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Previous: >>159836597

>[Knights of the Round Table bait gacha]
From 11/9 until 11/16

-New interludes for Gilgamesh(NP gain) and KoGil

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/news.php
- New vers - emulators, rooted androids, jailbroken iPhones&androids with developer options on are prevented from launching game
- Mashu's voice actress has been replaced with Rie Takahashi as Risa Taneda remains on hiatus to recover from illness. Her other roles remain unchanged
>New bond CEs:
http://news.fate-go.jp/2016/d2nmp3/
-Rare Prisms have been added to Da Vinci's Shop (Gained from using 4* or 5* servants as Reinforcement materials or burning, Welfare servants excluded)
-Rare Prisms are used to purchase previous event items
-Next stream 12/6
-Babylon coming in December
-Christmas Rerun and part 2 coming in December
-FGO Anime announced

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>TLs Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/cJ9J0t45

>FL Spreadsheet
Add yourself https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScCq3eZgh3zlUtZ3G6Y-zzv1kaXt4GHuWVBRlV__V3Q3rC2Pg/viewform
View list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FSN1kmzso2itgjWzaGfysZ5WhEjiL5EcyjGr4k6DffA

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org

>Alternate servant/CE DB
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html

>CMs
http://www.mediafire.com/download/960gn6g6w2p0l8q/FGO+Material+I.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wj405jjjc9ly94e/FGO+Material+II.zip
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nth for Parvati
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What determines how many times an enemy will attack?
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best eniya, proof me wrong you can't
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>>159862059
Their coding.
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>>159862072
>eniya
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>>159862072

He is a fucking manchild
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>>159862072
He's not Shirou.
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I want to lick this hunny bunny's cunny!
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>>159862171
why would you want to lick the exhaust pipe of a space ship anon?
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Sita when?
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>>159862234
When people stop trying to fuck Rama as if he was her
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I don't know why Fukusawa fucked up the UBW OST so much with forgettable tracks when Garden of Avalon music is great.
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>>159862234
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>>159862280
Everyone involved with UFO UBW phoned it in, much like GO.
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>>159862335
What do you mean?
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>>159862280
Because he made the OST to fit each scene it was played in. Most tracks only play once or twice during the whole anime.
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>>159862354
What I said, they phoned it in. They weren't working to their usual standard, as can be seen a lot in art assets for GO, the OST and animation for UBW and other shit. Nightingales artist was posting way better art of her then was in game on his fucking twitter.
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>>159862315
Season 2 never.
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>>159862280
>Implying Kajiura is any better
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Nobu a CUTE.
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Why were Fukusawa and Miura booted out of HF?
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>>159862425
There's OVA
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>>159862280
Mahoyo's was also great. For UBW he used a different method to compose the music, he basically composed to fit the visuals rather than do anything in advance. UBW had a lot of scheduling issues which could've also caused problems.
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>>159862487
They thought Sudou would do a better job, dunno about Fukusawa
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>>159862280
Fukusawa is talented and his tracks are nice, but they are never suitable for an anime. It just seems he's making a OST for a game or a VN. There's absolutely no correlation between the music and the animation, he cannot really bring anything to the atmosphere and all his tracks sound video gameish. Not just in UBW, but also in Vividred operation. Kawaii was the best OST-maker of Fate franchise, he actually brought out the characterization out of fucking DEEN to make it even more of a feat while Fukusawa ost brought down UBW anime by far. There were times I wish it was muted because the music sounded out of place. Kajiura's OST was a mixed bag but it always enchanted the scene, so did its purpose. Most of the Waver/Iskandar-related OST was really fucking good too. It was a little repetitive on other characters, though, but there was a certain sense of ambience that she created that Fukusawa failed.
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>>159862535
Man Deen anime really did have some good OST
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>>159862535
This
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>>159862072
>Emiya Kiritsugu’s right hand continued its work of writing while his left hand mechanically shoveled his nutrition – hamburgers from a fast food restaurant he bought while investigating – into his mouth. For nine years, Emiya Kiritsugu had eaten at the table of the Einsberns, who were merely a hair removed from royalty themselves. He had grown tired of the cuisine. This fast food, filled with the sense of slaughter, was more suited to his tastes. Being able to eat without interrupting one’s words or thoughts was better than anything, no matter how you looked at it.

FILLED WITH THE SENSE OF SLAUGHTER.
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HONNOUJI RERUN WHEN
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>>159862680
>Once within the confines of the Reality Marble, all of his weapons are produced and ready to attack, which means that the Gate of Babylon's slightly slower summoning rate allows Shirou to hone in on Gilgamesh to fight and defeat him at close range. He is unable to handle Shirou's attacks, which forces him to allows his own weapons to be destroyed in order to counter Shirou's projections

How does that work with that one interview saying that Shirou effectively can't add new weapons to UBW after it's been deployed?
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>>159862604
Pretty much it's one good point but man is it a good point
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>>159862767
I like how they drew saber's face in general and yeah that's it
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>>159862761
where is the p0n0s
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>>159862843
Right here
*unzips dick*
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>>159862761
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>Hakuno is still a voiceless self insert in Extella
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>>159862767
i think they handled the ending really well and the voice actors and soundtrack really brought it to life
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>>159862905
And at least people had noses.
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>>159862905
Nakata is a god no matter how poorly he's animated or written.
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>>159862960
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EVIL FOX
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>>159862905
Gil is so much better in Fate route, I will never forgib UFO for choosing UBW
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>>159862727
>Q: Is it possible to recreate swords consumed or broken within the bounds of Unlimited Blade Works without the use of prana?
>A: The prana expenditure required for the formation and upkeep of the Reality Marble would be continuous, but armaments already formed upon the deployment of the Reality Marble would be without cost. However, the recreation of items destroyed and the fresh creation of items not in existence at the time of deployment would expend significant amounts of prana.
With the weapons he saw from Gil fighting Herc, the sneak attack on Archer, and Gil toying with him pre-ubw he probably didn't have to create too much inside.
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>>159862843
A bit lower
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>November is going to be a Riyo event
I would be okay with this as he deserves it.

Who will Gudako summon?
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>>159862904
>people will still claim Hakuno is not a self insert after Extella
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>>159863025
>boring plain designs with nothing but memes
You cocksuckers eat up anything. Gudao and riyo fags are getting worse than the waifufags
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So why doesn't Nasu show his face? How does he do interviews?
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>>159863061
Riyo is literally the most talented person working on Grand Order and everything he gives us is a godsend.
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>>159863001
UBW is the true sequel to Zero when you think about it
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>>159863079
>he
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>>159863079
Maybe he wears a mask
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>>159863079
Nasu is kinda like Daft Punk.
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>>159863096
>you will never go back in time and kill Miura to stop his abomination
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>>159863079
Takeuchi and Nasu are actually the same person. How do you think he came up with Shiki?
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>>159863096
That's an asinine argument. Zero was written to be a prequel to all three routes of F/SN.
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>>159860707
>Shirou has nearly every single one of his important character-monologues about his ideals and past removed, his banter with Rin is severely limited, and the removal of the death scenes + alterations made to the Gilgamesh, Kuzuki, and Archer fights removes any sense of danger being posed towards him
>Instead he's a standard oblivious MC with no idea Rin is into him until near the end of the show, has mild PTSD and survivor's guilt instead of being barely human in any meaningful sense mentally, and appears to have ten layers of plot armour
>His romance with Rin is fucking ruined by this as well as the inclusion of the Realta Nua scene which makes it feel like it has no proper climax/consumation before the epilogue - something that could have been fixed with a tasteful fade to black
>le invisible air can kill berserker xD isn't Saber great - takeuchi
>Kuzuki's fighting style is never explained properly and as a result his fight with Saber and then getting reamed by Shirou makes no fucking sense
>Changes made to the fight with Archer completely alter the tone and meaning of the scene - while the beginning alterations are fucking amazing the fact that Shirou then proceeds to fight him on near-even footing while barely sustaining any damage completely ruins the original idea of the fight being one where Shirou is beaten fucking senseless but manages to win purely by reminding Archer of the beauty of his ideals and by showing his conviction
>Fight against Gilgamesh is completely fucking retarded, its no longer Shirou desperately closing the gap between them to leverage Gilgamesh's lacking swordsmanship skills to press his one weak spot while using UBW for covering fire, but is instead Shirou dodging, blocking, and spinning his way through the now far-superior GoB by the skin of his teeth for three minutes before ending the battle in a single exchange - it makes no sense for him to be so strong
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>>159863025
>who will Gudako summon

May a naked udon servant
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Is Nasu a hassan? Is that why his concealment is above world level?
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>>159863183
Nope.
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>>159863001
Fate is a terrible route that everyone agrees is the worst of the three. UFO wants to make money so explain to me why they'd bother adapting a shit route first?
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>>159863079
Because Nasu is actually dead and it's been just Takeuchi running the show. Why else would you think there's so much saberfaces and no Tsukihime remake?
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>>159863152
>you will never go back to 2005 and kill Nasu and Takeuchi, leaving Fate as a great VN + fandisc without the sprawling additions of shit it has now
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>>159863359
>everyone agrees
Nope, I think UBW is worse
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>>159863359
DEEN/Stay Night was a huge success and people pay money hand over fist for more Seibah. Nasu has always said he wants to redo parts of Fate too.
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Master! It's time for your training! Reply to this post and do the last two digits of your post number as push ups! On the ground with you!
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>>159863382
>Urobuchi-san thought ‘Zero is a story based on Fate. So it’s better if Zero doesn’t become available to the public before Fate is released.’ Therefore, after waiting for a year, it was finally released in the winter of 2006. That’s how things went.
>Yes. Zero is canon, but at the same time it is another legend different from ‘Fate/stay night’.

You mean after 2008
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>>159863483
Ok.
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>>159863440
>yfw stay/night remake before tsukihime remake
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>>159863212
>Fight against Gilgamesh is completely fucking retarded, its no longer Shirou desperately closing the gap between them to leverage Gilgamesh's lacking swordsmanship skills to press his one weak spot while using UBW for covering fire, but is instead Shirou dodging, blocking, and spinning his way through the now far-superior GoB by the skin of his teeth for three minutes before ending the battle in a single exchange - it makes no sense for him to be so strong

He was tracing the weapons' abilities, giving him Servant-tier stats. It definitely makes sense for Shirou to BTFO Gil in UBW.
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>>159863491
Zero is great and all but it's not worth the secondaries. It can get axed along with the rest of the crap.
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>>159863504
And done.
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>>159863483
Sure, whatever.
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>>159863518
>stay/night remake
>ends up being inferior to 2004 version
>replaces it anyway
Stop trying to destroy the things you did that I actually liked Nasu
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>>159863547
>muh secondaries meme

Blame Nasu for insisting them to produce Zero before FSN.
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>>159863623
Zero was produced after a FSN adaption though

The real mistake was setting up the next FSN adaption as a direct sequel
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So how can they wank Saberfaces even futher? Making all grand servants Saberfaces?
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>>159863592
Have fun with that.
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>>159863664
Miura's decision. Nasu wanted to rewrite the Fate route to make it fit in anime format.
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>>159863680
One of Solomon's mums is a Saberface so they aren't too far off
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I want to sleep with Atalanta!
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>>159863680
Jesus was a saberface.
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>>159863680
They can make Arcueid a canon Saberface
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I want to make music with Liz!
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>Nero is Saber Venus, first and final route of Extella and probably a whole bunch of other wank
I bet Sakurai is to blame for this.
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What order do you max Waver's skills? 3 > ? > ?
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>>159864254
Why do they even bother drawing armpits like that if they won't make them hairy? What a disappointment Liz is so cute she would be perfect for it
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>>159864391
3>2>1
If you have a really good quick team 3>1>2 might be better but the defense buff is more useful overall
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>>159864408
Your taste is appalling.
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I am going to mating press Nero and no one can stop me!
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>>159863483
How much does Alex work out?
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>>159864552
Eh have fun
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>>159864565
Not much, he isn't natty
>when you see a divine blood abuser in the gym
Fuckers
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>>159864312

How does she becomes Saber Venus?
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>>159864628
He says he trains quite a lot in his room lines.
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>>159864724
She kills this cutie and absorbs her powers.
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>>159864849

Nero was a mistake.
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>>159864914
So was Extella
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Was the Einzbern Consultation Room partially responsible for Zero's success?

Would UBW have been successful if it had Taiga Dojo bonus episodes?
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>>159863365
Because Nasu is lazy 80% of the time and he doesn't dare stand between Takeuchi and his waifus. He's got Dark Souls to play.
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>>159862727
>Shirou effectively can't add new weapons

He can, it's just he needs to expend energy to do it. For some reason, the RM only violates equivalent exchanged while undeployed.
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>>159864949
Not with English audiences for the most part, since those sections weren't included with the rest of the episodes.
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>>159864849
>We couldn't protect that smile
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Maple's new OC saber looks pretty nice.
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>>159864408
Why would you want disgusting hair on perfect armpits like that?
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>>159864970

Put yourself in his shoes, would you rather play a game you like or spend 3 hours listening to your buddy talk about why his waifu is the best and should be the strongest ever?

Nasu is a victim here.
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>>159865046
Looks like the same twig shit he draws every single time
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>>159864949
Based Miura giving us Sunny Day and YOU WILL LIKE IT.
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All these beautiful looking people

And then there's Lancelot
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>>159865046

Casual clothes ver
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>>159865046

>oc donut steel

Dropped.
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>>159865061

Nasu is a girl though, Takeuchi is her BF

Saber was created based on Nasu
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>>159865135
I see nothing wrong with Liu here. It's not like they haven't made other original servants.
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>>159865130
>that anatomy and proportions
l
o
l
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>>159865120
What's this from and why isn't Agravain in the shot? Did Mordred need a footstool to be seen from the back row?
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>>159864565
I did 2 sets of 30, is that okay?
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>>159864597
Of course I will. Nero is nothing but fun.
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>>159865056
Historical accuracy
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>>159865113

I liked it

>>159864931

We wouldn't have gotten cute hunny bunny without it
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>>159865178
Nasu is in an open relationship with both Takeuchi and Urobuchi.
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>>159865046
>>159865130
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>>159865221
Seems fine tome.Just the art.

>>159865226
Wish I could do that.
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>>159865224
He's busy taking the picture

And i think it's a doujin?
>>159865130
Hot
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>>159865226
At least you did something master! Unlike those weaklings that won't even reply!
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>>159865312
>seems fine to me
You've never seen a human have you
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>>159865268

No, Urobuchi tried to NTR Nasu from Takeuchi but true love is too strong and she came back to him
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>>159865269
Get that western shit outta here.
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>>159865120
This is porn, isn't it?
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>>159865353
Did Nasu at least suffer from some moral degeneration and corruption before being purified by Takeuchi's true love?
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>>159865319
>>159865364
It says Kadokawa Comics on the bottom left side and Type-Moon in the top right so it should be something vaguely official.
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>>159865441
Yeah, but is it porn?
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>>159864814
Training is a euphemism for gay sex, he is greek
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>>159865353
Nasu was a cheating whore who chased after Urobuchi and convinced him to write Fate Zero. Takeuchi being a loyal and faithful man cooperated because his love remains eternal.
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>>159865046
>>159865130

>Liu Xiu

Eeeh
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>>159865120
>Smiling Arturia

The tits gave her emotions.
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>>159865439

Yes
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>>159865624
Not like smiling is foreing to her,anon
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>>159865120
TRISTAN WAKE UP FOR THE GROUP PHOTO GODDAMMIT
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>>159865439

Nasu has a womb tattoo with "Gen's property" on it
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This bait Gacha was not a mistake.
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>>159865693

>OOC garbage
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>>159865548

Fuck off, Nasu-chan is cute and pure. She is best girl
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It's only a matter of time before Jeanne Alter gets the Brynhildr's Beloved trait and they start flirting in events. I hate it.
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>>159865753
what isn't at this point
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>>159865745
Hot, but how do Wada, Sakurai and Higashide fit in?
>>159865843
If Riyo asks for it they will do it
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>>159865693
she is hot in that dress holy fuck wada is good.
I usually despise saber
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>>159865757
I began to hook Urobuchi Gen with baits such as ‘wanna go see a movie together?”. Although I was quite happy with Urobuchi’s reply “I’ll definitely do things that interest me”, I still told him “Nah, I was just kidding!”. That was because I suddenly realised I always gave up on projects by being like this, and I must see this one through. Maybe Fate will be the last game that is solely written by me. Therefore I decided to do it myself, and gave up on the plan of seeking his help.

