/poeg/ - Path of Exile General

turdbirds out

make poe great again

>>159781004
>Remove fear of loss
>Everyone just runs the most meta bullshit

>>159781004
>that Raider

Welp I guess I know what I'm rolling next league

>>159781004
the fucking disgusting amount of Pathfinders i nthe game

>>159781372
it's never been this bad. not even during the memeblast meta

GGG should be ashamed of themselves

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>>159781004
chris pls buff ascendant i just made my first one this league

>>159781463
it's pretty balanced if you look at hardcore
nobody cares about shitcore flocking to streamer builds

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>>159781620
>it's pretty balanced if you look at hardcore
>A facetank build ahead of minions/totem classes in HC

>>159781769
vinktar was a mistake

when is ggg going to rebuff ice wall in celebration of trump

>>159781696
is that your trump victory dance

>ice wall

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>>159782201
Yes

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Won a $42 armour set after placing top 50 in a race. I repeat, GGG gifted me a $42 armour set for F R E E. This right here is the only argument I need against people saying GGG are greedy.

pol was right

>>159782658
it costs them nothing to give mtx away though

>playing hardcore crusader
>trump wins

hmm

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Mods are asleep
Post ranger

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>>159782658
F R E E!??

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>>159783665

ded
Just like Hillary

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what did he mean by this?

What class gonna be good with Blade Flurry ?

I'm hesitating between
Assasin, Gladiator, Berserker, Pathfinder, Champion.

>>159785936
Scion

>>159786285
lol no

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What is it poeg?

skin transfer

>>159785936
Do we even know what the mechanics of it are yet?

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I wanted gore portal, oh well.

>>159787404
blood worm pet

i reached lvl10 in a race and then deleted my character when it was in void league

i don't have my carnage box yet

did i fuck myself poeg

>>159787635
i deleted all my race characters 2 minutes after each race and still got my reward

contact support

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>>159739000
>>159739598
>Maces clusters aren't focused on stunning
>Sword clusters aren't focused attack speed and leech
>Axe clusters is the only cluster that is thematically correct with the focus on damage

Staves too I guess with the focus on block, but eh. They should really fix those up.

>>159787764
nah i don't care

>>159787791
so why did you post

>>159787971
because

>>159787635
did you complete the challenge of the race?

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>>159787768
>Maces clusters aren't focused on stunning
What are you talking about?

>>159788071
probably not

whatever

>>159788131
then you wont get a box

>>159788187
whatever

this game is shit

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>>159787768
Actually rethinking it, axes should be most focused on range rather than damage. They should all have similar damage outputs.

>>159787768
I meant those specific clusters.

I got a stupid hideout decoration. Just fucking kill me

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i got 63th in the brutus race WHERE ARE MY FOOTPRINTS

>>159788590
cucked by RNG again

>>159788590
Not a single top 50 finish? I thought you were going to win 20 demis?

>>159788943
i've been busy playing HC minecraft

racing is boring

>>159781004
What even is Pathfinder and why do people pick it?

>>159788998
I think you're just a bad player without the crutch of poe.trade tbhwyf

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>>159788521
same

>>159789065
There's nothing wrong with Pathfinder, the problem is stupid ass OP unique flasks. PF just buffs flasks more than any other ascendancy

>>159789149
tell that to m'yre demis

>>159789885
>OP unique flasks
Elaborate. I don't think I've ever seen an even somewhat useful unique flask.

>>159789960
pls stop

>>159789960
Taste of Hate ?
Vinktar ?
Dying Sun ?

>>159790054
>Taste of Hate
Fair enough, that does seem pretty OP.
>Vinktar
Why would any of those variants be good? They seem really mediocre.
>Dying Sun
This would only be good on certain builds; it's utterly useless on the vast majority of builds.

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>>159790242
>Why would any of those variants be good? They seem really mediocre.

>he doesn't know

I got fucking skin transfers

>>159790242
>Vinktar
Basically because
>Shocks nearby Enemies during Flask effect
Should really read
>50% more damage against all enemies

>>159790242
>This would only be good on certain builds
Yes, but it's a 7th link, and generally 1 link is worth more than 1 flask slot.

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>>159790242
>Vinktar
>Why would any of those variants be good? They seem really mediocre.

>>159790242
20% leech is 10x leech support gem
It's 30% if you invest into Pathfinder + flask nodes

They nerfed the shit out of life leech previously because it's stupid strong (look at the patch note history on life leech support gem).


Dying Sun gives a lot of AoE (the equivalent of a level 11 support, or level 26 with flask node supports) AND multiple projectile without a HUGE damage penalty imposed by the support gems.

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>>159790629

>>159790629
Same when I realize Trump's gonna win.

