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/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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Prep /ss/ Edition

>Deck lists, news etc:
http://liquidhearth.com/
http://hearthstoneplayers.com/
http://hearthhead.com/
http://hearthpwn.com/

>Arena Help
http://heartharena.com/

>Open Tournaments:
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/
http://zotac-cup.com

>Deck Tracker:
https://hsdecktracker.net/

>Upcoming Hard Mode Brawl:
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20324471


HEROIC BRAWL STRAWPOLL:
http://www.strawpoll.me/11452505/r

Used goods: >>157990448
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SOMEONE TELL ME

is the 2 win steak applicable after rank 5? or is for pre rank 5 shitters?
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first for expansion leaks
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Feels good. I missed you so much meme cannon
>>158061791
No winsteaks in rank 5 or better
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I don't post here often. Does anyone like Trump?
Whats the general opinion?

Also opinions on this custom card
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>>158062473
OP as fuck and blizzard will never print anything that makes the enemy discard stuff
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>>158062473
He's alright I guess, he's better than Kripp for sure.
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>>158062473
As a player Trump is fucking awful, ropes and misplays all the time.
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Guess what game has 2 win winstreaks? I give you a hint. Its name starts with an 'S'.
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>>158062473
Discard mechanics are really broken in HS. In a game where most cards go one-for-one and there's no graveyard mechanics, something that says "your opponent discards two" is incredibly powerful.

Imagine a 2 mana 2/2 minion that says "battlecry: your opponent discards a card from their hand". You hit their War axe or N'Zoth or Malygos, and that's that, the game is over.

Most other card games have meaningful graveyard interactions, so milling is not a huge issue.
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what's up dumbasses, rogue god here with the shaman killer
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>>158063414
>You hit their War axe or N'Zoth or Malygos, and that's that, the game is over.
if they lose their war axe, good, garrosh needs to be lynched like the nigger he is
if the possibility of hitting n'zoth or malygos is too much of a problem, just make it go for the lowest cost card(s) or something
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>>158063596
You can only miracle on turn 6 at the very least. how is it a shaman killer?
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>>158063596
literally a shitty Miracle variant
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Very first spell, poor yogg.
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>>158064118
litchurally the most optimal list
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>>158063780
The issue here is not really what you hit (though obviously it can be game changing), but that your card is guaranteed to go two-for-one. If you play a minion that discards your opponent a card, they will need to spend at least another card to take care of it. This is why weapons and AoE cards are so powerful, they remove several of your opponent cards for one, sometimes not cheap ones either.

As much as I like mill, it would just never work in HS. It could potentially be very powerful.

Of course we had Fel Reaver, but that was the players choice and you got a broken body for 5 mana.
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>>158060086
I just listed the best cards for the strategy, i'm missing a bunch of those too (including the preps).
stick what you can in, the strategy is the same
get a trillion cards and keep the game going until you finally kill him

>>158062473
>>158063414
yeah forced discard is too broken in HS
something like this is better for fucking with combo decks
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>>158065289
i think it'd be better if you could use that on yourself in case of brick hands
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Just started playing, what is a good deck to run if I've got shit for cards?
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>>158065879
50 bucks
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>>158065879
Stop now or be prepared to grind for a year before being able to play this game without spending money. Even budget decks like discolock require many adventure cards
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>>158066153
>>158065947
Aaaand I'm out, thanks for the tips boys.
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>>158065879
>>158066480
>he thought he could play for free
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What the fuck is this cringey Reynad DJ shit
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>>158066648
>watching reynad
kek cuck
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>>158066648
what
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>>158066749
>>158066747
twitch dimmak
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Pulled 3 legendary cards over the past 2 days out of 6 packs all up. Hoggar, Leeroy and Lord Jax
Also finished Karazhan last night, any epics or legendarys i can dust? Looking to maybe finally buy that Bloodmage dude
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>>158066864
what the fuck
assuming they're high as balls?
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>>158067312

Well, i fucked up the wording of card types, but you get the idea.
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>playing Casual for Druid Mastery quest
>literally do not care about the outcome of the game, just playing cards every turn
>still get roped every turn by Control Warriors and """"Midrange""""" Shaman
why do these people exist??
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>>158067312
Jogger is a safe dust, but if you're a new player you can keep. Anyways, how the fuck are you so lucky?
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>>158067312
do not craft thalnos, he doesn't enable anything you couldn't play before

first craft all the cards you need to enable decks
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>>158067879
havent played the game in a while, so i guess theyre roping me back with legendaries.
So its worth keeping all the Karazhan cards then?
My first pulled legendary ever was Sylvanas, so theres also my luck there. Pulled Maly months ago too, was thinking of using him in something
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should i just autoconcede to control warriors when i play freeze mage to save time
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>defeat some BMing faggot on ladder
>check Recent Players after game
>he's offline
excellent feel
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>>158068228

My Token Yogg Druid is fully Operational.
Well, i've got Van Queef and Maly, so i can make a Miracle Rouge somehow? Those are the cards they need, i dont remember anymore.
Bubbledin is in running order, no Legendaries in it atm.
Zoolock is running thanks to Leeory.

Anything extra i need in a Miracle Rouge to make it wonderful?
Or even a really good Bubbledin i dont know? I just craft my own stuff usually. Only MLG deck i have is Token Yogg
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>>158068459
you concede on 6 if they play justicar
you also concede on 7 if they play le 10 armor man

otherwise you can try to play it out as long as your hand isnt 4 freezes or some shit
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>>158068459
yes
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>>158068459
play this deck and beat them :^)
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Quality OC.
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why does losing in this game feel so bad?
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>>158071092
because it's random
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So /hsg/ what was the strongest deck in the history of Hearthstone?

Was it pre-nerf miracle rogue, pre-nerf patron, deathrattle hunter or something else?
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>>158071354
pre-nerf patron.
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>>158071354
WarsongDreadsteedlock
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>>158071354
Deathrattle hunter killed in like 5 turns so there's that
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>>158071092
Because there are going to be a bunch of points in each game where you can tell yourself "That was random, and I would have won had it just been random in my favor", but the reality is that you're deluding yourself, and your losses are mostly because you're a shitty player.
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>>158071764
lol
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>>158071354
Undertaker hunter had the highest winrate ever in HS, so it's that.
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>>158071354
deathrattle hunter
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>>158071354
Huntertaker, no question. That shit was ridiculous.
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>>158070137
Rogue needs straight up powerful things, not some gimmicks to remove a secret/weapons.
That means a decent weapon, stronger weapon buffs, and returning blade flurry back, but with no face dmg included(given everyone was buttblasted about the burst potential with it). I don't even want healing for Rogue, but wouldn't it make sense for them to have some Immune while attacking weapons? I mean if rogues are meant to ambush enemies, they get the first strike without really taking any dmg.

Also, ot's funny how shitty of a card Deadly Poison is when all you can do with it is make a 3/2 weapons for 3 mana.
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>>158072329
deadly poison is very good
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>>158072329
>Also, ot's funny how shitty of a card Deadly Poison is when all you can do with it is make a 3/2 weapons for 3 mana.
3 mana spread over 2 turns >>> 3 mana in one turn.
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>>158071764
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>>158072580
Except warriors can do it for 2 mana. Plus, if you're forced to use the dagger charge turn two, then re-dagger and apply deadly turn 3, it's a horrible amount of value.
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Once Kragg gets out, this card is free to exist.
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nobody expects Miracle Hunter.
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>>158073190

>16 mana on turn 6
wew
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why is it a meme in /vg/ to say "dead game general"?
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>>158070137
This is something Hearthstone needs more of in general. Cards that generally help each class out in particular matchups where they may need help. Magic has a ton of them, simple spells or simple minions like "hate bears" with little abilities that make them valuable against particular decks. HS has a lot of generic catch-all tech cards but making some decent class cards, obviously not good enough for every deck all the time but decent enough options to see play, would give each class more identity and more clearly defined relationships with one another.
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>>158073558
people used to say it because they actually liked the general and wished more people were here talking about the game
but then people just started saying it ironically whenever a thread was having a slow day and eventually everyone was parroting it in generals they don't like
it's better to just ignore it nowdays
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>>158073729
I agree. The OC I posted is not amazing, but most of the time the cards released are 90% garabage. This card, at least, can absolutely wreck some matchups. It's probably better as a common than rare, and it alone might topple mage from her number one spot in arena.
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>>158073039

> turn 1 > turn 2 > Dagger > turn 3 > Poison > Remove creatures > Use Remaining Mana to build board

Literally a great use of cards. And with coin, either turn 1 for dagger, or save for turn 3 and then after poison, combo it in with something like SI: 7 for a full board clear and a 3/3
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tfw 800 dust :]
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>>158073039
i don't think value is the word you're looking for
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>>158074421
neat.

I wish I got leggos :^(
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>>158074290
turn 1 trogg
turn 2 totem golem
turn 3 totem golem

nice dagger u have there
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>>158074290
Except the math never adds up to the full value. You either use the turn 2 charge, or lack the coin for turn 3 to combo SI7 and Deadly. Plus, have you seen those shaman minions lately? Can't get rid of those after he gets the curve, not even the pest control Valeera is for early game can do it.
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Is mage the best hero to play with for this week's tavern brawl?
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>>158074719
Cool concept, but what's the point of the card, punishing minion-centric decks? I don't think aggro cares for that. In fact, feels like something aggro would run more often than midrange/control.
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>>158075025
They''re all pretty damned close. Doesn't matter too much which one you pick.

>>158074719
When creating aggro-punishing cards, you have to be careful not to make a card aggro itself would run, friendo.
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>>158075025
The best class is warlock you fool, ever heard of life tap?
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WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER DO THIS, HOLY SHIT
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>>158075954
>rank 15 in charge of knowing how the game works
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>>158075954
YOU FACE JARAXXUS
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>>158063346
shit
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>>158073558
because the difference in 30 posts is 3 hours now. HS makes people jaded faster than any other game because of how punishing the meta is once it's established, and thats usually pretty quick after new cards. Thank brainless shitty rng cards for that
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>>158076826
I want that card.
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I just want rogue to be able to fuck over every class with some kind of tech.
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>>158077176
i want rogue to have more than 1 viable archetype
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>Thoughtsteal a Yogg
>Play it and it kills the enemy hero for me.

Teach you to put Yogg in your deck...
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Discard?
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>>158077495
fag
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>>158078620
what are you posting these for?
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Post happy games.
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>>158081578

Tip, I don't have Cairne in my deck
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Which of those 16 faggots should I pick for more free packs?
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>>158081813
Dr. Pavel
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Blackfist #1647
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who /pussy man/ here

Also
>2016
>Picking a gook champion.

