/domg/ - Dominions General

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Our NationGen game is on track but I want more responses to the poll. In particular, I need more responses to the optional question so I can zero in on the problem nations. So figure out what nations you like, take the poll, and then get ready for some good ol' fashioned ethnic cleansing.

docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdJ3gztsJwhzHnQ_pHXrU2XXzejR3hM26Ruwww-qQQM0i_UJQ/viewform

You'll also find links to the nation packs within. We're up to fifty-something for anyone curious, and when this is all said and done, I'm looking at having twenty or so for the final compilation. That's hopefully more than enough for anyone to find a favorite.

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>>160642945
thank you Amuys you can now go to bed

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>>160642945
Who is the best old hag and why is it the snake old hag?

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Not sure if anyone posted this, but nobody really said the game started.

Also, I hope every player is still around, but since this took 2+ weeks to get started I wouldn't be surprised if we have mass staling.

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>>160643848
>not bones

>>160643213
>docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdJ3gztsJwhzHnQ_pHXrU2XXzejR3hM26Ruwww-qQQM0i_UJQ/viewform
Post nation this thread pls

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Reposting for the new thread
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MokouIsHot
LA newbie game, starting at 13 players

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>>160644706

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>>160644706

Is CoE4 super ded now?

>>160645308
I still play it sometimes.

>waiting for Jotunheim and Mictlans turns in teaching feeling
>waiting for Altdorf and Slaaneshs turns in teaching feeling
Altdorf is malakal confirmed.

>>160645514
I meant to say meme throne there obviously.

>tfw about to backstab somebody for the first time

>>160645717
Better not be me motherfucker.

>>160644535
Post the what now?

>>160646348
Nations?

>>160646226
Depends. Who are you?

>>160646419
Check the link again senpai.

I just marked the one nation that I made a pretender for, and I'll go through the list again if it gets taken.

>>160646472
I'm a lot of people.

Threadly reminder that GinnungagapREBIRTH needs a sub for Fomoria and if I have to set him AI, I'll be a sad dude.

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>>160646419
Gakand, Sithis, Vitammen, Murmar, Sosunmori, and Kharis all have votes. Our packs can be found in that link or through this pastebin:

http://pastebin.com/CEdrsdJS

Pack One contains Abyss, Amazon, Apes, Atlant, Birds, Non-Existent Flying Monkeys, and Foulspawn. Pack Two contains Hoburg, Ichty, Illit, Lizard, Pale, Pygys, Snake, and Vae. Pack Three contains an extra Atlantian, Advanced Humans, Caveme, Ogres, and Tengu.

>>160646615
I just voted for the guys I wanted to play and two random ones because I needed to pick one from each section.

>>160646615
You should strongly consider first having people pick their nations and then making a mod that uses only the chosen nations.

This lets you have a mod that's as small as possible for Llamaserver and also lets you inject stuff like customized lore.

>>160646868
Is there a good way to do that without creating a Steam or dom4mods thread?

>>160646951
You could do it here, but then you'd be stuck waiting forever for the dude who called a nation and didn't make a pretender and have to deal with the pranksters taking nations that they didn't claim.

But aside from that, you don't need another thread.

>>160647029
I'd prefer the poll so late comers have a smoother time. The number of responses, however, isn't quite what I was hoping for. I may change tactics, and possibly select a nation of my own, if things don't improve.

Is there a trick to uploading the .dm into the inspector? I can't seem to get it to show me all the mages at once, only either half.

>>160648934
The poll thing doesn't work since people often have just one nation in mind and also people just don't use it because I've literally never seen it done before for any game.

I'd play a natgen game again but only a blind one. People dumpster-diving 40000000 nations just seems to result in the same problem I have with magic - someone finds some turn-3 win and the game stops being fun.

>>160649357
The dudes I plan on playing dont seem especially strong to me.

>>160649357
That's why the admin pregens the nations. The ones where people make their own look like that, but here we all see them and if anything's op we can point it out.

>>160646615
Gakand looks really good after viewing part 1.

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>>160643213
Like every other good, horrific admin out there, I've suddenly changed my mind.

We're scrapping the poll and switching to anonymous calls. Reply to this post or any subsequent posts like it, call TWO nations that you'd like to use, and I'll add them to our final nation compilation. I need TWO nations on the off chance that someone snipes your nation during pretender submission OR if I decide to not add it for some rational reason. If you don't give me TWO nations then I may decline your call so be sure to reply with TWO choices.

The following nations have already been submitted and will not need a call: Gakand, Sithis, Vitammen, Murmar, Sosunmori, Sogun, and Kharis. That leaves 18 more slots.

So good luck, good hunting, and may you all end up with the nations that you desire.

Can I submit my own nation to the nationgen or do I have to pick one that admin gives?
Or is it too late altogether?

>>160651332
I'm not comfortable with taking nation submissions.

You have fifty-three to pick from so hopefully something catches your fancy.

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>>160646615
>Murmar has both units with mundane research and magic power

>>160651206
Caevie and Cyaeguu'ylsm

>>160651414
I see two herbivore lizard nations each with one commander, and one mage.
Is this normal?
>Nationgen now has national rituals
Fucking sweet.

>>160652885
Now you can play both Drain 3 and Magic 3

>>160651206
Omens from Pack 1.
Tisor from Pack 2.