Urobuchi Gen, a distinguished man of both the sword and the pen, who has both a calm and thorough objectivity and elegance in words. The swiftness of his sword can overcome the speed of sound. Also his ability to control the entire story is of the best quality in the PC game world, and has created many outstanding works up till now. He’s already an assassin or half-vampire. Should be cannibalism next. His motto is ‘hum, this is pretty tasty’. He even thinks of himself as one of the great men of the time.

A new Fate painted by his hand. I, as the original author, was more deeply moved by its charm than anyone else.

It was too surprising. But because my disposition as Urobuchi’s fan was too intense, it was too hard for me to speak such a request; it was like making a demand to a god. I gave the question to Takeuchi in a roundabout way “… Um, if it’s brought up by you, Takeuchi, he might find it pretty hard to refuse…”. Therefore, at one time when we were dining with Urobuchi, Takeuchi said straightforwardly “Urobuchi-san, I’ve got something I want to talk to you about”. That was such a strong direct attack!! As ferocious as a spiral upward hook.

Yes. Spiral upward hook. I think those knowledgeable readers should know about it. Faced with such an attack, this man who often surpassed the reader’s imagination only hummed and nodded slightly, and made a clever counter move.
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Anyone got that Hervor servant profile?
I need it.
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>>159865929
Honestly, I even wanted to break my pen. I remember watching Spidermen II. When I saw Peter wishing that he doesn't have the power to change his body, I also thought 'Perhaps, I wish to never write another script again!'

Therefore, I visited my friend Nasu Kinoko's house on the afternoon of the next day, and wanted to tell him my true intention. But before I spoke with him about what I've been thinking in my heart, Takashi Takeuchi got ahead of me and started talking. And as soon as he spoke he brought up an unthought-of proposal.

The parts afterwards are the same as Kinoko's notes. Although the initial plan was just a short piece describing the duel between Kiritsugu and Kirei, the wings of imagination can't be stopped once it is spread opened and finally all seven Masters and their Servants are gathered together. I found myself once again immersed in the joy of weaving together a story. It can be said that the launch of Fate/zero saved my writing career.

Right now, I've writing a piece that is saved and has a perfect ending. To be more accurate, writing a part of this piece.

Yes. This marvellous piece called Fate - its perfect united ending surrounding the protagonist Emiya Shirō is a set fact. No matter how cruel the end of Zero turns out to be, it wouldn't affect the perfect finish of this entire work.

Right now, I've finally got a chance to write a tragic ending according to my heart's desire. No matter how I display the darkness inside my heart, from an overall look I am nevertheless a partner of 'the warrior of love, Nasu Kinoko'.
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>>159865929
Holy shit Nasu really wanted that edgy cock in her didn't she?
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>>159864849
>have to kill Altera to give worst girl more power

What the fuck is wrong with Nasu
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NASU: What, you expected me to be all like "How fare you this fine morn, my liege?" [laughs]

OTA: If thou were, I would have been in trouble! [laughs]
But you both turned out to be fine, upstanding guys. The impression was so strong, though, that when people ask me what you're both like in person, I always answer that you're like a couple of samurai.

NASU: Takeuchi is the samurai... I'm more like the village Geisha... Uh, no. More like I'm the totally useless young lord of the castle.

OTA: No, no, you're both like noble samurai! Well, that's the impression I got. Especially Mr. Takeuchi- he was like a swordsman from the Tokugawa era. He gave off this intense aura... It was like he wouldn't care if you said something rude to him, but if you insulted Mr. Nasu, then he'd slice you in two there and then.
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>>159866065
Just blame Sakurai.
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>>159865998
Please don't bully Karna.
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Will Raikou or Shuten win the Kintoki bowl?
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I can either waste all my AP now on bones or wait a hour for the refresh and farm that. What do you guys think will be next?
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>>159865693
That looks forced but the Kadokawa picture looks natural and sort of smug.
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>>159866115
>died single
It's too late
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>>159865120
Is she smug because of boobs?
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>>159866076

Such a cute couple

Takeuchi x Nasu OTP
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>>159866117
Heroes Proof
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>>159866076

>Takeuchi is the samurai... I'm more like the village Geisha.

Nasu confirmed to be a girl, you can go home now folks
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>>159866076
That's so fucking gay. I love it
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>>159866203
Nasu Kinoko X Takeuchi Takashi X Urobuchi Gen OTP

http://tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html
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>>159866271

>Gay

You mean hetero
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>>159866341
>two girls loving each other
>hetero
What?
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>>159866271
Nasu - Iri
Takeuchi - Saber
Urobuchi - Kiritsugu
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>>159866327

No, fuck off. Urobuchi is a sick fuck who deserves no love

>>159866371

>Takeuchi
>a girl
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>>159866396

That would imply Nasu and Urobuchi is canon and fuck you

More like

Takeuchi - Tokiomi
Nasu - Aoi

Urobuchi - Kariya
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>>159865889
>If Riyo asks for it they will do it
I still can't skip NP animations.
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>>159866409
Nasu still has feelings for Urobuchi otherwise he wouldn't have convinced him to write Accel Zero.
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>>159866470
>Takeuchi and Nasu are evil and abuse their creations
>Butcher attempts to save it but ends up making everything worse
All we need is for Butcher to kill Nasu for it to be 1:1
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So the Saber class is blatantly ripping off Sailor Moon now?
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>>159866537
Butcher didn't have as much creative freedom as everyone likes to think
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>>159866545

>It's using the name of planets!
>It must be copying Sailor Moon!
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>>159866537
>tokiomi
>evil and abusive
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Why are you guys shipping the nips with an eggplant?
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>>159866603
That's going to be the immediate association and reaction among the Japanese, yes. Sailor Moon is massive.
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>>159866246
I'd be ok with this since i've nearly run out of them ironically enough. Seems everything that wants them wants at lest 30 at a time.
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>>159866537

>Kariya
>Not a selfish fuck who screwed up everything because of his petty revenge

>Aoi
>evil

>Tokiomi
>not a guy who is only looking out for his family
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>>159866623
Did Tokiomi do anything wrong?
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>>159866690
He didn't I don't get why fags keep saying he did. Maybe not walking behind Kirei
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>>159866623
>literally stated that him being killed was the most positive influence on Rins life
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>>159866690

No, well he gave Sakura to the Matous but that couldn't be helped and also Sakura is shit so nobody cares
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>>159866736
What does that have to with him being evil?
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>>159866687
>Kariya
>selfish
>only for revenge
Do we really need to break down Kariyas entire backstory and role in Zero every single time people mention him because this meme won't die
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>>159866736

>Rin turns out to be a slut who sells her body to old men for jewels

If onyl she had more parental guidance
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>>159866793
The reason it's a positive influence is because Tokiomi is cold, self-serving and cruel, and if Rin had been around him long enough to realise that the perfect magus is a gigantic cunt it would have broken her spirit.

Butcher and Nasu literally say he's the dashing villain.
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>>159866729
Putting any amount of trust in the world's most notoriously dickish raisin can never be the right thing to do. Other than that, he did alright.
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If the ones that are only half Gudako are this lewd, I can't wait to see the pure Gudako Servant.
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>>159866802
Explain then
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>>159866871
All of that sounds like a more positive outcome than what she is now
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>>159866802

>Kariya
>Instead of telling the truth of the Matou to Aoi and Tokiomi ends up going to an empty crusade of revenge
>Instead of using Berserker to rape Zouken, ends up going all "muh revenge"
>Is even called out on his stupid behavior during Accell Zero
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Predictions for new hunting daily in 30mins?
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>>159866942
>Instead of telling the truth of the Matou to Aoi and Tokiomi ends up going to an empty crusade of revenge

Tokiomi already knew the truth but withheld it from Aoi. That's why Kariya didn't bring it up to him.
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>>159866942
>>Instead of telling the truth of the Matou to Aoi and Tokiomi
Aoi would be powerless to do anything about it and she's a doormat who goes along with her husband's shit anyway. Tokiomi made it explicitly clear that he would be fine with it.
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>>159866992

I just hope they don't do like last time when only the bones daily was actually good.
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I hope Raikou and Shuten get another gacha run one day and not have to wait a year for oni rerun
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>>159866997

He didn't know about the worms and the rape
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>>159866914
He gave up on Aoi because he knew that she would become Zoukens plaything, when Aoi married someone else he was totally fine with it and kept up relations with both of them, to the point where he knows their kids, and doesn't feel any bitterness over it at all since he knows it's for Aois sake, until Tokiomi then does exactly what Kariya gave up Aoi to prevent by selling Sakura to Zouken.

He then literally consigns himself to eventual and painful death whether he wins or loses just for a chance to save her. He doesn't hate Tokiomi until that point, doesn't act on that hate until he is literally dying and has gone insane, and then when he finally does die his last actions and thoughts are for Sakura.

Kariya is an idiot who only made everything worse with his bungling, but he had good intentions and was definitely not selfish.
>>159866942
Tokiomi knew the truth, Aoi had no influence whatsoever, Kariya didn't believe he could finish off Zouken before he could kill him or Sakura in retaliation (which might have been true) and Accel Zero is a fucking awful piece of trash where everyone is acting out of character and nothing makes sense.
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>>159864312
> first and final route

Wait what? I thought Altera was the final route. pls no more Nero wanking
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>>159867084

Tokiomi thought Zouken would use Sakura to create heirs, that's it. He didn't know about the methods

>>159867159
He didn't know the truth about the Matou, they're a mage family and mage family don't go spewing out their secrets to another mage family
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>>159866992
Hopefully some Proofs, I need a shit ton of those.
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>>159866894
Is the bunny subplot over?

It would be funny if th author is designing some Servants and just introducing them in a really weird way.
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>>159867159

>Kariya isn't selfish

He definitely is. Accell Zero confirms this.
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>>159867204
Altera is the third route but I think Saber has stuff going on after that.
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>>159867231
He didn't know absolutely everything about the Matou and Zouken, he did know that their magecraft was horrific mentally and physically and that it involved worm basements.

Tokiomi's thought process was "no hell can be worse then not being a magus, so Sakura will be happy".
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>>159867297
Christmas is coming, run it 10 times and you'll have 50 proofs, dust, claws and bones.
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>>159867316
Valid thought process,a dad only worried for the future of his child. Literally he and Kayneth should been have the ones to survive the 4th war best boys
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>>159867147
TMF: Did Tokiomi know what Sakura would go through after she had been adopted by the MATŌ?

U: What’s important for Tokiomi is not the position of parent, but the magical progression in his family. So he’s aware of having literally thrown away his daughter. You can imagine that Tokiomi says to himself that, through his dear daughter, he will come into have greater magical powers.

Tokiomi knew what Sakura would undergo but, for him, this would allow her to become a true mage. As long as it led to augmenting the magical potential of his family, he wouldn’t have any problem with the treatment of Sakura among the MATŌ. However, if he had known Sakura’s fate, of being only a womb for Zōken, he would have refused. He also imagined that if things went too far, Sakura would be able to stop Zōken herself. Unconsciously, even if he would never have said it, the fight between Sakura and Rin at the end of Heaven’s Feel was for him the best thing which could have happened for the TŌSAKA.
Aoi, on the other hand, knew nothing.

After Tokiomi's death, these assets were passed on to Aoi, and after Aoi's death they were passed on once more to Rin. Or at least, they should have been, but thanks to her legal guardian Kirei's naïve honesty and crude management, most of the valuable property was lost to other people. Then again, as a priest who values honest poverty, he probably thought it would be good for her from an educational standpoint. Just another thing for Rin to wallop him for, I guess.
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>>159867303
>literally kills himself for the sake of another
>this is selfish because of a short and shitty event in a mobage a decade after the LN where half the character don't even exist and everyone is acting insane
No.
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>>159867204
Nah, Saber route part 2 is the True Route.
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>>159867316

>He didn't know absolutely everything about the Matou and Zouken, he did know that their magecraft was horrific mentally and physically and that it involved worm basements.

No, he didn't knew about the Matou methods
mage family are secretive there is no way Zouken would reveal anything or Tokiomi for that matter

>Tokiomi's thought process was "no hell can be worse then not being a magus, so Sakura will be happy".

Yes but he didn't know about the Matou methods
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Gilgamesh is gonna fuck Altera.
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>>159867414
See >>159867386
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>>159867458
right in the pussy
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>>159867386
BEST DAD
>>159867387
>another
Kek
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>>159867386
Just goes to show Kirei did the right thing. True hero of Fate, that man.
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>>159867387

>kills himself for the sake of revenge
>is called out by Iskandar in F/Z Accell Zero because he was more interested in muh revenge than saving Sakura

>>159867386

> However, if he had known Sakura’s fate, of being only a womb for Zōken, he would have refused.

Thanks for proving my point.
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So who is moon Altera? The brain of giant Altera?
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artoria a coal burner.
I bet she likes it in the backdoor.
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>>159867458
I wouldn't mind but him wanting to fuck anything other than saber or wanting to be fucked by anything other than Enkidu sounds weird
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>>159867458
You mean he's gonna get fucked by Altera, he ain't got shit on the Moon Cell.
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>>159867475

> However, if he had known Sakura’s fate, of being only a womb for Zōken, he would have refused.

Yeah, I see it

Thanks for proving me right, retard.
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>>159867505
>kills himself for the sake of revenge
It's an objective fact that he joins the war for Sakura and that his dying thoughts in the war are for Sakura, not revenge. There are chapters from his perspective in Zero.

Also,
>Tokiomi knew what Sakura would undergo
What you quoted isn't about the methods, it's the underlying goal.
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>>159867301
For now, at least until the third one shows up.
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>>159867504
I hope we get to see his wife in the movies or manga.
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>>159866992
Hopefully it's dust or nuts and not proofs or chains. I have over 200 of these.
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>>159867563
See >>159867580
>cherrypicking quotes like the entire interview isn't posted right there so we can see the context
You're an idiot.
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Why do people like Nero?
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>>159867662
Brain damage
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>>159867662
Because she's cute, fun, and loves art, and beauty. Super nice, and it's charming how full of herself she is.
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>>159867662
Brain damage
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>>159867662
Sluttier Saber with Gil's personality
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>>159867603
Can they fit it in? I'd have thought with only three movies it'd be a bit tight on space.
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>>159867750
>with Gil's personality

Not at all
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>>159866029
Go away
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>>159867762
Probably not as Fate Zero already tells his backstory and it would interrupt the intense einzbern forest scene but it would be great if they did!
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Is Extella the true reason why there is no big event in November?
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>>159867853
ok
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>>159867662
Because she is a slut who would fuck anyone and be fucked by anyone in orgies, a mass murder, a retard with brain damage (umu umu hurr durr umu), and a shitty saberface.
that's why we love her
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>>159867875
Yes, but not because the GO staff is overworked for some reason by the release, because they are lazy and found an excuse.
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>>159867750
No.

