/hsg/ - Hearthstone general

First for this game blows fat cock

>>159273360
>doesn't spawn 1/1 Healbots that heal a random friendly character for 1-4 health.
cmon

>>159273306
you are 100% right

>>159273529

Seconding this

Game could be so much more, but Team 5 seems to only love minion combat and curvestone

Outside of Freeze Mage, combo is outlawed, but attacking face with overstatted minions is super fine

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>>159273537
>trying actually make priest good
Anon, this is what Team 5 would give priest, not what they should give.

>>159273887
wrong
think again, read again

>>159273942
Does SV have actually any good art or is it just /h/ - Card Game?

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how unfortunate for rexxar

It looks like I have lethal :(((((((

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>>159274071
its mixed. There's some great monsters/demons/etc. in there.

>>159274195
>beefy minions a wincon in freeze mage

It's over. Blizzard won.

>>159274195
why are you running arcane giants retard

>>159274359
it's not even a freeze mage retard ahAHah

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>>159274071

Shadowverse has a mix of really great art and pedobait, just like HS has a mix of decent art but a shitload of godawful art

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>>159274060
to answer Emrakul WILL be targeted by the triggered (enter the battlefield) ability and so, it doesn't get protected from that.

>>159274230
I just can't get over how badly the cards (not art) are designed.
The border and numbers clash so hard with the art and the complete lack of card text while in card for looks ugly as fuck.
When summoned they should maybe be in that form, but not while in hand or shown like that.

>>159274394
It literally is. You're running the board freezes, Ice Block, and the Evolved Kobold spell damage combo. I dont' know what else the deck runs, but it's a Freeze Mage.

>>159274482
to put it better:"
Oblivion Ring as a spell does not target anything. All it does when it resolves is put itself onto the battlefield.

That action causes a triggered ability on Oblivion Ring to trigger. This triggered ability is not a spell. Therefore it can target Emrakul."

>>159274394
then why are you running ice lances and kobold

>>159274613
That sounds like a unintended and really really really idiotic technicality.

>>159274851
Welcome to Magic. The Judges test is Law Bar levels of bullshit hard.

>>159274851

It is intended, stuff like this is made to put powerlevel in check, just like the new emrakul has protection from instants but not from sorceries, so you can still interact with it

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Nth for meme decks

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>>159275007
>The Judges test is Law Bar levels of bullshit hard
a yes, I am truly in /hsg/

>>159275074
this

>>159275232
You a judge m9?

>>159275295
no but some are in my usual group

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Need a second opinion on this C'thun deck. It seems to be working quite well, but I'm only at rank 16 currently.

>>159275406
Give the practice test a try. I think you might be surprised by how tough it is. There's some crazy minutiae you have to know.

>>159275406
I'm gonna give you a swirlie u fuckin nerd

>>159275502
Dunno about the loot hoarders. Wouldn't Slam work instead?

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when was the exact moment you uninstalled the game anon

>>159275503
sounds interesting. I'm probably biased so you might end up right.

Why is golden priest so fucking shit? Like you can hardly see the animation

>>159275727
When there's a patch
because apparently I need fucking 1.8G of free space in addition to the 1.8G HS is using on my device just so it can fucking patch so I have to uninstall it to give it space for himself. fucking piece of shit devs.

>>159275794

I only have golden priest and holy shit does it suck, its animation is awful and the glowy orb is so low effort

Glad I got Tyrande before they tightened up the twitch prime stuff

>>159275502
If you're running Brann, you need a Thaurissan in there. The best value of him is the ability to play him alongside either Doomcaller or C'Thun himself.

Other anon is right, Slam makes more sense than Loot Hoarder most of the time.

I don't think you need so many late bombs, since you have a super powerful finisher. Definitely cut Ragnaros for some more responses to aggro decks. Revenge would be my suggestion, since it functions as both an Enrage activator early, and a 3 damage board clear late.

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>>159275934
For some reason on my friend's phone the game takes up a whooping 4,3 GB of space right after a fresh install and unpacking.

>>159276247
>indie game developer

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>>159276247
>meanwhile at Blizz

>non gold miracle rogue with legend cardback

is there an easier person to farm in this game?

>>159275502
That's a pretty low amount of Cthun buffers. You're gonna get screwed by that in some games. I'd put in at least another Cthun's chosen

>>159276351
Alt hero warriors with all gold cards, except the basic ones.

>>159276247
>>159276339

>H-hey guys, its hard coding Hearthstone, believe us... we took 6 months to fix Yogg overload bug....
>Hey, look at this bug, now winstreaks start at two wins
>DELET THIS, HOTFIXED IN LESS THAN ONE DAY

>>159276510
Remember when they accidentally gave Druid a new archetype by letting Poisoned Seeds function the way it's supposed to? I think it took them three days to kill that.

>>159276676
what? I think I was in a HS break at that time, what happened exactly?

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Should I dust Illidan?

>>159276826

explosive sheep poison seeds

>>159276826
There was a brief moment where the Explosive sheep trigger would go off after the 2/2's were dropped, the way it does with every other similar effect. This gave Druid's the ability to do a 6 mana board clear, and created a shortlived control variant that involved wiping the board and dropping free 7/8 taunts. It wasn't that great, but it was fun and new, and how the game would work if Hearthstone weren't hugely inconsistent.

>>159277042
>>159277040
fuck that does sound fun, and fair for the cost (2 cards, 6 mana).

>>159276826
>>159277040
>>159277042

I hate how stuff triggers whoever it wants in HS, effects shouldn't trigger mid-spells or battlecries, its so fucking dumb

Like a streamer I saw used ironforge portal dropping the 2/4 that freezes opponentes when you cast a spell

It shouldn't have triggered, but apperantly HS noodle code supports it

>>159277313
Actually that one's consistent. That card says After you cast a spell. The 2-drop version will also trigger Wild Pyromancer, but the 5-drop one doesn't trigger Summoning Stone, so they're all currently in line.

