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/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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>Participate in the current /smtg/ sings:
http://collabedit.com/uvwta
http://pastebin.com/dKLqugTC

>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/sBJjhw7f

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/NqLRYf5n

>OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU

>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/pgEWmYfH

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

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>>160413608
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First for Doggo or First for Doki?

This is for alignment points.
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What are the chances of the various MegaTen cell phone games ever being in a playable form again? Is anyone out there trying to find a way to get them off the phones they're on and making an emulator or something? Could someone maybe get in touch with ATLUS?

Maybe it's just because they're so obscure and hard to find but I really want to play them somehow. Videos aren't enough for me.
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>>160769051
I think it's highly improbable.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
vote for best mainline game here
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Anyone have the cap of Power calling Asahi calling her a tarted up clown?
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Asahi a shit.
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>>160773679
watch your mouth
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>don't get the venomous raga jokes
>get hit with it
>two demons in party have Me Patra, one posumdi, more demons in stock with me patra, Asahi is main partner
>didn't even die once

What was the joke again?

>>160769621
>SMT II
>not the best
Ok then, enjoy your le edgy demifiend.
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>>160769051
i swear to god if something like this doesn't happen im learning programming and making a 3D engine that emulates the PS1 SMT remakes
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>>160774316
Nocturne is probably the worst mainline game
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>>160774497
>IV is probably the worst mainline game
Fixed.
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>>160774316
Nocturne has the best combination of gameplay, atmosphere and originality.
It lacks in story but greatly makes up for it by its narrative.
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>>160774497
that's because it isn't one

don't get me wrong, it's a good game, but it's so radically different that i don't know why it's considered mainline at all
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>>160774497
This is a man with objectively bad taste.
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>>160774637
>being literally wrong
It's literally a mainline game, and being completely different from 1/2 changes nothing about that.
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>>160774497
It's not the worst music is ass though but it's not very fun looking.

>>160774565
Give them props for being the first Megaten game with Press Turns, but the atmosphere was better in SMTII and I, and originality is only there if you believe 3D is original.

I honestly take first person dungeon crawling over watching some wanker waddle in circles until they run into an XP pinata.
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>>160774970
>music is ass though
>that level up theme doesn't hype him up
maybe you're an idiot
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Answer to anon's question about Navarre's message on Massacre route >>160754528

>Subject: I believe in you

>If you're reading this, then you've already come to a decision regarding Dagda's offer. I don't know what you'll choose, but I can't shake this feeling your heart doesn't want the same thing.

>I've watched you all this time, and I can see that you're not quite like the others. I suspect you do not see us in your future. But while I still have your ear, let me impart one last bit of elderly wisdom...

>Regardless of what you choose, regret nothing. You don't want to wind up like me!
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>>160775165
>one level up jingle makes the entire OST good
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>>160774461

Do you mean "emulate" as in using a PS1 emulator to play the PS1 SMT remakes or emulate the style of the PS1 remakes and them remake the cell phone games within that engine?
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>>160774497
Yes. I too enjoy being a contrarian.
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>>160775274
the latter

maybe in my dreams it'll happen
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>>160774637

Is Persona 3 not a Persona game because it's so different from the first three?
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>>160775393

Now that I think about it, I wonder if someone could get a hold of some of those games, go through them meticulously, and remake them in RPG Maker. Not sure how much work it would take to recreate all the mechanics and things but it's probably the most simple way. Sadly, certain ones would be impossible like Aigis: First Mission or whatever it's called since that's not even an RPG.
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>>160774695
>objectively
I don't think you understand what that word means. I don't hate Nocturne, but I like it a lot less than any of the other mainline games.

MTII is better than all of them.
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>>160775686
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>>160776343
Don't you have your own general for posts like that?
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Would ATLUS even have the rights to distribute those cell phone games in some sort of repackaged bundle if they wanted to or would BBMF have some say in it? I'd sure as hell try to buy it if they released them for iOS and Android.
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>>160775686
MTII genuinely is fucking good desu
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>>160777181
Amen, hombre.
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>no jew casting macca beam
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How are the psplus ports of SMT games?
I have a ps2,but ps plus got cheap prices.
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>>160777283
https://youtu.be/ZldqMLg9kkM?t=1316
also has the best hell overworld theme
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>>160777614
The whole Famicom soundtrack is truly god-tier. I listen to it pretty frequently.
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What is stopping me from becoming a GOD?
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>>160777486

The only PSN version of a MegaTen game I've played is Persona 3 FES but I don't remember having any issues with it. I've heard the Digital Devil Saga games have framerate and audio sync issues and I think Nocturne has issues with performance as well. I've not heard anything about Persona 4 or Raidou. Last I checked, you can get brand new copies of the PS2 games off Amazon for relatively cheap. They are reprints though so they have shittier quality cases than the original nice PS2 ones but they're official and it's still nice to own them physically I'd say.

>>160777614

>This video contains content from Victor Entertainment, Inc.. It is not available in your country.

?????

Got another link?
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>>160777486
They're totally playable unless you're European. At the current prices, there's no reason not to grab them.
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>>160767868
I love SJ lads
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>>160780142
>>160780207
>>160780270
>>160780336
>>160780428
It's the best
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>>160780594
I hate Tao Tie.
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>>160768014
Doki Toki of course
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>>160781571
With his faggot ass null phys
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>>160779863
https://youtu.be/oGEzqWGp2WA?t=1935
does this one work?
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>>160775213
Thanks for responding may yhvh bless you
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>>160782634

>This video contains content from Victor Entertainment, Inc.. It is not available in your country.

WHO THE FUCK IS VICTOR ENTERTAINMENT?
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>>160783116
according to the vgmdb they own the rights to the megaten 1 and 2 OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdmPCh5eDc
if this doesn't work then fuck me
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>>160783256
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>>160783256

Sadly not. I'll have to go get a lending link somewhere. Thanks for trying though.
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>earthquake and flooding in Japan
Where were you when Basillca is happening?
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>>160783116
The guys who produced Excel Saga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b69Hyo31sI
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>>160783716
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>>160783716

Why is that girl dying? Will she be okay?
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Time for the Millenium Kingdom.
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>>160782062
I just hate everything about him. What a piece of shit.
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>go to gamestop
>ask for SMT4A
>other employee grabs a roll and pops up behind me
>Hoy, you want a free poster
>turn around
>Promo poster

GS employees are fucking bro tier.

>>160783993
>lawfags
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>>160784031
>>160782062
I appreciate him and Abbadon for it
I'll never be so quick to try auto-ing through battles after meeting those faggots in the Kalpas.

At least Abbadon learns some cool skills though. Tao Tie is shit in every game from SMT 1 to Strange Journey at least. My 3 DS will get here soon, and I'm not eager to find out if he hasn't been fixed up by Apocalypse.
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>>160783915
She dies every episode.
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>>160784160
Law theme is too good to pass up
Enjoy bumping uglies with Louie, faggot.
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>Flynn and Isabeau BOTH saves our asses from being obliterated by the wrath of god

>Asashit: " HURR THANKS ISABEAU XDDD"

How can someone actually tolerate her

waifufags are delusional for enjoying anything about her
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>>160783716
>coughing up blood in the OP
>dancing nude in public

The fuck is this shit
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>another tsunami has hit the Filth of Japan
Thank you based Merkabah
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>>160785237
Blessed.
>>160784160
>he doesn't know
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/
THREE METRE
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>>160785652
They are going to build the firmament and YHVH is going to pay for it.
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>>160785715
>reading this post after having played apocalypse
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>>160784841
Why does she idolize Isabeau so much? She is completely useless and was a indecisive idiot until Flynn went the neutral route.
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Just finished drawing this and also fixed that Toki pic I drew last thread since the anatomy was fucked.
http://imgur.com/a/2XYOK
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>>160787825
This one is my favorite so far to be quite sincere.
http://i.imgur.com/hNeWMoG.jpg
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>>160788318
Thanks, I'm just trying different things on each pic to see what works best.
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>>160787825
The shading on her skin is amazing
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Why an irish god anyway
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Does any one have the video file of P5 SpoilerGoro shooting the protagonist
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>>160786525
she sees a strong independent woman and wants to emulate it

I just like her because Akira's sister could've been a really good plot line if the game wasn't a total fuckup written by Personafags
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>>160791129
Which god do you think of when 'Irish gods' are brought up?

Probably Lugh, Scathach, or Chu Chu, right?

Dagda gets no shutouts in modern pop culture, so this is ATLUS' way of getting Hipster cred
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>>160793514
Dagda wants to be wind, so having him being an important character in a new game to make him more relevant is a way for YHVH to keep his dominance in this dimension.
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>>160774637

The plot follows from SMT2, and the games that come after reference the events of Nocturne so
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Why wont Atlus do a 3DS remake for Strange Journey? All the other DS SMT games and even Soul Hackers got one.
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Can you guys give me some ideas for smt crossover drawings? Currently doing a love live smt crossover
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>>160798840
Strange Journey x Metroid
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>>160798840
Granblue Fantasy? Spess Muhrine summoning Dark Jeanne via fusion error?
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>>160798840
Terra Branford and Hallelujah being half-breed besties!
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>>160798840
Drakengard
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>>160799737
this, give a jack frost caim
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So how often do you try to complete all the endings?

Personally, I try to see them all because I'm a sucker for different scenes/dialogue.
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>>160785012
Step back into the far behind year of 2001 my laddie
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>>160791129
Irish gods got fugged by Christfags
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>>160797545
Theyre going to remake all mainline games for the PS5.
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>>160798840
Fate
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ATLUS are going to make a world where PERSONA 4 lasts forever.
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>>160801142
Thanks for reminding me of that disappointment.
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>>160798840
demonbane
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>tfw neutral smt4 ending
I wish I grew up with this series instead of FF. All I want to do know is play more SMTs.
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>>160803384
Try Strange Journey for that neutral route. Shit was motivating as fuck.
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>>160803817
SJ looks right up my alley with its weird science them buuuuut I've got this big ass backlog of other SMT games I bought over the PSN sale.
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I was attacked by beetles and spiders today so I wasted an hour dealing with that, but I'm still up and at it


why are you looking so flustered nozomi?
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How can I go back to SMT2 after playing SJ?

At least I got SMT1 out of the way first
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>>160810676
>Dat armpit
Finally a real connoiseur
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>>160811042
Those are not hairs, you sick shit.
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>>160811042
she's still wearing the hoodie, my bad
I'll be sure to draw her uncovered armpits in future drawings though
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>>160811281
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>>160811365
I barely managed to notice it was a hoodie, I also tried placing the hat on her head but it'd extend the image upwards and I just felt it'd be a fun place if I put it on her knee.
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>>160811556
>I just felt it'd be a fun place if I put it on her knee.
Good grief, are you trying to kill me?
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>>160797545
Mainline games don't get remakes
If they did, then SMT I and II would be ahead of SJ anyways
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>>160779024
Gravity.
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>>160813809
this but with jackfrosts instead of birds would be really cute
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>Get a gift from a demon
>"Don't let Dagda find out"
>Talk to a demon
>"Dagda's with you? Maybe I should join you"

Why is everyone so afraid of Dagda?
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I finally made it to Record Scratch's universe.
I did not expect that this place is so big.
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>doing well on mara
>Charmed
>Diaharan mara for 14k

sixty niggers
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How high does your level have to be to win Zhong Gui's duel?
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>a billion fucking races instead of 20 or so arcanas
>even more convoluted fusion formulas
SMT is the worst pokemon game.
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>>160799151
This a quadrillion times, oh my god.
Doomguy vs Ridley or Kraid, or Samus vs Ouroboros?
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>page 10
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>>160824187
Looks like the dust has settled and we're back to the good old slow /smtg/. Naisu naisu.
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Oblivion
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>>160824245
Here you go.
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>>160824763
Give me tokis
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>>160825517
I refuse.
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One last bump before I go to bed. Try to let the thread die, nerds.
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>>160793227
>because Akira's sister could've been a really good plot line if the game wasn't a total fuckup written by Personafags
If anything this is just another reason to hate her.
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Did anyone here grow up with SMT? Seems like every fan discovers it in their adulthood.
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>>160830197
I found out about Nocturne when I was a teenager obsessed with black metal and Elfen Lied and loved it but didn't get into other Megaten games until I was 17/18. I love that game.
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Good night, /pg/.
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It's so silent in here.
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>>160798840
Persona 5 x Castlevania
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good morning /smtg/. I hope you have exciting thanksgiving plans/
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>>160793227
Oh god, I want to drop loads in her after telling her she's my sister and her getting embarrassed during.
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>>160816669
Because he is overpowered as hell? He can resurrect everyone in the egg at once. He can also turn them into brainwashed slaves of his. Why he even bothered pretending it wasn't his power helping you beat yhvh, but your "muh individuality" is beyond me.
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>>160836805
I plan on sitting at home, shitposting here on /smtg/, eating pumpkin pie.

