/rlg/ - Roguelike General

First for the forgotten crawler.

2nd for Morgoth is best dad

turdak is dancing on my screen wtf

why can't NIS make a good roguelike

What's better for a MiBe? An antimagic eveningstar or a demon whip of electrocution? I have them both at +9

>>158978414

Too busy sucking the money out of the Disgaea franchise...

>>158978479
An axe

>>158978414
It'd be shallow with a HUGE grind for HUGE numbers, with a lewd loli skin. Fuck that noise.

>>158978606
Sounds exactly like the game I would play

don't judge me

>>158978479

Whip since it's got less of a delay than the eveningstar.

>>158978479
Eveningstar.

>>158978479
whip is better for general purpose, antimagic is good for bullying mages obviously

>>158978795
I'm not, but it definitely isn't my cup of tea. I'd honestly like those games more if they cut out the loli shit though. I can't judge anyone. I play FFXIV even though I loathe catgirls and potatos.

>>158978919
NO BULLY

>>158978479
Axes.
Whips are for dominatrix and eveningstars are for literal faggots.

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>>158979573
>eveningstars are for literal faggots.

I do not play Felids because I only play real roguelikes but seriously how do I streak like 5 (five) 0 death Felids to D:10 at all? This is literally making me crazy

>>158979762
t. literal faggot

How would you make exploring in roguelikes fun and not boring or repetitious? It seems it's all combat and grind.

>>158980631
Actual choices on whether or not to go X place instead of being a dungeon clearing simulator.

>>158980631
diving pacifist Edains in Sil
mumo
tons of premade (i.e. non-procedurally generated) vaults, which makes it not a roguelike

>>158978606

>the local minotaur despises games with huge numbers since he cannot count

>>158982630
I don't get it.

>>158981264
Could you elaborate anon? Sounds interesting but I don't quite get what you mean/too obscure to me.
As for the third; yeah. Handmade content seems like the answer (good approach would be mixing handmade with generated I guess?), but I wonder if there's a way to make random generated dungeon exploration intriguing.

>>158982991

Vaults in Crawl are handmade

>>158983238
Never played Crawl, but are its vaults unique in a way or just standard loot/mob rooms?

>level 3600' unique on 1800'
ok

>>158975891
Play however you want. DCSS's popularization of comparing l33t scores to see who has the most severe case of autism is absolute poison to the genre. What you do in your roguelike is your business.

>>158982991
Brogue is almost entirely random and atill interesting. Certain puzzles are the only remotely hand-made things and still come with a good degree of randomization.

>>158983384

>unique

If you don't think that Map Shape X personally handcrafted by Person A that contains random/fixed loot and mob is different to Map Shape Y personally handcrafted by Person B that contains random/fixed loot and mob then congratulations, it simply means you've already grown up on roguelikes.

>>158983675
>using feet instead of dlvls
for what purpose

>>158983925
Trip up retards who can't swiftly do basic baby division in their skulls.

>>158978479
Both are very, very good. The eveningstar is more useful for mages and certain higher level demons, as antimagic affects even things which wouldn't be usually considered casting like a demon's innate abilities

I see I can read books to npcs so they level up skills now.

Is there any use for teaching my buddy first aid?

>>158984692
i think there's some feature where you can somehow get npc buddies to help you with installing bionics and shit, and first aid skill helps with that

i'm not sure if they add a bonus to you or they completely replace you though so idk how valuable it really is

>>158983809
>is absolute poison to the genre.
Is a statement that has literally never been true, especially not in this context. People maligned savescumming before crawl, and people savescum after crawl. The important this is to have fun, which means that people think their way of having fun is most important. That is the cause of anti-savescum, not entirely optional and wildly ignored high scores.

Is there any roguelike where I can play as a literal faggot?

>>158985467
slash'em extended

>>158985467
in your case, all of them

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>>158979876

Who knows? I can't do that either. Just be yourself lol

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>>158968269
>>158968398

Figuring out the game is part of the fun.

>>158968437
So let's say I have a sword and shield character, like a fighter. I can train longswords and boost my damage output with them. And train shields and get what I assume is some defensive bonuses. And if I then choose not to use magic, I'll have no active abilities and just rely on bump attacking things forever?

I come from playing Tome4 and DoD, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything since DCSS seems really elaborate and popular.

What are the good sources of gold/silver in Cata ? I know about jewler shops and armored trucks. But it's like 100/200 units a time. My hoarder fetish is not sustained that way. Also I'm burning through such amounts very fast when I produce large quantities of ammo.

>The Haste spell has been removed (in Trunk)

You wot

>>158986398
Banks.

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>>158986427

Bloatcrime.

>>158986397
>I'll have no active abilities and just rely on bump attacking things forever?

most of your damage will just involve bumping things, yeah

you can still use inventory items like wands or potions of course, and the god you worship will generally give you some active abilities of varying usefulness/spammability

I'm glad vampires overall got a buff, despite vampiric weapons no longer giving them a special boost -- I find myself healing nearly to full with every stab, and bats being able to read scrolls/drink potions is great too.

Anyone have experience with Discord? How does it stack up as, essentially, a nuke?

>>158986397
You'll wanna switch training modes, ie disable automatic training, and focus on sords til you hit mininum delay with that weapon, then shields.

>>158986749
>>>>>>>>discord
dont post bait

>>158986397
You can use evocables and god abilities. Both are limited and can't be used for every engagement. DCSS is more about enemy variety at its core than it is about player variety, although player variety is still fairly high. In Tome4, 95% of enemies are trash, 4% are dangerous rares, and 1% are uniques/dungeon bosses. In DCSS, 60% of enemies are trash, 25% are somewhat dangerous, and 15% will probably wreck you unless you know what you're doing.

>>158986745
Hmmm... So does DCSS have a lot of depth then? part of why I always liked Tome4 was due to the huge amount of skills and passives you could use. Really changed the experience for me at the end of the day.

>>158987103
More like 80% can be tabbed, 15% need to be led into a corridor to be tabbed, and 5% are excluded and walked away from.

Sounds exciting, right?

>>158987262
lmao good bait you'll get someone

>>158986592
Okay thanks. Time for a z-heist

>>158987317
Let me guess, you exclusively play MiFis?

Oh wait, no. DsFi, MiBe, CeFi too. You tried a SpEn once, but that was too complicated.

