/twg/- Total War General

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>>159928439
Rollan!

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Anyone played the Master of Strategy mod for Shogun 2? It's comfy as fuck but I feel like you gotta plan real good or else you're gunna get fucked and I don't think I've done that well.

Anyone got any tips?

>>159928513

Kemmler and Gelt buffs when?

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BRING OUT YOUR DEAD
http://www.strawpoll.me/11622238
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Today is the day.

COME ON WOOD ELVES.

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>there won't be a historic total war for a few more years
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH /TWG/

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It is now November. An unbidden chill steals over the forest. The boughs lie heavy with frost, condemned to an early winter. Gaurach-Dúin in the tongue of the Asrai, it is a time of stillness and a time of dread. The fey spirits to whom the protection and provision of the Asrai is entrusted are consigned to an unshakable somnolence, unable to fulfill their sacred trust. The Wood Elves, deprived of their sturdiest companions, are forced to toil for themselves. It is the final horror. Some kinbands retreat deep into the roots of the wood, unable to countenance debasing labor and the necessity of work. In the halls beneath the Oak of Ages, The Sisters of Twilight nestle close to one another. Many are the Asrai who join their Dryad sisters in pursuit of warmth and the long sleep that stretches across seasons.

But the forest has need of its guardians, and will not abide dereliction of duty. Naieth preaches dire auguries in the early coming of the Season of Stillness. To those who have known Gorposting, Goblins and embarrassing rats, a still greater terror lurks. A great sorcery wrought in rain-cursed Albion will thrust the Asrai to the fore of the outside world's unsightly struggles and toil; The strange world of wageslavery can be ignored no longer.

Wood Elves Soon.

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We'll always be friends, won't we, Gobbla?

I want to start playing Medieval 2 campaign again but I don't want to play vanilla. I heard stainless steel is good but I don't know any others. Are the any mods for better textures or more units?

>>159930557
Try stainless steel, it's very good

>>159928439
I'd really want to know what LLs the WElves will get.

Hoping for the following ones:

>Orion (As faction leader and for good reason)
>Ariel (What's the King in The Woods without his waifu?)
>Durthu (Because he was since forever in Athel Loren even before the HElve colonists moved in and became WElves)

DLC LLs:
>Naestra and Aranah (Though how they make the whole fluffy thing with "if one dies and the other still lives then the slayed one comes back to life" is a big question for me)
>Drycha (Face it, you want the cunt Dryad)

>>159931590
We won't get both the Sisters of Twilight and Ariel. Which is another way of saying we won't get Ariel, because one choice has rules in the tabletop, interesting items for quests, and a choice of flashy mounts, while the other doesn't.

We'll be lucky if we get three LLs off the bat. I'd really like to see Durthu. Drycha might come with an update that adds branchwraiths.

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Reminder that there's no need to argue over who the old friend is

so any neat performance boosts, Im sad the game runs like buts and wondering if anyone has discovered anything in the duration the games been out

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>>159928439
Threadly reminder that the following are rightful Asur clay, and therefore rightful Asrai clay so from now on please refer to them with their correct names.
Dietershafen - Athel Toralien
Marienburg - Sith Rionnasc
Altdorf - Kor Vanaeth
Talabheim - Athel Maraya
Kislev - Athel Numiel
L'Anguille - Tor Alessi
Thank you

>>159931892
>runs like buts
I've recently played some Shogun 2 again and it looks way worse and has partially worse performance than Warhammer. It is well optimized, but it does require beefy hardware. There won't be any magical performance boosts.

>>159931805
Who knows?

If they managed to turn Helman Ghorst into an interesting and fun LL, then they can do the same with Ariel (yet that would require some work on it).

Also she had rules and a model, and has FIVE items, so she definitively counts.

And yes, now I'll use the link to the Warhammer Fan Wiki because the items are not written down on Lexicanum.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ariel#Wargear

>>159931815
Believe me, I'd want him so badly that I'd turn Tzeentchian and manipulate space/time/dimension to make it happen...only for Tzeentch to go full NO FUN ALLOWED and blow my hopes away.

>>159932025
>THIS NIGGA ELF

Wait for Legendary Heroes and for Gotrek and Felix. There was a good reason that Teclis didn't want to rustle Gotrek's jimmies.

>>159932025
Dietershafen is Archaon's birthplace though I recall Erengrad has a High Elf colony.

>>159931590
They announced that WE arent until the second expansion.

>>159932174
So we'll have to wait a bit longer.

>>159932145
I was going by pre war of vengance elf colony locations. All the ones I named coincide with their Empire/Bretonnia equivalents.

>>159932125
Thats some seriously dusty rules you are referncing. Most of them like the Oak of Ages and the Wand of Wych Elm got repurposed to different things in the multiple subsequent editions of the game where she didn't have rules. (The same editions from which we get the Sisters of Twilight, who are her representatives on the field of battle.)

Since we live in a Ghorst and Alberich world anything could happen, but it's not the safe bet.

>>159932303
Like I said...WHO KNOWS?

Maybe CA will surprise us?

For now WE WAIT.

>>159932174
What they actually announced was that it'd be here before christmas.

