/shmupg/ - Shmup General

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SELDIA ON SUICIDE WATCH!

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I fixed a missing bullet missing on a rock in a single frame. This .gif might also be slightly higher quality.

>>159895870
Holy shit

would you recommend revolver 360?

>>159898040
yes, its preddy good
a bit weird but good

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La-ti-da.

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I don't know if I should feel happy or frustrated. It's easier than I thought and now I'm more confident, but I fucked up by pressing the shot instead of bomb button, could've gotten 1-all.

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8th fo fish

>>159900236
>I fucked up by pressing the shot instead of bomb button
you must have been pretty nervous to fuck up such an ovetrained motoric task

>>159901728
i switched to auto just few days ago when someone in this thread told me it can be enabled, so i had to rebind everything, which is probably why.
i'm still slightly agitated though.

>>159901969
Do you really need autofire in Donpachi? I mean, I only ever got to stage 4 as of yet, but intense mashing isn't really required at all I think, just very light, slightly fast tapping because you basically shoot a stream of bullets or lasers after a few upgrades.

But if it's in the game you might as well I guess~

>>159902659
it's easier to just focus on movement, at least for retards who can't into multitasking like me, besides i barely use laser, so it's convenient. and when you close to the top of the screen/pointblanking the autofire gets real fucking fast.

DODODODODODODODODODODODO DODONPACHI

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>>159900915
13th for big fish.

>>159898040
Yes, I love it.

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>>159906308

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>>159907910

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>>159908016

Dead thread. Dead Gen.

Does /shmupg/ do any finger exercises before shooting?

>>159911065
I just jump straight into it. I play a few credits before practicing anyway, that's more than enough exercising.

>>159911065
No real need, but it might make playing more comfy. Just do some hand/finger stretches and shake the shit out of your hands. It worked great when I used to play piano.

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>>159911065
No. I just get right into it. I need a bit of time before I'm mentally ready though. I play DBCS a lot so it's good that it's pretty fast-paced and there's lots of relatively short missions to just play and get into the groove again.

I don't know how I'd get motivated for an ultra-hardcore 1-hour scoring run of any bullet hell or something. I can't deal with that kind of commitment just like that when I want to shmup. I keep putting off that G.Darius 1cc because of it.

>>159911065
fingering your waifu

Strange, when I'm not trying to follow WR routes without prior training or worrying that I don't 1cc games on my first try, I actually feel happy and content.

>>159921557
That's why scoring is cancer

>>159924140
1cc sluts are cancer

>>159924512
You mean 1cc it once then leave to another game? I agree

Playing in a way you dont enjoy is cancer desu

>>159924140
It's not, just that very few people can actually do it. Everyone should experience it, though.

recommended shmups on steam?

I own Deathsmiles and Mushihimesama, buying Dodonpachi sometime soon

Crimzon Clover is on my wishlist.

>>159927278
Tale of Alltynex Bundle, you can get it on Kinguin for ~$4

>>159927278
Another vote for the Tale of ALLTYNEX.

>>159909473
I swear this thread could be active literally everyday for years to come and somebody will still claim it's "dead". It's not dead until we're all dead.

Have a question. How important is it for you to have the option of seeing a FPS counter in the corner of the screen? Something that shouldn't even be bothered with? Always on period? Option to turn on and off?

>>159928160
Option to turn on and off would be good. Otherwise it should have something like Crimzon Clover, where scores with lower FPS rate don't get counted.

>>159928283
Any fps below 60 or is there a generally accepted threshold before the slowdown is considered too beneficial?

>>159928493
I think in Crimzon Clover it's something like 58-59 fps

>>159928283
>>159928634
Thank you kindly, anon. Have a good one!

>>159927278
you got or are getting the only ones worth having

>>159927278
The ALLTYNEX trilogy and RefRain are must-buys.
Ether Vapor and Astebreed are pretty good but they're also pretty polarizing: download the demos before buying them.

Donpuchi seems easy now, i still die to stupid shit in stage 4, but 1-all is inevitable. Guess I'll switch to jap version and try scoring in first levels.
Also I've been thinking about registering on restarsyndrome, can someone answer me if this means even internal auto is not allowed?
>2) Scores must be obtained on one credit and on default settings.
All the basic shmup rules apply - one credit, all defaults is the only way to go. The only exception is that controller functions may be remapped as the player sees fit.

>>159931000
I have no idea.

>>159931000
I guess no one cares, just put in comment if you worried about it.

>>159931000
>can someone answer me if this means even internal auto is not allowed?
I don't know a single player who doesn't use it so yes it's fine.

why is everything going so wrong ahhhhhh

>>159934196
you're not talented enough

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>>159895870
>93k break rate
imagine the scores with that break rate and 12,8 multiplier

>>159895870
who is "cave" anyway?

>>159934948
Probably 14 trillion.

>>159935025
ikeda

>>159934258
Talent is fucking gay, I just wanna play.

>>159911065
Put it up your bum to get it nice and warm

>>159927278
Eschatos, Raiden 4, Judgement Silversword Ressurection, Blue Revolver, Mecha Ritz Steel Rondo

>>159927278
astro port bundle

https://steamspy.com/app/463070
Owners: 706 ± 689
Players total: 524 ± 724 (74.22%)
Peak concurrent players yesterday: 2

JUST

>>159939915
Just gonna note that there's a 50% chance raiden 4 won't work on your computer for, like, no reason.

>>159940618
Isn't Raiden 3 the shit one? Never heard of many problems with 4

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>>159940216
>under 1000 owners

>>159940216
No wonder they had to crowdfund that furshit game.