Is that exciting enough for you?
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>>160830197
It didn't even exist in the west until nocturne. So for anyone not super young that makes it near impossible to have found when young. Its obscure even now. Imagine before it was anything more in the west than just nocturne, raidou and dds.
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>>160837354
That sounds awesome, friend. I wasn't trying to imply that 'excitement' is some kind of narrowly defined experience.
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>>160837254
I think Dagda was a lot weaker at the beginning than he was at a the endgame of Apocalypse. Since it gets out to the hunters that Demifiend 2.0 got his power from Dagda, you'd imagine a lot more people would start believing in him. Sort of like Aradia in Nocturne.
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>>160837254
I don't think Dagda can actually brainwash people. The Divine Powers already did something to Flynn to turn him into obedient godslayer. Dagda simply brought him back to life in that brainwashed state already. Your goddesses form is manifested from your memory, so it's possible they act so obedient because Nanashi observed them into existence like that. Which would make that even more disturbing...
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>>160837921
I don't think that most of the games actually imply that its meant to be that literal and fast. People believe in chaos demons too, but they still have to eat humans, since nobody is praying to them. Or not enough people, at any rate. Believing they exist is not always enough, and demons have ways of getting magnetite without belief.
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>>160838371
Then why was flynn obedient to you, and not anyone else you came in contact with?
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>>160838503
Who knows. But you can reverse that, why didn't Dagda just brainwash more people if he can do it to anyone at any time? He clearly doesn't consider using Flynn and your goddess in a battle as relying on others by his standards.
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>>160820142
Not even bait can revive this general.
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Just started that Devil Survivor OC
>Aggravate from Kobold during first Wendigo encounter
>target Yuzu, Yuzu, Yuzu, and finally Yuzu
>L + R + Start
Gonna be one of those games I see
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>>160838817
Who knows? Why didn't he resurrect all your friends? He obviously could resurrect them in a way useful to you. The real answer is probably just that it would make massacre too dark.
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>>160839570
we've evolved beyond the need for bait
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>>160839680
It'll get better as you learn more skills.
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>>160838817
>He clearly doesn't consider using Flynn and your goddess in a battle as relying on others by his standards.
Because at that point they aren't people to be relied upon. Just tools.
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>>160838425

There are explanations for how it works generally speaking. Human brain produces magnetite which demons can consume through eating brains among other methods.
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>>160840390

Spoilers: both routes are hypocritical. IV and IVA are about hypocrisy
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Wait guys

Do I really have to beat Devil Survivor 6 times or whatever for each ending? After I beat it once is there a SKIP like in VNs?
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Somewhere in the forgotten part of multiverse, an Akira meet is happening.

>"I became a half-demon and ruled over entire city"
>"And I built an entire kingdom and was revered for 1500 years"
>"And I became god of universe."

>"...I... ...I became a ruler of swarthy hobo village..."
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>>160843542
Yup. One of the endings has a major choice, and you can start it over after you finish it, but you'll need to play through the entire game for each unique end.
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>>160844404
Jesus christ

This might be a youtube game after the first playthrough
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTokmtv6T8
why am I so hard
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>>160843887
The people of Blasted Tokyo... had a hard life.
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Law in Strange Journey is pretty much Shijima on steroids using Zelenin song to force humanity reach nirvana was great. Mastema is truly the superior angel.
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>>160846719
I wonder who could be behind this post.
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>>160839687
Your megami it's just like the new Dagda on the bonds route they are new beings made up from your memories before the betrayal.
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>>160846828
it me
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>>160846719
It was a truly beautiful outcome
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>>160768014
Hallelujah.
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>/vp/ thinks this is equivalent to matador
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>>160847903
fag
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>>160848240
I choose Meganmi who will boost the power of our superhuman kids.

Also Ichose based on who is the most fertile. All fanart tells me that's Hal.
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>>160847968
Mantador?
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>>160848623
t. Isabeau
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>>160848778
Relies on gauntlet to cast spells. Same for Flynn. Kids don't need gauntlets like my Godslayer and the cute monkey.
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>>160847968
Why? I OHKOd it.
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>>160847580

If they don't say this explicitly I see no reason to assume it
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>>160849563
Dagda says it right before he 'resurrect' your megami
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Who did the music for SMT 1 and 2?
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>>160848623
>Also I chose based on who is the most fertile.
Shouldn't it be Slut(Toki) then?
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>>160851067
>Slut(Toki)
delet
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>>160847968
only hard part of the so far, shit game

Regret buying it. Want to play KMT1 and Revelations demon slayer instead but I dont want to wast 40$
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>>160850584
Tsukasa Masuko And Masaki Kurokawa
Shoji Meguro and Kenichi Tsuchiya did Nocturne and SJ
Ryota Koduka Took over for IV and Apocalypse
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>>160851207
return it fag
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>>160851207
That bad? I was on the fence, but I feel weird not buying a pokemon game. At any rate, play KMT and enjoy some of the best games in the franchise.
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>>160851347
Cant return new games to gamestop

>>160851414
So was I, I ended up getting it becuase I thought it would be fun to play with friends but dam theres so many things wrong with this game.


>pros
New pokemon are cool
catching new pokemon is fun always

>cons
Exploration is shit
WAAAAAY to easy
Rival is shit
Lack of Pokemon diversity (3 fire pokemon only?)
WAAAAAAY to many cutscenes
Gyms are gone and replaced with boring trials
Trials are boring as fuck
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>>160851672
>Cant return new games to gamestop
>buying from gamestop
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>Side with Merkabah

Yes

No
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>>160851672
Damn, I had heard that the dialogue and cutscenes were egregious. Maybe it's time to drift away from Pokemon... SMT has been scratching that itch for me for a couple years now anyway.
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>>160851823
IV?
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>>160851823
No.
Regardless whether it's IV or IVA, going with Merkaduh gives you nothing.
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>>160851723
I forgot about this. Never again

>>160852284
Yea likewise done with pokemon after this and X and Y.
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>you can savescum the demon auction for high star demons

Just like rerolling for skills during fusion, kill me
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>>160852496
Does it matter?

>>160852603
You get to go to Heaven. You get to literally live in paradise for all eternity.
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>>160853785
>buying high leveled demons in auctions
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>>160853898

Ehh... SMT doesn't really do christian heaven/hell.
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>>160851672
Real Rival is Gladion. Haus just the guy listing for Glads sis.
Gyms were shit so nothing changed
Team Skull is at least the best team for being true to all organized crime/cults beaten by 10-15 year olds: a bumch of losers.
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>>160853996
He says you do
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>>160853996
Agreed, SMT is much more firmly routed in the Jewish Bible and teachings. The lore doesn't really stray past the 'Old Testament' too much.
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>>160854219
gym puzzles and trainers beat fighting random encounters
totems are only cool/challenging if you deliberately play badly and face them without type coverage, can easily cheese all of them by never killing the first summon
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>>160853898
Heaven doesn't exist except in Desu, Devil Children, abd Majin Tensei.

You die, go to the Axiom, reincarnate unless YHVH hates you then he'll try to inflict endless suffering.
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>>160853962
why wouldn't you?

i mean I guess you can just grind in free battles to level them up but you can also do that to get macca back
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>>160854440
Merkabah literally tells you that you are going to Heaven when you side with him in SMTIV:A.

Maybe he's going to take you there with his Holy powers or something?
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>>160854224
he lies

just like he lied to the Flynn of the past when he nuked everything and left the humans to live in their own shit for a decade
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>>160853898
Not more than you do in White ending, but you don't get to send everyone to Heaven.
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>>160854546
He lies. Law Angels are even bigger liars than the prince of lies.
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>>160853898
>be a good goyim
>obliterate Tokyo
>Merkhy goes full jihad and decides that both of us must go down too
>die
>respawn with Charon and have to wait hundreds of years only to be reincarnated in a demon infested Neo-Mikado thanks to the demonic gene
>mfw
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>>160854598
>he lies
Eh we don't know that. I mean sure humans go to the axiom when they die and reincarnate but there are cases when their souls got intercepted instead.

Dagda for example did this very thing at the beginning of the game. Who's to say Merkabah can't?

We don't really know what exactly they are capable of. I mean Lucifer just waves his hand at you and breaks your contract with Dagda while making you a demon.
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>>160854546
The Dragon will reveal [Record Scratch] literally views everyone as slaves. He wouldn't make a paradise for slaves.
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>>160854932
Why would he lie? He's dying too.

>>160854954
Nah. Merk takes you to Heaven. You spend the rest of eternity chilling in Paradise with Jonathan and Isabeau. Isabeau's kind of mad at you but forgives you after a few decades.
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>>160855225
>[Record Scratch] literally views everyone as slaves
Don't get this meme. God literally does nothing to interfere with people's lives.

Also that Dragon was a cunt.

Also also Krishna should have actually helped people beat Lucifer if he really wanted to save people.
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>>160855076
Nanashi is unique according to IVAs artbook. Dagda can't force him to
Do anythimg Against his will till resirecctiom. Everyone else are barely conscious specters. And Merkabah already lied to the people of Tokyo who sided with him yet you think he doesn't lie?
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>>160834562
IS this an actual hack?
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>>160855439
>Calling Satan a cunt
How dare you! I now know this is what all delusional Lawdrones are all like.
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>>160855574
I'm just saying Dagda can stop people from going into the Axiom like he did with Flynn and your friends.

Merkabah lied to defeat Flynn and Lucifer. With the threat gone he had no reason to lie. He could have just called you a sucker and pressed the remote himself. Instead he gives it to you.
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>>160855781
No, it isn't.
Yes, it definitely should be.
No, 4chan projects always die a painful and prolonged death.
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>>160855439
YHVH mass produces angels and demons to fuck over people.
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>>160855819
>Calling Satan a cunt
Erm what? I called Shesha a cunt. Satan is pretty cool. I love him design and Megiddo Ark.
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>>160856003
Aren't angels and demons just personification of human desire? Where does YHVH come into play?
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>>160855882
The souls weren't going to the Axiom because they were in Sheshas belly. Which due ro the Axioms Law can become a new universe.
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>>160855285
Because demons (this includes Merk) don't go through the same dying process as humans.

Demons go back to being an abstract concept and simply respawn once someone starts to believe in them.
When humans die, they go with Charon and awate reincarnation. There's no way to escape this process unless you become a demon.
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>>160856134
Angels learned of desire from humans, and became corrupted. According to God's word.
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>>160854450
Or you can buy a bunch of low leveled demons for cheap and fuse them all to make high leveled demons.

