/cfog/ - Classic Fallout (& New Vegas) General

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best girl

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First for West Tek Research Facility

>>157688046
I died so many times for radiation poison my first playthrough ughh I didn't have any concept of radaway or rad-x

>>157688046
I always found the surface map of west-tek to be too empty to make sense.

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Posting for glorious commonwealths

>>157688553
maybe the whole building was covered up by sand and you're on the roof.

Or it's exterior was nuked just that badly

>>157688560
Fallout 1/2/NV were southwest, norhtwest, four corners, and north

Tactics was Midwest and Plains

Fallout 3 was columbia and Eastern

Fallout 4 was New england

that leaves Texas, Gulf, south East, and East Central, left to be used

>>157688046
Man I really love that design, it's just a fuckoff huge hole in the ground surrounded by corpses. It's simple but so effective at telling you this is an awful place to be.

>>157688869
>really want to Texas and Gulf covered
>I know they'll be ruined if Bethesda touches them

>>157689228
Both the Texas and Gulf Commonwealths are probably more suited to Bethesda then they are obsidian given how heavily entrenched in stereotypes they are.

>>157689228
After how poorly Obsidian handled a lot of shit in NV, I tend to disagree.
>Hey man, what should we do with the "Four States Commonwealth" area?

>You mean that massive chunk of land just as large as the areas shown by Fallout 1/2 combined?

>Yeah!

>Lets make it to where its normal but dumb fuck tribals who accomplished literally nothing in 200 years, despite the fact both the east and west coast got nuked harder, and rebuilt far more

>Lets also make Denver totally abandoned by humans

>Lets utterly destroy Salt Lake City

>Lets make Phoenix so insignificant we only mention it in an offhand comment once

>Lets make the two place to achieve anything a small city of Mormons

>Lets at the same type hype it up via graffiti all over the vanilla game, only to pull the rug out from under people and tell them its destroyed by the time we make a DLC about it

>And lets make everywhere else in the Four states are either totally conquered, or basically controlled, by a large group of slavers who are totally one dimensional and whose only real motives are to rape, enslave, and kill, everyone who isn't them!

It was seriously some of the most lazy as fuck writing I have ever seen.

>>157690297
>Lets make the two place to achieve anything a small city of Mormons
Lets make the only place*

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How come Bethesda changed Robobrains from using guns to having hand beams?

>>157690297
Seeing as how the alternative is biting far more than they can chew as is their wont, I'd say their handling of the Four Corners states was okayish.

>>157691458
Because its cooler to disintegrate someone than fill them with bullets?

>>157690297
I know Phoenix is fairly dead, but hasn't Flagstaff surpassed it as THE city of Arizona?

>>157691791
Not really. They're far more unique enemy in the old games.

In fallout 3 and NV, they're just another robot, with just another beam

>>157692034
I think you meant to say there a robot with a human brain inside controlling it and it doesn't wanna pick up a gun when it can shoot lasers out of its hands

>>157691572
I would have preferred had they not just gone
>Nothing happened there, and it doesn't matter, so lets make the Legion control basically all of it!
And actually done more with it.

They basically did the same with most of the north. Though, thats at least excusable because the north is traditionally an area of basically nothing.

Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, nothing but tribals, wilderness, and a few small pissant towns like the coal mining town the Drifter came from. So devoid of anything noteworthy that the Great Khan of all people could conquer most of it in short time in at least one ending to NV.

Basically, NV just felt like a massive dose of NCR circle jerking.
>The only place that matters and has done ANYTHING at all in the ENTIRE western U.S. is California!


For all their flaws, Fallout 3 and 4 were more interesting that regard because you had stuff like Diamond City and Megaton, both of which were 100+ years old, factions like the Railraod, the Institute, the Minutemen, the CoA, and established trade routes going all up and down the coast, by both land and sea, from Boston down south past the Capital Wasteland, to wherever the Broken Banks was.

They at least accomplished SOMETHING in 200 years, even if they were greatly held back by all the hostile shit they had to fight

>>157691858
No, the only mention of Flagstaff is in the Offical New Vegas Guide which briefly mentions its the Captial of the Legion.

But Sawyer has stated the Legion does not have cities of their own, and no civilian anything of their own.

Flagstaff is basically just a large military camp like The Fort.

