Swaaz General /swag/ (formerly known as Tree of Savior General

>>159196581
>12%
>50k
>"50k is a lot, guys!"
God, you are -REALLY- retarded.

SELL ME AN AIAS ALREADY

Hi! I'm LeCreme!

which guild is true /tosg/

File: everyday.jpg (76KB, 534x311px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 534x311px

Remember to repair at Barry's Non-Profit!
Non-profit is YOUR profit.

>>159197023
The ones that disbanded and quit already.

>>159196854
The only reason aias would be used now is to transfer the image onto one of the better shields. I still stand by aias being one of the most aesthetic shields in the game. If only kalkan shield didn't have the same sprite and aias was unique

>>159197074
>caring about 6k
>not supporting our own community
Please stop being poor.

>>159197074
>no attribute
>not max level possible
Nice try, "Barry".

What do heart pupils mean

>>159197286
they want the D. give them the D

>>159197150
>84 block
>164 crit resist
>in the age of fencers
You're going to have to try better than that. Aias is a perfectly fine choice for a shield if you have all of your mdef bases covered with it.

anyone tried the black eye lens? gray (light blue) it's a bit weird

if you have it, can you please share a pic of your character wearing it

why swaazz keep tryin to sell repair when he could sell weapon buffs?

File: gray eyes on right.jpg (38KB, 295x303px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 295x303px

>>159198050

>>159198331


kinda cute for her, but not sure if this will be great with my brunette. have any pics of the black lens?

>>159197425
Actually, heart pupils mean they already got the D

File: arrowtoknee.png (290KB, 320x394px) Image search: [Google]

290KB, 320x394px

>>159197159
thank you, the fking afk necros make 10X more than me
yet you all feel youre self-entitled to zero profit repairs for free from some normie who isnt even tosg and runs virtual machines to farm on his afk necros
soo sorry that 5k silver profit per transaction is soo important to you (you forget about the 50% tax)
fking assholes

>>159198521
and ofc they want it again. and again

>>159198050
nobody buys weapon buffs, i sold weapon buffs for over 6 months straight
anything squire-related i pretty much have down to a science
if you must know the reason mathmatically why weapon buffs arent worth it i can go further in detail
and yes i will exclude the fact that nobody buys them for the reason why its pointless

When is r9 going to release? I don't want to outlevel my character.

>Some people do not reply 'TY' after a mission

Why? Truly deplorable.

>>159199158
They've added these fucking crazy gatchas because they dont care about r9
It will never come
this cow is going to get milked until she keels over

>>159198903
They stack with transcendence and work in tbl. Everyone buys buffs now, kinte and taff and others sell out regularly.

Maybe people just don't buy your buffs or you didn't have them at 15

>>159198903

seriously? I get weapon buff every. single. hour. specially for tbl or missions

>>159199330
it seems you have zero knowledge of what youre talking about
shoot me a whisper ingame if u actually give a rats ass on why selling weapons buffs are pointless

hi i'm le~swaaz

>>159199252

Two power-level events with no future content in sight? Sasuga IMC

anyone have the video where a korean player shows future equipment and there is a 2h sword with a blue nightsky blade?

>>159198903
i get cute murmillo girls to polish my dildo all the time though

File: gray eyes on the left.jpg (70KB, 884x884px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 884x884px

>>159198331

That's not what they look like. I wanted these eyes, but I don't know why you guys try to misinfo what they look like.

>>159199525
They are trying to force everyone to endgame, at which point you need strong hat enchants and practonium weapons to be competitive.

>>159199419
I don't need to. You're claiming buffs don't sell, but buff sellers sell out regularly and most people actually care about them now and buy regularly because they scale great with transcend and 220 weapons or higher.

Whether it's pointless because of competition or low profit doesn't change the fact that they do sell and they sell a lot unlike what you claim.

File: screenshot_20161103_00002.jpg (227KB, 784x1014px) Image search: [Google]

227KB, 784x1014px

>>159196962
how do you do, fellow Creme?

File: Black Eye Lens.jpg (24KB, 147x258px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 147x258px

>>159198050
I've got you covered on the black eye lens

>>159199685
it seems to have zero interest in being proven wrong
have fun being ignorant by choice

>>159199728

thanks! your pic is small but at least I cat get how people see you without zoomy

how do you feel about those lens? they look like a not-shiny blue, definetely better than the default eye color and still got a special touch

File: whatbigeyesyouhave.png (3MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1920x1080px

>>159198050

>leveling, make a big pull for a quest
>some fuckass level 500 comes in and 1shots all my mobs
>spend the next 20 minutes looking for the 3 more guys i need to kill
thanks

>Swaaz General

Who and what the fuck is this faggotry?

File: skill not going off.webm (3MB, 594x630px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 594x630px

Ever wondered what playing Swordsman is like? Watch my skill bar, in particular my skill on S(Scutum Hit). It failed to go off every single time I was going to get a hit. Then I fired an Iron Hook and it took over 2 seconds to go off, after which it landed on nothing. Then the archer uses his auto-targetting Broadhead Arrow to kill me, which requires no aiming whatsoever, just facing the general direction of your target.

>>159200215
People keep giving the retard attention and since he never had any in his pathetic life he completely spazzes out now

File: Black Eye Lens2.jpg (27KB, 236x444px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 236x444px

>>159199990
yeah they aren't very flashy but I ended up liking they way they looked in tandem with my character's color scheme. I wanted something that didn't stand out too much but wasn't the default eye color either.

Took the liberty of taking another pic but with Zoomy.

File: three.png (186KB, 250x318px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 250x318px

>>159200308
t. threejane

File: dunnowhattotellyabra.jpg (1MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1920x1080px

>>159199638

>>159200297

That's literally high ping retard. It happens to all of us. Have fun playing on Klaipedo.

>>159200297
and its funny because if you dont win 100% of the time they like to blame your skills as the reason and not the fact the server is under constant desync
the sheer fact any non-cata is winning in any pvp at all is a miracle. but with 90% of the playerbase only playing auto-lockon classes they think we have it just as easy as them and like to >imply were shit

>>159200394

Oh.

I just realized the screen I use for /tosg/ has different colors. Never mind. Mah bad.

>>159200449
are you fucking retarded? ALL melee skills do this, just because you play some shit auto-lockon quest doesnt mean you have the right to an opinion in which you have zero knowledge about

>>159200297
>somehow not blocking broadhead arrows
Holy shit LP get some fucking CON.

File: yellowredorange.png (931KB, 1330x665px) Image search: [Google]

931KB, 1330x665px

Other color references for people who need them.

What critical rate should I aim for as a non-Hoplite? I so far have about 610 with two Sissels and a Max Peta and a few green gems.

File: soon.jpg (16KB, 400x108px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 400x108px

>>159196548
Ey familia. I made a little "something" for you. Unpack this file https://a.pomf.cat/yqbtqn.rar in your main tos installation directory and overwrite everything. And then go to klaipedo town. Seriously. Do it.
You can thank me later.
t. retard

File: 59743122_p0.png (320KB, 500x750px) Image search: [Google]

320KB, 500x750px

>>159200449
See
>>159200490
Every time I successfuly Iron Hook a Cataphract is a major victory, considering you have to aim like two seconds ahead of their trajectory and they can cross the entire arena in less than two seconds. It's like taking a shot in the dark.

>>159200630
Sometimes I hear Quarrel Shooters complaining about how Stone Shot never hits anything in PvP and it really makes me wonder how that could be possible.

>>159200490
Yeah this is a large part of why PvP is garbage, a lot of stuff "should" counter other things in theory but when a Cata charges at you at sonic speed and is hitting you from a location you can't even locate because he's constantly moving or you get teleported back out of range for no real reason it's really bullshit.

Chap is borderline unplayable in PvP for dealing damage because you can only use melee basic attacks which you can never land on bunny hopping wizards/clerics that you could actually hope to hit.