In the end this is cheaper and the resulting demons are stronger and know more skills.
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>>160854224

Everything we see about how human souls work in the SMTverse runs fairly counter to the notion of paradise being eternal unless one also becomes inhuman, like metatron or most law heroes
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>>160856147
Yes that is correct but Dagda also captures your friend's souls before they go to the egg/the axiom so we know some Gods can manipulate souls at least.
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>>160856185
>>160856504
Maybe you become like angels and join God's army.
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>>160856272
YHVH was a demon born from the desire for worship. He made Lucifer and Fallen Angels to deceive the people.

>>160856038
Shesha did not say that. It was Satan. So you called Satan a cunt you Lawdrone.
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>>160856817
Then I was misled. Anyway I don't get why people rebel against God. He is a pretty cool dude. He takes you to Heaven in Nocturne. Takes you to Heaven in SMTIV, SMTIV:A. Makes you his messiah in DeSu and is all around cool.

Not like that guy Lucifer who kills you in Nocturne because you did everything he wanted.
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>>160856515
They weren't leaving. He gathered them to be the personal components. Otherwise they'd just float inside the egg. If they would have vanished someone would have said that, but it's never stated. Dagda can release the souls and revive them from the egg.
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>>160856623
It could be a possibility like it happened to personalities like Jean D'arc and Cleopatra, because ironically, the people of Mikado end up worshiping Flynn. But there's no real way of being certain if it will happen.
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>>160857168
Gee. I wonder who's behind this post.
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why is Apocalypse's writing so bad?
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>>160857521
>Mastema was a Bondsfag all along in IV with Akira just like Aeshmodeus and Minotaur.
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>>160856817
Are you talking game-specific lore, or like actual Biblical lore?
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>>160857168
Go away Mastema
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>>160851672
>rival is shit
Now you listen here.

I really liked the story so far, both villains are great. Totem battles are a neat concept, even though I breezed through every one except Mimikyu. Lusamime freezing all those Pokémon alive creeped me the Fuck out. Surprised she didn't have a Froslass.
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>>160857816
He murdered billions because a few worshipped Lucifer for not being a huge dick like Him.
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>>160857947
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>>160858267
I don't know what we're talking about any more, but If you're talking about the filth purged in the great flood, those heathens were worshipping far worse than Lucifer.
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>>160857627
He's right. YHVH tries to come off as Dindu nuffin by making Avatars/Angels/Followers murder in his stead. Satan called that bullshit out in II even though he pressed the button for YHVH on Law.
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>>160857521
>>160857947
God loves you guys. Just give him a chance. What's the worst that could happen?
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>>160858614
MTII he did the nukes and had Satan try to kill everybody because people liked Lucifer for not being a huge dick.
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>>160858763
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>>160854598
>>160854546
Angels aren't exactly the most sane creatures. For all we know, dying in service of YHVH might be their idea of heaven.
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>>160859064
I-uh maybe they didn't pray enough.
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Why this
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>>160858614
Satan never mentions the followers in 4A, which is the problem
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>>160859662
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>>160860717
Because the Followers die like scrubs in IV. Only Messiahs matter.

And He does have Hugo activate the Demonic Gene and turn all his followers into demons in Mikado, so he probably doesn't even see them as human to begin with.
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>>160861007
LAAAAUUURRAAAAAA
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>>160861097
That was just Hugo's delusion. YHVH didn't do nothing.
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>>160857627
Why Satan don't have tits? This new design is an insult.
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>>160862745
Why would Satan have tits? That's just silly. I like the new design.
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>>160862881
fallen angels and gender ambiguity
or just someone who read too much berserk and saw the god hand scene where corcus hugs that demon
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>>160825550
Why the fuck was Flynn smirking so much in this scene? Seemed a little out of place for him to suddenly get so damn smug
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>>160863698
Because it wasn't Flynn
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>>160862881
Kaneko's design of Satan is a tit monster.
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>boss has two skills to skill crack
>can only steal one

I hope the other shows up later otherwise this sucks
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>tfw not even figure companies care about mainline
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>>160867607
Will there ever come a day when SMT > Persona is true again?
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>>160867607
>that feel when no dagda statue
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>>160868296
>tfw no Toki onahole
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>>160868941
Filth.

This is why Law is needed.
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>>160779024
yo where did you get that green utility suit?
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>Reading Deep Silver's twitter, Final coming out next week for me
>All that DLC
It all looks to be pointless shit but sheesh.
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>>160869438
>tfw no Jonathan dakimakura
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Why are the P5 main cast personas's designs so awful?
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>>160874229
I can't think of a persona by Soejima that I actually like the design of desu.
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>>160874229
Soejima = hack
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>>160874229
I like Satanael
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>>160767868
>you will never crush a rock with your bare hands for the first time ever again

fml
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>>160857683
Mastema was too smart to be Bond. He would've gotten rid of Danu and took her place as representative
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>can't use fundraise on the divine powers
That's no fun
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>>160874229
you seriously didn't like Arsene?
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>>160879236
>>160874229
Arsene is a neat design
But I don't doubt that it may seem over designed
I actually like this simplified look more than the official art
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>shesha looks like the traditional representation of the demiurge
really makes you ponder
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this is how smtg ends?...
it was... just a feeble dream
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>>160883175
>*poos in street*
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>>160883175
Though it is degenerate...it is still worksafe...
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>>160883175
smtg is just hibernating in the diamond realm.
it'll surely come back.
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>>160883341
Oh, something's diamond I can assure you
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>>160880774
But that one doesn't have a Spurdo head... so it's non-canon.
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Why can't I choose Mekabah as my Megami?
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>>160883480
>Not Lucy
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>>160883480
Because Merkabah is a tranny
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>its another mindbreaking flynn episode
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>>160883591
Lucy's seen better days desu
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>>160883671
I wouldn't mind this if Nanashi wasn't like 14
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>>160883782
JK lucy was alright, he's trying to be more discreet I suppose
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>>160883782
I hate tranny lucifer
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>>160884089
i hate your tranny dad
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Was going to buy Shiva from the compendium so I could get his skills, but then I realized he's level 99.

Can he still whisper skills to me, or am I fucked?
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>>160884089
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>>160884146
>>160884201
found the shemale lovers
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>>160884151
does he still have the question marks? then yes
>>160884325
>being on /smtg/
>not liking cocks
you are doing it wrong son
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>>160884151
If they're maxed out, every time they're re-pulled out or acquired, you'll get the whisper flag. You can do this with the DLC demon store too.
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>>160884151
Level Cap DLC, he'll whisper at 100.
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>>160883341
This is going to be posted on your tumblr when it's finished right? either way, keep up the good work. Im thinking of doing some demon husbando or male demon/human female lewds but poses and agehaos are hard
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>>160884363
Degenerate.
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>>160876807
The Divine Powers are too devoted to the cause to accept money, except Inanna who hates you for trying to be a greedy jew.
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>>160884919
yes, all versions and one little small sprite extra thing that I wanna do once its ready to go. was planning on finishing it today but I'm having some tendinitis pain so I gotta chill for the day and hope its not as bad tomorrow.
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>>160887704
Sucks about the tendinitis. I always gotta do arm and wrist stretches to avoid that and carpal tunnel when drawing for 2-3+ hours straight. (doesnt help that I have a bad habit of having a deathgrip on my pens) but rest is always needed to give your hands a break.
plus when you come back a day or so later, you get to see some goof ups and correct them. Unless its on paper then youre fucked unless you have a mirror
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>>160883315
why did he take this form again
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>>160889761
Because the fetus reactor wasn't available for installation yet.
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>will never kill *record scratches* for Lucifer with Lilith by my side
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>>160847968
Ironically I dropped SM to start Nocturne and now Matador is giving me shit.
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>>160892341
>Matador is giving me shit.
how is this possible, why is people so bad at this game?
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>>160892443
I wasn't using the null force magatama because I'd never fought Matador before. Also he just dodges everything so I need to find something with Dekaja.
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what else do i need to kill gods
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>>160893415
A chinkphone with an arm case
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believe it or not, keep an eye on agtp next week, there's a surprise coming up
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>>160892579
>Dekaja
He's going to buff himself every turn, always.
Use Sukunda two times instead.
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>>160894505
>agtp
>Aeon Genesis Translation Proclamation

SMT if... confirmed for 81% done!
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>>160895115
Duly noted. Appreciate the tip.
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Is Tomoko /our/ girl?
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>>160897942
Probably.
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>>160897942
>Emulator/PC game
She is NOT our girl.
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>>160839570
That wasn't a bait tho.
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SMT IV needs a musical adaptation.
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>>160798840
Fallout
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>>160883623
>SJWs can become Law demons even though they are merely evil neutrals like Jack's Squad
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How the fuck do I beat YHVH 2nd form? I keep being on the defensive and every time I use buffs and get charged for an attack the faggot uses divine harmony.
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>>160906525
DELET
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>>160909375
Get Magaon, Dekaja/kunda, Debilitate and use Godslayer's Sword.

Bring demons with Endure/Enduring Soul as well.
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>>160909575
What's the easiest way to get debilitate? The best I have to use is war cry.
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>>160909375
Hit him until he dies.
Seriously, don't focus too much buffs

Also Satan can fuck him up pretty hard with concentrated Megido Ark.
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>>160909626
Chi You, Kartikeya, and Inanna are good ways to get it.

Chi You is probably the cheapest and easiest way.
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>>160909626
Get Kartikeya via fusion.

He comes with Debilitate, no need to level up.
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>Fuse Red Rider
>"Kill each other, human. For i am death"

I like this fiend.
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the protagonist fell...
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>>160898559
>Tomoko is the sister of Hacker in Devil Summoner Soul Hackers
>Tomoko is playing Devil Summoner
Nice double reference
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Kazuya's gun blazed!
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>>160909375
Ignore buffs and go all out. I lost my first battle by wasting turns on lustre candy, but the second time when I just kept everyone at full health and went all out offensive I kicked his ass. Use dekaja stones on him to take his buffs down, I had like 50 just sitting in my inventory.
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>>160909375

I brought a shiva with fang breaker and used it pretty much every turn. Debuffing his other shit is nice and all and its pretty great when he outright misses but the most important thing is living and letting flynn get those weakness creating hits in. Make sure you can always clear his super buff and smirk whichever group you're controlling. That neans save MP on flynn's group for magaon, debilitate is not fucking worth it.
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>>160856134
Humans aren't the only ones who can create new demons. Sure, only humans have muh observation and can produce magnetite. But remember that in II the angels themselves created a new yhvh. Likewise, yhvh can probably use his spare magnetite to create angels. Note that there are times in game where demons do shit like changing form without human permission. Or yhvh does it to them.
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>>160859064
>get tons of cool free tattooed.
>live a happy life of peace and hope even in a scorched desert.
>get sad for two minutes at the end of your life because you have to die to create eternal peace.

What's the problem?
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>>160863631
>>160864105
>fallen angels and gender ambiguity

Its more than that. Satan's head isn't just a reference to alien. Alien was referencing the earlier works of H. R. Giger. And yes, the head is meant to be a penis. What it represents is the fact that beneath the order we instill on things, we come from animals, and parts of us are simply a cold cruel machine like drive compelling us to make our genes survive.

What it means for satan to look like this is pretty straightforward. There's the implication that that is a dark facet of reality in general. And that order is needed to protect people from this animalistic side, by maintaining the precarious rational side. Satan represents corruption. If you face him it means you are rejecting the necessary protection from this corruption and are being given over to it, and coming face to face with your own animalistic horrifying nature.