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>>159943345

Crimzon Clover is partly uncontrollable. It's partly complete luck if you score good, because the scoring mechanics are way too complicated. Apart from this does it have a good amount of rng, which also fucks with your score.

>>159946832
This meme is getting stale anon, you need to find a new one.

Crimzon Clover is partly uncontrollable. It's partly complete luck if you score good, because the scoring mechanics are way too complicated. Apart from this does it have a good amount of rng, which also fucks with your score.

>>159947645
This meme is getting stale anon, you need to find a new one.

Honestly, just put the controller down when you're playing CC. Your input actually doesn't affect the ships actions, it's all completely random

>>159947627
It's not a meme, you fucktard. Have you ever played the game for score seriously? It's frustrating as fuck, because you can't really control how you play.

Why not just stop playing cc if it annoys you so much

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>>159948065
Because it's still a very good game, despite its flaws, and I already soend way too much time on it to just stop now.

>>159947867
Oh, but you can control it quite fine, if you actually know what you're doing.

>>159948210
No, you can not really controll it. At least on Original, it's way too random, due to all the zako spam in the game, the fishy behaviour of the lock-ons, and the rng.

Take the stage 4 boss for example. It's completely random what kind of turrets it spawns in its second phase. For being able to milk the boss well though, you need it to have a certain kind of turret. So it very easily can happen that it takes ages til that turret spawns, which fucks with your score a lot.

You just nevcer played the game for score seriously, that's why you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>159948516
>You just nevcer played the game for score seriously
That's true. And yet I'm still in top 10 somehow.

>>159949101
Top ten in which mode? On Unlimited it may be different (apart from the stage 4 boss of course), because it's easier to maintain your multiplier there.

On original however, the game is way too full of spam (or better said it doesn't have enough spam like on Unlimited) to really be able to controll your multiplier.

>>159946425
What game?

I used to fucking hate Psikyos and now I can't stop playing Strikers 1945 II.
Did my taste improve?

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>>159954717
>not the first Strikers
I'd say it has remained about the same

what's the best psykio shooty game?

>>159955127
Dragon Blaze

>>159955053
I haven't really bothered with the first one because I have an arcade around me that has II on official hardware, so it feels a lot more worthy of my time.

>>159954158
The closest you can name it is D2∀5d, since it's entirely in alien.

Bomber

How important are online leaderboards for the longevity of a shm00p for you guys would you say?

>>159955127
>what's the best psykio shooty game?
strikers 1945

>>159954717
>I used to fucking hate Psikyos and now I can't stop playing Strikers 1945 II.
>Did my taste improve?
No you just developed a taste for shit brown.

Damn, after practicing 2nd loop of DOJ, going back into 1st loop feels so much easier. I can smell 1st loop 1cc soon! As long as I even bother to do some full runs

>>159963131
Why are you practicing second loop if you can't even 1cc the first loop to access the second loop?

>>159964248
Because it's way more effective than one step at a time.

>>159964248
I like the game and wanted to see what lies further. Also I'm pretty sure I can 1cc 1st loop I just didn't even bother to try some full runs for some time. I'd need some more practice to be consistent enough to qualify for the second loop though. I even practiced TLB and on a good/lucky day can even get to the washing machine attack, but it still screws me over everytime.

>>159962147
depends on the scoring system, in my opinion if it's deep and fun players will still compete even without official leaderboards.

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And here's the last questionnaire to signal the end of 1 year of /shmupg/. It's been so long since we started, but we've managed to survive. Let's take a look back: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/122120489

And of course, please answer as warmly as you always have.

Part 1 (Answer on a scale from 1 to 10. You may expand upon your answers):
A) How good do you consider yourself as a STG/Touhou player?
B) How good are your reflexes and reactions?
C) How good is your bullet reading ability?
D) How good are you at controlling your movements?
E) How dedicated and patient are you as a player?

Part 2 (Answer freely):
A) How long have you played STG's, or Touhou?
B) Do you have a favorite game? Which is it? Why?
C) Do you prefer survival or scoring oriented play?
D) What are your greatest achievements? Why?
E) Give a rough assumption, how much do you play per day.
F) What are your goals for the rest of this year?
G) How much have you improved during the past year?

Part 3 (Answer freely):
A) Do you keep track of what other people do with the games?
B) Do you visit any STG or Touhou related communities other than /vg/? If so, which?
C) Do you enjoy watching replays or videos of STG's and Touhou?
D) What do you think of livestreaming as entertainment and the STGrillz site?
E) Do you have an idol? Why?
F) Do you wish the Western Touhou/STG players discussed more with each other?

>>159966703
1A: 4
1B: 2
1C: 7
1D: 4
1E: Varies wildly depending on how awake I am
2A: ~12 years
2B: Akashicverse. It dares to be different while still requiring the same skills and more, and it has a wonderful style.
2C: Survival
2D: 1CCing Akashicverse on medium
2E: ~1 hour
2F: 1CC Akashicverse on hard
2G: Modestly
3A: No, mostly because nobody discusses the ones I really like.
3B: No.
3C: Only for games I've 1cc'd.
3D: Meh
3E: No.
3F: Yes.

