R: 771 / I: 164 /civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend

First for heinlein will save stellaris.

POLAND WHEN

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The AI is very good in Sid Meier's Civilization® VI it can even take a deity player's capital in prince.

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I'm poor but what order should I buy these in? Which are best/worst and which are most important

>>157854104
is this a shitpost
i'm new here and can't tell

is it that he's good at 5 but not adjusted to 6 yet? I don't get the joke

>>157854289
Yes. It's THAT different.

>>157854289
idk, some weeb got paid to get rekt by AI to showcase its not that shit when it is shit

you literally cant fail this much in the ea build, AI doesn't even upgrade its units there and gets smashed by barbarians

>>157854182
It was just on sale last weekend, 17 europoors for everything sans Tempest. I'd say wait for the Winter Sale.

>>157855016
Oh, and the expansions were 3-4€ each IIRC, didn't notice you were only asking about expansions.

>>157855153
fuck so definitely don't buy now

>>157854289
www.twitch tv/trumpsc/v/95746359?t=79m08s

>>157850696
>R: 771 / I: 164 /civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games General

>Civilization VI (Europe) activated
Wait, the time it's unlocked is determined by my key? Fuck.

>>157856330

VPNs BTFO

Prepare for a wave of account bans due to early unlocks from people who don't notice

>>157856726
I assume you just have to use a VPN when buying the key.

>>157856330
>buying keys

your own fault ill be playing the game in 21 hours m8

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i can't decide between civ 6 and stellaris holy fuck

>>157857462

Pirate both.

>>157856726
>Prepare for a wave of account bans due to early unlocks from people who don't notice
Nah, the only reason it doesn't unlock everywhere at once are corporate contracts, noone cares enough to enforce those on individual users.

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>mfw first game I will play after getting new PC is Civ6

oh yeah ai brawl

>>157858026
Got delayed half an hour, so should be starting in 37 minutes.

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RIP Schiaparelli o7

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37707776

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>Am barely unable to kill the sea monster in 6 turns because the mouth has fucking 2136 health
>All of its tentacles come back to life because everything in its army has last stand

>>157854289
A streamer who is a 'professional' got given a copy of VI for 'free' and just happened to lose when people were pointing out how shitty the VI AI was.

>Start a game on Prince
>Find Mongols right next door with Old Faithful 8 tiles from Karakorum
>Spend the first 30 turns building up an army and sending it over to their capital to sack it
>Take like 5 settlers at a time
>Economy gets to -10 gold, kept going only by wonders being built in other lands first
>Don't even have scouts exploring because I need more arrow fodder
>Barely manage to get my capital off the ground thanks to camps and spices and dyes
>Still at -4 unhappiness
>Take Karakorum, puppet it immediately to avoid the unhappiness hit because I still don't have Mathematics
>Look at the scoreboard and see that I'm at the bottom
When should you start going on the warpath in Civ V?

is there a save editor for endless legend

>>157858870
>When should you start going on the warpath in Civ V?
Once you hit the space age

>>157858763
Now You know how Ahab felt.

>>157858870
>When should you start going on the warpath in Civ V?
When you discove glory of liberated composite bowman.

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>>157858763
Do Guardians work on water?

>>157858870
If you want to do well in literally any civ game
>build tall
>pick a science faction
>rush the early game science wonders since they are all broken as fuck
>win as you hit space before anyone else has archers
Honestly my biggest issue with V was how poorly science is handled. It trumps absolutely everything and getting the science wonders puts you on a snowball that literally nothing can stop.

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It never ends.
https://youtu.be/K6ntg47q_cM
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/18/star-control-origins-coming-in-2017/

>>157859324

This is why I'm so happy about the new civics tree

Pure science civs are going to miss out on governments and policies.

>Got Science Victory just 3 turns before Washington was able to get Cultural Victory
I forgot how tense the endgame could be when you play peacefully.

>>157858870

modern, arguably industrial

I like a neat medieval backstab though for a quick capital grab to leapfrog you into a huge lead if next to someone relatively peaceful

civ 5 is so fucking boring because the optimal strategy is to sit and wait through 70% of the game, or 100% depending on what victory you are aiming for

>>157859561
Whether that actually matters or not is another question though. I hope it does, but I have a nagging feeling science will still be broken.