Since it already has the penis head to represent the reproduction / gene survival aspect of it, they threw on some boobs too to show both sides. And why in that one weird artwork he had a giant vagina. The boobs look out of place on satan because they represent muh nurturingness, but he is a cold horrifying looking thing that isn't like that at all. the seemingly opposed images are just part of the themes. that our idea of a nice nurturing attitude is part of this overlay construction of order. Actual animals in the wild are actually cold and ruthless much of the time.
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>>160880774
That was unintentional. Look at yhvh's second form. That was definitely intentional.
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What's the logic of mido's recommendations?
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>>160927205
Your Stockholm syndrome is the problem.
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>>160927969
I want to say it's (highest-level demons available for fusion based on your Stock + (current level + Fusion Boosters)), then (highest internal value of skills transferable from materials, reserving space for result's defaults). Anything previously recruited/fused during the current playthrough is thrown out, which is why an NG+ run will still see solicits for things already in their Compendium from last game.
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>>160847968
Should be Wishiwashi or Mimikyu from what I understand.
But no cool sword move.
Totems sound fun, seem to give more challenge than gyms ever did.
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>This is Ifrit dodging Bahamut's Megaflare
And you fucks say IVA spat in the face of what the series' staples.
>>160854414
>He doesn't like the just as annoying equivalent of reinforcements arrived
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5egprg/what_is_normal_in_your_country_that_is_seen_as/dacagn5/

Poo in loo.
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>>160932159
What am i looking at?
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>>160933673
>reddit
Kill your true self.
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>>160933902
There's like twenty five regulars on smtg tops, and at least half of them go to reddit. I don't know who you think you are fooling. Any smtg memes there are instantly make their way to reddit.
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>>160934048
>half of the people here (freshly pulled out of my ass by the way) are retards so it shouldn't matter if I behave like one too
Really?
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>>160934317
>retards

I get that you're like 16, but using reddit is not inherently bad. /r/megaten isn't a hive of progressivism and whatever else you think happens there. Its basically its own cut off part of reddit that a lot of members of don't even use anything else. Its just there since there's no other smt communities in english of much size. And despite the shitposting good debate happens there more than here.
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Just starting an Apocalypse difficulty run of SMTIV:A.

Is it the same as normal where you can pick any build and be ok, or is there a certain build that'll make things a lot simpler? I read some people saying a gun build is best, but wasn't sure why.
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>>160933673
huh, so reddit just now got the excretion memo
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>>160934048
You really are a retard.
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>>160933785
Ifrit (Humanoid Red guy) dodging blades as if he is from DMC spawned by Bahamut (the sword-winged Femto guy) using his move Megaflare (Which is unlimited blade works for some reason).
Yeah.

I also got Perfect chao- Leviathan boss.
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>NPC on the field one shotting my skill cracks

this is bullshit Kaido fuck off
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How do I get more money in SMT2?
I just went and started Masakado's shit.
I'm broke AF though, haven't bought anything since Factory and got a Screp and Rocket Hammer.
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>>160933673
kys for being on reddit
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>>160937554
This isn't even a meme anymore. I'm legitimately wondering whether the autists here legitimately think they have some kind of one up over reddit when the highest level posts get here when nothing's coming out is shitposting. Without deflecting, people have to look at the level of posts here and realize that it can't really get much lower.
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>>160937952
again kill yourself
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>>160937952
>I'm legitimately wondering whether the autists here legitimately think they have some kind of one up over reddit
Yeah, we can say what we want, do what we want, freely post images like crazy, not have some circle jerky upvote system.

We're just in a dead zone right now cause the Apocalypse talk is pretty much gone.

If the quality here is so bad compared to reddits, why come here?
Clearly /smtg/ does have a one up, or else you wouldn't be coming here.
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>God is bad because he controls people's lives and give them no freedumbs
>God is bad because he just watches people and don't prevent bad things from hapenning
you faggots would blame God for every petty shit in your life no matter what
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>>160938621
What an exquisite high level post. Truly this is the epitome of game communities.
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>>160938758
kill yourself my dude
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>>160938681
>Clearly /smtg/ does have a one up, or else you wouldn't be coming here.

You didn't think this one through did you. This is a conversation about how people overlap into both places. Them coming here =/= them coming here more than reddit.

>Yeah, we can say what we want, do what we want, freely post images like crazy, not have some circle jerky upvote system.

I'm not sure what this means, but you can do most of this anywhere. Describing whether the nature of the format is better doesn't make the community better.

>We're just in a dead zone right now cause the Apocalypse talk is pretty much gone.

Yeah. That's the point. This place has barely anything other than at specific times. And for reasons unexplained there's people who actively want it like that. What do they gain from making sure this place is too dead to even ask game information on if one wants an answer fast enough to continue playing in?
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>>160938696
He causes all the bad shit to begin with so he can laugh at you
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>>160938696
SMTII yhvh isnt the same as IVA yhvh. II yhvh is bad since he wants a world of active slaves and does horrible shit to get there. iva yhvh is bad since he causes an apocalypse every 10000 years to keep humans from advancing, and actively plans fighting behind the scenes to make humans suffer and have an internal reason to cling to him. Ironically, iva was a bit ambiguous about how he even wnated humans to act. He didn't want a law world, but did he want humans to be lawful, just with him resetting it when it got too far? Did he want them to be more neutral? There's so much unamswered questions since they for reasons unexplained didn't prioritize explaining the ideologies of any character.
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>reddit alignment starts a war with 4chan alignment

the white were right
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>>160939552
The fight isn't even real. Its a bunch of users who use both both pretending not to.
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How much better is the Game Gear version of Last Bible compared to the Game Boy Color version?
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>>160939461
Who needs ideologies when you can have friends.
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>>160939552
Just ignore it all and let this general die peacefully.
We can escape this suffering.
Hoy.
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>>160939145
The sad thing is... I can't even really deny this. There really doesn't seem to be any reason why he is doing what he is doing. He doesn't even seem to have any real endgame. I wish YHVH acted more like in Devil Survivor, so you could actually take him seriously.
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>>160939461
Final only expanded on SMT II YHVH desu. He never sent the messiah to Tokyo milleum making the angels go crazy he also gave Lucifer the Kuzuryu and commanded him to destroy the world.
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>>160939918
>Not killing all your friends

Go back to the Persona general
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>get done replaying nocturne
>alright time to continue my Raidou 1 playthrough
>now have a very strong urge to try and playthrough DeSu 1
I'm never gonna beat Raidou at this rate.
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>>160940694

Honestly more reason to think it's a different yhvh.
Great Will remakes YHVH, similar to archangels, metatron, etc.

He even says he'll be recreated in 2 and there is a gap (nocturne and strange journey) where YHVH is apparently fragmented/still destroyed.
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Jack Frost was never a cool character. His hat is stupid, his lol so epic HEE-HO is cringe-y, and bufu is the DUMBEST special move in a role playing game ever.
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>>160947481
Shut up Pyro Jack.
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>>160947481
Say that again, motherfucker.
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>>160947481
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>>160947481
Someone's salty.
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Why were Nozomi, Toki, Isabeau, and Asahi's Arcs so terrible in Apocalypse?
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>>160951025
Cause they were all terrible characters.
Why didn't you murder them all?
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>>160951275
Because Dagda is a bigger idiot for wanting to give humanity super powers when it's apparent that humans in Apocalypse are retards who derp gods into existence. The superior solution is to side with Krishna and Inanna.
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>>160952027
If everyone had superpowers, then the only thing that would change is how we killed each other.

Your choices are
>humans murder each other with guns and demons
>humans murder each other with superpowers

May as well give everyone totally sick super powers.

If you're worried about gods, humans are probably going to derp YHVH back into existence in the bonds route anyway, so who cares.
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>>160934539
Shut the FUCK up beadman.
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>>160952548

All things happen in an infinite multiverse. If a temporary/personal victory isn't good enough check out what the white have to say, maybe you'll be into their pholosophy
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>>160953728
Good thing massacre is a permanent victory then.
You're god, you make the rules now.
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Finally getting around to playing SMT IV:A
I went str route with my character.
When does it start getting good, i'm lvl 46, and my attacks rarely crit and my regular attack does ~50dmg. Both my STR and LUK stats are above 100. My magic is at 30 and my magicals do more damage than my physical skills. I feel like i've been swindled.
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>>160955227
Depends on what skills you're using.
I can't remember what skills I used at your level, but I know I held onto binding claw for a long time.

STR is really good end game, especially when you get hell thrust.
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>>160955227
I went str too on my ng+ run. Every time I fight something that resists phys, Nanashi becomes a vending machine.
This isn't the power I was expecting after dex in IV.
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>>160954242

Hmm, gods are not forever. Humans retain free will necessarily.
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>>160955227

Your regular attacks are going to be garbage no matter what. Pick up hama or mudo so when you get thise preemptive smirks you get free instakills IMO, since that doesn't rely on your magic stat.
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>>160959342
>not going dex
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>>160960726

Dex ain't gonna make your normal attacks better, nor does it make hama or mudo bad a bad call on nanashi
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>>160961804
>using normal attacks at all
>not just shooting down everything
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does anyone have a JKSM compatible save file for SMT IV?
I couldn't transfer mine from my old 3DS and I want the extra stuff for Apocalypse
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>>160961903

Gun normal attacks are just as garbage as sword normal attacks so what point are you even trying to make? Skills are stronger? That's trivially obvious.
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[earth being engulfed by a black hole and static noises]
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>>160966152
>boss stops moving
>lights dim
>rumble sound
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrxtedscrUI
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The Akira from IV is not the same Akira from IVA, right?
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>>160967505
Yes, he is
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I finally killed record scratch
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>>160968172
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>>160967505

What do you mean by "the same?"
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>>160968307
Gotta get in before maido wakes up!
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>>160968664
The Akira with whom the citizens of Tokyo are so mad with, is the same Akira who founded the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado.
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>>160848969
Gauntlet doesn't let them use magic the demons teaching them how let's them be able to use it quit spouting nonsence.
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>>160968838

Yeah that would be the same.
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>meet back with Angel for the first time in DDS2
>this fucking chill track starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQ9kEY_hjE&feature=youtu.be&t=50m21s

Man, I really like this game.
And I can't believe this song doesn't have its own video.
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So where did this whole smt protags dont get to have happy endings meme come from? Outside of a few specific endings they have a better track record over all than persona protags when it comes to getting fucked over. Hell demifiend can even go back to a normal wold and have his friends back.
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my tendinitis is gone anons, time to continue working on nozomi.
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>>160952027
The point you miss is that humans will be more enlightened and not retards who pop out demons every time they stub their toes, and know by default YHVH is a liar.

Krishna just wants to be inside everyone in the afterlife and then toss his used goods around to be raped by uncaring Gods, which is most of the Powers. Inanna literally joined them because they weren't going to be a dick and punish her for being herself.

If Danu had just given back the power Inanna would easily have been on their side, but no muh Queen of the Fairies. Inanna's the only reason Toki had the courage to leave a retard cult like the Ring.
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>>160972075
Shame there's no girl Hal, Gaston, and Navarre art.

Nanashi shoving his dick through Navarre-chans Big. Fat. Ghost. Tit.
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>>160970326

Wish I still had my DDS2 save :(
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>>160972293
>girlston
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>>160947481
THIS GLORIOUS BAIT.

>implying he doesn't learn bufula/bufudyne and shoves ice dildos into your mother
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>>160945507
SJ is a different universe you idiot.

Same for Nocturne. All Kagutsuchis are intentionally meant to be YHVH in all but name. Kaneko says so in the artbook with Nocturnes demons.
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>>160972293
GHOST BLOWJOB WOO WOO
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>>160972517

Of course it's a different universe.

Within the same multiverse.

Great Wil creates a universe, with YHVH as its physical manifestation within that universe.

There's a reason light is emphasized so heavily in nocturne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Sof
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>>160940612
His endgame is clear:

"Prise my name! Praise my glory!"