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>>159790729
Don't be sad my friend!

going to sleep
wake me up in 2020 when this joke world has come to an end

I got carnage wings.
I'm gonna be an edgy piece of shit in town!
Praise GGG, praise kek.
What a day.

>>159790754
>Trump's gonna win
But he already won.

>>159791581
That doesn't not invalidate my point at all

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>>159791235
I would've loved to say this if I don't have sick parents that still require my care.

Waking up is so tiring.

>>159792594
you're a good person

>>159790242
Don't forget it scales with flask effectiveness. PF gets 20% and there is 30% available on the passive tree too.

>>159792594
ily

Is mine gameplay viable for HC? I'm worried that running in the middle of packs to drop an explosive turd would only be a reliable way to get killed.

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trump won poeg

he really actually won

this would be the perfect year if GGG gits gud

>>159794259
the first level 100 in EHC was a KB mine Saboteur fyi

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>>159625219
>free
>>159637013
>free
>>159637985
>free
>>159638121
>free
>>159641574
>free
>>159648564
>free
>>159652818
>free
>>159699716
>free
>>159727325
>free
>>159728614
>free
>>159728730
>free
>>159730554
>free
>>159731851
>free
>>159732103
>free
>>159751363
>free
>>159760423
>free

>>159794336
i thought they killed KB with frost wall?

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>>159794925
thanks

worst poster

poe 0-4
read 5-9

>>159795089

have you ever rolled poe?

>>159795174
it's the first time i didn't

>>159782658
go away chris
im not playing your shit dead game again, not until 3.0.0 at least

>>159795089
poe 1-3
any other game 4-6
draw 7-9
masturbate and sleep 0

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>>159794925
best poster

>>159795609
post your draw when you wanna

>want to play poe
>depression

>>159781004
>the city of Raider

Ascendant was bad they said topkek

>>159796423
melee ranger is simply impossible

>>159796565
Whats wrong with ranged raider?

>>159796673
pathfinder is still better for both melee and ranged, in some cases of ranged deadeye can be fine

honestly raider is just shit ascendancy, on par with scions ascendant

>>159797549
Wrong, people are just bad at recognizing how good it is.

>>159797694
yea sure

also i dont like how phasing effect looks like, and running around as a bunch of wireframes 90% of the time is just disgusting aesthetically.

>>159797762
That's just, like, your opinion man

Only got Radiant set from the race weekend. Oh well, still okay.

>>159799240
free armour sets are best armour sets

poison reave raider?

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:^)

>>159799748
you filthy support slut

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:^)

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:^)

>>159801260
>>159801814
FILTHY support slut

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Is it just imposible to play explosive arrow without being fucked in the ass by reflect?

>5 stacks of EA (x5 cause of GMP)
>70k damage x5
>times 5-30 mobs affected

wooow I held my button for .3 seconds instead of .1 seconds now im dead.

ded

are there any twin stick arpgs

Which build is the most fun?

>>159807383
blade flurry

Give me a good hipster build.

>>159808361
blade vortex

I really wish people would stop posting those gay weeb pictures.

Shinoa is pure shit yes but weebs are okay

>wake up
>trump won
>ggg is making masters great again

what a time to be alive

Hey guys I ran 500 of these T3 maps and here's the loot can you like and subscribe thanks.

>"When you die in a Zana mission you respawn at her map device."
I've never die in her mission, what happens now when you die in her mission?

>>159812078
If you were inside a map and then entered a zana mission and died, you'd respawn at the map start. Or possibly wherever you'd left a portal, I forget.

>>159812173
So ... this is really nothing? Why are people so excited about this?

>>159812334
it's convenient, even if small
the other changes are more significant

I have about 18 days left to complete 5 end game challenges, can I do it

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>demon hand cleave effect

>>159812078
Who cares about Zana, it looks like they finally noticed how much of a pain in the ass Vorici is.

>>159812334
dying cost you a portal to the zana map and a portal to the map you were on, now it only costs a zana map.

if you didn't tp before entering the zana map it also meant a long run to the map device. time is pretty important

>>159787563
I just realize this is almost 20 bucks. It looks small as fuck even on Marauder. How the hell is this worth 20 bucks?!?!

>>159814297
Look at those faggot icycles and tentacle wings around town. How is any of it worth money at all?

i just killed my ehc character in protest to trump winning. anyone else did the same?

best flasks for EQ build?
1 life, 1 granite/lions roar, 1 quicksilver, 1 basalt, 1 taste of hate?
what is a good substitute for ToH when i cant afford it?

>>159814779
Help yourself.
Suicide Hotline: 8002738255
Trans Crisis Hotline: 8775658860
LGBTQ+ Hotline: 8664887386

>>159814779
cuck confirmed
MAGA

>>159814892
atziri's promise

>>159814925
Bleach does the job faster. euthanasia will get rid of LGBT degenerates under trump hopefully

https://youtu.be/EwFSyHUsocI?t=633

REMINDER

>>159790242
And to add to the other posts, PF can have flasks up constantly.