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>>159932025

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REMOVE GROT remove grot
you are worst grot. you are the runt idiot you are the squig smell. return to Karak Eight Peaks. to our savage orc cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the pig pen….WAAAGH , hobbies we will never forgeve you. Beardy stuentis FUck but fuck asshole grot stink hobbi sneaky git..cave runt bashin best day of my life. take a bath of dead grot..WAAAAAAAAAGHhobbies WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget Chaos Stunty scrap .fatties we kill the overtyrant, fatties return to your precious mountains of moan….hahahahaha idiot gobbo and hobbie smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE GROT FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. humies+stunties+pansys+fatties=kill ratty…you will WAAAAGH/ Gorbad alive in black crag, Gorbad making WAAAGH of black crag . brutal waaahg gorbad black crag. we are brutal and kunnin now wwwagh because of gorbad… you are rrunty stink grot… you live in a tent hahahaha, you live in a cave
garbod alive da bestezt in black crag ….fuck the ratties ,..FUCKk ashol grots no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur banna and warboss. gorebad aliv and real strong warboss smash all the cave runt squigs with morglor now we the black orcs rule .squig of the drops warlard skersnok fukc the great grot and lay mushroom this mushroom spawn and skersnik wa;s born. stupid runt form the shroom give bak our mountin we will crush u lik a skull of snottie. Black crag bestst crag

No AE , no 1212 , no DEI 2 , no Neet elves .

What can I do?

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>>159933180
you know what to do

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TODAY
IS
THE
DAY

KEKOLD!

ELEPHANT!

Just got Empire Total War
Should I play vanilla first or install some mods? Also, I'm playing on a laptop and it's very hard to read unit descriptions or event descriptions since the font is so blurry and small. Any mod to fix that?

>dumb elfposters will claim that every day is the day for an entire month
This is great.

>>159933596

>He thinks today isn't the day

>>159933596
>Dumb kangzposters won't get to post it at all

>>159933626
Lets laugh at the faggot

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>>159933596
>>159933626
>>159933647
>>159933648
c'mon guys

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>>159933647
>lashing out at based tombposters, just because you know their faction is better
Damn, anon.

I really hope they do something about lord characters. it just really bothers me when you have a hard fought battle, only to lose because their single lord/hero manages to route what ever is left of your army.

Anon's 110% Accurate Guide To Upcoming LLs For Each Faction:
(3rd for each is DLC/expansion.)

>High elves
Tyrion, Teclis, Imrik.
>Wood elves
Araloth, Naestra & Arahan, Durthu. (Orion and his wild hunt will be an uncontrollable waaargh-stack type affair.)
>Dark elves
Malekith, Morathi, Malus Darkblade (wins over Hellebron because CA love their quest chains).
>Tomb kings
Settra, Neferata, NAGASH.
>Lizards
Kroak, Kroq-Gar, Tenenhuin.
>Skaven
Queek, Thanquol, Skrolk (same DLC as Tenenhuin).
>Chaos dorfs
Some dude on a flying cow, some other dude not on a flying cow.
>Ogres
Golgfag, Skrag
>Daemons
Ka'bandha, Fatewaver, N'kari, Skabieathrax. Also some heralds CA has just made up.

>>159933904
>Implying Sisters of Twilight will be in.
>Implying Orion won't be the faction leader

>>159933904
NO DLC FOR DLC, your list is shit

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>>159933904

>Settra, Neferata, NAGASH.

>Fagash the Weak
>When Akhan the Real Nigga exists

Naw

>>159933904
>spoiler
weaklings not allowed.

>>159932748
REMOVE GROT remove grot
yer worst grot. yer da runt idiot yer da sqwig smelie. return ter Karak Eight Peaks. ter our savaj ork cousins ya may cumz our contry. ya may liv in da pig pen….WAAAGH , 'obbiss weeb will neva forgeve ya. Beardy stuentis ZOGG but zogg asshole grot stink 'obbi sneaky git..cave runt bashin bestest day o' mi life. take a bad o' dead grot..WAAAAAAAAAGHHOBBISS WEEB WILL GIT YA!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! Waaagh!! du nub forget Kaos Stunty scrap .faddiss weeb kills da overtyrant, faddiss return ter yer per-cious mountains o' moan….'ahahahaha idiot gobbo an 'obbie smelie so bad..wow i kan smelie it. REMOVE GROT FROM DA PER-MISZ. ya will git caught. 'umies+stuntiss+pansys+faddisseqwalskills raddy…ya will WAAAAGH/ Gorbad aliv in blak crag, Gorbad makin' WAAAGH o' blak crag . brutul waaahg gorbad blak crag. weez brutul an kunnin nows wwwagh koz o' gorbad… yer rrunty stink grot… ya liv in a tent 'ahahaha, ya liv in a cave
garbod aliv da bestezt in blak crag ….zogg da raddiss ,..FUCKK ashol grots no gud i spit in da gob eye o' ur banna an warboss. gorebad aliv an reeel strongg warboss smash awl da cave runt sqwigs wif morglor nows weeb da blak orkiss ruul .sqwig o' da drops warlard skersnok fukc da great grot an lay mushroom dis mushroom spawn an skersnik wa;s born. stoopid runt form da shroom giv bak our mountin weeb will crump u lik a skull o' snoddie. Blak crag bestst crag

>>159934056
FLC is possible for DLC

>>159934068
I'm kinda hoping for Khatep instead.

He needs more love.

>>159934148

Kangz have a lot of Lord characters that all bring something unique to the table

>>159933904
>ka'bhanda
Yes please I'll take two

Playing Charlemagne right now. Is there any reason to make your settlements courts instead of churches? They have noe benefit compared to churches or trade cities.

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>>159933596

>>159934215
I think courts get some special military building options or some economy building options.

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>>159930172
I feel ya man.
They havent even hinted at the period yet.

>>159934578
right, just found out about it. Thanks.