UNACCEPTABRU!!
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>>158082554
NA?
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>>158083192

Yeah forgot to mention sorry
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>>158082636
Too gay for my tastes.
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Will I make it?
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>>158082636
he's a degenerate
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>>158084124
I'm surprised you got this far with that deck. You might as well be able to get 12.
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>>158082636
I went with the dude from Kazakhstan

Looked pretty smug
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So, how would you guys change the ladder system? Or is it fine how it is?
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>>158086078
So that people don't have to face legend players at rank 20.
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>>158086078
Have matchmaking try to put players with similar rare/epic/legend counts together

This way Marty Mastercard and Grindin' Gary never have to face eachother
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>>158086480
Oh boy, easiest legendary with zoolock ever.
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>>158087004
Eventually you'd just be put up against the same cookiecutter shit though

Zoolock vs Zoolock
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>>158086480

So Zoolockstone: Heroes of F2P
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Post old memes.
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I need a deck for Malygos Burgle Rogue.

A deck that has spell damage and steals your shit.

Anyone up for a deck theory craft session?
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>>158087670
The best you can do is fit Swash and Huckster into Malyrogue, but then you'd have to cut either cycle or removal. Everything else is too slow.
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>>158087907

So no Burgle?

My idea of steal your shit was Peddler, Swash, Burgle, and Huckster. The rest is standard Malyrogue.

Burgle and Peddler are too slow IYO?
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>Tfw Barnes puts out Rag on turn 4(four).
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Are there any yoggs in the blizzcon decks?
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So I think I got it. Replacing Madivh with a Faceless Summoner
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>>158089595
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>>158089291
Yes almost everyone brought Yogg Druid.
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>>158061614
>Get that play 75 murlocs for 100g quest on my f2p account
>Dread the shitty grind
>Just slop together all the murlocs I have (not even tidecaller or warleader) on a pally deck
>Somehow proceed to roll over everyone I've met so far, including a netdecking midrange shaman, and the quest is already halfway done

Shitty quest going way better than expected
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lol that was fast
meanwhile they take 6 months to fix shit that doesn't lose them any money
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what do I do with this guy? Seems to be weaker after the +3 nerf
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>>158090502
make the winds obey your command anon.
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>>158090274
>24 hours to fix a bug giving people too many stars
>16 months to add 9 more deck slots.

Glad to see they have their priorities straight.
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i haven't been playing hs in a while, but i notice every opponent seems to go "thank you" nowadays. Is the bm meta really this bad?
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>>158089843
i've seen yogg three times on ladder since the nerf and every time he still completely stole the game one turn from lethal

this "statistical nerf" is about as meaningful as reducing knife juggler to 2 attack. it doesn't actually do anything to address why people hate the card
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>>158082636
>Picked Thijs because he's a good guy and I enjoy watching him
>Learn Day9 picked him too.
Either I'm fucked or Thijs is going all the way.
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>>158092353
b-b-b-but muh 1 in 10 10 mana do nothing!

I agree. For as long as yogg is in standard I have zero interest in playing the game for more than just dailies.
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>>158092276
It's incredible.
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>>158092601
wow
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Wait, what has changed?
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>>158093226
>Yogg now applies overload.
When they were promoing yogg I thought applying overload to yogg cast spells was stupid. But now I don't care, just make yogg 10 mana overload 10, fuck anyone who runs that card.
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>>158093226

Finley fucked up with what it discovered for priest.

Yogg now applies overload costs if it casts a spell with overload

Murloc cards only work off your murlocs instead of mirror match cuckfests

Ethereal Peddler reduces the cost of stolen cards except in mirror match rogue games
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>>158093565
>implying those changes don't warrant a dust refund
Fuck blizzard. Murlocs buffing each other was fun
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>>158093565
>>158093659
Obvious evidence they're prepping for a murloc expansion.
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>>158093659

They claim they are futureproofing for something.

You know what would be fucked? If they added a new class.

Imagine the meta. Imagine the shitstorm growing from reddit.
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>>158093659
>Murlocs buffing each other was fun
exactly.
studies have shown, that disgruntled and suicidal customers pay more than the ones that have, what they call, "fun".
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>>158093834

a booster of nothing but murloc centric cards?

HERESAY!
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>wake up
>missed the 2 win streak bug
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Has anyone here tried using deathwing vs all the shaman cancer? I'm thinking about crafting him to add to my curator beast druid deck but it's one of those things I think I'll regret.
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these new quests take fucking forever.
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>>158094809
if you've still got the threats to force two hexes while also making it to turn 10 sure
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What's a mage deck I can play if I don't have Arcane Blast? I need one for the 50 mage spells quest.
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>>158094809
It's more of a tech against Rogue or Mage.
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>tfw to intelligent to enjoy forsen
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Got this from losing to a hunter with 2 cat tricks against mage, better be good
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>>158095268
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDS
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>>158095268
>Arena mage
>lost to hunter
you deserve a lorewalker
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First one to add me gets the gold.
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>>158095520
Also on NA btw
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rdu vs eloise and kolento vs random chinese in todays celestial invitational bo17
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>>158095438
>>158095460
It wasnt arena it was ranked and I was just running an all mage class card deck to get the quest done
And I also got this piece of shit which I crafted about 2 weeks ago
>both classic legendaries
And apparently te two people guessing are retards
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>Murloc mechanics get changed
>Roll a watch and learn
>free pack gives southsea captain
MURLOCS VS PIRATES CONFIRMED
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>we will live long enough to see a 5/3 elemental rager 3 drop
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>>158096356
Silly
Storm Rager will be a shaman 3 mana 5/4 overload 1.
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fuck if you play paladin or mage you're a stupid nigger
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>>158096429
You are from Wild,right?
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>>158096509
stupid nigger detected
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>>158096892
You are saltier than Reynad
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>prep doom into full hand vs zoo

seems good
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Not pictured: the Brawl that just went off and left only Edwin standing. This deck is too much damn fun.
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>>158098289
Actually, it is pictured on the left
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as fucking if, quickest reroll of my life
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>he uses any emote other than threaten
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Rotation cant come soon enough
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>>158099274
>not greeting your opponent every turn
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>>158099274
>he doesn't auto-squelch
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>>158099274

>anything but wow

plebs

O U T
U
T
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i really hope they give hunter draw in the next expansion
this is retarded
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>>158099302
Does anyone know when it's coming and what expansion or adventure will disappear?
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>>158099417
Next year sometime and we're losing TGT, BM, and LoE.

I can't wait for priest to die for real and stop stealing my god damn cards all day.
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>>158099417
As soon as the 2017 first expansion/adventure hits, probably april?
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How many of you have created a dummy account to get the refer a friend hero?
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>>158099406

>have the best draw in game with tracking
>still want more
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>>158099496
I created 5, so that I could get the free packs aswell. I dont even care about the skin.
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>>158099538

how many free packs is it. I only know about the hero.
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>>158099496
Got it quick and easy. I still can't believe people had trouble beating lillidong kek.
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>>158099524
>have no source of draw other than tracking besides quick shot meme draw
>how dare you want real draw!!!!
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>>158099417

first 2017 expansion/adventure will probably be late march/april

they're going with 2x expansion 1x adventure next year so I wonder if they'll keep with the same release strategy from this year of expansion adventure expansion, that doesn't leave much time for goys to stack gold with the next expansion this year and the first expansion of 2017
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>>158099674
buzzard you gizzard
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>>158099628

people struggle against Illidan?

I thought it was just a meme that they were like "We left him broken so you would git gud"
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>>158099707
who the fuck plays buzzard
i mean good cards
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>>158099496
>get sister to play since she really only plays wow
>she's now better than me at hs
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>>158099736

buzzard showed how retarded hunter is with proper draw
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>>158099738

Take no shame. She's been playing longer than you?

Or gives more of a shit about it than you do?
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Wait so the heroic brawl rewards are classic packs?

Do we know if it's classic packs or latest expansion packs?

Why would anyone play that if it's classic packs?
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>>158099981

I thought they're wotog packs
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Just fyi, if you have a golden hero then don't play it in casual or under rank 5...
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>>158099736
Go watch buzzard hunter before the nerfs
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>>158099956

she's a meta shitter and doesn't like hot meme decks so she's always at 4-5 while I'm reno shamaning at 10
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>225k people on the chinese stream watching eloise get destroyed by rdu
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>he doesn't play objectively most fun deck in the game, pirate warrior
>he doesn't defeat the eternal cancer, freeze mage
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>>158100107

No wonder she's better than you.

You need to realize the true value of actually playing the game over playing for your /hsg/ seal approval.
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>leokk
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>>158100283
post your decklist then
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>>158100107
>Make a cancerous deck
>Climb to rank 5
>Get Sea Giant's Chest
>Switch to dank memes
>Lose as much as you want
Is it really that hard?
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>>158100458
there are some things that could probably be swapped, and you have no draw so it runs out of steam extremely quickly if you get unlucky, but i love memes
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>>158100283
Don't have the pirate leggos
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these new quests r bretty gud
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>>158100776
what are the new ones besides 30 murlocs and 10 weapons
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>>158100283
this is the most fun deck right now not some braindead aggro pirate...
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>>158100817
10 pirates = 50g
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>>158100776

it's only good for people farming gold in casual
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>>158100645
I played Wild for a bit. This is one of the cards that I absolutely don't miss, although it would make Priest a lot less shitty.
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>>158100776
Don't say that, you will trigger /hsg/
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>>158100867
i played against like 3 or 4 of these rogues today, why is this popular? did a streamer play it?
one of them got THREE (((3))) princess huhurans from all of his steal effects, he won because of it
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>Everyone putting in Harrison Jones

>I've dusted him every time I pulled him for other decks.

>Now he's meta again and I built Malyrogue instead.

Jsut when I thought I would get back into rogue, the meta makes me regret that decision.
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>>158101037
>dusted
>Harrison
>Jones
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>>158100867
How viable is this? I'm a new player and I can't make many viable decks but if I crafted 2x Burgle I could make this.
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I've tried to rank up seriously before, highest i ever got (just messing around) is rank 12

is this gud enuff
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>>158101037
>Dusting Museum Man
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>>158101195
>faerie dragon
>>
FREE 80 gold EU
Juan#2170
first come first serve
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>>158101237
I really don't know what else to put there, I need a 2 drop
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>>158101195
Flame caller doesn't do anything in this meta
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>reach rank 10
>decide to see if i can get rank 5
>shaman shaman shaman shaman shaman shaman
>it's only rank 8
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>>158101027

It's just fun... Don't know about streamer playing it
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>>158101267
just put in mana wrym
take out brann too you don't have enough good battlecries to make him worth it
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>>158101302
All I want is to play against shaman but my anti shaman deck gets nothing but heavy control match ups
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>>158101223 >>158101142

Seemed like a nesingwary or a black knight when I saw it.

So I crafted other staples like a dragon, Sylvannas, or a class legend.
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>>158101336
Post deck
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>>158101327
>just put in mana wrym
That makes sense. I don't know why I didn't do that instead.