>>159867875
Probably. Which is dumb. You could do both.
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Was Semiramis on the leaked servant list?
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>>159867973
No
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>>159867973

No, she's the only character from an already finished work to not show up on that list.
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>>159867903
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bye I can't shitpost anymore dishonored 2 is up
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>>159867973
Nope, but Sieg is
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>>159868049
>tfw no money to buy it
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>>159868049
>from shitposting to playing shit
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>>159868049
>denuvo
meh
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>>159868043
>gets worse over time
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>>159868049
bye
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>>159868049
>tfw your gpu isn't good enough for new games anymore
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>>159868049
>Bethesda

Not even once.
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>>159868074
>>159868036
>>159867995
RIP. Guess I'll use my quartz funds for Okita then
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>>159868083
how do you afford to play fgo?
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>>159868043
Huh, so there was actually an increase in nose definition over the years
But then it's like it got smoothed into a small bump or something
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>>159868043
2008-2011 was his best, What the fuck happened to him?
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>>159862535
I agree with this. Specially on Kajiura's part. The Iskandar-Waver theme tracks were so good.
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>>159868049
I'd be gone too but my computer's so shit that I can't even reach minimum requirements.
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>>159868185

Yeah, do that.
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>>159868201
Because it's free
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>>159867580
>>159867654

It's not cherrypicking. The interview clearly says that If Tokiomi knew more he would have refused Zouken
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>>159868043
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>>159868212
>wow if I take saber face and change the hair a little I can draw all the Characters in under 5 minutes
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I'm going to be really mad if any of the hunting quests have Bicorns again. Warhorse Horns can fuck off because i've nearly got enough to cover every possible use for them in the game.
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>>159867580

He did want to sabe Sakura but his objective was blinded by his desire for revenge

This is clear in Accel Zero and F/Z
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>>159868307
All i see is shit
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>>159868307
2012 is the only semiattractive version of curry butt. She actually look feminine for once instead of like a man.
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>>159868307
2010 to 2011 are the best
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>>159868362
Revenge against who?
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>>159868273
S-sumanai
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>>159868280
It says if Tokiomi knew that Zouken had no intention of making Sakura a great magus eventually and instead wanted her to birth the next Matou heir, he would have refused.

It does not say that Tokiomi did not know what Zouken was going to actually do to her. In fact, it states that he did know, more then once, then reiterates that Aoi did not know in contrast.

Tokiomi thought that all the shit Sakura went through was fine if she learned magic out of it, and would have refused if he knew she wasn't going to learn magic out of it, but the methods themselves he had no issue with.
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>>159868382
It's the precursor to the Saberface
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>>159868362
He is only blinded by revenge once he has gone literally insane, has Lancelot draining his life and has days left to live. And then at the end when he's at his death delusions, he goes back to his actual goal for Sakura.

He does sidetrack for revenge, but it was not planned and doesn't happen until he loses his mind, and even then Sakura remains his end goal.

This is made very clear in Zero, especially since you can see his thoughts.
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>no new hunting quest
mods??
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>>159868585
close and open the game you fucking retard
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>>159868362
You're wrong, in Accel Zero and in Zero, his first priority is save Sakura, he just loses his way because of his insanity endured by the worms. That's why Iskandar smacks him until he snaps out of it and Kariya does the right thing. When he recovers his lucidity, his number one priority is Sakura.
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>>159868043
>>159868307
here we go
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>>159868653
>Saber gradually turns into more and more of a sabeface

baka
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>HORSES
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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Kariya had a hard life
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>>159868362
That was only when Berserker saw his stupid golden servant that always went out of control when he saw Saber
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>>159868723
The quest says Wyvern though.
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>>159868723
It's wyverns retard
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>>159868743
The faces in UBW look so bad compared to Zero it isn't even funny
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>>159868743
>literally created as a character to be a total failure
Can't get much worse then that
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>>159865998
Anyone?
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>>159868427
Tokiomi

>>159868429

And guess what the worm basement was for? Which shows that Tokiomi didn't know about it

>>159868524

He didn't go insane, he was always fucked up

>>159868615

>insanity excuse

Stop whitewashing Kariya
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does male Arthur count as saberface?
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>>159867534

Going from what info we have on the Alteras:

***Original G.Altera - An interplanetary doomsday weapon from the aliens that created the Mooncell, used along with her siblings to cull the civilizations of Earth and other worlds and reset the Mooncell recording devices. She crashes into the moon in her vessel 14,000 years ago and initiates armageddon mode.

She makes two moves. She creates a physical copy of herself on Earth, that will go around the planet devouring all the mana, constantly growing more colossal, and detroying everything in her path. Then she seems to enter some sort of hibernation in her ship which is a massive photonic crystal thing embedded in the moon, and shunts her consciousness into the Mooncell in order to achieve her culling from within.

**Earth G.Altera - The earth avatar goes around growing HEWG and destroying a fair amount of the world before being stopped in some way by a wielder of a holy blade acting on behalf of the planet. She isn't completely destroyed but is put in a sort of hibernation mode by the Velber star. From her giant defeated form, a Human sized 'core module' is released, to one day have its ego reawakened by the Velber star to try again.

**Attila the Hun - This sleeping core avatar is found in the cave its hibernating in by the Huns, who wake it up and raise it as a Human, unaware of who and what she is. This woman becomes the great historical figure known as Attila the Hun. The materials seems to indicate at some point her ego reawakens and its a big struggle inside her to enjoy her happy life as a Human or go back to HEWG raeping the planet. Apparently she dies and gets inducted into the Mooncell Throne of Heroes or what have you from her life as Attila.

(cont.)
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>>159868878
The worm basement is for all Matou magecraft, it's just where they live. Kariya was put in it and he definitely wasn't going to give birth to any heirs. You have the author telling you the character knew exactly what Sakura was going to go through, you can't get much more concrete then that.
>Kariya didn't go insane!
I was going to tell you to read Zero but holy fuck, you haven't even watched it
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>>159868878
>Stop whitewashing Kariya
You're retarded. Literally, he lost part of his fucking brain, eaten by worms by the time he choked a bitch.

Nasu himself stated Kariya's wish to save Sakura was selfless and real. You're just a secondary if you didn't know this shit. Meanwhile Tokiomi delivered Sakura to Zouken knowing about the worm rape torture.
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>>159868958

**G.MoonCell Altera - The original planetary weapon thing is defeated within the Mooncell (by how bea? You could increase infinitely in size) but cannot be destroyed, so it's sealed into dormancy.

**Moon Altera/ Fate/GO Altera - The Mooncell summons Attila the Hun as a Servant, but its some kind of combination of the actual Attila's traits who is also the memory module of the G.Altera Earth weapon, which is why she's so weird.


The only one I'm not sure of at the moment is WHICH G.Altera Hakuno meets in Extella, since she's so sweet.
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>>159865269
Ruby a cute.
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>>159865120
>IV

Did they release a new mats book already?
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>>159868843
>Kariya is Shirou who failed
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>>159868836
Zero is pretty much Kino
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Tokiomi wouldn't have given a shit even if he knew about the worm thing, but he'd have been outraged if he knew Zouken wasn't going to teach Sakura magecraft.
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>>159867556
Gil wants to fuck Ko-Gil.
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>fangs
Yeah, like I needed more of those.
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>>159869156
You would if you had a bunch of dragons in your inventory
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DUST WHEN YOU FUCK
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>>159869108
He knew. Butcher talked about it in a French con. He didn't know it was just an experiment and not part of Sakura's training. Also Sakura and Rin killing each other for the Grail was his idea of their best future.

He's a piece of shit.
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>>159868984

The author himself doesn't specifies what Tokiomi knew exactly and I find hard to believe that Tokiomi would know all of the secrets of the Matou magecraft
since mage families don't share secrets but even so, since it is said that Tokiomi woth more knowledge would refuse to give Sakura to Zouken, why then wasn't Kariya open with him and kept trying to antagonize him throughout the war? Because he wanted his petty revenge too

I never said he didn't go insane, I said he always was fucked up with a crippling inferiority complex towards Tokiomi. You're the one whitewashing him
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>>159868998

Oh, also, the final boss thing Vepar Velber-02, the evil moon-bunny if I understand correctly, is the G.Mooncell Altera, the consciousness of the original weapon thing which Archimedes is trying to wake up/free from it's hibernation after being defeated in its original attack 14,000 years ago.

From the cutscenes I've seen, it appears that it always reawakens/unseals using Hero Altera, the one you play as, so she dies no matter what I believe.
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>>159869229
>>159869219

Tokiomi knew.
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>>159868998
Hakuno's is most certainly the Moon giant, cutest of all Alteras.
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>>159869198
I have dragons boy and more than enough fangs for his skills.
I really don't need more.
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>>159868993

Kariya's goal was noble but he wasn't. He got lost in his petty desire for revenge and fucked everything when he could have just raped Zouken with Lancelot

>Worms eating his brain made him crazy

You sound like those criminal's moms who think their son can do no bad.
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>>159869340
Then go do something else, no one is forcing you to partake in today's hunting quests.
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>>159869082

Kariya is a selfish fuck, unlike Shirou
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>Decide to save my AP up for the next hunting quest instead of burning it for more bones

I have so much regret right now. I'm good on fangs, but always hurting for bones.
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>>159869229
>The author himself doesn't specifies what Tokiomi knew exactly
>Tokiomi knew what Sakura would undergo but, for him, this would allow her to become a true mage
>As long as it led to augmenting the magical potential of his family, he wouldn’t have any problem with the treatment of Sakura among the MATŌ
>Aoi, on the other hand, knew nothing.
I've already said this, but knowing that Matou magecraft uses rapeworms is not "knowing all the secrets of Matou magic". Zouken's body is literally made of the things and Kariya was throwing bugs as weapons.
>since it is said that Tokiomi with more knowledge would refuse to give Sakura to Zouken
It's said Tokiomi who knew Zoukens INTENTIONS would refuse. Totally different.
>why then wasn't Kariya open with him and kept trying to antagonize him throughout the war?
Because Kariya gave up the love of his life to ensure that she or their children would never suffer under Zouken, only to find out her husband did it anyway, knowingly and willingly. He fucked despised Tokiomi. On top of that, he was in a deathmatch with the guy and Tokiomi wanted to kill Kariya the moment he saw him. Even on top of that, Kariya couldn't control his Servant and was going insane and dying.
>Because he wanted his petty revenge too
He wanted to kill Tokiomi, but it was not his driving motivation for joining the war in the fucking slightest, and only affects his actions once he loses his mind.
>I said he always was fucked up with a crippling inferiority complex towards Tokiomi
Objectively false, it's clearly stated he doesn't begin to hate Tokiomi until he finds out what he's done.

Read Zero, you idiot.
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>>159869327

He didn't. If he knew everything, he would have refused.

There is nothing hinting that he knew about other family magic secrets
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>>159869421
He just loved Aoi. A selfish person wouldn't sacrifice his life for her.
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this is nice thread
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>>159869345
>he could have just raped Zouken with Lancelot
ayy secondaries
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>>159869213
Dust as login bonuses soon.
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>>159869482
>Because Kariya gave up the love of his life to ensure that she or their children would never suffer under Zouken
Maybe he shouldn't have fucked off like the little bitch he is, then.
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>>159869518
Can't blame them and this is why it's bad to start with Fate Zero as it doesn't explain what Zouken is besides an evil grandpa who hates his son
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>>159869482

You're retarded to think that Tokiomi had such an ample knowledge about the Matou training

He probably knew very little of it and though that Sakura would receive a pay off in the end.

If Kariya revealed Zouken's intentions, Tokiomi would come around but Kariya didn't tell him anything because he is a selfish fuck
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>>159869345
>when he could have just raped Zouken with Lancelot
He was convinced he couldn't and considering that Zouken isn't human, might have been right. On top of that, he couldn't control Lancelot. And worms were eating his brain and he did go crazy. It literally killed him.
>>159869421
>selfish
>>159869552
He left because if he had stayed, Zouken would have forced him to get with Aoi and Aoi and her children would have been worm food. He made the absolute correct decision, and had no way to know that Tokiomi was enough of a piece of shit to sell his own child into sexual slavery.
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>>159869345
>he could have just raped Zouken with Lancelot

Secondaries go and stay go
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>>159869345
Of course he fucked up, but he was being eaten alive. There's no whitewashing here. He needed someone to snap him out. The LN states over and over again things would have been different if he were lucid with all domains of his faculties.

I found him more tolerable than fucking Tokiomi who was a waste of space after siring Rin and Sakura. If wasn't for Kariya, Rin would have been made a musical instrument too. Tokiomi and Aoi were both shitty parents. Nobody mentions how Aoi was a piece of trash doormat who put her husband over her daughters and was a passive aggressive bitch, on top of a terrible wife. Kariya's idealization of her was fucking retarded, she was no victim, she was a willing accomplice of what happened to Sakura.

Rin was better off with Kirei than any of her shit parents.
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>>159869631
Ask Nasu and Urobuchi, the people who came up with the story
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>>159869482

> He wanted to kill Tokiomi, but it was not his driving motivation for joining the war in the fucking slightest, and only affects his actions once he loses his mind.

If saving Sakura was his motivation why didn't he fucking used Lancelot to tear a new hole in Zouken?
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>>159869652
>He left because if he had stayed, Zouken would have forced him to get with Aoi and Aoi and her children would have been worm food.
So take Aoi with him. No other husband, no worm food, no entry into the War.

That's ignoring the fact Byakuya's totally fucked over by him leaving, but whatever. Not like his actual sibling matters, right?
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>>159869631
>You're retarded to think that Tokiomi had such an ample knowledge about the Matou training
What ample knowledge? All he would need to know is that Matou magic relies on having worms devour and violate your body. This is not a deep secret. Zouken is a walking nest and when Kariya pulls bugs out of his body in front of him Tokiomi expected it. Uro and Nasu literally say that Tokiomi knew, that's the end of it.
>Tokiomi would come around but Kariya didn't tell him anything because he is a selfish fuck
Kariya didn't tell him anything because A, he knew Tokiomi put her in that situation in the first place, B, was in a fight to the death with him, and C, was insane.
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Put your luchtime CEs on your Jacks fuck.
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>>159869495
He knew about the worm rape, retard. He didn't know it wasn't just a part of Matou magecraft training and just Zouken experimenting with her.

Are you going to argue with the writer? Tokiomi was a son of a bitch who sent his 6 years old daughter to be raped and tortured by worms for her own good to train in magecraft and hoped she and her sister killed each other the Grail as their best future. He needed to suffer more. He's vile and disgusting son of a bitch like most magus in Type Moon.
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>>159869518
>>159869615


>Implying I am a secondary
>Implying Zouken would be able to beat a mad Lancelot berserking in his house

Accell Zero shows how Kariya could have saved Sakura just fine If he wasn't all "muh revenge"
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>>159869734
Because Zouken lives inside Sakura you fucking secondary. To kill him you have to kill her.
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>>159869807
I did.
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>>159869810
dicks out for Goritine
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>>159869809
Nigga please. At least with Zouken he knew his daughter wouldn't get dissected for her magic circuits or some shit.
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>>159869741
>So take Aoi with him.
Why? Do live as a vagrant away from her family? Kariya didn't expect that her new husband would then be a total piece of shit, it was a complete surprise to him and would be a surprise to anyone. Selling your children to a literal monster is not a normal decision.
>That's ignoring the fact Byakuya's totally fucked over by him leaving, but whatever
Not like Byakuya couldn't have just done the exact same thing. Byakuya made his own decision.
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>>159868653
きのこのせいじゃなくて武内が勝手にセイバー顔量産しているだけだろいい加減にしろ!
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>>159869839

This could have been arranged later after saving her from her current predicament
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>>159869641
Authority.
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>>159869903
Zouken can kill her at any moment. That's why Shirou didn't just run away with Sakura in HF.
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>>159869820
It's not that Zouken can beat Lancelot but that there's no way for Lancelot to kill Zouken, and that isn't even taking into account that both Kariya and Sakura have Worms inside them so there's 0 chance for either of them to escape.
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>>159869885
She wouldn't get dissected for her magic circuits anyway. We have examples of Tokiomi deciding to send Sakura to different families, where she grows up happy and healthy. There's even an established family of magi who take talented ones without homes.