Like it is in all 4X games

>>157859561
From what I saw, policies are rarely worth it. Maybe 1 in 10 policies are actually worth rushing to.

>>157859685
>>157859071
So Warrior rush isn't viable at all?

Which civs are in the "brawl"?

>>157860189
Hell no.

>>157854182
Guardians > Echoes > Lost Tales > Shadows
The soundtrack is that good, yes.

>>157860270
Aztecs, Brazil, England, Greece (Gorgo), Japan, Rome, Russia, Spain

>>157860189

a rush without catapults is not viable imo

even on prince it just cripples you too much, and it's even worse on higher difficulties. You need catapults to flatten a city in 3-4 turns, preferably a nice big one or a capital and you then take your gainz and transition quickly to outpace other civs peacefully

going warlike is simply not viable and is just a stepping stone to peace harder via more science gains or a big hammer city

Battle Royale is starting laddos

twitch dot tv/2k

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>>157860720
I hope it's like mario retardy but with civs.

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>Native Conquest (Exploration): Combat victories over units from earlier eras provide Gold equal to 50% of the Combat Strength of the defeated unit.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

>russia gets bonuses for being behind in tech

lmao what a cucked civ russians must be mad about that

twitch
tv/firaxisgames

Japan's modern theme really is goat.

>game still not done
PANIC

>>157861241
>Oh boy it's starting
>Wait it's not the game
>It's just a fatso talking

>>157861421
Was he the player model for China's leader?

>>157861421
Wait is there a stream going on or something? Please link

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"Looks like Greece is Maximizing their food production! Looks like a good strategy to me!"

>>157860649
catapults suck. Too fragile to do anything of note.

I think england is one of the civs that can wage war pretty early due to longbows. And of course the good old hun rush with battering rams. Most other civs cripple themselves too hard due to the amount of units they need and the losses they take because cities are just so stupidly strong on their own.

redditor in general

How do you get this fat

Isn't there a point where you're like "Okay I need to slow down"

>>157861492
>>157861241

Let's jerk ourselves off for 10 minutes before doing anything

>pls pre order we're great people 25 years greatest strategy game ever blood sweat and tears

>90 days after release
fuck right off

LOCK IN that preorder

>be ready to play the second it unlocks on steam

More like be ready to get disk write errors. Every time i pre loaded a game on steam it was faster to download the unencrypted game than wait for steam to fix whatever it fucked up.

>>157861636
You pass that point when you're still a kid, so you don't really care until it's too late.

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>"pls preorder an support our famblies :((("

I'm betting on Rome

>>157860840
>stretch out mother Russia as far as the eye can see
>"borrow" others techs
>use everything you have to build military
>hello comrades, here's ivan

>>157857462
>one is made by incompetent fucks
>the other is from incompetent jews
Woooow.

Christ that guy must stink.

Think of all the crevices and long forgotten recesses of his folds trapping in vile odors.

<message deleted>

So, i'm trying to git gud at civ, but I have trouble with the early game on prince

Usually, by the mid game, i've more or less become a runaway civ, but up untill then I always struggle

I always lose warriors to barbarians or waste a ton of turns taking out camps with them even with the honor opener, whichI feel I shouldn't be, and I have trouble figuring out what techs to prioritize

Advice?

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>>157861980
Except that Ivan could tech.

>>157862130

>Ivan could tech

False. Pre-industrialization Russia was the laughing stock of the West, and Peter knew it.

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>tfw fat

STOP BULLYING YOU CUNTS

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EITHER START THE GAME OR TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW

>>157862107
take it slow
make good decisions
play it safe
decide early on what techs are going to get your civ where you need to be to achieve the win condition you have chosen

>hoptile is a great early game unit
>can't get any great general bonuses because no great general boosts ancient era units

they are FUCKING shit units

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>>157862213
True but once the nobles got killed off Russia industrialised pretty quick and with zero assistance from outside.