>>158986876
no seriously what's the problem?

>>158987103
ToME definitely has a lot more devastating enemies than DCrawl -- you are constantly getting random-assed stunned by enemies the moment you see them, nothing really compares to that in Crawl.

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>>158987103
So that 15% are all the worm that walks? Sorry if this is asking a lot, but what kind of big differences can you have between characters?

like in Tome4's case you your initial class affects your skills and skill ratios. So I can start as a Berserker and eventually get a lot of per turn heals, have an active that'll prevent death for X turns, and some sweeping AoEs.

Or I could be an arcane warrior and cast spells on melee hits and have access to teleports.

Or I could be a rogue with a focus on stuns and attacks from stealth.

The closest thing to tome that I read about in the tutorial is that you can get some pretty potent stealth openers. But do tell me if there's any more.

>>158988120
just play the game retard

>>158987905
why dont you go ask (((kate)))

>>158988120
Tome is shit anyway, so better play some real roguelikes or leave my fucking general.

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The Strength meme lives on! Orb of Power has no need for foul, impure Magicks!

>>158988120
In Crawl, the main differences are:
1. Species. This is your main "difficulty setting."
2. Background. This affects starting stat distribution (meaning that non wizards will always be a little gimped in terms of magic due to a lower int) and starting skills and items.

Other than that, you can go wherever you want to with a char.

>>158988418
You hilarious retard.

>>158988120
>Or I could be a rogue with a focus on stuns and attacks from stealth.
>The closest thing to tome that I read about in the tutorial is that you can get some pretty potent stealth openers. But do tell me if there's any more

Vampire enchanter of Dithmenos. You can run around one shotting most foes.

>>158987475
No one really argues that ToME is more complex than Crawl. Crawl is better designed, but ToME's combat and loot systems allow for levels of autism that are unheard of in Crawl

>>158988120
Crawl is on the clock - food clock, out of depth clock. So while in Tome4 you could conceivably kill a worm that walks by attacking, healing, teleporting, attacking, healing, teleporting, attacking, in crawl your escape options are limited. If you can't kill something on the first try, you're not going to be able to kill it on the second try with identical skills. And you wouldn't want to, because you'd just be wasting time and resources. Healing to full can take a hundred turns or more.

Tome4 has unlimited escape options through infusions. Crawl doesn't have that, so it takes a little more thought in picking battles. Most of the time you'll be able to tab through a bunch of enemies, but there are far more times when a crawl character will be in imminent peril compared to tome, because in tome you can just teleport away or heal up. An engagement in tome4 against a single dangerous enemy can last 50 turns, depending on how much damage and healing takes place. That would never happen in crawl. Either you'd kill it in a few turns, or it would kill you in a few turns.

>>158989178
>No one really argues that ToME is more complex than Crawl
tome is more complex than crawl

>>158989463
>If you can't kill something on the first try, you're not going to be able to kill it on the second try with identical skills
the shit i read in this general nowadays...

I thought Orcrist would be a more powerful artifact

>>158989463
>rolls die
>get a 2
>energy scums
>rests
>comes down other stair
>rolls die
>get a 17

>>158989463
Yeah, no. Don't overhype Dungeon Crawl, dude. There is plenty of shit in ToME that rapidly kills you, early game or no, up to and including a very common encounter with 8 thieves decloaking all around you and attacking at once.

The food and OOD clock is not remotely serious -- unless you have a very very VERY scummy playstyle, or play the incredible Firestorming Spriggan, you will probably never run afoul of either.

>but there are far more times when a crawl character will be in imminent peril compared to tome

This is fucking stupid and indicates you have little experience with ToME.

And before you ask, I find ToME unbearably bad to play (the amount of attention span and micromanaging that a necromancer has to have to take care of his minions killed the game for me).

>>158989463

This is why Elona+ is the greatest roguelike. An epic battle against a True God lasts for 3 or 5 real life hours depending on what you use and that's already using a monstrous character that you've played for 500 hours

>>158990142
But Elona+ isn't a roguelike

>>158989850
*band weapon artifacts are yucky until DL40+.

It's hilarious that you can obliterate the game as a spider or a dragon or a monk, but as soon as you play a weapon-user you have to sell your soul to Satan just to get half-decent damage.

And if you're a spellcaster you'll never get decent damage!

>>158990142
the level of grinding is offputting

>>158990371
それです。

>>158990142
>disgusting interface
>grinding is like playing PCB but a hundred times slower
>bloated as fuck
>weeb
>snails aren't really snails
Elona+ is probably the worst (((((roguelike))))) discussed on this general.

>>158990706
>それ
これ*

>>158990708

Personally I think the *bands are worse, just because both are hugely grindy messes but grinding in Elona has bigger rewards and more open ended gameplay than just another ultra bigass healing potion.

>>158990397
Well I guess it would be better for a priest, since it's blessed

My dagger of rilia and main gauchw of azaghal can kill pretty much everything, aside from OOD uniques

I guess it could still be useful if I'm fighting something evil that's not an orc, troll, or dragon and it's resistant to poison

>>158989463
Yeah the joke in tome4 is that everything is harmless or annoying, and it's only when you encounter an elite mob that's already done half your health while you're autoexploring that you realize you might be fucked. Then it's just a matter of picking through your tools to see if you can live somehow.

It's intriguing that fights last less time though, even against stronger enemies.

>>158990002
How to prevent imminent death in Tome
>teleport, heal, use one of the many abilities available to most classes to reduce the enemy's damage or increase your defense, inflict status effects, don't get in the situation in the first place

How to prevent imminent death in Crawl
>blinking scroll, don't get in the situation in the first place

Bad play in Tome has no consequences. None. Bad play in Crawl is punished.

>>158991219

I don't know if I agree with his perspective but probably the most important skill in Crawl is peeling off enemies one at a time and figuring out what will be too difficult in advance.

>>158988418
This is the run I want to read about the most.

>>158991307
How to prevent imminent death in Crawl: Use an escape button.

How to prevent imminent death in ToME: Shouldn't have gotten stunned, too late now.

>>158991219
It doesn't help that autoexplore is broken in tome4.

>>158977827
How often do you need to eat during Rogue?

>>158991538
There is not a single type of action that stunning prevents in tome4.