Removing brann though..I guess you're right but if I do that I should probably drop flamecaller also, which leaves me a 2 card gap that I don't know what I'd fill it with.
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i would put in forbidden flame, cult sorceror, sorceror's apprentice, or mirror entity
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>Play C'Thun
>RDU topdecks 2nd Entomb
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>>158101638
for >>158101546
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>play anyfin to try to beat the shamans
>shamans disappear and are replaced with face warriors
>swap to tempo mage
>shamans mysteriously come back again
hmmm
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what are some turns in hs that have made you cum?
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>>158101653
Stupid Remfag
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>>158101267
Sorcerer's Apprentice is better and leads the opponent to thinking you're Tempo and play accordingly
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>>158101834
>>
*plays overcosted minion on curve*
*plays overcosted minion on curve*
*plays overcosted minion on curve*
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Should I make Thalnos or wait for the next expansion?
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>>158101834

>tfw people still rage quit when Reno drops

>they don't wait to see if it was a bluff.

I made it to rank 15 before I got bored and dusted him to make more staple epics
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>win 5 tavern brawls
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>tfw the stars align in your favor for once
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>>158102158

Isn't hating tavern brawl a meme now?
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>>158102084

well next expansion will probably be released sometime in late november to early december

you can replace thalnos with 2 mana kobold, it's not the worst sub in game
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>>158102158
I rather get dicked in the ass. And don't hit on me silly boys it's not like i'm spoiler]asking for it[/spoiler]
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>>158102240

>fucks up spoiler tags on purpose
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>>158102158
>Play 50 warlock cards
>Play 75 murlocs

I am having fun playing it again but it's taking such a long time to complete.
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Is RDU the best player in the world right now?
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>>158102207
No, this tavern brawl is absolute shit.
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>>158102205
They could have just refrased it to "Lose 5 ranks on ladder"
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>>158102362

Are there any brawls that you liked?
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>Play 50 shaman cards
>Make very cheap spell deck with as much draw as possible
>Get to fatigue twice because I rolled up against wild control decks
>Quest finished in 2 games
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>>158102440
The co-op and discover every turn ones were neat.
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>>158070137
We OC?
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>>158101952
Yeah. I ended up switching for sorcerer's apprentice and forbidden flame, i won 4 casuals in a row pretty easily with those changes.

Thanks boiz
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>>158101834
Exactly these malyswipe turns senpai
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kinda new here:

isn't every deck kinda a curve deck, in that you want certain mana cost cards at specific times?
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>>158102830
no
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>>158102830
Ideally in *every* card game you want a card to play on turn 1, 2 and 3.

In hearthstone it's more 2, 3 and 4. Though there are exceptions.
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>>158102830
No because decks like anyfin paladin and control warrior will float mana almost every single turn and still be fine
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I feel like the only non Maly Druid on ladder
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>>158102976
i have a c'thun and token deck, neither of which use malymeme
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>>158074421

>he doesn't rate The Beast

That Purify synergy bro
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>>158102976

thanks

t. shaman
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>one mana
>3 charge
>fiery war axe
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>>158102976

Literally dead by turn 6
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Nice nerf
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>>158102976
>>158102976
How do you have golden barnes, did you craft it?
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>>158103208
Obviously, Most others were drops
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>>158103201

knowing you're going to lose is better than losing on turn 5 :-)
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>tfw u get memed on by a hunter running flare and he kills your ice block
i would had him too
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How's your day going?
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>>158101353
Black knight is good though just not many run big taunt at the moment.
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>rolls spell power totem
>casts maelstrom portal
>gets argent squire from it

nothing personal, kid
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>friendly murlocs don't buff enemy murlocs anymore
>secretkeeper still gets buffed by enemy secrets
k
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>>158064223
>Enemy has Lost tallstrider at 5/2, plays Stormwind champ. Lost tallstrider is 6/3.
>Kill Stormwind champ. Lost tallstrider is now 5/3.
Fucking really ? Had to give him my fucking Mech yeti.
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Feels good to see Eloise lose and see twitch crying
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>>158082636
>picking hotmeowth when he literally cheated against our guy rooftrellen
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>>158072329
immunity on attack would be a great buff to their hero power
druid does one damage and builds armor, mage can damage from range
rogue just does 2 damage over 2 turns which is great but really lackluster with all of the powercreeped lowdrops right now
if you're up against hunter or paladin you're alright but otherwise you eat shit
>>
Where is Elder Scrolls Legends General?

Also why aren't you playing Elder Scrolls Legends instead of this crap?
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>>158104567

tesl is literally more tempo shit than hs
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>>158104567

>it's an unknown card game takes a swipe at the champ post
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>>158102685
That's cool, but do you mean stealth for one turn? Giving her stealth until she attacks is broken.
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>>158104567

Literally same shit as hearthstone. No resource management, attacker dictates targets. Two sure signs of a bad card game.
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>>158104567

only a few things I like more than hs in tesl

more solo options with pve arena
the one new card a month is an interesting idea
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>>158104707
Yeah forgot that means to be specified
but yes until next turn
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>>158103927
That's a sure sign they are releasing some powerful murlocs in the next expansion. Why else make a random change like that out of the blue?
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>>158104375
that's how temp buffs work anon
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>>158105159
well they nerfed blade flurry to give shaman a 1mana 3/3 so maybe World Of Warcraft is getting a murloc Player character
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wtf I hate these quests
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I love the fact that I can topdeck cards that just win the whole game for me after getting my ass beat for a straight 40 minutes.
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>>158105354
It's funny because shaman runs 26/30-class cards
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>>158105412
That's like, your opinion.
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>>158105285
From my understanding they nerfed blade flurry because they didn't want rogue to have good board clears, not so much that they want to give them broken weapons. Blade flurry was dependant on weapon buffs like Tinkers or Deadly Poison, not actual weapons anyway.

I mean, there is *some* logic to that, because rogue as a class has insane draw potential so getting a weapon buff alongside blade flurry was rarely a problem. They did overnerf it, but what can we do.
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>>158105412
I like Eloise and her 'Intentional' awkward humour
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>>158105412
Almost all of this is objectively false
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>>158105475
that wasn't the point, the point was the face damage
>attack face for 7~ damage
>use blade flurry
>board clear and another 7 face damage
it can still board clear, albeit more expensively than before
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>>158105409
>play 50 Paladin class cards
It's a fucking grind
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>>158105258
Not it works like this if the minion has 1 health exactly.
Also didn't mean to quote sorry.
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>>158105409
post deck, my midrange deck is 24/30 shaman cards
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>>158105412
Reynad is a salty crybaby who occasionally provides good insight into cardstone, Trump is a sellout and Savjz is boring as fuck.

Fix the list
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>>158105558
That was part of the reason, sure, but if that was the case they could've left it at 2 mana and just change the wording so it only hits minions.

Really, it was part of the simplification of HS. They felt it was unfair that a new player with some brainless aggro/zoo deck filled their board against rogue, then got cleared with blade flurry; the new player had no idea why or what happened, game is unfair and confusing, uninstall.

Every decision Blizz makes is 100% geared towards the casual experience. What would a new player think?
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>>158105695
>Trump is a sellout
Name one person on that list who ISN'T a sellout. I'll be waiting.
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>>158105412
Our guys are firebat, disguisedtoast, hafu, lifecoach, thijs and kripp.
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>>158105354
>Dark Souls
Didn't the dlc just come out too?
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>"pro"
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>>158105412
best grill coming through, who cares if shes 40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEBFONqsXgk&feature=youtu.be&t=8m18s
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>>158105784
Lifecoach
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>>158105695
>a salty crybaby who occasionally provides good insight into cardstone,
just like /hsg/
our guy
and trump's not a sellout, he explicitly says when he's doing paid promotions to not be a sellout
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>>158105412
All of those are wrong and you didn't even include the only known pro who browsed here before.
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>>158105694
the standard shifted to drakex2, thalnos, rag, I'm guessing you're still running squire
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>>158105791
after batstone firebat is most certainly reddit's guy
how is kripp NOT reddit??
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>>158105412
>No rdu
You will never pound his twink Boi pussy
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>>158105753
>the new player had no idea why or what happened
>Blizzard thinks players can't read fucking card descriptions
this is part of a bigger problem but ok
>>
>druid's card quest
>put 30 druid's card in deck
>lose to control paladin
>guy on the other side notice my deck and let me play 30 card

My faith in people is restored
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>>158105893
Yeah but he's still cool I guess. His tournament was alright even if some bans were dumb.

Kripp is reddit but he's also our guy because he doesn't suck up to blizzard.
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>>158105863
yeah i am, and also barnes
why rag?
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>>158105814
kek
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>>158105412

our guys; bushcoach, hyped, nadia, zilea, oot, naiman, pavel
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>>158105412
rooftrellen and zeriyah are definitely our guys, don't know about the rest of them. maybe lifecoach.
the reddit side is pretty accurate though, maybe not kripp.
>>
Reminder that Reynad is one of us
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>>158105939
It's not a problem for returning players, but for the complete newbies (at least in Blizzards eyes). They REALLY don't want a new player to have a negative play experience, which is why a new player gets showered with gold, encouragement, gets new cards every level etc. Every single Blizz interview they talk about the new player experience etc. That's all they care about.
>>
anyone else notice some of the new quests require cards that if you dont have you cant do?
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>>158106215
There's like 20 quests now, just reroll if you're a poorfag.
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>>158105860
Who would that be? Implosion guy?
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>Do not play around brawl in arena because it's an epic
>They have it
Stories, etc.
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>>158105412
>hating Kripp
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>>158106004
>that image
I dont get it
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>>158106412
fuck off kripp you're on the reddit side for a reason go post there instead
>>
>>158103021
I rate it 0/8
>>
>play shaman
>nearly rank 5

people weren't joking, at almost no point when you're playing do you feel like you don't have control outside of the mulligan and in mirrors
>>
Which one? I'm leaning towards Reno quite heavily
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>>158105695
cucknad is our guy
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>>158106493
I would pick Reno so early in the draft too desu.
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>>158106427
reynad opened the nudes on screen, but moved them before they loaded

but he moved it to the window that shows his music, so you can see the corner of the picture, which is the corner of the zeriyah nudes
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>>158106493
reno no question here.
It can save your ass after your opponent wastes burn spells to go face or ignores favourable trades.
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>>158105695

i will never understand people watching savjz
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>>158106493
if you can start with reno he's probably one of the best legendaries to take, just be sure to not double up
i love chromaggus but compared to reno he's not a good pick
medivh isn't amazing for paladin
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Some can't handle arcane giants
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>chinese absolutely BTFOing eus and na

the era of the white devil is over
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You have 5 seconds to tell me how this isn't the most fun deck in the game
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>>158106493
Well, first game of arena went as expected. Played against a constructed warrior.