But the "Offical" New Vegas game guide was written largely by Prima games, wh oare known to make shit up, and use old/outdated information.

Unless its mentioned in-game, its sfae to assume its 100% bullshit, just like all the shit in the offical Fallout 3 game guide that was never mentioned in-game.

>>157692203
Are you really comparing the acclompishments between 3/4 and 1/2/NV?

If the Capital Wasteland is so great, why does it look like it was bombed 2 years ago as opposed to 200? Why are there no farms or running water?

The only time Bethout has shown a faction actually doing something is the Pitt raiders and Ashur. Everyone else is still dogshit retarded, eating 200 radiated food and getting shot by raiders.

Sign me up for the tribal life any day.

>>157692594
>Why are there no farms
Because all the water is irradiated, and thus, nothing but simple grasses and bushed grow.

Besides that, there ARE brahmin farms though, we see them in places like Arfu, and Canterbury Commons.

>or running water?
There is, every major city, MEgaton, Rivet city, Tenpenny Tower, is either stated or shown to have water prufication machines, though very limited ones.

> eating 200 radiated food and getting shot by raiders.
Except, as shown in-game, tey largely don't eat 200 year old food.

They eat everything from mirelurk meat, to yao guai, giant ant, mole rat, rad roach, brahmin, mutfruit, punga, Rivet city is known to trade scrap metal for fresh food grown in its hydroponics lab.

>If the Capital Wasteland is so great, why does it look like it was bombed 2 years ago as opposed to 200?
I never said it was great, I said they had accomplished more then the people of the four states are.

Can you make an argument that isn't a straw man?

>legion controls almost all of AZ, NM, UT and CO

mary sue faction to be honest

>>157692942
>They did it in less then 40 years too

So I've walked from Goodsprings all the way to Wolfhorn Ranch and I didn't find a single suitable location to create a playable home.

It's either Wolfhorn Ranch or maybe Bradley's Shack but that's all I'm look at.

You start at Goodsprings and everyone in that town is a prospector so there's no reason they wouldn't have found that player home filled with loot yet.

You leave Goodsprings and head south and it's Powder Ganger territory. They pillage and kill so again there's no reason they wouldn't have come across a player home and ransacked it by now. Further Southeast is even more Powder Gangers and NCRCF.

But there's also the Wolf Radio or whatever it's called but it's not much of a home plus it's outdoors and I don't trust any of the containers.

There's literally nothing but geckos until you reach Primm and there's convicts and NCR and some citizens trapped. Not a suitable place for a player home.

You go even further and maybe that nearby drive-in could be a player home but it is still so close to Primm and there are nearby coyotes and feral ghouls.

Now you're at the Nevada Highway Patrol and there's a raider gang and nearby are fire ants and more feral ghouls. No place to create a player home.

Further up is that Nipton gas station with radscorpions everywhere. Up the hill is Mojave Outpost.

Instead if you go straight you end up in Morning whatever cave with a bunch of nightstalkers. Further up is an area filled with wildlife that all have their own turf. Golden gecko hunters run around, Mole Rats just chilling, and on the other side there are Giant Radscorpions defending their burrows. Too much going on to make a safe player home.

Instead if you go left and back onto the main road between the radscorpions and fire ants you find billboard signs and a raider gang encampment. Further up is Nipton and Legion territory. There is nowhere you can build a player house.

Past Nipton are big hills with nothing but bighorners and Bradley's shack.

>>157693202
It is actually kind of interesting. In Van Buren, Caesar's legion was just on of the many tribes in the mountain southwest, and they were facing a whole lot of opposition.

New Vegas turned it into them completely dominant group among four different states, when not any other faction in the series is that dominant.
Not even the NCR has that much control of California and the Core Region.

I think that's a good point, Obsidian introduced the Legion but not any opposing 'balance of power' group in the southwest, outside the NCR and Utah's mormons (to some degree). Even when the rest of the western side of the country has no reason to not be reasonably settled and organized.

>>157693516
Too bad you can't use it because Viper Gang members patrol the area especially the Viper Gang ambush. if you continue on the big hills you reach Caesar's Legion safehouse. It is a safehouse but you need to have gone over to the Fort first to get the key.

Further up is the Nuclear Test Site with angry feral ghoul reavers that have such a high perception they can detect you from very far away. Instead if you go left you start to get to Wolfhorn Ranch and you can see the Raided Farmstead and the burned down farm where that kid went crazy after his parents became ghouls.