>>158991538
There's a reason every guide ever written for tome4 tells you to keep your starting wild infusion, anon

if you really want to post some bullshit, mention fearscape

>>158991156
What does blessed even do as a modifier? Anything for nonpriests?

>>158993073

Seems like it's just something for priests. I used blessed weapons against undead and demons in PCB and I did not notice a difference...

For nonpriests it doesn't do anything

But priests can only wield blunt weapons and blessed weapons, if a weapon isn't blunt or blessed they will suffer penalties

>>158989607
i mean that's the whole point of pillardancing ogres

they bash you, you reset the fight and try again to kill them before they get a big enough hit in

>>158990397
i played a centaur bard and fully half of my damage was just from the centaur's intrinsic kick attack, which was as good as/better than my weapon up until i found an art with +1.5 blows

>>158993073
for most classes it's just less likely to get cursed

for a hex high-mage trying to use your "curse weapon" spell on an artifact or a blessed item has a chance to fail and permanently disenchant it

>>158991984
stunning puts random abilities on cooldown and prevents cooldowns from ticking down until it ends

if you are dependent on just one or two emergency abilities, stunning can randomly make them unavailable

>>158994609
you know what else makes every ability unavailable? paralysis
do you know which game has paralysis?
not tome

Question

In Angband, which uniques should I always avoid?

>>158995075
slay all uniques

>>158994609
Except it can't because the abilities that remove debuffs are instant.

>>158995162
Even farmer maggot?

>>158995431
uniques must go

>>158995587
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>>158991958
Your stomach starts with 2150/2850.
You starve below 850, you die at 0.
Eating gives 1100-1500 (random).

You use 1/turn, or more with rings.
Less with amulets.

>>158995075
J

better advice:
Jackoff Shadows and Habu are super overpowered shitwreckers for their levels

Gachapin breathes for lots of damage in uncommon-for-his-level resistances, and will fuck you up with the secondary effects of his chaos/nuke breath

Pendragon and Zeus will both summon all their buddies at you, so maybe don't bully them until you've killed all their friends

Smaug and Utgard-Loke just breathe for shitloads of damage relative to their dungeon levels. 900 damage breath is still spooky at that point even through quadruple resistance

Hey anon, do you play any other games besides roguelikes?

>>158996748
wait shit i thought u were posting about pcb

nevermind these uniques dont even fucking exist in angband mostly

>>158996915
The non-roguelikes I play are not roguelikes. Now fuck off.

>>158995075
anything that can penetrate you right inside your tender resistance hole

also generally anything that's faster than you are with !speed

>>158996915
the only games i own on steam are roguelikes

e.g. dredmore, tome4, binding of isaac, dark souls 3...

i don't fuck around with any of that cataclysmdda notaroguelike shit

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>>158997189

>>158996915

Crawl, PCB and Demon are my favorite non-roguelikes

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>>158997189

>>158996915
I play wargames. Playing war in the East and arguing with 2 other dudes on where in Ukraine to send the 47th army while the germ push our shit in is fun.

>>158996915
Ogrewatch, FFXIV and a whole host of boardgames and strategy vidya.

>>158996915
I've been playing Thea lately, but it's turn-based and tile-based, with permadeath, so I'm not sure if it counts as not-a-roguelike.

>>158996915
Recurringly? CS:GO. Currently S.T.A.L.K.E.R, maybe Alien Isolation

>>158995075
starting from about level 40 or 50 it's easier to avoid almost every unique until you're overleveled to fight it

of course for the very strongest uniques that time never comes, but you can kill them for fun and so that Morgoth can't summon them

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Welp.

I really wonder why I haven't heard about how good blight is sooner on.

>>158996915
Waiting for the new warhammer mod for medieval 2 to be updated

I'm thinking about emulating some psp games

Tiranny looks cool, I'll pirate it

>>158998316
Congrats, but
>No ritualist

>>158998617
I really should do the math to figure that stuff out.

>managed to recruit the starting npc who was a 6 unarmed, 5 dodge combat god
>sitting around reading books and teaching things to each other
Comfy life

>>158998316
What demons have blight?

>>158998959
Mananangal. I'm sure the baleful modifier provides it. You can get it as a third Vodun Mask ability.

>>158999069
Starting with blight is awful though.

>>158998714
10 sp cost reduction works out to be about a 30% cost reduction across all abilities. I'd take Ritualist by itself over Tireless and Vigorous unless I'm using a breath attack and second wind. Most can trips are ok except for draw wounds, refresh, and combust, which are good, but Ritualist is so good that giving can trips is worth it

>>158999704
>Update
Alright. I will consider that in future runs where my PC has numerous high SP cost abilities.

>>158989463
>An engagement in tome4 against a single dangerous enemy can last 50 turns, depending on how much damage and healing takes place. That would never happen in crawl. Either you'd kill it in a few turns, or it would kill you in a few turns.
an engagement against a completely harmless enemy can drag out in crawl

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Took an eternity to find Gareth, the last Camelot unique. Character getting buff.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19791

>>159000546
some nice randarts there

You can one-shot the the post endgame boss in ToME4 without even having the ability that specifically makes you one-shot him.

Can you fuck up your pet in Elona with careless gene engineering or would fusing a bunch of shit onto it at random to train your skill have no long term bad effects?

Assume I'm only adding skills, not body parts.

>>159000546
What about the questing beast?

Probably don't want to find it, I think it breathes nexus.

>>159001185
Ah yeah good point. I did see it on Gareth's level but I walked away because I wasn't wearing any of my rNexus gear.

not tonight...

>>159001185
also I actually forgot it's camelot-only

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Extreme roguelike novice here, starting run on Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup for your entertainment and so that I learn how to enjoy these games. Want to play big barbarian type dude and not mess with magic since it'll probably be simpler, which race?

>>159001031
Just use a throwaway pet if you want that sweet skill exp.

>>159001031

Skills added via gene engineering are never a bad effect unless maybe the special skills/traits that require AP.

>>159001697
Vinestalker Fighter. Pick unarmed.

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>>159001793
And so my journey begins.

>>159001697
C E N T A U R
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>>159001905
Hit m. Press /. Turn on UC til 8, and then do some shields. After that, fighting 6, armour 4, dodging 4. After that, more UC and shields until UC is around 12-14 and shields is 12~. That'll get you an ok build.

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Lot's of statues, but describe just says "the floor" so I guess they're not special.

>>159001925
Next run.