So when comparing builds (which includes gemsets, gear, and PST (Passive Skill Tree)) I found that KillerB's "Proper Oro's" included costly unnecessary items. I focus my builds to show players both new and old that creating a viable fun build has little to do with expensive and popular items. The Kaom's Heart chest and 6L Oro's Sacrifice used with "proper Oro's" for many players might seem hard to obtain, and are not necessary. While all three builds use Gang's Momentum These boots are also unnecessary. One can take a dual res pair of boots with life, and a boost to the armour defense stat and satisfy the build's viability just the same, and you can probably find something useful around 1-5 chaos.

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>>159817943

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1bLufR-VA
How can GGG possibly compete?
2017 will be the end of PoE, mark my words

>>159818741
go to your gen dtard

>open free box
>hideout thing
fuck you

>get free shit
>complain
fuck off

does d3 even have a general now
i just shitpost in here whenever i want to discuss it

This is the d3 general

I don't understand why poe doesn't have races non stop?

CUTTHROAT LEAGUE WHEN FFS
Its the only thing still fun in this game
You guys can't really enjoy grinding over and over again can you?

What's the actual reason for not having better trading ingame? I've heard that it's like this because it promotes player interaction, but I could do without wasting a minute for a "ty" in chat when trading. Am I just a casual and does everyone else like the current trading?

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>PPPD-368

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>>159823289
>What's the actual reason for
Because Chris Wilson hates you.

>>159823289
fuck off trading is in a good place. be glad you don't have to pay for this masterwork of a game you entitled retard. bet you voted trump too

Is this game active? Does it have an active community?

Thinking of trying it out until Nostalrius launches.

Tried playing the new D3 season on hardcore but it got boring and I didn't like the classes that much.

>>159825115
I don't know any actual numbers but it feels very active, much more than D3

>>159825115
It's somewhat active for an ARPG, it doesn't pull huge numbers, but for a niche game with a retardedly steep learning curve, it does pretty well with ~10k active players at peak periods. Activity is cyclical though, right now you're at a down period where people are done with the current league and are waiting for the next big update in December. It's not a bad time to start, but the real activity will start again in a month or so

oy lads whens the next crumpin' league commin out?

>>159825598
december 2nd/9th

>>159824207
post more guds

>>159825191
>>159825280
Alright. Can I go straight into hardcore and just play it safe or am I better off sticking to softcore until I get a grasp on things?

how would a totem EA inquisitor work out?

>100k-300k+ resist ignoring aoe
>totems auto aim for you and will hit 2-3 screens away
>10k energy shield to keep you safe, plus consecrated ground/vaal discipline

bit shitty vs bosses tho

>>159826954
>(50-31)% less Damage double dipping penalty on ignite
>Attack-based Inquisitor
Good luck getting the accuracy needed to deal no damage crits

>>159826275
It's best to level a softcore char to understand wtf is going on.

>>159826275
You can go straight into hardcore if you want, but the systems are weird and you'd be more comfortable learning them in softcore.

>>159827387
But could I pull of playing HC for a few weeks if I was smart and played things safe?

>>159827434
Don't plan on playing very long term so I'm not that concerned.

>>159827275

>explosive arrow
>accuracy
>ignite
>when all endgame bosses are immune to burn and half the maps end up with ele immune mods
>when a gem that lets you do 70% more damage by forfeiting burn/freeze exist

damn son...

>>159827483
>for a few weeks
Probably not.

>>159827523
i really hope this is bait

>>159827523
Good luck with your build.

>>159823289
don't be a douchebag and figureout GGG business model. Its the exact same reason they refuse to balance the game and fix the retarded shit

>>159827645
Standard or Essence league?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSmPgLJtq8k
GGG on top of the meme game once again

how do people maintain chiseling, alching and if needed chaosing every red map they run?
i dont feel like running a +20q, x% packsize rare red map always yields a return after investing between 1.3-2.3c in it.

i work harder at playing poe than GGG does developing it

>>159829917
chisels aren't expensive, neither are alchs, chaosing maps should be minimal if your build is good, the bulk of your cost should be fragments + zana mod

>>159830154
well, i chaos a map when it has no packsize on it or when it has phys reflect, since i cant deal with that.
what fragments? also, i never used the zana mods before, should i do that?

>>159830371
sacrifice fragments, +5 IIQ each
yes, at least on higher reds with good pack size, you should

if you have 100+ atlas bonus, you should be sustaining t12-t13s fairly easily without all that extra cost though

>>159830628
so with 100+ atlas bonus i can just run alch n go, no chisels etc?

>>159825280
10k is a very low estimate. Right now, during the down period, there are 10k people on Steam alone and steam is typically estimated to be 1/4-1/2 of the player base.