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>>159277313
That's incredible!

>>159276893
>dusting the violet teacher replacement

>>159277313
Here's something fun to do. Go here: http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Advanced_rulebook

And ctrl+F Exceptions

This game drives me fucking wild sometimes.

>>159277625
oh
my
god

>>159277405

I'm not saying its wrong, just dumb, since so much stuff in this game is counter intuitive

>>159277625

Well, reading that took some years of my life

>tfw you finally embrace cancer decks
Bittersweet familia

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>new season
>shaman's infesting ladder and make up over 50% of my matches
>be playing adventurer rogue but with sinister strikes teched in
>get a 10/6 adventurer and 8/8 edwin on board concealed against shaman's full board
>he can't play totems or 0 mana taunts
>bring him from 30 to 0 the turn after
>"a recent opponent would like to be your friend!"

Is there any better feeling in this game than shitting on auto pilot tier 1 decks?

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>>159273529
>>159273746

Why do people keep playing this over the superior alternatives like ES Legends, Shadowverse, Duelyst, Faeria, and hell Magic Duels?

I legit don't understand. It's not like the Warcraft brand is keeping you there, the lore/universe hardly fucking matters.

>>159277625
>Definition: The Dominant player is the player having PLAYER_ID value = 1. This is decided before, and is unrelated to who goes first/who has the coin.

>You destroy your opponent's Deathlord and put into play a Flesheating Ghoul. If the Deathlord was owned by the Dominant Player, the Flesheating Ghoul Queues and triggers in the Secondary Player's Queue of the Deathlord's Death Event, becoming a 3/3. If the Deathlord was owned by the Secondary Player, it is too late for the Flesheating Ghoul to Queue and trigger in any Queue and it remains a 2/3.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read, what the fuck

>>159278360
People are already invested in HS, and those games have their own issues. I've played all of them and they are pretty far from perfect.

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Fresh outta reddit

Its sad but this bingo will probably hit almost everything

>>159278360
I enjoy having a game with a ui that doesn't look like complete shit but other than that you're entirely right.

>>159278506
ES Legends is honestly complete shit to play from an aesthetic standpoint. Everything about it just feels fucking bland and dry even if the mechanics are better.

>>159278360

I've put too much time into it, each time I log in my hate for this games grows, but I cling to the hope of someone doing a coup on Ben Brode and arresting him for game design crimes and then a golden age of HS would be installed

>>159278410
There are literally like 8 examples here of how Dominant Player, and unknowable aspect of each game, can affect the outcome. What. The. Fuck.

>>159278741
I'm pretty decent at it but stopped playing one day out of disgust after losing 3 games in a row to enchantments in arena. Permanent enchantments are really strong in a limited format.

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>>159278040
>tfw your OCD compels you to try and counter them

>>159278792
this is why I just shifted to 'play ladder an hour to halfass to rank 20 for cardback, then log out aside form brawl.'

i figure eventually apathy will make me miss a season cardback then i can just shrug and full uninstall.

though I do kinda enjoy watching blizzards house of virtual cards gradually fall apart as their classic laziness cannot handle mobile gaming scam needs.

>>159275208
I haven't played in a year
Are those cards horse cocks to appeal to furries or something?

>>159278536
all of those will come true except:
>stealing cards
>4 man 7/7
>1 mana snowball 1/3
>mage spell generator

>>159279275
just tentacles to appeal tot he wacky lovecraftian tentacle thing.

>>159278971
That's similar as to why I stopped playing Shadowverse. I'm probably a shitter but every game I was losing to these huge OTK combos

>>159279217
>though I do kinda enjoy watching blizzards house of virtual cards gradually fall apart as their classic laziness cannot handle mobile gaming scam needs

This is literally the best part HS

I love seeing the community shit on their heads

When Ben Brode had to do a designer insights on purify in his house with a beat up face was the best

Karazham backlash from HS personalities was top tier too

>>159279275

Holy shit, cannot unsee

>>159279407
It would be better if they gave us good sets

>>159279407
except Kibler. He wouldn't criticize blizzard even if they gutted his dog in front of him.

>>159279217
>i figure eventually apathy will make me miss a season cardback then i can just shrug and full uninstall.

worked for me

Haven't played in 5 months

>>159279579
better yes but this is pure hubris failure which has it's own bitter sweet savoring.

Blizzard was handed a perfect golden egg without even trying, a perfect storm of ideal circumstances to benefit it, and it's failures are entirely their own classic laziness and inability to properly f2p scam.

>>159279782
He doesn't need to, he's the designer of several card games and HS is just a side gig which he is having fun with. Life is pretty sweet for him, there's no reason for him to be mad at Blizzard.

>>159279782
i've never seen a man gunning to be a shoelicker as much as Kibler.

>>159279579

We're talking about Team 5, so I discarded that option long ago

>>159279782

>During last weekend tournament he defended Yogg winning a match because he opponent should've played around it

I just can't defend that guy anymore, he is the living definition of a shill

>>159279936
Exactly my point. He doesn't need to be like Kripp and make revune from clickbait rant videos. He's a multi millionaire at this point. He's got an absurd amount of MTG earnings, a shitload of sponsors that alone. probably net him more than most people make in a year as well as twitch, youtube and game dev earnings.

>>159278360
I've been playing Elder Scrolls Legends since open beta (~3 months now) and still look forward to doing my dailies there. Pretty nice to have developers who listen to feedback and actually make use of the digital medium for a card game.

>>159280150
So since he's got so much he should be the chosen shieldbearer personal rant mouthpiece?

>Counterspell prevents Overload, which prevents Tunnel Troggs from triggering, but does not prevent Unbound Elementals from triggering.

>If your Weapon has less than 0 Attack (such as by using Gorehowl and Spiteful Smith) (still displayed as 0) and you cast Heroic Strike, your Hero will display 4 Attack, not 3. This means that the Weapon Attack and Hero Attack are calculated and added separately.