>t2 win axe
>t3 monkey
>t4 deathstbite
>t5 kodo my minibot
>had belcher, and a second deathsbite for lethal
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>>158106953
>can literally see opponents mana costs

Nice hax bro
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>>158106953
Anyfin Gets cleared by a board clear and that makes me salty, you are playing anyfin right?
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>>158106953
You need 2 p2w 1/3 murlocs
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>>158106953
post decklist
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>>158107058
>being this new
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>>158107457
Been here since closed beta bro. I made the very first murloc warlock deck. I cried when Blood Imp was nerfed to death. What can you say about yourself you cuckold?
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>>158107546

>tfw we will never go back to old twilight drake and blood imp
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>>158107653
>old twilight drake and blood imp
?
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>>158107546
>>158107705
>Been here since closed beta bro.
>don't know about deck tracker
>don't know about the twilight/imp changes
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>hunter plays krush for lethal
What?
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>Its time to play hearthstone again to finish dailies
Just kill me now
>>
>>158107928
How do you even manage to breathe on your own?
>>
Please tell me the magic meme deck that regularly beats midrange shaman.
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>>158107928
(It could be someone else asking)_
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>>158108037

>unicorn priest
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>>158107928
>cheat software

I don't need it pal.
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>>158107949
Few else is more terrifying then a krush lethal.
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>>158108037
midrange shaman
has a 50% win rate, pretty good
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>>158107949
LOL you got killed by a 9 mana fireball
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>>158061614

>dont worry about me, kid
>i have asprin
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>>158108037
""Midrange shaman"" has 50/50 chance against midrange shaman
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>>158107949
He got more style points by using Krush over CoW
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>>158108037
Classic control decks will do it (priest, shaman, warrior) but they lose to both combo and aggro (ie every other deck)
If you like winning, tempo mage or malydruid with proper tech
Freeze mage or face mage if you're a faggot
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its not fair
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Tempted to craft Al'Akir to give me the edge in Shaman mirror matches
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>>158109042

>mfw a pleb posted his shit collection near me
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>>158108839
>>158108486

Krush, 9 mana, 8 damage
Leeroy + Hero Power, 7 mana, 8 damage

Literally why would anyone field Krush over Leeroy
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>>158109042
Nice ruse m80. Everyone knows there are secrets and divine shield in the basic set. You have not tricked a single /hsg/ poster with that post of yours. Not today, sir!
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>>158109173

It's called style, anon.
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>>158109173
Krush doesn't die to Explosive Trap :^)
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>>158109289
>Everyone knows there are secrets and divine shield in the basic set.
There actually arent, in fact all those quests dont have "basic" cards
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>>158109173
play around skill juggler
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>>158108964
Since when shaman is a classic control class? Are you that guy playing Reno shaman?
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>>158109318

...

I wholly regret crafting Krush as a normal instead of Golden..
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>>158109173
for style

Also why the fuck is the little "expand window" drag thing on the edge of the post window gone, FUCK
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>>158109289
classic not basic
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>>158109493

>spoiler

It's now a 4chan Gold member feature.
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>>158109442

Shaman were originally designed to be the board control class.
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>>158109173
leeroy dies to knife juggler
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>>158109493
It's still there for me
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>>158109418
>>158109594
>>158109378

These are literally non-concerns, and the few times in which Krush > Leeroy are far insignificanct compared to the greater flexibility and opportune moments where Leeroy > Krush.

The only correct rebuttal is style points.
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what if King Krush had trample

that would make it an actual legendary instead of just a more boring grom
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>>158108964
>If you like winning, tempo mage
I'm not investing into BRM this close to it rotating out

>malydruid
sounds cool, know a good decklist?
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>>158109563
Just like zoo and secret paladin wants to continue slapping you with minions and deny you board control. Call it board presence or advantage in this case.
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>>158107949
Someone got me with it the other day too. I just laughed, it was awesome
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>>158109442
Shaman is one of the OG control classes, pic related
Still is now: you can pack 6 AoEs, hallazeal, healing wave (3 mana heal for 14), gratuitous amounts of removal, etc

The big problem is that brode decided in TGT to make shaman into an aggro class, so he didn't add any late/end-game wincons
Shaman doesn't even have any cthun cards
The best we can do is nzoth with no synergy, the funny thing is that there's enough mid shaman on ladder to make that viable
Saw savjz piloting it in top 100 legend the other day

>>158109804
No
shaman lost to zoo before maelstrom portal
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>tfw too smart but lazy to play control
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>post yfw new expansion doesn't introduce new keywords AGAIN like wotog and kara
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>>158109998
kara's new keyword was Random
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is Ramp Druid any good? or at least, fun to play? I'd just need to craft Fandral and maybe Memewing to start running it.
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>>158109908
Holy shit people were dumb back then.
>Lava Burst
>Doomhammer
>control
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>>158109964
> too smart
> playing children's card game
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>>158109964
>tfw too smart but not enough dust to craft control decks
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>>158109908
I saw a lot of bursty shaman decks, zooey decks with bloodlust and sticky minions, malygos and reincarnate wombo combos and almost none control shamans before TGT. I don't know where your OG control class comes from.
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I'm actually enjoying Priest's gameplay, stabilizing the board and supporting your big guys with heals is fun

Tyrande being a qt also helps
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>>158110202
hero power and emote is not a gamestyle
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>>158109761
What if King Kush had charge+ravaging sand worms text? And cost 10. Would it see play?
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>elements I like, totems I love

why are draeneis so qt
draenei portrait when?
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>>158110103
it's the same as today
people see a card in control decks, they call it a control card
they see it in aggro decks, they call it an aggro card

>>158110180
Because right before TGT the class was dead and there was no viable archetype so people were just using fucking around and completing quests
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>>158110242
It works for warrior though.
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>>158110242
>he doesn't prefer looking at a pretty purple woman rather than a blonde fuccboi
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>>158110517
ramp druid
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>>158110370
I crafted shaman cards after Naxx to play deatrattle shaman and it was okay but lacking second board clear to counter zoo and aggro decks. Class wasn't as bad you want to portray it.
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>>158110202
The era where Control Priest was legit is long gone sadly.
RIP Lightbomb, Deathlord, Belcher, Zombie Chow, Velen's Chosen, Shrinkmeister, Dark Cultist, Vol'jin,
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>>158110517
Astral Communism
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>>158110612
All this can still be played in the wild, where priest is quite comfortably tier 2, tier 1 at times.
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>>158110725
Yeah but I wanted to play Standard. Also there's secret paladin in Wild.
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>>158110581
sure it wasn't all that bad in absolute terms, mech shaman would still eat standard midrange shaman for breakfast, but i'm talking bad relative to the other classes at the time
how was your matchup against patron, after all? Or oil? Or anything?
it wasn't competitive.

>>158110725
priest is tier 1 in wild by any standards
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Was this game ever actually somewhat skillbased instead of a continuous coin toss where whoever wins the most coin tosses wins?
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New quests, cool
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>>158110962
not really
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>>158110962
lol no

Best way to enjoy it is to think of it as a gambling/chance game like poker.
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>>158110925
Then enjoy how fun and competitive shaman has been since WotOG with plethora of AoE and control tools
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Remember when you had some semblance of an idea of what cards your opponents could have?

Remember when you didnt have to play around every single card in the game?
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>that influx of aggro warriors around rank 8
Literally why? Isn't that deck garbage?
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Why isn't this card played? Seems like it has a lot of potential.
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>>158109173

why isn't this played in nzoth mage?
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>>158111278
Pay 8 mana and survive a turn to clear midsized nonsticky minions and fuck up your board. Does it sound good to you?
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>>158111278
>8 mana card that does nothing the turn it's played
>if you have a board the opponent can kill it and wipe your minions
>if you have no board the opponent can ignore it and go face
Gee boss I dunno.
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>>158111491
Krush is a hunter card and Nzoth mage isn't a thing to begin with
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>>158111146
it's incredibly annoying that they added all that shit without a wincon or old god synergy
even with nzoth it's painful, usually only manage to pull 1 or 2 max

>>158111184
it shits all over combo and control decks

>>158111278
Because it doesn't have taunt, slow mage decks need to be stalling the opponent's offense every turn on turn 8
>>158111491
>8 mana fuck yourself in the ass
>>158111523
>mage
>turn 8
>board
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>>158111278
Because it's shit, but I do want to try the moatlurker meme someone pointed out
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>>158111698
wouldn't it instantly kill the moatlurker?
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>Priest vs Priest
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>>158111730
Congrats, you figured it out
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>>158111774

>priest vs priest
>not patrician
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>>158086078
Maybe have it be you get more points for the more turns you spend in a match?
Nothing changes for aggro but promotes more controlling decks to ladder with
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>>158111491
It's a 8 mana crappy minions which gives your opponent a good way to counter big Nzoth turn and clear your resurrected board
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>>158111956

That's just what they want you to do anon.
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>>158111956

So, Valeera is an anal slut, right?
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>>158111774
>Still an rng fest
Huh really makes you think
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>>158112094
pretty sure every mirror is just an rng fest
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>>158112050
She prepped her backspace alright
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>>158112050
you're thinking of monara
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Sometimes you forget HS is a game of pure skill
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>>158112050
Valeera does it for coins.
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>>158112315
Outskilled
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>>158112315
Someone do some stat because I fucking swear down spell totem has been buffed to 75%
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>frost nova
>blizzard
>ice block
>Alexstraza

Should not be allowed in the same deck
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>>158112461
They are all okay. What shouldn't be allowed is burn spells hitting the face.
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What do you guys think? I have a really good feeling about that evolve, lot's of synergy.

Take guesses.
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G O D L E N T O
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esports
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I was absolutely gobsmacked by the level of skill on display in that game. The sheer genius to get not one but TWO Sylvanas from the Shades, the strange next-level resurrections from Kolento, the ridiculous top-decks us normal players would never have been able to pull off, and of course the Spreading Madness gambit at the end. How could we have missed that being set up?!
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>>158112638
>What shouldn't be allowed is burn spells hitting the face.
even that's ok if you ask me
i just want to be able to block it somehow
rexxar has to attack the minion with taunt, so why doesn't jaina?

>>158112808
>>158112815
please tell me someone capped/clipped that shit, usually i do it but missed it this time
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>>158111523
>8HP
>midsized

I mean it's garbage because it's a 8drop with conditional clear on a class with amazing clear already but lets not be silly
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kolento is going nanking on this dude
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>when you come back against discolock from 10 hp because of excavated evil one turn and pw:shield into bishop into auchenai ressurected into circle of healing

Im gonna miss resurrect priest god.
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>>158112250
B-but shes pure according to Graevling
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PRIEST WINSTREAK
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>>158113520

it's happening
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>>158113008
Kolento vs chinese dude. Priest mirror. Was decided after kolento have got yogg from monkey which casted warlock spell madness something. There were 7 minions on the board and all three missiles gone to the face.
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>>158113497
that swedish cuck is married to a australian camwhore that fucks other guys
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>>158113798
So he prefers anal because of that?
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>>158113929
hes a swede, he prefers watching other men fuck his women
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Hex is such fucking bullshit
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>>158114028

You can't possess a woman, shitlord.
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>>158114141
>against face shaman
>he uses hex
>"he can't possibly have a second hex in hand"
>play thaurissan
>he cant kill it short of cockbiters/burst
>hex ;)
Who the fuck runs double hex in aggro?
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>>158114498

I used to, for exactly that reason. It's a great card if you use it aggressively.
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S T O R I E S
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kolento won 2 games off extreme memes
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>>158114498

maelstrom portal + light storm that's the real bullshit, stupid OP class with lowest cost aoe in the game
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>>158114891
lowest cost and most spell power since they can and will always get the totem
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>>158114689
>>158114746
Priest has ALWAYS been a viable class. The people who keep insisting that it's broken shit are usually Redditors and memelords who load up their deck with garbage like Mind Vision and Mind Control for le ebin stealing niggard priest game of cucks.