>>159966703
>A) How good do you consider yourself as a STG/Touhou player?
4
B) How good are your reflexes and reactions?
5
C) How good is your bullet reading ability?
6
D) How good are you at controlling your movements?
3
E) How dedicated and patient are you as a player?
3
A) How long have you played STG's, or Touhou?
4 month.
B) Do you have a favorite game? Which is it? Why?
i guess ccwi. it's cool.
>C) Do you prefer survival or scoring oriented play?
i try to score at least in easy parts if i like the game.
>D) What are your greatest achievements?
none worth mentioning.
>E) Give a rough assumption, how much do you play per day.
few hours.
>F) What are your goals for the rest of this year?
1cc satazius on normal. make progress in ccwi and donpachi.
>G) How much have you improved during the past year?
a lot becouse i just started so i learn something new everyday.
>A) Do you keep track of what other people do with the games?
if someone here gets a great score, i guess i won't forget about it happening.
>B) Do you visit any STG or Touhou related communities other than /vg/? If so, which?
no
>C) Do you enjoy watching replays or videos of STG's and Touhou?
not at all, i prefer playing. unless it's with decent commentary and i play the game atm.
E) Do you have an idol?
i guess mon and clover-tac

>>159966703
>Part 1 (Answer on a scale from 1 to 10. You may expand upon your answers):
>A) How good do you consider yourself as a STG/Touhou player?
6 maybe? I'm decent, but not really "good."
>B) How good are your reflexes and reactions?
6, I'm inconsistent as fuck
>C) How good is your bullet reading ability?
7
>D) How good are you at controlling your movements?
8
>E) How dedicated and patient are you as a player?
3, that's why I have no 1ccs

>Part 2 (Answer freely):
>A) How long have you played STG's, or Touhou?
Been interested in what I called "space shooters" my whole life (usually from shareware and flash games), started playing touhou and emulating shmups maybe 7 years ago. Only started playing seriously a few years ago though and only started really practicing with save states and going for 1ccs this year
>B) Do you have a favorite game? Which is it? Why?
Espgaluda, it's just the perfect blend of mechanics I love. I can actually play it for score without having to memorize all or nothing routes and not be too far behind tryhard scores.
>C) Do you prefer survival or scoring oriented play?
Survival, but I love games that score me based on how hard I play when I'm going for survival. Kill speed and efficiency, end of stage life/bomb stock bonuses, etc.
>D) What are your greatest achievements? Why?
Closest thing is having cleared every PC touhou on normal, up to SA on Hard, and every PC extra up to DDC (around when I stopped following touhou). I am not a good player
>E) Give a rough assumption, how much do you play per day.
An hour or two max.
>F) What are your goals for the rest of this year?
Working on an Espgaluda 1cc, I'm pretty close so it's possible.
>G) How much have you improved during the past year?
A lot. I started playing DOJ semi-seriously early this year, but ended up shelving it for now because I'd rather go for an easier 1cc first.

>>159969396
(continued)

>Part 3 (Answer freely):
>A) Do you keep track of what other people do with the games?
Nope. Seeing people all talk about CAVE games when they drop on Steam is nice though.
>B) Do you visit any STG or Touhou related communities other than /vg/? If so, which?
Nope.
>C) Do you enjoy watching replays or videos of STG's and Touhou?
Yeah, I love seeing how other people approach different things. I try not to copy videos too much though.
>D) What do you think of livestreaming as entertainment and the STGrillz site?
Shmup streams are fun, no clue what STGrillz is.
>E) Do you have an idol? Why?
Manabu Namiki, DOJ and Ketsui OSTs are fucking god tier
>F) Do you wish the Western Touhou/STG players discussed more with each other?
Yeah. I don't play Touhou much anymore, but they're all shmups and they're all fun for their own reasons.

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>>159966703
>7
>6
>6
>6
>4
I won't bother with parts 2 and 3.

i really need come back to try beat touhous

That's a good question, actually. How important is the ability to save replays in game?

>>159971654
Very important desu, I always forget to record my runs.

>>159971654
Critically important if you want any sense of "fair competition". It's trivial to cheat, but very hard to edit a replay. Recordings can be edited with a modicum of skill.

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>>159972204
I clear Magic Carpet 1001 today, do you want video of this?

>>159972204

If you play a game at 0.5x speed for a frame-based game, the replay system is probably none the wiser.

I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's still trivial to cheat.

Do people ever build their own JAMMA harness rigs to play official PCBs without shelling out for a giant cab?

>>159973418
Most newer games prevent you from submitting your score if you do that

>>159974524
Most can't detect the usage of external utilities. I mean, it's easily possible to do so, but most don't bother.

>>159973418
Most replay systems I've seen track slowdown. If somebody's constantly at 30fps in a 60fps game, bullshit gets called.

>>159975420
Is that the purpose of the "frames dropped" stat on touhou scoreboards? To show if you were either cheating or running on a shitbox computer than slowed the game down and made it easier?

>>159975542
Exactly.

>>159975420
>use debugger
>find when the average framerate is calculated
>modify the program to set the average to a constant number every time or just jump past the frame rate limit check
ez

>>159975690
Being constantly at 60fps is just as suspicious. You'd want to look at legit replays to determine normal fluctuations and write code to match those.
But yes, if you don't mind dicking with ASM then you can cheat all you want and be undetected.

>>159975420

A replay file is almost always just a list of inputs for each frame. If there's a time for each frame (or a frames dropped field), that can just be edited after the fact.

At the end of the day, you still have to trust whoever recorded the replay.

icycalm was right

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe4yQi1vw3Y3gk7pi7Qm5K_2f9a4YurB7ym4gOW1ZGRs7krLg/viewform

Anyone have the balls to sign up for STGW?

>>159979921
cream

>>159966703
>Part 1 (Answer on a scale from 1 to 10. You may expand upon your answers):
>A) How good do you consider yourself as a STG/Touhou player?
7/10

>B) How good are your reflexes and reactions?
7/10

>C) How good is your bullet reading ability?
7/10

>D) How good are you at controlling your movements?
7/10

>E) How dedicated and patient are you as a player?
5/10

Part 2 (Answer freely):
>A) How long have you played STG's, or Touhou?
Since 90ish I guess

>B) Do you have a favorite game? Which is it? Why?
CCWI. Idk, I just can't stop playing it.

