/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

Keisuke did nothing wrong.

First for Shocking the Monkey

>>158781207
I'm glad I let him die.

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>>158781248
Forgot your pic.

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ITS HITLER
OH SNAP ITS HITLER

Where can I recruit Abaddon in SMTIV Apocalypse? I remember encountering him not too long ago but I can't remember where.

https://youtu.be/zlJrEwEMIpM

Who remembers this antiquated meme

>>158781586
>Kaga isn't your partner in IVA
She was perfect.

>>158781751
>Who remembers when G4 was good
No one

>>158781751
>Sheen Mee-Gah-Mei Ten-Say Nocturne

Maybe I should get my mom into Sheen Mee-Gah-Mei Ten-Say Nocturne too

>>158781751
Mind giving some explanation of this?

And where do I send my email to vote for Shin Megami Tensay Noctourne?

>>158782159
>imblying its not sheen

>>158782240
Old G4 skit

>side with friends in 2nd playthrough
>battle with Dagda is power of friendship bullshit
>defeat him

>reset and go massacre again
How does anyone do bonds? The writing is really fucking bad.

>>158769001
bretty good. Bought my first gun today.

>>158783741
It's not like you have a good option, power of friendship vs autism.

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>this is what lawfags actually believe

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>You, who live a transient life, accept this Life Stone.

>>158784921
i just like jonathan because he's motherly and sweet and i have a boner for gentle characters

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>>158781921
>Kaga isn't your partner in IVA
Yamai has truly forsaken us.

>>158788073
toki is the reincarnation of kaga dumbass

>>158788136
Toki is "We want the lolicon audience".
Fuck Toki. I want Occult Flash back.

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>>158781708
second

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>thought I'd hate Toki
>dark blade
>sneak attack
>instakills

I love doggo more but damn she's fine too. Hard to hate her.

>>158788898
>>158781708
Why not just fuse one?
IV makes this shit so straightforward and simple there isn't even any real need to recruit demons in the field.

At the Cosmic Egg. 4 decides my True MegaTen

>>158789178
Navarre.

>>158789178
gaston

>>158789178
Navarre.

>>158789178
The great Navarre

>>158789178
Asahi has the best scenes

>>158789178
Reset and go Bonds.

>>158789178
Gaston

>>158789178
Nozomi

>>158784072
Nice
What you get

>>158789178
Navarre time.

>>158789178
Toki

>>158789178
Jiminez.

Just beat SMT2. Persona 2 or SJ next?

>>158789178
Gaston

>>158789178
>all these 1 off posts
Doggo.

>>158789178
DOG.

>>158789178
All of them

>>158789178>>158789246
>>158789323
>>158789338
>>158789526
This has gone on long enough. Make it so.

>>158789178
Toki or dog

>>158781708
Both times it appears in encounters is working for the angels(in Tsukiki Kongangi and Camp Ichigaya), so you can't recruit it that way. You have to evolve a Wild Hunt or fuse a Fury(i.e. Beiji Weng) with a Fallen. Alciel with a Reaper will also work.

Alciel and a bunch of fallens are available to recruit in Camp Ichigaya. I think Wild Hunt was in Ikebukuro or the west part of the world map, forget which.

>>158789178
The magnificent Gaston.

>>158789178
Navarre or Gaston

>>158789914
I hope you enjoy making people suffer you fucking prick

>>158789914
SPLENDID

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>>158790070
People who fish for gets and (you)s deserve to suffer.

>>158789914
That's SIR Gaston to you

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>>158789178
isabeau

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>tfw SNES smt games are fun but so slow and have to speed them up.

Anyone else feel the same? Playing through mt1 and its fun and all cuz fusing and recruiting demons and exploring dungeons is my jam but fuck. Its not even that slow compared to most jrpgs just slow to SMT.

>>158789510
Tuares M8. Shoots 38 speicial. Light and very portable and comfortable and easy to hide for conceal carry. Gotta kill my friends some way

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>>158790595
welcome to the club
We had a whole thread talk about how our friends are such casuals or how they're complete shitters

Anyone watching PinkPajamas do Hard TDE speedruns of Nocturne on Twitch?
He's über autistic but I never get tired of watching Nocturne anything

>>158790595
Just finished SMTI and II, made liberal use of the fast forward button and don't regret it at all.

>>158790862
I was there.
One of my friends love to talk about smt yet has never beaten one. I just want a Irl friend to talk with SMT with.

>>158788136
>young
>flat
>shit costume
>Edgy assassin loli rather than a monk who can somehow fight inside a demon's stomach
No.

>>158791054
she didnt fight inside wangmus stomach
kaga literally allahu ackbard inside wangmu

>>158790862
how would Nakajima and Stephen react if they saw eachother? Would Nakajima be Dark neutral?

>>158791134
That only makes her better.

>>158791181
Basing off the OVA, yeah

>>158791054
>monk who can somehow fight inside a demon's stomach
Hnng. Muh World of Strength.

Also, I think that they were supposed to be swallowed whole. Only way it really makes sense.

>>158788136
That's not confirmed, is it? I did all the routes and picked Toki as my goddess and never thought of that.

>>158791181
>In the OVA, Nakajima essentially started summoning demons in order to get back at school bullies
>>158791380
Very much so.

>>158791380
>>158791648
>>158791648
Stephen would be what? light neutral? neutral neutral? I never played nine so I dont know how that shit works.