>>159002064
I think I did it right? I dunno. Continuing for now.

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>>159001697
>>159001905
>>159002220

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Bats seem like aids, but I've now killed some things! Two bats and a giant cockroach. Gonna go down stairs later, figure it's probably better to clear this floor first.

>>159002220
he's tellin you to do 100% unarmed combat

although if you're a complete newbie you can just leave the thing on auto mode and ignore it -- it won't generally be as good but it's one less thing to think about/learn for a beginner

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Killed a kobold, came into this room. It seems spooky. Backing down tunnel that lead there but they are chasing me.

>>159002441
Set it to that for now then I guess, just turned everything else off.

how do you pronounce Angamaite of Umbar's name

Well fed seems to be a rather niche modifier while chthonic is good on many demons. So far well fed python seems to be gaining popularity.

>>159002564
Don't use auto, it'll really cripple this particular character for a while. You'll be hungry for exp and need to get your melee attack up to speed before you can invest other stuff.

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They kept chasing me, but I was able to dispatch them one at a time in the tunnel. The rat seems retarded, but I also would've walked into a ball of fire if the game didn't warn me.

Holy shit I didn't think mana vipers would be so good. I got the demonspawn vault in Orc:2 and once I reached the core I just needed to lure them one by one and let the mana vipers eat them alive. Literally haven't found anything so far that survives two mana vipers at once

>>159003010
2 mana vipers can kill anything so long as you help them.

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Killed some stuff, found and put on chain mail. Seemed better.

>>159002857
that rat ain't retarded

eventually if you wait long enough it'll kill that bush, which will let it get out and attack you

and then it'll instantly die because rats are pathetically weak

>>159002857
It seems that ATM the rats try to chew through the bushes to get to you. You could help them

>>159002728
wut
I'm literally the only person to have done that fusion and soul armor.
Also Well Fed is secretly dog shit because it nukes your speed and gives no resists.

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Leveled up, got stronger.

>>159003151
>>159003152
Ah. That makes sense. I'll go back after probably.

>>159003162
I figure that it is only good for demons that have tank qualities in the first place, or for making some faster demons have a little more general durability.

>>159003338
Yea. It's actually good on Python, you can just turn him into a veil tank basically and his speed won't matter at all

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Found a fancy hat and put it on. +1 is +1 to AC I assume?
Finished exploring floor, went back to finish rats and lizard off and am now on second floor.

>>159003306
Take in mind things don't really get serious on crawl until D:4 which is when ogres, hounds, orc priests, gnoll packs and other stuff which can probably kill you starts showing up, unless you get horrendous luck with uniques. There's people that even skip D:1

>>159003553
Yes. Helmets also have an inherent +1 AC regardless of enchantment (there are mutations that don't allow you to wear helmets but allow hats).

>>159003534
I figure it would be good on a gi too, which I suspect has the biggest HP gains by default in the game.

>>159003553
Use the scale over the chainmail. You lose too much EV.

>>159003586
Do these people enjoy being raped by Sigmund around D3?

>>159003884
Like a lot of xtreme turncount speedrun strats it relies on rng being nice until you become a tabbeast who doesn't need to think before acting

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Found amulet, not sure if I should put it on or not. Should I use these scrolls? Not sure the chance of good vs. bad.

>>159003586
I'm taking it slow, this is my second time playing.

>>159003823
Put it back on.

>>159004021
real-time*

>>159004093
Read stacks of 2+ scrolls. Do not quaff potions unless you have to, and then only quaff the highest stack. Don't put on the amulet until you have remove curse ID'd, or use a scroll of ID on it.

>>159004093
No, you may get an amulet of harm by wear-IDing, and since the dev who added it is an obsessive fuck who refuses to admit his item is shit, it'll drain you to absolute shit if you take it off and there's no way to prevent it

Apparently now it does +30% damage and makes you take "only" 20% more, which is another way of saying "guys please use my amulet it's cool and tactical"

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>>159004368
Followed this advice. Also put on a bitchin' cape.

I've been occasionally dabbling in DCSS since (I think) 0.13 but never in any way seriously until now so I'm still bit of a noob.

Last few times I've been banised from Orc:1 straigt to Abyss:2 where I've been eventually mobbed and fucked up the ass. Any advice on how better to look for an exit in such a situation?

>>159001905
>Not picking MiBe
Anon

>>159004527
Its tricky to say, since it depends on what your character was and the terrain of where you were. In the future, prioritize MR if you can help it since it'll help a lot vs. banishment. Trog's hand is a great go to for such a situation. As for the abyss, the best approach is a stealthy exit or more recently, a very violent last stand. Killing the dudes opens portals out now.

>>159004782
Vs is way more fun than Mi, not nearly as mindless, and still not very hard

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All this cool gear that is unidentified :(

What armor type should I go for? Or just best enchant?

>>159004782
I dunno what that means.

>>159004901
Minotaur Berserker. One of the easiest starting combinations

>>159004880
Big barbarian dude that doesn't mess with magic is the definition of MiBe

>>159004840
Thanks, anon.

Here's the bin of the first time it happened: http://pastebin.com/f8Cpi4k9

Is there any way to get into the "veins of treasure" as a mage in PCB?

Haven't played since 15.0

How fucked is Necromancer since then?

>>159004901
Just wear ID and read ID you big coward

>>159005162
buy a shovel/pick from the shop

spoiler: it's worth practically nothing, you're better off selling equipment

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Found some boots, exploring floor 3.


>>159005284
IDK what that means.

>>159005451
Read and put on all your shit

And drink your potions

>>159005451
Identifying by wearing/reading/other usage

>>159005546
Good luck with mutations, poison, degeneration, amulet of harm, etc
I also ID all this shit by using

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On floor 4 now.

Weird stairs to floor 5.

Taking break to do Kara in WoW. Will continue later probably.

>>159005939
>weird stairs to floor 5
heh

>>159005086
Your mistake here was using a large shield with 0 shield skill. Only use shields if you have the skill for them. 4 for bucklers, 10-15~ for normal shields. Don't use large unless you're a formicid/ogre/troll. Otherwise, trog's hand would have saved you 100% had you used it against the ogre mage. You looked pretty good otherwise, except for armour is too heavily invested. Fighting and dodging over armour, everytime.