Past Wolfhorn Ranch is nothing but road but if you stray away you will find the Legion Camp and perhaps some more raiders. You go further up and you find a Ranger Station but if you go past the Legion Camp you find Broc Flower Cave and past that is Camp Searchlight. Past the Ranger Station and you're already there at Novac and you can get a player home there.

So there is no place to build a player home in a suitable location that isn't intruding anyone's turf.

Maybe you can renovate a house in Nipton to be a player home but still there is nothing between Goodsprings and Novac.

>>157693623
>New Vegas turned it into them completely dominant group among four different states, when not any other faction in the series is that dominant.
DESU

I felt like they did it only to make the Legion seem like a credible threat to the NCR, because, realistically they wouldn't be.

That also kinda feeds into the other major issue I have with NV(Not that I thin its a bad game) where I feel like they made the NCR TOO stupid.

I mean, I get that the NCR is supposed to be dysfunctional, but the sheer amount of shit they fail to do, regardless of how simple it is, it just beyond the realm of beliveability.

On the other hand, the Legion is just TOO good at manipulating everyone, to the point it isn't believable.

New Vegas didn't have that moment where they pull back the curtan, and you see the NCR and Legion aren't as bad as you originally thought.

Liike, in Fallout 4, you spend the whole game hearing about how the Institue is behind everything, yet you eventually find out 99% of it is bullshit
>The Institute didn't destroy the CPG.
>The Broken Mask Incident was legitimately a 100% accident, and the synth was never supposed to be sent to the surface.
>Most synths inside normal human populations are the Railroad's Fault, not The Institute's.
>The destruction of University Point was mostly Kellogg, and not The Institute itself
>The FEV program was classified to the point not even the other division heads knew about it, it was just a small cabal of scientists on their own.

New Vegas didn't really have that.

the NCR is just unreasonably bad at everything, and the Legion is unreasonably good at everything, as its the only way to make the war seem fair.

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>>157694163

>>157694163
>Legion is unreasonably good at everything

That's a problem that I do have with the game.
Tthe player will constantly be told about what the Legion has done "the legion has razed this town, the legion is torturing these captured soldiers, the legion is enslaving people", aside from telling the player that these guys are the villains, it's also telling them that the Legion apparently doesn't need help, it's managing perfectly with player intervention.

Which not only gives the player very little reason support or feel sympathetic with the faction, it also gives them far less quest content. (barring that the game is already unfinished)

>>157694690
>with player intervention.
*without

>>157694632
Hsu is a nice guy, but totally unable, or unwilling, to do anything to improve the NCR's situation unless you basically drag him into it.

>>157694163
>a crack team of modders will never become drinking buds with sawyer, convince him to write a legion side of the game as it should have been, and create a fuckhuge expansion east of the collarado fleshing them out as more than a mary sue faction with no grey morality
Why
Live
?

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>>157695594
>Hanlon commits sudoku
>President Kimball gets assassinated
>Colonel Moore dies at Hoover Dam
>General Lee Oliver gets thrown into Hoover Dam
>based James Hsu becomes president
>makes NCR great again

>Caesar dies from his tumor
>Legate Lanius dies at Hoover Dam
>Legion starts a civil war over leadership and government philosophies

>>157695865
The only real cut part of the Legion in NV was the town of Willow Beach on the other side of the river.

People mistake that the LEgion had cut content with the LEgion having cut content that would have made them the size of the NCr in-game.

They don't.

>tfw no option to kill Caesar and take over his Legion yourself
Serious question though, in a culture like that, what would happen if you killed the supposed son of Mars? Sure a lot of them would be pissed and try to kill you, but could you not set yourself up as something greater? Especially if you cut his head off and put it on a stick? Obviously there will still be some who would make a martyr of him but this legion is still a tribe.

>>157696583
They would all try to kill you, and then they would begin infighting over who is worthy to take over.

Sawyer actually talked about this a little is describing how Caesar is like Julius Caesar, specifically stating he didn't leave a clear line of succession.

>>157696583
because it isn't a Bethesda game.

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Institute > everyone else

>>157696583
>tfw proving caesar's dogma right and killing him

I have just about had it with New Vegas Redesigned.

You fuckers convinced me FCO was bad and so I uninstalled it and went with NVR3 instead.