Making a dnd SMT-esque game and been thinking about this alot

>>158791648
>>158791181
Steven would strangle Nakajima, and he would accept his death by cripple.

>>158791785
N/N Maybe. Ask someone who played the 4:A DLC for how Steven was characterized as a boss.

Hero might be L/N

>>158791785
Basing off of a lot of 1, 4, 4A and a little bit of 2

Completely neutral

>>158791785
Pure Neutral. He's certainly not a Dark figure but his motives and actions are dubious enough that he's not Light.

The Light to Dark spectrum when applied to demon races is less about actual morality and more about how they're viewed in mythology. YHVH is Light despite being often treated as an antagonist, and Lucifer is Dark despite not being so bad in some games.

Is it possible to reach Reverse Hills as Nanashi? There's a wraith wall blocking the way, but I can't reach it before Navarre runs out of energy.

>>158792782
I read there is some walls you just can't open up on the higher difficulties. They reduced the time you get on the higher difficulties and didn't test all of them. Drop the difficulty down to the lowest and you will get shitloads of extra time

>>158792981
The only one I can think of you can't get to on War is the one in basement of midtown and that leads to absolutely nothing anyways, I figured they probably just placed it there since that area isn't used for anything in Apoc

Just got Almighty battle plans. Should I give them to Satan to boost him to +9 or to Metatron to boost him to +7?

>>158793236
>The only one I can think of you can't get to on War is the one in basement of midtown

I actually got that one on War, no joke (didn't know difficulty affected the time navarre can use the dagger actually)

Am I a messiah, /smtg/?

>you get a floating magic dagger on massacre
Jesus christ is that all navarre was? Comic relief? Dagda could've done the same thing navarre has been doing all his afterlife.

>>158793418
He's also the most supportive character and is helpful in battle.

>>158793357
Literally how, I tried for quite a while before looking up if I just missed a closer spot. Turns out I didn't and it was the difficulty

>>158793418
The floating dagger also fires instantly instead of Navarre doing his little animation. Dagda was right that your friends are only holding you back.

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I remember this scene from the DDS OVA.

I am thinking of starting to farm for Fiends in IV, any tips for making this easier or even the mechanics on how to properly spawn them?

>>158793553
I suppose but who really uses navarre endgame? The buffs and abilities the rest of everyone feels better than anything he can provide.

>>158793609
If I remember right you use the Power Spot on the 55th(I think) floor then take the elevator down to 1st you should make it to the basement wall with just enough time left, has a chest with a gun and a mana regen ring.

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I have no fucking clue how to get to Shesha here. The underground leads nowhere and the above section just dead ends.

Help?

>>158794182
>pirating SMT games
Why don't you just noclip over there faggot

>Fundraise works on Shesha

I didn't expect that to work. I wonder if you can do it on the first encounter too.

>>158794182
underground distrct, go to the top most exit
go through the west exit of west shibuya
you should see a T intersection, just go straight

The rest should be easy

>people use fast forward for smt

why?

what the fuck is the point

do you guys also use save-states too?

Can you use "Talk" on your friends during their battle on Massacre?

>>158789649
can't you emulate nocturne?

>>158794974
>what the fuck is the point

Shit is slow as fuck thats why. speaking on Snes games of course

>>158794974

Fast forward?

>>158790595
if you're playing KMT, it's faster because it came out after all the other SNES SMT's.

>>158795103
I've already played SMT1, II, Nocturne, and IV, as well as Persona 1, 3, and 4.

>>158794974
That's completely different. Slow RPGs are a fucking drag, ideally you want there to be as little delay between your inputs as possible. Having to sit there and wait for the same long drawn out animations over and over is completely obnoxious. SMT games are usually pretty good about that stuff nowadays and have good responsive interfaces, the old ones were mostly held back by the console in that regard.

>>158794974
Because the SNES games are slow as fuck.

>do you guys also use save-states
Of course I do. The only difference between me leaving the dungeon after a boss to find the nearest save point just to make sure I don't get fucked by a random that uses Mudo and me making save state checkpoints is tedium.

>>158793876
Free Dekaja. Free Debilitate so you don't need to waste MP. Free Doping.

>>158795460
Oh, SJ then.

>>158795518
honestly, SMT is the best when it comes to how FAST it is. I cant play other jrpgs anymore.

In Final, do unsummoned demons get less experience?

what is the cringiest SMT video you guys have seen?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QObpNWwjAM

Kill me I wish there was worth while SMT videos out there.

In KMT 1 is there a STR cap?

>>158796440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu2op9bM-bo

>>158796440
I dunno man, I like most of Fither's demonology vids.

>>158796692
i suppose

there are no items that increase STR in the MT1 part of the game, maximum was 35 i believe

>>158796440
I don't know about the girls but Akihiko would definitely be the best father.

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>>158796440
what the fuck

>>158795837
that sounds boring. resource management is the only challenge in megaten, and you're taking it away with save-states

>>158796718
>YHVH as a midget

fuck thats grand

>>158796718
>a parody of a obscure Snes game
>cringier then two noboddies discussing who is the best waifu

>>158796756
So do I but god dam that video was horrible.

I really dont wanna see his "is kenji gay" video

He fucking ist how can you miss the point? He was confused becuase others told him he was gay for doing girly things and that made him confused for his sexuality. Fuck

>>158797042
Kanji was attracted to Naoto both as a man and as a woman. He's bi.