>>159006216
I didn't use it, it was just there in my inventory. Thanks for the advice otherwise

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Cavalry update: yes, it is possible to rodeo ancient dragons at clvl 28

There's a really low success rate though. I think this was attempt #3 after two other dragons where I spam-failed rodeos until i was halfish hp and then teleported away to safety

>>159005162
the real treasure is the potions of resist heat/cold
they drop in huge piles (way more than you'll need) and they sell for a relatively large amount of gold

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i feel like i always either do quests way too early or way too late

my mount could probably solo this thing

>>159006927
That quest has no loot and a worthless reward so there's no reason to do it if there's any risk.

Which is the problem with a lot of the quests, really.

>>159007484
not to mention 2/3 of the dungeons

>>159007724
not to mention 99% of the wilderness

>>159007898
makes me feel bloated just thinking about it

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>>159007484
well it lets you get at the next quest after it

but yeah, i usually just do quests for the sake of doing quests and end up splatting or spending way too many resources on them

and i'm actually using the ring that i got as the quest reward reward -- it was one of only two sources of acid resist i've found all game, and i just put on both of them to kill Ubbo

>teleport
>You leave a trap detected zone.
>The nexus hound breathes at you.
>You enter a trap detected zone.
t-thanks

Who here drinking, listening to /sad/ and tabbing your way through the dungeon while crying?

>>159008306
>well it lets you get at the next quest after it
Which also isn't very useful unless you have the phial already and are going for the randart.
>it was one of only two sources of acid resist i've found all game
You can buy elemental resist rings in the magic shop. Helpful for doom quest 1 too.

Though I've died on that stupid death sword quest more than I'd like to admit, so I'm hardly one to talk here.

>>159008602
man i never die to the deathsword quest

but i have frequently splatted magicy types on the dark elven lord quest when i realize that i don't have enough mana to do it all in one go and i don't have enough stealth to rest up and get mana back


and conveniently enough, Ubbo dropped the Phial so i'm heading right back there for muh randart

How can I incorporate /rlg/ into my nanowrimo this year?

>>159008856
>nanowrimo
the /lit/ guy inside me wants to fucking kill you.
im kidding, i'm glad you want to write something.
maybe write about mumo's quest

>>159008856
nanowrimo?

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>antimagic
real fuckin' neato
antimagic is gr8 on non-magic classes

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pretty nice options to have
Randart sting with high to-dam and vampirism on a sacred vitality character, getting plenty of blows with a rDark+rShards+HoldLife shield, versus HUGE AXE with no shield and no vampirism but yes having HUGE AXE.

Probably I'll carry axe as a swap vs things it slays and vs nonliving things that I cannot vamp from, and default to using the Sting. I can also use the axe with the shield of course, but the last 5% shards isn't huge and so mostly I'd just gain 10% rDark at the cost of a lot of damage.

>+32 speed
>suitable for riding
holy shit i want this

he's a unique though so i'll probably want to come back later at a higher level to really wrangle him

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>>159010115
whoops forgot img

>>159009538
i would use sting 24/7 just to not have to deal with inventory fuckery

Needle Shot -> Arrow Shot -> Harpoon Throw?

I think there are still some 100 power attacks that have yet to be added. It is noteworthy that some of such abilities are not available in any of the modifiers that aren't from uniques.

>>159010231
basically yes except I'm thinking of trying to pick some big demons in Arena while carrying a scroll of genocide

not tonight though, this is a decision for restedness

DCSS, D:3
A ghost, Dowan and Duvessa and an ogre come from opposite sides of the same corridor. No scrolls of teleportation or boosting potions.

FFS

>>159010316
You came to the wrong dungeon, friendo

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>>159010115
>>159010231
oh cavalry? cool

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>>159010414
not a centaur though :(

Is PCB the worst roguelike? The interface is so awful and repetitive

>>159010520
Poly into one.

>>159010231

Ehh. I've seen better Greater Wyrms than that unique.

>>159010572
>repetitive interface
Boi.

>>159010738
yeah but there isn't anything that good at level 40

although i think being a unique makes it as difficult to tame as a level 60 nonunique, so maybe it's not really that great

>>159010572
*bands are basically unfinished prototypes of an actual game. They're all in a perpetual beta stage and expect you to do all the macros and minor adjustments to make them playable.

If they had decent documentation this would be fine, but instead of a readme or an FAQ or a wiki, instead it's all questionable ingame help.

>>159010970
hey pcb's ingame help is pretty good

is it possible for a cavalry to ride the unicorn of order

they definitely couldn't rodeo it, but is it possible to charm through other methods?

>>159011356

You could try using a pokeball on it...

>>159011356
There's the aphrodite demigod ability, though whether that can work either I don't know.

Does cult of personality make ridable pets? Can anyone even summon the unicorn (maybe nodens?) Would it even have a chance of working?

>>159011392
Doesn't work on uniques.

>>159011040
Not searchable, arbitrarily organized, doesn't explicitly aid player efficiency, and often refers to editing text documents because for some reason *bands aren't yet capable of saving options independently of characters ingame. PCB would have hundreds more players if it had an FAQ of "Here's what you should macro if you want to play X class" and "how to inscribe equipment for dummies," because these aren't things you just pick up from playing other games. The fact that they're buried in ingame help certainly doesn't make it any easier.

Crawl 19.0 is out, though the download page isn't updated (I manually edited the 18.1 download link to 19.0, waddya know, it worked!)

http://crawl.develz.org/release/stone_soup-0.19.0-tiles-win32.zip

>>158952920
A guy had a 43 win streak. You tell me if crawl is easy.

>>159012590

>This one guy can do it so this game is easy

>>159012590
Crawl is easy to the degree that you wish to play a perfect game every time.

>>159011356
>riding the unicorn of faggotry and not a zombified serpent of chaos
lmaoing at you lawful good losers.

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>>158979876
Pretty easily to be honest.

>>158980631
More vaults, more interaction via terrain and other features. Puzzles, subquests and shit help too.

In general, shit like an elbereth archer in Sil or a pacifist is some pretty dope shit.

>>158986398
Take apart car batteries for lead or just forge lead. having to disassemble fridges for copper tubing is more obnoxious.

>>159001031
If it would add a limb, it can. Either being a limb you don't want or pushing the pet over 13 slots which gives a speed penalty. If it doesn't add a limb you're fine.