As long as he gets the rush of worship he doesn't give a fuck.

>>160940694
II had a not a shitty knockoff Lucifer as well who willingly defied YHVH the moment he tried to make him do all that. YHVH throws a fit when Lucier revealed he defied him of his own will.
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So why do most demon race tiers get fucked up hardcore in IVA?

I mean look at the Divine Line. You go from fucking a level 10 Angel, to a level 82 Angel. Why?
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>>160972743
All Gods are manifestations of the Axiom/Great Will. Chaosy-more chaotic demons associate it with nature as the artbook mentions. Dagda is a manifestation just like Krishna or Maitreya are.

The difference is the role/power/station they have. In IV YHVH is the Creator God, a title you get after you make a universe using a bunch of souls and destroy the old one.

In I-II or SJ YHVH overthrew the Old Gods, but is never called the creator. In fact Mem Aleph is the one who birthed the human soul, and Freedom was picked by Izanami and Izanagi in Nocturne. YHVH is broken in SJ because he was a dick.

Brahman is God in DDS and Schrodinger even tells you he's not Satans God.
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>>160973290
>not liking bondage angel
faggot
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>>160973290
Uber Waifus are "in" right now.
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Is there anything I should be aware of going into Apoc after just finishing SMT4 for the first time a few days ago?
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>>160973290
Animated Trailer has Nocturne Angels as OP till Nanashi Godslayers her.
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>>160973290
Because she dies easily in YHVH Universe. The weakest of YHVH's non-A. bodyguards.
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Hi /smtg

How your day been going

>Sell 2DS to raise funds to buy a Mario patterned 3DS
>Buying food cause I'm cooking tomorrow
>Finishing homwork that I always procrastinate on
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>>160975992
I played Overwatch and shitty mmos all day.
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>>160975992
>Did some homework
>Played some Strange Journey
>Now currently punching demons
Thanks for asking.
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>>160975992
I just woke up after a 15 hours long nap. I might take a bath and play some more DeSu before going to class, I left it right where you choose your route at the end of the 6th day. It should be a chill day.
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>>160976730
>a 15 hours long nap
You're going to die
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>>160976920
God I hope so.
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>>160976730
>15 hours long nap
That's not a nap, that's just plain sleeping.
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>>160975992
>played L4d2 on my toaster
>played Bloodborne
>thinking about replaying Nocturne
>had to go out and buy a pumpkin pie
It was OK
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>>160976985
That's not sleeping, it's a sign his body is giving way to demons.
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>>160975992
>woke up
>ate a XXL chesseburger and some freedom fries
>currently playing Granblue Fantasy

Also thinking sating my hunger by playing DeSu OC.
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>>160976983
You replied to the post, so you should be fine for now.
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>>160977425
Fuck.
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>went to /v/ after not being there for years
>certain post with certain link to a certain voice clip of a certain game character with a certain retarded personality

Hold me /smtg/.
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>>160977789
No
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>>160977789
>>went to /v/
You deserve whatever happened to you.
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It's night time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7-U-BNXpk
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>>160975992
>woke up
>posted on /smtg/
>went to sleep
>just woke up
>now posting on /smtg/
Going pretty good.
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>>160977789
>certain post with certain link to a certain voice clip of a certain game character with a certain retarded personality
Go on
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>>160975992
just finished warming up so its time for the finishing touches for that nozomi, other than that my day's been fine
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>>160980573
>nozomi drawing
sup Sol Goodnigga
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>>160980764
hello
how was your day, good anon?
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>>160981431
I'm >>160975992
But its pretty good
I just back from the Walmart to buy some crap

How's the drawing been going, last I heard you was having trouble creating a Nozomi picture and that was the last time before I left the general cause of SuMo, i dunno if that's a better sounding name that S&M
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>>160769621
Why keep making these when Nocturne always wins?
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>>160981664
its going, yesterday I had a really bad tendinitis but today I'm fine!
gonna work on her until all colors are added, will probably shade tomorrow.
>>160981796
I guess he just needs to know that, every single time
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>>160981796
We must remind the SJfags that this is Nocturne territory.
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>Take elevator to 60th floor
>It actually doesn't skip to the floor
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>>160981876
Ouch
damn dude, hope you're feelng better
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>>160982014
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>>160982091
this is so insane and I fucking love it
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>>160982091
>I can jump from the 60th floor too
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>>160982315
It's not that long. You can also skip it after the first time.
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>>160973109
>His endgame is clear:
>
>"Prise my name! Praise my glory!"
>
>As long as he gets the rush of worship he doesn't give a fuck.

But in iva his plans would literally lead to less worship. He's making half of demons think they are against him, and the gaians who follow them too. How could that possibly lead to more worship than just not doing that?
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>>160972152
>not retards
>the types of answers you give to get dark points
>you literally tell satan you don't know what your plan is and its the right answer.

Humans will be dumb as shit in this new universe. The only difference is that they know that any gods that exist are indirectly made by humans, and have shitty low level magic that is not implied to be very strong. Have fun living in a forest by yourself because your god programmed you to not value friends while you sizzle your balls to masturbate better.
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>>160972152
>and then toss his used goods around to be raped by uncaring Gods, which is most of the Powers.

I'm pretty sure that krishna cared about humans more than he cared about other gods. Contrary to what some of the other gods thought about how it was about them, he never once said anything about it being so. He said it was all to protect humans from the shenanigans of this universe, and in general. At no point is he ever really implied to be lying either. He is the most genuine demon character in the game other than maybe the guy guarding his seal.
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>>160974423
That apocalypse basically retcons the actual logic of ivs plot into something totally new, and gets half the characters wrong.
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>>160977789
http://picosong.com/abSu/
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>be level 57
>enter a new area
>fight a level 47 demon
>asahi says the demons here are too strong
So these lines aren't based on level like I thought, they're just said after fighting in a new area. That's disappointing.
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>2016
>no Bahamut demon
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>>160986098
How do yo fuck this?
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>>160986507
Are you serious? You have a lot of possibilities there.
Mouth pussies, trunk, asshole, whale pussy
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>>160986098
Is it sad that when I read Bahamut, my first thought was of the dragon in Final Fantasy?
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>>160987926
I'm not one to talk since my first thought was the dragon from Rage of Bahamut.
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Guys I felt bad after beating Metatron and seeing him fall.

What is this feeling?
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>>160988426
Sounds like you have a case of being a lawfag.

Terrible feeling and I'm thankful that I'll never experience it.
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>>160987926
Not that bad, but
>FF Odin
>FF Shiva

Oh god.
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>>160988841
Do i even want to know?
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>>160988874
They're both awful.
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>>160989378
>look them up

The fuck?

And here i thought GBF's Loki was dumb.
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>>160989678
It's worth noting that FF never aimed for mythological accuracy in any way, shape or form. The names are literally just names.
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>>160989834
Right.

Still bothers me, though.
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>>160989936
Don't worry, it would bother anyone who actually had any interest in mythology, even a passing interest.
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Should I let my Medusa change her Heaven's Bow into Energy Drain? She currently has:

Snake's Fangs, Heaven's Bow, Charge, Debilitate, Luster Candy, Gun Pleroma, High Gun Pleroma and Drain Force (I decided against using Gun Pierce because I wanted both Luster Candy and Debilitate, sue me).

I use her for support but she deals a decent amount of damage with Snake's Fangs, but I tend to run out of MP after using buffs/debuffs. I could always use some MP Incenses on her, so I'm not sure if I should let Heaven's Bow change or not. Any advice?
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>>160991659
Jeez it sounds like you're really building her up.
How often do you use Heaven's bow?
If you're using it a lot and you personally find it useful, then keep it.

Or you could just transfer all that stuff to a superior demon, and make someone else your buff machine.
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>>160992213
I've already got a few more support demons (Krishna and Angel), I just like having options. Besides, Medusa having both offensive and support capabilities is more incentive for me to keep her around more often for battles, which is great because her new design in Apocalypse is top-tier.

>If you're using it a lot and you personally find it useful, then keep it.
I guess I'll do just that. If MP ever becomes a problem, I guess I could always spend a couple more MP Incenses.
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Law is right. Law is the truth.

Those who drown themselves in the chaos of hedonism will never know the purity of God's love.
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>>160993015
>the purity of God's love.
What love?
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What's a good mc phys build for IVA?
I'm thinking hell thrust, akasha arts, hades blast, charge, smile charge and awakened power.
Should the remaining 2 skills be filler or am I missing something?
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>>160993015
Hoy, what about knowing the purity of my love?
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>>160993463
Hell thrust is a must.
Crits and smirks for days because of it.
Hades blast is good for groups of enemies.

I found imposing stance useful for some bosses.
Magaon is extremely useful as well.
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>>160993348
He is always with you. He shares all of your joys and all of your suffering. He makes sure that no matter what happens, you are never alone.

When you reach the end of the life He gave you, he takes you to Heaven to exist eternally in bliss, provided you were faithful to His almighty will.

That is His salvation.

In chaos you are alone. The only thing that matters about you is your strength. If you aren't the best, the strongest, then you'll die alone and unloved.

>>160993479
Chaos loves no one. It cares for no one.
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>>160994173
Woah, calm down there, lawfag.
Don't you have to get ready for Thanksgiving today?
Go spout all that lawful shit at the dinner table.
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>>160987926
Nope.
In all honesty I never knew of fish Arab Bahamut, only DnD and FF's.
Hell even FF never heard of fish, Mecha Dragon was own concept
>>160988841
>>160989936
>implying it's that bad
Only issue is if the design is shit.
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>>160984087
It seems they at least bothered to improve the gameplay at least so I'll probably be fine with it.
Also this music is boppinest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE&list=PLz2ibfAR9AqHOtYltoNbCjFYK9gGC-DyI&index=4
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>>160999152
IV was better
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>>160993348
Finally, someoen reused that image. It took more time than it should have to make.
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>>160993015
Law is universalist ascetic hedonism though.
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>>160984087
How did it retcon IV? It takes place in an alternate timeline.
If anything I'd say that the dialogue is garbage, but the story itself is ok
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>>161001580
That's the point. Its not just about being an alternate ending to IV. Its about them changing shit about iv to account for the new outcome. Nozomi and danu's role was changed. Merkabah and lucifer are so different its a stretch to even try to pretend they are the same characters. By extension this makes johnathan and walter much crazier seeming for having sided with them in the first place. The purported changes in mikado once the angels came back never happened in this world. The entire abrahamic paradigm was changed so much that they took mastema out entirely since it would be too obvious how incoherent his role is in relation to everything else.

Say what you want about normal law and chaos endings. They might not always be good, but there's a pretty sharp distinction between "ideologically pure" versions so to speak, and versions that are considered bad / extra shitty / corrupt. In regular IV the characters were very definitely meant to be the former. But in the intermediary lucifer goes from someone dying talking about hopes and dreams to someone who literally goes mha ha ha, I want to subjugate all humans. And its not like the characters got corrupted in the meantime, since there is no meantime. The story starts with them already pale strawmen versions of their old selves.
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>>160981876
My nigga. I did that picture and got sad because I couldn't find it anywhere anymore.
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>>160993479
>no JonhxWalt yaoi pic behind the spoiler

I am deeply disappointed.
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Is my team ready for the E4? 55 should be high enough, right?
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why does everyone hate law
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>>161005137
I don't hate law, this is coming from a chaosfag.

I hate Neutral.
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>>161005137
I hate lawfags.
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>>161005635
>I hate Neutral.
Why? It's the only proper way for the human kind.
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>>161006241
I think it's the worst path.