>>159200630
>>159200821
retard

>>159200018
So that's why they made the characters look soulless in the first place. To fix it using tp eyes. That Kim is pretty good.

>>159200297
I bet swaaz wouldnt have died to this
Your build is fucking shit

File: 1471391109560.png (137KB, 513x323px) Image search: [Google]

137KB, 513x323px

Anyone who makes ANY excuses for losing in PvP is a shitter

>>159200821
you seriously need to grow the fuck up

just because you have some gimmick skill which is ALSO considered an auto lockon skill does NOT mean you are right in the argument when its FACT that all melee attacks desync constantly and dont register AT ALL

File: 1477971917291.jpg (388KB, 840x1074px) Image search: [Google]

388KB, 840x1074px

>>159200763
I evade it 80%++ of the time, but this particular time it hit me, which was perfect because it happened right after all this bullshit.

>>159200828
>BunnyHopping Wizards
They should make jumping cost STA in PvP, and a lot, so people would stop doing this.

>>159200297

happens to me only when I'm lagging.
to be honest, wizards suffers way more with this

>>159200352

I loved it. thanks, anon! as soon as I get my Kim free 5 tp I'll buy it.

>>159201020

Roll highlander. There's an attribute for a skill that disables jumping.

>>159200773

I don't know if all lenses do it, and this picture obscures it. But shiny lenses make you blush too.

File: 1471336829750.png (561KB, 530x750px) Image search: [Google]

561KB, 530x750px

>>159201105
I know, but if I could land Skull Swing I would much rather use a skill that kills instead.

>>159201162
nah. not all

File: fgbsgb.png (218KB, 259x328px) Image search: [Google]

218KB, 259x328px

>>159201105
>all melee skills desync and dont register
>its easy anon, just roll highlander and use a melee skill which disables jump
>rolls highlander, uses skill. it desyncs. nothing happens, nothing registers
>its easy anon, just get ironhook and predict where they will be in 2 seconds from the guaranteed server desync
>rolls corsair, loses out of a DPS rank, just to compensate for the shitty servers
>anon you dont need corsair, wtf are you doing? just roll cata. like really? why the fuck are you trying to pvp on anything but a cata?
>game is designed with 80+ classes, but all melee classes must take cata in order to compensate for the server desyncs which happen ONLY to melee classes due to every other class having auto lockon skills
>wow anon you are such shit look at you losing in pvp, like wow all i need to do is press a button for broad arrow and i win everytime. how the fuck do you keep missing retard? the enemy is right in front of you (said by the person who has never played melee in TBL but feels the need to have an opinion on the matter)
why the fuck is everyone soo god damn retarded and feeling like they have the right to an opinion on something they personally have never tried?
100% of all pvp matches as melee WILL DESYNC ATLEAST ONCE IF NOT MULTIPLE TIMES and just becayse your class DOES NOT REQUIRE AIMING does NOT mean you can >imply we are shit when in reality its the clients fault

>>159201620
Wizards desynch and bug all the time
Stop being a whiny bitch my man

The game is shit and IMC is shit
if you can't adapt to it then why even play and whine like a bitch?

>>159197023
Clover

What's the use of treasure chest keys?

I'm so fucking sick of full dex catas hitting through my 1k block like it's nothing regardless of what skill they are using. Removing 2h spear penetration attribute and adding it as bonus block pen vs. targets effected by some new debuff attached to one of their current skills would go a long way to making them less bullshit.

>>159201620
>I'm retarded
>I need a class that can beat ANYONE
>all in ONE CLASS AND CIRCLE
>ANYONE
>I can't lose to ANYONE
>I want a class that can OHKO and STUNLOCK
>I WANT BE OVERPOWERED

kys

File: pddebuff.jpg (389KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

389KB, 1000x1000px

>>159201841
F

>>159201976
he just has to make a cleric to get all that

This is desync
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi8MCLZ7ORc

>>159201972
1k block is next to nothing senpai

>>159202042
exactly

you don't even need R8 to be in top 10 as cleric

Literally

>Cleric C2 > Diev C3

there, rank 5

join the 5v5 and ur team will always win

this game's pvp is a fucking joke

File: 20161103012410_1.jpg (131KB, 480x992px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 480x992px

>>159202173
>Cleric3 Priest 2 Oracle Kabbalist 2
>have literally zero attacks
>still top 5 ranking
really really makes you think

File: 1477798243248.jpg (52KB, 422x700px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 422x700px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sitGg80vVaw

Please watch the first round of this video, you'll understand desync, bunny hopping, and rubberbanding perfectly. If you can't be bothered, jump to:

>2:45
>3:21
>3:47
>4:20

Another video I uploaded just now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFnNqGv1hnY

>>159202416

Why are you being retarded though? Everyone knows the PvP is a joke in this game. We've known this since iCBT1.

File: blushing.png (117KB, 1116x1044px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 1116x1044px

>>159201405

Picture related.

>>159202416
>>159200297
>"wahhh look at me my internet is shit wahhh"
fuck off lolipedro

>>159201759
their skills are auto lockon, stop bitching
nobody gives a fuck if you desync but yet all your casted skills still register moron

when is Swaaz joining Crimson?

File: only dreams now.png (638KB, 1014x985px) Image search: [Google]

638KB, 1014x985px

>>159202465
PvP is everything this game has. Unless you can argue that Saalus, Uphill, Earth Tower, and themepark questhubbing, which nobody in their right minds would agree to. Please name any single PvE feature in this game that is fun and not repetitive or set up as a chore that makes you hostage to daily duties.

File: 1465237898467.png (42KB, 345x263px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 345x263px

>>159202629
Never. He is making /Bullies/ soon!

>>159202629
What does his single character bring to GvG or boss hunting

>>159200809
retard

>>159201972
uhmm.... as full con autism squire3 i literally have no problem with cata's
during their gay ass spear animation i just press C and block everything
even if they chain stun me, it only does literally less than 10% of my total HP
maybe not roll a glass cannon?

>>159202763
>Crimson
>boss hunting

you are right about GvG though.

>>159202763
>What does his single character bring to boss hunting
incoming pasta about base camp 10

>>159200809
HOLY SHIT

File: 1463987869225.png (996KB, 800x900px) Image search: [Google]

996KB, 800x900px

>>159202726
You're retarded. If that's all that keeps you in, you truly are retarded. There's much better games out there that actually take skill, yet you decide to focus on a broken Korean MMO to "test your skills" in?

How stupid are you? You literally wait for welfare weapons every patch in hops you can make a wizard deal 1's or physical DPS to deal 1's so you can cheese fucking wins? Where's the skill in that?

>>159202364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3ODuSnKBDM
:^)

>>159200809
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?

>>159202592
this happens to everyone retard, its not related to your internet connection
source - $2,000 custom pc (not prebuilt faggot) + 100up/100down internet connection ON EAST COAST

File: FP.webm (2MB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 640x480px

>>159202808
can easily reach 550k+ HP with buffs from guild, meanwhile you cast frost cloud then get 1 hit and think youre doing something

>>159203278
CAN ANYBODY STOP HIM?

>>159202837
>needing to shitpost about a skill from a class nobody likes
>actually trying to misinform and imply its nothing but shitposting
>basecamp gives 3X duration to all buffs and 2X duration to all debuffs. 100% upkeep of glass mole
>anything but shit
>wow retard why arent you a fletcher kys yourself youre useless stop trying to say basecamp is useful

File: 1465967409994.png (146KB, 660x661px) Image search: [Google]

146KB, 660x661px

>>159202887
I like MMOs, I like high-skill PvP mechanics, and I like extensive preparation periods. I came from an RO pserver where I had 3 weapon sets, two complete accessory sets and 5 different complete armors sets to swap from. The mechanics from this game are endlessly shallow compared to Ragnarok. The idea that an item can be BiS in every single situation is 100% babby mode and mind boggling for me.