>>159830886
chisels cost nothing, it's stupid to skip 20 map IIQ just because you're being jewish

Do I sell my essences now and bring the currency back to standard or hold on to them and sell in standard later?

>>159828913
Always go for the current temporary league. Standard is basically purgatory, where all the garbage eventually ends up and just sort of piles higher and higher until it all compresses and the stuff at the bottom becomes a shit-diamond.

>>159830886
More or less. Anything below T13 you can fairly safely just alch n go. T13 or higher I tend to chisel and chaos a couple times just so the time I spend is more efficient. I have fairly low requirements though, I only roll until Packsize * IIQ is >1500, before frags/unid/sextant bonuses. This takes 1-2 chaos on average, and the map returns are almost always massive profit.

>>159831082
so what additional costs did you mean, fragments and zana mods?
i assume beyond is a good mod, what else, anarchy and invasion?

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>>159831384

>>159830154
chisels aren't very expensive
but lower tiers of red maps are also cheap as fuck, under a 13 probably isn't worth chiseling. not worth chaosing unless there's a mod that you can't handle or dramatically slows your clear speed, even if the quantity bonus is weak or there's no pack size
>but muh maintain maps
that SHOULD maintain maps if you're actually getting the map drop bonuses from completing objectives, and if it doesn't then who gives a shit because maps are still cheap as fuck.

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>>159831735
but it's hard to sustain red maps with only four tabs

this game is p2w t-b-h

>>159832713
tabs increase your map drop rate?
wow they should really document that mechanic

no idiot

it's hard to keep up with the currency needed to roll red maps properly to sustain them with only four tabs

>>159833174
>>159833235
also picking all maps up to trade up helps or the maps chis vendor

>>159833323
to be honest the only way to sustain chisels without buying them is with the chisel recipe, but that takes up so much space it's ridiculous

you'd need like 5 tabs dedicated to just the chis recipe to do that

>>159833380
not sure about that goyim

>>159833380
>you'd need like 5 tabs
one full inventory of gavels is 72 spaces
6 maps after that is 6 more spaces
a map pool of 50 maps and you still aren't using up even a single tab
you're fucking retarded.

>>159831084
sell them now

>>159818741
>The voltaxic rift build getting rekt by guardians
That is, I am doing a Phy/Poison Build in standard
>In b4 don't get hit

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>>159833637
>>159833571
>chis recipe
>chaos recipes
>regal recipes
>trade tabs
>currency tab

are you actually trying to argue this game isn't p2w

>>159834691
sounds more like based on players skill and then if you fall into a high percentage then player wallet

>>159834917
ah yes because so many top players only use four tabs

>>159835641
I think you should reread my post friend

>>159836219
don't ignore my point retard

we only have mature discussion here

>>159836341
I think you should reread his post faggot

>>159834691
>chaos recipe
>regal recipe
full retard, both of those are a waste of time. it doesn't matter if your tab space is infinite you shouldn't waste time on that shit.

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>>159838194
when you have infinite stash space it's easy to fill up 50 tabs with chaos/regal recipes and then turn them in for hundreds of chaos and regal orbs

>>159838319
and the time you waste picking up all that garbage is not worth the chaos you get.
you
fucking
retard

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what did you get from your free get-to-lvl-10-in-a-race box?

>friend gives me 2 stacks of jewelers to 6 socket my Quill Rain
>get it in ~15 jewelers
>only have 3 fusings
>6 link it on the last one

time to die in HC Essence with this weapon worth 10 exalts

>>159838319
>>159838519
Just grab belts, ammys, and rings, and when you get 1/1/2, grab the rest of the set while mapping. Don't bother storing the other pieces.

>>159838842
no because ziz told me you can run another map in those 5 seconds it takes you to vendor the items therefore losing potential unlimited currency

>>159839134
ziz also gets tons of free shit and help from everybody

>>159838319
Do you actually do the Regal recipe? They're worth less than a Chaos, so I typically just run a couple of lower tier maps to get ilvl <75 for the recipe.

it's funny how many people pretend this game isn't p2w

>>159835641
correlation does not imply causation

when you've understood that, you can start explaining your own position instead of being a retarded little child

>>159841092
go look at the top50 and find somebody who hasn't bought tabs, retard

or the top100 for that matter

now fuck off you odious little polyp

>play game for first time in a month
>do three maps
>8 uniques drop, 5 from ramparts boss
>do double beyond residence
>4 calling div cards
>ex drops


i'm sorry you tried so hard chris but this game is still boring, not falling for it.

>>159841167
correlation still does not imply causation

many top players are male
many top players are white
many top players play in a party

consequently, being a white male and having friends must be p2w under your logic

I am now bored with my Facebreaker Cyclone build. Someone recommend me a fun one.