>Why current Mana can be negative

I'm starting to have fun now, actually.

>>159279936
he wants the prestige of being part of an iconic brand and knows he's gotta play a good little cog to do that.

>Trump was too much an autist to be a proper face.
>Kripp knows it's a ride it until it dies thing and used it to piggyback his own stuff so he dungiveafuck, it's just the shit part of his job he puts in.
>Reynad thinks he's smarter and playing everyone but he's just created a house of shit for money at the price of his sanity.


Kibler's the only one normal enough, and articulate enough at the same time as being a nerd to be a safe face man for HSc asting and he knows it.

>>159280396
No what I'm saying is that he has no reason to bite the hand that feeds him. Other streamers are bitching about team 5(rightfully) because HS viewership is their only source of income and right now the viewers want criticism of Blizzard.

>>159279936

>sidegig
>streams 5 hours every day
>time editing highlight vids
>traveling to cast

It's a good life but HS is def the breadwinner for him at the moment

>>159280440
>reading rules is more fun than playing hearthstone
really make you inquire

>>159279936
I kinda wish Kibler WAS a part of HS's dev team. The WoW TCG was fun

>>159280930

I think pretty much everything HS related is more fun than actually playing HS

>>159281212
It's because contemplating about misery is more fun than experiencing it.

>>159280930
There are so many pointless exceptions! There's an entire section called the Esoteric Rulebook! And none of it's official because Blizzard doesn't give a fuck. It's amazing.

>Cobalt Guardian and Murloc Tidecaller, despite having the wording 'Whenever you summon a minion', do not participate in the "Summon Resolution Step". Rather, they trigger just before the minion is summoned and enters play.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Any leaks about the new expansion yet? I remember spic sites leaking some cards last year

Why do we have to tolerate another month of shaman infestation in the ladder ? why don't they just nerf ithe fucking cancer right now ?

>>159281749

Man, remember when they were spoiling Karazham cards in that huge as fuck event and they spoiled purify and not even Fro 'Shillman' Dan could defend it?

>The interactions between Lord Jaraxxus and Secrets that trigger when your opponent plays a minion (Repentance, Snipe, Sacred Trial) are hard-coded to trigger on Lord Jaraxxus the Hero

I can not figure out why this happened

>>159281780
>another month
Shamans will be OP until the next standard rotation.

>But this only seems to be true for triggers like Acolyte of Pain and Floating Watcher/Mistress of Pain. For Knife Juggler, something completely different happens: If a Knife Juggler would trigger while it is in the middle of triggering, the new trigger is lost.

>Currently we do not know what rule distinguishes triggers like Knife Juggler from triggers like Acolyte of Pain.

Are you memorizing these /hsg/? They could come up at any time.

>>159281869

If you repentence a Jaraxxus your opponent will have 1 health

What annoys me the most is that people say battlecries happen before minions hit the board, which make stuff like this complete bullshit

>he doesn't play swashburglar
explain yourself

>>159282126
No, that's just it. They had to hard-code Jaraxxus so that it would effect him. That's how fucking stupid this is.

>>159281780
>another month
what?

>>159281749

a few pros at blizzcon were in navioots stream teasing cards yesterday

they said prepared to be disappointed with the reveal cards

>>159282205

>Sac pac still kills jaraxxus because flavor and STORIES

Team 5 wouldn't find a good design decision even if it was right in front of them

>>159282353
Anything of substance or just super vague shit?

>>159282353
>they said prepared to be disappointed with the reveal cards

I can't be disappointed if I already expected to be shit! Ahead of you Team 5!!!

>>159280838
>time editing highlight vids
His waifu does it.

>>159281000
>I kinda wish Kibler WAS a part of HS's dev team. The WoW TCG was fun
Same here.

How many cards are we getting? How many of them will be vanilla minion that fills in stat gaps? How many will be playable?

>>159280838
>implying he couldn't retire on his winnings and passive royalty income right now if he decided to stop buying cocaine by the bucketload

>>159282786
they'd not let him do a single idea that required an ounce of player thought for fear of scaring their few whales away.

>>159282191
By generating value outside of my deck, the goblin jew will refuse to be drawn.

>>159283004
Apparently Lifecoach was allowed to influence the latest set, so who knows

>>159282872

We will get like 120 cards, around 75 will be filler or worthless gimmicky cards and the rest will be pushed and non-interesting

>>159282872

the only thing that's guaranteed is it'll be between 130-150 cards

>>159283058

Again, stop with this meme

He was there for 1 fucking week, its impossible to find problems and solutions with 1 week of playtesting

Its impossible to see how the cards will handle with the expansion itself and interact with cards from older expansions, he can get a grasp out of it but in no way he can pinpoint a good direction

He is one man, he had no time and first and foremost, he is not a fucking game designer, the same way Reynad and Kripp wouldn't do shit to lead HS design in better way

>>159282205
Just some stupid shit Blizzard does.
Like The Mistcaller that doesn't actually do what it's supposed to do because actually affecting cards in the deck is too hard and requires someone to actually work, so it actually adds a trigger that gives the minions +1/+1 when you draw the card. Which in turn means if it gets summoned directly from the deck, it won't get the +1/+1 buff.

Aren't card games supposed to have rules and every card follow those same rules instead of exceptions that aren't mentioned anywhere?

>opponent misplays
>can't punish because the game has become retard proof

Can someone explain to me the meaning behind forsenE ?

>>159283058
letting them speak their concerns doesn't mean they have to acknowledge them in design. at 'best' the only unique advantage to HS is several of their whales are streamers so they can just outright ask them shit directly.

odds are Lifecoach discussed poker at somepoint and whatever point he actually meamt they heard 'make a poker style tourney' and thus we got heroic tavern brawl.