While ToS doesn't suit my taste for complexity, the control scheme, variety, and armchair theorycrafting really hooked me in. I love PvPing in this game, even with all the bullshit going against me. It just upsets me 90% of my effort goes towards struggling and compensating for the game's awful netcode, and only 10% in reading my opponent's next move.

>>159202850
>>159202983
paranoid tinfoil hat here, what does this do?
pls respond

>>159200809
welp, there goes the game. We had a good run, folks. Who else coming to watch the shitstorm that's going to unfold in the forums once this spreads?

>>159203570
Just do it, you cunt.

>>159200809
WHAT IS IT

>>159203547
what have you accomplished in other games

>>159203808
Do.
It.

>>159202629
id consider crimson, if taff didnt fund crimsons ET runs 6 months ago for free just to kissass and become a member of crimson months later.

>>159202629
rance, swaaz and one secret member of ohayou are getting ready to make bullies

t. insider

File: Crlgh9dUAAER0UE.jpg large.jpg (116KB, 700x799px) Image search: [Google]

116KB, 700x799px

>>159203830
The only thing I ever achievement in other games was wasting 9 years of my life playing a private server. It was a really fucking good private server, though.

I always avoided the meta classes like the plague. Playing underpowered classes is so much more exciting.

>>159203736
>>159203852
either tell us or keep shitposting

File: 1460881186472.png (274KB, 700x995px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 700x995px

>Rumors of Practorium comming from WB or Library are still a thing
When people will accept IMC made only 1 free source of Practorium in the Mystical Cube form and for all your Practorium needs you either have to chore levelling alts for the sole purpose of getting the RNG box or buy dozens of P2W Gatchas
Enough people did Library and new WBs already and yet not a single screen, fake or not, can be found around.

>>159200809
I ain't touching that.

>>159203547
I legitimately feel bad for you.

I have been a hardcore PvPer for the last decade, playing with my elitist PvP guild from game to game and dealing with the most intense situations you could imagine. Now I'm here, past my prime and just having fun on this shitty carebear game, and I see someone like you who has the right mentality and the right spirit but you're wasting it on probably the one MMO with the worst PvP you could ask for right now.

I really just don't get it. You love PvP, why do you subject yourself to this shit? There are so many better games where you can min max with different item sets, different builds, and with fast paced, intense, polished MMO combat. RvR, Open world PK, 24/7 arenas, battlegrounds, or even 3 way faction sieges like in DaoC. Games where PvP means something, where your accomplishments get you somewhere, where PvPing leads to real rewards, progression, fame.

Why are you here Lolipan?

File: 1474522112866.jpg (37KB, 500x478px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 500x478px

>>159203973
>one secret member of ohayou
Murbish?

How are your panda points coing along, anon?

>>159204285
could be a ktos only thing atm, they have nice things yknow

>>159203547
>>159204116
>>159204436
Well as expected of him he has no experience with what you're describing.

>>159204436
Are you me? I'm an old washed up PVPlord doing the exact same, enjoying retirement after 12 years of guild leadership. I don't think the PVP is all that bad in this game, though.

>>159204285
At this point I believe it.

At least it's prohibitively expensive to outright buy a practonium, only 5% of boxes are S tier and it's like 10 for $8 or something. That means $16 on average for one S tier box, which has non practonium items in it as well. Pretty similar to trying to buy move speed hats, it won't be a huge deal since you'd be blowing $60+ a pop.

>>159204525
There are no proofs of this from kToS neither

>>159204549
Wow maybe, I was the guild leader too. Yeah I agree, the PvP isn't that bad really, because it's a lot of fun. It's just not polished, balanced, and it's a mechanical disaster. The PvP doesn't have any purpose beyond daily points, it's really just a minigame.

>>159204517
Spent it all on gem abrasives.

>>159204234
tl;dr free gacha

>>159204285

When rank 8 was first added and no one knew where to get Practonium from, there was a video of a Korean showing people how to get it.

He had 2 practonium and claimed the other came from 315 dungeon.

Chances are, IMC just didn't initially add it to the cubes drop list and we'll get it later. There is a lot of stuff in the game right now that doesn't drop but will at a later date.

Save your boxes. Wait until the red 315 gear is actually added then try open them.

Which item do I need to take blessed gems out of a weapon, so that I keep the weapon.

File: rip.png (294KB, 349x343px) Image search: [Google]

294KB, 349x343px

autism squire here
/bullies/ would of happened months ago if i didnt need to be an irl squire and work for the weekly rent money
also i dont live with my mommy so i have little time to do anything but que for dailies + shitpost while im at work
although this games community (not tosg specifically) is honestly one of the most anti-social communities ive ever played with, it would be nothing but a challenge to herd all you sheeple to victory.
if most people are more anti social than ME then you know theres a problem
love you all

>>159204735
to take gems out of the weapon to keep the weapon is a spell rod, your gems WILL be destroyed but your weapon is safe

a hammer of disenchantment will destroy the weapon but give you most of the gems back based on the potential of the weapon

>>159200809
oh you little fucker

>>159204667
yeah those reasons are why it's a lot of fun so shitters like swaaz can believe that they're good at this game

>>159204850
t. threejane

File: 1476062958336.png (93KB, 425x247px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 425x247px

>>159204792
Bullies soon!

>>159204910
i don't even know who that is
swaaz is like a new retarded honeybingo

>>159204815
Thanks lad, thought it was that way just didn't want to fuck it up because
>IMC
And they haven't labelled shit right or something

>>159205005
double check the descriptions and what the NPC says though of course

>>159204972
>swaaz wins pvp
haha retard youre shit you only win cus this game is broken
>swaaz loses pvp
haha youre soo fucking shit you suck
this is why hes a meme, because of all you triggered fucks getting rekt because of your glass cannon build and he went full con just to prove a point

red or yellow gems for a Fencer?

File: 1469125318768.jpg (64KB, 438x408px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 438x408px

How long until silver disappears from the ground?

Or dropped items?

>>159204703
I don't believe this

>>159205124
swaaz you are saying shit people should know since cbt

File: you're not laughing now.jpg (26KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 480x360px

>>159205362

I remember people laughing at me when I said the game would have beta in 2015 and be released in 2016.
I remember people laughing at me when I told them late game you need con, and lots of it.
I remember people laughing at me when I said rank 8 is fucking brutal and you can't solo that shit.

I'm sure there is a bunch more inbetween I forgot about.

People should seriously just listen to me.

>>159205704
>I literally regurgitated what koreans told me
>please praise me

fuck off retard

>>159205704
t. swaazpan

or loliwaaz

>>159205704
Senaposter doesn't count.
He's wrong about everything.

File: THEY'RE USELESS AGAIN R9 YOU'LL SEE.jpg (542KB, 700x1005px) Image search: [Google]

542KB, 700x1005px

>>159205794
NICE TRY """""HAHA-MAN"""""

File: Soon.jpg (6KB, 456x32px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 456x32px

>tfw considering not getting a token when this one day die
I am going to free myself soon, hopefully someone of the people i care will follow me

>>159205886
>filename
Of course they will
IMC has to keep making people reroll
Only Clerics will never have to mass reroll for meta flipping

File: memes.jpg (937KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

937KB, 1920x1080px

>>159205704
you remember when people said everything about this game is awful and will go nowhere

>>159206096
Everytime this pic gets posted i always immediately look at how great the centurion costume is and immediately get sad.

>>159206049
>Only Clerics will never have to mass reroll for meta flipping
they have to reroll into other newOP clerics tho

File: Effigy 15.jpg (109KB, 365x495px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 365x495px

>>159205704
>I said rank 8 is fucking brutal and you can't solo that shit.
>be cleric
>solo everything
>friends beg you to carry them through bosses
ehh

>>159206096

Back before we had generals, I remember shit posting about this game all the time over on /v/.