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This one goes out to all the wandering Grail Knights out there in service ze lady. No matter where you are in a lonely copse of trees sitting by the fire,exploring the Old World or in a cave filled with goblins and squigs...we're always thinking of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8IwBlgxyss [Embed]

I don't know if you can see the changes that have come over me
In these last few days I've been afraid that I might drift away
So I've been telling old stories, singing songs, that make me think about where I come from
That's the reason why I seem so far away today

CHORUS
Let me tell you that I love you and I think about you all the time
Bretonnia you're calling me and now I'm going home
But if I should become a stranger you know that it would make me more than sad
Bretonnia's been everything I've ever had

I have moved and I've kept on moving, proved the points that I needed proving
Lost the friends that I needed losing, found others on the way
I have tried and I've kept on trying, stolen dreams, yes there's no denying*
I have traveled hard sometimes with conscience flying somewhere in the wind

CHORUS

Now I'm sitting here before the fire, the empty room the forest choir
The flames that couldn't get any higher they've withered now they've gone
But I'm steady thinking, my way is clear and I know what I will do tomorrow
When the hands have shaken and the kisses flow then I will disappear

CHORUS
-----------

Bretonnia you're calling me and now I'm goiiiiiiing home!

Why does Age of Charlemagne feel so much better than the grand campaign?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6oWExnoRQ

Best TW for fucking over the british?

>>159935375
>brit
>saved it

fuck off potato muncher

>>159935292
Less town/city fights.

Seriously, I think 90% of all my fights in Attila have been nothing but god damn city battles.

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We're soon to defend Athel Loren from everyone in the confines of our very comfy forest whilst the world goes to shit.

Feels good.

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>>159935292
- City Building is less frustrating and thought through.
-Family System is less frustrating and thought through
- Cavalry is weaker (thank fucking god) due to CA thinking it through for once
- Timeframe vaguely reminds you of shit tier middle ages and satisfies your unsatiable hunger for medieval 3
- You have different cultural enemies at your border with most factions, instead of being surrounded by your own culture like in the grand camapign at the beginning.
- Since the campaign is smaller you get to field good looking troops early on and can enjoy using them, while in the grand campaign you will mainly use guy with green shield and yellow tunic with sword for most of the beginning. And by the time you are able to recruit decent looking units the game becomes a slog in the campaignmap.

Don't get me wrong Attila is great but so frustrating at the same time.

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Reveal on the 17th? Release on the 1st?
or Reveal on the 24th? Release on the 8th?

>>159936036

Reveal on the 1st, release on the 22nd

>>159936074
Sounds about right.

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>>159936074
Don't tease me!
They need leeway to apply any hotfixes before they all bugger off on their Christmas holidays. So no later than the first 2 weeks of December is the release date.

I suspect Waterfall2 is in fact a free Morghur beastmen LL with 3 new units.

Meant to add pic related to my first post.

>>159936036
Reveal on the 1st. Release on the 15th ;^)

>>159935292
It's more comfy, there's no Atilla out to get you and you aren't dreading the climate change events wiping out your empire.

Atilla is a time of Empires being destroyed, Charlemagne is building them.

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I am dying Ancient empires, dying...

>>159936757

What's ancient empires?

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>>159936757
Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war

>>159936829
A mod that just makes Rome 2 for Atilla

It's been coming out "soon" for months

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>>159936829
Oh, it's not anon. Ancient Empires is just he embodiment of my dying dreams and will to live haha

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>>159935375
swappe Brit rule for EU. Enjoy those Somalian ghettos in Dublin.

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>>159936757

>warhammer trilogy finally completed
>ancient empires campaign still not out

>warhammer has its own development team, historical titles will be untouched
>no historical titles until warhammer is completed

either the first was a lie or they redirected the charlemagnes to the chascow

>>159936893

Why not just play rome 2?

It's decent now.

>>159937264
>historical titles will be untouched
I'm not seeing the contradiction. They're not going to touch historical titles. Simple.

>>159937264
see >>159937320

They specifically said the historical team is occupied with the DLC releases while the warhammer team produce expansion 2. Naval combat is pretty much confirmed so that will no doubt occupy a lot of time and we aren't sure if naval bombardment or amphibious maps will make it in.

>>159937276
>no family tree ever

SUMMON THE ELECTOR-COUNTS

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>>159932475

>>159937452

>They specifically said the historical team is occupied with the DLC releases while the warhammer team produce expansion 2

No Anon, that's completely wrong

There's 3 teams at CA, Warhammer, History and DLC.

The Warhammer team works on Warhammer, the History team on History and the DLC team on whatever the latest release is which means Warhammer right now

>>159937575
You forgot the Total War Arena/Total War for iPad team

>>159937854
What about the shilling team? Are they categorized as free lancers

>>159937913
No, we're not

>>159937913

The shilling team works from Nippon

>>159935130
fuck off autismlord

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Say my name

>>159938746
Charles the Great.

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HOLD THE DOOR!!!

>>159938746
Rosie O'Donnell?

>>159938746
Ivan McGopnik

>Empire Campaign
>Starting Challenge: Normal

>>159937571

10/10 Fucking saved


Should still have been Reimu with warrior priest outfit though

>>159938827
That's a gate, not a door.

>>159939304
What is the difference?

>>159938897
Seems about right really. It got some random elements to it which may make the game harder.

>Take rebel territories
>Fortify Helmgart
>Fend of any orc horde
>Get friendly with Wissenland, bretonnian dukedoms and dwarfs
>do first quest battle
>Suprise attack Carroburg and peace out with Middenland immediately

You are pretty safe after that. Hopefully you can manage to ambush Marienburg's army outside their cities. Then you can get that nice cash from holding Marienburg.

You can also keep sacking the orc tribe nearby for easy levels.

>>159939469
Size, thickness, stability and usage.

>>159939479
Not to mention the only factions that outright hate you are either on the northern edge of the map, in the Badlands, or in Sylvania. Everyone else is usually content to not fuck with you if you keep your army up, assuming you scrape the Beastmen off on Bretonnia or just kill them yourself before taking Marienburg.

>>159939479
I still sometimes think Marienburg can be a trap. You get loadsa dosh, but you also get skaeling fucking shits coming after you. I sometimes leave Marienburg alone as a shield to the north.