>>160651206
I already picked vitamins but in the interest of having other options I would also like to suggest Lustein as well.

Ok so I loaded nations in to test, but I can't recruit all the commanders I should be able too, and my other commanders have weird paths.

Tjaem and ???

Looking to join http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MokouIsHot but link to download betterarena is ded. Halp please, I am lost and confused.

>>160651206
I would like Sogun, Tjaem, Lucosjes, or Livria

Just got the 12 hour warning, and it's been 4 days.

So, uh, other ginnungagappers - how long should I keep looking before giving up and setting Fomoria AI?

>>160654121
Tjaem and Per-en

>>160654302
Well, it's been 6 days actually. I've extended four times.

>>160654202
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/better-arena-rewards.html
Ask and ye shall receive fuckboi.

>>160654202
There is this new service called google at www.google.com that you can use to search different things from the internet. Sounds crazy, I know. Go to their webpage, put "betterarena dominions mod" (without quotation marks) to the field and press the "google search" button. You will then see a list of different webpages, which will help you find what you are looking for.

Alternatively, check https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-jNQgOwI-Q_Z2VSZGpSVlZkX2s/view but only if you are not afraid of viruses.

>>160653043
>>160653714
That's not normal at all. Are you running other mods at the same time? You'll likely have a ton of ID conflicts if you activate more than 1 pack or maybe even something like summod. This could be the cause of the strange behavior.

To make sure it's working properly, check your nation against its preview image.

>>160651206
Which ones have good spells? I already checked all their units but I forgot to see if they had national spells and I am too lazy to go through everything again.

>>160654597
W-whoops

>>160654456
And how do I know shit I end up googling would be exactly same mod version server uses and there won't be endless stream of conflicts and errors, seven plagues, meteorite rains and diarrhea?

>>160654806
Well the diarrhea is just part of the Dominions™ experience

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Abysia how much are you paying this guy?

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>>160655129
His upkeep's lower than this guy

>>160655129
Jesus Christ. Are there any afflictions he doesn't have? That is one dedicated troll.

>>160655129

I'd pay him. That guy is still a very useful evo bait.

>>160654806

You don't, but angry google anon is too angry for such blandishments. He knows only hunger, and lusts for your soul.

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Uh oh.

>>160655489
The quintbless madman seems to be attacking a lot more than one person at a time.

>>160655540
>>160655489

Heh.

>>160655540
Where is he at?

>>160655540
To be honest, victory goes to those with courage.

>>160651206
I'd like Nadasunsa or Livria.

new memethrone turn

this map needs feedback, why is it easier to cross an ocean than to cross a river

>>160658339
Have you ever tried to cross a river IRL? Not as easy as you might think.

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>>160658606
I agree with this. Crossing a sea is as easy as floating along a flat surface. The rivers on the other hand have deadly currents and shallow depth.

>>160658895

Is that.. the HMS Peregrine?

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
>Jotunheim Waiting for 2h file
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
>Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Nazca 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Vanarus 2h file received
Sceleria 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>160651206
Sarhaneni and Tirbal sound like the most fun to me.

>>160659748
As I posted several times let's just rush that team, for multiple reasons.

>>160659748
>Played by Malakal
>Blood nation
>Waiting for 2h file
I have my own cow in the ditch regarding this game but this is going too far.

>>160651206
Per-en
Önes

Who is this Malakal dude everyone keeps talking about?

>>160661317
polish diplomonster plumber

>>160661383
>plumber
Like an actual plumber, or is this some kind of euphemism?

>>160661696
He's a lawyer. The plumber thing is a polish stereotype

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>>160661909
>He's a lawyer.
And here I thought that the plumber thing was supposed to be some kind of an insult compared to his real status.

Considering his gamestyle, being a lawyer suits him frighteningly well.

>>160661909
Do they have laws in Poland?

>>160663306

Arguably.

>>160663306
We crowned Jesus Christ as our king and sovereign yesterday. Does that answer your question?

this is the comfiest general i've ever been in, we don't even have a cancerous tripfag

I'm having problems deciding what to aim for with my nation. Like what spell or summons I should pick up. Is that jut something I have to learn by playing?

>>160663801
No, currently there are about 5 good meta strategies. 6 if the absolute madman who is currently playing Scales Lemuria actually wins.

>>160663878
Which are?

>>160663878
>playing Scales Lemuria
For what reason?

>>160663895
High scales
High Bless
Blood
Endless Chaff (Freespawn, reanimating and rushing Enchantment 5 with Death)
Early game rush followed by levering the advantage
Staying isolating until you can cast multiple very nasty globals rituals, forcing the other players to leave the game.

You can easily sort all par few of the nations in the game to each (or many) of the appliciable categories. The unsortable nations are invariably shit, Oceania etc.

>>160664164
You forgot something that involves tartarians and late game.

ANOTHER STALE FOR ULM. HELLO ADMIN???

>>160664312
FLATUS stands for Fuck LATe games like US.

Everyone having pathdepth 9 and research 9 on all schools doesn't really invoke strategy, just using your assets tactically.

>>160663878
>>160664164
Those are overall strategies, not specific strategies. MAPangea has nearly no reason to go for Evocation early on, whereas for MAAgartha it's almost a necessity to get evo-spam up to deal with early wars.

