than 2 8/8 Argent Squires and a 9/9 lego they got.

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>>160861621
Been playing since Beta, I'd like to make some new fucking decks after all the goddamn cash I spent on this game. Fuck, it's kind of depressing how many cards are completely unplayable because they refuse to slow the meta down.

>>160861740
>game is still free to play

>>160861557
Oh yeah, I just realized.

Devolve completely shafts Grimy Goon decks. It doesn't matter how many buffs it got while it was in your hand, whatever creature you play loses those buffs when it gets devolved.

That's another deck shafted by this card.

>>160861698
Yeah, this.
Devolve is like basically reverse Evolve, only worse because it costs 2 mana.

Enjoy giving your opponent sylvanas, ragnaros, and tirions, shieldbearers.

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It's that time again.

>go to hearthcards
>click Gallery Queue (Beta)
>find something awful
>post it

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>>160861817
this is quite different from classic handlock though, featuring no molten giants and runs faceless shamblers instead

but fine then, play crusher shaman

>>160861905
can't wait to see people running 7 and 9mana creatures lmao

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>>160861819
>>160861740
>>160861778
kek

>>160861805
> They have two warleader on board
Show me retard, that dont instantly kill warleaders with pyro+equality against shaman and priest.

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>>160861740

>no sale on the overpriced skins
>no classic/wotog sale
>not even jewing by putting brm/loe 25% off

>>160851276
Completely counter mill decks with 1 card

>>160861805
>you play against jade deck\
>Devolve is shit

>play against buffhandmans
>win instantly

wow they are moving from coin flipping to rock paper scissors! and people were complaining that hearthstone meta was stale!

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>>160861949

>>160861819
We get one free pack every week, except when we don't.

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>>160861949
lets all make slutty zeriyah cards so they flood the gallery

>>160862112

HS must have the most overpriced skins in consideration for what you get, 10 dollars for a different .jpg, amazing

>>160861787
wait.... does that mean they listened to us about N'Zoth running rampant in WIld?

>>160862112
>no discounted preorder
>no special skin sale

>>160862228
It's funny, because you can actually mod the game on PC to have your own personal skins

>>160862228
you also get 6 different 2 word sound files, and a couple of grunts

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>>160861949
>literally better than sludge belcher, arguably the best taunt in the game's history

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>>160862038
>3 billion dollars spent on candy crush.
>WE GOTTA EAT TOO, YA KNOW!

As if it were our fault if blizz developers are underpaid cucks.

>>160861905
Evolve subjected your minions to random chance and could transform your carefully chosen minions into just about anything.

Devolve does the same to your opponent, except they don't get the chance to build around their opponent playing Devolve - because there's no way to build around it while still having a successful deck. All they can do is try to bait out or play around Devolve while keeping their key minions off of the board and that won't be possible at high ranks.

This card's going to be cancer.

>>160862151
Devolve still isn't shit against Jade. Just not great either.
A 8 mana 8/8 will devolve into a random 7 mana minion which most likely will not have such strong stats. That goes for every cost.
It's not great, but it's by no means shit.

Also Shaman has tools to deal with Jade decks currently. On top of that it is a class that can summons Jade Golems. So you have Jade Golems and fuck up the enemy Jade Golems.

Not as good, but wouldn't call it shit. I just hate it that it works excellent against basically every other deck in the game, including wild.

>>160861698
Evolve get you shitty minions. Yes, they cost 1 more, but they are still shitty, and thats why evolve is not played.
But devolve gives shitty minions too. That also cost 1 less. Thats insane. Even original evolve would be ok to cast on opponents board to fuck up synergies/deathrattles/stealth, and this one is beyond crazy.

>>160862368
she isn't even a developer. She is a community manager. She probably gets overpaid for a job that isn't even that difficult for her.

>>160862561
what does she even do besides "managing" savjz?

>>160862561
Wasnt there a new community manager?

>>160861108
Everyone played ragg before Dr. Boom. Rag only went away because it was never a good turn 8 to play rag into a board with Dr. Boom.