>>159841167
>go look at the top50 and find somebody who hasn't bought tabs, retard
there is by the way, absolutely no way to check how many if any tabs someone has bought, based on their ladder ranking

so not only are you wrong in your reasoning, you're also wrong in assuming and speculating things you have no reliable way to check

doryanis fist cyclone

imagine being so retarded you can't understand why this game can't be won without spending money on tabs

great argument

>>159841264

except tabs do facility the making and accumulation of currency

and currency is needed to progress past a point

But Doryani's Fist is just objectively weaker than Facebreaker.

is it

Yeah. Probably.
Either way, Cyclone is boring.

>>159841603
>except tabs do facility the making and accumulation of currency
you have no way of proving that

if we're looking at a strict currency/hour metric, who do you think is going to make the most money? the one playing efficiently, doing things most other people cannot (e.g. uber lab runs, guardians service) or the one stopping every 5 minute to sell a 1c item?

doryanis fist ci pf bv

>>159841603
Not really. I have killed the Shaper and I only bought two tabs because I like to horde worthless uniques because they look cool.

>>159841819
>pf bv
What do these letters mean? I see them everywhere.

>>159841804
the one who plays efficiently and flips
flipping eats 1-2 tabs. and if you use the remaining 2 tabs just to stash things until they sell (optimally you should price so you always sell quick), you still will run into shit that simply takes longer to sell but has a very high value. extra stash tabs start becoming a necessity the more of those things you find (or flip)
>>159841851
its easy to rationalize how the game is not p2w after you already paid to win. i used to do it too

What do people use for Juggernaut? EQ? AW?

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even p2w korean grinders give the players a way to compete without spending money even if it means they have to play 20 hours a day

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>>159842054
I feel like you overestimate my competency. Does me having 3 full tabs of worthless uniques like this give me a competitive advantage over other players?

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Stash tabs are P2W, I don't see how people can't consider them P2W.

Consider if you only started with 1 stash tab. Would buying more and a currency tab be considered P2W? Well probably after you've played with 4. Well if you started with 4 stash tabs and I gave you 6 more and a currency maybe you'd reconsider.

But there is obviously a threshold as to when the effectiveness of stash tabs stop but the reality is because of "premium" features there is no threshold when they stop because you can use them for as many trivial things as you could possibly want if you had infinite FREE stash tabs.

>>159842213


who knows, you could be a ssf player for all i know.

what im saying is that on the right hands, extra stash tabs (up to a point) do mean a strict advantage

>>159842054
>extra stash tabs start becoming a necessity the more of those things you find (or flip)
not a proof. you should really start to understand the difference between making a claim and proving its truthfulness.

if you flip top value items, you have, by definition, very little use for extra space, since your investment is only worthwhile if you can sell fast (e.g. flip). if you flip lower value items that require more storage space, you are less efficient than the player flipping top value items, again under the metric of optimizing currency/hour.

>>159842589

you forget that even if you flip, the end result often also needs stash space

even if its items (that you may consume as your ip), or maps (that may consume as you level) or something else, there is always space being taken up, and its not that hard to reach a point were you simply are making more currency than you can store or flip within the 4 stash tabs that you have. thats why people often have to use mules

feel free to believe none of that proves anything. whatever you need to tell yourself so you can claim this game aint p2w i guess

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>Stash tabs are P2W

Reminder that baddies will literally, L I T E R A L L Y say ANYTHING at all...aside from that which is true:

>The reason I don't top the ladder is because i'm fucking bad, so I blame it on me not having enough place to stash my fucking garbage items and leveling uniques

>>159843059

>trying to Correct The Record this badly

>>159842523
>Consider if you only started with 1 stash tab. Would buying more and a currency tab be considered P2W?
Not more so than now. If you give everyone the same baseline and some people thrive without needing any extra storage space, then you can't argue said extra storage space is p2w.

>>159842830
I will because your entire logic is based on "it's true because I said so!" statements that have no logical basis behind them. The more you flip lower value items, the more you need storage space, but the more you flip lower value items, the less efficient you are, by definition. The equilibrium point of optimal storage space used for solely for flipping is impossible to determine, but you've yet to prove it is above 2 stash tabs.

Yeah but guys I want a fun build to play as.

>>159843162
Here's what you need to win the ladder in a 4 month league:

>Time
>Knowledge of what to run past
>Decent drops
>Enough currency to buy endgame sustainable gear

Notice how >Stash Tabs isn't one of these?

>>159843059
i've been within the top 10 three times during HC leagues without spending money. i'm a special kind of retard though

>>159843238
If people 'thrive' better with storage space then who's to say it isn't p2w because of the inverse situation?