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>>160664546
Of courshe!
MAPangea can take High Bless for White Centaurs, High Scales for excellent troops or even switch scales around for another form of High Scales, generating Maenads.

MAAgartha in your scenario would want a modest bless if they intend to use their sacreds and High Scales to boost early expansion/mages/research.

Jotun-mictlan have W9B9N9.
I'll post a image later.

>>160664767
That tells you nothing about research goals which is what that dude was asking about

>>160665561
As if there weren't enough reasons to remove them already,

>>160665561

Purely defensive measure.

>>160665678

to ward off guys like this one.

>>160663714

Only because okofire is too stupid to work out how tripcodes work.

PLEASE VOTE ON THIS IMPORTANT POLL
SIGN THE PETITION!
http://www.strawpoll.me/11693545/r

>>160668286
Missing the "it depends" option

>>160668286
Todger should record a video telling everyone how sorry he is for whatever he done.

>>160668286
who the fuck is todger

>>160651206
I'd like Ondta or Lomix, please.

I seem to have some kind of bug with the Natgen mods. I only have a STR cap-only mage, and no other commanders, with all nations..

>>160649408
Same here, they seem about mid-tier with vanilla just different, which is where I prefer Nationgen balance to be, though obviously there's a wide scale.

But I'm also bad at evaluating nations so they could totally be worse or better than I think.

Do Solar Eagles make good SC?

>>160669140
>>160653714

Only enable one of the three packs at a time.

>>160669605
No.

>>160669951
Thanks, anon.

>>160665561
>>160665975
If Vanheim/Vanarus and Ashdod/Abysia fuck this up, we're all dead.

I hope you two teams are working together against these guys.

>>160655632
Only when accompanied by cunning

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>>160670458
Vanheim, Ashdod, Abysia, Ermor, Sceleria, Nazca and Asphodel are currently suffering from Techni(Mala)kal difficulties.

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>>160670458
I'm sure they will.

>>160668738
okofire's alternate account

>>160670659
Forgot Caelum.

>>160670721
This is the guy who went AI after I elfed 4 of his provinces in one turn. Let's wish Malakal good luck.

>>160668286
Todger was banned after event spamming and spamming in chat.

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Looking for 6 players for http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MokouIsHot
LA noob game

>>160654806
The game turns are resolved server-side, so you should still get the right item from the arena even with a wrong version of the mod AFAIK. But yeah, that was a mistake on my part to not actually check the link. Thanks Anon >>160654413, >>160654456.

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Are you ready?

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watch dem graphs real close

>>160672423

Adrenaline is pumping.
Adrenaline is pumping.

>>160672501
I gotta be honest Lemuria, the fact that your income is still in the ~3000 range is the most worrying part of this graph.

Thought to be fair, you're close to having fort+temple is literally every one of your provinces instead of just most and at that point your income will matter substantially less.

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Do your turns.

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>>160673916
I'm thinking of setting up Nexus. Have to alchemize shit to wish every turn. Anyway, next turn those income graphs will drop faster than Hillary exit polls.

>>160660734
>Önes
If that one doesn't show up in the final list, it's purely because I was too lazy to change their name to Ones.

>>160663949
It's a meme.

>>160668286
No you fucking idiot, he was spamming me with event messages and garbage for like 6 straight hours last time

Why would you even think it's a good idea to unban the cunt

>>160676548
Because that's Todger. That's why he thinks its a good idea to unban Todger.

>>160676548
>>160672242

Why are you idiots still in that awful Steam group lol

>>160651206
I don't understand why you're making this giant mess instead of doing what the other natgen admins did.

Just got an email saying Latus 4 will be removed in a week. Someone might want to do something about that.

>>160678875
Someone might. I'm not sure any of us do. It's dead Jim.

>>160674329

I told you there'd be stales. Gath and Midgard are probably not even aware the game has started.

I suggest admin sent a message from admin to tell everyone it's started. I filter all dominions turns to a specific folder except messages from admin, so I do not miss them. I'm sure others do the same.

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>>160672501

>>160672326

Would you guys accept a first timer?

>>160680290
it says "noob game" you baka, of course.
don't tell anybody who you are.

>>160680454
It's not like whe can't tell from the people still to join, double baka.

>>160680224
>i'm one of only three non-stalers
Jesus christ, I didn't think it was THAT bad.

>>160680554
shhhh those are secret spy tactics

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>>160680290
Absolutely. I've only been in two games and I'm the admin.

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>>160681792

>>160680224
I'm okay with ending this shitshow right now, if you all agree. I'm going to cast 3-4 armageddons for the next turns anyway, and I have a conjuration 20% site for infinite tarts. Basically, any province I conquer will give me +1 death gem (with dominion), and my freespawn is infinite. I can craft any item in existence, and the only possible counter to me (blood) will be extinguished by the inability to bloodhunt. There's still passive slave income sites, but who cares.

Make it easy for me yourself, and you won't have to suffer the usual late-game blues.

>>160680224

>Ragha blatantly cheats to get massive advantage early game
>stales 26 times during the game anyway as a big fuck you to the game

You guys got what you deserved. Should have just unstarted Latus 3 when it was revealed that Ragha was a complete faggot

>>160683506
What'd Ragha do?

>>160683567
He told me he wouldn't attack me but he attacked anyway.