All those threads hyping up the game saying it'd have cool stuff, and it'd be the best MMO ever and people would love it and IMC are amazing developers who love the game? All me.

>>159206096
wheres the icbt1 picture? that really brings back memories....
my name was feminism

>>159206250

You don't count. Clerics aren't even real people.

>>159206250
uhm.... i solo'd all r8 content including zima...
as a squire3....
just because youre some full dex archer glass cannon doesnt mean you can be racist and say people who actually have con cant do content without having their hand held

>>159205704
>>159206410
but you just said you couldnt solo it???

>>159206467
that wasnt me

>>159206410
I soloed it as a full dex doppel???

File: 1411015572356.png (498KB, 642x649px) Image search: [Google]

498KB, 642x649px

>>159206524
then who is it?

>That feel when Enchant Fire Scrolls sell like crazy

I feel like a scam artist. 4k silver for a minute long buff that does nothing but add a damage line when damage lines are useless due to everything having a billion fucking hp anyway.

But I wont stop.

R9 will either be rly hard or rly easy or rly medium.
things will be better or same or worse

SCREENCAP THIS! AND POST IT IN A FEW MONTHS! I TOLD YOU SO!

Nice alemeth grind, see you around

>>159206410
I'm a Cleric, full DEX archers can't solo anything retard

>>159206606

Rank 9 wont happen. The game will be shut down before then.

>>159206410
Get a clue

>>159206606
it'll probably be really easy since everyone will be job 15 the instant r9 comes out

why the hell was the difference between r7 and r8 so small anyway?

>>159206738
err why was the difference between r8 and r9 so small*, r7 and r8 took me like a week of grinding

>>159206601
>he didnt use his fire scrolls in front of lv11 base camp
>he didnt use dumplings in front of lv11 base camp
>haha why is squire such shit xdxdxd

>>159206705
Liar

>>159206787

Even if you increase the duration, it's still a useless buff by like rank 5.

>>159206856
heres your rank 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhHrWkw76to

>>159206787
retard

>>159206784
>>159206738
max R8 was at ~314. not X24 like Ranks at 224 and 124
max R8 at ~324 and lvl cap 330 would make a lot more sense.

i guess they screwd up R8 class exp.

>>159206948
Get a clue

>>159206538
you would get 1 hit from any r8 mage mob, nice try shitposter

>>159207049
retard

>>159206538
unless you got to the bottom of Tehravian Cave by yourself, you didn't solo it, you probably just got to job 15 and called it a day

>>159201972

that 2handed spear pen attribute was really a bad decision, but it is needed. seriosuly, dealing with block as a non-cata sword is so frustration, rng block is a joke and should be removed (in favor of a better def for shields).

and rush+restrain nerfed.

>>159207275
take pelt1 and u can beat catas retard

>>159201972
Maybe you're talking about lancers
They have a specific skill to lower your blockrate to shitty values when attacking

It's a fucking r8 skill

>>159207329

I shit on catas my friend. dust devil breaks rush, I parry dethrone and virtov robe tanks it in case they pass my 2.2k block

my main concern is the fucking 50k wiz/cleric with aias and roxona pants with green gems

why are you people complaining about bad pvp in a broken game

>>159196548
>no APOLOGIZE in the OP
Missed opportunity

>>159206601

enchant fire speeds up lots of "objectives", nerd

>>159207741

>Paying 4k just to kill that stack of furniture or that statue a bit faster

I'm not complaining. Keep paying me for this!

>>159207814

check 315 fantasy library anon

File: bored.jpg (72KB, 380x816px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 380x816px

Are there any better places where I can do this in? I don't play on Klaipedia if you're worried.

>>159207526
>green gems
As a 50k HP cleric, I'm really not sure I'd buy into crit res gems. It's 21 crit res or 1000 HP per gem, crit res is nice but that little crit res isn't that nice.

File: crying.jpg (43KB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 500x281px

>>159207841

I will. When my build isn't shit anymore.

File: bonk.png (391KB, 374x486px) Image search: [Google]

391KB, 374x486px

swaaz: pay attention to the poster count, you scrub.

>>159207898

it's a gear switch thing

if enemy team is heavy on magic or mixed damage, sure, keep the +flat hp (shield and armors) since that helps on any situation

but if you see (spectate window) a physical dps menace like a good musket 2, dethroners and shit, having a roxona plate legs with 2x lv 5 green gems and an aias is nice

even better on 2x2.

What is the crit formula?

Get your racism out of here, 3j.

>>159208063
when will finally neck yourself and leave?

File: 1472183882390.png (111KB, 600x476px) Image search: [Google]

111KB, 600x476px

Defend this game

File: (You).gif (415KB, 480x238px) Image search: [Google]

415KB, 480x238px

>>159208320

File: 1453407535718.gif (302KB, 294x266px) Image search: [Google]

302KB, 294x266px

>>159206705
but they already announced on the kim blog that r9 before this year ends
also, Cubs won just baseball so anything can happen now, including, say it with me, president TRUMP

File: 1474012140674.jpg (65KB, 523x814px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 523x814px

>>159208365
This post smell like a certain deliciously cute Priest that loves Hamster.

regarding r9, really. I can see that the new trend for this game will be ranks up every 3 months to keep the game interesting, like a big patch on mob that buff/kill meta treats

and this can be a fun ride that will make the game survive another year if they do this right

File: 1456280856292.jpg (3KB, 120x120px) Image search: [Google]

3KB, 120x120px

>>159208320

File: clover.png (191KB, 243x325px) Image search: [Google]

191KB, 243x325px

>played since day 1 with a dream to be a pelt/squire/centurion
>murmillo comes out, now if i take r3 murmillo, i cant be a centurion
>what is life

>>159208365

Link.

File: peltastabutt.jpg (105KB, 849x1035px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 849x1035px

>>159208320

>>159208517

murm c3 will be trash

but centurion may come as templar c4

File: 25goldenanvilswasted.png (615KB, 806x816px) Image search: [Google]

615KB, 806x816px

>>159203886
FUCK THIS SHIT! WORSE THAN MY S.CORONA ROD!

>>159208601

>YFW Centurion is a hidden class that requires Templar C3

The tears would be delicious but it makes perfect sense.

>>159208601
god damnit now i actually have to make /bullies/
>>159208505
stop saving my pictures with the same filename

>>159208676
Unfortunately it would also mean that absolutely everyone who is a templar needs to spend the 10th rank on Centurion or they are trash.

File: 58750009_p0.png (435KB, 902x1030px) Image search: [Google]

435KB, 902x1030px

>>159208517
Seriously, what else could they give Murmill to make it better? It' perfect at what it promises already. It was made to be the Arena destroyer, so the only things they could come up with would be some sort of binding move or more Casis Crista attributes, perhaps making the user immune to Lv1 debuffs or something?

File: His Smile And Optimism Gone.png (177KB, 258x334px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 258x334px

>>159208676
>mfw this is my theory since they took centurion out and put templar in rank7
>mfw really wanna be Centurion
>mfw don't have friends to make a guild work or the skills to be a master

File: 1447926782516.png (284KB, 524x431px) Image search: [Google]

284KB, 524x431px

>>159208710
literally who are you swaaz

>>159208760

If you have no friends, why would you be a Centurion? Don't all their abilities basically organise the party in some way and provide buffs?

Literally a useless class on their own.

File: 1477522848834.png (124KB, 375x409px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 375x409px

>>159208365
>r9 before this year ends

File: screenshot_20161102_00001.jpg (722KB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

722KB, 1680x1050px

When will Kim let us go into the hotel?

>>159208826
To kidnap people to my party and make they my friends. Also 2m to make a guild is to much, and templar skills are trash.