>>159843238
>its impossible to prove
>please prove it

ok

>>159843293
>currency and stash space are unrelated

you've GOT to be a paid GGG shill to come here and post that

>>159839525
You only need a single piece in the set to be <75 for it to become a chaos recipe. The rest can be >75

>>159843409
>If people 'thrive' better with storage space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
When have you proven players thrive better with more storage space? In other words, can you prove playing on 4 default tabs isn't the optimal way to "win" since the constraint of limited storage space forces you to be more efficient?

>>159843238
>but you've yet to prove it is above 2 stash tabs.

youve yet to prove its under 6. or 20

>>159843519
But the burden of proof isn't on him because he isn't making any assertions.

>>159843512
Clearly having infinite storage space and premium tabs is the most optimum way to win. How is that even a question compared to 4 starting tabs?

>>159843567
he is making the assertion that 4 stash tabs are enough

>>159843628
He is making the assertion that your assertions have no support, which is not the same thing.

>>159843440
currency and stash space are loosely related in the sense that you could, in theory, gain slightly more currency from selling garbage rares to the .01% of the games population that would actually buy it

but the time needed to pull shit like that makes it not worth it

and good rares are infrequent enough that to fill up a whole tab with them is near impossible by the time the ladder is over.

the only argument you have is saving trash rares for chaos recipes, which doesn't even matter because by the time people have poopsocked to 100 in a week you won't even have shit out an exalt with the recipe spam

4 stash tabs are easily not enough.
>1 page just for currency
>1 page for essences
>1 page for divination cards
>1 page for maps

Also chaos and regal recipes and uniques will take up a lot more pages

>CTR has left
>but GGG defense force stays

this is why we can't have progress desu

>>159843440
It's impossible to determine the equilibrium point, not to prove there is one, learn to read.

>>159843519
If you need 20 tabs to flip, you're flipping less efficiently than the person needing only 2 tabs to flip, again this is merely simple logic. You can throw any wild number you want, pretending you need 20 or 50 or 100 stash tabs in order to be optimal, but that only serves to discredit your position.

>>159843603
Clearly not, since limited time (the number of hours you can realistically play in a day) and efficiency (how fast you can accrue currency) are both factors. Having "infinite" storage isn't necessarily the optimum way to acquire currency (currency/hour) since managing infinitely more items and infinitely more space decreases your efficiency by nature.

>>159843695
read up. there are arguments

but it cannot be "proven" either way, because there are no deterministic proofs on a game econ ruled by rng

it all comes down to anecdotal evidence, most or all of which points towards the game being p2w

Does no one pay this game for fun? Is that why no one can recommend a fun build?

>have 4 stash tabs
>constantly full
>buy 6 and currency
>have a lot more time playing instead of playing shitty tetris

really makes you think

>>159843942
>it all comes down to anecdotal evidence
In other words, you have no logical arguments, no proof, no mathematical basis to your claims. Only a victim complex.

>>159843916
>implying I don't have infinite efficiency

>>159843743
you sound like you've never had to store red maps or exalts on a mule because you ran out of space

this for 2 reasons:

1. you already bought tabs
2. you've never had any reasonable amount of currency

>>159843916

>never progressed past yellow maps

you should just have said so

>>159844003
>I will extrapolate general truths from my personal experience because I cannot possibly understand how better players are better without having paid for some imaginary advantage

Really makes those synapses fire.

>>159844179
Not an argument.

Yeah but guys. Fun builds.

>>159844312
CI BV PF

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>>159844312
early july

never 5get

>>159844336
I don't know what that meeaaanns

>>159844032
>no logical arguments

there have been plenty thrown around. that you cant find logic in them is in your detriment

>wants math proof

so you want me to come with a model that simulates, rng drops, dynamic player econ and playing styles/Efficienc to prove a game is p2w when anectodal evidence and the monetization model already does? and you claim I have no logical arguments

if ive a victim complex, youve a bad case of shilling complex

I made a lot of currency and did fine with 4 tabs for a couple of years. I bought 6 more tabs but all I use them for is hoarding shitty essences that I would be better off upgrading or selling.

>>159844241
>Not an argument.

of course it is

if you've never experienced soft progress caps designed to make you spend money youve no idea what the entire convo is about

poe isn't p2w because you can choose not to play it

checkmate

>>159844694
shoudlve been

>because uninstalling is free

>>159844471
I'm not asking you to model anything, simply to put forth logical arguments to back up your claims that extra stash tabs are p2w. If you're unable to do that, all you've done is cry and whine you can't compete with top players, which no one is really interested about. Take it with your therapist.

Anecdotal evidence is not proof in any way, shape or form. If that's all you have, then you're just a rambling idiot at the mercy of RNG, someone not smart enough to identify the patterns that lead to efficient and competitive gameplay.