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>>160683567

Abused a bug that made elephants super cheap, drowned his neighbors in elephants

>>160683567
Summod version used in Latus 3 has a slight issue of raghan elephants costing 10 gold instead of 110 gold. Have a guess how that went.

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>>160683774
see pic

>>160683982
also see pic but what the hell. Why'd the admin let that go by?

>>160684104
It was a known bug and Ragha said from the start that he was going to exploit the hell out of it. Ended up getting patched after his neighbor ragequit.

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>>160683982

>and then the thread is like 'ME is a meme'

>>160684104
Look at the staling screen. Admin is a fag.

>>160684201

After said neighbour got drowned in about 300 elephants

Is TNN shit or what

>>160683982
This map have my eyes cancer. Where can I donate to send author to graphic design courses?

>>160685550
The map is used because it's terrible. Your efforts would be wasted.

>>160685550
Go look how large Latus is. If you wanna remake it all in high quality go ahead.

>>160686126

If we want an xbox huge map, why don't we just use Glory of the Gods?

>>160687398
Latus is full of a bunch of insane wacky stuff like a plane of blood with blood sites everywhere, etc.

>>160685297

Yep. Anyone saying otherwise is a theorycrafting idiot. They get reliable A2, but fuck all in the way of good troops or sacreds worth a bless.

>>160687581
Yes. Maybe some day sum1won will stop buffing already dominant nations with summod and do something about TNN. (*In sarcastic monotone*)

>>160687581
But what about glamour raiding?

>>160688030
It pisses people off but doesn't win games.

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>>160682173

>>160688750

What is Bernie Sanders?

>>160688853
A sell out.

>>160688853
LA Atlantis: got fucked out of his natural habitat by dickheads, but is stronger because of it

>>160682592
I guess summod balancing is done with smaller games in mind. D1 site in every province isn't too bad on a map like Latus.

>>160689895

I thought it was limited to a maximum of 20 Deadlands or so?

>>160687581
eh? they have fir bolgs, a staple of decent chaff, their sacreds have glamour, good defense and magical weapons, plus obviously ponies everywhere. I suppose it's more about REMOVE ELVES.

>>160689895
To be fair, balancing with 50 provinces a player is kinda dumb.

>>160688750
>offhanded broad strokes by people with little to no knowledge of a subject

dunning-kruger never gets old

>>160687581
TNN has the best recruitable assassin in the game, the only nation that can natively kit their ponymen, and a decent sacred - not vanhere tier, but at the level of Helherdings easily.

They also have reliable A4 from capital (1/8 turns on average). They're hardly OP, but they're certainly better than many nations even after getting 0 buffs in summod (Machaka, Ur, Oceania, C'tis, Hinnom, probably a few others).

>>160692397
>confusing exaggeration and hyperbole for humorous effect with ignorance
Why is it that everyone who brings up dunnig-kruger is a great argument for it?

>>160692397
it's just a joke post, anon.

>>160692727
>assassins

>>160691856
>kinda dumb

Sum1won once told me the Latus is gonna be a mémé
It ain't the shittiest map in the thread
Balance was looking kind of dumb with the farms and the planes
In the shape of "Lemuria" in the lead
Well the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Burden of Time and I hit the dispel bouncing
Didn't make sense to live anymore
Your nation gets big but your turns gets stale
So much to do, so much to script
So what's wrong with going AI?
You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow
Hey now, you're an AI, get your game off, stop playing
Hey now, in that case I'm going AI, too

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>>160692901
You meter is off but the idea was good. Made me chuckle at least.

China do turn.

yomi dooooo your tuuuuuuurn in rubbaduuuuub

>>160693969
hmmmm.........

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Those foulspawn are sure popular, huh? Between the calls and poll responses, it seems like everyone wants to get their tentacles on them. Then again that could just be overlap.

In any case, those four are so popular that I'm just going to go ahead and announce that they've made the cut. This means that you better hide your daughters and farm animals because Ondta, Gakand, Lomix, and Caevie, will soon be on the prowl.

Unfortunately, that means I may have to delay our start. The compilation feature of NatGen changed three of the four foulspawn nations the first time that I ran it. I suspect that this time won't be different. I'll thus have to manually add these guys, and while I sort of know how to do that, I've never actually tried that before with so many entries. There's a real chance that I won't be able to get it working by Monday evening but there's also a good chance that it'll be piss easy thanks to forbidden IDs so keep your fingers crossed. I'll keep you guys posted.

On the bright side, I'm also still taking calls. Just remember to reply to this or that other one with TWO nations. Anything more or less and your choices may just get redlined right out of the game. Good luck!

>>160694762
sesgorice and caevie

>>160694762
Lustein and the orange trampling ichtyids if you would.

>>160694762
Lomix and Ondta, as I had previously claimed. Caevie is a viable substitute though.

>>160694762
Just literally copy/paste the nation code from the mods you've already shared. You do not need to generate any of the nations again.

>Full-Scales TNN

>>160697363
It's not that bad.

>>160697472
I actually agree that it's not, BUT your nation becomes dramatically better with N9Ex, and it's cheap enough that you still end up with solid scales. You lose very little by taking the bless and end up with far better thugs on account of the hp bump.

>>160694762
Aoisapoka and Garyahan.