Giving her to Zouken is literally evil.
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>>159869820
Did you forget about the part where Kariya had worms that were eating him away for about a year so he could compete with Tokiomi without being ripped apart?

He was so broken that he thought using Bug-types against Fire-types would work out.
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>it's a secondaries discuss the F/SN and Zero episode

Please give us an event DW i'm so sick of these shit threads
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>>159869903
>>159869960
Zouken can also kill Kariya whenever he wishes with all the worms he has iniside him.
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>>159869652
>>159869675
>>159869681
>>159869697
>>159869791

>Kariya shills

Truly the worst secondary fanbase

Attention retarda, I'm not saying Tokiomi is a good person, he is a magus and mages generally aren't very good people

However you fucks are whitewashing Kariya who was nothing but a fucking manchild looking for revenge when he could have clearly saved Sakura by other means.
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>>159870030
Yeah I would rather discuss Tamamo's titties than the complex moral quandaries of the original Fate saga
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>>159869820
He literally needed Iskandar. Without him, he wouldn't have done shit because: he was too far gone by midwar, and he was still under worm control. Iskandar figured out the worms would flock to the command spells and that way he saved Kariya's life too. The only way Kariya responded to stimuli to do the right him is because Iskandar presented himself as an obstacle for him to confront and be a 'hero'.
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post alteras
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>>159870082
No one is whitewashing anyone. We are all in agreement that Kariya is an idiot who made everything worse.

However it's an objective fact that he was not looking for revenge, could not have saved Sakura by other means, and honestly was trying to do something good. He failed massively but that's aside the point.
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>>159870068
Yep, this is why Zouken asks Kariya if he wants to die when he requests worm implants.
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>>159870130
Keep extra out of these threads too, it's /fgog/ not /tmg/
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>zerobabbies trying to discuss lore

Ayy

>>159870082
Explain how
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>>159869975

They escaped in Accell Zero

>>159870018

Tokiomi was actually a pretty average mage, secondary. Kariya was just shit

>>159870068

Small price to pay for Sakura's freedom but I guess he had to have his recente, eh?
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>>159870171
Please don't shitpost with pictures of my wife like that.
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>>159869885
You're fucking retarded when she ends up being experimented anyway which was what Tokiomi wanted to avoid. He thought the worm rape and horrific training was training.

He sends her to Luvia family in Apocrypha and she leads a happy life. You know what changes? He's no longer obsessed with the HF ritual. Just admit he fucked up badly because he's a dick obsessed with the Grail War.
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>>159870082
There was no way for Kariya to save Sakura from the start.
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>>159861987
Reminder
>Altera ultimate NP is only as strong as Lancelot's Caspian Sea buster beam
>Meanwhile Lancelot can still KoH a Satan 2 and blow up half a Continent

Can't wait for Trump to deport all the gilcu<ks and Make /fgog/ Great Again
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>>159870171

Accel Zero has him saving Sakura

>>159870161

He was looking for revenge otherwise he would have not bothered with Tokiomi at all
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>>159870161
>Kariya is an idiot who made everything worse.

Kariya saved Rin. Yes, after the continuous tortures he goes to shit, but he did something useful when he had some grasp of his lucidity.
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>>159870276

>being this new
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>>159864849
>needs to kill to absorb the power
Meanwhile Best Servant just needs to use his NP
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>>159870292
How do I roll Saber Lancelot? I want to praise UNRIVALED knight too!
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>>159870229
>Kariya was just shit

No, actually. Nasu said Kariya was pretty damn good, potential wise, that's why Lancelot was so well supplied, not just because of the worms. He just lacked training in magecraft. Tokiomi was angry at Kariya because he 'ran away' and betrayed his 'magus heritage' knowing he had talent he lacked. It was fucking retarded that's why he wouldn't have listened to him.
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>>159870330
>He was looking for revenge otherwise he would have not bothered with Tokiomi at all
Holy fucking shit, you don't even have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Kariyas goal is to win the Grail War, because that's his only chance to save Sakura. In order to win the Grail War, you need to kill the other 6 contenders. That's why Kariya attacks Tokiomi in the first place. He hates him, and wants to kill him for other reasons, but only actually does it because he needs to for Sakuras sake.

You know nothing, absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. Not even fucking wiki tier knowledge.
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>>159870229
How can Kariya save Sakura if he's dead? Are you retarded?

>They escaped in Accell Zero

Because he had help
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>>159870229
>Tokiomi was actually a pretty average mage, secondary. Kariya was just shit

The crest worms that have been invading Kariya’s flesh have already grown into a form that can imitate the function of Magic Circuits. In order to maintain the life of their decaying possessor they are now desperately acting out their role.

If it is simply a matter of the amount of Magic Circuits, then Kariya have already possessed the prana needed for qualifying as a magus. It appears that his progress was even faster than what Matō Zōken had expected. In the end, the three scars of the Command Seals had blatantly shown up on Kariya’s right hand. The Holy Grail also seems to have accepted him as the representative of the Matō family.

Based on Zōken’s estimations, Kariya has about a month left to live. For Kariya, it seems that this amount of time is enough.

The Heaven’s Feel has entered into its countdown stage. If all seven Servants are summoned the war may even begin tomorrow. The duration of the war, according to past experiences, should be about two weeks. Sometime before Kariya’s death.

Yet, if Kariya activates his Magic Circuits, it means he will be inciting the crest worms. Indeed, then the burden placed on his body would be far greater than that of the other magi.

And the activation of the Magic Circuits, in Matō Kariya's case, means a hell of pain by having his body eaten by the Crest Worms.

When dematerialized, the prana consumption is at its minimum. Still, in that state, Kariya would sometime be tortured with palpitations and dizziness.

Kariya's Berserker hasn't taken one step back in front of the overwhelming golden Archer. With a magecraft improvised in a year, Kariya was able to rival the Tōsaka magecraft polished through generations all by himself.
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Why does Saber Alter suck so much? Her NP's good, sure, but her gain sucks and her stats even moreso.
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Why are people bringing up Accel Zero like it's relevant to Fate/Zero? Half the characters are missing, everyone is out of character, and Waver traveled back in time with a self-insert invincible MC leading an army. It's a poorly thought out mobage event for fanservice purposes.
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>>159870563
Accel Zero is more relevant than shit like Apocrypha and Strange Fake, which people always use to aid their arguments
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Post cute rainbows.
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>>159870502
>12.5 Hp
>11.2 Atk
>4*
Huh?
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>>159870502
>her stats even moreso.
literally has some of the best stats for a 4star-unit despite being a launch servant
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>>159870440
>Nasu said Kariya was pretty damn good, potential wise
Potential means shit if you don't use it properly, see Gohan. Kariya has a confirmed small supply of prana by Volume 4 of the Zero.
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WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE FEATHERS DW
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>>159870598
>Accel Zero is more relevant than shit like Apocrypha and Strange Fake
How? It's a reference event in a phone game that only works because they removed half the cast and added ridiculous versions of the remaining ones. Kerry is a CG, there are two Wavers, Iris splits into 5 etc., Chaldea is there, and is explicitly set in an impossible dimension bubble.

Apoc and S/F are just more branching timelines where everything still functionally works the same.
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>>159870502
This is bait.
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>>159870739
>Kariya has a confirmed small supply of prana by Volume 4 of the Zero
You mean when he was about to die of prana loss?
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>>159870563
>everyone is out of character
how
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I don't think Kariya's anger toward Tokiomi was unjustified. It blinded him to his objective when it was an outlet that kept him 'sane' to cling in the pain. Aoi wasn't a childhood friend, it was his ex girlfriend (they were former 'sweethearts'). He ditched her because he knew Zouken was planning to use her as an incubator to next fleshbag and then kill her off like happened to Shinji's mother. He left to spare Aoi and the would be children from getting involved in Zouken's plans. He was OK with her marrying Tokiomi, and even admired Tokiomi as a 'decent magus'. Then Tokiomi gives Sakura to Zouken. This act betrays not only Kariya's sacrifice to spare Aoi and her children to be involved with Zouken but also turns his admiration to Tokiomi into seething hatred because his expectations were betrayed. When he was tortured, he blamed Tokiomi because without his fucking stupid idea to sell Sakura, he wouldn't be there. He blamed him for making Aoi suffer too.
It wasn't just because lol ntr. If it was that, he would have been angry when she married him, and he wasn't. He was on good terms with the Tohsaka and he was fairly content with his life.
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>>159870429
There is a rate up right now, you just need to 100% know he is the best Saber and greatest knight of all times and sometimes defend him and materials when Gilfags try to push their headcanon.
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>>159864849
Now FGO should do the same
>feed Altera to Nero
>Nero becomes a 5*
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Kariya did nothing wrong
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>>159870957
I'll try my best!
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>>159870896
He got far more prana in Volume 4 thanks to the defloration worm and yet his prana supply was still said to be shit.
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>>159871004
>Feed all my 5* to Sumanai
>He is still useless
すまない。。。
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>>159870896
>>159871040
Gonna need some quotes
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>>159870907
Kerry is literally a different person, Iris has twice the personality, Iskander is masterminding the end of the world, Zouken is just there to give Lancelot an excuse for showing up again
Just read the pastebin for it
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>>159871040
You're going to need to be more specific then because he goes from doing fine to literally dead in that volume.
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>>159864849
>tfw no wada altera
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>>159871248
>tfw no wada archer
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>>159870957
>headcanon
Gilfags aren't the ones arguing keksalot can KoH NP's.
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>>159871138
That's not what OOC means
> Iskander is masterminding the end of the world

DUDE
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>>159871120
After Chtulu
>That had been a piece of concentrated prana. The Crest Worms within Kariya’s body, which had temporarily regained vitality, began to move again. The mock prana circuits of Kariya’s entire body also started to pulse like never before, and his limbs were beginning to feel pain as if they were being torn apart—but this also meant that Kariya’s numb arms and legs could feel again.
>The mock prana circuits of Kariya’s entire body also started to pulse like never before
Kariya was beyond his peak by that point and had no fights previous to the Saber fight, yet-

Saber fight end
>Saber and Berserker could not have known that about ten seconds ago, the Crest Worms within the body of Kariya — who was hiding in the equipment room of the underground parking area – had ceased their activity. In order to sustain Berserker in the physical reality, the prana in Kariya’s body — which had already been in short supply — was absorbed in great amounts, and this need for prana was multiplied manifold when the final Noble Phantasm was unleashed. Finally, the Crest Worms were exhausted by their too-heavy burden.
>which had already been in short supply
He just fucking sucks.
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>>159871326
If Tokiomi didn't withdraw Gilgamesh, what would have happened?
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Does Gil have photon ray inside GoB?
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>>159871416
Accel Zero already gave the answer
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Honestly, having watched a bunch of the Japanese let's plays of Extella so far, the ones that have the cutscenes/intermissions, it's not a very plot heavy game, even by Musou standards.

It's mostly character funtimes with the various Servants, particularly the mains (Nero, Tamamo, etc.).
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>>159871394
Didn't Kariya have Lancelot kidnap Iris between there, which would have meant using a CS and an NP? Also wasn't that a few days right there when he was already close to death?
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>>159871248
>>159871468
>tfw no wada medusa
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>>159870365
>saving Rin is a good thing

kek
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>>159871326
They are the ones arguing he can beat Goku and Fiamma and that he is "the strongest Servant", which is all headcanon.
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>>159871545
sounds like shit

we all know it's downer ending already so character building and fun is a waste of fucking time
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>>159871567
Wada did a good snek in concept, but her in game sprite is pretty awful
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>>159871416
ded Lancelot

>>159871508
>had help from other Servants

kek
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>cheatapk is dead
>cirno is dead
>november is dead
What's the next step of their master plan? And who is pulling the strings
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>wadafags
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>>159871565
He literally just killed Maiya, baited Saber and dematerialized Lancelot. And as you said, he used a CS, there was no cost.

He is just shit, and was even shittier before Volume 4, just deal with it.
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>>159871686
Wada is good.
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>>159871651
I thought Gil could take on all six servants and win?
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So are Altera and her siblings Velbers or is the Velber the thing Attila and her siblings were flying around?
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>>159871716
The CS doesn't remove cost, the CS makes Lancelot listen to what Kariya is telling him to do, because he's a Berserker. It's not use this NP free with a CS, it's use this NP with a CS.
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>>159871416
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>>159871751
Except he got raped by 3. And raped as in nobody was even damaged after the fight and he died in like 2 minutes.
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Can they just run the Christmas even from now until the end of the year? I'd at least have something worthwhile to grind.
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>>159871686
Oh it's that one samefag who dislikes Wada for some reason
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>>159871751
He could take on all 6 Zero Servants, but I fought him with Leonidas
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>>159871798
>serious gil
Not fair
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>>159871798
Tokiomi would have ran out of mana if Gil did that.
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>>159871416
>>159871798
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>>159871751
Nobody can win against the self insert MC.
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>>159871857
>everyone who dislikes Wada is one dude
People have been shitting on his art since 2010. A lot of people think it's weird.
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>>159871961
>his
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>>159871889
No he wouldn't, Gate of Babylon is described as being very cheap in the mana department.
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>>159871889
GoB is super cheap.
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>>159871798
Lancelot would just KoH everything Gil has, opening more gates does nothing.
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>>159871778
Read what Waver CS did to Iskander. It is free prana
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>>159871986
>assuming Wada is cis scum
Fuck off
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>>159871824
And in that same event a 12 year old wearing a magic cape defeated the greatest Knight of the round table, and a limitless vessel of the Holy Grail.

Don't forget a servant described as invincible in close combat being consistently soundly defeated by two servants who are both exclusively focused on close combat.

Accel Zero was retarded.
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>>159871875
"serious gil" is fanfiction
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>>159871798
>12 hours to beat a nerfed Lancer that was held back by CS
No chance of even scratching Lancelot
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>>159872002
It can be free prana, it is not always free prana, they are used in other ways in various works. A CS is an absolute command, and it was established in the novel that Kariya could only give real strategic orders to Lancelot using them because he couldn't control him.
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>>159871416
Lancelot would have died, but everyone would have recognized Gilgamesh as the greatest threat. Saber and Lancer would likely cooperate to try and defeat him, though they may not succeed without Rider's aid, who wouldn't be interested in an alliance for that purpose.

The plot of Zero would have gone roughly the same course, but with less Seibah trauma since she never recognizes Lancelot.
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umu
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>>159871004
Fuck off with your Nero wank, I'd sooner burn Nero than do that
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>>159871889
I'm pretty sure Toki would have handled it fine if a little girl like Tine could manage it.
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>>159871993
How many swords can Lancelot keep up with before he is overwhelmed?
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>>159871993
Literally impossible of weapons are coming down at you from every angle, and he has no way to avoid Ea. Even if you want to say he could pull out Arondight and use that for something, then he loses the one thing that lets him defend against GoB at all.
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>>159872197
Remove this disgusting whore from my sight
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>>159872082
Cu > Lancelot though.