>>158796170
Demons in stock get less exp, yes.

>>158797271
I dont know how anyone thought she was a he.

>First boss and sexond boss of SMT IV and MT 1 are minator and medusa

Was this on purpose as a little easter egg for MT 1 fans?

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So I was at work and I see this while I was stocking

How could I make this look like Law Hero in SMT1

>>158797479
Anime.

Goddamn why are there so many fucking typos in Apocalypse

>>158798726
Because all the translation budget is going towards P5, thanks Hardin

>>158798726
There were like 5 people who translated the game, that and atlus usa just doesn't care about the game

>>158798426
Naoto is a terrible reverse trap by anime standards, it's so obvious she's a girl the whole "whoa HE's so cool!" gets old very fast. Only a bunch of retards like the IT would be fooled by her looks.

>>158798856

I was more convinced that P3 MC was a female than Naoto was a male.

>>158798856
>Only a bunch of retards like the IT would be fooled by her looks.
But literally everyone thought she was a boy, and she was a pseudo-celebrity so that's quite a few people.

>>158799057
Only a bunch of retards like the entire cast of P4 would be fooled by her looks.

>>158798386
You are better off rolling a piece of cardboard into a cylinder and wearing a huge white blanket

>>158798814
To be honest I prefer that. Apocalypse would have been awful even with a decent localization, rather have a good game get the attention it deserves.

>>158799346

Unironically, is Apocalypse actually bad?

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>>158798386
This, pretty much >>158799202
The robes are wrong and only the miter is remotely salvageable.

>>158799538
No its a amazing game

but compare it to mainline and the tone is kinda, happy. SMT is the anthithesis of shoenen/jrpg while SMTIVA is shoenen shit. In bonds ending anyways. Massacre is for real SMT fans.

>>158799538
The gameplay is good, better than IV.
The story is completely awful, uninteresting, and uneventful.
The characters are at best not completely obnoxious.

>>158784921
It's fun to make fun of Isabeau for reading manga, but this is literally how Merkabah and most law-drones behave.

Persona 5 players how does social links work? Heard it was change. Is it darker then p2 or p3?

>>158799538
Good gameplay.
Annoying characters.
Plot has its moments, I guess.

>>158799538
Not part of that conversation, but
Sort of.
It has the same problem as Raidou 2. As a game, it expands upon the original quite a lot. But the direction, whomever is ultimately in charge of how things are written, characterized, and presented to the player, is a hack and made the game shonen shit.
People will argue that this began in IV proper, but it was nowhere near as obvious. Someone in charge of IV had restraint and taste. Whomever was in charge of IVA does not have either.

>>158800014
people who say it will continue need to chill for a bit for a bit desu.

>>158799202
>>158799680
Damn, well thanks anyway
It's overpriced anyway for the whole costume

>>158800002
Social links work mostly the same way, the big change is that they all have their own unique perks beyond just fusion exp boost.

I've heard the tone repeatedly described as sort of a mix between P2 and P3.

My main problem with Apocalypse is how incredibly straightforward everything is to be honest. It just adds absolutely nothing interesting to IV's setting and its own plot is not only completely predictable but also not very exciting. IV had a lot of neat twists and turns and figuring out what actually happened in the past was a lot of fun, Apocalypse has nothing like that. There is all of 2 or 3 reveals in it and they are all incredibly obvious and anyone with half a brain realizes them maybe an hour into the game. I wouldn't even care about the shounen shit power of friendship shenanigans if the story had any merit to it, but it just doesn't

>>158800494
I consider Final a strange, but fun spinoff

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>>158800240
Hey, a miter is still like half of the costume. But if it's overpriced, yeah you may as well pass on it.

You should shave your head and have the stitches from the Messian brain surgery. Commit to the little details.

>>158800681
They sell a miter separately for like $10ish
but its brown and smaller from what's inside the costume pack

I would try Chaos Hero, but he looks too much like a generic ninja and people will see me as a "generic ninja".

>>158800980
What do you think people would see you as if you're Law Hero?

>>158800014
>>158800012
>>158799867
>>158799836

Pretty disappointing. I did like IV but hearing the story and characters in IVA are a lot worse is extremely depressing.

>>158800980
If you went as Law Hero with that costume/miter they'd just call you a bishop or pope

>>158801197
People will call him a bishop or pope no matter how accurate his outfit is.

>tfw i find out the intimdate option in KMT actually does anything other than aggro the enemy
what stat even influences this?

>>158801195
Its honestly not that bad. the dlc fighting stephen was cool as hell with all the smt heros

Why do people worship god? Have their lives fallen so far that their only way of making amends is to worship an insolent egotistical deity that holds nothing but false promises?

Lawfags are simply pathetic.

>>158793874

bumping my question.

>>158801575
Because they were born into it.

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>>158801526
I bought all DLC and that was the only one worth it

>>158800650
It was a step in the right direction when it comes to gameplay and the balancing of fusions. It even fixed little things like letting the player reorganize skills, being able to manually pick demons for fusions, and other little nitpicks that people had with IV.

>>158801195
But, consider this:

IV can be seen as a reasonably self-contained experience, but IVA adds a LOT of stuff that does address disappointments in IV.
>Instead of just Purgatorio and Merkabah, you actually go to the YHVH dungeon and fight YHVH
>TT is a postgame challenge for people that bothered to fuse some prime OP demons
Etc.
It's worth playing.
Unless you're on a budget and are really sensitive to wasting money on a game that you won't completely like... I guess.