>>159844694
poe is not p2w because I've won plenty (both in short races and temporary leagues) without having bought a single stash tab

>>159844892

what you dont realize is that the equilibrium point you seem so interested or believe doesnt exceed the default amount of stash is in itself an asymmetrical problem

and the only way to model them, even mentally, is via anecdotal evidence that comes from experience

leagues themselves affect it too, some (like talisman and the current one) are expressly designed to affect to greater or lesser extent, because the league gimmicks are themselves shit that you need to store

so if you reject all of that, you are the one who is rejecting logical arguments, because you ask for a kind of proof that you yourself admitted can't be produced

Is whispering ice still good? Planning to do an Ice Storm build. Witch, because reasons.

>>159845636
Yeah, but they're nerfing it to death in the next patch.

>>159845671
How do you know? And why would they do that?

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GUYS

i have movement speed issues

my quicksilver flask gets charges on crit and is still always empty

vaal flask has like 25% uptime

what are my options?

>>159845998
ms on boots + ms weapon swap
ms skills

>>159845893
Because GGG hates fun.

>>159845998
>vaal flask
i assume you mean haste

>>159845998
Use Flesh offering with that one Necromancer skill.
Use five quicksilver flasks.
Use that one passive that Witch Doctors get that gives +15% movement speed.

>>159845325
From my experience, you don't need more than 1 tab, let alone 2 or more to flip efficiently. We can do this all, anecdotal experience means absolutely nothing and has no weight in such an argument.

A single stash tab is 12*12 large, which means it can hold 6*6 = 36 4-slot helmets, or 6*4 = 24 6-slot chests or 6*3 = 18 8-slot 2-handers. You're implying the point of equilibrium is above twice those values, which means you're not flipping efficiently since you have to manage more than 36 to-be-flipped items at a time.

>leagues themselves affect it too, some (like talisman and the current one) are expressly designed to affect to greater or lesser extent, because the league gimmicks are themselves shit that you need to store
No, you never really need to store anything non-valuable, that's a sub-optimal decision you choose to make, and a tell tale sign why you equate more storage space with more currency/hour despite such a strategy being no more efficient than picking up low value currencies such as scraps and whetstones.

Looking at the market, there are fewer than 10 valuable essences: Contempt, Woe, Envy, the 4 corrupted ones, perhaps a couple more at best. This means less than (10-4)*3+4 slots taken in a 12*12 currency tab assuming you only pick up essences that are t5+, hardly an argument for another stash tab being required.

>>159846212
witch doctors wtf?

what is the necromancer skill?

>>159846091
what is the best ms weapon to swap to?

>>159846106
aww

>>159846362
> which means you're not flipping efficiently since you have to manage more than 36 to-be-flipped items at a time.

this is true only early on

with 4 stash tabs, later you either have to mule exalts or mule red maps/keys, and thats assuming you arent also selling more than a handful other items

>Looking at the market, there are fewer than 10 valuable essences: Contempt, Woe, Envy, the 4 corrupted ones, perhaps a couple more at best. This means less than (10-4)*3+4 slots taken in a 12*12 currency tab assuming you only pick up essences that are t5+, hardly an argument for another stash tab being required.

and this is only true once the league mechanics are established and you know for a fact what is and isnt going to be valuable to keep. of course you can just ignore league gimmicks until so, which is what many do. but it IS a factor

>>159845998
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Queen_of_the_forest
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Grace
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Silver_Flask
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Quicksilver_Flask
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Jade_Flask
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Phase_Run
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Nature's_Adrenaline

>>159846476
>what is the best ms weapon to swap to?

anything with high attack speed if you use movement skills with them, or with MS bonus if you use SC or just running

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>>159846670
im an energy shield occultist tho

I WANT TO ____ BEX
https://youtu.be/dSmPgLJtq8k

>>159846792
>crit quicksilver
>occultist

fuck off retard

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>>159846909
im using lion eye's fall gems to convert melee crit in templar area to bow

>>159846879

feed

she sounds fat

>>159846992
>occultist
>bow

the fuck is wrong with you

>>159846645
By the time you somehow ran out of space in a single tab dedicated to currency, you would have figured out what essences were valuable to store or not. Ignorance and a propensity to hoard worthless scraps like a pack rat are not valid arguments to support that GGG is somehow forcing you to buy more stash tabs every league. If you're whining you're running out of space to store your <t5 shitty essences, then you're a prime example of a player who doesn't understand the market, will never likely get rich, or be a top player. If anything, you're just supporting my theory than playing with 4 default tabs forces you to make intelligent decisions, while inflating your storage space encourages sub-optimal ones such as picking up and storing every single essence you come across.