>>159283697
it signals that they're a 12 year old forsen sub

>>159283058

he offered to help with the next set, blizz realising they need good PR after purify accepted and he was able to pass on his thoughts

what really happened is that they took his thoughts and will do nothing with them, just like they did nothing before when they invited streamers/pros to help with sets in development

>>159283489
>Aren't card games supposed to have rules and every card follow those same rules instead of exceptions that aren't mentioned anywhere

This drives me nuts

I come from a MTG background and in MTG everything has set in stone rules. Of course some interactions are kinda obscure and hard to follow, but most of the time most players have a complete grasp what cards should do, but NOPE, NOPE IN HS. Here cards do whatever they want and exceptions are abound and you will only find them when they fuck you in the ass

>>159278360
Stop and look at a screenshot of those games
then look at a screenshot of hearthstone
and you will understand

>>159282363
the thing is jaraxxus has 15 hp so by the time you can play him you're practically expecting to get randomly instakilled
if they released "10 mana deal 15 damage" in the next expansion i wouldn't be the least bit surprised

>>159283489
what bothers me is that it's awful code too, in the fucking base mechanics of a fucking card game
theres no excuse for that, none whatsoever

>Definition: The Dominant player is the player having PLAYER_ID value = 1. This is decided before, and is unrelated to who goes first/who has the coin.
>You destroy your opponent's Deathlord and put into play a Flesheating Ghoul. If the Deathlord was owned by the Dominant Player, the Flesheating Ghoul Queues and triggers in the Secondary Player's Queue of the Deathlord's Death Event, becoming a 3/3. If the Deathlord was owned by the Secondary Player, it is too late for the Flesheating Ghoul to Queue and trigger in any Queue and it remains a 2/3

The game randomly decides at the start what player will have an advantage. So what's stopping them rigging the RNG as well. Oh, this player has a nice winstreak. Would be a shame if that Arcane Missile missed any vital target. Every single time in the game.

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Why is this allowed?

>>159280529
If he wanted a job at Blizzard he could have it. He's happy with what he does currently, he's not angling or gaming it. Blizzard is not the only teat available to him, just one that he enjoys.

>>159283974
>>159283985
because they didn't think that kind of effort would be required in a virtual card game (because we're blizzard) and now everything pays for that original sin oversight.

>>159284219

Free cards have been a bane in almost every card game ever, glad Team 5 got the memo and isn't putting one in almost every set they came up with

>>159284132
>If your Nat Pagle draws a Shifter Zerus, it will immediately transform. However, if one player has a Nat, the Darkfisher drawing a Shifter Zerus for the other person, it will only immediately transform if the Nat belongs to the Dominant Player.
Like, what the fuck Blizzard? Why even do this fucking shit? Why literally go out of your way to code this shit? You can't do this by accident.

>>159284476
isn't that balanced because the dominant player starts with 3 cards

>>159284476

Stuff like this makes me believe the "We took 6 months to fix a Yogg overload bug" because it just proves that they don't understand SHIT of what they are doing

What's a playable warlock meme deck, I need to play 50 class cards. Fuck these quest changes.

>>159284634
the only one on the staff who knows anything is Zeriyah and all she knows is how to stalk a man until he let's you fug him.

>>159284590
No it's not. Read the previous post.
The dominant player is the one with the ID of 1, not the one starting first. It's someone being chosen randomly at the start.
Also it still wouldn't make it okay to give a player a secret advantage by having some of his cards not follow the rules.

>>159284634
Pretty much. The more I read the more the spaghetti code meme makes sense. How can someone write this shit in 2014 or 15, whenever the game was made. Fuck, how can you write this shit after the age of goto ended?

>>159284817

>Pick brawl
>Choose one of the meme decks
>Profit

I did the "Enrage quest" in one game and less than 5 minutes

>>159284817
Just pick 10 good Warlock cards you have for brawl and do a few matches.

>>159284219
In case you're not just bitching and actually want to know the thought process:
>knight of the wild is shit, nobody plays it
>but we like the idea
>let's print a slightly better one
>oh and make sure to print it with the correct text this time
they forgot that the last part there completely invalidates all the experience from knight of the wild

>>159274482
when you play emrakul you win

Hearthstone is fun
When you can use various combinations of the full card pool. Tavern brawls where dust tier cards are useful and meta evolves rapidly into bizarre directions is the fun part of the game. That and people experimenting with random casual decks
Ladder is too boring and a constant grind of seeing the same decks and cards constantly

>>159278536
upvoted

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>>159286702
Feelsgoodman

>>159286702
Delet this

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>>159286702
>he posts this every thread
oh em gee, ell oh ell

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I've played two matches in this tavern brawl, and both times its people trying to do the murloc quest

>>159286702
>>159286976

There is a lot of people saying this expansion will not rotate Loe out since it doesn't come out in 2017

>>159287192
>There is a lot of people saying this expansion will not rotate Loe out since it doesn't come out in 2017
after the million posts about it here and the abundantly clear blog posts, graphics and even video blizzard made about it how are there people still confused?

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If blizzard introduced a tribe built entirely around discarding cards from both players decks, would they see play?
Would you play them?

They never would, but just imagine if they did in some bizarro universe.

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>>159287192
i know exactly when it's going to rotate. i only regret not dusting it sooner

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>>159273529

>draft 3 arena decks today
>not a single mage pick
>gives me the option to chose priest 3 times though

yeah never touching this game again unless the brawl is cool for any given week

>>159287358
they won't do shit that allows you to fuck with the opponents hands that way, because it will trigger their assumed snowflakes.

Did they allow the Blizzcon players to choose new or edited decks for round 2 or do they have to play their round 1 decks again?