>>159208652
idk why youre replying to me, but five hammer is very useful, but there is NEVER one weapon that would be useful for 100% of all situations
nice weapon though im jelly af
>>159208730
im all about those dank CC moves my friend, if r2+r3 of murm will be strictly dps with NO defensive abilities (which is highly unlikely) then ya i wouldnt feel bad for not going murm3.... but you cant predict this sort of stuff
>>159208760
jokes on you, i got a $600 processor and i can just run 4 virtual machines and become an unstoppable centurion one man army/guild
>>159208801
not sure what this shitpost is supposed to mean

>>159208831

We'll probably get it similar to how rank 7 was added.

Only the classes with no actual content. When the content is finally added it'll be nothing but rehashed rank 8 content.

>>159208710
You made this?>>159208505
Didn't you start playing a month ago

>>159208860
Step 1) Get a sage.
Step 2) Use hook to change your memorized location manually to the unfinished hotel map.
Step 3) Enjoy hanging out in the hotel.

We've been doing this for weeks.

>you can only be a centurion if youre squire3
>it amplifies the squire3 dps skill which literally does nothing
i can finally die happy

File: 1453759086133.jpg (214KB, 800x1131px) Image search: [Google]

214KB, 800x1131px

>>159208924
When Rank7 classes first came out in kTOS< guilds costed 10m and guild towers costed 1m every week. People had nothing at the time, guilds were huge investments.

Agree Templar skills are trash. I wish they weren't just throwaway characters.

>>159209041
idk what the fk ur talking about... but ive been here since closed beta test phase 1. with the name Feminism. ICBT2 i went with Swaaz and stuck with it. you can even see me in all the meetups from back then
who is telling you im some sort of newfag?
threejane maximum damage control?
i didnt make it but ive had it saved and have been shitposting with that specific filename for atleast half a year

>>159209051
I mean 2m is no that hard to have in rank8, but you can't take any atributes or be blessed with RNGJesus to drop a Petamion, for exemple. There is no good templar build, that's really sad.

File: eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwOi8vaS40Y2RuLm9yZy92Zy8xNDY1NTc2MTE1NzUzLmdpZiJ9.jVWQwh5BDQso9S__mdh8ONgESWU.gif (2MB, 401x357px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 401x357px

I have an old character, high3 cor2. Is that any good now?

>>159209051

Alchemist skills are trash too. IMC is literally a very shitty developer.

>>159209189
High3 is way better than it used to be but cors2 is still grounds for a ruined build.

>>159204792
>would of
Literally only see Americans saying this

File: terror.png (2MB, 1431x828px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1431x828px

>>159209175
>he didnt waste 6 months of his life making this useless piece of trash
:^)

File: 2015-11-17_00001.jpg (590KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

590KB, 1920x1080px

>>159208801
>tfw I made that image back in icbt2
>tfw we used to laugh at this guy until this became the standard build

>>159209239
i dont see you bothering to make a guild with a fulltime job and only log in to do dailies then log the fuck off because all the endgame content is done with static groups and if youre not meta build nobody gives a fuck about you?
trump will fuck your taxes suck it
aint nobody got time fo that, especially with a dying playerbase
if the game didnt fking desync every 30 seconds as melee then i might of (would of) bothered tryharding this shitfest daily minigame fest

File: tanking.jpg (126KB, 302x810px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 302x810px

>>159209189
>high3corsair2

No, you can take shinobi for the memes, or Templar for a guild, but will be really shit. Don't know what you are thinking picking this build.

>>159209212
They do really nice skills, like murmillo ones, but fuck the shit in others.

>>159209258
Love you Swaaz, you are the true Squire master in my heart. To bad we play in different servers.

File: 1464166986245.jpg (523KB, 1425x1425px) Image search: [Google]

523KB, 1425x1425px

Good way to level up gems? Is it Uphill or camping bees / warlock farming?

squire3 dps skill
>1k damage that hits 3 times, maxed out
>has no attribute for +1% damage
>does less damage than pelt1 skills
>doesnt even have synergy with murmillo's damage boosting abilities for pelt/rode/hoplite
at least i can look like im doing something....

>>159209430
Uphill is a fine way to upgrade if you can get a static group. With r8 classes you can pretty easily duo it to completion if you dont get magnetic forced to death. This way you get abrasive drops from the chests and you can use the pvp points you get to buy even more abrasives.

File: sigh.gif (2MB, 265x257px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 265x257px

>still want a corsair fencer3
>enjoying my current character enough that I'd never actually use it
>would have to gear it up and buy attributes
>don't really have enough time to level another character
>still want a corsair fencer3

File: 1476103753419.jpg (117KB, 667x971px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 667x971px

>>159209501
The Templar C2 damage skill is pretty much this, except it has about 3 or 4k base damage. It has a HUGE animation, I can only fit 2 out of the 3 Overheats within a single Cleave debuff. If it crits it can do like 3x 10k damage but that's just tickling in Rank8 content, not to mention it costs a ridiculous amount of SP, over 100 per cast.

Sometimes I wonder if this skill has some weird hidden property like doing more damage if more allies are present or something, but I only ever reach the conclusion that it's just utter garbage.

>>159209362
No you moron, "would of" is grammatically incorrect.

>>159209382
This was my first character in early access and I really wanted to play a rogue type character. This was the closest thing I could find.

I didn't know much about the game at the time and getting help from people in the closed beta was just fucking impossible. Posting in that thread at the time was just a spam of "good build"

Thanks for the honesty though.

>>159209690
>3-4k damage
id fuck a popolion to get that much damage as a full con meat shield. i think i actually have the right to complain now knowing my skill does 4x less damage....
im shocked...

>>159209724
you must be new here
retard

>>159209610
Does the trick where a friend level 120 goes in and starts it and then me a 318 goes in still work?

>>159209357
shit changes

everyone literally laugh at the retards going wiz3 in icbt too. now each 'dmg wiz' has it

>>159210021
Now it's silly again as it takes two ranks you could use for thaum 2 instead to actually ddo more than 1s.

>>159210019
the waves are retroactive I think, the averaging of monster levels still happens though even in Uphill so a low level friend might not be so bad if hes a linker or a cleric

>>159210021
well magic missile kind of sucked back in icbt2 iirc

>>159210131
magic missle didnt even exist

>>159210083
but you'd have to take pyro or something early if you're skipping wiz3
>tfw we went from pyrolinker to wizlinker back to pyrolinker

>Too lazy to do dungeons earlier
>Reset running out
>Had to miss out on a third run to use it
>Still too lazy to do three more dungeons
>Start doing Evac pendulum
>Gold Candlespider
It's like 3 290 rushes all at once

>>159210171
really? I could've swore it was a thing, thats probably why wiz3linker sucked so much then

>>159210179
Pyrolinker ele3 will make it back to end game status with like thaum 3 enchanter or something.

File: 59167509_p0.png (624KB, 518x921px) Image search: [Google]

624KB, 518x921px

>>159209813
Squire, Templar, and Alchemist the worst jobs in the game right now. Sapper, Enchanter, Sadhu are situationaly useful here and there but are subpar otherwise. They really need to work those classes more.

The new Sapper attributes are really fucking nice, but double damage Claymore and Spike Shooter is still garbage, and double damage Broom Trap, while really good up to Rank7, will just tickle Rank8 monsters.

I am holding my breath to the adjustment of Stats they promised us. It's their big chance to fix this game for a lot of classes, in a lot of ways. They really need to stop rewarding people from investing into a single stat, it's fucking cancerous and retarded.

>>159210295
What's wrong with Alchemist? Other than where the fuck are the homunculuses

>>159210295
as someone who has played runescape for 10 years ive come into most mmo's with a purist mentality and no matter how shitty runescape is its still really satisfying making accounts built solely into one specific purpose and excluding everything else just to have an edge in pvp is actually really fun

>>159210295
wtf is a sadhu?