>>159939492
Thanks

>>159939643
Skaelings are free money really. Also you could just raze the minor town.

>>159939469
A gate is outdoors. A door is in a building.
>>159939492
Not to do with size. You can have huge doors and tiny gates

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The Red Duke has summoned his minions behin us!

>>159939767
So a castle or a wall doesn't have gates, but doors?

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>>159938746
Hillary Clinton!

>>159939791
what are you using ENB or something?

>>159940025
No, because if they're in a curtain wall it's still a gate. If it leads into a building it's a door.
Put simply-the thing you open to get in your house=door
the thing that you can open and shut to stop a cow escaping=gate

>>159940917
So in the case of castles, it is actually a door, yes?

>>159928513
Rolling

>>159941116
Only the door to the keep.

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>>159938746
Donald Trump

>total war warhammer a fantasy game
>negative great power modifiers

Why though? I get it in historical titles but it makes no sense in the context of this setting. Shit it wouldn't even that bad if there were at least positive modifiers for great powers, but there aren't any.

While at the same time things like public order offer no real benefit when it's very high. If anything having territories be in rebellion constantly is great for farming rebel armies to level up lords and heroes.

I like TWW a lot but so much of the campaign feels poorly conceived and though out.

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>>159931815
Also imagine all the regiments of renown he would bring.
>Grudgebringer Cannon (Great Cannon)
>Grudgebringer Infantry (Swordsmen)
>Grudgebringer Cavalry (Empire Knights)
>Grudgebringer Crossbow (Crossbowmen)

>>159942201
Get the mods

Any mods that make magic less shit? I want to be worried when I see a wizard on the other side.

>>159942836
And the possibilities for landless/mercenary campaigns, where you play as an army for a faction

Or an entirely different approach to unique units and veterancy, where your regiments grow and get traits for doing things in combat like I've always dreamt of

>>159942201

>Why though?

Because the game is already too easy, if the AI was less adversarial it would be a joke.

>>159943068
I've always wanted to play as a mercenary army/faction. I did a Sparta playthrough in Rome 2 that was basically that. I'd fight wars for other factions for money while only holding just enough territory to maintain my armies.

I never got around with doing that as a horde in Attila but I considered it.

TWW needs throatsinging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtbsb3swbcU

Shouldnt Azhag be able to use the big waagh?

Why did they replace the old guy narrating the cinematic trailer with the lady when they made it into the intro.

>>159943896
No, he was just a tougher than average warboss before getting the helm with part of Nagash's in it.

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>black orcs and a siege weapon
>a giant
>an arachnarok spider
>or some Golbin archers
Why did Azhag get cucked so badly?

>>159940793
gemfx

>>159944245
muh death magic that isn't good and mount that's not significantly better than the generic wyvern

>>159944245

It's especially confusing since he really NEEDS the early-game boost

He doesn't become remotely passable until he gets his crown and by that point starting units aren't really relevant anymore anyway.

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>>159943929
Too pale, male and stale.

>>159944227
which part was it?

Rollar

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>>159938746

Anyone still playing Attila?
I just bought it and played for 10 hours but I'm not enjoying it as much as I was enjoying Shogun 2.
Everything feels half assed. The battles are a mess most of the time, especially when naval troops are involved in sieges or shit like that.
The AI is retarded and only ever sacks settlements instead of occupying them.
Diplomacy is shit, basically if someone doesn't have the same religion as you, you cannot ever sign any treaty other than a war declaration.
Micro-managing all the realm characters, household items, internal politics, seems like a good idea at first but it just becomes a pain in the ass when you have to waste most of your turns min-maxing everything.
But maybe that's my issue, maybe this game isn't made for min-maxers. It's just too chaotic.

>>159944820
>Micro-managing all the realm characters, household items, internal politics, seems like a good idea at first but it just becomes a pain in the ass when you have to waste most of your turns min-maxing everything

So much this. And you get in a rhytm of auto resolves, because the campaignmap is just way to unforgiving to let you do sieges manually. Especially since those gatling towers make any siege attack with a high quality units a bad idea due to the high casualities. And guess what.. 90% of the game are sieges.

>>159943068
>>159943321
That would be great.

I myself thought that if they were to include the Dogs of War with the named characters that lead them, then I'd see them as akin to a special type of hero units that gain experience on two layers.

The named character gains traits that either buff them up or their regiment, and the regiment gaining their own levels simultaneously along with their commander and getting their own unique traits.

Think of the possibilities.

>>159938746
JABBERWO...I mean scythe. And I really want you for the Beastmen.

>>159945425
>way to unforgiving to let you do sieges manually
You fucking wot m8? I take way less casualties when I do it manually in Attila, unless I have the bar a lot in my favour.

>>159944820
>Micro-managing all the realm characters, household items, internal politics, seems like a good idea at first but it just becomes a pain in the ass when you have to waste most of your turns min-maxing everything.
I just didn't bother. If a character got a trait that really fucked things (-10% commerce income on a province I'd built up to be an uberport, say) I'd replace him but otherwise I left them too it. Couldn't be bothered moving items around and whatnot.

>>159945425
Oh yeah the towers that have 3x the range of an archer and take hours to reclaim even with 4 full units under it meanwhile they murder your best units.

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Spooky

>>159945784
What's wrong with you anon. This is a worksafe board i.e. no spooky stuff.