Where's my EA Native American nation with sacred, trampling, size 4 bison

>>160699971
Something like Marverni boars?

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>>160696537
The Foulspawn codes aren't that simple. When they're changed from something like montag 1000-1004 to montag 1005-1009, new names are generated and a host of other changes take place. Caevie, for instance, had its sacred Just Scout switched with a brand new set of sacred Elite Ranged Foulspawn.

I owe you guys a chance to get the nations that I promised so stuff like that can't fly.

>>160700631
You misunderstand me. You don't need to change any of the code from the mods that you've created. You copy and paste the block of code directly from the .dm file into the new combined .dm file. You do not change the montag.

>>160700460
yeah, with beastmaster priests that have deep nature and earth magic and animal awe, but fuckall armour. National summons can be shit like Wendigos with death magic

>>160701058
Wendigos are n LA Atlantis mythos, not buffalo-worshippers.

>>160701138
Wendigos are Pacific Northwest though?

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>>160700729
I'm definitely confused. Are we talking about what I have in the pic?

>>160701265
And buffalos are Great Planes.

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>>160701364
No. You literally open the .dm file (nationgen_racewarbeta1of2.dm), find the nation you want to use, and copy/paste the block of code that has all of that nation's units and so on.

>>160701364
Outside of natgen, in the mod itself.

>>160688750
Yomi also lost the popular vote

>download dom4 without having plaued any dominions game before (?) or any games like this for this matter but i'm desperate for something to play
>played 2 hours and having F U N
Got a couple of questions
I picked Demilich because fuck yeah liches but I have no idea what do starting magic schools do, so I put all of them at 1. I fucked up didn't I? Can I raise them ingame? And do they help outside of combat?
Also, I noticed the Awakened, sleeping or imprisoned options for your god. If I chose Awakened, should I use the Pretender to conquer shit or what? Right now he's sitting in my city researching and forging.

>>160701531
>>160701823
That's very easy but wouldn't I still have to go through and manually change the IDs?

>>160702525
>Awakened to conquer shit
That's generally the plan but you picked a pretender that can't easily move.

>>160702525
Well, the short answer is that yes, you fucked up. A demilich is immobile, so all it can do for you right now is research. Depending on what nation you're playing, it can at least get you a leg up on your research, and you can just use your national troops and mages to beat the AI. In general, though, you want to specifically take magic paths to let you make certain items, cast certain spells, or provide a bless (a benefit to sacred troops based on the paths you chose on your god). While you can increase the paths with empowerment, it's very rarely a good idea to do so.

>just took my first province
Khorne stronk

>>160702727
Only if there's overlap with the other natgen mods, in which case just change the not-foulspawn IDs.

>>160702727
IDs might need changing, might not.
>manually
Just use a find-replace for the first digits for all (or broad swaths) of them.

>>160702858
Is this a jest?

Anyone have the picture guide to combat size or whatever it was? I want to know how close I have to put some of my mages.

>>160702908

He's genned them in batches. There's probably gonna be a bunch of overlap.

Okay guys, get ready to be memed

LA Ulm

Members of the Second Tier

Eye of Innocence
Black heart
Starshine Skullcap

Script to spam soul slay

150g, 20 pearls and 10 slaves, sometimes only 10 pearls if you get lucky with randoms, the perfect assassin

>>160703087
>>160703001
It doesn't actually take that long to make changes like this.

>>160703334
Well, compared to all the stuff h e did to get to this point, no. But there's still no need to do it inefficiently.

>>160703318
>tries to assassinate 25 scout
>gets shot in the face

Also, what you actually want is just the black heart and a few blood slaves and script to cast Leech. No save, high AN damage. It'll kill just about any human in one cast. Because it's AoE1, it'll often kill bodyguards too.

>>160703460
Assuming you're >>160703001 , I was responding to >>160703087 to explain that it's easy to make the changes using the method you listed.

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>>160703086
I hope that Dom5 changes this setup a bit so that the east and west battlefield limits aren't quite so close to each other

>>160703318
>eye of innocence
Waste of mage turn and pearls

What's a good bless for Ys? I got the impression W9N9 tended to be good in general, but I just realized all their mages are sacred. Is Earth worth it for the reinvigoration? Or would it be better to stick to a monobless like W9 and get more scales?

>>160703491
What I want to use this for is putting like 3 in a fort that is generating thugs and kill them before they get geared. Worth it to slap an enchanted ringmail haubergeon on 'em to avoid getting shot and killed by a shortbow?
>>160703957
To avoid losing them while they walk through my opponent's bloodhunting provinces

>>160702525
Welcome!
Yes, that was a bad idea. You can Empower the unit (kind of an eh idea) by clicking its order (on the left, by the icon) and selecting Empowerment. It's more expensive to put it up to level 1 than it is to go from level 1 to 2. This permanently raises it at a gem cost. You can also craft any of a bazillion items that boost its magic paths while the item is equipped.

Magic paths outside of combat let you cast ritual magic (click their order on the left as before, click "Cast Ritual Spell") and craft items (if you don't have the minimum level or path, you can't make specific items)

Awakened gods are generally used to smash shit early on, and are used when nations have otherwise poor expansion capabilities. Some strategies also might use them to reach certain research goals very fast (especially if they have research-buffing abilities like Inspiring Researcher). Dormant gods are for if you don't need a god right away (frequent) but still want one soonish (say, to war with after you have basic gear made for it), imprisoned are for either really late game or "I don't really need it."