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>>160862561
>community manager
>twitter is private

that is an easy job

its like working as a secretary but never answering the phone

Is there some detail that got left out with Jade Idol?

If not, Druid can now stave off fatigue infinitely while also summoning bigger minions each turn. What the fuck is this?

>>160862715
posing for nudes I guess

>>160861905
You build your deck around evolve, you can't do the same around enemy's devolve.
You put in 0 mana 5/5, 0 mana 4/4, Pantry Spider, Brann, Barens, Arcanosmith (if you're me) and Dopplegangster in your deck. Those minions are weak or can have their mana cost reduced to get value. Then you evolve them and get guaranteed better minions.

You can't do the same with devolve. Lets say I put in those minions in since instead of the enemy turning my 1 3 mana minion into a 2 minion, I get actually 2 3 mana minions, so he turns them into 2 2 mana minions.

Yeah, sounds good on paper. But, what if the enemy just doesn't use devolve when I have those minions? Or what if the enemy isn't Shaman?

You literally can't play around devolve. Impossible to do it. Oh wait, there is counterspell. Wow.

>>160860097
I remember the spirit walker OC, they probably stole the idea from you anon. They lurk

>>160862793
I dont think fatigue is an issue on current druid decks.

>>160861805

1st i had stated as its good point you stupid fuck, no need to saythat again.

2nd point the only real change is to steakguy. If he runs bloodlust, youre fucked regardless. Considering hes relying on totem flood that is likely.

3. Again i stated that, more importantly, anyfin paladin is ameme deck that loses to shaman anyway.

Same applies to miracle rogue.

De-evolve will find a niche use, as a counter to specific decks. If those get seen a lot it will get seen a lot.

Otherwise its just redundant and a trading win more card, just like the buffs.
Why transform into slightly lesser (hex and poly is different since the change is large) when you can just destroy outright.

In arena this cards busted however since trading matters there much more.

>>160850018
This is the first card for shamans revealed. Is this a good or bad omen?

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>>160850018

>LITERALLY TWO FUCKING MANA TO REMOVE STICKY DEATHRATTLES AND RUIN ENEMIES ENTIRE *ENTIRE* TEMPO
>Rogue get's a 2 mana 1/1

COME. ON. HOW MUCH DICK SUCKING DOES SHAMAN NEED.

>>160862872
I'm pretty sure it's just gonna be a tech card, devolve is really anti-tempo since you're not actually answering their board and spend 2pp just to sort of silence it all. It'll be great against nzoth and anyfin but I can't see it being a common inclusion.

>>160862980
bad, because it is yet again another resource for shaman to beat bad match ups

same way maelstrom portal helped shaman vs zoo

>>160862980
They may try to force the "evolve" mechanic seeing as how the jade golems scale in mana cost.

>Shaman will be the first true midrange deck that attempt to counter everything
Feelsgoodman

>>160863057
That 2 mana 1/1 is broken as fuck tho.
j/k

>>160862980
They might try to push evolve shaman meme some more.
>evolve a minion summon 1 jade golem
etc

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>>160850827

Gang-up is a card that enables a whole fun archetype: mill-rogue. If you can't appreciate this...

>>160862762

yes

>>160862715

From what I've picked up, they're basically assistants that help organise itineraries/bookings on the digital athletics side or for promotion and sometimes manage the official forums/social media. That's it. They aren't CMs like in other games that are the branch between devs and community.

>>160863072
But with coin, you can combine it with Lightning Strike on turn 4 and likely wipe out everything on the board. Against Zoo, you can do the same on turn 3 with Portal.

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>>160862980
2 cards have been revealed so far

>>160859715
Thats what I did, and I went 0-3. Fought 2 shamans back to back and got wrecked. Last one my opponent top decked every answer. At least I got a pack and 25 dust.

>>160863057

2 mana 1/1 that will most likely summon a 1/1, it's op

>>160862949
>the only real change is to steakguy
You're a special kind of retarded, aren't you ?