>>157862107
ignore barb camps until you get archers. Just let them come to your city and take some pot shots with it and get easy experience. You dont have to clear barb camps, it just spawns a new one somewhere else. Only clear them when you have a quest for it or really need it gone for a city.

>>157862130
That "Grand Embassy" thing is Peter's leader thing. If civs are getting multiple leaders, other ruler will get something else. Maybe Lenin, who can organize revolutions in city-states.

>>157862252
stop bullying your own cunt and go for a walk

>>157862402

Well, yeah. Because they were suddenly like "Oh shit we have a ton of people here and a state mandated education system would be super rad"

The point is Peter saw his fucking feudalistic nation and said "Nah man, I can't be doing with this" and took a holiday to the good countries.

And god damn it I respect him.

>weebs in the chat
Weeb holocaust when

What are you guys watching?

Sweet

TASTY

Bonuses

>>157862213
They did some good shit though, like periodic table and a radio.

>>157862542
>>157861241

Yeah I bet those bonuses are tasty you fat fuck

IT BETTER BE ON DEITY

>>157862606
>periodic table
>a radio
>Pre-industrialization
What.

Just a little

Mmmm

You know.

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>>157859075
Nope.
>Baiting your enemy guardians on water then sinking them in one attack like the little bitches they are

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>>157862413
>Maybe Lenin, who can organize revolutions in city-states.
That would be rad if it works like the Cultis/Morgawr abilities from EL.

>>157860649
>going warlike is simply not viable and is just a stepping stone to peace harder via more science gains or a big hammer city
JaJaJA! Domination is easiest VC on Diety. You just have to learn it by losing a couple games and/or reading a good guide.

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>>157861636
Unless the people around you help you most people dont have the motivation to get fit after being fat all their lives

>>157862704
>periodic table
>by Mendeleev in 1869
Yes

>Coh-Sacks

Can we please get people on these things that aren't fucking retarded.

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firAxis stream is better, no chat restriction and dank memes

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>>157862531
Do you believe the conspiracy theory he was Dutch sailor that got put in place of the real one?

>>157862790
>Cultis/Morgawr abilities from EL
A little explanation for the peeps who haven't played EL?

as the kids say

>>157862969

I've never even heard this theory. Just as a kneejerk reaction I really don't like "This person was actually someone else" theories in history. I think it would be way harder than that to just dump someone on the throne.

>>157862864
>not just saying Кaзaки
Hurts my soul every time.

>who is the biggest loser

>>157862704
>radio
Not radio, but telegraph.

>All victories enabled

I thought the point of a battle royale was conquest only

>>157862531
He was pretty badass in Stephenson's "Baroque Cycle".

Gonna put my money on Aztecs, because of early game rush bias.

whats the best way to capture a city on a hill in civ 4? I'm in the medieval era right now.

>>157862949
ty

>>157863149
Amerifags are too dumb for that shit.

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>>157863005
Cultist is the Venice of EL. Except that it also gets an ability to convert minor faction villages permanently to your cause: they shit endless waves of low tier troops you can send off to die or sell into slavery for mad dosh.

Morgawr can straight up mind control minor faction armies.

I think it would be a great fit for a faction supposed to start a worldwide revolution.

>>157863210

>AI
>Conquest only

Yeah, right

>>157863005
There is a thing in EL called minor factions, think of them as barbarians + City States. They are a threat to your empire unless you pacified them, then they become part of your empire and can even be assimilated for bonuses and the right to use their units.

Cultists can convert their villages to make them small parts of their empire, spouting endless units for free.

Morgraw can make pacified villages dissent, rendering them hostiles and can take control of hostile minor factions armies to act like mercenaries

EL is way too fucking hard

1) I never know what's good to research and with the way the research is structured it's way too confusing and there is no clear paths for what's going on in your empire

2) I'm either out of gold or have no units to defend myself

3) I either have population to build things or I have lots of worthless cities

4) there's no instant movement option / ai gets to move at the beginning of your turn and attack you before you can run

>>157863301
Impossible. Wait for modern times.