File: CrRIZXiUMAEJ0zy.jpg large.jpg (91KB, 636x811px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 636x811px

>>159210369
You can't make your potions better than the other Alchemist's potions, so the only way to make your crafts sell over the other guy's is to undercut him. This quickly people into going into nearly 0 profit, completely killing the point of a money-making crafting class. Also, nobody wants anything that isn't HP and SP pots. The market system is totally against Alchemists as well, and they can't actually use potions like RO Alchemists where they could pitch Potions to players and act in groups as Healers. Their damage skills are also totally garbage as well.

>>159210497
Something that was good and fun in iCBT2 and now it's only used for gimmicks.

>>159210567
i played a cleric3sadhu-pardoner in ICBT2
it was the most autistic retarded thing ever
and i had fun

File: 1454861349067.png (469KB, 850x850px) Image search: [Google]

469KB, 850x850px

>>159210746
All they did was nerf the speed of the OoB attacks, right?

I really wish they'd make an AGI stat for this game. They'd move Evasion from DEX to AGI and make AGI increase attack speed, this would fix all the retarded super-evasion builds, as well as making Sadhu, Chaplain and Quarrel Shooters viable late-game. Perhaps even Corsairs could be saved this way.

>>159210567
>You can't make your potions better than the other Alchemist's potion
Good, that means you can't be on the bottom.

>the only way to make your crafts sell over the other guy's is to undercut him.
This is really exacerbated by the market instead of having player shops to sell potions. An Alch stall outside a dungeon selling potions at 550 instead of 450 or something shouldn't have people warping back to town or even caring that someone has 530 nearby.

>Also, nobody wants anything that isn't HP and SP pots
Would be fixed by shops too, selling them alongside the other potions as well as general player education that just because something doesn't have a mega effect doesn't mean it doesn't have any effect. The potions don't even waste buff slots. No reason to not be using them. Now if only they didn't force you to buy certain ingredients from the Alch master because you can't trade them.

>they can't actually use potions like RO Alchemists where they could pitch Potions to players and act in groups as Healers. Their damage skills are also totally garbage as well.
Meh. I mean Alchs in RO had some cool skills with plants and acid, but eh. They were also locked into shop classes whereas you can build stuff before and after Alchs. Combustion is kind of bad with the way item collection works though.

I think the idea of level x potions is dumb though and they just need less amounts of potions with greater material costs for higher ones. Like instead of the same 1 uosis making 5 level 1 or level 15 sp potions, you should need like 5 uosis and 3 medus or something to make a set of medium sp potions.

It could use some rework but Alchemist isn't that bad, it just suffers from bad player economy decisions. It can still put nice buffs onto things, although they need better scaling, and perform a few useful tasks, but nothing all essential like repairs or buffs or food/tents. I imagine gem roasting might be making a little money at the moment though.

>>159210905
im not aware of any of the sadhu nerfs, i was having fun in icbt2 and didnt bother looking into anything after it ended
i had fun using OoB on immobile bosses though, 100% chance to win

>>159210905
This game needs Agi and Luck.

>>159210567
>>159211112

Alchemists, and crafting in general needs reworking to reward people dedicated to their class and who invest time and effort into it.

Right now, if you make an Alchemist, it'll make potions as good as people who have had Alchemists for the past 6 months. They could have put thousands of hours into their class, but that doesn't mean shit because crafting produces fixed results and nothing can change this.

Crafting classes need their own stats which effect the finished item in different ways. They need their own gear that provides bonuses to crafting. Hell, they even need their own crafting content like quests and some equivalent to missions and dungeons.
That way, people who put a lot of effort into their crafting class will produce better items and will be able to sell them at better prices. While people who just make a quick alt will produce low quality trash that sells for nothing.

>>159211112

I literally made an alchemist only to make potions for myself.

There's no reason to even sell them because of undercutting.

Why waste hours farming Uosis on a 1 channel map to make a small profit when I can camp my necro in bee's or use my warlock to farm pure silver at 10x the rate?

you guys will be bawling your eyes out once all the alchemists quit this game and there won't be anything but insanely expensive potions on the market and you faggots are forced to roll alchemists yourselves only to realize you now don't have enough time to even farm the mats and it wouldn't taken less time and less effort to just buy some

"""overpriced""" potions

>>159211385
Cry harder, jewbag.

>>159211347
No. What game has this, btw?
It just sounds like a bad idea. Something will be better than others and people will all make that kind.

>>159211464
not a jew if I don't sell anything retard

retard

File: Cr0YREPUMAAizEf.jpg large.jpg (157KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 1500x1000px

>>159211531
Stats need to affect potion creation. Alchemists with more CON make better HP potions, with more STA make better SP potions, with more DEX make better speed potions, etc. They also need to scale with level, so people actually level their alchemists.

>>159211385
>once all the alchemists quit this game
Literally never. If the current ones quit, a new generation will step up. That's how it works.

Until IMC doesn't give us a way to make potions better than the competition, undercutting will not end.

>>159211582
Look at him.
Look how mad he is.

You can practically taste his warm kosher salt tears through the internet.

>>159210295
Spike shooter could deal more than half of, if not outright kill, any non 320+ mob hp in a single use. How much damage does yours do and with how much enhance? I remember it seemed to have a hidden 150% modifier just like Cartar Stroke

Cooldown is a bitch though

>>159211582
Why do you make potions for yourself instead of buying them then?

>>159211531

It's in ToS right now. But it only applies to combat classes.

If I whip up a quick alt and grind it to rank 8, even if my build is the same as yours, you'll probably have a better character. You'll have better gear and so on because you took more time to grind for it. You'll also be more familiar with the class and what they're capable of doing.

Why should combat classes get this, but not crafting classes? Remember, crafting is not an optional thing you do like it is in other MMOs. There are entire classes dedicated to crafting, and picking one is a permanent decision that effects your entire character.

If a game has classes purely dedicated to crafting, then you need to design the game with this in mind and put them on an equal level.

>>159211719

How I'd do it is this.

Con: Increases effectiveness
Dex: Reduces cooldown of potion
Int: Increases efficiency of creating them (so you make more items with the same amount of materials)
Wis: Increases duration of potions (for hp/sp this would reduce the duration of the healing effect but keep the strength the same)

Increased skill level wouldn't make higher level potions. It would act as a multiplier to your stats so you'd need both to get the strongest effect.

I'd also greatly improve the selection of potions that could be made.

>>159211773
Because he's mad that... they're... not priced higher...
look, don't expect alchemists to make sense. The world they live in does not adhere to things like logic.

>>159210567
I'm having a blast on my Sadhu monk,
The class is buggy as hell astral body explosion makes your character stuck sometimes, Prakriti is never accurate, and oob attacks suck

However Sadhus are getting a nice buff where
only knockdowns can break oob so I'll be sitting in oob with 1700 evasion

File: Rodelposting.jpg (105KB, 651x444px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 651x444px

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NxOxm5iG-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ez455i-18s

Two more videos before I go to sleep.

>>159211742
I didn't invest much in it yet. It seem like that whenever I use it, it shoots spikes the wrong direction. The thing about it alright firing to the right of the direction you're facing doesn't seem valid anymore, sometimes I even see it firing both ways.

>>159211863

>Wis

I mean Spr. Man I'm fucking tired.

>>159211863
Still sounds dumb to me. People would still just make cookie cutter builds. There's even the option you could p2w with potion stats no one else could match without hundreds of bucks spent.

All there needs to be is varying amounts of effort that increase with the quality of crafts and removal of the 1 skill point = 1 level system. Like how enchanters, for example, can enchant different things per level invested, it needs to be like that with potions.

Even just separating from the market board would be good. Can you imagine if you could search the whole world for the lowest buffs and repairs and get them without having to go to the player shops?

>>159212382

It'd be better than the system we have now. And give people choices.

Add on to that something like gear with specialised effects for crafting and a wider variety of potions and you'd have an entire market of potions made by a variety of people who specialise.