>C) Do you prefer survival or scoring oriented play?
Survival first then go for score after you familiar with it

>D) What are your greatest achievements? Why?
Crimzon Clover doujin ver, reached 1 trillion with Type-I & Type-II on Unlimited when no one played it because of its unpopularity.

>E) Give a rough assumption, how much do you play per day.
2 hours, 6 hours if in serious mode

>F) What are your goals for the rest of this year?
I'll try to clear titles on Shmups difficulty chart as much as possible, these ranks obviously wrong.

>G) How much have you improved during the past year?
Decreased, I'm getting old

>Part 3 (Answer freely):
>A) Do you keep track of what other people do with the games?
Yes

>B) Do you visit any STG or Touhou related communities other than /vg/? If so, which?
Shmups discords, farm

>C) Do you enjoy watching replays or videos of STG's and Touhou?
Depend, mostly enjoyed it if it comes from dedicated players

>D) What do you think of livestreaming as entertainment and the STGrillz site?
It's good replacement for Game Center social communication. We need more people streaming, I like watching people trying their best hard.

>E) Do you have an idol? Why?
No, because it's a distraction

>F) Do you wish the Western Touhou/STG players discussed more with each other?
Yes

>>159948516
>Take the stage 4 boss for example.
I do not claim to know much about CCWI scoring, but didn't even ISO say that his runs hinged on how lucky he got with s4 boss milk? If he'd keep getting the wrong turrets, he'd throw the run.

>>159969525
>Shmup streams are fun, no clue what STGrillz is.
It's Shmups streams aggregator, stgrillz.appspot.com

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>still can't find an upload for the darius burst dlc remixes

A few more days of CCWI and my sudden death count will probably overtake that of my entire previous shmup career. I wish I could see those deaths coming. It teaches me something about attention and routing, though.

>>159982712
No idea what ISO said, but it's true. In CCWI high level scoring, the stage 4 boss is basically like Black Heart II from Garegga, because your score from BH II is also completely luck dependent.

>no-miss the first 4 stages in CCWI
>proceed to have the worst stage 5, by far and away, that I've ever had in this game, including all practice attempts
>all falling apart at every step, discovering new and unique ways to fuck my shit up forever
>gameover, continue before stage 5 boss, beat him perfectly
I'm starting to believe in the RNG bullshit meme.

>>159997546
What if you just got nervous.

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>>159985346

>>159998049
That would be the rational explanation. I change my route a bit (unconsciously as ever) and it all goes off the rails and crashes into the river. Guess I'll go back to spamming attempts.

Graze that page 10

>>159979921
>Anyone have the balls to sign up for STGW?
Sure, if i get a 75-80 guwange blue clear i'l apply.

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Up

>>159974448
Yeah, look up superguns

2 hours!

>>160010408
until?

>>160010530
That's how long shmupg was dead for

>>160010727
Hopefully because everyones playing instead, now that it's winter n all.

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Saddened by my inability to play Type III effectively, I sinned before Our Lord again and played Type Z--once--and this time I cleared! One of the 0.6%, baby!

The wide shot diminishes the routing aspect greatly, but even so, I managed to die by accidentally ramming into enemies and stage 4 boss twice, and made one honest misread on stage 5. I wanted to no-miss the TLB, but I was nervous and died right before the TLB would be destroyed.

>>160014914
Cool beans!

>>160014914
Gratz soldier. I haven't cleared it with Type-I yet. But after stepping up to Unlimited I couldn't back to Original otherwise it would fucked up my muscle memory.

>>160015139
>>160015983
Thanks, anons.

>But after stepping up to Unlimited I couldn't back to Original otherwise it would fucked up my muscle memory.
I'm torn between going back to Type III and clearing Original "for real", or just playing Unlimited now as it seems much more fun... but the commitment to clear Unlimited looks intimidating, survival in Original is boring now, and I want to get sidetracked into getting Touhou 1cc's again. At any rate, I promise to play more CCWI down the road!

>>160016582
>or just playing Unlimited now as it seems much more fun
uh... actually it's far from fun, as a scrub player I mostly spend my time with stage 1&2

>survival in Original is boring now
try convert your survival run into scoring route step by step, the Original WR holder did this too. you just need consistency in keep playing the game everyday.

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>>160014914
i cant play with type z anymore because i cant handle the lower scores you get with it and im not used to the speed of it at all after playing with type 1 so much

>>160017363
>try convert your survival run into scoring route step by step, the Original WR holder did this too
bullshit, makki played for score from the start rather than survival

>>160017363
I'm just burnt out t b h, took way way longer than I expected and I pretty much proved that I'm anything but a natural route planner. Someone else's routes would help me stay safe but isn't Unlimited all about that as well? (I haven't really played it)

>>160017791
A higher score is better than a bare 1cc! Though beating the TLB in a run is still immensely satisfying. It's not even that difficult, with just one extra life you basically have a 90% chance.

Is it possible to share savestates from shmupmame? If so, could anyone provide me with a (or some) savestate(s) for the 2nd loop of DOJ?

>>160022338
White Label or Black Label?

>>160022573
WL

>>160023254
These are my savestates using the ddpdojblk rom in Shmupmame 4.2.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvvel7c538py6do/DDPDOJ%20White%20Label%20Savestates.zip

They go like this. Stage 1 is on 1 with the boss being on the key below it. So stage 2 is 2 and the boss for it is on w. 3 and e, 4 and r etc etc.

This goes on until 6 which I skip, and then 2-1 starts on 7 and the digits continue like before until 2-5 which starts on m and goes to the left. H is preceding the 2-5 boss, C is taisabachi, S is Hibachi.