>>159846879
cuddle with

>>159847165
its you like you missed that essences can be ignored until you know exactly their true worth

but then the valuable ones are in fact currency, and they will take space

also it seems you've missed the point of currency and currency aggregates taking up space faster than you can spend them when you are limited by 4 stash tabs

>>159846879
>its like they know people fap to her voice

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>>159847062
>mfw i have 5 curses on hit, 7k energy shield with 1s recharge start, and at least 80% penetration, can permafreeze tier 10 map bosses, and singlerightmouseclickkill tier 8 rare mobs

i'm literally playing this game for 1 month

git gud, think outside the box

>>159847391
Currency by nature is meant to be consumed, converted or traded. There is no such thing as someone storing 50 essences of Hysteria, just because. At most, valuable essences take up 3 slots (t5 to t7 essences of Woe). There are less than 5 of them, plus the corrupted ones which take up one slot. If you have some weird collection fetish and need to store one sample of every essence of ever tier, you might need an extra stash tab (or simply a mule), but that's just your sub-optimal decision-making and poor understanding of the game at play. For someone who pretends to be experienced, you don't make a very convincing case of why someone would need extra stash tabs for the current league gimmick.

>>159847607
>7k es

no wonder. are you using 2 doedres or something? kek

>>159847607
not to shit on your build, but building around permafreezing has been a pretty stupid idea for quite some time now that chance to avoid or outright immunity to status ailments are map mods

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>>159848030
permafreeze is mostly just a consequence of the high damage, a few node investment and the curses (temp chains, frostbite, etc)

status immunity doesn't bother me, hexproof is doable but cuts my clearspeed in half

again movement speed is my major issue

>>159847745

at late stages you consume currency by turning it into maps, chaos and vaal orbs for zana. stash space limits how much you can convert at all, and if you are mapping sustainably, you will need SOME space for sellables as well and it becomes increasingly hard to have enough room to sell this shit

THIS is the point where 4 stash tabs begin to not be enough. if youve never reached it, i suggest play more. or quit. thats the endgame. not shaper, but the hundreds and hundreds of maps and the currency involved around them to get the most out of them


notice how you spend 95% of your text talking about league gimmicks.

is this your first temp league? nearly every league since talisman has been like this. the gimmicks take SOME space, not a lot if you are smart about it, but always some. this was my point. dont clinch so hard on it

>unique onyx amulet drops
>Oh boy oh boy oh b
>carnage heart

>>159848287
Use Phase Run when backtracking and a qs for moving between packs, I've never heard of anyone lacking ms so much that a single qs is not enough to keep up with their clear speed

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>>159847607
>>159845998

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMmx_QPv8W0

>>159848287

a combination of quicksilver and blink arrow should be enough, with the vhaste to fill in gaps

if you are being left behind, swap to a movement setup for wb or sc but that should rarely be a problem unless you arent getting kills.

What's the most expensive item you own?

>>159848896
Aegis Aurora

>>159848896
6l maraket bow with cast speed for shitty caster build i was gonna do before i lost the will to play

>>159848896
holographic charizard

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>>159848896

>>159848896
Your sister

>>159849604
RMT

what are some maps

what's a hc shaper viable build

what is love

>>159802325
play elementalist and/or use PoF

>>159850023
EVOL backward

i got gore earthquake from the race event poeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYAIFMaL7VA
Nice game balance, GGG

>>159850339
>life
>getting hit

>>159850339
>offscreening Izaro
>when he can do that bombardment of green jizz

fucking noob
anyone else would've dodged that

>>159850339
shoulda gotten more mitigation :^)

>>159850471
Silly Slayer for rolling a life build, should have picked all the ES clusters that are abundant in the bottom left part of the tree xD

>>159850339
LMFAO

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>>159850339
>standing above the boss

oh my god

lmoa

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>>159850339
>standing still at the beginning of the fight
>using decoy totem even though the goddess can't be interacted with
>fucking poacher's mark on blasphemy

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>>159849668
Nah, earned them myself, but I do need to unload them, they're just sitting in my stash doing nothing.

love when keyboard warriors act tough when reviewing other people's rips

guess 6k life is glass cannon tier now

>>159850768
Do we get only Trump astroturfing now since Clinton doesn't have a reason to pay her people anymore?

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>>159848896

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>>159850908
ES is strong because you can go full retard and pick a single stat to max, Energy Shield.

Life requires multiple forms of mitigation just to be good while still being susceptible to one shots however he died to many small hits. A scrub way to die.

He didn't proc fortify, endurance charges, wasn't using a defensive Blasphemy and instead chose Poacher's for more damage, wasn't using a Rumi's which is the same price as Lion's Roar, and worst of all, didn't even touch a single use of his two (2) Life Flasks.

git gud

>dying in poe
kys

>>159850908
It is if you don't have another layer of defense and don't have split second reaction time on your health flasks.

I mean the guy doesn't even have Fortify.

That's it, I'm going to level a CI ED Scion!!!

That's it, I'm going to level a CI CWDT Marauder!!!

wanna level together?

That's it, I'm going to level a non-crit Spark Slayer!!!

no, you'll only slow me down

>implying I won't also slow myself down