That and i hate neutralfags going on about how it's the canon path or some shit.
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Just got Kaneko works vol 1 /smtg/
How is your day?
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Are there VC injects of smt1/2 with the latest patches? I remember some downloads popping up many threads ago before Apocalypse released. They're not in the tips and tricks pastebin.
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>>161004131
Sorry anon, I didn't have it on hand.
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>>161001820
Merkabah and Lucy are the same.

Both were that crazy for siding with them in IV.

A lot of the supposed changes were just spouted by lawdrones in Mikado too, even Casualries in Kiccigiorgi questioned there being "true equality" just because the Archangels said the Caste System was gone yet noticed nothing changed.

And the Chaos guys are still portrayed as more tragic than the Lawdrones. Like Hal's dad. Adrammelech's the only card carrying asshole and he's hilarious while doing it.
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>>160994173
YHVH loves you getting on your knees praying to Him. Get to it or rot in hell.
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>>160983982
Odin was his left hand and even said all humans will be shared qually.

He never denies it either. He never once says he won't share with the other Gods, which you don't get. Humans will must repeat the cycle because it is the Axioms Law. Even the artbook says they want humans to Observe in a certain way. So humans will be raped by all the gods while he lives in touching them and seeing it as Salvation.

You can answer light choices and go Massacreanarchy. That's never suggested. Humans will be Gods is vague enough that could be anything from incredibly strong to mid tier.

And with Hal as the mom they'll have great magic powers, while shit with anyone else who isn't the monkey.

>>160983578
Purges and suffering makes the more devout serve him more.
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>>161004762
55 is fine, but you'll have to keep yourself well-stocked.

Remember, it's the Elite Four, then the Champion, THEN separate blindsidings by Inanna and Maitreya.
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>>161008442
The game needed more boss rush like that.

Just think of a boss rush of beefed up defeated Powers like the Medusa, Titan, Four Kings, etc.
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>>161003915
I save almost every image that you guys post so that I don't run out of smt stuff to post along. Glad to help anon
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Why don't they just use a flying demon and a stealth demon to fly over the Yamonote Circle
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>>161010282
JSDF shoots it down or Angles.
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>>161007119
pls
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Do any of you know if the PS1 MegaTen games on JP PSN ever go on sale? Also is the version on SMT2 that's on there the version that's not glitchy? I heard some earlier editions of the PS1 version have game breaking bugs or something and I'm not sure which version they would have used in the digital release,
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>>160983578
People are already starting to worship him again in IV Neutral and even Bonds in Mikado. They literally don't learn shit from what happens.

Mastema even tells you belief in God will germinate on Neutral in IV.
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>>161011103
YHVH king of memes
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>>161008271
That middle part about Hal and Massacre is meant for >>160983719
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>>161005137
Because you're human. And you should be proud to be human. Fuck the so-called gods who say there's something wrong with you. Chaos is no better, there is no difference between a tyrant and a dictator.
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I have not bought Apocalypse yet, and I wanted to know how it compares to 4. The biggest problem I had with 4 was the story, where your choices didn't really relate to the main conflict and alignments. I've heard that Apocalypse has a story that's very different from SMT in general.
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>>160830197
I discovered it in adulthood thanks to pic related 6/7 years ago, I knew nothing about this series before it and when Smt IV was finally on sale in the eshop I gave it a try because it looked harder than pokèmon and the dialogue mechanic was really interesting.
Now Smt is one of my favorite series

Bougth Devil summoner and Overlocked this halloween, shit is hard but fun[\spoiler]
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>>161011767
Chaos when not taken to the extreme loves humans. Humans can surpass Gods and Demons because they are inherently chaotic which means limitless potential.

Most humans are just too weak to tap into that potential.
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>>161011595
Indeed. Humans are too weak to not rely on His Memes and Social Justice.
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>>161011797
It has the same problem with choices, but the gameplay is fantastic.
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>>161012341
How does IV compare choice wise to older games? It was my first that I completed of the main series.
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>>161012408
Same shit, just more obvious with how choices are shit.

The Chaos/Law routes in II and TDE in Nocturne are the best routes.
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>>161012408
When I played Nocturne, the alignment choices are more numerous and more obviously related to each alignment. Questions like "Would you like to live as a plant?" or "Does the world only need beautiful things?" may seem random but are just simplifications of the alignments. You also have characters directly explaining their alignment to you, and asking your opinion on it, which can easily stick you to that path if you tell them you like it, or lock you out of the path if you say you hate it.

In SMT IV, most of your alignment choices are choosing to be polite or rude, sparing or killing gladiators after you win, or that one choice where the woman asks whether you're a demon or an angel. None of these have any discernible relationship to the endings you can get.
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>>161012530
I think anon is talking about choices not routes.

And the choices in Nocturne are fucking terrible because the moment you don't agree with one of the reps or the neutral route, you are permanently locked into the lame ass Demon Ending if you don't go with TDE.

They're better in I and II. The only thing that bothers me is that using demons of a certain alignment will shift yours, and you can't access the Healing Spots that aren't of your alignment.
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>>161012759
It actually was the alignment points that were my only complaint about IV. I knew immediately I wanted the neutral ending so I found it tedious making sure my arbitrary alignment points lined up.

>>161012530
>>161012862
A bit of both? I guess as opposed to a point system what the other games used instead. Points weren't bad buy branching paths are better if done well enough.
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>>161013291
IV did the system like a scale. I would have preferred if it was like in DeSu, where you can choose whichever route you want as long as you earned enough points with the alignment reps.
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>>161013753
I did read they implanted multiple endings for King Abaddon, but I figure that's a good step to prevent Raidou games being just simplistic adventure games where sometimes you run around in an arena for a half hour mashing square.

I see that Apoc changed it so there's still points for dialogue purposes and what NPCs will say but you can still ultimately pick your ending
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>>161011767
>being human

fuck that shit give me any chance to turn and I'll take it

no spikes on back though
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>>160972152
Inanna would most likely try to be a domineering mom to the protagonists. She'll shut them down for bringing up nakama power.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQuxPHQCeo
GOOD JOB, MASTER. ONE MORE TO GO!
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>>161015382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHyf8fHloow
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smtg, what's your favourite song from a darling smt of yours and from the latest ones?

mine's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RiHmQcHa84 from nocturne and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik from SMTIV
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>>161011767
>you're human. And you should be proud to be human.
Speak for yourself unlightened scum
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>>161016957
Classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bG6PPQyxyI
Modern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCNFOOMDYU
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>>161017170
>>161011767
humans are stubborn and relentless with their selfishness, and that's what makes them surpass all those faggot ass monsters.
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I just beat DDS1 and DDS2, what do I play next?
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>in ds2 you can transform into a hooker
Has there been a porn manga based on this yet?
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Alright, at this point I've played three non-Persona SMT games, none to completion, and I still don't understand what's going on. Is there some kind of connective tissue, some continuous narrative, that I'm not picking up on? How many and which games do I have to play before I can understand the lore and consider myself a fan?
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>>161018428
A lot of the narrative in SMT comes at the end of the games. Finish those games and maybe read some plot points online afterwards.
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>>161018428
There's the mainline games like smt 1 2 3 strange journey 4 and apocalypse and then there are other games taking place in other parts of the multiversal amala network iirc. If you want to think of the smt series as a whole universe it's more a set of laws that alow for other sets of laws to exist that then dictate how the smt themes play a part in the games.
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>>161014489
She was more afraid of losing her place, so she tried to ivercompensate with the overbearing mom who wants her kids to listen to her.

As Nozomi happily pounts out she wasn't any different from them after she spends most of her time being a huge bitch to her before absorbing the Mother of All.
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>>161014083
The Messiahs in Diamond Realm Stephen going on about human potential and Demi-Fiend going TDE suggest he still remains human at his core.
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>>161017493
>humans are stubborn and relentless with their selfishness
The peace disease is real humans nowadays are just domesticated pets.
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>>161019786
>not just an elaborate plot by YHVH to gain more power from worshippers across the whole political spectrum
>the plan will backfire when the overload of tension and strife releases the true original creator upon the world to restore balance
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>>161016957
The original Cathedral of Shadows theme will always be my favorite, I was happy when it was the default theme in IV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmeqQbOmFw&index=17&list=PLB-py7ylAoF9SbPuLXo5G54n8QO79l2tI

I normally don't care for background music in dungeons but I really like this one from Apocalypse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlVrKQ2tnA&list=PLbTbakA0BfGJUwfvJxpMxbDSpXcmmoNYP&index=26
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SMT 4 is bullshit. I just started playing this, I'm trying to read the fucking tutorial billboards in this dungeon and enemies spawn two feet away from me, bullrush and kill me instantly in one turn via surprise attack.

Is it going to be this stressful through the whole game? Is bringing up the menu the only way to stay safe and catch your breath? A whole lot of my deaths so far have been due to rotating the camera and trying to find my way and getting slammed in the ass by a random spawn behind me
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>>161021793
Ditch out to the rooms with NPCs if you want to catch a breather. Otherwise, the game gets much easier from Nataku but stays challenfing.
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>>161021793
>reading billboards

It'll be hard until your first whisper event. After that, rush demon analyze and/or memorize weaknesses.
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>>161021953
>>161022005
So, the crazy monster spawn rate and instant death on surprise attacks stays throughout?
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>>161022114
It's not really crazy past the first room.

Besides, you should learn movement patterns. There are three.

First one is the standard chase, which you can circle around.

Second is the one where it's a leading chase aka you go one way and it'll try to take the best path to get at you. Lot harder, just slice at it or run a straight line.

And speaking of straight line, the third is the "HAWMA GAHNA GIT YA LKFHKLFHEWKRE" full retard path where it charges straight at your position, where it'll either hit you, or you move three inches and it goes right past you, keeps going into a wall, and despawns. Flying spawns usually do this.
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>>161022114
Spawn rate yes. Just don't stand around like an idiot and keep a present mind.
Death no. Once you get demon whispers like the other anon said you get to learn elemental spells and should make the game much easier. I would recommend prioritizing Protagonist and Demon skill slots, gives you more options going forward. There's two big bosses you will have to fight on your way to the main part of the game, but after that you will have learned how to handle yourself.

I think there's good tips in the Past even OP. Abuse elemental weakness and stat buffs. Sukukajwins fights.
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>>160830197
I discovered it through Persona when I was like 14.
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>>160830197
I started with P2 in college because a friend lend me his copy.
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Is it bad that I want to play Apocalypse for him?
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>>160830197
SMT II when I was 16.
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>>161024542
Are you a fujo or a gay?
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>>160830197
SMT I and persona 3 portable when I was 13 getting started on hacking psps
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>>161024542
If you're a man, yes.
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>>161024542
I kind of want to as well to see what the deal is with him being a demon is
And why he has a persona
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>>161017531
Digital Devil Story 1 and Digital Devil Story 2.
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>>161026117
Good thing I'm not ;D
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>>160830197
I grew up in a conservative Christian household but I remember seeing X Play reviews of DDS and P3 and thinking "Holy shit I want to play that." I picked up FES when I turned 17 and then P4 the following year, and P4 is still one of my all time faves. Slowly working my way through other games if the series thanks to the PSN sales.
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When's the point of no return in Apocalypse?
I just beat Odin and am about to enter the egg.
Don't care about spoilers.

Also how do I beat the VR quest with the Demonee-ho that absorbs everything?
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>>161027624
The route lock is at the end of the egg.
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>>161027624
Demonee-ho cycles through Ma-dynes in Fire/Ice/Elec/Force order on each of his turns. Stack the appropriate repelling demon and/or Will Of caster, rotating them on active press turns.