If the savestates don't work then please do tell me.

Does shmupmame 4.2 not support cv1k games at all? I'm trying to figure out if I'm retarded or just need a different version of mame. Demul isn't working out for me.

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Is Blue Revolver any good? I love when devs make games compatible with Loonix.

>>160024132
Those are Black Label savestates.

>>160024949
>gahnoo leenux finally gets a native shmup
>it's poo revolver

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>>160025139

>>160025059
I'm pretty sure they're not. What makes you say they are?

>>160024949
Yeah it's loads of fun.

>>160024949
It's alright if you like cave I guess.

>>160025304
Sorry, I was retarded; didn't know that you can play WL in the BL rom.

They're working fine, thank you very very much!

>>160025817
You're welcome! Is there something you're working towards in DOJ?

>>160029113
Yep, been practicing for a few days now after clearing Espgaluda, so a 1-all is my current goal. So far I can get to stage 4 on almost every credit (with a few bombs); but then it's game over~

I wanted to play around with the second loop for funsies and to get some practice in which might help me with the first loop too.

Gonna stream some DU2.

twitch tv/infirex

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Fucking hell, Azure Nightmare is pretty fucking hardcore!

>>160024752
>Does shmupmame 4.2 not support cv1k games at all?
correct, it's a mame revision pre sh3

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C'mon /shmupg/, get up.

>>160039003
>C'mon /shmupg/, get up.
we have nothing to get up for unless cream posts nudes.

>>160032971
Gotcha, ty for the info.

>>160039003
No

>>160039997
Do you really want to see her dick that badly?

>>160040773
creams a tranny?

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>>160039997
What if I post nude ships?

>>160040738
Aw man, that's a downer.

>>160041691
Cute boy

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>>160031827
Stream's over. Fuck yeah, /shmupg/! I got a new PB, as you can see on pic related. I still can't believe it. Gonna submit it on our high score list later!

Thanks for watching!

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>>160043321
Ooh, congratulations. I need to play more of DU2 myself sometime.

>>160042201
I'm obligated to have at least one picture of him. I think I have two in total, and the other one is a group shot anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKeNQPmZGd8

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>>160045032
What a qt!

>>160043321
I've uploaded the run on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Pu5XDHhmY

>>160045032
What's that track at 7:50?

>>160045032
Too old.

>>160052908
Ach Klabauti...

>>160050795
UN Squadron/Area 88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI0JrfFDMuM

>>160043321
>>160049492
Congrats

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D-don't die!

>>160062256
Is she playing psikyo?

space harrier

>>160062256
Let it die in peace.

who else listens to podcasts while shmuping? it makes me less anxious.

>>160069590
I used to until I noticed how much worse my performance was while listening to them, so I stopped.

>>160069721
i meant in practice, which is what i mostly what i do anyway. haven't tried it in runs.

HELP

Should I buy Dodonpachi right now or wait for a sale?

>>160070618
Well, do you want to play it?

>>160070618
i'll buy it after getting 2-all in each previous doodoopoopuchi game. by that time they should fix all the bugs,

>>160070565
Same deal for me desu, makes me think about my mistakes less

>>160069590
Sometimes, or I play other music, but then I feel like I'm tainting the game and its sonic experience by doing it.

>>160069590
I do, it makes long practice sessions easier.

>>160069590
Yep, me! I watch youtube videos and listen to podcasts while practicing.

>it makes me less anxious
Same.

Is the final boss of DOJ static? I've got him down more or less but I'm worried there's some RNG I'm not aware of that will fuck me over during a real run

>>160070618
How bad do you want to play it? I bought it on day one and am glad I did.

>>160077198
His movement is random which affects the patterns

>>160077572
Sorry I mean the regular final boss not TLB

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Wake up /shmupg/

CCWI Boost is pretty exciting. I don't really understand scoring there, but the dodging tickles my fancy something fierce.

>>160080356
It's for Psikyo lover.

Shumps!

>>160082197
We Psikyo now?

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Is this game good?

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Windia will save /shmupg/, no matter what it takes!

futari steam when

>>160086429
Get well soon, Windia.

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>>160073317
>>160073829
>>160075323
>>160076317
what podcasts?

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who /pb/ here?

51 milly get

>>160090592
>>160043321 reporting.

>>160090783
TEAM PB REPREZENT

I am saddened by the lack of guwange players in the west though, why did aquas quit so early when he seemed to love it? westies are quitters and shitters.

Any tips for playing guwange? I dont really know how to best use this familiar and I get the feeling there's some characteristic about it that I'm missing.

I don't like DFK 1.5 but I keep playing it....

>>160090592
Nice1, what is your next goal?

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>>160090592
By a whole seventy thousand points.

Heil shmupler

>>160040876
all shmup girls are trannies

>>160099346
unhealthy addiction

>>160100918
Don't care, hail our shmuptrannies

Bombaaaa

>>160090323
Last podcast on the left, usually. But it could be anything.

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witch.tv/vgchoochoo

This twitch is currently playing Blue Revolver, if you guys wanna take a peek.

>>160095841
>Any tips for playing guwange?
Yes lots, what's your issue?

>>160112508
no

>>160095841
>I dont really know how to best use this familiar
You mean the shiki? it is used for cancelling bullets and slowing them down when it comes into contact. Half of the art with guwange is mastering the multi tasking aspect of switch between shiki and shot for movement.

>>160113036
Well I only just started playing it but my main questions would be how exactly does bullet canceling work? Is it like pro-gear where the bullets are canceled if you destroy an enemy that's near them with your familiar?