Like any deck, it's perfectly competitive if you build it properly.
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I sure do love all these new shitty quests that make it much harder to get Watch and Learn and Play a Friend

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Blizzard employees need to eat too, just spend more money goys
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>>158115178
kolento literally played thoughsteals
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>>158109964
You're lucky that control takes no brain whatsoever then. "Control takes skill" it's just a myth that poorfags tell to themselves to keep playing, like "one day I'll play a deck that will show my true skills, just wait".
Then they reach that day. The deck is extremely boring and the games are long and tedious. You know it perfectly well inside you but you wasted so much time, money and/or dust to make it that you can't admit it to others. Let alone to yourself. So you act like control warrior is the best deck in the game, to not look like a moron and other poorfags see you "happy" with your soul-crushingly boring deck and want to make it too. And the cycle continues. Don't be like me. Break the mold. Say no to overcosted boring decks.
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>>158115526
>I can't believe I actually have to PLAY the game instead of getting free shit just for logging in
>FUCK U BLIZZJEW BAN BRADE IS A KEKOLD
>>:(
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>>158115732
Nice defense blizzcuck

Funny how you are defending getting less out of the game than they gave us previously

Eventually they might just do away with Daily Quests and you will defend it
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>Stuck on rank 3-4
>Impenetrable wall of shamans

Ok fuck it I'm going shaman too, fucking stupid ass monkey shit devs who don't know to balance a game for shit braindead monkeys how is it legal to have the best of everything on a single class just swallow my cock you fucks im going shaman see you at blizzcon
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>>158115798
There's no logic to your reasoning. They added a plethora of 60g quests that do not rely on you winning, and that can be done fairly quickly. It is not objectively easier to gain gold with all classes.
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>>158115732

OMG STOP BEING SO ENTITLED
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>break block
>ice block created by babbling book
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>>158115178
The problem with priest is that it's only suitable for building 2 archetypes: classic control and combo-control (nzoth).
And before the rise of midrange shaman, neither of these could be called viable with a straight face since they both lose to aggro and combo, and classic control loses to combo-control too.

Post-kara+nerfs, priest is in a much better position, but it's still the worst class overall.

>>158116009
if you're facing above 50% shamans, just make an anti-shaman deck and rank like a mofo
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>>158116115
the 40 gold and 50 gold quests are trash and lower the quality of quests in the quest pool

and they added a bunch of quests that are far more grindy than just getting wins

the only good quest additions were the two 100 gold ones, but there are so many bad ones that the percentage of getting good ones has still plummeted

and you could still get stuck with win X quests, these ones involving just playing cards should be apart of those win classes so you can do either, win or play cards to speed them up
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>>158115798
>>158116203
>Blizzard should cater to my needs and my needs only
>I have no say in the operation of the company and am not a shareholder because I'm too poor to even afford to buy two classic packs
>They should still do everything that I say because I'm an entitled cunt and their game should work they way I say it should
>I am not a game developer and have never had a full time job
this is fucking NEXT LEVEL entitlement right now. did I accidentally click Reddit today???
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>>158116461
>just make an anti-shaman deck
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>>158116240
>dead the turn after because you where Alex'd and they have a full hand of Thaurissan'd spells
why has Freeze never been nerfed?
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>>158110830
Run Eater of Secrets. That card literally obliterates SP.
t. guy who ranked to 5 with SP before switching to fun decks
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It's gonna be a dark day when Thaurissan rotates and Hearthshit's transformation into 100% memerange decks is complete.
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>>158116723
this is how you can tell it is the weekend and school is out

from underage fags like this
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>>158116748
The game is going to lose so many players next rotation

Evey person that started playing casually this year and loses all the shit they got are going to be pissed
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>>158116723
>>158116887
Um go back to hearthforums
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>>158116461

What is an anti-shaman deck?

All the cards on shaman are complete bullshit, I guess I should make a priest with nothing but aoe and ooze+harrison or something
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>>158109173
Okay, stupid question time. Why is Grom staple in slow warriors while Krush is never played? It's got 2 less HP and attack, but there is no "enrage" crutch on it.

>>158109042
>Blizzard really cares about the new player experience
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>>158117118
They are just trying to make the game more p2w

>Dont have cards to complete quests, buy packs
>dont have good cards to get wins, buy packs
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>>158117118
King Krush is a Hunter class card you fucking ape.
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>make all taunt highlander for quest
>earn gold and maximum salt
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>>158117485
I was asking about slow hunter decks, no need to get all pissy here. What I meant was they are very similar, yet no control hunter runs Krush.
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>Get the new murloc quest
>Throw together a deck of murlocs and 0-1 drops
>Winning with it in casual
What
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>>158117712

I Warriors had CotW then they wouldn't play Grom.
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>>158117712
Krush is 9 mana Grom is 8 mana.
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>>158117731
was it against someone doing some dumb quest too
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>>158117712
Because Control Hunter isn't a thing. That's like asking why Shadowbomber didn't see a ton of play in aggro priest.
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KEK

They changed the gold from a maximum of 100 gold from 30 wins to a maximum of 100 gold TOTAL

That includes quests
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>play discard zoo
>face 3 mages
>lose against all because ice block saves them on 1 hp and stalls just enough to pull lethal
Should I tech in Eater of secrets for a deck I face like 25% of the time?
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>>158116748
thaurissan isn't entirely needed for combo decks, we just need other setup tools (eg ancestor's call)
like reno and elise and co, we just have to hope they add replacements
but im starting to doubt brode want non-freeze combos to exist at all
>>158116732
it is a mystery.jpg
guessing it's because they want to keep freeze as the token combo deck

>>158117118
because of hunter in general, basically
Drawing him early is awful because hunter has no card draw
and the class isn't starved for efficient face damage, like others pointed out, leeroy + hero power is the same damage and same cards for 2 less mana
If a non-face hunter feels like they need more burn, they'll just run leeroy instead
Krush is just a weak card, 8/8/charge is worth 8 mana, not 9.
>>158117712
control hunter doesn't really exist, the slowest viable hunter deck is deathrattle hunter with nzoth which is effectively midrange.
Hunter decks are faster in play than they look in the deckbuilder, they're forced that way because without card draw you can't play conservative (your opponent always has inevitability).
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>>158117818
They had some reno looking hunter deck but even so I shouldn't be winning with this

Also 2 for 2 now against a budget tempo mage deck
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I love playing against Mage by far, it's so fun knowing anytime you drop under 20 HP you're already in risk of exploding in one single turn with NO fucking way whatsoever to stop it.
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This card is absolutely amazing, especially with Justicar.
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Anyone wanna swap 80 gold quests?
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Does anyone have the curator decklist for Druid? The one with Jungle Moonkin for a swipe board clear?

Someone here mentioned it the other day and got me interested.
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>>158118572
Remember to hero power before Ironforge Portal, fellow fedoras.
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>>158118572
Post list.
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>>158118572
It's shit
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>>158118619
No, fuck off back to reddît.
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What's the celestial invitation?
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>>158118684
here you go
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>Mage vs. Priest arena
>He's got 2 Velens, Priest of the Feast, 3 PW:Shield, Mind Control, etc.
>I don't even have Skillstrike
>Win anyway

Man, even I'm disgusted with myself.
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>>158118949
What has reddit got to do with anything anon?

Stil looking for someone to swap 80G quest with, EU.
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>>158118619
>trade
get out jew

https://youtu.be/AA9cb0Z8ab8?t=6m12s
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>>158117939
It's a bug same as the win streak change. Only this one will likely take 6 months to fix
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>>158119101
kill (You)rself
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>>158119192
>It's a bug same as the win streak change.
what happened?
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>>158119192
>Only this one will likely take 6 months to fix
Classic brode
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>>158119062
thanks mom
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>nef vs warrior
>shield slam and bolster

Wow...
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>>158119278
For about a day there win streaks would only take 2 wins in a row rather than 3.
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>>158119278
The winstreak activated on the 2nd win, instead of the 3rd win like it used to. This was yesterday, they fixed it within a few hours.
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>>158073190
>Auctioneer plus Lock and Load plus Secrets
Here's hoping miracle hunter becomes viable in next expansion?
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>>158119598
>they fixed it within a few hours.
>>158119584
what the fuck, yet it took them how fucking long to fix the minion swapping bug
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>>158119763
Minion swapping wasn't impacting ladder in any way dude. This star bug was p bad tho. Although idk because I didn'T play back than
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Wild is fun.
Why did no one tell me this much earlier?
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>>158119763
Minion swapping didn't mean more players would get 500 dust at the end of the month.
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>>158119895
Wild is 50% N'Zoth decks and 50% secret pally. At the moment it's even more dull than standard, unless you want to play priest for some reason.
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>>158119884
>Minion swapping wasn't impacting ladder in any way dude.
yeah, it wasnt a problem when minion swapping effected defender of argus in tournaments
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any1 EU want to play a best of 5 or some kind of tournament-ey games? bored of laddering.
i have golden decks so atleast the games will b pretty.


sis#21704
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>>158117109
To start with, the most popular shaman builds work as classic midrange decks.
This means they're generally weak to classic control (ie decks that remove their early game, struggle with them in midgame, then dominate them in late game).
The only hitch is the trogg-golem-wolves opening, which is extremely strong and needs immediate answers. If you have them, the rest of the matchup will play like a typical mid-control matchup, no problem.
If you don't, it'll be an aggro-mid/"tempo" vs control matchup (think hunter vs warrior) and they'll facestomp you.
The best class for this is warrior as usual, followed by priest.
Shaman is theoretically better than both but we haven't been able to find a working win condition yet (nzoth isn't great and alex-maly is painful since it overlaps with your critical removal).

Also, there's a decent list of tech cards to add against shaman that you've certainly seen on ladder and in tourneys by now.
Harrison, ooze, geddon, moonkin, blizzard, kodo, madsci, etc.
BBgungun won last call with young priestess in his zoo.
Be creative.

>>158118210
that's not necessarily surprising in casual, murlock is the only really playable murloc deck
blizz is retarded and gave paladin and shaman murloc cards without realizing neither of them have life tap

>>158118684
something like this?
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>>158120097
hahaha faggot shaman is the anti-control class
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>Draft Arena deck.
>First Game
>Enchanted Raven
>Druid of the Sabre
>Mounted Raptor
>Suicide all three into a Deathlord, get a shredder, play Gorrilabot with the new mech
>Druid of the Claw
>Kill off things and play Volcanic Lumberer
>Well Played

Total skill game guys, I really put effort into winning that one...
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>>158120089
rank?
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>>158120221

got 5 w. freeze mage this season then stopped, got r1 as freeze and miracle a bunch over the years
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>>158119975
Wild N'Zoth Rez priest is fun.
Also no, not really. Just stitched together few games. Played few games on my phones so I don't have all games with the decks. Surprisingly few N'Zoths and Pallys. And even then most Paladins were some meme decks. Didn't face a single secret one.