>>158801674
To think that the same species as I would continue to believe such utter nonsense is simply unfathomable. A boy grows up believing the world is flat will eventually learn the truth and come to his senses.

>>158791648
Same deal with the book.

The cool thing is that he really owns up to his mistake, and mans up so he can tensei the shin megami and stop Loki.

>>158801873
>being able to manually pick demons for fusions
Oh fuck. I only now remember hating that about IV.

But I was able to play the search function reasonably well.

>>158801601
It's all pure RNG.

The best advice you can get is to prepare a good playlist or a podcast.

>>158802169

So if I just go to where one of them spawns and it isn't there, going to the world map and back in is completely fine?

>>158802008
If he only he manned up before giving his teacher as a sex slave to Loki.

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Wait, hold up.

People used to complain because the story in IV was too vague and minimalistic, and because they expected more character interactions... so what if they actually listened to those complains and gave the players just what they wanted?

>>158802494
Replacing flat characters with annoying characters is a downgrade.

>>158802494
Fuck, this is why SMT going mainstream is bad idea

>>158802494
>It's all Persona's fault

FUCK.

>>158802494
IV's story wasn't too vague and minimalistic though. It has a lot of depth to it that isn't thrown in your face, but what they do give you straight up no thinking required is still a very solid package and a hell of a lot more than Apoc has. This was literally them trying to appeal to the Persona audience as much as possible

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>>158802494
Apocalypse is Essentially "SMT IV: The Persona Cut"

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>>158802379
That was pretty hot though.

Too bad that also backfired at him, after the teacher became addicted to demon dick.

Offtopic but does anyone know if the 3DS version of DQ8 has any extra content?

>>158803985
>DQ8

???

>>158805248
Dragon Quest
You guys play RPGs other than MegaTen, right?

>>158803985
Two new party members, two more dungeons (optional), additional scenes, more monsters to recruit on your team. more weaponry, more costumes/armour, more items, more alchemy recipes, additional mini medals and prizes. Along side with that, there is an ending in which you can marry Jessica instead of Medea. Loads of gameplay changes as well.

>>158805312
The only JRPGs I've played are Pokemon, Digimon, and SMT. Maybe I'm just in it for the monsters.

>>158805312
That's not even an atlus games?

>>158805416
>you can marry Jessica instead of Medea
HNNNNNG
That sounds good though, guess I'll wait for it instead of replaying the PS2 version now

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>>158805312
You mean there are more RPGs outside of ATLUS games?

>>158805446
Are you getting World of Final Fantasy?

>>158793357
Nah, I did that too, I just saved and loaded each time an enemy was near.

>>158805772
I didn't even know it was that type of game until you mentioned it. Probably not, unless it turns out to be PSTV compatible.

Why didn't Nanashi volunteer to go close the Lust Jar&co.
The aether shouldn't affect him at all with Dagdaddy there, right?
Instead he makes poor Toki do it out of sheer laziness and fucks everything up by giving Inanna a host.

>>158806452
he just wanted to hear those toki moans

>>158806452
Did everyone know that Nanashi was dead by that point? If not then maybe he still wanted to keep it a secret. Regardless why, the game is full of shit writing and lots of deus ex machina moments

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>>158806302
Ought to be, there's nothing that needs Vita touchscreen or touch pads.

Also I'm pretty sure some shades of Digital Devil Saga got into the Nomura formula, though it may be hard to pick out the notes among the more KH-esque trappings.

>>158806843
They find out when you first try to save flynn.

>>158805312
SMT and pokemon and Srpgs like final fantasy tactis and tactics orge

I found traditional jrpgs boring until SMT and fell in love with the press turn found it engaging like wise with the need to bugf and debuff, the mythos and hoe anti jrpg it was in terms of shoenen shit.


I love Final fantasy 4 though for nostalgia reasons

I'd rather see this thread not die.

>>158813269
Give me a lifestone

>>158813269
Don't keep a lady waiting. Let's get right to the point, give me 927,341 Macca.

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I'm a fucking idiot, I was zoning out playing Nocturne and I fused my good Uzume who had mana refill to get Baphomet. I'm level 34 so I figure there's a better healer for me at this point but I'm not sure what. What would be a good healer for me right now? I'm in that underground cavern that you need light balls to get through.

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>>158813269
It all goes downhill from here on out.

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>Raidou 1 is next on my backlog
>really wanna replay Nocturne instead
Fuck.

>>158813592
No.

>>158813803
Hell no.

>>158814237
Have you fought Daisoujou yet?
If you have just get him, he's perfect for the rest of the game.

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>>158814438
Yeah I beat him a while ago, is he one of the special fusions or something? I'd love to have him on my team so that works out.

>>158814370
Raidou 1 is easier.

Fusion doesn't matter until endgame and you want a super cool Susanoo or Beelzebub, or near endgame when you get a demon with Astral Burst and you're willing to waste some time.

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>>158814370
Make a roll.
0-4 Put demons in tubes
5-9 Reject god

>>158814561
But I like fusing, it's fun.

>>158814601
Alright, let's roll.

>>158814601
>Doubles
>Emulate Chronicle edition, do both.

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>>158814370
Both of them are different enough, so you won't feel burnt out.

PLAY BOTH.