>>159944820
I am also playing Attila atm. I really have a problem with the battles in Attila. It feels like the mechanics in itself are great but the unit balance is way off. Like every unit feels like the flimsiest unit ever, due to cavalry charges being way too strong. Even a very heavy armored infantry unit gets absolutely annihilated by mid tier cavalry charges. It's probably just me, but I enjoy watching armies clash and take the time to flank enemies or make an elaborate battleplan. This just isn't possible in Attila. Units kill each other so fast flanking is only possible with testudo like lines of infantry and if you hurry right after they clash around them. Otherwise you are too slow and your line is already crumbling. And splitting your armies is the worst idea ever almost always. Putting smaller groups of units in an ambush position or the like will get you punished immedieately. Watch the enemy cav turn around and run over your spearman in shieldwall formation routing them. Like I can't even turn around with the spearmen if i get flanked by cav units. The second I try to make my spearmen turn it counts as them not being braced and getting destroyed by cavalry.

Damn, bit of a tanget there.

>>159946116
Yeah the combat in Shogun 2 feels much more satisfying for some reason. In Warhammer even.

Ive decided to try Total War

Started with napoleon, what am I in for?

>>159947259
Don't.
Start with either Medieval 2 or Shogun 2.

>>159947259
Napoopan

>>159947363
whats so bad about it? I got shogun 2 as well but I want arty and musketmen.

>>159947457
Though napoleon isn't bad, fall of the samurai is the best arty/muskets TW title.

>>159947259
Shooting. Jokes aside, remember that artillery is king of the battlefield.

>>159939791
>>159938827
>>159945784
I love these

>>159947259
A good game. Napoleon is one of the best made games in the series, although it's somewhat dated now. Guns are fun, cavalry is visceral, and artillery rules the battlefield. Don't be afraid to throw men away, and always remember that melee can often be faster and easier than reloading.

>Tfw no frail elf priestess (male) to bully with my dick

>>159950220
That'd be a priest.

>>159950351
Elves are a very progressive species, they acknowledge the difference between gender and sex.

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>>159950413
>>159950220
Burn Athel Loren.

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All you had to do is stay historically accurate and not give into Hollywood. That's all you had to do

>>159950413
That's you projecting

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>>159950776
>implying

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>>159950741
I can't wait to capture every treehut settlement in that pansy forest. Then constructing lumber mills and drinking beer with my longbeard bros as we listen to the sound of a thousand trees crying out in pain.

>>159951071
DELETU THIS

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>>159950776
I'm still kinda salty over Sparta being playable in vanilla Rome 2 over Corinth desu.

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Gattling guns and riflemen vs 6000 zombies, who wins!

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>>159950776
Shhh, no history now, only waaaaagh

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>>159951502
To be honest I love historic TW but haven't had as much fun as I have with WH in a while.
I guess it just feels so nice after the disappointment that was Rome 2 to have a fun TW game. Also it probably help me get over my thirst for a medieval game especially once Bretonnia becomes playable.

Still looking forward to the next historic TW game.

>>159951294
Those greeks look fucking boring. Glad they went with the Hollywood portrayal.

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well that was quick

>>159951294
>Sparta playable in vanilla Rome II

but it isn't you have to by the Greek states DLC or Preorder. Not to mention Corinth was just a city of happy merchants profitting from supplying armies during the Peloponnesian wars.

>>159952032
Nah, look at all those bright colours. Looks like IRL Oldhammer. But of course CA is into being modern and making everything as drab looking as possible to draw in the WoW crowd.

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>>159952161
>drab looking as possible to draw in the WoW crowd
>WoW
>drab
You wot m8?

hey you guys

who here /sidesaddle/?

>>159952894
Goddammit get that WarCraft shit out of here.

>TFW WarCraft III was the last good WC game...

I'M STILL FUCKING SALTY HERE!

>>159952967
Sidesaddle's great if you're not wearing pants, but otherwise, why?

>>159953058
Last rts, but going on scII standards you really want blizzard to pick it up again? also reign of chaos was shit.

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So having played a few Empire campaigns in TWW I've come to two conclusion.

1) Buildings aren't priced or tiered appropriately for what and when you need them for, and their current placement and price don't match the pace of the Empire start.

2) Empire technology is fucking awful, it's overpriced and under preforming. Ex:
>To get a measly +5 leadership on state troops you need to
>Spend 2000G on a tier 2 barracks to unlock the technology branch
>Wait 3 turns for it to build
>Wait 10 more turns to research it
>Final cost for basically nothing: 2000G and 13 turns

>To get 10% weapon damage for Empire sword and spear units you need to
>Spend 1 population, 1600G and 3 turns, for a Tier 2 settlement plus 2 more population, 3200G and 4 turns more for a tier 3 settlement
>Spend 4000G and 3 turns on a blacksmith and to unlock the technology branch
>Wait 10 turns to research it
>Final cost: 3 population, 8800G, 20 turns for basically 2.8 - 3 additional weapon damage on low tier troops you'll probably be phasing out by the time you finish all of this shit.

I think I need to make a mod for the Empire. Their units and such are fine but the pacing, cost to value is fucking shit on a lot of their buildings and technologies. Like why are Coaching Inns (Tier 3 PO building) require a tier 4 settlement. Luckily for Empire Ghal Maraz gives you +5 PO and with Volkmars staff another +5 PO faction wide so it nullifies their need but still.

>>159951781
>next historical
That'll be a couple of years lad confirmed by one of the developers. So we assume no historical until after the trilogy is done.

I'm okay with that.

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>>159953104
idc i was just testing to see if i was still banned

>>159953364
honetly blizzard's community are what made those game good. bw and wc3 custom matches, and vanilla wow were the greatest multiplayer gaming experiences ever

>>159953456
>AE and 1212 will fill the gap, I swear

>>159953449
Thing is, you'd be building those buildings anyway, surely? You need that tier 2 barracks for missile units, you need the blacksmith for knights/greatswords/etc. Maybe some units will phase out, but spearmen will always be useful, and it helps your garrisons if nothing else.

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Guys how to Skarsnik?
I can't even beat Karak Norn. The gobbos just break and run before the stunties.