>Half an hour later
>The fatso is still talking
WHO CARES

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>30 minutes of sitting around
>Calling themselves professional
>Cracking jokes about their own ineptitude as hosts

>>157863494
sweet

tasty

predictions

>>157863301
The same way you capture any other cities. Bring loads of catapults. Expect those longbowmen to eat your troops alive

>>157863418
I wouldnt say its too hard, it just doesn't explain itself or have a user friendly UI

Lock in that pre-order.

Go lock in that subscription.

LOCK

IN

have they been stalling for time or something

UncleNox chu2 chu3 chu4 TriHard Russia Vs Brazil

What's a reccomended first game for ENDLESS LEGEND and an opening build order for each civ

or a page/video that tells me these things

STOP

And I have to go to work.
Thanks for wasting my time you fucking pricks.

thank god that fat fuck isnt commentating

>Pete
Oh shit, the stream is saved.

FUCKING FINALLY

IT IS LIT

>no vsync
kek

>>157863838
>>157863763
>>157863753
>>157863694
where are you watching this

>They already are 7 turns in

Couldnt they have shown us the first 7 turns instead of fatty mcfat

>>157863906
I feel uneasy seeing him ever since Beyond Earth

>>157864026
I feel at ease ever since XCOM 2's streams.

>>157863963
On twitch

>>157863963
>>157861241

>>157863418
>1) I never know what's good to research and with the way the research is structured it's way too confusing and there is no clear paths for what's going on in your empire
Most tech eras you can only pick ~5 techs, because there is a number of mandatory ones, just play slowly and carefuly read trough each thech.
>2) I'm either out of gold or have no units to defend myself
Economy&Pop empire plan exists to print money. Try it.
>3) I either have population to build things or I have lots of worthless cities
Lot's of "worthless" cities with is the way to go for most everyone. If you settle well, such is on a river near an anomaly or two, your city gives you ~30 Fidsy a pop unit gives you 4, do the math.
>4) there's no instant movement option / ai gets to move at the beginning of your turn and attack you before you can run
There is. Arrow button in bottom right of the screen. It is also triggered when you hit enter first time on your turn, or you can bind the arrow itself to a key in menu, called "confirm orders" or something along those lines.

Jesus, Russia's first city is huge.

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>>157863832
Can't go wrong with Vaulters or Wild Clans. Just follow the faction quest.

Russia's capital looks nice but they have no room. Brazil's gonna get raped by Aztecs

>>157864203
I'm mostly talking about the first 40 turns

>>157864269
They're just gonna go up.

>>157863991
I think it counts each turn from each civ, so we're technically 1 turn in.

>>157864269
If Brazil expands south I can see them being able to hold against the Aztecs, Russia got a pretty shit start.

RIP Spain

King AI

Peter got dat Stonehenge

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>K I N G A I
>K I N G A I
>K I N G A I
>K I N G A I
>K I N G A I

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YAY for Russia

>*PROMOTION AVAILABLE*
God that looks tacky

Aztecs and Brazil gonna clash pretty soon.

Damn Aztec is going apeshit

>>157864336
I haven't been using guides, so I can't point you to one, and writing one is not something I'm interested in in any way. Keep in mind that I'm not a vet, but here are some pointers for "standard" factions early game:

1)Settle for production > fidsy>the rest Target rivers and anomalies.
2)Early techs are good when playing wide, I like production and approval buildings, but they are not end all be all. Experiment.
3)First era is about running around like mad and grabbing as many Ruins/Camps/Quests. Split your initial army in 3 parts, and start exploring before you settle.
4)Use minors to compensate for you, assimilate unit types you don't have, combined arms is the way to go.

Aztec vs Brazil GO

>score
>good indicator of how things are going
>in the early game no less
lmao

>ed are you opening the civilopedia?

>>157865010

These people are incompetent...

Lavra also gives +1 Artist/+1 Musician/+1 Writer points.

>>157865010
for AI only it kinda is.

Okay, so Russia isn't total shit. Nice to know.

russia literally has no growth holy fuck lel tundra what a disaster

>1080 BC
>medieval era

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>someone screeching about good boy points in chat
god damn it you guys

>Stellaris
>AI was removing good tile things that provided adjacency benefits
>check the changelog
>"Tile blockers that give adjacency effects can no longer be cleared"
Classic Wiz AI coding.