>>159004368
Dunno if you've been gone too long but they really evened out the drops. It's not too uncommon now to have 4 flight, 5 degen, 3 mutation, 1 HW, and 1 curing now pretty far into the game.

>>159005162
Your strength is pretty low for just a +1 digging shovel or pick to be much good. And even then, the gold is drastically worse than just going deeper into the dungeon until packs start regularly dropping items you can sell for 5,6,8,10,20k+ each which would otherwise be mining out 3 or 4 floors for 20 minutes and getting near-ganked by respawns in the process.

>>159013117
The streaks page make's it pretty clear.

>>159013964
Is there a way to look at the distributions without sifting through source code? I know mutation and some of the bad muts have shifted, but I was still under the assumption that the highest stacks still had a good chance to be curing.

>>159013390
J himself is ridable (but impossible to tame because he is a quest target)

for some reason, however, zomboJ is not ridable

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Is there a charcter stronger than the Serpent of Chaos? And I'm not talking about Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos either. Hell, Im not even talking about Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos with +55 speed. I'm also not talking about Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos with +55 speed having summoned a pack of Greater Cyber Wyrm Angel Daeom Lichs. Neither am I talking about Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos with +55 speed having summoned a pack of Greater Cyber Wyrm Angel Daeom Lichs with the Plain Gold Ring blocking the stairs and also casting Mana storm at incredible hihg speeds. I'm not even going to mention Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos with +55 speed having summoned a pack of Greater Cyber Wyrm Angel Daeom Lichs with the Plain Gold Ring blocking the stairs and also casting Mana storm at incredible hihg speeds with a summoned Dio stopping time allowing the Serpent of Chaos, Morgoth and Plain Gold Ring cast Mana Storm even more. NO. I'm talking about Double Mana-Storm Serpent of Chaos with +55 speed having summoned a pack of Greater Cyber Wyrm Angel Daeom Lichs with the Plain Gold Ring blocking the stairs and also casting Mana storm at incredible hihg speeds with a summoned Dio stopping time allowing the Serpent of Chaos, Morgoth and Plain Gold Ring cast Mana Storm even more with rocket spam while breathing chaos with The Destroyer breathing disintegration, destroying all scrolls of genocide, teleportation, and recall

>>159014079
Gotta dig.

>>159013964
>Your strength is pretty low for just a +1 digging shovel or pick to be much good. And even then, the gold is drastically worse than just going deeper into the dungeon until packs start regularly dropping items you can sell for 5,6,8,10,20k+ each which would otherwise be mining out 3 or 4 floors for 20 minutes and getting near-ganked by respawns in the process.

basically the only time i do the ol' "mine out level 1" thing is if i pick a class that's just awful at xp level 1
level 1 high mage of hex has only a 1d4 dagger and a wand of magic missiles -- they don't get an offensive spell until level 5, and their proficiencies with weapons are so bad that many will have a 0% chance to hit. normally i buy a sling to rely on for damage until then
level 1 mirror-master is nearly as bad, but they get their damage spell at level 2 instead of 5 so it's much less painful

>>159014203
Trip, Mario, Jimmy Neutron, and others would slap his shit.

>>159014264
True, it's pretty fun to do a snotling tourist and embrace your doshmancy heritage

>>159014203
disintegration doesnt destroy inventory items though

and chaos only does if you don't resist it
maybe you need double resist though idk

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>>159014203

>level 1
>fall into shaft
>at bottom be dumped into a room with 2 snek and a Sigmund
INTERESTING TACTICAL SITUATIONS

>>159014594

Crawl gets easier with every patch

>>159014594
>fall into shaft
ASK ME HOW I know you faulted

i mean technically with bad enough rng the serpent could instantly kill anyone with energyrandomization double turn hand of doom with double fail-to-resist and double high damage roll

it checks MR but then does 40-60% of your MAX HP as damage

>>159014763
How the fuck is that player's fault since Traps&Doors was removed?

>>159014998
>not manually keeping track of every single tile you step on to reduce chances of running into a trap

>>159015157
And how would you know if the tile is trapped or not? Do you avoid every corridor?

>>159015287
there's quite a lot of backtracking in crawl

keeping track of every explored tile doesn't eliminate the chance of traps but it significantly reduces it, because you will only have to step on known-safe tiles when backtracking instead of new tiles with new potential traps

>>159015384
Fair point about backtracking. What about exploring?

>>159015436

You can't.

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Kara has been cleared, and I'm back.

Almost died to a bear, but got two Royal jelly for killing him. They just appear to be food though, which is disappointing.

>>159015436
>doesn't eliminate the chance of traps but it significantly reduces it
exploring is the non-eliminated part of course

>>159014594
Make papa proud and fight to survive mortal!


>>159015436
>>159015287
search walk and macro marking exclusions

>>159015616

>exclusions
>implying you're even given a time to exclude once you've stepped on a trap

>>159015704
Search walk op. Use two macros, 1 for single search, 1 for double search

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>>159015616
>search
ha-ha, nice meme friend

the devil's team removed that feature for our own good long ago, praise be unto them

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Got teleported into a room of baddies, but fought them off easily. Found a couple scrolls, so gonna find out what MUEPHWAK does.

>>159015760
i hope you get to experience the scroll of immolation

>>159015745
Search, wait, it's the same shit after they nuked traps and doors

>>159015760
MUEPHWAK casts fireball on all enemies in view. It's bretty gud

>>159015850
yes and the player only ever gets one chance to notice a trap now, so spending extra turns waiting near it won't help

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It was identify!
Most of the loot sucked though. The amulets both blow hard.

>>159015890
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Fucking Devil's Team

>>159015890
Now that's interesting and tactical.

Now they only need to realize it's a bad idea to have this without a script that allows pathfinding using the least number of tiles not known to be untrapped.

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All was going well until this fat fuck came to ruin my day. Smacked me for 20 damage, not sure if I can outrun him or if I need to chug a potion and hope.
Advice?

>>159016087
you are the same speed as almost everything, although there is a bit of speed randomization so sometimes it will get a free turn on you and sometimes you will get a turn on it

if you do manage to get a turn on it and make 1 tile of space between you (which will probably happen if you run for long enough), you can use an up staircase to get away for free

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Fucked up screenshot. Successfully led the ogre through a teleport trap to get away though!