>Unluckiest knight in history vs Gae Bolg
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Is there a translation of Archer's interlude somewhere?
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Is BROKSANDAR the strongest servant since he won against berserker in one single charge?
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>>159872050
Anything after FSN, FZ and FHA was retarded.
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>>159872253
>Unluckiest knight
> Has high luck stat, an additional buff for it, and a sword that would likely give him an extra chance to avoid full damage

This is actually a case where double saving throws make sense to come into play. He'd likely end up like Saber in FSN though. He'd take a lot of damage and be somewhat crippled.
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>>159872261
https://chaldeum.wordpress.com/servant/archer011/archer011_interlude01/
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>>159872329
>what is CCC
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>>159872305
No, he caught Lancelot when he was focused on ARTHURRRRR
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>>159872219
Altera is shit anyway, I'd feed her to any 4* except even shittier ones like Astolfo. Nero was just an example because that's basically what happens in Extella.
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>>159871889
Independent Action, retard.
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>>159872379
Stats are so bizarre in Fate. He's described as unlucky, his history is a parade of creating the worst possible result from any set of circumstances, yet he has high luck?
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>>159872395
Thanks a lot man
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>>159872220
Tine was drawing mana from the leylines wasn't she? It's the only reason she survived Gil's Ea spamming.
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>>159872329
I feel like SF fits into the timeline pretty well without being retarded. Some of the servants from other works are good too, namely some of the Extra and Apo ones like Chiron, Robin, Karna, Lu Bu, and Shakespeare.
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Next SF Volume when?
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>>159871468
So smug
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Post pharaohs
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>>159872416
That is a reasonable answer, but reason means nothing when talking with Melvin since in his own deluded mind "impossible stances" allows Lancelot to ignore and evade any and every attack, which forces him to come up with stupid excuses for why he never used those stances all the times he got fucked up by Saber, Lancer, Archer and Rider.
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>>159872416
even diarmuid could dodge though.

Well Diarmuid is stronged than lancelot so maybe you're right
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>>159872467
Stats rarely ends up mattering anyway since they always get worked around. They've only ever come into play with cases like Herc and Siegfried.
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>>159871567
Takeuchi Medusa > Wadashit Medusa
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>>159870453

And to win the war he needed to blindly target Tokiomi? Right

Face it, revenge played a partir in his role in the war
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>>159871961
I had never seen anyone complain before I started lurking/posting on /fgog/.
But then again, I haven't visited any other places with secondaries except /fgog/
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Would you destroy the planet and doom mankind for your daughterfu?
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>>159872497
Ea's actually not that big of a cost apparently. He does it quite a bit in Fate route with only orphan batteries, which probably don't have as much to draw from as a magus. It probably only costs about as much as Excalibur, which Kerry/Iri had no issue with in Zero.
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>>159872232
Huh, if GoB alone could defeat Berserker, said to be Gilgamesh's only poor matchup in the war, why didn't Tokiomi just order Gil to go all out and wipe the enemy out while they're gathered, expending a CS to have him use Ea on Saber and Rider if necessary?
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>>159870469

Then he just needed to get help instead of going all "muh revenge!"
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UNRIVALED GIL<U<K KoH ARONDIGHT REEEE STOP USING FACTS AND LOGIC AGAINST ME REEEEEEEEEE GIL<U<K
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>>159872752
Because he's stupid and Gil is capricious.
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>>159872240
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>>159872713
I would do it for free
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>>159872467
In lore luck is supposed to be the ability to change destiny, make imposible things happen and more shit like that. Lancelot was pretty much the one that make camelot fall thanks to his actions when a bunch of knights (with arturia in there) couldnt stop that shit.
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2ch said there's an ending CG for each sub story, has anybody seen any?
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>>159872834
I've seen two so far
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>>159870453
Logical thought didn't play any fucking role in Kariya's actions. He attacked Tokiomi because he hated him and was jealous he won Kariya's waifu.

If he actually cared about Sakura more than his own pride he'd have told Tokiomi the truth about what Zouken was doing to Sakura. He didn't, because his "training" had damaged his mind and Sakura had been warped into nothing but a reward for his sacrifices. You see this in his final delusional dream.

Kariya tried to be noble at the start but by the time the war began he was wholly insane
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>>159872552
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>>159872752
Gil wouldn't take kindly to that, and he's likely similar to some other top tier servants who can ignore at least one command, which would probably give him time to retaliate.

Saber herself was able to resist a command with her magic resistance, and Gil's armor gives him pretty good resistance as well.
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>Wake up
>Still no Extella dump
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>>159870817

GO's orders and events have been legit better than most Fate spin off and they're canon
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>>159872716
Well, there was that passage in S/F about Tine thinking she would be sucked dry by Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish clash with Enkidu, if not for her drawing more mana from the earth to supply him.

Gil's Ea usage in Fate may have been a bit more restrained in power even if he uses it more often.
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>>159872810
Stop it you're making me ill
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Extella OST when ?
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>>159871138

>Iskander masterminding the end If the world

EOP spotted
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>>159872956
True, in FSN, he never goes Gil charge with Ea. The first time we see it is in Extra, and then in SF.
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>>159873003
Most of it is reused from CCC
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>>159872927
SOME OF THEM have.

Okeanos, America and Camelot were good. Kara no Kyoukai was decent, and the various holiday/joke events like Halloween and Honnouni have been entertaining. Except Saber Wars.

Accel Zero, France, Septum were shit.
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>>159872892
Doesn't that just mean Tokiomi trying to leave a CS to command Gil's suicide at the end was a retardedly suicidal act itself from the start?
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>>159872197
Umu! Nero a cute!
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>>159873038
*full charge.
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I want to hold pinkies with my waifu!
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>>159872131

>ITT Kariya shill not listening to reason

I give up on you
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>>159873114
We've been over this. Tokiomi was a fucking idiot. He's the fuckup loser that forgets one crucial detail in every plan that Rin inherited that trait from.
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>>159872713
Yes.
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>>159872867
link to videos? or screencaps?
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I unironically like Artoria and want every version of her.
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>>159872535
BL says it will come out in May.
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>>159873114
Pretty much. He'd need at least 2 for suicide. He seems to underestimate Gil somewhat, which is one reason he pulls him back. He didn't think Gil would benefit from a showing off in a drawn out fight with Lancelot, even though they already showed off what Gil could do before.
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>>159873130
>Guda
>Red Nero
OOC garbage
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>>159873253
me too anon, but people here can't understand our love
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>>159873227
Atilla smiling
Nero laying on hakuno who is on a throne
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>>159872752
Because Tokiomi is a pussy, as evident by his use of a CS to retreat Gil. He just looked at
>My servant is fighting another servant in front of everyone
>My servant is getting angry
and decided to retreat before everyone found out who Gil was.
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>>159872752
Because he's not a gambler. Telling Gil to wipe out everyone at the scene would have been a gamble.

Tokiomi didn't know the identities of the enemy servants, he didn't know what they could do, and he couldn't be sure a 1v5 battle would end in Gil's favor. What he did know was what Kirei told him of Assassin's observations, and what he heard was that Gil was engaged in a fight against a Berserker who did not lay down and die when Gil attacked it.

Not pulling out of that, at that time, would have been a less than optimal course of action.
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>>159873253
>>159873310
Shirou, Takeuchi get out pls
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>>159873320
Anon those are not sub stories
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>>159873272
It would stupid of him to even show off Gil at all in the beginning. I get that they wanted to show assassin doing so that he'd have the element of surprise, but then they never use assassin effectively anyway. He only got used for spying and relaying info to Kirei and Tokiomi.
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>>159873275
Cry about it you nerd.

>>159873253
>>159873310
Arturia is great. Wish I had her, but leveling her would be hell.
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>>159872226
Infinite, otherwise EMIYA would beat anyone because MUH OVERWHELM
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Moon Altera and Giant God Altera are the same thing.

Earth Altera was an avatar of Giant God Altera sent to Earth 14,000 years ago. She defeated most of the gods but was killed by a holy sword. Her backup brain was excavated and became Attila Altera. When Attila Altera died her memories were sent back to the Moon/Giant God Altera, which altered her personality to become like Attila Altera's.

Servant Altera (the one fought in Extella) is an avatar of Giant God and is the same being, while also being the servant version of Attila Altera.

Sefar is the Giant God form of Attila Altera reverted to Earth Altera's giant form.

Also Altoria isn't in the main plot at all, she's Mystery Heroine A who only shows up in Gawain's side shit.
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>>159873380
And even then, there's no reason to hide his identity. Them knowing it changes nothing. He has no weakness to exploit from knowing his identity.
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>>159873452
the artist should've at least used Bride instead of Red Nero for that image dumb neroposter she's the one who is for Guda
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>>159873475
Iskandar was summoned by Moon Cell, and he was just fucking around and didn't get serious when fighting Altera and lost and decided that since he lost to her he has to follow her.

Jeanne was also summoned by Mooncell. Her Ruler skills let her see Altera's conflicting feelings and she decides to join Altera to watch what becomes of her.

Gilgamesh is summoned by nobody and tears through space to show up by himself. He joins Altera because he owes her a favour from 14,000 years ago.
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>>159872180
>Lancelot would have died, but everyone would have recognized Gilgamesh as the greatest threat.
Nice headcanon, Gilfag, now let's see what actual canon materials say.

>Though Berserker was the greatest threat to all the other Servants, he had poor compatibility against Lancer.
Lancelor was a greater threat in the 4th than Gilgamesh was.
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>>159873470
We've been over this. Emiya's are shitty copies and UBW doesn't last long enough to matter. Lancelot can defend for a decent amount of time, but not forever. Gil can spam forever and his weapons are good and varied, Emiya's are not.
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>main: Jeanne (ruler), Medb, Sanzou, Summer Tamamo
>alt: Mordred, Medb, Shuten, Karna

With what account should I stay?
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I'm glad that Zerofags are the worst no matter where you are.
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>>159873616
Attila Altera's obssession with Mars comes from lost memories of how she defeated the original God of War and stole his sword as the giant Earth Altera. When the Hun elders educated her she asked them if there was a name for a god of war, and they told her it was Mars, and from then on she started calling her sword the Sword of Mars.

I think that's all the interesting stuff from the Material that hadn't been posted yet (that I hadn't yet seen posted, at least).
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>>159873401
It's just weird that he'd go to great lengths to summon the oldest and greatest hero, and claim that he's won with this summoning, then proceed to actually do fuck all with the strong Servant he summoned.
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Does someone have that pic of Melvin drawn as a mexican loli?
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>>159873642
Tits and sluts > flats and Karna
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>There are Aliens in Fate.

Nasuverse History Channel must be fun.
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>>159873631
What if Gilgamesh was shooting the weapons he shot at Hercules in UBW at Lancelot?
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>>159873623
Than doesn't mean he's a bigger threat than anyone in the war. That means that Lancelot would be the toughest opponent for everyone that isn't Diarmuid, who has an advantage against him. And that's still wrong because Lancelot loses to Iskandar anyway. Gil beats Lancer and just because Lancelot is a threat does not mean he can't best him.
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>>159873725
Oh wait one more thing, the three ships thing is not referring to Altera herself. They're actual literal drop pods containing weapons like Altera.

Each of the weapons is based on an entire civilization that Velber wiped out.

Also Velber and Mooncell were made by different aliens, and Velber/Sefar has nothing to do with Mooncell (that's not a Mooncell in her chest, etc.)
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>>159873112

Accel Zero was good though
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>>159872232
>Literally impossible of weapons are coming down at you from every angle
So EMIYA can beat everyone with UBW. By the way too bad but Lancer even nerfed as shit handled your trash Servant and Saber nerfed by Shirou handled close to a thousand without a scratch.

>and he has no way to avoid Ea
Arondight and pic related.

>>159872752
He couldn't. Gilgamesh got destroyed by Deermud, Lancelot and Mashu in Accel Zero.
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>>159873616
>Gil owes a favour to Altera and came to repay it.

Damn now I want to know about it. Did she helped him to wrekt a god ?
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>>159873725
So her sword is a sword of an Earthling god but also at the same time the pointer for her starship's satellite cannon?
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>>159873687
I'm glad that Grand Orderfags are the worst no matter where you are.
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>>159873725
>>159873616
>Random Ayylmaos can kill all the Greek Gods
>But die to fucking Arturia
I'm going to throw up
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>>159873782
Karna a best.
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>>159873919
Those cute little fangs.
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>>159873919
sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
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>>159873919
Looks like she learnt some new tricks from Raikou, Kiyohime and Serenity.
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this altera wank is disgusting, what a fucking joke of a character

nasu has no sense of world building, Greek Gods sound like a fucking joke now
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>>159873919
Remove this whore from this thread. The only acceptable Tamamo is cat.
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>>159873880
Bad translations. It's not an actual satellite cannon, it's just described as "basically something like a satellite cannon". It's a pointer not for a cannon but "a pillar of light that is the sword of the war god".

>>159873897
Not Greek gods, the war god she killed was the base for later war gods. Her killing him was also the basis for a legend of some female god defeating a war god but I forgot their names and the book's in the next room and I can't be bothered to go get it.
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>>159873880
Isn't it said that whatever she takes as a weapon become the photon sword ?
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>>159873880
I think her sword is one she brought with her, but since she stole Mars's sword as a giant she named her own after him.
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>>159873549
Deal with it.
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>>159873840
>So EMIYA can beat everyone with UBW.
EMIYA can't keep up UBW for 12 hours.

Ea isn't a beamu in anything but its most basic form and standing still to try and thwack it would get him shrekt by GoB.
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>>159873854
maybe she helped him make enkidu?
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>>159874072
Artemis already said Altera shit on them in Scathach's trial quest
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>>159874072
Oh right just recalled one more thing: There's a single line that says Earth (giant) Altera also killed a bunch of OTHER space aliens in her rampage.

>>159873820
>Each of the weapons is based on an entire civilization that Velber wiped out.
And to elaborate on this, it's stated that each is an entirely different species.

Also the other two are specified as her older brother and younger sister.
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>>159874050
How is a super OP alien weapon killing gods an indicator of gods beIng shit? It just means that the alien is stronk.
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Why is Kuro such a lewd fuck slut?
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>>159873979
>>159874017
I mean they are wife and husband now. They probably fuck every night.
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>>159874232
kys pedo
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>>159874167
>Artemis already said Altera shit on them in Scathach's trial quest
She literally only said that herself and the 11 other Olympians faced her once in combat. That was it
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>>159874167
Well it's not in the Material.
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>>159874017
A doujin with a threesome featuring those three semen demons would have to explain how Serenity could touch Raikou and Kiyohime without killing them. Would a "Your semen also gives your female servants your immunity against all poisons" explanation be good enough?
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>>159874232
Because mana transfers are the only things keeping her alive
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>>159874232
Because that's the only one good thing about her.
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I'm posting stuff I'm recalling as I look at the last thread, sorry if it's all fragmented.

No the aliens are NOT the thing the Grand Servants are supposed to fight. The Grand Servants are supposed to fight something that eliminates mankind specifically (人類) while Velber is the enemy of all intelligent life-forms (知的生命体) and is mentioned as having wiped out loads of aliens races before.
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>>159873840
Emiya's spam is garbage and only lasts a couple minutes at most. Gil's can go on forever. They're not comparable, so stop memeing. And Ea isn't a beam that can just be deflected. Gawain had to power up his sword to do that too.

And Arondight seals KoH, which he needs to defend against GoB. Without it, he dies to spam if he even tries to defend against Ea.
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>>159874415
Is Velber the anti-spiral
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>>159874232
Kuro is as pure as her twin lets her be.
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>>159874050
Greek Gods aren't a big deal anyway.
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>>159874275
And those gods aren't around anymore so we know Altera killed them
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>>159874415
Primate Murder is back in business
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>>159874524
No, we don't. That's pure speculation. They likely faded out with the end of the Age of the Gods.
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>>159874543
Will Nasu resurrect his ideas from the Tsukihime days?
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>>159874524
Wouldn't bother me. But you're jumping to conclusion here.
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>>159874645

>>159874201
>Altera also killed a bunch of OTHER space aliens in her rampage.