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>That Russian settlement

>Russia setting a city a gorillion miles away from their capital

Peter the absolute madmen

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT RUSSIA SETTLE

ON OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP? PAST TWO NATURAL WONDERS?

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Umm...

This is the first time I see the game in action. The visual style is even more atrocious in motion than on the screenshots.

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>that fucking russia city halfway across the map
>next to the aztecs

This is why we need to bring back city maintenance cost based on the distance to the capital

Damn Civ 6 looks horrible visually. It's like old video games when you turned all textures to minimum. Civ 5 biomes actually felt "immersive" for a game like this. Spawning in a jungle felt like playing around in a jungle, desert like desert etc. The environment looked alive. Civ 6 looks like you're playing on a 80s tabletop game board. I can't be the only one thinking like this.

>>157865465
Rome wasn't built in a day.

>>157865401
>>157865383
I guess we have the answer for forward settling by the AI. It's in. Quite deeply in.

>4 pop capital russia

fucking buff tundra already

>Japan has declared a war on Russia
>Aztecs has declared a war on Russia

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>g-guys we improved the ai

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>Smolensk
GIV PLANE BACK, RUSSIA

>>157865350
Sometimes the simplistic solution is the best solution

>>157865634
>taking player options away to avoid work on AI coding
>best solution

Russia is so irrelevant none of the other AI's are even putting them out of their misery

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hahahah
>tfw your terrible AI embarasses you like a drunken housewife at a dinner party

>turn 100 standard
>still 100s of warriors running around

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>Guys we fixed the AI
>Forward settle across the fucking continent taking no advantage of their tundra bonus

>>157865707
>destroying natural bonuses
Literally no reason to

Literally

>>157865767
>like a drunken housewife at a dinner party
That's the best kind of embarrassment.

I was willing to forgive the shittier graphics but it seems the AI hasn't improved that much.

I'm not that hopeful for this game desu.

>Russians making a mass exodus the fuck away from tundra

>Russia got smolensk back AND converted the Aztecs

all according to keikaku

London, 3 sea tiles, hard to take. Sure.

>>157866073
really the only reason why im getting it is because modding will be available for multiplayer.

ROMANES EUNT DOMUS

RUSSIA 6 POP CAP AT TURN 150

HAHAHAHAH FUCKING TUNDRA HAAHHAHA

Japan's on Russia's continent right? Those cheeky fuckers just settled on southern tundra for some god forsaken reason

>820 AD
>Russia has an archaeologist

Did I miss something?

Stockholm is done for.

I like Brazil's theme

>greece in the industrial era

Japan's fucked

It seems like Russian AI have acknowledged it's shit start and now just trolls everyone.
Just like irl

The settlements in the western continent are all sorts of screwed up.

>Our AI is shit but it's SUPPOSED to be that way!

Did Twitch crash just now ?

Barbs have the most advanced units I've seen

Goddamn, I love the era based music.

>>157866975
DELETE THIS
PUTIN STRONG

>>157866975
Just like my multiplayer games.

Why is Rome just holding a bunch of legions?

>entering the industrial era in 1100
I know this was in the stream builds, but Jesus Christ. I hope they had fixed this shit.

Anyone else's twitch stream not working? Mine's fucked.

>>157867184
I mean, it would be fucking epic if Russia will win. Maybe by religious victory.

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Who /pre-order/ after seeing the hyper realistic sentient AI, that could compete even with several cray computers?

Spain looks like it's just endlessly getting raped by the snow barbs

>>157867368

Firaxis dicked up their stream

Just watch the VOD once it's up

>>157867413
I am honestly on the fence about cancelling

This is pretty disappointing.

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>This thread right now

>>157867374
What is the condition for religious victory, anyway?

>Rome peacing out because barbarians at home

Turn 193. Russia's capital is still 6 population

>>157867609
Make a best selling fictional book that can outsell harry potter

>>157865514
I like it much more

>>157867540
I think we can all agree so far that AI is not complitely retarded, but isn't good either.