Imagine having the choice between a hp potion that just healed a shit load of hp, or one that healed a medium amount in a very short time, or another than had a short cooldown, or maybe you could just buy hundreds of weak ones at a tiny cost.
Now imagine there was a wide variety of potions that provided buffs (and maybe even debuffs to enemies) that all had effects that could vary like this.

Someone who could make strong healing potions might not make strong buffing potions and so on.

If it was balanced right, it would add a massive amount to the game and make crafting more interesting and not just something relegated to an alt.

Your idea could even be incorporated and skill levels would unlock more potion varieties.
Level 1 might have a hp potion that heals some hp now and some over time. Level 3 might have one with a strong initial effect but no over time effect. While level 5 might have one that has no initial effect but a very strong over time effect.

File: screenshot_20161103_00001.jpg (10KB, 120x127px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 120x127px

>>159212402

>>159212607
I think I'd prefer there to be a healthy failure rate in crafting potions, but to have that craft rate based the user's INT and DEX. Then start maintaining a ladder of the alchemists who succeed high level potions the post, for instance, every time you successfully craft a potion that should have a 20%+ failure rate you get a point. Then the 10 or 20 alchemists on that ladder could have a special effect added to the potions they craft that make them more effective.

Just an idea I had.

>>159200809
>muh ro
thanks for ruining my game retard

>>159212697
This is basically RO's /alchemist ladder. It was one of RO's less clever ideas. >>159212607 is so much better.

Regardless, what we have now that IMC made is literally the worst and laziest approach they could've taken.

File: no shit.gif (1MB, 204x245px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 204x245px

>>159212760
>This is basically RO's /alchemist ladder.

File: MaximumJewishAutism.png (348KB, 767x649px) Image search: [Google]

348KB, 767x649px

>Alchejews are currently having a "I don't want anyone else having sellable potions but me" discussion

Get this shit out of here.

>>159212760
Did the "DEX and INT" give it away or was it the "Just an idea I had?"

>>159212831
Oh god that butthurt


>>159211347
Should have made alchemist specific recipes that are very hard to obtain also add the chance of creating a failure and a mystery versions of potions

>>159213094

To be fair, I understand how the guy feels.

I made an Enchanter, and on day one a bunch of people set up Enchanting shops and started undercutting people. Enchantments basically sell for nothing now and honestly it's not even worth taking the skill (but you will because Enchanters don't exactly have many good skills).

The problem is partly IMCs fault for making it so easy to enchant shit, but it's also the retarded ass communities fault for constantly undercutting each other and putting no value on the effort it took to get to rank 8 (or how picking a crafting class negatively effects your characters combat viability).

I don't even bother setting up my enchanting shop anymore unless someone I know specifically asks for it. Clicking that skill button then typing in 2100 isn't worth the effort. I make more profit just going to a random map and killing 2-3 mobs than I do from a night of enchanting.

Where do you grind after alameth and and what level do you do so?

>>159213286
Enchanter is for scrolls, anon.

>>159213487

What level are you?

Storage would normally be the next place, but it's shitty and apparently people don't do it anymore since the changes in level range for exp.

After that is Mavens which is a level 274 map.

So they've stopped with banning bots huh?

Seriously 20 cleric bots right here in this little spot.

>>159213557

Scrolls are expensive to make, most are shit and the few that are useful are one time use things that you really don't want to be wasting money on.

I mean, Barrier scrolls have lots of uses. They make tons of things easier, have long duration and are pretty cheap so you're not too worried about using them.
Joint Penalty scrolls are great too. But they don't have nearly the amount of uses a barrier scroll does, and the effect is limited to one group of mobs for a few hits.

The only scrolls of mine that sell are enchant fire ones. I have no idea why though. They're not that good.

>>159212607
People would literally make and buy only one kind of potions like people literally make only a few kinds of builds. I don't know why you are so hopeful when you know how humans act. The maximally efficient potion for time, effort, and effect would be figured out and people would buy and make only those. Ask yourself what kinds of potions you would buy. If I listed a bunch of level 3 sp potions potions for 850, would you buy them?

>a wider variety of potions
>Now imagine there was a wide variety of potions that provided buffs
There IS a wide variety of potions. No one buys them. (e.g. Attack Boosters stopped working a few patches ago and no one has noticed) There's an even wider variety of gimmick potions I presume no one ever gathers or uses(probably because they weigh a fucking ton though) that even if they were sold, people would most likely still never buy.

>that all had effects that could vary like this.
It would be a huge hassle to list and buy. How many times do you search for potions that aren't level 15? That aren't HP or SP? If they had any sort of stacking ability, they would have to be categorized by name in some way and people would only search for specific ones.

>>159213286
>Enchantments basically sell for nothing now
Oh wow, it's not like you could predict this since it happened to every fucking class with a shop.

When is rank 9 going to be released?

>>159213680
>They're not that good.
>Extra auto attack line supported by blessing, daggers, enchant lightning, and elemental enchants

>>159213740

So you balance it in such a way that there is no best potion.

Which potion is the best?

One that heals 40% instantly, then another 40% over 10 seconds.
One that heals 65% instantly.
Or one that heals 110% over 20 seconds?

Each one of these potions has a different situation where they could be useful in, some are better in certain situations but not in others.

And no one uses buff potions because they're shit. Weak effects with short durations that just aren't worth it.
I'm not going to buy a potion that gives me a 2.3% damage boost for 3 minutes. It's fucking nothing. If it was something like a 5-10% boost in damage for an hour, I'd be all over that shit.

And listing/finding shit is only a hassle because the market place system sucks. It's not specific enough and you can only filter results in a few ways.

>>159213949
>So you balance it in such a way that there is no best potion.

Balance all the classes so that there is no best class. Balance all the skills so there is no best build for each end class. I'm not even reading the rest of your post. That's way too easy to say.

>>159213941

I'm an Enchanter. I can get more elemental damage than you and even I rarely use enchant fire because the extra damage is fucking insignificant by rank 8.
So what if I do an extra damage line that adds maybe 700 damage to my once every 2 second attack. Mobs at this level have half a million fucking Hp.

Only time I bother with enchant fire is when I want to destroy an objective quicker.

>>159212745
can someone please fucking say what this meme virus does?

>>159213740
>No one buys them
No one but alchemists know they exist. There should be a market tab for for crafting class exclusive items

>>159214007

What the game needs is less stuff that is always useful, and more stuff that is situationally useful.

If a DPS class does more DPS than all the over DPS classes, then it's the best. Who the fuck cares about the others?
Most people hate it, but Featherfoot is a good example of situational usefulness. Against beasts, insects and demons a decent Featherfoot is fucking invincible. Even at rank 8 they can mob shit up and slurp down on them without fear of death. But against anything else, they can still fight against them, but not to this level of proficiency.

The game needs to be balanced and designed like this. Not just with classes, but with gear, items and so on.

Of course saying this shit is easy, and we're talking about IMC so something like this will never happen. But this is the sort of thing the game needs when it has so many fucking classes.

>>159214126
Just browse the fucking rar. It's not going to suddenly jump out of the rar and install a rootkit.

Muh RO and Klaipeda should be enough for you to guess what he uploaded anyway.

>>159214257

>ToS will never have music this good playing at Christmas in town

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejOUZIvFt8k

>>159214313
I like ToS's music better than ROs in general. I don't get people's nostalgia over most of it. There are a lot of good ones, but there are a lot of ones I replaced because they were eh. For ToS, I only replace the shitty gay club ones.

So is Gesti kill?

>>159214398

ToS has decent music, but only like 3 of it's songs are spectacular. Lots of stuff that is either forgettable or gets annoying fast though.

I'd say RO has better music but also some music that's really fucking bad. ToS is kind of somewhere in the middle, more consistent but doesn't reach the peaks RO had (or the lows either).