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G O B L I N S

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Christ...

>>159954261
Rush for rock lobbas as soon as you can. They'll smash plenty of stunties as they slowly trudge towards your line, and with the AI only building bolt throwers now you'll be outshooting the dorfs.

Also, goes without saying, but you should really outnumber them. Basically, should have multiple almost-full stacks going from even that one settlement. If you need cash, raid. Oh, and keep your spider alive no matter what.

However, don't be afraid to take a peace deal if Karak Norn offer it. You need to get pressure on Belegar early or he'll hoover up enough settlements to afford multiple stacks (even with his upkeep debuff) and then you'll have a hell of a fight on your hands. I solved this problem with even more rock lobbas though.

>>159954503
DELET

>>159935130
Someone needs to shop a "let me tell you about Bretonnia" next to that grave guard

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>>159954864
It's disgusting how you lost everything to a bunch of birds

>>159952107
Sparta was an irrelevant city by the time period of Rome 2 though. Corinth was the main power on the Peloponnes and seat of the Achaean League.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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>>159954503
>We will never get Total War: Australia

>>159950776
>Helmets correctly looks like a bell-end instead of a stylised modern-friendly variant
>Are wearing full armour instead of leather y-fronts and baby oil
>Fighting with spears instead of swords
>Aren't wearing cloaks into battle

What exactly is supposed to be so horrendously inaccurate about that?

>>159952069
What units are those gunners? They have different uniforms from the empire handgunners.

>>159954261
Use nasty skulkers and use Skarsniks perk tree to make them unbeatable

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>mfw waifu elfs soon

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>>159955218
You asked for it, meme boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W15GFlzzGss
>>159955206
I did

>>159954848
>even with his upkeep debuff
AI doesn't have it.

>>159955095
No one gives a shit, Sparta is a unique culture, distinct from other Greeks. Corinth would just be Alexandrian Successor Faction #12.

Total War is alt history anyway unless you play as Rome and keep historical borders i.e. the correct way to play, crying about Sparta appearing when Seubi never conquered the known world either makes no sense.

>>159955646
>No one gives a shit,

I do

>>159954503
That never happened it just a dumb meme
As australian i can confirm

>>159955418
Unless you're expecting 100% accuracy (bit difficult since Sparta's barely documented in the historical record with any real accuracy) I'm still not seeing anything particularly horrendous.

Sure Sparta got a DLC because of Hollywood and pop culture fixating on 300 but in terms of content, that's not so bad.

>>159955737
Corinthian plz go and stay go. You are worst city state.

>>159956096
>You are worst city state
That would be Thebes.

>>159955418
>conquered Australia as China
>China
>not Ottomans
Do it again and proper this time.

>>159956096
You dare insult Corinth?? Seize him

>>159956225
>Argive detected

You dare insult the descendants of Heracles?

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>>159956369

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGpQn2pNXBg

>actually buying overpriced dlc

Hahaha what a fucking cuck.
Seriously, you're pathetic.

Should I buy all of it now or wait for christmas?

>>159957183
>all of it
Only buy what interests you, lad. And yes, I'd wait for the sale.

>>159957183
why don't you reread your post first

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>>159956575
Get over here Johnny.

Is it normal that it's almost impossible to have positive public order in Attila?
I just can't deal with a little enemy army slipping by a border, conquering a province and completely fucking over the whole province for 10 rounds due to provincial instability.

>>159957459
Because of how they altered public order calculations in Attila from Rome, in order to get positive public order you need to ________________get gud______________

>>159957759
I don't know. It feels really frustrating and unreasonable to me.

>>159953449
Where the fuck are your military buildings? Did you make another province your military fortress?

>>159957971
If you're playing as WRE, it's supposed to be.

And yes, letting enemy armies trapse across your territory will upset the plebs.

>>159957459
Get priests and maximize religion. Keep your building chains balanced.

>>159957459
try this
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682732571&searchtext=

>>159957459
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOW THE FUCK IS LOW PUBLIC ORDER EVEN REAL HAHAHA NIGGA BUILD SOME TAVERNS. LIKE NIGGA GET A PRIEST

>>159959828
Epic, simply ebin :^)

>>159959828
Once a province is stabilized public order is no big deal. But if it gets captured by someone else and i recapture it one turn later. I get 15 negative public order. This feels really cheap and annoying. The game doesn't allow me to buy garrisons or something.

>>159955206
I was there when that picture was taken.

>>159960183
>you don't defend your shit properly
>people get angry over the devastation from all the fighting
What the fuck did you expect? They have all rights to rebel from your rule, I'd be angry too.

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Taking Praag was a mistake

>>159960531
You are angry already, man. I believe you.

>>159960559
Is AI actually fighting for a city with your army still inside?
Fucking hell, you really fucked up now, lad.

>>159960559
Nice goof troop army, lad.

>>159957183
Only ones I'd say is defenitely worth it is The King & The Warlord and the Blood DLC.

I bought Beastmen because I've been playing them for 15+ years on TT, but if you're not into the faction you might want to wait for a sale.

Grim & Grave is okay-ish; a bit more variety for both Empire and Vampires.

>>159960759
>that
>angry
Have I been here too long? That's just my normal tone. If I was angry there would be at least two more insults, with some effort put into them.

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>ARE YOU A GOD?
Goddamn, SFO is so good. It's much more fun to play Chaos than last I tried

Is the beserk, where you lose complete control over the unit, also from SFO? It's pretty cool

>>159960183
>But if it gets captured by someone else
Hahahahaha How Are Defeats In Siege Battles Real Hahaha Nigga Just Get Some Infantry, Like Nigga Form A shieldwall

>>159961034
Well yea now that you mention it. I kinda read it more angry in my mind then you meant it probably.