Altera killed ORT :^)
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>>159873616
I suppose Gil's part is explained more in those Servant sub-stories they were talking about.
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>>159874543
>literally rekt by anything divine or non human
lol
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>People actually putting GREEK GODS in high regards

Even in the real legends, the greek gods aside from a few like Zeus, Poseidon and Hades were jokes who were even outwitted by "MORTALS".

What's stopping a godkiller from killing said gods?
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>>159874706
ORT is still alive by the time of Notes.
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>>159874760
gods originate from humanity so they are disadvantaged in a fight with primate murder
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>>159874767
This. If you want strong gods, look to the Hindu or Norse.
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Shirley is for ___
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>>159874882
>gods originate from humanity
>age of gods came before
retard
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>>159874954
Experimenting. :^)
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>>159874954
dying?
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>>159874907
>look to the Hindu
>dsopjgdasđ killed 243674374 literally what's
>oh yeah, well dfgjdnpojdaš killed 26437457363 literally who's
Garbage mythology spawned from people who still shit in the fucking streets. Worthy of being completely disregarded in every aspect.
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>>159874969
The Gods that existed before humanity in Nasuverse terms can't appear in the world anymore because they aren't able to sustain in the age of men

Even the ones that could potentially appear choose not to because they could be potentially damaged
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Oh right regarding previous games:

Events of Extra happened with Hakuno contracted to both Nero AND Tamamo (Nero as main, Tamamo as sub servant), but as mentioned in the game Tamamo somehow got separated from Hakuno and Nero (she says Nero kicked her off a bridge or something) and so it was only Nero and Hakuno VS Twice.

The events of CCC DID happen but Hakuno can only barely remember what happened. The only other mentions of CCC are in Gilgamesh and Elizabeth's profiles; They remember the events entirely. Events of CCC is another reason why Gilgamesh joins Altera (no further explanation).

Hakuno was supposed to have been erased by Mooncell but their wish was to change the rules of SeRaPh itself so that instead of erasing anything with a fulfilled role, it would let them seek a new role, and this let them not get erased.
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>>159874114
>EMIYA can't keep up UBW for 12 hours.
Irrelevant, you argument was
>Literally impossible of weapons are coming down at you from every angle
Which EMIYA is perfectly capable of doing.

>Ea isn't a beamu in anything but its most basic form
It clashed with Excalibur

>>159874420
>Emiya's spam is garbage and only lasts a couple minutes at most.
Completely different from what your argument was. You said MUH OVERHWLEM CUZ ALL SIDES XDDD, EMIYA can easily do that and that means he beats any Servant in an instant.

If he can't then there is no reason to believe a Servant would suddenly do worse when he was handling spam just fine before.

You argument is trash, GoB spam. is just annoying at best just like UBW.

>And Ea isn't a beam that can just be deflected.
Deflected by Avalon and clashed with Excalibur.
>Gawain had to power up his sword to do that too.
Galatine doesn't have infinite durability like Arondight
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>>159874954
Duterte would have saved Shirley
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>>159875138
But is Extella a happy ending or not
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>>159873820
So the three ships landed but only Altera activated to do some damage? Or was it only her ship that arrived from Velber.
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>>159875138
what about Emiya?
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What servants do you use 1st or 2nd sprite with? Personally hate Raikou's 3rd sprite with all her weird accessories. Swimsuit Saber's 3rd outfit also looks weird
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>>159875138
Wait, how does that explain the multiple Hakunos?
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>>159872752
>why didn't Tokiomi just order Gil to go all out and wipe the enemy out while they're gathered
Because he would have died like he did in Accel Zero. And only 2 of the Zero Servants participated in that rape, Saber and Iskandar only watched.
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>>159875138
>(she says Nero kicked her off a bridge or something)
wtf I like nero now
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>>159875294
Okita second sprite

Scathach second sprite

Bride I swap between 1st and 3rd
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>>159875294
Red man.
Archer Sluts.
Both Jannu
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>>159875226
Haven't actually cleared it yet

>>159875231
Only Altera's landed.

>>159875271
He wasn't in the grail war at all and the explanation in the book is kind of unclear but the one in Extella seems to be some sort of time traveller from a parallel universe or something.

>>159875309
When Hakuno was attacked by Sefar at the beginning of the game they got split into three parts, mind, body, and soul. Nero's is the mind, Tamamo's is the soul, Altera's is the body.
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>>159875167
>Deflected by Avalon
Holy fuck you're retarded. Avalon didn't deflect anything, it moved Saber to a different world entirely. And Fate route was Ea in its most basic form. And even then, saber was still taking damage when she didn't have Avalon saving her.
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I already have enough dragon teeth.
At least I could get some Rider exp, I guess.
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>>159875294
Medusa.
Jeanne Alter.
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>>159875453
>replying to him seriously
>replying to him at all
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I really fucking hate you guys. As soon as there's no event you go into full shitposting and falseflagging mode. Hell you assholes still do it when an event is going on.
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>you will never make her cry, making her think her tuberculosis can be healed
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>still no dump
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I feel like I need another caster leveled. Can anyone with experience with these ladies tell me which one to go with?
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>Gawain
>Can survive attacks by Arturia

>Lancelot
>Cannot survive attacks by Arturia

I think we all know whos the shitter here
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>>159875294
Raikou
Waver
Jeanne Alter
and sometimes Mordred
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>>159875453
Is this your first day on /fgog/?
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>>159875167
>you argument was
>implying I was him
Cu lasted 12? hours against Gil. Not serious obviously but EMIYA wouldn't be able to even remotely come close. unless you are saying keksalot would die in under 5min
>It clashed with Excalibur
>most basic form
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>>159875294
Siegfried 2nd, Karna 2nd, Mary 2nd, Herc 1st.

Siegfried and Mary's 3rd look weird and I don't like using Karna's third because it takes away from his NP. Herc's 1st is a classic.
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>>159875043
>t. assblasted amerifat who doesn't have a proper culture or proper heroes
Stay mad
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>>159875138
This game just shits on Tamamo all other the place.
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>>159875548
More than a dump, I want someone to confirm if it requires 3.61 to run or not.
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>>159875523
Well, since new Extella information put a serious damper on Altera cuckposting the shitposting had to go back to the basics.
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>>159875553
Geronimo.
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>>159875453
>Holy fuck you're retarded

No, he's insufferable. You're retarded for replying to him.
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>>159872752
>hurr Gil go serious kill everone derp
>Iskander speedblitzes Gilgamesh with Chariot
>Lancelot negates GoB
>Excalibur + Arondight shit on EA
>Dearg negates the armor
Dead
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>>159875138
Nero just keeps getting worse
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>>159875617
Don't you have a shitting street to be getting to Pajeet?
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>>159875553
Da Vinci was my only gold caster until caster liz rerun. She served me for all the assassin quests I've had to do since then.
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>>159875653
I have terrible news as to his status.
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>>159875553
Nitocris if you need to clear hands.
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>>159875410
Karna has no mention of CCC stuff?
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>>159875506
>>159875609
No, and I realize his pic means he's a dumb memer.
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>>159875617
>proper culture
Oh man Ranjesh this isn't a game you really want to play
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>>159875717
None
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>Emiya literally forgotten

Sasuga Nasu
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>>159875628
Berserk musou needed 3.61, so i'm hoping the cartridges were made before that.

If not i might have to give up henkaku and based 3.60 for extella, either that or buy another vita..
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>>159875453
>Avalon didn't deflect anything
Read the novel. For some reason it send Merodach and EA back at Gilgamesh, secondary

>>159875506
>>159875659
>samefagging because he lost the argument
Back to square one I see.
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>>159874524
Artemis appears to be alive and well.
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>>159875764
Not even Jinako?
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>>159875410
>Nero's is the mind, Tamamo's is the soul,

That is surprisingly fitting.

Also god damn, I like Nero but Septum and now Extella are really pushing it.
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What is Cu's and Medusa's story in Extella?
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>>159875786
Avalon didn't deflect. That's not what it does. End of discussion.
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>>159875809
Nope
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>>159875691
>>159875698
Appreciate it. I was leaning Nito for aesthetics but if Da Vinci is good I might do her as well eventually. I have a lot of EXP sitting around at the moment because of all the prism farming.
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>Nero's is the mind, Tamamo's is the soul, Altera's is the body.

So is this GATAII-DA?
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>>159875613
>Not serious obviously
Literally stated that Gil started with a thousand.

>EMIYA wouldn't be able to even remotely come close
He has faster spam. What I'm saying is neither GoB nor UBW will ever scratch Lancelot no matter how many NPs they throw, just like Julian and materials say.
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>>159872892
>and he's likely similar to some other top tier servants who can ignore at least one command, which would probably give him time to retaliate.

Ignoring a direct command turns Artoria into an utterly limp puppet whom even Medea can toy with, and Artoria's magic resistance is higher than Gil's. Resisting CSs is only act of defiance equivalent to flipping your Master the finger, but even the insanely resistant Servants can't do much but groan impotently under that influence. That's the whole point of the Command Spells, they're a backdoor control measure ingrained into the Servant container. An external item like an armor would serve no purpose when the magic is coming from within them.
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>>159875764
This is very disappointing. He actually had a pretty good amount of character development in CCC.
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>>159875138
>(she says Nero kicked her off a bridge or something)
BASED

>>159875915
Why are Bride's breasts bigger?
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>>159875953
>just like Julian
Oh man can't wait for Ilya to install Heracles and cleave Sakura in half and for you to backtrack on this whole Prisma is Canon memeing
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>>159875410
Hm, I think I preferred the "multiple Hakunos from multiple CCC Servant endings" theory compared to how it turned out.

From all accounts it's starting to sound like Nero's the main heroine of Extella and the Extraverse as a whole, at any rate.
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>>159875915
>nero gets to be the most important in Extella at the expense of everybody else
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>>159875915
>More Nerowank
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>5 Bond point CEs and 6 with support
>still doesn't get any easier

ARGH.
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>>159876067
It kind of sounds like Nasu's trying to make up for the original Extra, where Nero was by far the least relevant player Servant and pretty much only existed to be Red Saber.

Pretty shitty that Tamamo and Emiya got kicked to the side for her, though.
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>>159876067
>Nero's the main heroine of Extella and the Extraverse as a whole
Wow it's not like she has always been marketed as the lead for Extra and always been the one who gets focus when it comes to the Extra servants in other works or anything

If you ever thought Tamamo was on Nero's level on franchise consideration terms you are delusional
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>>159875963
We know that having a strong enough presence like Karna and Heracles can let them tell CS commands to fuck off. That's why Archer Heracles is so surprised in FATE when Buzz Cola's 30000 people crystal backing him up allows the CSs to be super effective.
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>>159876167
Minus?
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>more popular and respected
>better characters
>more doujin for said better characters
>better gameplay and ui
How do we deal with being cucked by Granblue in every way imaginable?
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>>159876230
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>>159876096
It's quite frustrating.
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>>159876238
(you)
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>>159875915
I love Nero!

>>159876160
Need more.
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I've only cleared Nero's route but it ends with Body Hakuno deciding to die alongside Sefar/Altera which results in Mind (and probably Soul though not seen) Hakuno dying as well (because the mind and soul cannot exist on their own for long; they need to fuse with at least one of the others to do so).

Post credits is Hakuno sleeping on a throne, and unspecified amount of time has passed and Nero managed to somehow salvage Hakuno's data with the power of the new Regalia. It's implied that Hakuno's been sleeping for a really long time with Nero watching over all along.

Hakuno can actually hear what Nero's saying and wants to wake up and respond to her, but can't.

The end.
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>>159875891
Thanks for confirming you haven't read the novel once again, retard. How many times have you done it again? At least reaching the hundred already? I have them all saved.

>But I know this is a repeat of the battle against Berserker.
>Saber used something I made and defeated Gilgamesh's sword.
>A light pushed back his light and must have injured him, who was unscathed up to now.
I have no idea what you believe you acconplish by samefagging with DUN RESPOND LEL when you know the novel will destroy you a few minutes later. You are as delusional as the Shillaryfags that think saying TRUMP A RACIST MUH MISOGYNY accomplished anything.

Literally Carl the Cuck tier "argument".
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>>159873272
>He'd need at least 2 for suicide

See >>159875963

You're vastly overestimating what he would be able to do while trying to resist even one. CSs don't give a shit about your willpower since they hijack the body instead of the mind, and he loses to Artoria in this, who herself couldn't do shit except go limp against only one CS.
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>>159876202
The original Extra was pretty cleanly split between the 3 Servants.
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>>159876238
/gbfg/ here fuck off

>>159876336
>Body Hakuno selfishly sudokus killing all his other versions
What a shit head
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>>159876336
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>>159873631
>UBW doesn't last long enough to matter.
GoB usually only needs to stay up a little while anyway.
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>>159876096
I though it was Altera, also what does Jeanne do in this game?
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>>159876332

Fuck off to reddit brain damage.
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>>159876167
I still have trouble believing that they actually gave him that skill set.
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>>159875915
>Worst, ugliest and weakest Saberface gets even more shit wank
At least I get to save my shekels if she's ever released.
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>>159876498
**Gave him the wrong class too.**
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>>159876014
Zero and the Zero materials said it too. Funny how Illya is only canon when HURR GIL CAN BEAT UBW SEE LOL but not when Gil gets BTFO.
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Extella opening full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89MCZZhLl_U
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>>159876428
>>159876428
I know it's normal to go into denial in this kind of situation, but this level of delusion is actually pathetic.
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>>159876507
>Worst, ugliest and weakest Saberface gets even more shit wank

But that's Mordred,
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>>159876462
>Altera was suppose to be the main heroine
>Gets cucked by Nero
Can somebody stop the cuckempress?
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>>159876463
I can be at both.
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>They lied that Nasu wrote this because everyone hates Sakurai and his garbage waifu
I hope the nips are also pissed at this bullshit
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>>159876458
GoB is also stronger. Emiya's weapons are garbage in comparison. A whole rank down and degrading quality with each copy.
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>>159876238
fuck off
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>>159876582

Kill yourself.
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>>159876507
Sometimes having little attention is a good thing.
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>>159876578
But Mordred is stronger than Nero.
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>>159876583
No, you can tell Nasu wrote it because of the forced drama sad end shit that he puts into everything to make it more "deep" >>159876441
>>159876336
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>>159876578
Mordred is actually a decent character. Nero is nothing like the real Nero and she gets needlessly wanked.
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>>159876583
The prose is very, very, very Nasu and very clearly not Sakurai and this is coming from someone who's played the entire Steampunk series and knows how Sakurai writes.

It's possible that she handles a later route or the side shit but Nero's route is 0% Sakurai.
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Who's that one limited servant you didn't get that still bugs you to this day?
I wish I had gotten Scathach.
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>>159876612
memer pls
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>>159876498
Maybe they will implemented someone that have a skill that can transfer buff from 1 servant to another.
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At least Hakunon doesn't have to deal with this shit.
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>>159876623
Power and lore wise

Is she really the weakest Saberface? I dunno, despite being LOL TUBERCULOSIS and all, from her lore she still did a lot of ridiculous things
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Imagine if neither Arturia, nor Emiya, nor Gilgamesh ever appeared in another Fate thing ever again. Would you like that, or would you want to see more of them in future franchise installments?
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>>159876441
That's the endging cg? Looks kinda lame and cheap.
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>>159876395
Herc and Karna both say willpower does have an effect. Between her low aptitude as a master and Karna's willpower, Jinako's command spells would have been absolutely ineffective on Karna if he'd resisted them.
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>it's a "Nasu can't make the character he likes likeable without completely shitting on other characters or making other characters revolve around them" episode
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>>159876227
>We know that having a strong enough presence like Karna and Heracles can let them tell CS commands to fuck off.