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>>158814724
Raidou it is then!

>>158814724
>Fusion in the PS2 era
>Fun

>I enjoy selecting and cancelling fusions for hours on end until I stop getting a shitty move set.

I understand that planning a fusion is fun, but not that.

Nocturne is my favorite megaten, but jesus christ, I am so glad DeSu and IV removed that eternal migraine.

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>>158814864
>sucking the horn
LEWD

What do they eat in the vortex world? The humans can't just live on Magatsuhi, right?

>>158815543
>Humans
Ha! Good one!

I thought the Vortex World is supposed to be toxic to humans or something. There is some subquest where you bring a soul back to life and he immediately dies again upon being reborn in the Vortex World.

I don't know how the other characters survive, only Hikawa and Yuko would have made any arrangements. And of course the MC has the excuse of being half demon.

I just finish assembly of nihilo in nocturne and fuck that was one of the most annoying and nonfun dungeons I ever played. I'm about half way through kabukicho prison and its not bad. So any dungeons as tedious and boring as nihlio I get to look forward to?

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>>158817000
>nihilo
>annoying
Enjoy the tunnels, the obelisk, and the Tower of Kagutsuchi

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>>158817000
Anon...

>>158817000
The Diet Building is 10/10.

>>158817000
You're going to love the underground.

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>>158817076
>>158817082
>>158817146
fuck.. well I have a pretty good party setup were I just fog breath twice and buff my agility so boss battles are pretty easy. Is this going to be viable for the rest of the game?

>>158817939
Enjoy running out of MP in three turns, maxing out debuffs is a surefire way to get it dispelled.

>>158817939
is your character going strength? If not, restart the game

>>158817939
Yes. Sukukaja/Sukunda is amazing in Nocturne. Enjoy it while you can.

Then it was really spotty in IV, and maybe a little more reliable in IVA.

It's been a while since I played SJ, I don't remember.

>>158818053
Yeah baby. Level 34 with 30 str and I'm putting points into agility now. One of my demons have fog breath and support skills

>>158818412
>Level 34 with 30 str
That seems a bit high for that level.

I hope you're putting a few points in MAG.

>>158818554
No, should I? I don't even have any magic skills. Guess I should say this is my first smt game.

>>158818735
I was told that MAG gives you a bit of defense against magic attacks, though I could be wrong.

If you aren't getting destroyed by a magic attack, then you should be fine.

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Macca Beam.

>>158818893
Alright, I think I'm good the few deaths I did have was from instant kill spells or criticals. So last question I notice I can shuffle the skills on my demons when I fuse but it's random. Am I missing something or is that really what you got to do to get the skills you want?

>>158819494
>is that really what you got to do to get the skills you want
Yep.
Enjoy spending 10 minutes backing out of fusion trying to get all the skills you want for your demon.

So I hear that in Nocturne Daisoujou is like the best demon in the game, yet you can get him relatively early on. How do I keep Daisoujou relevant and stop him from getting naturally outclassed by higher level demons?

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>>158819694
>10 minutes
If only

>>158819838
Sacrificial fusion is the way to go.

>>158820079
Oh I forgot about that. I don't understand how it works. I know you do it during the full moon thing.

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>>158819694
>10 Minutes
>10
>Minutes

Oh boy.

>>158820265
Yes, during a full moon.

You do a normal fusion, but the game will ask "do you wish to add a demon to sacrifice".
If the demon you sacrifice is a higher level than what you're trying to fuse, the demon you fuse will be around the same level as the sacrifice.

Floral Gust or Deadly Wind?
It feels like I never get the 3rd or 4th hit, but the potential to do more damage is there, right?

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>>158815310

>>158821224
wow that's intense!

Which elemental magic is less useful after I've come back from Infiltrating Mikado in IVA? I hear Zio skills are useful late game, but that's all I know.

My mc isn't actually a magic build, and I am definitely well enough in the game to actually commit to an appropriate skill set.

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>>158820878
From what I've seen, single-hit Severe attacks are stronger at lower stats where more of the total damage is coming from the higher base damage, but multi-hit attacks start being stronger once you get your stats somewhere around 300 or so and more of the total damage is coming from your high stats instead of the base damage. Basically, it depends on whether or not you have the DLC to raise the level cap and get a load of incenses. At least that's what it looked like from the testing I did. I don't actually know the damage formula.

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what would asahi think?
I don't think I can do it bros

>>158823426
it's worth it, the ending is cool and you get Satan + a brainwashed Flynn

You get to bring back one of them anyways

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>>158823426
Do it. They don't trust you. They're not your friends, or your allies. They're riding on your coattails and taking credit for it.

>>158802925
IV had a ton of stuff misinterpreted and refused to see other opinions as canon. So IVA served the need of spelling out the obvious so we can laugh at those people.

Why we'd know about the Demonic Gene ages ago if the manga and artbook were translated sooner.

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>>158823426
Remember, she's the only one who will actually follow you no matter what.

>>158823426
Imagine if this game is on a home console

Dem delicious Nozomis

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>>158823715
>>158823715
Sure. That's why she totally doesn't come out just like the other Megamis as twisted by your Bond via Observation

Beastiality is a sin too.

>>158791584
>Implying that would even be possible given timelines of IV and IVA

>>158788136
Toki is shit.