>>160863204
>Whenever a minion is transformed summon a jade golem

>>160863213
Mill is not fun for long and you cannot think that gang up helping mill happened on purpose.

>>160863072
It's a card that also seals the deal against aggro reducing the enemies to be even smaller and get the cleared by your maelstrom portal.
Good against ongoing effects.
Completely shuts down any possibility of Goons decks being good (yeah, fantastic, 1/3rd of the expansion is outright unplayable thanks to this card).
Makes Miracle unplayable.
Fucks with other tribes except dragons since dragons are almost exclusively "if you have a dragon in hand" and not on field effects.

So yeah, "only" anti-tempo. And anti-everything else. But there is still Freeze Mage, so that's good.

>>160863187

All it needs is a stealthed totem that absorbs lethal damage to compete with ice block so that it can't be otkd

>>160863262

Fine then, when I think about it, using those make the shuriken better SI agents. Still though, Devolve is INSANE bullshit, it's breaking the fabrics of my mind that they'd give Shaman MORE bullshit when he's already on top of the complaint list.

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>>160863213
>mill-rogue
>fun archetype

Holy shit, I seriously hope you leave humanity. That entire deck is centered around a single thing: piss people off.

>>160863057
at worst it's a dark peddler with stealth for 2. thats kinda bad, but with at least 1 other jade card it also gives +1/+1, more the more jade cards you play. Also curves directly into raptor and stealth means you WILL get the battlecry

>>160863221
I can't see that as being that much better than just lightning storm+mael portal with the same amount of mana against zoo.

Against something like n'zoth, if you use it as a response to n'zoth you still need to answer a bunch of 4-7 cost followers.

Rather than use it against a full board, I'm thinking it's going to be a 3rd hex to really fuck over single targets like Sylvanas or Cairne or Warleaders.

>>160863368
How is running a deck designed to piss people off not fun?

>>160863368
But thats insanely fun.

>>160850018
So this is the end of Miracle Rogue right? Hard counter to conceal auctioneer. Also means for anyfin/N'Zoth decks woe to you if you try and play more than one deathrattle/murloc at a time.

Also doesn't it preemptively kill any Grimy Goon deck?

>>160850926
>Devolve Sylvanas
>It becomes Bomb Squad, a 2/2

That's Incredible!

>>160862772

Not only its private, but she doesn't accept follow requests

Its even worse, because its like people actively trying to speak to the community manager and she just rubs it off

>>160863320
Priest will become the only one who can challenge shaman as the king.

>>160863368
No, it's about pissing Cucktrol players off.

>>160863368

Mill's win condition is super fun, but make one mistake and you lose.

>>160863528
The mistake is playing mill

>>160862980
Second. Jade Lightning is a shaman card.
>>160863057
How does it ruin the opponent's tempo?

It's a possible inclusion as a mass silence tech card, if that's called for. But this general reaction is unwarranted.

>>160863268
No the difference between 2/2s and 1 costs are so fucking small by that turn that running an actual aoe would have saved you more in trading and damage holy fuck.

It counters specific cards and combos its not some must use in every single scenario card.

>>160863494
is the hearthstone team, the laziest and most condescending blizzard faction?

>>160863359
>>160863320
>>160863407
I'll be laughing for days, when after all that hope, hate and hype devolve will not make it into the competetive decks.
Just like it happened with variann, or troggzor.

>>160863505
Freeze Mage has an excellent matchup against Shaman if I'm not mistaken.
But then again, since Shaman will have no other threats, they will run Eater of Secrets to shut that possibility as well.

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>Drop threat
>For 2 mana he's gone with zero effort on the opponents part

N'Zoth is dead, C'thun is dead...er, Rag dead, Slyvanas dead, Auctioneer dead, the list goes on. For 2 mana shaman can delete anything he pleases with zero effort. I'm baffled.