Also I notice that boss fights drag on for a while, is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

>he doesn't monkey-paste his routes

>>160114919
>how exactly does bullet canceling work?
after you paint over a bullet and it changes colour if you kill something it will cancel the bullets painted into gold coins.>>160114919
>Also I notice that boss fights drag on for a while, is this normal or am I doing something wrong?
Hmm Tried using the shiki exclusively on them? When you get above 1000 coins at bosses if you hold it on the boss and hold c whilst tapping a coins will stream.

>>160114919
just to expand a little, bullets will quickly change back to blue and continue fast if not cancelled.

>>160114946
making your own routes is fun!

>>160115197
>Hmm Tried using the shiki exclusively on them?
Now that I did, it does seem to do more damage. Finding good opportunities to use it without getting smacked in the face seems like it will be tough.

>>160115324
>bullets will quickly change back to blue and continue fast if not cancelled.
So they gain a speed boost if you fail to cancel them?

>>160116769
>So they gain a speed boost if you fail to cancel them?
In arcade they return to default i believe, in blue label they accelerate. The skill is really all in learning to move effectively in conjunction with placing your shiki well and switching between focus and shot to maneuver. The levels are all about routing good placement going into each section. Stg archive is uploading my 51 mill pb atm so i'l link you that when its done and talk to through some aspects of it to help. Who are you using btw?

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>>160117741
Shishin, because I liked his backstory the most and the other two looked lame.
As of right now the farthest I've gotten is somewhere after the spider cat. I've mostly just been fooling around trying to get a feeling for the game but so far this is the most I've enjoyed a Cave game, I think I'll put in a good amount of time into this one.
Also fug that graveyard, it's been giving me quite a bit of problems. Still cant into shiki placement.

>>160118953
Excellent because i'm a shishin player predominately to so i'l be able to help you more when the replays uploaded. So the big thing to learn with shishin is due to his shot being multi direction it's easy to accidentally kill enemies that you're trying to use to cancel with and get twatted by bullets.

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>>160119575
Sweet, thanks a lot cee senpai.
I'll make sure to put in some practice once my fingers stop hurting.

some good streamers right now on https://www.twitch tv

/komeijisatori
>garegga pirate chinese bootleg

/aquas
>pork

/gunnerstg
>progia

what music genre inspired battle garegga ost? i forgot how it's called. someone posted a good playlist of that genre but i didn't save it, so post it again please.
also post some good playlists to listen while practicing! any genre will do.
https://youtu.be/1BK5ACIbJRI

>>160122036
Detroit Techno?

>>160122036
Here's some jazz I usually listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8F6B0753B2CCA128

>>160122036
deep house/outsider house, techno, ambient/watheverwave

anything else doesn't fit with shmups imo

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>>160088562
Yes, she's very sick, isn't she.

>>160121009
no worries glad to help.

>>160122036
>what music genre inspired battle garegga ost?
Detroit techno specifically underground resistance. Yuzo koshiro was also a massive detroit tech fan, sor3 ost is basically a remake/homage to jeff mills style.

Artists to go youtube digging for
jeff mills
kevin saunderson
suburban knight
aril brikha
derrick may
juan atkins
inner city
mike banks
terrence dixon
M.K (mark kitchen)
cark craig

>>160127403
cool, i wanna download all this shit

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>>160129534
I played this as a kid! Really cool game!

>>160130104
yeah, i'm too

>>160130420
but only now i know all secrets and tricks

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I am getting physically angry.

I feel like a retard everytime I die in this game.

>>160137442
CAVEbabby's first methodical masterpiece

>>160137527
I play gradius a lot, but fucking Rtype is just nuts on the area control required.

>>160137732
To add, I think the weapons in RTYPE games are fun as shit to use. Too bad I suck at the actual game.

>>160129534
Love this style of shmup

>>160144987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK_O5VvQ7rs

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Post some of your favorite shmup music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8d5CdyAKA&list=PLznCyj428Kd-IzpafRa9Cx67_wnUy33vu&index=6

>>160146485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VNcVD5zlrk

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>>160146485
https://youtu.be/0HqUlYqTZNw
https://youtu.be/WbBGFKHu0c8
https://youtu.be/iShGAt_TMU8

>>160122036
>"""""""inspired""""""""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aDE6rVxELE

>>160146485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHJJ0Q9xaa8

I love this song so much, but it also makes me very sad. ;_; Everytime I listen to it, I feel like the little kid I was in the 90s when my life wasn't complete shit.

And I like this one a lot:
Mushihimesama Futari OST - Bestial Beat (Boss)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMyF0_WmGQ

All this thread is, is people bumping it from death. Shouldn't be a general desu. Dead thread dead gen.

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>Dodonpachi Unlimited : January 2017
>Mushihimesama Gold Label : 6 December 2016
We mobage now!

>>160149041
Why are you still here then

>tfw just say the thread drop from page 3 to 5 in the blink of an eye
>tfw didn't even get to chill on page 4 at all

>>160150530
Good. Stage 4 is always the worst stage.

>>160149041
>All this thread is, is people bumping it from death.
pretty sure most of it still is shmup discussion

>page 10
well it is embarrassing but i have to bump this thread now

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>>160154164
You get used to it.

気を付けてください

気を付けなくて被弾した

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>>160122036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm03hY5fmsI

>>160159725
Thanks for this, comfy listening to this and reading.

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I'm bored and hungry but also tired and comfy so I don't feel like dragging my stick out and practicing even though I could really use it. So instead I'm going to attempt to start a conversation to keep the thread alive!

What kind of video game genres, outside of shmups, do the people of /shmupg/ play? Are there really people here who play exclusively shmups...? I dabble in almost all genres except MMO, MOBA, RTS, and the like. I'm going through Disgaea 3 at the moment, starting to reach out into the postgame, and I'm sure that's going to be... f-fun.