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>>158823979
She acts the most natural out of all them, really
Obviously not a word is said about what happened but we both know the real reason for all these unexplained oddities is that Atlus cheaped the fuck out and went for the most pandering endings possible
If they'd actually put some effort in you wouldn't be allowed to revive the people who want your head like Nozomi and Isabeau, and Danu wouldn't have pulled another Dagda out of her ass to bring back Asahi in Bonds

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IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE

>>158825325
That making another Dagda bullshit was too much.

Would it really have been so hard for Danu to just swap bodies to Nanashi? Nozomi sure as fuck wasn't using that "fairy queen" power given she only ever took pictures or shot a gun.

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I think Gaston's death is probably the saddest one. You help him with the no gods no masters thing with merkabah and proceed to fucking murder him like a day later. You get him Odin's fucking spear and even though I never brought him along I really felt for the guy and his struggle with not being Navarre. God dammit I thought this persona bullshit annoyed me but seeing all these nerds plead for me especially not to fucking end them is painful.

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>>158815310
i-ive always dreamt of fellating and licking hitoshura's horn and see him wriggle around and whimper in my arms as he gently claws at my back feeling like a helpless little puppy

...i love me my shota. ara

>>158827012
Kill yourself

>>158827429
will do
gnight

So im playing a stregnth character in nocturne and i want to know if it's worth it to waste 5 levels in the ice magatama just for fog breath

>>158827780
It won't kill you.
I did it as well.

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SMT newfag, just finished pic related. Awesome ride, I love JRPGs now. Confusing ending though, thought they'd give me more context desu.

Thinking about starting DDS 2 rn, but I feel I'll get burnt out if I do. I'll probably play Persona 3 next since I hear it's more casual and wanna see what the normie hype around it is all about.

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Am I just being retarded or is Vishnu-Flynn a really big step up in difficulty? I've been cruising through bosses for the past few hours but this is a sudden brick wall

>>158828506
You should probably just start DDS2 right away it'll answer all your questions from the first game. The duology is very much a part 1 and part 2 not a conventional sequel. The second game is also much shorter than persona 3.

>>158829528
I'm pretty sure he's harder on Massacre.

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>>158828506
Can't go wrong with any of the PS2 Megatens. All really solid and different from each other. And aside from Nocturne, each even have a sequel too.

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>>158828506

>Playing P3 rather than moving on with the story of DDS
>Wonders why a cliff hanger for the second part l didn't give more info

Finish DD2 ya spud.

>>158830056
It truly was a golden age

>>158828506
DDS2 is better than P3

You're confusing the 'casual' elements of Persona to be short enjoyable character interactions and not long drawn out dramas of high schoolers 'saving' the world.

How well has SMT1 and 2 aged?

>>158830913
Very slow and archaic but still enjoyable if you can get past the bad stuff

>>158830190
Nah, I wouldn't enjoy another 15 hour+ DDS game if I started it right away.

Holy shit Persona has style, makes the DDS artstyle seem so drab and gray and boring.

>>158831274
you should start with P1 and the 2 duology before going to 3 and 4

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So what games besides SMT are you guys currently playing? I'm currently playing through Etrian Odyssey V and Xenoblade X.

>>158831969
Silent Hill and AAI2.

How do I view the animated full sprites that show up when you fuse a demon or in field?

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>>158831498
Tried P1 on the psp, was too heavyhanded for me, will revisit it later on.

P3 grabbed me right away, I'll do DDS2 then P4.

Goddamn I love SMT.

>>158831969
Dark Souls for the 3rd time, also Nanobreaker on the PS2.

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>>158819251
Dumb dog poster

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>>158831969
Still waiting for my Wii U to play XCX, #FE and Fatal Frame V. Tried Shadowverse recently, its fucking dogshit.

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>Robbing Metatron of macca by binding him

How much cash does he have, anyways?

>>158833902
I dunno, man. I find Shadowverse to be fun.

Then again, haven't played any card games in a long time.

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>One game to upgrade myself to proper Psychologically Traumatized tier
>can't get through borefest of Raidou games

Love Yamai and shit, but goddamn gamedesign in those is bullshit. Can I emulate first two SMTs on Wii U tablet or something?

>>158797479
They're asians. Both sexes look identical anyways.

>>158798726
Atlus translators are too good.

>>158798726
>>158835653
Post example or you're bullshitting

>>158801197
Especially if your costume was made from a pope costume but with some parts colored blue.

>>158801754
The wierdest part is that the other four are fighting at full strength, but smti hero is at the beginning of his adventure.

>>158823426
Then don't. The new world is shit anyways.

>>158825325
No. The worst part is that them making another dagda wasn't them being lazy. It was actually aprt of the stupid themes. Demons = ideas. Dagda is danu's only son according to human lore, so if she has another son it literally has to be another dagda. The games are openly playing with how stupid the mechanics of the universe are, and how nonsensically it treats demons, yet is pretending that its actually coherent.

>play DDS2
>every time I boot up DDS1 after that I drop it 10 miinutes in
Hunting is such a fucking boring battle theme holy shit.
And I'm not about to reach the final save point just to grind like an autist to fight a 30 minute long super boss to get a reward in a game I already beat, that's outclassed by another one that's literally twice as good (and both are worthless in the long run too).

>>158836270
>shitting on hunting
I'll fight you.

>>158836270
>Hunting is such a fucking boring battle theme

What shit taste is this?

>>158836334
Hunting es mierda.
They got it right in DDS2 as the boss battle one.