>>159287605

they just released their new submitted decks yesterday

Maly is useless without thaurissan

>>159287358
probably not because I hate most tribal shit, it's a great way to make 10-20 cards all shit at once instead of making them individually shitty

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>>159288893

>>159288909

Blizzard should learn some stuff from MTG when it comes to tribal

Tribal is something that comes and goes in MTG, some sets have tribal matters sub-themes but most don't. The key is making cards that can stand alone most of the time and have one or two lord cards

Take for example Murlocs. Murlocs are shit aside from anyfin. They rely too much on synergies with each other (and most of them are in the classic set, they kinda dropped murloc support as the time went on). Some of this can also be said about pirates, gvg mech cards and some dragon cards

Tribal deckbuilding is too automatic in HS, the decks build themselves because blizzard intended that way, and thats not fun

>>159289538
one of the problems is that interesting synergies can't accumulate in standard since they'll often rotate out before seeing play

it's sad to think of all the interesting cards that have and will rotate out before ever seeing play

>>159288909
>>159289538

Also, something I forgot, ALL cards should have a tribe, orcs, elfs, humans. They don't need to have a direct and straight away interaction with it, but just having the tag opens so much design space in the future.

That and mechs, pirates and murlocs are so stupid... Why did them and only them received the merit of having tribes?

>>159289762

True, but just having interesting tribes can always lead to some cool decks in the future. Blizzard tries too much to push strategies instead of just putting something cool here and there so something cool could happen in future expansions

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>tfw Reno is your first pick in Arena

This is the most fun I've ever had in this stupid format

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>>159287569
Kripp pls

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There are people
In this very thread
Right now
That spam tavern all day
To win for no gain.

>>159290462
It's for the

S T O R I E S
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>>159290462
>get 40g quest
>reroll into 60g play 5 tavern brawls

I fucking hate 99% of tavern brawls.

anyone having trouble with NA servers or is it just me?

>>159284219
Because Metzen was still there
Fuck Thrall

>>159290462
At least it is fun unlike shaman climb

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Xth for cute waifus

>>159290462
>no gain
What about ___fun?___

>>159291726

It would be cool for him to spend time with his son for the next months.... so a competent person could lead HS development instead of him

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>zoo
>dead
>dragon warrior
>dead

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>>159292235
>freeze mage that low

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We ded again?

Man, imagine this in HS, it would be bonkers on miracle rogue

>>159292667
preordered the BGUW and BRUW. what about you anon?

>>159293165

Mah esper brother

I also pre-ordered Atraxa, though I wish I could get Breya too, will probably do so in the future

Now I'm looking forward to some sealed product matches with friends and then start brewing with counter shenanigans, may even go the helix pinnacle route for laughs

>>159293378
sounds like an excellent plan

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>>159293165
>>159293378

Oops

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>>159292497
it gets completely fucked by aggro, druid, and warrior

which reminds me, it's ridiculous just how cancerous freeze mage is
it actually works in cooperation with midrange shaman to break the meta, by completely oppressing the control decks that would otherwise keep shaman in check

>>159293672
that actually sounds like a normal RPS-style meta to me.
rock(the one everyone picks because it wins): midrange shaman
paper(the one people pick to counter rock): control decks
scissors(the counter to the counter): freeze mage

>>159293672
But Freeze Mage is the single best match up against Midrange Shaman.

>it's a you are winning so the game queues you into low win% classes episode

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>>159292667
commander? hell, most of the cards from standard would be way too good for HS

>>159294421
the problem is that the others follow the rules of normal gameplay and thus have normal matchup numbers
freeze doesn't
in your example, paper beats rock at 60% but scissors beats paper at 99%, which means paper isn't viable

>>159294561
the problem is that it has too many 1% (hope they fuck up) matchups to actually counter shaman, while at the same time creating those 1% matchups for decks that otherwise wouldn't have any and thus be successful counters

>>159295569
I'm happy that energy is working well in standard and limited. Its great, hope they'll use resource like that again after the set.

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>Have to fight urge to spend 4000 gold and 2600 dust until next expansion

Send help

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>>159295569

Capping HS mana at 10 is so boring, even though we have 10 drops in it they don't compare to the feeling of harcasting stuff like the eldrazi titans and pic related

>>159295867
We are getting announcements tomorrow, seeing preview cards might help the urge

>>159295867
you can spend all that gold now, but you won't get anything you want/need.

>>159295935
The thing is that even the 10 drops dont just end the game. Some come close to it or create situations that SHOULD results in a win (Yogg, N'Zoth, C'Thun are good for that).

The card you just posted are a good example or cray effect rewarding you from reaching that point. Game is absolutely over if you successfully cast them and opponent as no answer on the spot. And that's fine at that point.

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>when reno rotates out, slow warlock decks will never exist again

I am sad now.

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>>159273360

>>159296236
All we need is ONE good heal. Just one and we should be ok.

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>>159296123

For being the biggest drops in the game some of them still feel pretty lackluster, C'thun is pretty boring and can be removed so easily (aside from the fact that C'thun decks are so boring to build since its parasitic as fuck)

Ulamog the ceaseless hunger on the other hand is an awesome big drop for example for me, his attack trigger is something so unique and absurd, even though he will probably end the game before attacking twice

>>159296460
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they print a good neutral healing card again after their statement, specially since they have backpedaled almost everything they have done in the recent months

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>AQ expansion
>Outland expansion
>Northrend expansion with Death Knight class

What will we get tomorrow?

>>159296897
disappointment

>>159296897
What is the source of this?

To answer your question, I'm thinking pirates, ninjas, and some sort of new mechanic involving red mana crystals, whatever that means.

>>159297010
This, it's definitely a edgy cool pirates vs. ninja set

>>159296897
GvG reprint, celebratory Professor Bam for everybody. 7 mana 7/7 that summons two Bambots that explode when they die.

It's gonna be some bullshit where you don't spend mana on a turn you can bank it for other turns afterwards.

Probably wild west themed too or some shit

>>159296897
>Northrend expansion with Death Knight class

I want this meme to end, Team 5 can't even handle 9 classes, adding another would be the most retarded decision they could make

>playing mill rogue at rank 16
>malchzar alexstraza druid
>mill him out
>he drew a reno from the malch
>reno heals himself
>able to pull off the 12 damage double moonfire living roots bullshit and kos me
Haha
Its like I'm forced to play cancer shaman to rank 10 again because rogue never gets there.