Wild is more enjoyable than Standard. For starters since every class seems playable.
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i used to keep a steady 6-8 win average in arena about a year ago. now its not even half of that.
you literally get gangraped in arena unless you pick jaina.
she's so far above every other class it's so unbalanced.
i'd just like to have fun there with other heroes and sometimes i do get some revenge on these filthy mages but shit like my knife juggler having 3 good targets and hitting face, or mct always stealing their worst minion really make me hate this fucking game. shit's rigged man.
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>>158119895
>>158120484
you're only at rank 16, wait till you run into nothing but mirrors higher up
it's kinda like playing shaman in standard
>For starters since every class seems playable.
Some aren't since blizzard nerfed their shit instead of rotating it into wild (rogue, druid, shaman).

>>158120171
Shaman is the exact opposite after the nerfs.
It's the only reason classic control is even playable right now, since it loses to literally everything else.
Hunter is the actual anti-control class, every archetype from face to deathrattle(nzoth) beats pretty much any control deck.
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>pick mage in arena
>get 0 firelands portals

brb suicide
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>>158120580

reminder that babbling book being a rare is more important for the games health than portal being common in arena
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medivh is quickly becoming one of my favourite legendaries
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So with the upcoming expansion eventually (soon™), I started coming up with card ideas. I wanted to do a theme of card design from pandaland, and I came up with shas. What do you guys think about a 2 mana 2/1, battlecry: give an opponent minion deathrattle: summon a 3/2 for the opponent. Also a 4 mana 2/2 battlecry: give an opponents minion deathrattle: mind control a random friendly minion for the opponent.

R8 and h8
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>play 50 warrior class cards
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>>158121207
Does any interaction happen if you play Medivh the card as Medivh the hero?
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New to the game, crafting a druid deck, only 100 dust left and I want more ramp. Is Mire Keeper or Nourish better?
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>>158121378
>he doesn't play N'Zoth control warrior
pleb
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>>158121207
In what deck?
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>>158121425

mire keeper
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>Shaman hero powers turn 2
>Already feel like i've lost
THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING
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>>158121408

Nope.
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RDU vs Eloise rerunning right now if you missed it last night.

Shit's hilarious, RDU opened by beating her rogue, warlock, mage, hunter, and shaman all with just his rogue.
>caster: at least she finally got a win, if he 9-0d her with rogue that would have been pretty embarrassing
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When did blizzard decide Hunter's theme was going to be the stickiest fucking minions in this side of the earth?

You need like 3 consecutive board clears to clear a hunter board.
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>>158121540

I know right, you should be competent enough to take out a fucking totem. Oh well.
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>turn 2 freezing
>never able to recover tempo again
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>>158121604
since they decided that hunter shouldn't have card draw so all of their minions should be worth 2 cards to make up for it
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Why doesn't every hero get secrets?
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>>158121785
The reason not every hero gets weapons
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why are there so many people on ladder with the fucking names ____Pants
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>someone starts spectating you
>suddenly get the worst rng known to man
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>>158121958
reddit
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>>158121367
reply to this post or your mother will die In her sleep tonight
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>rogue drops 14/14 in turn 3
xDDD
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>>158122240
play around it
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>>158122240
Just play BGH. That's also 3 mana I think.
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>>158122240
literally not possible.
please return to Reddit.
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>>158122240

>hexs

nothing personal, elf slut
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>>158122240
>not running a silence, deadly shot, hex, freeze + doom, SW, sap, humility/ pyroequality, mulch/naturalize.

Getgud its the one high stat minion rogue has at all. Once you kill it the board is forever yours.
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>>158122240
this is why you always put removal in your deck
yes even in face hunter

>>158122365
impossible is a dangerous word when we're talking about rogue
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>>158122365
Prep fan prep fan, they have 2 minions on board and both fans draw backstabs, into Edwin, and that's just off the top of my head
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>>158122546
>just remove it
lol
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FROM THE DEPTHS I CUM
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>>158122601
deadly shot
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>>158121367
rly tho guys, pls respond
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It's not even fucking fun playing against shaman

it feels as if you're intentionally punishing yourself by even agreeing to play against that class

The best part is Blizzard is doing literally zero to solve this situation. I wouldn't even be surprised if people were quitting out of having to play vs shaman but Blizzard naturally will take at least 5 months to do anything.
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>tfw started playing shaman and now i'm addicted to the easy wins
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>>158122759
>>158122767
Ayy lmao
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Everything would be so much better without filthy orcs
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>>158122759
>The best part is Blizzard is doing literally zero to solve this situation.
They are actively trying to make this situation worse so it's less than zero
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>>158122501
>enemy dumps his whole hand to summon a huge Edwin
>sap
>enemy concedes

Why do so many rogues like playing it all or nothing?
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>>158122759
>mfw I suffered since beta playing bottom tier shaman and now all of you can get fucked
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>>158122594
Fan just damaged the minions so you can no longer play the Backstab.

On turn 3 you have 3 mana, so if you also have the coin you can:

Prep +2
Spell +2
Prep +2
Spell +2
Coin +2
Conceal +2
Edwin

That's 7 cards, which you can potentially have on turn 3. If you picked up an extra card from Shiv face, and it was Backstab you could have another +2 before dropping Edwin.

So that's 16/16 by my count.

This situation would literally never happen.
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>>158122989
No one forced you to play an uninteresting garbage RNG class
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>>158123089
u mad?
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>>158121367
>>158122731
Too complicated but I like the premise.

Warlock gets minions with deathrattle/battlecry: Put a Cursed! Into your opponents hand.

Rogue gets deathrattle minion that gives themself a free shadowstep. (Deathrattle so you cant just cheese infinite shadowsteps with brann on turn x)
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>>158122998

Prep
Fan
Prep
Fan
Coin
Swashburgler
Edwin

Get fucked.
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>>158122608

JEW WILL BURN!
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>>158122998
You're right about the backstabs, but it is possible if you have backstabs in hand first, but the point was that it is possible (albeit unlikely) to get a 14/14 Edwin turn three.
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there is practically no difference between a 14/14 edwin and a 10/10 edwin so who cares anyway

if u cant hard remove it ur dead anyway
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>>158123350

THE FEAST OF BOWLS BEGINS NOW
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>>158123375
I'm pretty sure I did shit like that when I used to run Wisps inmy Rogue deck.
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>>158122957
Because rogue does not have any spells that cost 7+ mana nor do they have any high stat minions besides anub.
Meaning rogue has to resort to combos, gimmicks and cheese to do well.

On theother hand that leads to memaking daft decks like this battlecry centric one.
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the day justicar rotates out and fedora warrior dies will be the best day in this game's life
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>>158123615

I can't wait until Alexstrasza rotates out so cancer mage dies

OH WAIT
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>>158123581
>rogue does not have any spells that cost 7+ mana
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Nothing counters shaman?
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>>158123203
>too complicated
Yeah you're probably right
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>>158123751
Sorry 8+ then.
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>>158123764
Freeze Mage
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>>158123764

only thing that beats shaman is shaman teched to win the mirror
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>>158123764

Freeze mage is the closest thing right now but you still have to survive until turn 9.
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>>158122989
I did too and OH GOD was it FUN when we first discovered mid shaman was the best deck in the game, but at this point it's worn off.

I've seen more midrange shaman on ladder in the last month than i have in the entire rest of my HS history.

It's put me off ladder completely, i haven't even ranked to 5 for my chest yet.

>>158123736
do you see alex anywhere in this list

>>158123764
freeze mage. For more in-depth, see >>158120097 and other posts, we've been talking about this forever
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>>158123581
That's nice and all, but dumping your whole hand to summon a minion that your enemy can deal with almost certainly is pretty stupid.

What rogue doesn't run and keep sap in opening hand?
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Why do some people get legendaries in Arena and some don't? How the hell is that fair?
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>>158118619
Fuck off.
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>>158123935
it's fair since it's random XD
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>Losing the match spectacularly
>He trades his shredder to push through with the rest
>Drops Doomsayer
>On my turn I couldn't deal with the board so would have lost if not from Doomsayer, heal myself pass
>he cant follow up with much
>Draw N'Zoth, full board rebuild
>From now on the game does a 180 and I win effortlessly
What a skilled game. Tbh he should'nt have gambled with that shredder, he had more than enough to just trade with something else and have 0 risk of failure.
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>>158123764
Rez Priest.
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>>158123764
In wild I play N'Zoth Priest and have a very good winrate vs them.
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>>158123917
Which is why very few do it. Youre supposed to use edwin in addition to a turnplay that was removing the board so you get tempo.
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>>158124029
Bad bait
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>>158123935
In Shadowverse, you are guaranteed to get to choose at least one legendary card in arena. Often more.
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>>158124191

I hope you're getting paid for this
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>>158124113

>>158124132
properly built priest decks beat shaman, it's the only reason priest is playable right now
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>>158124113
people play shaman in wild?
what the hell do they play, maly decks? mechs?
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>>158124273
>priest is playable
>"properly built" priest decks that revive frogs
Using buzzwords doesn't make a bad matchup suddenly good despite your delusions.
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>>158124330
They play literally the SAME deck. Not joking, I've seen shaman in wild with 100% standard deck. It's not even that great.
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>>158124330
Midrange Shaman, same as in Standard, except they maybe add in a Dr.7, Loatheb or some other crap.
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>>158124330
Midrange Shaman. Standard midrange Shaman.
Also few mech Shamans but they are even easier to beat with N'Zoth Shaman.

>>158124443
>thinks a single hex can actually stop Priests tempo
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when is the blizzcon shit going down?
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>>158124525

4th of november
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>see youtubers reroll quests
>try it
>quest gone, no new quest

What the fuck?
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>>158124520
>priest
>tempo
LOL

Anduin's tempo comes from overstatted 4/7s coming from onyx bishop and resurrect and becomes impossible to do when those 4/7s become frogs because Shaman runs 2 and knows to mulligan hard for it.
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>>158124664

>gettimg scammed by streamers
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>>158122998
it was haunted creeper, you backstabbed the spooders
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>>158124664
Fuck off faggot, the game is still free to play
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>>158123492

I'LL TICKLE THE LOT OF YA!
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>>158124765
His tempo comes from any minion that's over 2 mana coming from the death.
Even Shifting Shade is a 4 attack minion either for 2 mana or on top of a 3/5. With the Deathrattle.
A match against Control Warrior is a perfect example of a Shifting Shade getting resurrected is better than the Blademaster.
You, on top of that have a 2nd Blademaster, Auchenai which ruins any Shamans day, excavated evil, Cairne, Sylvanas that are dangerous to Shamans. On top of that you can drop a N'Zoth.
I'm even teching a Mass Dispell and Cabal Priestes (that's her name, right?) against Shaman.