Why wouldn't the Aztecs just rape the Brasilians? They seem to have nothing but warriors around their cities at >industrial era

>Russia did it again

The absolute madman

>>157867765
I think Brazil converted them to Hinduism

Also
>Time for Sunset Invasion

>turn 200
>I still see warriors and slingers

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RUSSIA'S CAPITAL HAS REACHED 7 POPULATION

>>157867538
>This is pretty disappointing.
Not that anon, but how so?

1420 Greek Modern era

>>157867864
>King difficulty
I really don't know why they didn't just run this on Deity

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>Build a city between Russia and City State
>In the Tundra
FUCKING REALLY BRAZIL!?!?

>>157867895
Probably just some angry man child

>>157867895
They said the AI was improved

>>157867895
Because AI, despite not being Civ5 at release stupid, is unlikely to provide much of a challenge to good players.

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>King
>1420 Greece in Modern era

>>157868001
You just can't comprehend Piotr's magnificent stratagems.

Russia about to get raped

Seems like they're just sitting their outdated units in their borders and not bothering to upgrade them

>England has decalred
>decalred


REALLY?

They really could try and upgrade their units
You can't just say modern era and still run around with horsies

>Build Petra
>build districts on all your desert tiles
10/10 Aztec

>>157867996
>Make a game
>its okay but has some big flaws, one of which is the AI which renders the challenge non existent
>make a sequel
>say you fixed the AI
>AI is making the exact same mistakes
I call that justified dissatisfaction.

>AI doesn't take domination
what the fuck

>>157868375
It's fine, quite being a man baby

Kalinka, kalinka, kalinka moya!

I just realized
Where are the day-night visuals? Please tell me they just left it out for this build.

>Madrid's tiles are STILL pillaged

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>Kalinka is playing

>>157868476
Its fine by your standards, its disappointing by mine.

Stop being a man baby upset that people have different opinions.

Catapults are the new T-34s.

>>157868375
They were too busy "borrowing" ideas from EL.

>>157868526
you can turn that off in the options or lock it to a specific time which they probably did.

I am genuinely upset that Russia is losing. They were the most entertaining so far.

so spain's doing the worst, right?

Their capital is almost entirely pillaged and they don't seem to care

How hard is endless legend?
I have only played civ 5 on normal.

I'm a bit worried because it doesn't seem easy to understand.

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>Kalinka

Not much happening in the midgame. I really hope that's just because most of the stuff going on isn't immediately visible on the map.

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>kalinka-malinka
Preorder confirmed.

>>157868841
Its harder but not soul crushingly hard.

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>>157868814
Spain right now.

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>Kalinka Malinka
Yes, I'm playing Russia first

most ai secondary cities are twice as big as russias capital lmao

>>157868841
El on normal is somewhat harder, but mostly because you have more tools you need to learn. Once you do it's more or less the same fare.

Above that, EL scales rapidly, with Serious being on par with emperor-immortal.

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>>157868915

They have tarutarus from FFXI in Civ6?

Without iron or niter, you can't upgrade Warriors until Infantry.

>>157869381

Better put your dick in enemy territory to gain either

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>Russia forward settling again

Ok

Brazil is just flooding the other continent with missionaries, jesus christ

>atomic era Greece 1700

WE WILL SHIP OUR DEBT TO SPACE, COMRADOPOLIS

>>157869381
no different from civ 5. (outside of musketmen now requiring a resource)

The best part of this stream is seeng that Lead AI guy knows AI's faults. Worst part is seeing how little fuck is really given about AI, or pacing by the company.

Why do they still dont have the continuous borders? I didn't quite get what they meant

>>157869724
>why don't they have the continuous borders yet*?

>>157869493
Russia is basically trolling at this point.

>>157869724
because they are observers. dotted borders means open borders, closed line = closed borders. since they are not technically an opponent the ai cant close their borders to them.

Honestly the biggest thing I dislike with the game right now is how fast it looks. Half the civs in the modern era in the 1700's? I feel like most of it comes from the eureka bonuses and how quickly they speed along 80-90% of the techs. Doesn't look like they balanced it at all. Would have preferred like, 20-30% for a eureka bonus instead of half the fucking tech.