>>160164573
>What kind of video game genres, outside of shmups, do the people of /shmupg/ play? Are there really people here who play exclusively shmups...?

I like to keep gaming time to a 1-3 hr maximum in the week with a little more on a sunday so i tend to focus on a single game for long periods now regardless of genre. That said I play arcade racers and have grinded for time attacks in the same way i play shmups mainly in wipeout 3,outrun 2 and ridge racer 4/V and i fucking love flatout 2. Before shmups i was hardcore into fighters namely sf3 3rd strike but shmups pulled me away big league. One of my fav games of all time that i've played through a host of times is Genji on the ps2, same setting/atmosphere as guwange which probably explains that also i went on a puzzle game 1cc binge as a break from shmups a whilst ago same with run n guns like metal slug and elevator action returns but right now i play guwange exclusively with an occasional credit in batrider and occasional go on flatout2.

>>160164573
I like other arcade games, 2D platformers, TPS/FPS and WRPG's. I can honestly see myself playing exclusively shmups in a few years though. The less time I have to spend on video games the more I gravitate towards stuff that's fast paced and challenging since a session of it will leave me satisfied.

>>160164573
mostly arcade action games and roguelites(isaac, spelunky etc.), but i also play shit like neptunia and mario party to chill.
>Are there really people here who play exclusively shmups...?
i'm neet, but out of 11 games i play atm i can rarely give enough attention to even half of them before the day ends, internet is too fucking addicting and i want to watch some movie/anime too. with a full-time job i'd probably focus on shmups too, i already give them more time than any other genre.

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play ccwi on gamepad pretty uncomfortable, as any other games with 3 action buttons.

>>160169017
its 2016 my dude, past time you got a stick and became an arcade samurai

or use a keyboard, that works for the touhou tryhards

>>160169017
The most faggot cunt hands i've ever seen, makes me wanna punch some manhood into him desu.

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>>160171460
>tfw get western record (literally nothing meme.jpg) in guwange using an 8 quid usb pad, pic related.

Where is your stick god now?

>>160171647
the stick has yet to make its move - you beat a keyb record, doesn't count!

>>160171717
>the stick has yet to make its move
Well nearly every score on farm beneath proms is stick so, but i await western stick glory to dethrone me! Until then i will press on with operation #lessbadiwithapad

>>160169017
that's why you need to use trigger buttons if you're a pad player.

>>160171460
stick is too pricey for me

>>160172173
Trump will make sticks affordable - just you wait

>>160172435
Well even if he doesn't the refined healthcare and lower taxation will leave you with more money for one, unless you're a scummy welfare queen that believes in the socialist dream of a lil gibs in exchange for complete government control of your life, look at the black community for a look at how successful that is..

>>160164573
Mech games and combat flight sims.

>spending the first 30 seconds of CCWI restarting over and over again
Yay what a fun game to play!

>>160173316
don't bitch, nobody is forcing you to score high.

>>160173463
Just because you score high doesn't mean you have to make it stupidly difficult to the point where can't control it no matter how much you practice. Especially in the first 30 seconds of the game.

Apart from this, the game is meant to be played for score you dumbfuck.

>>160173512
the game is made for talented japs, your own fault for playing it as gaijin

>>160171647
how the fuck are you even supposed to play precision movement requiring games with d pad like that

>>160173902
It's a pretty good d pad.

>>160173621
Then the game shouldn't be on Steam, but arcade-only.

>>160173512
>the game is meant to be played for score you dumbfuck.
nobody is talking about completely ignoring scoring system you dumbfuck, just don't restart stage 1 over and over if you don't enjoy it, you aren't going for WR for fuck's sake and if you do, stop bitching.
>>160173621
pretty much, scoring was designed to be challenging even for top japs.

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>>160174353
>Then the game shouldn't be on Steam, but arcade-only.

>>160174357
>you aren't going for WR for fuck's sake
But I'm going for PBs, you dumbfuck, and fucking up the first 30 seconds of stage 1 makes you lose a shitton of points, which I need for PBs.

>>160173902
Well i mean before i started guwange i almost 2-alled ketsui with it, also got a current E batrider advance pb,a 22mill esprade clear and a 2-6 strikers 1945 pb after just under 50 hrs of play so it's obviously a pretty good pad for me. I have a sanwa stick that i used for 4 years and i've beat every score i ever did with it so maybe you just suck.

>>160174492
beat the game first, you dubmfuck, that would give you PB.

>>160174525
Bullshit. Survival means nothing in this game. It's all about scoring.

>>160174583
i've heard you get a big ass bonus for no-missing the game. either way bitching won't make you better.

>>160174583
>Bullshit. Survival means nothing in this game. It's all about scoring.
Is that why arcadia gives clears priority over scoring runs that dont clear? You should refined your strats to be a little less risky and the clear will give you slightly more in total, god you're a noob.

>>160174621
I'm still far away from no-missing the game though. And bitching also doesn't make the game better.

>>160174659
>And bitching also doesn't make the game better.
das rite. so just stop.

>>160174636
If I would play even less risky, I wouldn't beat my score anymore, you retard.
I already made it to stage 5 boss with my PB. The rest also doesn't give you much more points.

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>>160174659
>I'm still far away from no-missing the game though.
You should try a ibuffalo snes pad then desu, stick is clearly holding you back.

>>160174695
It's you who is bitching though, because you just blindly defend shitty unbalanced game design.

>>160174778
>because you just blindly defend shitty unbalanced game design.
that's not what bitching means you dumfuck. you are the one trying to be hard shit and then bitch when things don't go your way. answer me, how come players that have a higher score than you can overcome this "shitty unbalanced game design"? and how often do you hear them bitching?