But Battle for Survival is still better than both anyways.

>>158836270
>Hunting is such a fucking boring battle theme
How could your tastes be so shit?

>>158836270
Yeah. I spent the entire game preparing to fight satan then realized I didn't care enough to and just finished the game once I got to the sun.

>>158836270
You don't have to grind to beat DDS1 final boss senpai
Just beat it today, was lvls 50-54
Need help?

>>158836413
I already beat DDS1.
Amala Ring was the only carryover I missed.

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>>158835698

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Hunting didn't grow on me until I heard Surprise Raid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE7xxI3WuXg

I didn't like any of the other Hunting themes except Betrayal and Hunting Field if that even counts

Hari Hara is the GOAT theme in SMT though, I picked up DDS just for it

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>>158836674
That's pretty minor

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Any neat SMT Phone wallpapers?

>>158836032
I can't really believe they considered that when they were writing it. It sounds like more of an excuse after the fact when they needed to asspull Dagda somewhere to keep protag alive and revive everyone for a happy ending(except all those people who died earlier, fuck them)
If they're human ideas, how can Danu recreate one with a completely new personality all on her own?

The theme of demons as a product of the collective unconscious goes back forever, and it's never been handled this badly. It could've been okay if it wasn't a bunch of Personafags writing it. Too much exposition never made it into the game and was only given in side material, and only one of the two(!) routes takes the metaphysics seriously, the other is just blabbering about friends the whole time, so they made the other route the polar opposite and way too edgy as a result.

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How much supposed Taxi Driver influence does Apocalypse have?

>>158837338
Well, I haven't seen anyone here attempt to assassinate Ronald Reagan in Toki's name,

Can someone give me a short rundown on how to fuse demons Well? Im melee and i try to make demons with melee skills so i get them, what about magic/gun demons though? Do i just fuse together whatever Works?

>>158837165
>persona did it better every time compared to IVA

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when will weapons start dropping from fiends?

i am on ng+ and have been killing david for last 30 minutes or so, am i just unlucky or what?

>>158838942
Are you in third cycle?

I heard that Fiends start dropping equipment if you're in third cycle.

>>158839852
so i need endless tokyo dlc for them to drop weapons?

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>>158837165
>It sounds like more of an excuse after the fact

No, that was my point. It would be BETTER if it was merely an excuse, since then it would be a one off stupid shit that's happening. This retardation is actually deeply entrenched into the plot.

>If they're human ideas, how can Danu recreate one with a completely new personality?

For the same reason there can be multiple jack frosts. Humans don't control everything about demons. But they heavily contribute to the creation of their forms. Some forms are generic, so it makes sense for there to be more than one. Some, like dagda are not. But that still doesn't prevent a new creation of him. the new dagda has a new personality since variance exists between them. But since lore wise that's the only son danu has, its what she has to give birth to. Even if she is going meta by giving birth to her same single son two times. Since demons are alive they can do things like this, but they can't control their lore. This seems to be what its going for. Her replacing dagda was not a one off thing. But simply a fact of that demons are shaped by people in general.

>The theme of demons as a product of the collective unconscious goes back forever, and it's never been handled this badly.

I agree. Usually there's a bit more leniency. But this game wanted it to be front and center that demons are shit and they barely even exist, other than as byproducts of humans. On massacre, dagda shits on krishna about how humans have the power of will. But... demons don't? Why not? Because they are just byproducts of will, rather than an immediate user of it. The entire plot decided to take way too literally its previously more general rules, and ended up shitting on demons as much as possible. Dagda on bonds even seems aware of how incoherent the rules are for demons, which is why he wants to die. But that begs the question... why are the rules so stupid other than to justify this plot? And why do other demons not seem to care?

>>158840387
Don't think so, no.

>>158840387
>>158840676
If the stuff drops on the third+ time through, you most definitely need the dlc. Without it, you can only go through once.

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Who are the best/worst Apocalypse characters, /smtg/?:

>Partner/AI wise
>Writing wise
>Lore wise
>Design wise

>>158841981
>Partner/AI wise
Anyone but Gaston
>Writing wise
Gaston
>Lore wise
Gaston
>Design wise
Gaston

>>158799538
No.

Apocalypse's pacing is excellent. Story's... generally good with some shitty parts, but it's fun. Gameplay's a huge improvement and some of the characters are pretty solid. It's just that it has a different tone from the other games. I actually sort of enjoyed it until the last couple segments of the plot; it was really cool to see a Megaten game that simultaneously went fairly hard on some of the edgy parts but still had a sense of humor. The villains in the story were great as well, even if their motives were a bit underdeveloped.

Apocalypse's main issue is that it has a few story elements that felt REALLY forced in to make the game appeal more to the current market and players who want happier endings. asahi and flynn should have stayed dead

It's also got the same problem SMT4 does where it's made by people who grew up playing SMT and whose idea of SMT is just other SMT games, rather than so many of the other titles taking inspiration from a shitton of outside influences.

>>158841981
for worst.

>gaston
>dagda
>dagda
>dagda

>>158834441
>borefest
shit taste
play just the first. it's short, easy, and throughly entertaining

Did anyone ever complete an undub of DDS2? Not dissing the English VAs or anything, I actually thought the dub for the game was pretty good, but had an urge to replay it and thought I might try it with the Japanese voices, but could only find it for the first game, obviously don't want to switch VAs halfway through.