>>159016087
Well, ideally you were supposed to straight up run in the first place. Make a dash over to that blue teleport trap

>>159016445
Keep in mind, your Shield value is still low, your ac value is still low, a nd both of them with insufficient skill is butchering your ev so low accuracy high damage attacks like ogres with a giant spiked club, cyclops, death yaks, dire elephants, etc will shove your shit in.

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He found me again a couple of seconds after dragging him through the teleport trap, but I had enough of a gap to juke him by using stairs!

Also, the stairs down changed.

>>159016679
if you pressed x and moved the cursor over that stair earlier you would have seen that it was "the entrance to an ossuary"

that wasn't the way to the next floor, it was a bonus level

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Opinions on 2D platformer Rougelikes

And recommendations

Found a temple thing, with a ton of altars. Can't figure out how to pray/donate or interact with them though, what's the button?

>>159016793
RIP bonus level. Are they hard/worth it normally?

>>159016794
Greatest of all time

https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983

>>159016827
ossuaries and sewers are usually worth it

ice caves and volcanos can be more dangerous, particularly if you don't have the associated elemental resistance

>>159016827
It used to be 'p'ray. Might be <, > or whatever retarded key they shoved it into now.

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Forgot pic. This is temple. Gonna spend a while reading the descriptions of the gods before choosing. The key for stairs worked to interact.

>>159016978
Best of luck.
Xom, Okawaru, Trog, Ru, Cheibriados, yredelemnul, and makhleb are all low investment solid synergy choices choices

Xom (0,3,6,9) seems like memes.

Gozag (1,4,7) seems like a easy benefit with no real drawback, but I haven't seen a shop before.

Fedhas Madash (2,5,8) seems like the way to go for RP and like he could be decently useful.

Thoughts? If no responses going with the roll according to numbers above.

>>159017224
the gozag downside is that he turns everything you kill into gold, which as you might know isn't edible
so you'll have to subsist on rations and whatnot rather than meat butchered from the corpses of your enemies
gozag, in his infinite generosity, will allow you to pay him to create a food shop where you can then pay him to buy food

fedhas is strong if you make use of his powers, but i hope you like herding mushrooms

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>>159017224
>RP

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>>159017607
I see. I'll deal with food when I need it!

>>159017678
:(

Ogre chased me down to level 5. Feeling pretty spooked.

>>159017678
Kill yourself

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>>159017224
Xom kind of is. he's just as likely to teleport you into a fight as he will teleport you out of one. Buff you or buff an enemy. Summon allies to fight for you or enemies to fight you. His gifts range from pizza and evocations rods and wands to amazing randarts. He generally gives you good mutations that accumulate through the game and despite the removal of the resist mutation amulets meaning a lot will get malmutate spell'd off of you in endgame, xom is still basically turning your body into an amazing random artifact. Xom's an amazing god but like he occasionally tells you, you will have to fight to survive and above all, keep the faith in Papa Xom.

The jew has his moments, even if it's expensive and gets worse with repeated use, potion petition can often save your bacon. The gold dazzling helps. And shops, while rng can pay off immensely though their benefit is often proportional to how flexible your build is.

Fedhas isn't all that bad as long as you're willing you use invocations. Sunlight gives you a ghetto See invisible and increases accuracy solely for food. Wandering mushrooms are basically tower defense: the game. But the Hit Dice (accuracy) is linked to your invocations and they start to fall off by vaults where they just get chewed up. Reproduction lets you kill something at range with a wand of launcher then explode the group with an AoE confusion attack which you then evolve the thingers for a PBAoE or make shrooms on the spot. Since fruit is now all one item it's much less painful to rarely drop some Oklobs to basically be acid turrets for you. Fire rate is linked to invocs.

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Heard some slurping noises then found a slimy rapier .///.

Got a couple more duplicate scrolls, time to play that game!

Should I identify the bow? Not sure if it's worth using bows for ranged or just punching people is better.

>>159018034
THE SLIMY RAPIER IS A MIMIC SLIME. GO DROP IT IN A ROOM, CLOSE THE DOOR AND RUN. RUNRUNRUNRUNRUN!

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This good to follow >>159002064 's advice?
Scrolls were teleport and recharge, but teleport didn't fuck me over.

>>159018139
Did this because I wasn't using it anyways.

>>159018034
Just punch. There's not a lot of fat xp wise on UC builds. Especially if you don't find good transmutations for better damage and have good combat apts.

If you want, a bows high elf arcane marksman/hunter or centaur hunter can get you an intro to launcher combat. Slings are basically ranged short blade rapiers. Fairly fast but low damage that has trouble bypassing AC later in the game. Bows are basically ranged top tier 1-handed weapons. Still have trouble breaking AC later in the game but they're still somewhat fast and don't need as much xp. Crossbows are ranged great maces/giant spiked clubs. And while they're slow and need a lot of xp with limited ammo in the early/midgame they're powerful as fug. They can also generate with the penetration brand that turns the bolt from a projectile into a piercing beam of damage. They can be exceedingly useful if you find a good one early on. Especially randarts and standarts. Otherwise, they're arguably inferior to evocations as the players choice for support due to evo's wider range of effects than launcher's superior single target damage instead of getting more defense or weapon near the end of the midgame

>>159018398
I don't think you need that much shield since you could only go to 11 or 12 and get a bunch more ac or ev for the same cost. You'll definitely want to get near 15 uc though. Death yak's have 9ac and without having any transmutations to boost your damage nor invulerable defenses you'll have a hard time with death yak's. I'd recommend just running from hydras too

>>159018398
It'd be safe to get more shields at this point. The reason why I want you to prioritize that in your build is that more UC = stronger blows but also more frequent blows. This is where UC shines for vinestalkers, since their bite is a proc attack based on how often they attack. Faster attacks = more bites! but using a shield without the skill to wield it slows down your attacks, so you want to get it higher. Also, shields are really busted with vinestalkers since you'll block enough blows for your HP/MP to regenerate from bites.

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Cleared floor 5, am now on 6! Some gloves to greet me right away!

>>159018564
>>159018581
Most of that went over my head, but I'm gonna leave it as is for awhile, then knock shield to normal and put unarmed back on.

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Early into the floor this guy showed up. Looks like I should run from him, yeah? Do I need to use a teleport scroll or just run to stairs and come down somewhere else?

>>159018751
If it said he had a whip of electrocution run, that can do a lot of damage per hit

Stairs if the frog isn't raping you

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I ran. The frog followed me but met his end. I also got better teeth! Makes the bite thing stronger I'm guessing.