The novel is clear that it's Herakles's magical strength that makes him think he can resist them, not anything to do with his ego.
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With all that Nerowank I'm getting really worried for Last Encore
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>Hakuno struggles through two entire games with their servant(s) to survive
>Their servants are crushed when they die in Extra
>They are crushed when their servants are deleted in CCC due to the relationship they had
>They decide to off themselves and make both Tamamo and Nero miserable for eternity because of some ayylmao he met 5 seconds ago and also throw away everything they fought for over two entire games
This is some next level shit writing

It's entirely out of character for Hakuno to just go "You know what Nero, just sob over my comatose body for the rest of forever. Thanks for nothing"
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>>159876865
I'm hoping that this means at least that the movie will have Nero and Tamamo at the same time.

Emiya? Fuck him.
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>>159876706
Bride. Must be near a grand on trying to get her by now. Pisses me off.
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>>159876426
They each got their own routes (or rather their own scenes in a story that was otherwise the same), but relevance-wise the routes pretty much went like:

1. Tamamo (only Servant related to Twice, being a fragment of Amaterasu makes her a fitting opponent for the majority of enemy Servants, and the only technically "new" design)

2. Emiya (he's basically going through a fever dream version of F/SN, is a fitting battle against some of the enemy Servants, and is the Servant where it's most understandable why they'd respond to Hakuno's dying plea)

3. Nero (no relevance to the greater plot whatsoever, is not a particularly fitting opponent for any of the enemy Servants beyond maybe Robin and Gawain, and is mostly there to be funny)
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>>159876839
Lame and cheap? A good way to describe the series
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>>159876462
It seems Jeanne look over Altera because she want to see what happen wince Altera is conflicted with her human experience.
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>>159876841
They would be completely ineffective against Herc if Buzz wasn't capable of AoG mindfuckery that he's conceptually weak against.
That or if he were summoned in the Berserker class.
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>>159876882
It seems that body Hakuno doesn't have memories at all. Mind and soul had problems remembering names and such but still remembered the servants, but body doesn't even recognise Nero.
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>>159876835
Probably. She is skilled with a sword, but it's just a normal sword. No beams, no conceptual effects, no indestructibility, just a servant sword. The fact that she has a high chance of falling die to illness means she can't fight drawn out battles at all or she runs the risk of keeling over.
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>>159876706
Illya, I wanted her so bad. I was tempted to quit the game and abandon my account when I didn't roll her.
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Doing this really calmed me down after learning my uncle is in hospice.
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>>159876865
Why? It's of course goign to be focused on Nero. She's the main heroine. Don't like it, don't watch it.
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>>159877008
that just makes it seem even worse

Body Hakuno fails to die with Altera because Nero "saves" them but Hakuno will never wake up so nobody is happy
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>>159876836
I'd be fine with them never showing up again. New blood would be better, especially if none of the new ones are saberfaces.
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>>159877060
Awww man I hope your uncle will be ok.

May the gacha bless your rolls at least anon
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>>159876882
>Altera is so much better than the other two sluts that Hakuno kills himself to be with her
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>>159877060
I know the feeling. My mom just got out of the hospital and I'm taking care of her when she's conscious. Just keep strong, anon.
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>>159876841
See >>159876862

Willpower is never mentioned as the cause. SF in particular notes that it's magical power. This goes in line with the explanation for how spells like this work that has been in the franchise since forever. The little episode with Medea controlling Shirou explains that they way to resist these types of spells is by turning one's magical circuits full throttle to wash off the invading magical energy.

Willpower is a non-factor beyond not yielding to exhaustion. CSs don't target the ego at all, they just force the Servant to do things. That's why they howl and curse like motherfuckers whenever they're ordered to do something they don't want, it's their bodies that are being hijacked, not their minds.
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>>159877124
Worth.
>>
I fucking hate Nero so fucking much.
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>>159877032
>No conceptual effects
She can warp time and space with her 3 attack at once special move, also she can cut space and make it look like she teleported.
Not that broken but she is kind of ridiculous, especially when she fused with Nobu.
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Bit late but yeah

>>159861710
>okita
Where did you get that from? If the rerun doesn't start this Wednesday, odds are they'll skip it.
They better skip it.
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>>159877032
A lot like the Japanese imagine the Shinsengumi generally she's a very practical servant if used more like an assassin than a Saber might typically.

Attack in force with surprise, complete your objectives and then leave immediately. I don't know if it's conceptual, but her NP is a ridiculous strike if you take the enemy by surprise.

>>159877116
Hospice is not the kind of place you come back from ok.
It's basically the "We're making you comfortable until the end" place.
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>>159876197
I wonder if Nasu actually wrote. This all sounds archetypically Sakurai.
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>>159876939
I don't particularly like Tamamo, but she's the best route in Extra if we're going for originality. She's new and plot relevant. Emita was fun, but new faces are good to have. Nero was both irrelevant and not a new face in a literal sense.

Emiya/Gil was the best route in CCC in terms of entertainment and story, but that's mostly because Tamamo's ending was kinda dumb.
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>>159877273
I fucking love Nero so fucking much.
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>>159877098
>>159876336
One more thing, Nero does mention that she hopes she'll be able to fight Velber again alongside Hakuno.

Which suggests that Velber's coming again.

Velber comes every 14,000 years.
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>>159877273
Why?
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>>159876836
Extra has fleshed out Emiya's character as much as it possibly can be at this point, while Grand Order is letting him live his dreams as both a hero saving the world and as the ultimate mom. He's done, and I wouldn't be sad to see him go.

Gilgamesh is in a similar situation, with only his relationship with Enkidu being the one unexplored element. Strange Fake and Babylon should cover that though, and after that I'd again be cool with never seeing him again.

Arturia was finished all the way back in F/HA, so all they could really do was talk about how she used to be or how she could've turned out. We've gotten so much of that that I legitimately never want to see her face again. Too bad that's never happening.
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>>159877394
Too bad she got thrown at a bridge.
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>>159877274
>especially when she fused with Nobu.
She doesn't fuse with Nobu anymore. It's retconned. It's just Alaya transforming her.
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>>159877415
>We'll get an Extella sequel where Hakuno or Nero just dies again at the end prolonging this garbage tier melodrama
nasu is such a hack
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>Tamamo shoehorned into Nero's route for some reason
>Emiya completely forgotten
>more Nero wanking

Fuck this shit.
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>>159877426
>emiya
now literally not canon :^)
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>>159877443
It's Herc's time to shine
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>>159873631
>We've been over this
You repeating your headcanon over and over doesn't mean you are right.

You said the moment HURR SPAM FROM ALL SIDES happen it's over. Except UBW does it faster yet it's only annoying. UBW and GoB have the same rank by the way.

>Lancelot can defend for a decent amount of time, but not forever
Nice headcanon but it's stated over and over that he can. There is no reason why he would do worse suddenly against something he is not having any problems with.
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>>159877406
I love fucking Nero so fucking much.
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>>159876067
>I think I preferred the "multiple Hakunos from multiple CCC Servant endings" theory compared to how it turned out.
It's not really a theory. It's exactly what happened according to Nasu.
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>>159877474
>hey guys here's all the characters you like!
>they literally don't matter, though, have more Nero instead
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>>159877461
Why would Alaya do that ?
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>>159877461
So Majin Saber is just Okita powering up?
Cool.
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>>159877274
That's not the sword, that's just her skill with it. It's like Tsubame Gaeshi or No Second Strike. A technique that they use as their trump card. Her true NPs are her Shinsengumi uniform and banner that summons her comrades. And many servants can react to fast movements of that have a good enough AGI stat.
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>>159877095
I'd be okay with it if she's just "the main heroine". But when you see how they can wank her in a musou where the story was supposedly focused on Altera, I'm wondering what they'll do in a story focused on her.
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>shit characters
>shit gameplay
>shit plot
>short as fuck
So this is why wehad so many Neros and liz rate up/servants forced on events lately huh?
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>>159877538
Me too!
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>>159877617
Rome. All the emperors showed up just to wank Nero more.
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>>159875138
>Events of Extra happened with Hakuno contracted to both Nero AND Tamamo

That makes it AU from Extra though, because in none of the actual game you have two Servants.
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>melvin and brain damage going at full shitposting mode

Just kill this general already.
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Extra was a mistake.
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>>159873805
>Than doesn't mean he's a bigger threat than anyone in the war. That means that Lancelot would be the toughest opponent for everyone that isn't Diarmuid
You just contradicted yourself. And the quote outright states he is the greatest threat, stop trying to defend what's impossible to defend.

>And that's still wrong
>my headcanon matters more than Materials
Iskander's mom is the strongest Servant :^)
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>>159877617
We already got Septum.

It was bad.
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>>159877621
I saw the tutorial, read the manual, cleared Nero's route, and still can't figure out how to use NPs

You need to gather three phantasm circuits to do so and I have no idea how to do this or what a phantasm circuit even is for that matter
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>>159877457
That's one of the most retarded things to come out of this. If that info is right, then Nero is a huge asshole for not only getting rid of Tamamo, but also weakening her master's forces.
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>>159877621
How about that remake, huh?
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>>159876836
I have no problems with them appearing again as cameo or filler characters as I personally like them and they are the most populars, but they don't have to flesh them out with story and such as they are fully developed already
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>>159877546
That's not what anon said though.

Anon said Hakuno was split into mind body and soul
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>>159876862
Side material way back mentioned Heracles could no sell a CS from regular magi and Karna mentioned Jineko's Command Spell would be like a pebble in the road or something. Only top class magi would be able to force them.
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>>159877798
Least Ciel's still fuckable.
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>>159877463
I don't think Tamamofags will buy the game anymore. They really fuck up because Tamamo is more popular than Nero.
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>>159877701
>brain damage going at full shitposting mode
I'm not shitposting. Just saying Nero is good.

>>159877754
Nero is just better~
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>>159877701
Hopefully trump will gas the mentally ill. There's still hope for /fgog/ to be made great again.
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someone can make a summary of all the plot of extella?
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>>159877862
Melvin's getting deported anyway so it's a matter o f time for him
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>>159877878
No.
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>>159877737
I think you're suppose to pick them up from the stages. Don't know if it drops from enemy or in a hidden location somewhere/
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>>159877754
Well, yes. Nero is in fact a huge asshole.

>>159877845
You wish Tamamo was more popular.
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Extra should've ended with the first game, it got ruined to no end.
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>>159877816
Extella is an AU. It has no connection to Extra or CCC.

The story of Extra directly contradicts what happens in Extella backstory.
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>>159877889
Wall NP when?
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>>159877925
It isn't a wish, it's a fact.
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>>159877878
Aliens.
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>>159877816
Also Mind and Soul both have memories of both Nero and Tamamo, and in this world Nero and Tamamo shared a route, and because the body is their anchor they also get visions of Altera.

tl;dr >>159877546 is a cocksucking retard

>>159877907
Seems fucking stupid given how clearing 1-2 areas builds up your Regalia which WILL kill a servant with one use.
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>>159876202
Didn't even say anything about Tamamo, anon. I just expected Altera to be the lead in Extella.

Are all Nerofags so defensive?

>>159877546
I'm confused now. Then what's with the reveal of one Hakuno beating the Grail War then being split into three that was posted just now?

Or did Nasu lie again?
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>Nero and Tamamo stayed loyal to Hakuno
>Hakuno starting from a clean slate memory chooses to abandon both of them and suicides
>Nero literally stuck watching over a Hakuno who will never wake up
>Tamamo nowhere to be seen
>Altera dead too except for the one who is with Guda
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>>159877934
Nah, CCC was okay. I just hope there won't be a further installment so bad it causes us to look back at Extella with fondness.
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>>159877889
And he'll repeal obamacare so braindamage will die off
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>>159877925
>You wish Tamamo was more popular.
Anon, she beat Nero in all the polls they made. They fucked up.
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>>159877950
Mashu's final NP and skill upgrade in Babylon. Mashu will make Chaldea great again.
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>>159877527
The rank of UBW and GoB don't matter. Each weapon has its own rank, and UBW creates copies of weapons that are one rank down. UBW can do it faster, but his weapons are still shit, and therefore easier to defeat. Gil's weapons are both stronger quality and more varied.
Spam from all sides with weapons if varying function and higher power > faster spam with shittier weapons of lower quality and variety.

And Lancelot literally can't defend forever because he uses up a lot mana. Kariya almost fucking dies every time he sends Lancelot out. If Lancelot only defend until his master is dried out, he can't win a fight.
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>>159877443
>only his relationship with Enkidu being the one unexplored element
I feel like we pretty much got his entire part of that before Strange Fake happened. Enkidu's side of it is another thing, but as for Gil I just don't really feel like I know all I need or could even want to know about the guy.
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Oh you fucks

While Nero is popular. Tamamo is pretty popular as well or else she wouldn't have been the secondary heroine. HELL Tamamo even has a figma and tons of figures. The only reason Nero is the main for now is LOL FACE OF THE FRANCHISE aka a Saberface

Not to mention she beats Nero in popularity polls
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>>159877990
>>Tamamo nowhere to be seen
Presumably because it's saved for her route but yeah, her and soul Hakuno never showing up ever again after they're defeated midway through and run off was kind of dumb.
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Wait, I can't farm bones anymore?:(
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>>159877934
Extra by itself was bland as hell. Emiya was the only character to really benefit from it, as he already existed so the game was just an opportunity to see how he is when divorced from the Fuyuki setting.

CCC, as silly as it got, was pretty necessary to actually getting to know most of Extra's cast.
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>>159878118
Nope.

Looks like you're....Boned.
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>>159878118
>Wait, I can't farm bones anymore?:(
I'm sorry anon
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>>159876336
>Nero managed to somehow salvage Hakuno's data with the power of the new Regalia. It's implied that Hakuno's been sleeping for a really long time with Nero watching over all along.
Now that's LOYALTY

More than that slutty fox that got mindbroken can say.
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>>159877718
You're not understanding it properly then. It says that Lancelot was the biggest threat to everyone other servant, but that doesn't mean he can best everyone, it just means he's the biggest enemy. Diarmuid has an advantage against him because he's good at hit and run and duels. And Lancelot isn't a big threat to Iskandar because Iskandar is faster with his chariot and can just send a whole army at him, which Lancelot has nothing against.
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Hunting quests are needlessly difficult.
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>>159878118
>managed to ascend Billy and get Tamamo's third skill to 6
At least it's something, saving these apples for Christmas.
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>>159877934
First game was garbage, CCC at least was good, but not really worth it.
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>>159877964
>tl;dr >>159877546 (You) is a cocksucking retard
No, I'm not. Go and actually read what Nasu said about CCC ending. All happened within the matrix of the Mooncell.

Extella is AU because there's no route in Extra where Hakuno has two Servants. I didn't say it didn't happen, I just said it has zero connection to the original game or CCC, except as an au version of the events with their own follow up. It has no connection to the Servant endings in CCC/extra.

>>159877989
>Then what's with the reveal of one Hakuno beating the Grail War then being split into three that was posted just now?

In an AU from Extra story.
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>>159877990
Gudas really got it the best, I tell you.
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>>159877934
Back when Extra came out, everyone was talking about how it was a worthless entry to the series and should have ended the series after zero.
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>>159877848
Nero is garbage and you should feel bad because she's a wanked POS. She has no reason whatsoever to harm Tamamo of Tamamo was also Hakuno's servant. That just makes Nero a cunt who actually made things much worse for them.
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>>159878208
Hakuno won't wake up so it's not like it matters in the end.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nQS98bTV3s

Servant NPs in Extella

So is Jeanne's literally a suicide attack? They don't even hide the fact that Archimedes is Evil huh?
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>>159878309
I can't wait for the next entry where everyone will say it should've ended with FGO
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Why is it bad to be a free spirit and go against the grain and question everything?