>>159214398
90% of this general is "muh nostalgia."

File: angry little girl.jpg (38KB, 511x512px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 511x512px

>>159214535

No! Anyone who hurts Gesti I will kill.

>>159213949
>I'm not going to buy a potion that gives me a 2.3% damage boost for 3 minutes. It's fucking nothing
>It's fucking nothing
Damage is damage anon, 2% more damage means target dies 2% faster.
Might be insignificant for trash mobs but very significant in tough boss battles.

>>159214398

>This is nostalgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCUNruxThQU

Man fuck you. This song was amazing and still is.

>>159214627

It's really not. In a game where I can pay for an hour long buff that gives me bonus damage that is almost 3 times better than even the best potion and lasts for an hour, where I can spend a bit of money and get a permanent 2% damage bonus to my skills and where there are plenty of buffs stronger than every potion combined, that bonus damage just doesn't mean shit.

You also got to consider these potions last minutes at most, and most enemies in the game, even bosses die so fast that a 2% damage increase doesn't even shave seconds off how long it takes to kill.

The only time these potions might make a significant difference is against level 330 world bosses, and that's only if everyone is chugging them.

The effects of them are too weak, too short and there are no good situations to make use of these items. So no one cares about them.

Funny thing is, a few weeks ago I was chugging movement speed potions like mad, just to make exploring the world for the bonus exp cards easier.

So what's the next town going to be?
Snowy village?
Seaport?
Or "lol fuck geography, let's have a volcano town" despite there being no volcanoes in Lithuania?

>>159214180
I'd argue the game, in general, has enough horizontal differentiation, sidegrades or whatever you what to call it. However, people will just flock to whatever is the simplest shit they can have, especially so if that's the meta. For example, I think pretty much anyone thought Melstis was garbage, until some Korean cleared ET using it, after that we had the card update. Other example would be elementalist pre r8; after the big swordsman buff update, you could have swordsman doing good dps, in some cases even better than elementalist with the right setup, but you'd still hear people wanting pelts only for grinding parties and most saying swordsmen were still bad

>>159214180
One thing about situational usefulness is that people whine when they can't solo everything to do everything with their class. That's why they made basically all of Cryo's and Kino's skills do damage when some of them were pure CC before. It's why there are slash and strike gauntlets and that glove for Featherfoot.

Players think about themselves in a void and about their classes in a void too much.

I just wish the game had more skills per class though. Since it's a "you can make your own class path" game, there should be a larger variety of skills that you can use to make your character situationally useful as you put it. Muh RO had a greater variety of builds in just 1 class path split. Making some of the attributes be passive skills you invested in would be a good start.

I really hope if it last a few years they'll go back and start improving the amount of skills per class rank.

File: 1461389169841.png (22KB, 800x473px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 800x473px

>>159214993
>So what's the next town going to be?
You know already there won't be any new town

>https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=716
>finally hunter and companion fixes
>free stat potion
>but the entire game is going to shit with the gacha nonsense

>>159214812
Seriously, the only way some of these potions will ever see use (who the fuck at IMC though that magic amp one did nearly enough) would be if there's a hidden class that's essentiall AlchC4, and could wield potions with drastically boosted effects.

Right now, the overhead cost of simply making them is bad enough, even before alchemists get all jewish when listing them on the market. Combined with being literally nothing, stat-wise, just who the fuck would buy them?

>>159215150
= (

>>159215054

People being idiots doesn't change the fact that the game lacks a lot of depth and a lot could be done to make it better.

If all DPS classes only do damage, at the end of the day only the one with the best damage will be used. Why even have the others?

>>159215143

You're right in that people only care about themselves and what they can do. But the game needs to dissuade this kind of thinking.
IMC made a half assed attempt when they added rank 8 by just making everything so tough most people couldn't viably do it solo.

Not saying the entire game should be like rank 8. But it needs to go in this direction.
Though to make this viable, it also needs a lot more content. For example, take the 115 dungeon, in this most mobs are strong vs fire and some even get healed by it. This makes being a Pyromancer in this dungeon a pain in the ass. If there was say 5 dungeons at or around level 115, this wouldn't be a problem, but there isn't so at this level range and in this dungeon Pyromancers just get shit on.

RO was good in this respect because if a dungeon had lots of mobs that were strong vs fire (and all you had was fire damage), you could just go somewhere else. Just going somewhere else is almost never an option in ToS.

>>159215209

Which is why I said the potions need to be made better.

I'm not paying for 66 magic amp for 180 seconds. That's completely fucking useless.
If the potion was 10% magic damage for an hour, I (and I suspect a lot of people) would be all over that shit. Even if these potions were difficult to make, the long duration would make that less of an issue because people wouldn't be chugging them like hp/sp potions anyway.

Buff potions never get used purely because of how bad they are.

File: 1464853057364.png (75KB, 414x260px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 414x260px

>>159215271
despair not, there will be some Jeromel like genereic ruin covered on grass with 1m hp trash mobs, it's not like your 320 orange stage10 weapon isn't strong enough to carry you.
Do you have a rank 8 stage10 +10 red weapon for rank9 right?

>>159215569

>She only has a 320 stage 10 +20 orange weapon

Do you even gacha? Those things give you 5 gem abrasives, 30 silver anvils and 7 blessed shards each.

By now you should have at least a stage 10, +99 orange weapon slotted with 5 level 10 red gems. All of your armor should also be stage 10, +99 and slotted with appropriate level 10 yellow, blue or green gems.

File: 1464593424600.gif (188KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

188KB, 400x400px

>>159215654
The silver anvils destroyed my potential
Need to buy some more gatcha to roll more Practorium or some golden anvils

>>159215801

Just how poor are you? Practonium is so common now you can buy it for like 50k.

>>159214627
>>159214812
You can stack potions pretty much infinitely, unless they have the same effects. +2 speed might not be much alone but you could have a +3 speed potions, settlement potions with whatever speed they had, and dumplings all active at the same time. It's the same for damage and defense. If you can recast haste and blessing and revive and swift step and concentration and deeds or whatever every couple minutes, you can hit your potion hotkeys too.

They don't even affect your other buffs and I'm sure there are potions that give def and stuff that you can exploit those longer buffs with.

You know what this game needs from RO though? Those attack speed potions.

But this is what I meant earlier in >>159213740

Now that I go back to >>159213949, do you think people will buy anything but the 65% one? With that though that
>most enemies in the game, even bosses die so fast
do you think people are going to sit around waiting for their HP to tick up when they could just have more than half of it restored?

Also remember portions have cooldowns. Who's going to want 80% hp every 30 seconds? 110 every 30 seconds over most of the time span? In that same time 2 of the second potions is 130% hp. Both times used it's instant, no waiting. What are you doing to do? Give the middle one an unreasonably large cooldown and make it worthless?

40 instantly, 40 in 10 seconds, and then 40 instantly again is still only 120% vs 130% btw. If you wanted to improve it, you'd have to lower the cooldown and make the middle useless. If it were say, 15 seconds, you'd get 120 worth of uses in the same time + another 80% for 200%. 20 seconds would be 160%, since it only takes 10 seconds for the other 40% to finish. (use once 40%, 10 seconds for 40%, 10 seconds of wait, use for 40%, 10 seconds for 40% = 30 seconds)

>>159215337
>If all DPS classes only do damage, at the end of the day only the one with the best damage will be used. Why even have the others?
Like I said, I think there's enough horizontal differentiation there, with different armor types and elements. What really could be developed more would be racial bonus, like for example hunters doing additional damage on beasts.

That's, of course, assuming all dps classes play the exact same, which isn't true at all

File: 1461388744598.png (59KB, 420x248px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 420x248px

>>159215851
I used all my silvers for getting every skill to +100% on my alts
Might aswell buy some more Silver boxes too

>>159213941
all of that is shit in higher lvls