Depending on whether or not you're going Massacre and how much partner flexibility you want after the Egg, you're basically right up against the point of no return. Nothing's really locked off to you beyond this point like during the Mikado infiltration, though.
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>>161024692
Yes
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>>161028182
Blessed taste.
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How do I properly use fusion in smtIV? I feel like no matter what i'm making a mistake
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Yosuga is truly the only decent reason in Nocturne.
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>>161029267
>not wanting to be a NEET that can be a god of your own dimension
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>>161022114

SMTIV compensates for allowing the player to save anywhere by, to some degree, making the player want to save everywhere.

You can get royally fucked up on an ambush, but so can the enemy. Combat starts on the map, not just the battle screen. The chance of getting decimated on an ambush decreases with investment into armor and all that
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>>161029548
It's pathetic.
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>>161028841

Fuse everything forever. The biggest mistake you can make is to not fuse. The more an individual demon is levelled the less those levels matter since for one they stop getting new skills, and for two they don't tier up for fusing stronger demons out of them. Take a jack frost and level it 20 times and its fusion combinations will be the same as if you level it once. Learn their skills, get their items, fuse them all away. Use negotiation to keep the fodder coming in. It's even worth it to consider negotiating with demons you have in the compendium to avoid paying Mido all of your macca if there's 2 things you think you want from the same source demon.
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>Dress Nanashi as a girl
>Hallelujah compliments him
lewd
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>>161029267
>he has a Reason

>didn't tensei the megami

you done fucked up son
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>>161029789
Becoming a NEET god with zero consequences is beautiful, turning the whole world into Detroit is pathetic.
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What's the point of those purple walls in Apocalypse? You need the sword to break them, but you already have it when you start seeing them.
They're pretty much just normal walls with a prompt in front of them.
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>>161030249
Padding.
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>>161030249
Nip Barriers slain by Nip Magical Katana folded 10000 times in Dragon Blood.
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>>161030294
Just like the fucking MASH X traps. Wonderful addition.
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>>161004131
It could be fixed

if you commission me :^)
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>>161027045
post vagina
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does anyone have the image this came from originally? It's got a whole bunch of demons in conveniently travel sized forms and I have no idea where I saved the original
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>>161033334

another example
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>>161029857
but are there skills i need to have for demons in general?
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I'm 2 hoys away from having over 30 hoys.
Post your rarest hoys.
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>>161033115
There's already tons, and even custom playlists to accompany them.
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>>161034769
oh well, I tried ;u;
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>>161034202
Is this rare enough?
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Since messiahs and protagonists are manifestations of the Great Will observing the world

Does that mean Jesus preached the love of the Great Will's purity and not the corrupted aspect that became YHVH and he walked around with his 12 social link party beating the shit out of demons?
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>>161035272
I'm not sure that qualifies as a hoy.
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>>161035303
The bible says that gods name is yhvh tho
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>>161033904

It's definitely worth keeping healing spells most of the time, and later on in the game I'd recommend Spirit Drain on as many things as you can get it on (assuming that was the one which does HP and MP - it was spirit or energy drain). Might be worth considering fusing Spirit Drain onto some element race demons so you can spread it through as many other fusion combos as possible, because I honestly struggle to think of a demon that wouldn't benefit from the ability to restore MP given how much spells cost in IV and IVA at high tiers.

I personally often keep high damage skills even if the resulting demon doesn't have the stats for them since sometimes the next demon down the line will have the stats instead. Debuffs/buffs and particularly late game debilitate and luster candy are very useful to have around.

The most important thing is to not just rely on having 3 good demons and a roster full of suck. Fuse such that you have a lot of demons that are ok to good instead of just 3 that are good to great. Everything is fragile in this game and resurrecting demons takes either expensive items, expensive spells, or multiple actions. Easier to just summon a replacement. Keep a lot of demons around and prioritize what you think is good when you fuse and you'll probably be fine.
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Someone told me that in the SMT: Nocturne radio drama there are two demi-fiends and one of them is a complete fag. What's that about?
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>>161035303

In SMT terms he would have probably been a neutral hero who the church would have reimagined as a law aligned messiah
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There's no way to return to Blasted Tokyo in IV if I'm doing a law route, right?
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>currently autobattling every single boss to death in the Great Cathedral
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>>161033334
>>161033459
Gotchu nig
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>>161038513

thanks bro
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>>161038513
this from a game?
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I was fighting mara and toki started using a skill called mist blade that she does not actually have in her skill set right now

Am I the chosen one

Did toki choose me
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>>161041504
you are just another bitch ass messiah
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>>161041504
Yeah, that happened to me too. She'll probably learn it pretty soon.
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>>161036267
Law propaganda.
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>>161037028
Nope.
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i just started a new work and i hate all my co workers
convince me of not going anarchy on them

QDS vol 2 when anyway
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>>161039780
I don't think so, it's probably just a collage of the artist's favorite demons
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>>161019425
I agree with you, just saying that Inanna was really needed to keep the protagonists in line. Danu was way too complacent and retarded to be Bonds representative.
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>>161006669

Its a shame for you they're right
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>>161006241
How is being indecisive and retarded a proper path for humanity?
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>>161044548
using different methods or making different choices according to cases and situations isnt indecisive nor retarded

if anything it makes us smart and flexible.
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>>160981876
wait does the book say smtg?
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>>161044548

Amazing! This man appears to be made... entirely of straw!
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COME TO YOUR MOTHER
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Happy Thanks-hee-ving, ho!

Should've finished this a long time ago
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>>160982091

Thank god I played this on an emulator and could just fast forward.
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>Looking around for Black Friday 3DS
>local Walmart drops our calls
>get super mad & call them out on it by reviews

How's your day & Black Friday haul been?
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>>161048415
Going out around 4AM to wait outside Gamestop until they open at 5. Hoping I can grab a couple of those New 3DSs, one for myself and one for a Christmas gift.

I called Walmart, Best Buy, Target, Toys R Us, and some other places yesterday looking for them but had no luck. Gamestop is my last hope now. They're the only ones who seem to actually putting up their in-store deals on fucking black FRIDAY and not several days before.
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Whats your favorite region of Tokyo /smtg/?
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>>161048583
Our Toys R Us is on the other side & ive heard that "it's not a guarantee, but we'll still be having shipments coming until Saturday"
I'll try to reserve a copy of that does happen
I sold my 2DS for this
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>>161048583
Get apocalypse too, it's 20 dollars off
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>>161048716
I'm really hoping I can cop one. It seems like the New 3DS model is perfect.

I had an original model 3DS but sold it because the glossy finish + easily scratched/self scratching design flaws + flimsy as fuck. I've been using a black 3DS XL for the last few years but I don't like it either. The larger size is too clunky and it feels like it's really cheaply made.

Having the smaller size without the shitty glossy surfaces and design issues sounds great.

>>161048856
I already beat IVA, senpai. I was actually thinking of doing a NG+ Apocalypse run if I get that New 3DS, though. Would give me a reason to actually use it.
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>>161048708

akihabara XD
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>finally beat krishna after 20 minutes of struggling through debuffs and ailments
>realize I could have used hallelujah's warding shout to avoid it all
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Ok, I got a question - I just bought SMT 4 Apoc, and I'm wondering what I'm in for.
The only other Atlus games I've play are persona 3,4 and Nocturne, so how much different is this?
Also am I retarded for buying the fourth game in the series? Or do they all follow different plot lines with different characters? Do I need to good fervently reading a bunch of wikipages to get the plot for the previous games or is there a sparknotes page I can read?
Is Apoc even good or did I get scammed?
Any early game tips to help out?
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>>161055558
You were scammed. You should've got IV instead.
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>>161055558
Why is it so hard for people to understand that IV:A is meant to be played after IV?
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>>161057359
>>161056258
It sucks that big box retailers only sell IV:A. I looked around, but target didn't have any others.
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誰も「神」に立ち向かうことはできなかった。
無論、あらゆる祈りの言葉も通じなかった。

「神」は破壊の限りを尽くし、
世界は混沌に打ちひしがれていた。
復活を望む死者たちの墓は暴かれ、
獣たちは互いに牙を剥き、
生き残った人間は絶望と不信に
重く沈んだ。

野火が消え、無明の夜を迎えた時、
一匹の蛇が地に横たわる屍より
這い出てきた。
蛇は体をくねらせて丘を登り、
焼け焦げたかん木の脇にとぐろを巻いた。
そして首をもたげた待った。

「神」は蛇に向かって言った。

呪われてあれ

これが「神」の言葉の、その始まりであった。
蛇は暗曇に閉ざされた大地に向かて
降りて行った。
蛇は幾多の災い、幾多の試練をもたらすべく、
憎悪の渦巻く世界へと進んでいった。
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>>161058197
>蛇は暗曇に閉ざされた大地に向かて
蛇は暗雲に閉ざされた大地に向けて
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Bumping for godslayers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-aUpqr2mUo
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>>161061934
Overrated. B1 and A3 are both better.
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>>161061975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLfaiKAxZA
Was never really a big fan of b1. It took what I loved about Nocturne's boss theme, completely changed the tone of it and then made it dissonant.
Normally I love that kind of stuff, but this time it just didn't click with me at all.
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>>161061975
Are you serious? B1 is fucking terrible.
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>>161062151
You're fucking terrible.
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>>161062194
No you.
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I'm playing through Soul Hackers right now and I need your help to clarify something.

The instant kill spells in this game (Hama/Mudo) aren't called Light/Dark like in purseowner. Mudo says something about "cursing an enemy to death", so I'm assuming it's Curse "element" and Hama is Expel. But what about accessories that say they block "Death"? Is it just Mudo, or is it both? Are there any instant kill attacks that aren't Curse or Expel? Like, a Fire skill with a chance of an instant kill? If there are, does "Nu: Death" blocks those too? And do demons with "Nu: Magic" block instant kills (and status effects like Confusion) as well as damaging spells?
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>>161063172
Death=Mudo as far as older MegaTen goes.

I think Expel=Hama somewhat consistently, but I'm not as confident.

I think separate instant death effects aren't covered by Mudo/Hama resistance.

Which demon nulls all magic?
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SMT x Initial D
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SMT x Rage of Bahamut.
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>>161064373
Thankfully I haven't encountered any that null all magic completely. I've only met a couple of demons that absorb or reflect physical and are weak to magic. And it seemed like the instant kill spells had a higher hit rate on those. So I was wondering, if immunity to magic damage would also mean immunity to status effects and/or instant kills.
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SMT x Starless
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>>161067789
Status magic and elemental are completely different.

That, plus it'spractically impossible to be immune from magic, since we have this fancy thing called Almighty.
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>>161067921
I might say that notation is really fucking shitty in this game. Don't know if it's due to character limit or some other reason. But it's really unclear what is included in Magic, Death etc. in the enemy weaknesses or immunities.

Also, I'm still not convinced Death means just Mudo, because I don't remember being one shot by a Hama since I've equipped the accessory with Death immunity on it. Dunno, maybe I was just really lucky and dodged every single Hama, but I doubt it.

And what does qualify as Curse magic then?
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Should I play Megami Tensei on Famicom or Super Famicom?
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I started SMTIV: Apocalypse yesterday and found the hit rate on the hardest difficulty to be way too punishing so started again on War difficulty, but now the game seems too easy.

Does hit rate stop being so much of a problem later in the game when you have high Agi? Or is the whole game just constant wipes due to missing making progress really slow?
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>>161068885
From what I was told, you really need to dump points into Agi in order to hit shit.

Don't take my word on this, since I haven't tried Apocalypse difficulty.
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>>161068885
>>161069506
Is this for real? Do SMT games actually do this? Is that the japs' understanding of proper, fair and challenging difficulty adjustment?
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>>161069506
You can change up to Apocalypse difficulty, but not down from it once you do, so I might give it a try again when my agi's a bit higher to have a look. It probably will get much less difficult later on, like SMT4.