>>159961112
>SFO
What's that?

>>159961554
Steel Faith Overhaul

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Why are human provinces worse than orcs when it comes to diplomacy? Its fucking chaos in terms of alliances, out of nowhere wars and then all of a sudden one of them decides they don't mind Vampire Counts that much and allows them to waltz up to Reikland and fuck your face with 4 stacks.

>>159961554
Steel Faith Overhaul

>>159961112
Berserk isn't in the base game, so I assume it's from the mod.

>>159962006
>>159962027
waht does it do?

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These guys just got 6 units over their turn without mercenaries and buildings. What gives?

>>159962550
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=704361604

Basically everything

>>159963108

The AI in Total War games cheats.

Rebel/Separatist factions double cheat

>>159963108
rebels simply spawn units when they take a settlements its to make it hard to actually smoke them out once they entrech

>>159963712
>>159963474
Wish the rebels would get low tier units instead of end game doomstacks.

How do melee damage and melee attack differ?

>>159964620

I forgot

>>159963206
Looks really neato.

>>159964915
That's ok anon don't stress it.

>>159964620
melee damage is damage, duh, while the melee attack value determines whether the attack actually hits the enemy

Why can't I drag n drop units to move them while retaining their orientation anymore?

>>159965409
You can't alt drag units?

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Dubs will get one game.
In play are Shogun 2, TW:Empire, Napoopan or Medieval 2.
Specify which one you want and to where I should send the code.

>>159966058
your mum: total war
send it to: your mum

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>>159966198

>>159966058
I want the succ
Send it to your mom's place

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>raiding his own province

>>159965409

You can still do that in Warhammer

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This right here is my biggest gripe with Total Warhammer

They make a fuckhuge city with a bunch of cool little details, but then the playable part is entirely in the completely featureless and entirely flat part of the map

>>159966259
>>159966198

One off friend. Imagine how bad you would feel if you actually got dubs and missed a chance to get a free game.

>>159966358
maybe they are the rebels of the rebels

really makes you think huh?

>>159966554
Maybe we're all just rebels of rebels of rebels...

>>159960559
>kemmler
just ally with them

>>159966363
I will never understand this argument. All that eye candy in the background looks fucking abysmal to fight in across all siege maps.

I get wanting new maps, that have a much larger and more diverse playing area, but that is just chokepoint after chokepoint after chokepoint. It would be Attila settlement battles on steroids, where 3 units can defeat 40.

>Napoleon only gives you achievements for completing the non-nappy campaigns in multiplayer

For what purpose?

>>159966058
Last chance to roll. Going to sleep soon.

>>159966058
>>159967181
Go back to /v/.

>>159967034
With flying units, magic, and mass being able to shove through lines I think it could still work
the classic bridge or other choke point dilemma doesn't matter if you can murder a blob with a pillar of fire, raise zombies to flank them, or land a dragon behind them

Why can't I bribe enemy generals, rebels and armies?

Why can't I make a captain lead an army?

>>159968260
Because feature bloat is a very real concern. I doubt any of the stuff people miss would actually be detrimental if it saw a return, but CA are clearly run with a mindset of culling old features when new ones are implemented, for better or worse.

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Is the AI actually scrambling its armies in a way to counter my armies?

That's pretty neat, thanks based mods

Who's the donald trump of warhammer?

>>159968642
Donald Trump

>>159968642
Karl Franz

>>159968635
holy shit that's a big dude

>>159968642
Archaon

How the fuck do Chaos get the metal and smiths required to forge all that armor?
Aren't they just a bunch of barbarians and shit

>>159968964
Chaos dwarfs

>>159968964
Chaos dwarfs smith the armors and they get slaves in return

>>159967056
>Caring about Achievements
I bet you're one of those fags who seriously cares about his level

>>159969017
>>159969028
Aren't Dwarfs immune to chaos because they can't use magic?

>>159969190
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Dwarf

>>159969190
then how are chaos dwarfs a thing?

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>smashing the shit out of some cunts
>okok fuck pls gib peace treaty we're gonna fuckign die pls
>oh and also give us 10 grand

The winters are getting longer and the wolves grow hungry..

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>>159969605
I want to make cummies in a NEET elf girl (male)

>>159969282
More along the lines of very resistant to the point of them being able to hold a fortress in the middle of the chaos wastes for 40(200) years without any stigma showing.

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>>159969674

>>159968964
In addition to Dawi Zharr making plate, the gods bless the best champions with armour that changes as their body warps over time.

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>>159969352
>>oh and also give us 10 grand
Every fucking time

>>159968260
Because bribing entire armies was retarded, and bribing generals and agents was broken.

Because it lessened the importance of individual armies and battles.

>>159969674
I like this new meme, thanks based hentai poster.

>>159969674
>girl (male)
That'd be a boy.

Why are the "good" gods like Sigmar, Valya, etc significantly less interventionist than the Chaos gods?

>>159969674

I really need to watch this fucking show.

>playing empire
>make war with marienburg
>take it, gorssel already deded by someone else
>marienburg apparently still around in bretonnia
>they offer peace + vassal + 5000, accept it
>what proceeds is 30 turns worth of factions declaring war on my vassal
>offering peace + vassal + money the next turn
>repeat this with 10 different factions for no fucking reason
>present vassal list includes: marienburg, stirland, wissenland, bretonnia, bordeluex, paravon and as I typed this I opened the game to see middenland offering to vassalize.

I've done nothing, I have no mods installed, they just keep declaring war on me or my vassals then immediately surrendering. And becoming vassals in turn.

What the fuck, does the AI have brain problems or something?

>>159970257
It's pretty good, though it takes some time to get going in season 1. I really like the fact that it's pretty much a PnP RPG campaign. Also; hips.