>>158841981
Best
Gaston
Gaston
Gaston
Gaston

Someone should make a mod for nocturne where the audio quality isn't complete shit

>>158847569
Someone should make a mod for iva where the endings aren't complete shit, and where yhvh's voice doesn't come off like its trying to be a comedy. Make krishna into a new pseudo law route, make dagda less retarded, and then draw actual continuity to them from law and chaos.

Also, why does only a demon join the divine powers? An angel should too. The art of cherub obviously references the fact that they were babylonian spirits before they were jewish ones. So they have obvious reason to want to join.

>>158803985
The censored some of the outfits, like Jessica's bikini.

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>atlus partnered up with nintendo to make a weeabo waifu pandering game instead of partnering with platinum and making a hack n slash with raidou

>>158848878
>atlus will never join with the team that made xenosaga to let them make a game that is basically xenosaga with alignments.

beadman pls go

>>158832727
Press select on the status screen

>>158848878
good, honestly
a new raidou would make sense in the ps2 or ps3 era but now atlus' writing is going downhill and platinum is out of their golden age

>>158848427
There's so much going on that there should really be a Nocturne amount of endings.

>Bonds
>Massacre
>Divine Powers
>YHVH Law
>Satan Law
>Chaos

>>158848427
We have been told from the beginning that the theme of iva was "bonds". So it makes sense that the endings are everyone working together vs everyone fending for themselves. This was always going to be a persona game that takes place in smt setting. No matter how boring/stupid we may find it. The game would require a complete rewrite and theme change not just minor adjustments.

>>158800486
> they all have their own unique perks beyond just fusion exp boost.

Sorry for the late response but care to elaborate?

>>158849714
Hopefully the writers learned their lesson. I dont mind better more in depth characters becuase it will hurt alot more when the time comes to kill them. I want them to never do another bonds/massacre type ending and hopefully it was just a one time thing which I think it was.

>>158828506
If you like challenges, you can start DDS2 in hard mode right away. It may kick your ass at times, but IMO it's a very fun and thrilling experience.

>>158849497
>Three of them would be shit plot wise
>One will be a pointless bad end
>One will be fulfilling but empty content wise like shit three
>One will be the only path to go with all the content and only one with an interesting plotline all the way through

>>158850000
Like 4 and Golden, your party members all get new perks for ranking up, though that's a bit different as well.

Some non-party examples are that when you rank up vendors they will give you discounts and you'll unlock new items. Beyond that, there's a social link that boosts your exp, one that makes you better at negotiation, one that gives you crafting recipes, things like that. And then there's some rather specific perks such as one that gives you the ability to cook.

So I downloaded all of the free Apocalypse dlc which included the level cap removal.

I figured it was something I could toggle on and off but seems to be a permanent thing. Would deleting it make it so I stopped at 99 again?

>>158850857
No

>>158848427
>yhvh's voice doesn't come off like its trying to be a comedy
The voice was almost perfect? What would you have preferred?

What demoms should I use to fight this cripple guy? What skills should they have? Also I am in ng+ and only merkabhu is unlock for fusing and not lucifer what gives?

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What if Bayonetta was put in a future SMT game? Would She lean more towards Law or Chaos?

>>158851961
And on that note how do I get a lucy with null/reflect light and a merk with null/reflect dark?

>>158852074
Neutral. She doesn't give a fuck about angels or demons, she just does what she wants

>>158852074
>>158852220
They don't let girls into Genma (Light-Neutral) though.

Or are we thinking about this perpendicularly and she'd be a Night (Neutral-Chaos) instead?

>>158841981
Best:
>Hallelujah
>Gaston
>Dagda (including source material)
>Tenkai
Worst
>Gaston
>Nozomi/Danu
>Satan (to be fair, he's introduced in the last few hours of the game)
>Asahi

>>158852475
They did in Majin Tensei II.

>>158852220
That's Chaos. The second game even had a point of saying humans and the human world are the realm of Chaos with a God of Chaos of their realm.

>>158852475
Genma is probably the most fitting, so they should let her in.

>>158848427
YHVH's voice is perfect. Fuck you son of man.

>>158841981
Hallelujah for all four.

>>158841981
>Partner/AI wise
Not Navarre
>Writing wise
Probably Navarre
>Lore wise
Not Toki
>Design wise
Odin

>>158852074
She'd be chaos, whether she wants to be or not.
>Platinum Protagonist
>Not the epitome of WORLD OF STRENGTH

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>>158851961
Anyone?

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>>158853395
I know Armstrong is the most Chaos a Chaos can be, but what is Raiden?

>>158853483
>Nanashi is the shittiest protagonist design.

>>158853613
That's a weird way to write Aleph.

>>158853613
You're the shittiest protagonist design

>>158851961
>>158852129
>>158853483
https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/
Aniel, Inanna, and Belial are needed to fuse Lucifer. As for skills, go to the skills list and search them up. Fir reference, Samael has Repel Dark, and Huang Di has Repwl Light, though I suggest Drain Light for Lucifer to save your sanity.

Is it worthy to do the law and chaos routes in SMTIVA?

>>158853601
Eh, you can get away with Raiden being Neutral, being so explicitly transhuman.
But a protag like Bayo is pretty much tackling divine beings on her own power.
She's like Light/Chaos. I would imagine Dante is somewhere in the same ballpark as Bayo.