>>160174907
>you are the one trying to be hard shit
I'm just playing the gamehow it is meant to be played. I play for score, and for my PB, every point counts.

>how often do you hear them bitching?
I don't know, because I do not follow any of these gay forums or twitter cuck accounts. Iconoclast for example though also already "bitched" about that the game is frustrating, and he rather wants to play Mario Kart.

>>160174507
>so maybe you just suck.
why are you making assumptions from a question like that

>>160175018
>I'm just playing the gamehow it is meant to be played.
scoring high is end-game, if not post-game content that is aimed at 1% of all players, most are happy with a clear and you haven't even got it yet. first and foremost games are meant to be fun, and believe it or not most people have fun credit-feeding through this game, most people who bought it didn't bothered to get even novice 1cc, yet user reviews are overwhelmingly positive. what i'm trying to say is, don't do what's not fun to you, becouse you sound like you are not having fun, like you are forced at a gunpoint to get PB before anything else. go try unlimited or something or finally get a clear.

>>160175457
>assumptions
>not the 900 hrs it takes you to get a good score in any game

TOP FUCKING KEK

>>160175508
>scoring high is end-game
I also don't score. Compared to top scores, my score mediocre as fuck.

>believe it or not most people have fun credit-feeding through this game
Yes, they do. For the 30 minutes they spend time playing it, sure.

>user reviews are overwhelmingly positive
Steam reviews are also full of noobs who merely spend 2 hours playing the game.

>you sound like you are not having fun
And? Life is not always just about having fun. For achievements you also have to work you know.

>>160174621
Kraut is actually right. Survival in CCWI is a way to throw all your potential points away, and since you can't really score on the TLB, it gives you little. It mostly just gives you the magical clear to make your score valid. I think it is deeply satisfying to defeat the TLB in a run, though.

>>160176809
>Survival in CCWI is a way to throw all your potential points away
i'm only saying that points is not the only way you can have fun with the game, it's more of a reason to continue having fun after clearing the game or way to make early levels more fun, not a reason to bitch that the game is broken. not to mention that unless someone with actual achievements(i.e. not iconoclast and other westies who were never the target audience for shmups anyway) says that it's broken, it's not.
>>160176758
>And? Life is not always just about having fun. For achievements you also have to work you know.
Unless it's WR your achievements mean anything only for you, don't take it so seriously.

>>160177675
>points is not the only way you can have fun with the game, it's more of a reason to continue having fun after clearing the game
Pretty much all the top scorers on steam never played the game for survival. They played for score from day 1, because that's the way the game is meant to played.

>don't take it so seriously
I'm not taking anything too seriously. I only say that the difficulty in the game is unbalanced. You also can make games too difficult, and this game is clearly such a case. The enormous difficult spike in the first 30 seconds of the game already only proves this point. That's the problem with bullet hell games in general. They always throw so much shit at you, that the difficult partly gets out of control.

>tfw beat someones score so hard they removed me

>>160178217
>Pretty much all the top scorers on steam never played the game for survival. They played for score from day 1, because that's the way the game is meant to played.
you don't know that. you said you don't follow anyone on twitter etc. it's entirely possible they got a shitty clear first just to check out the game, probably took them less than 20 hours which is fucking nothing so why not?
>You also can make games too difficult, and this game is clearly such a case
it's clearly a case of someone who is bad whining.
>I only say that the difficulty in the game is unbalanced
you are noob and aren't that good. opinion discarded.
scoring in this game was meant for someone who scored in a womb. so shut the fuck up.

>>160179584
>you don't know that
Makki said it his guide, Jaimers said on youtube that he only cleared the game once, Iconoclast has so little playtime that it's very unlikely that he ever played for anything but score, and people like ISO don't play for survival anyway.

>it's clearly a case of someone who is bad whining.
Call it whatever you want. No need to get so butthurt because someone criticizes your game.
You probably never even really played the game seriously anyway.

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DOJBL by jp player

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>>160181092
>No need to get so butthurt because someone criticizes your game.
it has nothing to do with the game, nobody likes whining, and your original post was certainly whining.
>waah is not fun ;_;

>>160182808
>being this butthurt although you are complete shit at the game anyway
Face it. Cave style is retarded unbalanced crap. No wonder they never playtested their games for score, because nobody wants to suffer through this unbalanced shit.

>>160183357
cave scoring is for men, bitch

>>160183397
Cave scoring is unbalanced crap. The fact that you can counterstop every second Cave game proves this point. There is no thought put at all into it.

>>160183526
scoring in cave games is so deep measuring it would delay release for years. something like ikarugah is a puddle in comparison.

What nobody realized was that kraut was sincere when he said ""what a fun game to play!"

>>160183526
Dumb cunt the only game that seriously underestimated scoring potential was futari 1.5 ultra, all the other counterstops are only barely achievable. The guwange WR is 103 mill with gensuke and barely 100/101 with the other 2 ie you need a perfect game and then some to get it. Cuck,

>cave drones itt

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>check out /shmupg/ once a week
>scroll down
>it's a shitfight

>>160185727
To be fair, it's only 50 posts out of 337

>>160184265
>something like ikarugah is a puddle in comparison
post your ikaruga score or stfu
you have no idea what you are talking about
ikaruga also has deep scoring, but it's actually balanced

Cave is just Garegga-tier retarded, full of shit the devs never even thought about

restartsyndrome is dead? i send mail with request for some games, but they silent

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It's time we settled this once and for all.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11651024

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guwange blue 75 milly, get in lads #gobigorgohome #fuckthecuck #KBRsehole

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>>160189161
Wasnt it 50 mill a couple days ago, damn that was fast.