Learn the hotkeys (click "?" at any screen), and be prepared to read a lot. There's a ton of shit and it'll be confusing, but it's beautiful. Our wiki in the OP might be of some help, the manual is mostlyish accurate.

Beat up the AI a few times to learn the basics of the game, then join a multiplayer game and prepare to lose terribly. Ask us for anything you need.

>>160704168
What is the thug chassis? In most cases, leech is better than soul slay just by virtue of being irresistible. A soul contract would also be better than soul slay against almost anything.

>>160704046

Any nation that isn't entirely undead benefits from an Ex bless.

>>160702754
>Depending on what nation you're playing
I rolled Mitclan, didn't see an option to change nation but even so it was my first game. Damn, I never liked that aztec/maya look, I wanted some cool shit
What's their deal anyway, crappy units but good mages?

>>160704794

Blood magic and massable sacred troops, generally. Although it does vary by age. MA is less big on the blood magic.

>>160704794
They're a bit complicated, but they do two things - everything they use is sacred, so they enjoy having a big bless, and they have special summons that use blood slaves. Some of these summons are awesome troops (ozelotls), others are amazing asassins. They're a blood nation and a sacred nation. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSZL0W3aQGA&list=PLXa4InahZRZkqRrmqug0C4t1Zvgzo0vRm for a playthrough with Mictlan.

>>160704794
Jaguars, shitloads of jaguars.

>>160704343
Just theorycrafting at this stage, though I hope to test it out soon. Leech is Fatigue 100 though, you can't machine gun it like you can soul slay, meaning that if your initial cast doesn't kill your target immediately (anything with high HP like giants or tartarians) your dude is likely to die. Soul contracts summon devils, which aren't stealthy though?

>>160705137
Leech restores fatigue to the caster.

>>160705137

It replenishes fatigue, and is perfectly accurate. You can ABSOLUTELY machinegun it.

>>160705137
I meant lifelong protection.

>>160703072
Which part?

>>160705473
How can you only have taken one province by now?

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>>160644706
8 noobs out of 13 have joined so far.

>>160705603
I'm just relaxing and taking it easy, you know? I don't feel any major need to rush.

>>160705393
>more unstealthy units
nigga are you trolling me
>>160705137
Oh shit i forgot about that. Well, that's certainly something to consider. Maybe spam leech, finish off with a soul slay if something is still standing?

>>160705768
lifelong protection summons 2 imps per turn in combat. It doesn't summon them outside of combat. It's like having skellyspam, but the mage doesn't need to cast for them to keep being spammed out.

>>160705768

It doesn't fucking matter if combat summons are stealthy or not. Do you think Water Elementals from bottles need stealth?

>>160705723
>major need to rush
>PANIC

>>160705723
Probably shouldn't relax too hard. The map is more cramped than it looks.

>>160705768
Life for Life murders most shit just fine

>>160705965
>>160705853
Yet more failures on my part. Is it obvious I don't play a lot of blood nations?

Should I generally go for a rainbow pretender on MA Pythium? The whole Theurg stuff seems pretty suited for that

>>160706194

Higher research, less spammable.

>Abysia went AI

Well I guess they won't be trading with ghosts anymore now =)

>>160706296

Sacred communion slaves. You want N9Ex.

>>160706297
>>160706194
Also B3, which MotST don't have

>>160705976
>>160706070
All I need is someone to fight and I'll be happy. And I'm surrounded by chaos so shouldn't be hard to find a fight.

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>>160706368
But that seems so generic

>>160706491

It's popular because it's really fucking good?

It makes running communions a LOT easier.

>>160706321
Agartha was already conquering them with little fuss.

>>160706671
In the state that they were in Ulm could probably have taken them.

How's everyone else doing anyway?

>>160706865
I got three provinces and a high possibility of an ork invasion in the future.

>>160707206
Started near them? I've very intentionally avoided figuring out where anyone else is.

>>160707601
Got a message from morka which doesn't especially bode well. Plus its not exactly hard to tell where everyone is with fixed starts, especially because I'm the one who fixed them.

>>160707828
Oh we were taking the piss when you asked before, he sent that to everyone.

>>160706640
So this will effectively give me almost unlimited stamina?

>>160707913
You shitlords.

>>160708106

Not unlimited, but it does make it significantly harder to murder all of your communion slaves with fatigue.

>>160708171
In fairness since it's orks they'll want to murder everyone anyway.

>>160706296
>>160706368
Honestly, if I were to play them again, I'd go Awake/Dorm SC. They are rush bait in the hands of most players.

>>160708314
I mean, it's still very easy to do, it just makes it possible to use like 2 masters without killing your slaves.

>>160682592
On the one hand, I wish this was a real game that would be worth playing. I wanna keep stealing Ragha and somehow use that against you. On the other hand I'm the only one even considering opposing you and I'm kinda suckin ass at that.

rubbadub squids what are you even doing

you are the only one that can stop the game from ending by holding that 3-point throne. are you even fighting anyone

Game: CastInTheNameOfBobYeNotGuilty

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Gath Waiting for 2h file
Jomon 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
Midgard 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
Ragha 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

reeeeee Gath

>>160706841
Nope. I had zero income and only a fort full of wolves and priests to hold off death. My vamps were able take on everything except their N9 E9 sacreds but that's just because of a lack of mage support.