>>159297520
Playing Dragon Rogue right now and it's working kinda ok. It's fun at least

>>159297631
Any deck list? I have the basic legendaries everyone has excluding the dragon gods.

>>159297749
I just sort of threw it together, but I can post if you want. It's basically a shitty Malygos build, but I'm in love with the fact that Shadowstep lets me get dragons back in my hand for the battlecries

>>159273360
can't wait to see how everyone will react to ninja tribe gimmick

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>>159298524

Weapons would be better if they were passive and only harmed others when the hero is being attacked.

>>159298826
That's super lame

>>159298524

why not make it one mana 3 charge?

>>159298959
No one would print a card like that

>>159298959
Why not make it three mana and attach it to an overcosted Bloodfen Raptor?

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>>159299024

don't suggest a shit card like that around me ever again

if you even hint at it being a class card i'll kick your ass

>>159298959
>>159299024
You depress me /hsg/.

Getting golden Magma Ragers from levelling up Shaman feels like a punishment, and I'm alright with that.

Is there going to be a Twitch stream for the expansion reveal?

>>159300148
very likely

>>159298524
2 mana 2/2 weapon with Enrage +1 Attack

There.

>>159300148

no, the announcement during the opening ceremony is free but the what's next panel requires a paywall stream

>>159283974
>Of course some interactions are kinda obscure and hard to follow, but most of the time most players have a complete grasp what cards should do
because the way miracle works is so obvious from the reminder text, right? kys you fucking retard, magic rules are all about the corner cases the same way hearthstone rules are all about the corner cases
i come from a MTG background, i pulled up and read the advanced rulebook the moment i saw the fire elemental -> mad scientist interaction, and the rules haven't confused me since. Just learn to play the fucking game.

>>159300361
You're a fucking idiot. The point is that Hearthstone cards are inconsistent. It's not that the rules are complicated, it's that the cards break the rules. The Advanced Rulebook isn't even official, it's basically a fan collection of all the bugs Blizzard refuses to fix. At least Magic is fucking consistent, while Hearthstone continues to let Ancient of War and Druid of the Claw work differently with exactly the same text.

>>159300450
I know Druid and Ancient have the same text but the reason Ive assumed they work differently is because Druid of the Claw has a transform effect on summon while Ancient of War doesn't.That being said,they need to reword Druid of the Claw

>>159300615
Every other Druid card says Transform. Only Druid of the Claw doesn't. This is the smallest of Hearthstone's errors.

>>159300450
Every hearthstone card is completely consistent. If you play it in the same way under the same circumstances, it will always lead to the same outcome. The fact that you're too lazy to get a grasp on the full complexity of the game rules doesn't make them invalid. If this were a magic thread people would be having the same arguments about unintuitive triggered abilities that are inconsistent with all other card designs etc etc, and you'd still be on the side of the shitters

>>159300725
This isn't even true.

>Definition: The Dominant player is the player having PLAYER_ID value = 1. This is decided before, and is unrelated to who goes first/who has the coin.

>You destroy your opponent's Deathlord and put into play a Flesheating Ghoul. If the Deathlord was owned by the Dominant Player, the Flesheating Ghoul Queues and triggers in the Secondary Player's Queue of the Deathlord's Death Event, becoming a 3/3. If the Deathlord was owned by the Secondary Player, it is too late for the Flesheating Ghoul to Queue and trigger in any Queue and it remains a 2/3.

It is impossible to know who the Dominant player is until you test an interaction, and that makes cards inconsistent in usage depending on the situation.

>>159300823
Boo fucking Hoo
Go play magic duels if you prefer it than HS

>>159301125
>the game is literally broken

>Boo fucking Hoo

I mean, if that's your response, there's not much I can do. But don't pretend that Hearthstone is consistent or well coded.

>>159301205
Find me 1 (one) fucking game that dont have bugs

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Is he our guy?

>>159301402
Find me 1 (one) card game with as many literal exceptions to its own rules as Hearthstone.

Just got back after an 8 month break
Just finished karazhan and got all the unlocks
I'm rank 25. Give me a current aggro or midrange decklist to get to rank 5 QUICK
No control decks I don't want 20 minute games until I'm vsing people who actually know how to play the game

>>159301487
Midrange Shaman. Look up any list, they're all tier 0.

>>159301402

All games have bugs, yes, but thats not HS problem, HS problem its it lack of consistency within its own rules

>>159301510
you just don't know what the rules are

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>>159301426
>playing against zoo
>plays malchezaar's imp
>soulfires face

I think this might be the most disgusting play in the game right now

>>159289218
>2017
>not having 12 AoE damage in hand

>>159301572
The rules are as described on the cards. There is no official rulebook from Blizzard. If cards don't do what they say they do or are inconsistent in their usage, that means the rules aren't consistent. The Advanced Rulebook has dozens of examples of this. You are fucking retarded.

>>159301696
k

>>159301572

Man, its like I'm talking to Brian Kibler

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>>159301487

>>159301781
>YOGGS NOT OVERPOWERD ITS EVERYTHING ELSE THATS UNDERPOWERED

>>159301487
go fuck yourself

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Ok, I'm fed up with this awful meta.
Is laddering in wild easier than standard? I will probably do my climb to 5 here this month because if I see just another green nigger I'm going to snap

>>159301995
It has two decks at the top instead of one, so yeah, it's better.

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>>159301426

>doomguard discards doomguard

>>159301923
Why

>>159301995
Zoo is still powerful in wild. Especially with a greedier list because no one is playing aggro.

>>159302214
Not him, but assuming you're going to play Midrange Shaman as suggested, you're contributing the the most cancerous meta in Hearthstone's history. It's worse than Huntertaker.

>>159302032
Secretardin and?

>>159302282
N'zoth.

Priest I think, but not sure.

>>159302269
Give me a different deck list then anon ~

>playing C'Thun Warrior
>Golden Monkey gives 4 C'Thuns

>>159302519
secret hunter is also good and fast.
But shaman will wrekt you

>>159303095
Face Hunter goes 50/50 with it.