Like, why should I be compliant if there is martial law or a draft? I'd rather die than be "forced" to kill people. Why should I obey all rules without question? Why is rebelliousness wrong?Why should I stay inside if there was a martial law, why shouldn't I smoke weed in public if it doesn't hurt anyone? Why should I settle for whatever women I can instead of getting what I want? Why? It's absolutely nonsense to me. Why settle for a 9-5 when I could just do art and scrape by without needing to pay taxes?
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>>159878381
5* Saber Jannu with Arash-like NP when?
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>>159878214
>he doesn't have a level 100 Jack support to use

wew lad
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>>159878356
Mkay.

>>159878393
me too. This is why i go to reddit. So I can actually meet people who enjoy the series instead of playing something they don't like and bitching about every character that's popular.

>>159878467
Hahaha someone is stalking me, that's some funny shit.
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>>159878393
Nasu said he was done with FHA/FZ, then CCC, now...
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>>159878381
When did Tamamo learn the spirit bomb?
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If you're a waifufag, are there males you wouldn't mind rolling or having? Same goes for fujos too, I suppose. Personally don't mind shota-waver or Gil
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXQ3Lis8JrQ NERO VENUS gameplay
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>>159878381
I forgot to mention

Altera is way stronger than Nero but Nero manages to defeat her in a duel because she uses her NP and Altera is too dazzled at how beautiful the theatre and Nero are to do anything.
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>>159878381
>first sword EMIYA pulls out is Nero's
Come the fuck on.
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>>159878572
Out of total servants?

Gawain
Dantes
Uncle Man Diaz
Achilles as long as he doesn't try to take Atalanta
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>>159878507
I don't hate Nero because she's popular, I hate her because she's poorly written, is a waifubait that only has any popularity because she's a big tittied Saberface, and steals the spotlight from newer and better characters. She does nothing right and or interesting and isn't even close to the real Nero. She's trash.
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>>159878637
>Altera is way stronger than Nero but Nero manages to defeat her in a duel because she uses her NP and Altera is too dazzled at how beautiful the theatre and Nero are to do anything.
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>>159878637
Okay this is too much, I can't take this anymore.
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>>159878637
I actually think that's a fitting way for Altera to lose, but Nero has gotten wanked so hard already that I still think it's stupid.
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>>159878039
>The rank of UBW and GoB don't matter. Each weapon has its own rank, and UBW creates copies of weapons that are one rank down.
You better start reading materials so you can know why they have that rank.

>Spam from all sides with weapons if varying function and higher power > faster spam with shittier weapons of lower quality and variety.
Except Gilgamesh would only be giving Lancelot stronger weapons. In terms of functionality, UBW is better than GoB against Lancelot, yet both would still fail hard and not accomplish anything.

>And Lancelot literally can't defend forever because he uses up a lot mana.
Just give him good Masters like Kayneth, Bazdilott, Sakura, Rin, Flat, Leo or Illya.
>Kariya almost fucking dies every time he sends Lancelot out.
Kariya is a confirmed piece of shit that nerfed Lancelot.
>If Lancelot only defend until his master is dried out, he can't win a fight
Now this is the only good point you have given. Except Gilgamesh is such an idiot that he will keep giving Lancelot stronger weapons and he may end up giving Lancelot something that can fuck him up, like Enkidu
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>>159878572
Why would I mind rolling males? Just because I prefer girls doesn't mean I get triggered in the presence of other men you nigger.
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>>159878637
>Altera is way stronger than Nero but Nero manages to defeat her in a duel because she uses her NP and Altera is too dazzled at how beautiful the theatre and Nero are to do anything.

BRAVO NASU
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>>159878661
>Come the fuck on.
It's all of his teammate's weapons. Aside from that Chinese dude because he's an assassin here

Get over it
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>>159878692
So many others would disagree.
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Playing Gil's sidestory, my nip is rusty but it seems that Gilgamesh is from CCC True end. When the system reset, he left Far Side. His command spells/plot armor made him witness the war with New Hakuno and his new Servants?

It seems to implied, Extella Hakuno is a back up data faux created by mooncell to fill the void of the Hakuno who left and thus created a error of system.

I'm not sure what's with Liz yet.
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>>159878368
It matters to the one behind Hakuno though, which is us. Just as Nero staying loyal to Hakuno rather than Guda, Nero saving a part of Hakuno and waiting by his side for the rest of eternity truly shows just how she has changed. It shows she actually means what she says, no matter what happens there is no other and there will never be.
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>>159878381
Rider's NP looks better than the UBW anime
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>>159878507
Weren't you just bitching the other day about how you """broke up""" with Nero and started dedicating yourself to Liz?
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>>159878637
>Altera is way stronger than Nero but Nero manages to defeat her in a duel because she uses her NP and Altera is too dazzled at how beautiful the theatre and Nero are to do anything.

As an alien this kinda makes sense though. Also let's be fair, I think this would probably the the main effect of her NP.

Seeing as her NP back in Extra was "No one knows what happens when the stage is opened" aside from her getting ridiculous boost of power
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>>159878637
>>159878743
>>159878696
>>159878692
Altera already lost to Nero in Rome why is this surprising to anyone

Besides Altera has always been interested in civilization and shit it is totally justifiable to lose herself momentarily in a moment of awe in Nero's theater. It's no fucking different than Archer not bringing himself to drop the swing on Shirou when he could've killed him and instead let himself get stabbed
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>>159878637
Really Nasu?
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>>159878842

Stop replying to the retarded redditor.
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>>159878572
>fujo
Fujo =/= husbandofag
Though I'm okay with rolling Sanzou, Jack, Illya, Helena, or Nero. I've already rolled the other girls I like.
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>>159878661
I like how he summons ubw with the ring of fire and when he dozens of swords unlike UBW when he shot like 6.

They also got Gae Bolg perfect, unlike the UBW anime.
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>>159878637
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>>159878873
>Altera already lost to Nero in Rome why is this surprising to anyone

Honestly people forget this part. but then again this is a place where people put the greek gods on high regards too.
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>>159878782
Archimedes corrupted her with the void cells.
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>>159876706
Illya. It doesn't bother me because I like her, in fact I don't care about Prisma version Illya much at all since she's inferior in every way to the original, but the fact that I'll never have the complete Emiya family collection annoys me.
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>>159879003
>Archimedes is literally the meme doujin NTR corruption dude complete with dark skin
wew
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>>159878964
Pajeet weren't you humbled just a while ago? What makes you think you can shitpost?
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>>159878873
FGO Altera doesn't have orbital laser.
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>>159878896
That's a cute Illya
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>>159876706
Jeanne Alter. Failed at getting her both times she was available. So I sold my account and bought a new one
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>>159879029
She screws up all of his plans at the very end by being a useless fuckup though.
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>>159878739
I know why they have the rank they have. They can produce weapons of widely varying ranks. The issue is that GoB naturally has weapons of those ranks, while UBW has to create them after Emiya sees them, and they're still a rank down from the original. That's an important plot point in FSN.

UBW is not functionally better either. It only lasts a few minutes and he'd need strong and varied weapons to chip away at Lancelot. GoB is indefinite and is stronger by default because of the variety and quality. Giving Lancelot better weapons won't really help him when there are more and more coming his way.

And giving him a better matter isn't an option. This is about Gil and Lancelot as they are in Zero. Gil is good with any master, Lancelot as a zerker needs an above average or better to last more than a few minutes because of the mana cost.

And Gil won't just toss out Enkidu, he values it more than even Ea. If he won't pull out Ea against Lancelot, he won't pull out Enkidu.
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>>159878842
Not exactly. I've barely been here lately. Do keep in mind there's other people who try to post like me to bait me, since this place doesn't like me. though that isn't very common. I do love the shit out of Liz too though, and have since CCC. I just don't talk about her as much. I did more so after that last event in GO with her obviously.
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>>159878836
Hakuno is not a self-insert. You are not behind Hakuno, you are above Hakuno watching their story, but you are not Hakuno.
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>>159878850
So Altera got Deculture'd?
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Rolling my single ticket and three quartz, place your bets
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>>159879038
>Pajeet weren't you humbled just a while ago? What makes you think you can shitpost?

I'm not indian bro, Even the Indian gods were jokes.

Gods in legends weren't all that were cracked up to be as mortals outsmarted and fucked them over regardless if it's Greek or Indian myth

The only legit Gods that are "Powerful" would be the Norse onces but only because most of them were "WARRIORS" and not sissies who governed random things
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>>159879143
Yes
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>I-It's an AU
No, it's not. It's a continuation of CCC True end. Did you fags forget Mooncell was going to get reset and system start over? Hakuno was always a ghost in the system, they just pulled another copy of him/her to reboot the war, this time he had two Servants, Nero and Tamamo. We don't know the rules under the new AI, because Sakura left. It's really not connected to the Servant ends and confirms Gilgamesh route in CCC.
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>>159878621
So Altera was a nerowank all this time.
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>>159878765
No, no they wouldn't. You like her for her face. Her character is poorly written trite with nothing special about it. And Tamamo is more popular.
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>>159879134
He's a self insert bro.
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>>159879161
GOOD LUCK anon!
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>>159876706
Illya.

because I spent 240 quartz and 10 tickets and received a grand total of 0 4* servants to take my mind off of how I wasted all that time for literally nothing.

I don't give a fuck that she is shit
I will always remember and I will always be angry.
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>>159878782
So CCC Gil is the "canon" route preceding Extella, Hakuno's original Servant was an unknown Berserker, and the Moon Cell attempting to compensate created a Hakuno that contracted with two Servants that he didn't originally contract with in this route?
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move on
>>159879286
>>159879286
>>159879286
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>>159879134
>Hakuno is not a self-insert
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>>159879259
Not that guy but I like her for the voice

I like CC Sakura
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>>159879161
I hope you can get best Saber Lancelot and join us on glorious UNRIVALED posting
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>>159879134
lmao
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>>159879313
Something like that. Gil wasn't contracted with this Hakuno because he's not the one he met originally. That Hakuno left with Sakura. It's like Nasu said, all routes happened, Servant routes happened too, and he actually hinted there's a Hakuno "running around in Mooncell" despite there's one (or two) on Earth. I'll try to make a chart when my throbbing headache subsidies.
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>>159879187
I kinda have a bad opinion about norse god since their defeat is already written.
I don't know why you think Indian gods are jokes though. Not all of them but some are almost Yaveh tiers.

The world literraly can't exist if Shiva doesn't have his eyes open hence why he can open a third one just in case the other two are unable to see.
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>>159878964
No one gives a shit about the Greek Gods.

>>159879038
Because you tried to prove a point with memes, which don't help you at all.
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>>159878621
How strong is she supposed to be?
Her stats are not that impressive
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>>159879134
At this point I don't think anyone is stupid enough to self-insert into someone who doesn't have any happy endings.
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>>159877443
>Gilgamesh is in a similar situation, with only his relationship with Enkidu being the one unexplored element.
>Arturia was finished all the way back in F/HA

I don't understand this double standard. We have nothing but second-hand info or like two very short snippets about how either Artoria or Gil interacted with the rounds/Enkidu, but one is considered done while the other needs more fleshing out?

Having her actually show up and face the Round Table so they can all get the millennium-long drama fest sorted out at last is pretty high up in the list of shit I'd like to see. So far we have nothing but a bunch of grumbling about how everyone realizes Mistakes Were Made, but no catharsis.
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>>159879569
>I don't know why you think Indian gods are jokes though. Not all of them but some are almost Yaveh tiers.

I know the Yaveh tiers it's just the other 330 million GODS that are so irrelevant that most people don't even know them right now that I'm referring to.
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>>159879112
>while UBW has to create them after Emiya sees them,
He has seen a lot of NPs in his life, all of them are stored. He only needs to see them once and they are stored.

>UBW is not functionally better either.
It is, it's faster, so it can pressure Lancelot more even if only a bit. Meanwhile Lancelot in Zero is implied to be able to detect the rank/power of the weapons, as he was exchanging the weaker weapons for the stronger ones. If Lancelot gets Enkidu he can fuck up the Gate like Ko Gil did against Angelica.

>This is about Gil and Lancelot as they are in Zero.
Then I agree. It is indeed implied twice that Gilgamesh can beat Lancelot by prolonging the fight and making Kariya run out of prana.

>And Gil won't just toss out Enkidu, he values it more than even Ea. If he won't pull out Ea against Lancelot, he won't pull out Enkidu.
He pulled Enkidu and not EA against Heracles. Lancelot pisses off Gilgamesh, you can expect him to do stupid shit.
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>>159877817
Reread the post you replied to because nothing you said contradicted it. What part of any of that has to do with it being because of willpower?
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>>159878637
>Nasu desperately going "Please like Nero, she's too cute to lose"
>literal worthless retards happily buy that excuse
>despite Nasu's efforts Nero is still the least liked of all the main heroines
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>>159879070
Illya is cute.
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>>159878939
Are you actually serious about these things or is it just really poor trolling?

>They also got Gae Bolg perfect, unlike the UBW anime.

Like here, for instance. The thrown version looks exactly the same in the anime as it does in the VN, mainly because there's not much variation you can do to "shining explosive missile." Do you just start bitching about these things by reflex without thinking or something?
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>>159871754

Velber is the name of the "wandering planet" (a term for a planet that's just flying around in space, unattached to the orbit of a star) that's really an artificial construct of some kind built by the same race that made the Moocell. It seems to have a culling function, IE, it goes around to planets/races that the Mooncell people have discovered and destroys their civilizations for some reason, resetting both their progress and the Mooncell watching them.

Altera and her siblings are living superweapons, a vanguard unit that flies around with the Velber planetoid as its vanguard, doing the actual work of going down and fucking shit up.
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>>159879187
The greatest warriors in the Hindu legends were some of the gods like Shiva, Vishnu, Ganesha, and Krishna. They ranked above heroes like Rama, Karna, Arjuna, Drona, and even Indrajir in some cases.
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>>159877990
>>Tamamo nowhere to be seen
Wait until someone finishes her route, dummy. Chances are she dies though
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>>159880407
inb4 she gets to stay with her Hakuno with no death involved.
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>>159880163
He means single target Gae Bolg. It's supposed to bend at the perfect angle to strike, not turn into a laser tentacle. DEEN got that part right.
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So what is Saber Venus and how does Nero end up like that?
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>>159876462

The game is all ABOUT Altera, plotwise, but the Main character and heroine is undoubtedly Nero.
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>>159864849
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH NASU?! NOW MY FAVORITE SABER HAD HER SWORD MAKE SOME SENSE AND WAS LITERALLY BRIDEMATERIAL AND HE FUCKING KILLS HER`?!

WHAT THE LITERAL SPACECRAFTED FUCK?
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>>159876462

>Nero gets to be the most important at the...

>I thought it was Altera, what does...

The entire plot of Extella, from beginning to end, of all routes, can literally be summed up as:

Once upon a time, Altera was a ginormous, living xenocide war machine sent to Earth to wipe out all life. She lost and essentially lived a while as a Human, and then a Servant, without her death machine memories.

Now her death machine memories are back and she's fighting one of those inner-world, schizophrenic soul wars about "I want to be a person and know happiness and love and Master!!" "NO you are moe, the bunny destroyer of worlds, and you will robotically and evilly kill EVERYTHING."

This makes her sad, and she sacrifices herself with Hakuno and the "good" Servants' help so that she can't destroy everything.

Any of the other enemy Servants just get ropes along for the ride, or decide arbitrarily to fuckl shit up like Iskandar because he's a moron.
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>>159883076
>Once upon a time, Altera was a ginormous, living xenocide war machine sent to Earth to wipe out all life.
>The aliens are giant fetichist
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