With that sort of lineup of minions, removals and tempo you can get, it's basically an anti-shaman deck that also wins against Control Warrior so you can have a positive winrate.

Maybe you should actually try playing Priest against Shaman and you would see that it's a positive match up for you.
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>>158124443
laddering with priest wasn't even possible before midrange shaman got popular
if you don't believe me go check twitch, watch your favorite streamers do it

>>158124471
>>158124512
>>158124520
says something about the intelligence of the average mid shaman player right now. I can't believe that deck can hit even 20% winrate in wild.

>>158124765
people were playing a midrange rez priest after kara that focused way too hard on the rez-overstatted-shit game plan, that's what i mean by "properly built"
The real game plan is stopping your opponent from doing anything meaningful and burning all of their resources
Shaman does not have infinite cards
There are only 2 steakmen and 2 TFBs , 1 rag, and either 2 477s or 2 elementals in most lists
After you destroy their threats, the game is over, there's nothing else they can do, they have no win condition
Again go to twitch if you need help with this concept, you can see it working in real time
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>>158125530
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>>158125530
Reno when you have 8 doubles.
How often do you get to even use him?
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>>158125223
WITNESS, THE ANGRY HOT PLACES
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>>158125249
I play shaman in the scenario though, and I see a fair share of res priest.

It is a very easy matchup because of the draw dependency. If you don't draw into your blademaster or shifting shade early then you're stuck doing absolutely nothing with a hand of revives. If you draw your Auchenai with no flash heal or circle then it's not doing anything until 6 mana where you can use it to ping a total of 2 damage. If Midrange shaman gets a whole board out, your single target removal for tiny minions isn't going to do shit. I've been able to out-tempo res Priest by just playing a single Argent Squire and then playing things next to it all game while the Squire got like 7 damage in.

Drawing into two blademaster before losing to Shaman isn't something you should rely on. Hoping you don't revive frogs isn't something you should expect. Dropping from a 100% chance to keep reviving another resummonable minion to a 50% or lower chance is a very bad thing.
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>>158125789

Freeze mages can easily work through their entire deck because they never die.

Reno is just another way for them to never die
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>>158125789
Since the meta is 'midrange' and OTK I figure I can get away with the dupes
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>>158125850

I HAVE NO TIME FOR MEMES
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>>158125643
I really love infest as an idea, but the variance on random beast is unfairly low
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>>158126489

Do minions with infest come back with N'Zoth?
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I'm sure this has been done, but:

Neutral 3 mana 2/1, Deathrattle: Deal 1 damage to all minions. Give all minions a copy of this Deathrattle.

RIP zoo
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>>158126161
8 though? That's downright insane, do you never queue into aggro decks?
I personally wouldn't have more than 2 or 3 dupes max, probably ice block, frostbolt, doomsayer, or nova in that order.

>>158125868
see >>158125276, the rez mechanics shouldn't be treated as the core of the deck, just OP bullshit slotted into the deck to give it proactive power plays
Same as rag, some priests even play him now

The key to the matchup is that unlike aggro sham mid sham has to attack from the board and can't do shit from hand
Priest wins by denying the shaman uncontested board control: the rez, removal, and steal work in tandem for this
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I'm 93700 dust away from full collection.

=)
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>>158127013
you're fucking retarded, this just means every board turns into a nuke and completely makes minions pointless

this would be played in every control deck and make freeze mage even more broken
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>>158126821
I wish.
It'd be great if all those effects (like ancestral spirit too) worked with nzoth, it'd enable a lot of fun decks.

>>158126489
yeah, it's not good. Works well with hounds and hyena though, great way to punish zoo and co.
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>>158126821
No, it's an artificial Deathrattle. N'Zoth only targets natural Deathrattles.
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>tfw able to complete my "play 50 shaman cards" quest by playing thief rogue

What an interesting and diverse meta.
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Reminder this overly broken piece of shit is the reason Pally has to be in the shitter and that Blizzard should just remove it so they can actually balance the class without having to take into account the single most overpowered card draw in the entire game.
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>my allies, my friends...
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>>158127716
I'm still amazed that shitters think this is a broken card

If you play 1 card a turn its a fucking 3 mana draw 3
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>>158128086
This.
At worse it's a Paladin that forces you to draw with the Murloc only to drop his cheap stuff and draw more.
But then he's actually giving you tools to deal with him.
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Nice damage control.
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>>158128086
Its broken because it fucks up the fundamental Aggro -> Midrnge -> control dynamic.
Aggro shouldn't have tools like this to just refuel vs control, aggro should either kill a control deck fast or die. Its been like this since forever.
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>>158127094
I'm only getting shaman and druid so games often get to the point where you have very few cards left
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>unironically hit the gold cap for the day
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>>158128086
>3 mana draw 3
>it's not broken

are you retarded
do you think drawing 1 card is valued at 1 mana
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>>158127716
Please name a top tier Paladin deck that this card even belongs in.

GO ON - I'LL WAIT
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>>158128580
are you retarded? what other forms of card draw does Paladin have you fucking dumbass

Divine Favor is arguably the easiest thing in the game to play around, because its the one thing you can actually effect
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>>158128086
It's broken because it puts control in a lose/lose.

Aggro gets to spit their entire hand and then refuel for 3 mana.
Drawing 2 cards for 3 mana is already good, drawing anything more and shit starts getting retarded.

It's just stupid that this card entirely infringes one of the most core tenets of card games which is controlling your overextension. Except if you're a paladin, in which case you can overextend, get blown up and not lose any card avg at all.

It surprised me how short everybody's memory is. Certain cards of Pala's core set are absolutely disgusting. This is one of those and basically makes it so everytime Paladin can put together an aggro deck it's going to be pure cancer.

>>158128764
>Paladin is weak hence paladin cards can't be badly designed or too strong.
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>>158127716
>design space
nice meme
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>>158128580
>do you think drawing 1 card is valued at 1 mana
It's less than 1 mana.
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Guess who?
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I just pulled a darkfisher, should I just dust it?
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>>158128810
>le just play around it meme

you must be clinically fucking retarded
if you're a control deck and you vomit cards on every turn you lose the fucking game because that's not how you play control

what is so hard to understand that a card that removes the punishment from overcommiting is retarded
managing adding to the board while keeping card advantage is the core of hearthstone
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>>158128935
"I'll tickle the lot of yeh!"
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>all these shitters mad about a card that sees no play

KEK
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>>158128862
i agree they should remove this unique card that encourages certain styles of deckbuilding and synergies, because i don't like aggro paladin and it doesn't fit my approved style of card game strategy
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>>158128887
Yes also every single minion in the game is overstatted since it's actually 1 mana = 4 stats as we can see on mana wyrm/trogg, and that's not even taking into account the additional effects
>>
Kek
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>>158129187
Why would he lie
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>>158129187
leddit btfo by big brode
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>>158129157
You're totally right let's add a card which when you play it it just adds up the manacosts of all your cards and nukes something randomly for that damage since after all it's encouraging certain styles of deckbuilding and synergies.

Let's also add a control card that doesn't allow the enemy to have more than 1 minion at the time on the board since after all it's also encouraging different deckbuilding and synergies and one card entirely putting an entire archetype into a lose/lose situation they have no way out of is perfectly good design.
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>>158129172
I hope you realize you meant understatted, those 1 drops are overstatted, and you are a dumdum.
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>>158129431
that's the entire joke and if you weren't an imbecile it'd probably hadn't gone right over your head
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>>158129419
i would unironically enjoy either of those. accept your bad matchups and stop sitting around doing nothing hoarding cards pathetic cucktrol shitter
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>>158129187
remember when gold cards were going to be awarded for heroic challenges, then a day later zeriyah said it was a mistake
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>>158129172
Actually you generally get 2 stats per mana with the starting stats being 1/1.
That's why you have 0 mana 1/1.

And yeah, Wyrm and Trogg are overstated for what they offer.
Even if wyrm was 0/3 it would be seen in many mage decks.
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>>158129578
It's funny how you blame me for being biased against aggro then instantly show your bias against control.

There are well designed cards to counter aggro and badly designed cards to counter aggro. Divine favor is in the latter category.
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>>158129419
Just add this to Hearthstone.
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>>158129187

Too lazy to go on reddit. What bug is it about?
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>>158129618

I do remember that, was that one of the first times they were exposed with backpedaling
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>>158129187
>both bugs were fixed in 1 day

This is fucking bullshit and he knows it. The quest bug lasted 1 whole week.
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Is he "our" guy?
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>>158129753
How does the Xyz material shit work? I stopped playing the game long before that thing happened.
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>>158129187

remember that time it took them from wotog to yesterday to fix overload on yogg?
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What did he mean by this?

Imagine a world where everyone got to legend with ease and started to play crazy and fun decks. Would that be so bad?
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>>158129907
you fuse monsters of a given level and attach them to the fused monster as materials

much cleaner and simpler than pendulum or synchro bullshit
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>>158127716
You can consider it part of "class identity", like the ramp cards in druid
Sure it massively limits design space, but it shouldn't necessarily be removed, since removing it would make the game less interesting.

>>158128370
>>158128862
Not really, it doesn't change matchups dramatically. It just makes aggro beat control slightly harder than it would anyway (and it still won't save them against 6+ AoE control shaman)
If you want to see some real meta-destroying cards in paladin, look at nzoth and anyfin, which are big perpetrators in the death of classic control.

>Aggro gets to spit their entire hand and then refuel for 3 mana.
And? This effect is what enables flood aggro to exist as an archetype.
If you don't believe that, go try everyfin shaman and you'll quickly realize how unplayable it is without a divine favor equivalent (eg pic related).

>>158129040
Breaking that rule is the fundamental purpose of flood aggro decks
They pack the board as hard as possible with shitty minions and demand AoE from the opponent
Like most archetypes, they do have a place in any card game and should exist

>>158129156
>a card that sees no play
Not a fucking argument, the strength of the deck overall doesn't change anything about any specific card.
Menagerie warden is a perfect example. Do you think it's balanced just because beast druid as a whole is balanced?
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>>158129979
>finding a new deck that breaks the meta
[Unicorns Internally]
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>>158129753
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>>158129979

>We are making a system that lets us see what would happen if we changed things

So nothing is happening ever
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>>158129979

>ladder has been shit since season 1
>only now trying to figure out how to fix it
>after nearly 3 years
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i give up on this game until shaman gets rightfully gutted into the worst class in the game where it deserves to stay for around 3 months before they even begin to think about buffing it

how long do you think it will take for blizzard to actually fucking do ANYTHING about THE FUCKING CLASS THAT CONSTITUTES AROUND 90% OF OPPONENTS FROM RANK 10 ONWARDS
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>>158129753
>at one point this was like flamewreathed faceless; an absurdly strong card that the strongest deck in the game didn't even run
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How is Worgen warrior good enough to get nerfed but not freeze mage?
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>>158130442
they aren't going to do anything until next year at least. this is undertaker hunter reborn
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>>158130479
Shock master was always ran in decks that could make it when it was off the banlist.
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>>158130636
Post-babyban Dragon Rulers didn't run it because they flat-out could not make it unless they teched in Berner's Falcon which few did because it was inconsistent and gimmicky.
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What would you do to Shaman to nerf it anons?
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>>158130817
remove thing from below from the game
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>>158130913

What if they made it an 8 mana minion?
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>>158130307
>4 mana Leothab
>can actually prevent battlecries and silence minions
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>>158131070
Now if I wanted to be more accurate, I'd have it also prevent Secrets from triggering and let you Choose One every turn for 3 turns.
How about that for horrifying.