>>159303136
but is worse against other matchups than secret.
Only 20% of all decks in game are MidRange Shaman

>Peter Whalen: the obvious counter-play to N’Zoth is just – kill the guy. If his plan is to play a 10 mana guy and get a bunch of minions that don’t have taunt, just kill him. That’s a reasonable plan.
These are the people who will be designing new 10 mana cards in the next expansion.

>>159303187
There's only one deck that is 99% good matchups and that's Midrange Shaman. If winning is what you want, that's what you gotta play.

>>159303217
In a world without Sludge Belcher, he's right. If you can't win against a guy who spent his turn 10 just playing beefy minions you deserve to lose. Do you see a good N'zoth deck in Standard?

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Turns out Karazhan has been Hearthstone's most successful period ever despite being an utter shit expansion.

How do they get away with this?

>>159303402
Everything they've ever done has been to draw in new and casual players, and they've been successful in that. We are not the target audience. They do not give a fuck about competitive players.

>>159303286
Nzoth Paladin has Tirion.

Wouldn't go so far as to call it 'good' but it's decent enough to win me a decent amount of games. Generally you win by default with the deck if you can play N'zoth before you get rushed down because of Tirion blocking all their minions.

Though I guess Paladin is the only class that has a good Taunt with Deathrattle these days.

>>159303483
The ubiquity of Hex ruins N'zoth Paladin. This meta is just really bad for N'zoth decks.

Prediction: Priest will get an absolutely broken 2 drop

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>>159303136
More than 50/50.

>>159303187
Eh, secret face is pretty good against the field too.

>>159303402
it's not the most successful, success means growth more than current revenue. and growth isn't great these days.
especially with the streaming and esports scenes struggling

>>159303620
>More than 50/50.
That's not what that chart says. It says Face Hunter wins 51% of all of its games. There's a chart up the thread that lays out the Midrange Shaman matchups and their respective win rates.

>>159303620
They did mention it in terms of growth actually.
> Blizzard's Hearthstone®: Heroes of Warcraft™ had record quarterly MAUsA [Monthly Active Users (MAUs)A], which grew a double-digit percentage year-over-year.

>>159303620
>freeze mage
>the only deck with stable wins vs current cancer
>tier 4

So either i got shit on by Shaman, or i try to counter him and lose to others?

>>159303814
Yes. This meta is garbage.

>>159303836
cool

>>159303581
True, we really need a good, neutral, efficient taunt minion with deathrattle for N'zoth decks to ever be competitive (mainly since having two of them in your deck minimizes how damaging transforming removal can be).

If they're so afraid of it being 'overpowered' like Sludge Belcher or something they can just give it a mediocre deathrattle but good stats for it's cost. Like a 5 mana 3/6 with Taunt and Deathrattle: Deal 2 damage to a random enemy minion or something.

Or an overstated minion with a negative deathrattle like a 4 mana 4/8 with taunt and Deathrattle: Summon a 3/3 minion for your opponent.

I know my balancing on the suggestions is probably completely off but that's not the point. The fact that they have Deathrattle and good stats for their cost would be enough for something like that to make N'zoth decks work better.

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>Blizzcon expansion announcement
>Coming in 1 month guys :^)
>Another season of Thrall's cock up my ass

Hope these faggots release the expansion right after Blizzcon.

I can't take another month of this retarded meta

>>159303897
The real issue is that Sludge Belcher isn't overpowered. There's no reason that Taunts should be this bad, and it unfairly gimps control.

>>159303938
I know that. Blizzard however don't seem to.

>>159303938
Sludge is OP. Deathrattle taunts are just too hard to get rid of.

Cards like Sludge make removal useless.

The only reason Sludge was OK in the past was because you had silence. Now there's no silence a card like Sludge would just turn everything into minion battle cause spells would be useless.

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>>159303909
>>159303924
>To better synchronise our Standard years with the calendar, the new expansion will instead be released in early January and will involve the rotation of LoE, BRM and TGT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>159304046
There's also no reason that an effect as unique as Silence should nerfed into the ground and never given new tools.

Blizzard is simplifying its game to death.

>>159304081
Deathrattle that spawns other minions is simply bullshit and I hope they stop printing cards like that.

When you remove a minion it should be fucking removed not leave over another 10 shitters

>>159303679
the chart was meant to show "good against the field"
and i wouldn't rely on this >>159301792 for anything, those freeze and priest rates are laughable.

>>159303814
Mostly yes (as usual, this is HS after all).
But there's much better options than freeze.
Secret face hunter, control warrior, control shamans, and reno mages can all go positive against mid shaman and playable against the rest.

>>159304186
>and i wouldn't rely on this
They literally use the same data, what the fuck are you on about?

>>159304081
But silence is a tool to nerf unique effects into the ground. The game is more interesting with it being a less readily available option. Same thing with BGH.

I can play a big Edwin Van Cleef or Ragnaros and not worry as much about a neutral 2 drop or 3 drop completely nullifying it.

>>159304245
VS charts use different sets, eg the one i posted is from rank 10 to legend
Most matchup charts in particular are just ridiculously misleading and sometimes completely detached from reality
eg that one shows shaman favored vs aggro freeze

>>159304271
This is the Timmyest shit I've heard all day.

Where are my leaks /hcg/?