Now there's nudity that I didn't ask for, serious NPC changes that I didn't ask for, quests, items, scripts, and music I didn't ask for.

I just want NPCs to not look like shit. I don't want any of that other extra bullshit.

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>>157696761
please leave.

>>157696684
True, it would be extremely shitty. Though like I said, I'm more interested in how they would realistically respond rather than sending endless assassination patrols after you that do nothing save make you richer
>>157696672
So, back to the killing? Fair enough.

>>157697059
I wish you could have at least buried that little bastard out on the surface instead of leaving him to blow up in the Institute. Either one is fitting I suppose.

so is this thread finally alive yet

I was hoping maybe we could rally NMA and all the oldfags together to bomb bethesda on social media for october 23rd out of pure spite for great war day

>>157697336
i just want regular people to know what Bethesda did wrong and that they created a bad game.

>>157697506

how many times has that worked over the past 8 years

Oh, we turned all the Bethesda fans into likeminded people like us! Yeah that never is going to happen because people legitimately like their games, and not that many stupid people either. The only way to make a difference is to make enough of a stink to Bethesda that they are forced to respond. Make a whole controversy out of it too, socially engineer some shit to make them look like assholes so that people jump on the bandwagon.

Or if anything just storm the devs personal accounts so they become at least aware that the old fans are still angry. Anything is better than letting Bethesda CONTINUE to get the constant pitiful praise they get on social media when they're ignoring the highly rated negative reviews of their games. Trying to influence Bethesda fans is useless.

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>>157696095
>Colonel Moore dies
Truly the most satisfying kill

What mods for weapons do (You) use, anon?

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So how did someone within a vault with killer vegetation build a better prototype of a laser rifle?

>>157699079
None. Just vanilla + weapons mods like WMX and Paint your Weapon.

I don't like tacticool shit. It doesn't look or feel right to use.

>>157699083
>2 mfc per shot
>ugly green laser
>better

>>157699079
I wanted to install paciencia sight fix, but now I get used to it.

>>157699373
>Ugly
shit taste desu

>>157699373
>better damage
>plenty of mfc so who cares

>>157688553
It's near/ on Riverside. That area's pretty much a desert.

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>>157697059
I'll admit interplay/obsidian have distinctly better stories and worldbuilding but I enjoyed fallout3/4 immensely but fuck. It didn't occur to me just how fucking thin the veneer of FO4 really is

>>157699828
Does it end up being more efficient though?

>>157699528
>he likes green
More basic than the lowest of plebs.

>>157697913
I dont even care too much for Beth's games, and this is some hilarious as fuck conspiracy shit

>>157697059
>>157697268
I still don't know why Bethesda took the role play out of the role play game.

It's BoS levels of incompetence.

>>157700179
>Does it end up being more efficient though?
Honestly, if you're concerned about efficient usage of the MF cells, just exclusively use the plasma caster.

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Heres an early beta map of NV with several locations that didnt appear in-game marked

>>157700448
>underpass not on there

>>157700309
Because what role playing means has changed in the many years, and what they are doing is more in line with the current definition of role playing then the classical one

>>157700323
That's not the point. The original question called the fuckugly green prototype laser the "better laser rifle". Technically, it's not better if it wastes batteries.

>>157700645
This was before Underpass IIRc.

That map is like, literally, draft 1 map

>>157699079
simple retextures like WRP, EVE, and IHWT

i have barely added any new guns and i only have guns that more or less do unique things.

Glock 357 Pistol, Uzi, Double Barrel Shotgun, MP412 REX, M16, M4A1, Steyr Scout, B92FS, L96, Mateba Revolver, DEagle, HK CAWS, Pancor Jackhammer, G3SG1, G36K, WA2000.

Like half of them I didn't put into world loot rotation and you had to buy them. Many painstaking hours spent on balancing them and I still don't think it's enough.

>>157700309
It's the LCD game. Gotta get a new audience. The last was five years ago with NV, the nin-hardcore fans probably forgot about it. I do wonder what they thought they'd gain by coming out in such a competitive year though. Hopefully this makes them try harder next time. They won't

Will we ever get a non-shit fallout game ever again?