>yfw druid can coin innervate it out turn 1
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A weapon with the potential to be a 3/3...

I think a 3 mana cost is reasonable. What do you think /hsg/?
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>>158130817
1,Not give it early game board presence
2.Not give it Multiple low cost AoE's
3.Not give it great late game
4.Not give it cheap single target silence removal
5.Not give it the best weapons in the game
6.Any weakness at all would be nice
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>play shaman
>get 3 freeze mages in a row
>play cw
>hunter immediately
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>>158131349
It's not bad. Warrior just has better options.
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>>158130817
Make the rotation happen now.

But seriously, nerf some of his shit. I actually enjoy wild since I'm not facing many Paladins.

>>158131381
Because you changed your deck. The matchmaking is rigged, I'm telling you. Almost every time you change your deck on a loosing streak, you will lose once more.
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Can't wait for more shitty golden cards this month lads
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>>158129979
For the first point: he's an idiot. What makes players feel good? Rewards. Shiny things. Flashing noises, sounds of cheering and applause. That kind of thing.
If you want players to feel good about X, provide rewards (both material and psychological simultaneously) upon accomplishing X.
And any idiot can take a basic psych 101 course and learn that his current system is far from ideal in that sense.
>long delay between behavior and rewards
>cumulative reward hiding and neutralizing the smaller progress rewards
>etc

>we've received feedback that the ladder can feel like a grind
Ayy lmao. What the fuck possessed him to say this?
It IS a grind. That's the fucking point, that's what it is. It's like the corridors of trash mobs in every WoW dungeon.

>it exists to rank players
No, it fucking doesn't, and nobody is dumb enough to believe that.
An ELO system exists to rank players.
A ladder exists as a ranked game mode, a thing for players to do with their time rather than play casual or single-player.
It is not primarily there to be enjoyed as a form of prestige, but as gameplay. Improving the play experience is far more important than improving player's perception of their achievement.
People aren't quitting because they don't feel prestigious enough for attaining rank X.
They're quitting because they don't want to play the same 5 matchups 200 times in a row.
You can fix that (ie increase their motivation to spend time on ladder) either by dramatically increasing the rewards for each rank (and making them immediate), or by improving the experience of ladder gameplay and thus reducing their aversion to it.
The second is a better option over short and long-term because it's cheaper and doesn't put you on a reward treadmill where you'll have to keep increasing them season after season to counteract player apathy and burnout.

If Brode wants to improve player numbers and monthly revenue, he should stop fucking around and hire a competent game designer.
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>>158129753
The only remotely balanced thing about this piece of shit was that you usually had to overextend to get him out turn 1 unless you were playing one of the decks that could cheat him out REALLY easily.
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>>158131349

If you're making a joke about spirit claws, wrench is the better choice, specially since its a Rogue's weapon
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>>158067827
I think you are full of shit and need to stop posting
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>>158130817
TFB 4/4 or 8 mana
Maelstrom 3 mana
Spirit claws 2 mana
Tunnel trog damage only lasts the turn
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>>158130529
Freeze mage and miracle rogue are the token combo decks
kinda like the token black guys
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>tfw you accidentally create the Zoonter deck
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why isn't shadowverse stopping me from coming back
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>>158133163

because you're a masochist.
you're a battered housewife.
a stockholm syndrome victim
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>>158133163
cuz the evolution mechanic is pretty shit
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>>158133163
things like this make me wonder why the fuck they nerfed pyroblast
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>>158106557
"haha that card is GARBLE BARGLE BLARRRG"
"Christine haha chat said fish tacos - oh reeeeeely dis means BLARG GARB BLARG
"dat RNG BLARG GARRBBLE BLARG feelsbadmang BlARG
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>>158131786

It's so easy to make balance changes in this game and improve it tenfold. If I was dev right now I would just add a small change on shaman like make that 5/5 taunt have 1 overload. That's it. And let's see if midrange shaman stops being played by 80% of the people and something new changes in the meta. Nothing changed? Don't worry, next week we'll make that 1/3 weapon a 1/2 instead. How about giving windfury to magma rager for a week to see what happens? And so on.

God forbid they keep rebalancing the game to keep it fresh and interesting. That would take commitment and involve giving a fuck. Why the fuck are there only 18 slots.
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>>158133516
>implying
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>>158134320
Its true, I have never known to be angry about a change to any cards, accept I got pissed about Yogg giving you Overload because I didn't dust it.

Well actually I did and I restored it when I saw pros putting it back into their Malygos Druids again but now its probably trash...fuckin A.
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>>158134320

>windfury to magma rager

They need to do SOMETHING with that card, it's a disgrace since Ice Rager. Just make it unfreezeable or something. It needs a purpose.
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>>158134452
i didn't imply anything i directly stated the evolution mechanic is shit
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>>158134320
All that should just be done on an HS PTR server.
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>>158134815
they really need to add something to all the basic cards that have been power creeped
give magma rager "can't be targeted by spells or hero powers", make frostwolf grunt 2/3 (there are no 2/3 taunts right?), make war golem 7/8 or 8/7, there is no real reason not to do this.
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>>158071354
Huntertaker hands down, way too good. Even the decks made only to counter it had a 50%- win rate against it.
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>>158130817
Assuming we're actually trying to balance here, not just fuck shaman into unplayability.
>1. Nerf TFB by increasing mana cost
This preserves its intended use as a token protector but denies current abuse by midrange decks as an OP random drop
>2. Nerf totem golem somehow
It's just too strong. Some sort of board-contesting 2-drop is necessary to make non-control/combo shaman archetypes competitively viable, but this is not the right way to do it.
>3. Nerf trogg to 1/2
Frankly mana wyrm deserves this as well.
>4. Nerf 477/overload:2 to 477/taunt/can't attack
Still good for board control, but can't contribute face damage. Purify synergy.
>5. Nerf spirit claws to 1/1/3: attack increased by amount of spell damage
Still playable. Better token and justicar synergy. Malygod synergy.
>X. All burn spells: slight buff and "can't target face as long as the enemy has a minion"
This brings shaman back to its roots as a board control focused class.
It would be minions only but mage and paladin exist.
Aggro shaman burst potential should be limited to weapons and susceptible to taunts. Which brings me to
>Y. Undo the rockbiter nerf
Aggro shaman deserved to die, but there were much better ways to kill it.
>Z. Buff tuskarr slightly (eg summon basic totem, give it +1 hp)
A good 2-for-1 that summons a totem should probably be in shaman's classic set considering how important it is in every main archetype (token, totem, aggro, midrange, evolve).
It also gives shaman ways to win the board that aren't insanely OP.
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>>158136037
infested tauren is a 2/3 taunt. But its 4 mana and spawns a 2/2.
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>>158131349
if you want to make bolster warrior playable you'll have to do better than that

>>158131354

>>158131354
>shaman
>great late-game
Yeah, so great people have to stick chillmaw in their deck just to have something for nzoth to rez.
Seriously, what do you people call "late-game"? Anything past turn 5?
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>>158136650
Fire ele has always been cancer, people just like to ignore great cards in bad classes
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>>158136627
i think it would be fine then. it's 2 more mana but does more stuff and counts as a death rattle.
there is also that druid mech bear from gvg that can be 3/2 or 2/3 with taunt, i also think that's fine because of the choice aspect.
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>>158129979
>1488 points
heil brode
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What if we too Totem Golem away from Shaman and gave it to Priest?
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>>158137091
Fuck off, priest is a playable 2 drop away from being cancer
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>>158136736
i call that mid-game, not late-game
late-game is more like ysera and shit

>>158137091
i would quit ladder completely
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>>158131786
>You can fix that
sure, but that would require blizzard to admit that their forced meta is boring and bad and that they made the wrong design decisions.
when's the last time they did that? I think even for the d3-revamp, they didn't come out and say "alright laddies, our 60€ offer was vain and shallow garbage, but don't worry! you can buy an actual game for an additional 40€ from us now!"
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>>158128935
>>158129046
So what the hell do i do with this?
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>>158128764
Name a good deck that runs Mysterious Challenger in standard now. Yet both Divine Favor and MC are the reason paladin can't have good cheap minions and board presence.
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>>158137718
disenchant
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>>158137718
+400
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>>158137718
token buff pally
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>>158137718
You target it with spells to give it divine shield, duh.
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>>158137218
>i call that mid-game, not late-game
Fire Ele and Highmane are threatening at any stage of the game. They are midgame cards as good as lategame bombs.
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>>158137718
Dust it?
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>>158137718

Craft Darkbane and make a stupid meme deck
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Really don't think i'm going to get 5 this month can't force myself to not play meme decks
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>>158136736
or because it's outclassed by corruptor, which is a neutral
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>>158138064

>was 9
>decided to reach 5 with shaman so I can spend the rest of the month playing civ 6
>now 1 star from 3

shaman may be busted lads
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>>158137897
they're jack shit to an opponent about to drop maly or nzoth

>>158138064
same here man
i've played more renounce than everything else put together, i can't stand any of the standard decks
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>>158138160
No way corruptor outclasses elemental in shaman deck.
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>>158137718
>darkbane never saw play
>3 mana 3/4 with nice upside not good enough
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>>158138281
>they're jack shit to an opponent about to drop maly or nzoth
What was your game plan anyways?
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>>158138160
>shitter game theory
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>>158138457
YOU'VE BEEN MEASURED AND PWND *TRUMPETS*
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>>158138457
It might see play now that lightbane>kings cant get BGH'd, if paladin gets early game cards
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>tfw played trap hunter to legend before anybody before this shitty expansion was even announced
>now its a fotm meme deck
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>>158139045
Luckily enough midrange shaman will keep aggro paladin in the gutter
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New thread

>>158139669

>>158139669
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>>158139276
>can't play fun paladin deck because any early game dies to shaman until the next rotation and all the cards i want to use will rotate with it
thanks a million blizz
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>>158139917
just play naxx- I mean wild mode!
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>>158074719
>this kills the zoo
>>
>been playing shaman since the beginning
>Stuck it out even when it was neglected (mistcaller anyone?)
>Finally got to lvl 60 and gold portrait
>Ready to give attention to other classes
>Now shaman is all the rage when I'm done with it
>Feels bad man
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