Mark of Khorne
>Immune to psychology, charge bonus, melee attack
Mark of Slaanesh
>Immune to psychology
Mark of Tzeentch
>25% (!) ward save
Mark of Nurgle
>Melee defense

why

>>159970250
Because they aren't as powerful. "Good" deities derive their power from worship; a being has to pray to them. The Chaos pantheon derives power from emotion, regardless of the source.

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>>159970250
but Gork and or Mork are the most active good gods

>>159970587
the ai is programmed to be tsundere

chaos campaign has been the most fun so far, pleasantly surprising. probably because i've been doing actual battles and i really enjoy the units.

>>159970719
Their army is fun, it's a shame that the bad things about the warhammer campaigns are most pronounced in the chaos one, except for maybe enemy variety

>>159967034
>3 units defeating 40

You realise that real life heroics do happen sometimes. If the game is just about having more units than the enemy to win on flat open ground it gets rather boring.

>>159970587
I don't think it counts declaring war on your vassal as declaring war on you. But when you do enter the war, and they still like you it realizes "shit, I don't want this war!", and tries to fix that. Because of this I managed to confederate the main Dwarfs as Angrund, even though they were almost as strong (rank 2, while I was 1). They weren't willing to confederate while at peace, but they were more than willing to do it to save themselves from war with me. Also, if you don't vassalize them they will do it again and again if they have few enemies, so you can get free 10k+ every so often.

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This man did not survive that battle. I am sad about the current twg status

>>159970680

Orcs and Goblins are the good guys

t. a greenskin presently eating a human child

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>>159954261
Basically you need full stacks and shoudl take advantage of auto resolve in open battles to avoid the quarreller blitz. Up to turn 8 build skarsnik a stack, 5 skulers, maybe a couple archers and the rest spears. Then build maybe 5 skulkers with a new Lord in azgaraz, approach norn with skarsnik. Once in Norn tewrritory underway onto the empire over the mountains out of vision of norn. Next turn move as close towards azgaraz as you can and go into ambush. You'll guaranteed pick up the norn army in an ambush and can wipe them out auto resolve or just battle it. You can now take Norn and Grimhold in 4 turns and you'll have two stacks.

>>159971001
Attila defenses are boring as well though. As long as you have a large enough garrison to cover two chokepoints and have some missiles, you can usually hold off two normal stacks with just the garrison. It ensures it's almost impossible to lose a settlement after a certain point.

>>159971001
I don't think you could be any more off point.

Yes, real life heroics do happen, but what I described was literally every defensive settlement battle in Attila, except I omitted the liberal use of the fast forward button because watching 3 units hold out against 40 for 20 minutes with minimal maneuvering is fucking boring.

The game isn't about that though. Army limits exist for a reason and the only maps that are just flat open ground are the 5 multiplayer only ones they added in the first patch. You should try playing the games next time before you make stupid comments about them.

>>159933374
Play vanilla. It is hands down one of the hardest and most well rounded Total Wars.

>>159933374
Please use darthmod or some other kind of high quality mod. Vanilla is pure garbage
>>159971770
Shh, you probably never played a campaign in vanilla

>>159970643
Nurgle will probably get missile resistance as well. On the tabletop they're harder to hit because of the cloud of flies their stuff has.

>>159971896
>carrion flies deflect projectiles
wtf I love Nurgle now

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>Only have Kholek at 19 and Archaon at 8
>This happens
I could have sworn I didn't turtle as hard as I normally do

I am so fucked

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ffs

which option gets me into the least diplomatic turmoil?

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>>159972402
>Tears spilled over nothing
I didn't think it would be this easy to isolate him

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Bon voyage, black gobbo!

>>159972432
The one that doesn't involve breaking an alliance. Duh.

>>159972587
he only spawned with 1 army in my campaign, i was running a doomstack with archaon who was at 30 and had all his purple items. ezmode.

>>159972617
Is that Kislev in Eilhart?
Excuse me?

>>159972709
Kislev is a bit odd. Before Chaos invaded, they were already moving into the Nordlands. Then, when Chaos invaded and fucked up the Empire, Kislev started to take territory in the Wastelands and in Reikland.

Now Kislev is based entirely in former Empire territory. At least until the Norse tribes kill them off.

>>159972432
You always go with the defender. Maybe you even can make Stirland to insta-confederate with you.

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Fresh OC coming in hot

>>159972776
Fuck yeah bears.

>At least until the Norse tribes kill them off
A-aren't you going to help them?

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These beast maps are pretty neat

>>159972976
They rejected a trade agreement with me several times and revoked our non-aggression pact before the Chaos Invasion. Kislev earned its place in the fucking Dammaz Kron.

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Go be urks somewhere else.

I just realized I never got a single event during my Belegar campaign.
What's up with that?

>>159973920
Beggar Nohammer isn't cool enough for events.

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>>159965946
oh shit they changed it and now i feel dumb and bad

>>159974018
See, I haven't seen any events in Skarsnik's campaign either, but I didn't get very far in it, because greenskins are kinda garbage. Is that related?

>>159974145
Probably.

>>159973920
I've noticed a bug where if a quest gets cancelled for Belegar it doesn't give you an alternative way to finish it, it just disappears. Example: Occupy Mount Squighorn.
Same thing happened to me for Carstein ring quest for Vlad.

Why did I dream of Shogun 2 historical battles with Naruto generals?
I haven't watched Naruto since middle school, what the fuck is going on?

>>159974647
stare into the abyss...

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>>159972009
Nurgle loves you too anon

>>159975209
Help anon help

>>159975341
I could come over to your house while you sleep and protect you

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This is a grudge.

>>159975495
that's pretty gay

>>159975717
But you won't know it

>>159975776
It's true... I won't resist