>>160863401

Peddler still offers better utility but this helps with trading up on 3 and 4

>drop on 2
>trade into a 2 or 3 drop with shurikan leaving 3/3 of stats on board
>trade into a 4 with weapon/lotus

Not the craziest shit out there but it'll be interesting to see it play out

>>160863683
>>160863401
fuck i meant the 1/1 1drop, not dark peddler

Just today, the two most dominant classes in the game have gotten insane tech cards that completely lock down some match ups. Fucking at least five decks just died on the spot in literal hours.
God the incompetence is staggering.

>>160863679
Why is cthun dead? They have hex for that and most Cthun minions are battlecry-
Oh right, Cthun is dead already by now.

>>160863660
I think it might make it into decks but it's not as ridiculous as people are making it sound. Shaman has way better cards than a shitty hex. Granted, hex is amazing so even a shitty hex is playable, but I'm pretty sure it'll just be tech rather than a staple.

Though control shaman might run it as a staple to combo with Elemental Destruction.

>>160863679
>playing against shaman
>have to play around AOE and mass polymorph
>cant play a lot of minions down to contest board

its going to be hilarious how shaman running ONE devolve in their deck can cripple any opponent

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>>160863487
Bomb squad is sexy, so its ok.

>>160863505
Warlock of infinite boardclears probably stands a chance

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so blizzard doesn't like silence effects but prints a mass defuse card for the most broken class in the meta?

>>160863660
Trogg can be easily countered and was in a meta dominated by Dr7. It's not that trogg was bad, it's that there was even more retarded bullshit.
Variann is good on paper, but expensive and depending on how it goes it might be a waste of a card slot. Still best entry music so not a waste.

Devolve doesn't even need to be included. Just the existence alone prevents certain decks from existing.
N'Zoth gets popular? Put a devolve in your deck.
Rez Priest gets popular, on top of hex put in a devolve.
Goons become popular? Put in a devolve in your deck and all their minions lose the buffs.

The existence of the card limits what you can do.

>>160863830

Holy shit those thighs

>>160863487
>spend 6 mana
>opponent spends 2 mana
>lose your board and take 5 damage to face

THATS INCREDIBLE

>>160863579

And they just hide it all behind HAHAHA STORIES man

>>160863573
You do know what Valiant does, right ? Mass polymorph on a board of anything from 2/2s to 8/2s, and removing the steakguy's effect, is a pretty fucking good effect for two fucking mana. And that's not even considering the matchups you just WIN by having one of these in.

>>160863935
Bomb Squad rule34 plz

>>160863662
> they will run Eater of Secrets
You know, deck is not infinite, and i dont think they will make exception even for shaman.

>>160863830

>current year
>still no slutty goblin mage skin

enough is enough brode

>>160863830
Does this card exist literally to counter sylvannas or to fuck you when shaman devolve your 6 drop?

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>post yfw Blizzard reveals a card that gives your jade golems charge

>>160863573
Name a deck that wouldn't be countered by someone playing Devolve against its optimal midgame board.

>stealth auctioneer
>gets turned into bomb squad

shamans really needed the help vs rogue

>>160863993
Just google jinx porn

what exactly is shamans role in this game at this point?

>>160862228

Yes, and the skins were a flop, they only do them as some kind of "promotional" thing

>>160864170

Have a counter to everything and kill everyone

>Shaman spell
>2 mana
>Destroy the enemy minion with the highest mana cost

>>160851276
So this is 100% fake right? I mean rogue doesn't use Choose One. Is it a druid card? I call BS

>>160864170
rather than blizzard allowing hunter, paladin and warlock to fill the role of aggresive decks, shaman now does it better than all of them

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QUICK

Name a single control deck that can win against a Shaman with Devolve or a Druid with a Jade Idol.

>>160864170

Irritation

>>160864170
God almighty, ruler of all, existence above any other. Eater of souls, keeper of legends, embodiment of perfection.
Pick anything. Pick everything.

>>160864301
early monkey

>>160864170
>be one of the shittiest classes for ages
>slowly start getting buffs
>end up as literally the best no contest
>hold the throne
>eventually will get fucked and falls down again
hitler and germany pre ww2