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>>159304403
I can't wait to see the shit meme cards Priest will get

>>159304378
no this is the timmyest shit you've heard all day
>Peter Whalen [on Yshaarj]: There’s some possibilities for him. He was exciting in some tavern brawls, which is awesome, but there is definitely possibility for him to be amazing in constructed, in Standard, if the right circumstances happen.
>more importantly, Y’Shaarj appeals to a different type of player than some of the other ones. There’s a certain type of player that likes to play huge, awesome monsters and do great things with them, and it’s nice to be able to appeal to that kind of guy, with some of our card designs. I think Y’Shaarj actually hooks into that really well. He’s the huge guy. Lore-wise he’s the most physically imposing of the Old Gods, and we represented that here – he’s a 10/10, and also he gets another big huge minion [out]. So you know, you get a 10/10 and an 8/8 that shoots fireballs, and then the next turn you do that again.
>There’s a great dream there too, so even if he’s not seeing a tonne of constructed play right now, I think there’s a chance that he’ll see play in the future

>>159296362
>4 mana 7/7 for priest
It should summon 7 boom bots. Boom bots gain +5/+5 if the opponent is a shaman.

wew, /hsg/ seems a tad alive today

>>159304729
What's there to talk about? Its been Shamanstone for months

>>159304759
There was some good discussion of badly coded the game is.

Remember when we thought GvG was too random?
I miss GvG-level variance.
Fuck Yogg. Fuck portals. Fuck ONIK. It's like "what will people miss from GvG? Randomness, riiiiiiiiight?"

>>159304886
I literally remember my exact thoughts as GvG was being spoiled. When the first RNG cards came out, I was actually excited, since Naxx had completely eschewed them. Then they just kept coming, and I started to get nervous that it was too much.

If only I knew where Brode was ultimately leading us.

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>>159304886
>Created by Babbling Book

>>159303814

freeze doesn't even really counter shaman anyways

>>159304983
>Up against Tempo Mage
>Managed to get him to use all his face burn spells
>Naturally however, I'm on 9 health, but it's fine because I have the board and he has no burn spells left
>End my turn
>Pyroblast *Created by Babbling Book*

I fucking hate this god damn card so fucking much. No, I don't want mages to have even more ways to bypass my board and shit on my face. Fuck off stupid fucking book.

...so what time (GMT or European, fuck burger clocks) is the announcement?

>>159305102
All the numbers say you're wrong

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>>159305131
6.30am AEDT

>>159304886

>shredder is the most disgusting rng shit, you either get doomsayer or millhouse on it!
>fast foward 2 years
>barnes, yogg, created by x

>>159305131
6 hours and 20 minutes until opening ceremonies.
1 and a half hours later the Hearthstone segment starts.

Work it out for yourself faggot.

>>159304271

I think teching BGH again might be viable considering everyone is playing rag

>>159305143

what numbers

>>159305309
If you don't know you're too casual for me to care about

>>159304485
>there's a chance he'll see (constructed) play in the future

Was this guy high when he made this claim?

>>159305325

ok, then don't reply to me

Freeze doesn't even counter shaman anyways.

>>159305251

BGH is a good play again I think. I got Rend in a pack a few days ago and it's fucking great fun.

>>159305370
I think it could see play in the right Druid deck, I'm just not sure that they'll print the cards to make it real. Aviana into Y'Shaarj pretty much always turns your field into at least 20 damage, with more potential bonuses.

>>159305119
This game is about burning face down with spells and combos. Deal with it.

>>159305579
That's an interesting way of spelling undercosted value minions

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Hey guys, check it out, I got Priests legendary from the next expansion early!


This is such a cool card effect in MTG, seriously.

>Brawl ends in 2 days
How will we ever have fun with this game again?

>>159305640
>10 mana win the game
>in a card game with 0 [zero] disruption on the opponent's turn
Maybe priest might finally see some play?
Assuming he's not dead by turn 9

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I want Arthas as a Paladin Legendary.

So I made this.

>>159305309
>>159305409
if you need numbers for that, i have bad news for you
just play it or play against it a single time to see
freeze mage has always shit all over midrange and control decks
they fight from the board and their only real way to fight back is hit face with their minions, so many of the stall cards are tantamount to time walk
ie you can skip their turn again and again while you draw through your deck
all you have to do is not have the worst draws possible
the only cards that fuck you up are rag and bloodlust, and both can be played/tech'd around

if you can't play it properly, watch the pros do it
here's a typical game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_KU1F9T-E
for fun picture yourself in the shaman's position and think about what you could have done even if you could see the enemy's entire hand and deck

So if I ever want to play Wild, is Dr. Boom required?

Not that I'd want to play that Plebeian mode anyways, just asking for a friend

>>159305965
>Asking for a friend
Yeah sure, whatever you say anon
>Is Dr. Boom required in wild
For the vast majority of decks, yeah. There might be a couple of decks that don't run it but they probably aren't very good/are gimmick decks.

>>159305965
You can play Priest who's pretty good in Wild. Otherwise, you'll need the good doctor in your deck

>>159306036
Is Boom played in N'Zoth Priest?

>>159305965
Not really.
He's obviously a good-in-everything kind of card but not essential to any deck.
You better have nzoth though.

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Priest will be Tier 1 this expansion.

>>159306319
Then will go straight back to trash tier when they lose Entomb next year.

Can someone post a picture from yesterday? It was about two decks and the fastest way to get to legend.
Noted, they were Secret Face Hunter in standard, and Secret Paladin in wild. Would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

>>159306319
Then Hearthstone dies for real unless it's aggro priest

>>159306469
>not playing wild

>>159306520
I hate how stupid Nzoth is

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>>159306453

>>159306520
No one honestly cares about Wild

>>159306576
That's why Blizzard hasn't managed to completly ruin it yet

>>159306340
That's a bad OC. Slow clunky card that has potential to be annoying sometimes with wombocombo gimmick, does nothing to address class weaknesses and sits right in overcrowded 4 mana slot.

>>159306553
Much obliged, sir.

>>159305963

I only need to watch 1min of this game. I never said freeze doesn't beat shaman but it's not a counter. That shaman drew the slowest hand possible, if he had trogg or claws with magic totem he can kill the first doomsayer and the freeze mage won't be able to do shit. When you say "counter" I assume a winrate of 66%+

>>159306340
How exactly is the Paladin supposed to grant charge?

Divine Shield bonuses might have made more sense.

>>159306946
It is 66%+ with any good pilot.
Against non-bloodlust lists it probably tops 70%.