>>161069591
Not usually, no. It's a special thing for this game. A DLC difficulty level.
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>>161069591
>DLC difficulty that was added after the fact and clearly designed to be as hellish as possible
>proper, fair and challenging
lol
Take solace in the fact that Compendium prices aren't as horrific as they are on the below difficulty.
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Just a curious question, not smt related
Has anyone here tried calling around for the Black Friday 3DS?
I've managed to find a place that has one, which is nice. But all other locations have been spotty

I called one saying they'll restock on Saturday
Another one said they'll restock December 4th
Another one said around Christmas

Has anyone been getting these?
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I'm a hoy
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Getting a better handle on smt 4 now, you were right it did get more manageable after the first room. Now I have a question about burroughs apps.

How many app points are readily available in the game? I mean is it possible to waste points by buying things that are nonessential? I bought Scout Gift ages ago and it seems like such a pointless thing to have, receiving a single Life Stone when you recruit something.

Any recommended purchases or stuff to save points towards, things to avoid?
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>>161063172
>>161064373
>>161068119
Curse is anything whose sole effect is inflicting a status ailment that won't cause a Game Over if the MC is hit with it (your bog-standard Poison, Sleep, Charm, etc., plus damage multipliers/nonstandard instant kill setups like Bomb and Mark). Death is the Mudo line and anything that Petrifies.

Expel is basically just the Hama line, and humans throughout mainline and Devil Summoner Null it by default (including Nemissa!) unless armor otherwise opens a weakness to it.
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Cyber Sleuth has to be the most light-hearted SMT game I have played.
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>>161076406
>Sleep, Charm
Shouldn't those be Nerve and/or Mind statuses?
>humans throughout mainline and Devil Summoner Null it by default
Oh, really? That would explain it. But I don't think it's listed on the character's status. Or maybe I just overlooked it.
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>>161076478
Except for the guy who never managed to log out and got his organs sold in the black market, yes, it's a pretty light-hearted SMT.
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>>161076879
I totally forgot Curse/Mind/Nerve were separate families of ailments in SH rather than the IV/IVA way of "Mind/Nerve are families of the Curse element". Per MTWiki:

Curse: Charm, Poison
Mind: Sleep, Confusion
Nerve: Paralyze, Bomb

>>161075802
I want to say you'll realistically get about 110 levels' worth of App Points from levelups and App Point Cards per playthrough of IV without using the App Point DLC.

Scout Gift is incredible because demons will stop giving out Life Stones after a while and start giving out things like Beads and MP recovery items. Plus it and the "+Macca on Scout" app fire twice when you've bought Scout+ and get a second demon in the deal (a big reason behind why Scout+ got its trigger rate heavily nerfed in IVA).

Chitchat is basically useless unless you're willing to invest fully into it; Plead may have its uses but Plead+ is pointless since any time a demon heals you (through Plead or owned-already gift) it's always for Full HP and Token MP. Negotiate can be cute if you can force a ceasefire by using it while a demon is asleep, but if you can stick Sleep on it you can probably kill it anyway. All three of these Talk types and their sub-apps are gone from IVA on account of their niche-ness.
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Going onto the third day of Yuzu wearing the same clothes constantly sweating

Gaining a new fetish
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>>161075802
Extra skills slots, individual and party MP walk, extra demon slots, Compendium discounts, translation app.

Getting all these will keep you busy for a while, but they are without a doubt the best apps in the game. The other ones are only good for fun and messing around.
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>>161077827
Female stench is a weird thing.

At first it's really gross and unpleasing just like with any other kind of stench, but then I kinda get turned on by it and can't forget its essence for a good hour or so.
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Comfy's just a stupid meme to justify a dead general for niche series.
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>>161080802
Right now it's not comfy though.
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>>161080802
Death is pretty comfy though.
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Strange Journey can't be mainline since it uses Garu instead of Zan
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>>161082813
>Garu
Disgusting.
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can someone explain to me why angels are demons?
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>>161083456
Just means that they are manifested with magnetite like the other demons
Just like all the demos that are based on legendary heroes or actual people
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>>161083456
Because they are spirits, aka: daemons, just like every other "demon" in the series.
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>>161083456
Demon in SMT just refers to any supernatural being.
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>>161083919
jesus is a demon then?

>>161083759
makes sense

>>161083662
there are demons based on people?
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>>161084093
Masakado was a real nigga

I know there's more, but I'm trying to focus on clearing SJ atm m8
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>>161059698
Here have the improved version
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>>161084093
Jeanne D'arc and Cleopatra are demons who used to be people.

Jesus could be a megaten demon if they wanted to feature him in a game.
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>>161084968
I was literally here the day these edits were made, but I don't know where the source comes from or what's the context of them.
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>>161085171
Chick Tracts, basically evangelist comics
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>>161085171
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_tract
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Beldr today guys

Even if he is immortal the game has been piss easy so far. This might be the turning point
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Should I replace Zandyne for Deadly Wind with my magic nuke Flynn?
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>>161085826
Yeah, fuck yeah
Not even a contest
As long as you have some way to get MP back

>>161085452
He's really immortal
Really
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>>161085452
Oh boy, shit happens when you fight an actual boss in DeSu.

Get ready, faggatron.
Protip:Hit him until he dies.
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>>161081052
Fuck off The White.
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>>161085826
Try to replace your -Dyne spells with the Severe spells.
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This free battle (hard) shows me that MP is going to be an issue and I've done nothing but MA on my hero but still ran out of MP after all the Maragi and Ice Dance I shot out.

Is there no way to get MP. Was a slug battle waiting for these demon to run out of MP from Devotion and Charm spam
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>>161088654
Get drain.
You'll never run out of MP during combat.
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>>161088654
The elemental dances will last you the whole game, and your MP is only gonna keep growing larger.

But to take care of this issue you will need skills that regenerate MP, and to don't let one party member do all the work.
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>>161088982
They all died trying to crack Force Dance. Hard in these free battle usually meant a lot of enemies. This Yuki Onna Mabufa was shitting out 100s on neutral though

Main character managed to finish the free battle but I went through most of my demons. Just fused a King Frost who has ability to give me MP back. Too bad I can only fuse 1 of these
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Is posting in /smtg/ chaos?
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>>161093384
SMTG is the land of chaos where the law is neutral
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>>161098838
It's over. Hikawa won.
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>>161098838
Whatcha buy for Black Friday SMTG
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>>161099729
I've been sick in my room all day. Was gonna hang out with a buddy.
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>>161099729
Did my Black Friday self-indulgence on Tuesday, got a 16 GB card for my jailbroken PS Vita.

Now I gotta wait for PSN spoofing to get cracked again so I can migrate back to my overseas PSN and buy the Gundam Breaker 3 season pass instead of playing off a dump and being paranoid about the autosave being broken after a round in sleep mode.
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>>161099729
Bought my lil bro the black friday New3ds since his OG 3ds's charging port crapped out and died and a comfy hoodie for him too, since he complained about having only light sweaters and nothing for -20 to -40c weather.

Gamestop/EBgames was a disaster, jesus christ no sales and shit stock, so many parents frustrated at them being sold out of FNAF shit. Not even Amazon Canada has some good sales. fuck my life all I want is a decent sale but everything's 20$ which in Quebec is pretty much tax off.
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>>161105560
>attaching your friend code

For what purpose, SMT4A is not multiplayer.
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>>161106024
Cuz why not everyone here has the same interests.
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>>160784552
Ha ha ha.
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>>161105560
>Canadian
I feel bad for you
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>>161106024
Aw fuck. Sorry anon, I was in a Swapnote/swapdoodle thread beforehand FCs and didn't notice I left it in before posting.

>>161106853
Being french canadian is pure suffering. I couldnt actually get SMTIVA locally as no place ordered it (probably because muh english only and language police) and I rather not have a 50$ game that I can get off of amazon or the eshop jump up to 60-65$ due to all of the bullshit taxes (provincial, federal and eletronics tax)
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>>161068518
super famicom unless you hate yourself
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>Anon says Demonic Hugo was delusional.
>Demonic Hugo note states he LITERALLY became part of YHVH's Universe. Thus having a universe in his chest.
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I really want a mainline SMT with Jesus as the MC.
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>>161109041
Might be possible to edit SMT 1 or 2 to be like that
Alternatively, Aleph is basically future Jesus, so you wouldn't need to alter SMT 2 at all
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IL END IT THUS
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>>161113671
>miss
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>>161113671
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Happy coup d'etat day, guys.
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>Want to fuse new demon
>Current selection is sucks or Mido being an extreme jew
>Recruit some wild ones
>The only fuseable ones are my main or the results are extremely bad
>Need to recruit more demons
>Slot is full
>Repeat for every 10 levels

I fucking hate this cycle so much
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Sup /smtg/. Tonight I'm gonna fap to one of the multiple Digital Devil Saga doujin.
How about you?
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>>161117180
>spinoff fans
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>>161116394
Buy the dlc you whiny baby.
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>>161118054
But have you played a true Megami Tensei game?
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>>161118301
Majin Tenseis mangaka made a Majin Tensei hentai doujin. You can read it on exhentai.
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>>161118436
That one kinda sucks.

IMO the best non-Persona megaten doujin is the one with Alice.
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>>161118815
I thought it was sweet. And it ends with Three Archangels about to fuck over the Hero.

And the JSDF guy thats actually a Four Heavenly King talking with Loki.
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>>161118054

Are SMT1 and SMT2 real Megoomi Tensay games?

I am playing through 1 also and it's kind of easy, though Arachne and that mind dungeon was shit, only time I used save states. (sorry)
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>>161119019
Sounds nice.

>>161119321
The only real Megoomi Tensay games are my favorite ones. The rest are thrash.
All of them are my favorite ones.
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>>161119321
Just a heads up: youre going to want to kill yourself by the time you get to the cathedral. I still love the whole game for some reason though.
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>>161119486
My unfiltered nigga
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>>161120975
>no psp debisama
smug kyouji.jpg
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>>161121730
I'm still missing some shit but I'm tight on money right now, I still don't have the limited editions of dds1 and 2 or most of the devil children games either
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>>161120975
>i am smtg, and this is the face of autism.jpg
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>>161122514
If I were autistic I would own two copies of TMS#FE wouldn't I?
oh wait I do
I can't wait for the sweet release of death tbqh
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>>161122635
can i get your shit once yo die?
>>
>>161120975
Now this is true hunger.
>>
>>161122635
Just think in Dagdas world you'd be autistic have superpowers.
>>
>>161120975

Nice
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>>161120975
>No Devil Children games
>Devichil anime instead
You poor thing.
>>
>>161125103
I agree, I don't have enough money to buy all devil children games at once.
I also don't have the official Persona Q 3ds which is also shameful.
I'm drunk as shit too tbqh
megaten is literally my favourite thing ever
>>
GIVE US OBLIVION
>>
>>161128296
GIVE US SKYRIM: SPECIAL EDITION
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>>161128296
Or give us death.
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>>161128296
>>161128759
>>161128795
Shall I give you Dis Pear?
>>
>translation never
it was...
just a feeble dream
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>>161129569
I'll show you feeble.
>Unzips your dick
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>>161129878
i have a vagina
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>>161130035
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Give me fanart where he doesn't look like a 13 year old bitch
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>>161130204
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>>161130245
>>
Is the protagonist from Strange Journey a messiah?
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>>161130323
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>>161130380
Too much kawaii fanart and not enough edgy
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>>161130516
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>>161130585
Thanks, I'm already starting to run low, though
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>>161130353
no he is a vending machine
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>>161130686
As am i, few edge, some cool, others ok or too faggish.
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>Oblivion soon
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>>161130872
Shut up whitefag
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>>161131028
You shall not deny our salvation.
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New thread:
>>161131090
>>161131090
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>>161129569
Man what the FUCK happened to the embryon?
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