>>159017224
Fucking rollers get out of my board REEEEEEE

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Went back down, found a wand of lighting then a centaur appeared and started mowing me down. Gonna ambush him at this corner.

Can I use the wand to kill pig man?

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Killed a bunch of stuff at that corner/room. Got some loot! Need more identify scrolls though.

Should I use the one I have on the hat or ring?

>>159019050
It's a crapshoot. It only has so much range so you have to be close/adjacent with good positioning to bizap (shoot the lightning through him and into a wall in a way that it bounces through him on the bounce). and even then, you have no evocations skill so the accuracy and power is shit. You don't have to kill him, just run.

You can wear-id most equipment. You're likely to have found 1 remove curse scroll. If you already have and used it, don't wear=id until you get another

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Bad things happen. Very scared.

Will begin by looking for way up.

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Worked my way back up one floor, but had a train of enemies following me. Will still try to work back up to relative safety.

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A hippogriph (red name) chased me back up to 7 from 8, but this looks promising! I'm also only one floor from where I was before!

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Floor seven turned ugly fast!
Gonna hafta teleport and hope for an area with stairs up.

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Teleport went well.

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It turned nasty again, but I think I can run away from these gnolls.

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Back to floor seven, where I meet Blork the Orc.

Can I kill him? A vampiric halberd sounds threatening, but his name is only yellow.

>>159019909
Christ dude, I appreciate your enthusiasm but no one gives a shit about every minor facet of your D:6 tab character.

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>>159019984
And play something at least somewhat interesting like PCB

>>159019984
fucking rude

>>159019984
Shh anon
It's a grill
Ley her post maybe she'll let us see her orbs of flesh

>>159020115
At this rate the entirety of the thread's images are gonna be his.

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>>159020163

>she'll let us see her orbs of flesh

I get to compare between our runed doors?

>>159019984
Anon no he's gonna spam pony porn if you upset him

>>159020239
This has actually happened before. Some Crawl tileshitter always takes over the thread by spamming every step of his run. But the thread is pretty dead so whatever

>>159019984
I do. It's nice seeing crawl from the eyes of a newbie. Just say you don't like it instead of being a pathic bitch claiming "no one" does.

>>159020239
Well darn, you're right. Whatever shall we do once we're out of images. They'll forever spead of 11-1-2016. The day the Ancient fould Arrelgean Curse dried up all unposted images until the end of eternity.

>>159020334
I think the general rule for posting images should be:
1) Am I in danger and do I need help?
2) Is this an interesting and tactical situation (shafted 3 floors down next to Sigmund and ijib with a wand of acid/ sauron in the icky caves)?
3) Did something funny/unusual just happen?
4) Did I find a crazy artifact?
5) am I new and have I reached a milestone in (game) (again for dcss grabbing a rune)?
6)Is it a tumtum?

>>159020573
Or people just post whatever teh fuck they want

>>159020573
>REMOV IMAGEPOST
thanks crawldev, but nothanks

>>159020478
>spamming images is good
I'm all for newbies coming in but this is literally the roguelike equivalent of taking pictures of your food and putting them on a news channel.

>>159020776
>Spam
Kill yourself. At least he's doing something that's roguelikes.

>>159020824
Rude. You're here arguing about me instead of playing roguelikes. Meanwhile I am actually playing ADoM but don't feel the need to spam the thread with pictures of me killing hobgoblins.
I suggest you reconsider your life choices.

>>159020824
>he

good job you assholes you scared him off

>>159020926
And i'm playing forays irritated that you're such a faggot. Like I said, at least he's doing something that's roguelikes.

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>>159020996
Nah, I just stopped posting for a bit so that the one faggot had a chance to get his panties unbunched and realize that the thread is dead anyways.

Also, I found a cool place.

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>>159020824
>>159020926

But Crawl and ADoM are not real roguelikes??

>>159021102
Adom is, crawl isnt thanks to felids

Is there class-tier list for PCB?

>>159021040
You've gone too far, barneyfag.

>>159021169
Just play whatever is fun for you, pcb isnt about winning

>>159021201
But PCB isn't about fun, it's about grind and tedium and spamming wands of rockets with any class to kill the serpent

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Seems like experience in a bottle? When will I be able to take the elementals?

>>158990565

Not true at all. You only need 120 hours to get to Act 3 and that's already considered endgame.

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Labyrinth adventure, Y/N?

No clue how scary they are, but a scroll of magic mapping should get rid of any maze type issues.

>>159021795
Yes
You cant use magic mapping inside labyrinth

>>159021795
Go ahead, minotaur is a bit of a scrub. Though don't rely on magic mapping there

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are we done with the cacaposting
can we go back to roguelikes
what is your favorite roguelike
mine is dynahack
it has pretty colors and pretty ascii and none of nethack's bullshit
also hyper futa mare dicks
I also still like adom even though the tiles are crap and the music is shit and the obligatory different key press every time you start a game
It has some neat concepts and it was my first roguelike I prefer roguelikes with an overworld to just dungeon crawlers
Lately I've been thinking that having stating elements like towns in the same place with the same characteristics (ADoM, IVAN etc) has the chance to breed exploits (IVAN is a prime example where you can win the game by simply walking in and killing the BBEG with the right item combo at the start of the game
What do you think? Do you prefer roguelikes with some degree of static features like towns or do you prefer a completely random game that's never the same each time?
Do you like Rls with an overworld or without?

>>159021169
not really
there's a ton of different classes and you can play new ones just to experience different gameplay

rlg loves its monks of nature

classes to avoid if you dont want to be shit at everything:
-sniper: spend 7 turns charging up to do a single shot that does 2 turns worth of normal-Archer damage, WAOW
-tourist/archaeologist: joke classes, intentionally weak i think
-highmage of hex: hmm lets put make a spell school focused on weird melee buffs, but make it only available to a class that's extremely shit at melee
-rage-mage (kinda neat though even though they're bad)
-devicemaster: for wands/rods/staves magic-eater is just better. scrollmaster is kinda useless. maybe potionmaster can work?

Oh hey we were already back on track
I should refresh while writing

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Speaking of Elona+, how exactly do I fit 100% of my BG correctly? It's not showing properly and it's triggering me

Proper DBZ roguelike when