>>157869656
>Lead AI guy knows AI's faults.

What did he say?

Did those missionaries just summon lightning to smite an enemy unit?

>>157869924
Should be an easy mod.

>>157869981
AI can't into effective joint wars.

>>157869981
for example that Civs never go for domination and stop at 3-4 capitals

>>157869924
It's set on a fastest speed. Choose slow and you're good to go.

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>all those religions
can't contain the /pol/

>>157868598
Fair enough since EL borrowed most of them from Stardock in the first place.

>>157867895
What you have to understand is that 4chan is full of contrarians.

No matter which board or topic is being discussed, popular things are always treated this way. It's just their way to feel special.

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>Madrid is still burning

>>157870103
no he just said he never saw them winning by domination in a battle royale, probably because someone won by an easier condition like religion or culture before that.

>>157870112
they're on standard though

>>157870072
He did explain that this is because of rational behavior, though.

Actually cool to see an AI designer bring up game theory to explain AI behavior.

OH SHIT RUSSIA WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>157870458
>desire for tiles intensifies
is probably all it boils down to

>>157870339
The problem is that there's no enforcement of actually doing war, just declaring war. Rational players would at least implicitly agree on that too, the AI doesn't.

Is Spain even doing anything at this point? It's like their AI just had the off switch flipped.

1826 Spaceport

Anyone have the plantoid portraits for stellaris? I want em but they aren't worth fucking $8.00.

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>>157870292
This is some next level tier bait.

>>157870576
True, but that's more of a game mechanic problem than an AI problem.

>>157870792
What did Civ V copy from EL that wasn't originally a Stardock innovation?

>kalinka
EVERY
TIME

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>Kalinka is replaying

will civ 6 use BC/AD or BCE/CE

>>157870792
pretty sure district systems are in other games as well, that came out before EL did.

I'm at work so can't watch the stream, but is the game really going that fast? Is it on the quickest speed or standard? Because I want it so drag on and not be done in 2 hours.

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>>157870821
Yeah, to an extent. There's no reason you couldn't have the AI agree amongst themselves on military goals, but it might be a dick move to give AI-AI diplomatic options that AI-PC doesn't have. Then again, PC-PC already has that, so

>>157871098
standard

why does aztec have an army above spain

Did I imagine that Firaxis said that the AI is only written for Chieftain-level games and then it gains bonuses to yields for higher difficulties?

Because that sounds like a shit AI.

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District systems are retarded to begin with. I'm not playing Simcity. I'm playing a grand strategy game whose map bounds are an entire planet.

One tile should not equal one district for scale reasons.

>>157871115
I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to balance AI around multiplayer.

>turn 300
>no english navy attacking any coastal cities

Heinlein or Civ 6 tomorrow?

>>157871293
No, but expanding diplomatic options between the AIs as well as between players and AIs would make for a much more interesting game. Not being able to properly do joint wars is pretty bad for interesting diplomacy

>>157871257
If they said that, it wasn't on this stream, I think. I did hear that some AI features are restricted to higher difficulties.

>>157871272
>District systems are retarded to begin with.
Literally the best part of 6.
>I'm playing a grand strategy game
Hillarious. Quite.

>>157871376
Tempest, seriously, neither game impresses. Oh sure I'll try civ, but Tempest.

So this doesn't unlock until tomorrow at 11pm EST, right?

>>157871272
>I'm playing a grand strategy game
Civilization
You're not.

>whose map bounds are an entire planet.
Only true in the lore of the game, this has never been reflected by mechanics.

>>157871456
They said it in a previous stream, like the Religion one or something.

>Don't go anywher

>>157871456
They did specifically say Chief difficulty in relation to some AI bonus, but I honestly don't remember what the bonus was. Only stuck with me because he said Chief rather than Chieftain.

>>157871115
I think a simple fix would be to make it a diplomatic penalty to not take military action in a joint war, and then just program the AI to want to avoid that penalty with civs they like. That would put all 3 interaction types on roughly equal footing.

>>157871509
18 hour 30 min if you unlock with vpn

>>157871609
They said that chief doesn't go hunting for tech boosts, the above ones do.