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Domballs seem like a largely unexplored artform. I'm bored, suggest me some domballs to draw. Or should I call them Domgballs? Dongballs?

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>>160717056
Dominionball, generally.

There are a bunch already.

>>160717056
Draw ErmorOP balls where all nations of the world unite to face the overwhelming threat and save the world NOT

>>160717056
Domball comic of Sceleria marching into Ermor, Ermor triggering the cataclysm and Sceleria/Ulm/Marignon/C'tis/Pythium becoming independent

>>160717056

Make a dongball about Ermor casting BoT and everyone getting really mad about it, yet doing nothing.

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>>160717128
I know there's a bunch out there(I made some of them) I was just wondering what we should call them. Dominionballs work, I guess.

>>160717142
If you could post a synopsis of that game I'd appreciate it, I wasn't part of it.

>>160717192
Didn't Sceleria only appear after the cataclysm? I'll need to read up on my lore.

>>160717245
Noted.

>>160717192
>>160717423

Yes, Sceleria was one of the post-Cataclysm splinter nations.

>>160717423
Okay, here's the Ermor lore in Dom4 (which is different from Dom3 lore).

In EA, Ermor conquered the world and all was well. Then there was this prophecy that the Emperor was going to doom the empire, so the lads that predicted this tried to overthrow the emperor with his twin brother. Just as the rebels were about to capture the capital, the emperor had his augurs drop a superweapon which nuked the empire, creating MA Ermor. The rebel offshoots created Sceleria, and were basically the result of people who predicted the zombie apocalypse gathering together all the priest mages that they could to fight it.

>>160717509

ErmorOP was (is?) a game. Spoiler: Ermor wins

>>160717659
Oh, and Mari/Pythium/Ulm all were part of Old Ermor and split off after the cataclysm. Sceleria and Pythium both made a claim to being the real empire, but Mari and Ulm were just their own kingdoms based on the preexisting conquered peoples that were kinda 'modernized' by Ermor or whatever you want to call that

>>160717423
Basically Thaumaturgs foresaw the Cataclysm and lead revolt against the Emperor in order to prevent it. However, when the rebels (Sceleria) marched against Eldergate, Augurs formed a communion to defend the capital but they fucked up and things got spooky as foretold.

>>160717783

Meanwhile, C'tis looks on and quietly shakes it's head.

They told 'em. They told 'em about death rituals bro.

>>160718058
Oh yeah. Ermor got its death magic (both for the thaumateurgs and for the augurs) from C'tis, which they had sorta colonized. The lizards were like "Screw humans, you ruin everything" and then the miasma happened which may or may not be related or intentional.

>>160718058
>>160718170
Yeah, I knew about that bit. The bit that confused me was that this was different back in Dom3, thanks >>160717659

are there any nations that get a synergy with crossbreeding?

>>160718643
yeah, in dom3 there was the undead jesus thing causing the cataclysm instead

>>160718727
summod abysia and kinda-sorta MA Pan (they have the best buff paths and easy access to casting it, but rarely need/want to)

>>160718787
I sort of want to try Freak Lord pretender and rush manual of cross-breeding. Is this just a bad idea?

Seems like vine-men are a much better option for supplementary units.

There a bigger version of Tangle Vines? Nature-based entanglement. Quick skim of inspector says "no", but might've missed it.

>>160719417

Tests have been done. It's never great. Usually better uses for slaves.

>one person is holding up rubbadub, vanillacat, memethrone, and bob

>>160721254
>one person is holding up rubbadub, vanillacat, memethrone, and bob
Wow they must be pretty stong haha
Like, physically

>>160721254
Sent my turn in already, just waiting for it to process.

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>>160717245
made this

not exactly what you described but whatever, close enough

not based on any actual game

>>160722473

I love it. I will use this everytime people start arguing about MA Ermor

>>160723070
Does anybody really argue about MA Ermor so much anymore? I thought we'd moved onto more advanced memes.

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>>160711558
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
If anyone has suggestions on how to kit a golem to kill Ba'als, monotliths, that Earth Mother pretender chassis on that one throne, and trillions of angry african tribesmen, please write to:
Rubbadub Riley
1 Squid Way
R'lyeh, USA

>>160719509
Storm of Thornes

TIL Chthonian is pronounced "thonion" like onion with the th from "thought"

>>160724167
mass low prot tribesmen should be the easiest enemy ever

dont you have research and mages?

>>160719509
Wild Growth. Quite high in research, though.

>>160724263
>>160724548
Thanks. Those are both quite high, jeez.
I guess only earth gets to have cool grabbing crowd control

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>>160724415
Actually I have no idea what Machaka's armies are like. I've only been watching Hinnom v Kailasa and idk how to take out either of their forces.
Hinnom uses a fatigue neutral Ba'al that he probably got out of a let's play and Kailasa uses a big dumb rock with 283045283085 hit points.
I didn't really have a game plan, plus my research is lagging because my researchers are mostly insane, I'm out of money and my fire gem income sucks. But at least if someone attacks the throne I can put 2000 polypal spawns in that fort. I think I fucked up by going all in on polypal spawns in the early game since it turns out they're useless and damage capped to 1 so even if you cast big buffs they're still utterly worthless and just route your mages when they die. I got the idea from playing Ermor in single player but Ermor's skellies don't run away and do more than 1 damage. Whoops.
I already met both my game objectives (don't die first & put up a silly global spell) so I don't mind sitting in the sea waiting for Master Enslave or Wish. But if I smell blood in the water there's always golems and skelly spam.