>>157871667
what? how? what are you even? The problem is that if you let AI ignore game theory and bach as strong as they can, players whine that AI gangs up on them, if you don't AI undercommits. What does any of it have to do with diplomatic victory?

PLEASE SOMEONE TEACH ME ENDLESS LEGEND

PLEASE I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
THE TUTORIAL DOESN'T TEACH YOU ENOUGH

>>157871871
It's really not that complex. Just make sure you don't lose any battles.

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>>157871871
Ask specific questions.

>>157871871
http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Learn_the_basics
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf
Read the above, ctrl+f the below. Google the rest.

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>when you keep creating builder units for every kill but don't have any use for them anymore

>literally looks worse than Civ V
>takes almost double the specs to do so
explain

>>157872019
they can use builders to rush districts so it should be useful.. and theres still tiles unimproved

shit ai

>>157871860
The diplomatic penalty would just be another factor, they'd weigh it against the disadvantage of going first. Sometimes they wouldn't care and hope for the other civ to go first, while other times they'd consider the civ a too good ally to let them down and take initiative.

>>157872048
It literally looks better though.
And CiV used to kill my older PC for no fucking reason.

>>157872019

It's a lot easier to make out what you're looking at, don't have any of that shitty muddy texture.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/58cno0/after_watching_the_battle_royale_what_do_you_guys/

even reddit is shitting on the AI

>>157872048
artstyle=/=graphical fidelity, retard. civ 6 looks amazing in terms of its actual graphics, but the artstyle kinda makes it look shit.

>lead ai dev has never seen a domination victory

is that meant to be ok?

The AI seems very passive, there haven't been any wars for forever

Will stopping England from getting science victory overcome AI's reluctance to declare without casus belli?

>>157872090
Seems like they built way too many improvements to get any good adjacency bonuses. They could definitely afford removing some of them to build more districts, but AI is probably really bad at making sacrifices.

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Russia can into space!

>>157872336
its less likely to happen after modern era

>>157871860

It's not ignoring the game theory, it's adding adding another variable to changing the weighting.

Players whining about the AI ganging up on them is an issue with how aggressive the AI is. The AI ganging up on someone and failing to actually do anything just makes it look retarded.

Penalties for not taking military action would also apply to players and AIs fighting alongside the player - it'd making committing in general stronger and is in line with similar diplomatic penalties for ignoring treaties.

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So what are peoples opinions on Civ VI after seeing all those streams?

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>Lead AI designer says joint wars are useless with AI expect peace deal in 15 turns
>AI has never ever won a domination victory maximum 3 capitals took in thousands of simulations
>Warrior/archers in turn 300

why do we just take the dick from these devs?

>>157872862
good music
passive ai
wanna see multiplayer

>>157872163
>>157872625
I had a long post typed out, than hit escape by accident, fuck that, not typing again. Short version:
They can just change the balance to w/e the hell they want, literally. Letting AI to cooperate well, results in blobs that cut other blobs apart and then turn on each other. You don't want that every game. Adding variables, doesn't solve the core issue of determining what balance between the two would be the best.

>>157872862
it runs way faster than civ5, thats a big plus
I can run The Witcher 3 on max and very smooth but the unoptimized garbage that is civ5 takes forever

>>157872862
Makes me hope multiplayer will be good

It won't

>>157872862
This particular stream is really boring me, but I'm holding up my hope that it's just because most of the mid and lategame stuff is going on behind the scenes.

>>157872994
What's this "we" stuff?

>>157873046

They're already letting the AI cooperate, it's just shit at it. That's an AI problem, not a balance problem.

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>>157872862
Sticking to pic related till sale 30% or better.

>>157872862
10 out of 10 masterpiece of millennia would pre-purchase deluxe edition, even though I've gotten my key for free to promote this masterpiece of Firaxis.

>>157873121
"We" as in "civilization players".

>>157873160
You aren't getting the point. They can make AI trust each other at a drop of a hat, it will make them cooperate like bestest buds holding nothing back, but that ignores the game theory.and will inevitably result in both boring games and whiny players. The opposite of AI never attacking is just as bad. The problem is choosing a good spot between the two.