>>160725338
Empower your highest astral mind Lord and start making mind vessels.

>>160724319
It's not. The first o in chthonion represents the vowel from "dog", and the first o in onion is the vowel from "fun". Also you should technically pronounce the c even though most people don't.

>>160725751
Why empower? The spell is only S3 iirc. I have a lot more S than 3.
Also does it not affect just the caster? I haven't cast the spell because I didn't see the value in turning my higher research value fish insane.

>>160725338
just attack somebody in an area where they dont have troops. as uw you have nothing to lose by doing so

>>160726172
You have a mind lord cast it on an androleth and the androleth gets the mind lord's astral skill. Use a S5 mind lord, get a S5 androleth.

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>>160723208
Well, yeah, but vintage memes are p cool as well.

>>160726025
Source? Wikipedia lists /ˈθoʊniən/

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>>160726318

>>160726293
Yeah but the androleths are all insane. Well, I'll give it a shot though.
If the mind lord has S boosters (coin, ring etc) does the resulting androleth gain that boost?

>>160726505
I don't think so? IIRC it's only natural skill.

>>160726439
Google agrees with me, first of all. And
>oʊ
This is also not the vowel in "onion".

>>160726505
It doesn't, no. Only empowerment adds to it.

That said, it's almost never worth empowering. I'd rather have 7 S5 base mages than 2 S6 base mage.

>>160726682
Yeah, the vowel thing isn't exact, but the C is silent (also according to google. Not sure where you see anything that doesn't have only the soft TH at the front). /ˈTHänik/ is the thing I see when I google Cthonian

>>160726820
Look at the greek root.

>>160717192
I'm gonna do this tomorrow, need to sleep now. Have this in the meantime:

https://youtu.be/cHa1JVQQx3s?t=2m4s

How do you pronounce Önes?

>>160729681
Before I pronounce Twos.

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>>160729764

>go to sleep for 5 hours
>Itza still hasn't done their turn
At this point I would normally say I have a new target but I dont want none of that fight.

You arent getting this fortress White you son of a bitch, I hope you are ready siege your way through a million wolves and ogres.

Why would you use the crone over one of the other human type pretenders? They all have some sort of bonus while she has nothing but old age.

>>160732409
She is a whopping 10-20 points cheaper.

>>160732409
slots

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>>160722473

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Is this an innovative strategy?

>>160736268
firestooooooooooorm

>>160736268
That's just N nations. Swarm and buffs are each good on their own. Together they look like a meme.

>>160736268
cast will of the fates on it

>>160736268
Communion up for pen bonus and cast Army of Rats, it'll be like a horror movie.

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>>160736363
Casting Fire Fend was worth every gem.

The battle is actually pretty cool looking, like a scene out of hell with the blood rain and fire flying everywhere while the warriors keep on marching.

>tfw you forgot to move your armies last turn

>>160736695
This game needs more dominionsballs

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Elite Warrior! Survives many battles! He is sure to lead the charge in battles to come. =)

>>160737158
I'm sure no zombie bears will show up to kill his commander.

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>identifying quadbless

Yep it's quadbless.

>>160737262
How do you actually deal with blood vengeance without killing your own guys?

>>160737332
Avoid triggering it, tank the hits, or beat the MR check.

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>>160737251
Slow down Agartha a little, while you're at it. =(

>>160737456
Lets think about this
>take out ghosts who kill the population and infinitely spawn more troops
>or fight agartha

>>160737682
>Let Agartha keep growing while sieging castles forever in provinces that give no gold
>or fight Agartha
The choice seems easy to me =)

Are you playing to Agartha's win or your own?

>>160694762
Do I have to do this again for it to count?

Tisor and Omen.

>>160737828
Maybe you should have though about that before pushing into my lands. Generally if you shouldn't attack someone the same turn you offer peace. Plus its not like I'm not getting some of that Abysia pie.

Whats up with these fucking random provinces with 3 wind mages in them?

>>160737945
I attack every turn until peace is resolved. When I do not have a means of beating Atlanteans in a fair fight, I must raid.=)

Also, you quite publicly declared that we were at war before I attacked you. You have turned around my attacks very well, and I will enjoy continuing to fight you, but I do not want to fight you if it means that we let Agartha continue to grow unabated. =(

I will try to raid Agartha too, but I know that it is not enough to limit their growth, especially since you are soon to force me to use more units defensively. =(

>>160737262
It's actually a quintbless and you're late on revealing it

>>160737945
I'm not in your game but you have my moral support in beating that faggot just so I can stop seeing his shitposting. Godspeed.

>>160738319
Minors don't count bruh.

>>160738208
Best prepare yourself to continue attacking then. I'd sooner kill you off quickly and then prepare for fighting someone else rather than fight a war on two fronts.

>>160738440
You cannot kill me off quickly. You know this. =/