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>>157687810
Daily Reminder

>You will never be a loving caring early 30-something father who abuses drugs, eats people, and slaughters entire villages while ignoring his sons abduction

>>157701070
>Fucking up ALSiD
And the darkness comprended it not

>>157701093
>father
you mean first-time mother with a law degree and no background military training

>>157701070
But why would you defile Maria like that.
I thought Mil was based.

>>157701031
You have to spook Todd first.

>>157701263
Mil was never based.

All Mil ever did was take a metal texture, apply sharpness on it 100 times, then slap it on a gun, and call it a day.

Mil is one of the singularly most lazy modders out there

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How do I go through new vegas as a pacifist?

>>157701859
speech, run away and abuse stealth boys

>>157701859
Level up speech and sneak and go non-Legion?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJcep_l4388

>>157701231
post partum depression is a hell of a drug

>>157699083
Looks like they just lugged it there to prospect honestly, and being retarded tried loading it with sec instead of mfc and died

>>157699373
with EVE, the laser is purple

Who was your favorite companion in New Vegas?

I always traveled with Veronica and Rex

>>157704835
ed-e

>>157704835
Whiskey Rose and Ed-E.

>>157704827
With EVE, your game will fucking die.

>>157704965
>>157704989
I used ED-E a lot after Lonesome Road

>>157704827
>There is a sticky note on the observable back of the weapon that says "Focus: 1064 nm, 532 nm (SHG), 8.18pm!!!" This refers to the wavelength of the laser light, 1064 nm (infra-red) being the fundamental wavelength of the laser and 532 nm (green) being the second harmonic. SHG stands for second harmonic generation, a frequency conversion process that uses a set of crystals that double the frequency of the light making an IR (1064 nm) light look green (532 nm, half 1064 nm).
>LOL PURPLE BECAUSE NO REASON

>>157705380
welp. guess i'm changing it.

>>157700309
Near enough every game they've made has had fewer RPG elements than the previous one, it's not exactly a surprise.

>>157697059
Oh man
I fallow a Fallout page on Facebook, and a long while back and they asked 'what is wrong with Fallout 4?' or something to that effect

I want on this insanely long tirade about how fucking stupid the Institute is.

"We need to create the most realistic synths possible. They will be our slaves."
"Why?"
"Because they are the next step in human evolution! Mankind redefined!"
"Then why are they your slaves?"
"Also why did you give up on cybernetic augmentations?"
"Because its weird and not normal to live that long!"
"But making immortal slave robots that are almost indistinguishable from humans is?"
-mean while, in the Mojave-
>The Courier kicks down the door to the Followers of the Apocalypses doctors officer
>"DOC. I FOUND A NEW UPGRADE. PUT IT IN ME RIGHT NOW."
>"B-but you already have so many!"
>"DO IT FAGGOT."

>>157706819
>-mean while, in Big Mountain-
>so if I livestream my brain and replace my spine and heart I can't get concussed, carry twice as much shit, and can't be poisoned? FUCK YEAH LETS GO

>>157706819
Seriously, an underfunded, under supplied, group of 'doctors' who get most of their learning from old text books can preform highly advanced, specialized surgery on the fucking fly for anyone who asks
But THATS JUST SO MUCH FOR THE INSTITUTE. THERE HAS TO BE A LINE SOMEWHERE
AND ROBO-CLONE SLAVES IS THAT LINE!

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>>157706819
>ranting on Facebook
>going on Facebook
>having an account on Facebook
Anon why

>>157707045
He is more machine than man now.

>Twisted and evil?

What? No. He is the like the greatest hero who ever lived. After that Vault Dweller guy... who was also a cyborg!

>>157707045
Don't forget the machnes that spontaneously generate usable matter and the hardlight invincible holograms.
>tfw my brother still claims the Institute is more impressive with synths, never mind the fact they're basically flash clones with some robot shit inside
Hell, even cloning isn't that impressive any more because it already fucking exists with Gary.

>Joshua uses his pistol as melee only at the end of HH
Is it a bug, or is it because I bought all the .45 ammo from him?

>>157707253
Don't forget casually coding sentient AIs

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So what is your favorite primary weapon? I gotta go with Pew Pew or gatling laser

>>157701031
Maybe if Bethesda stops being shit and hire a third party developer that knows how to make an RPG

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>>157707594
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Joshua's_Pistol_Whippin'_.45

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>>157707752

>>157707830
>Can't obtain one

>>157707892
>bozar
Shit taste my boy

what was the best for new vegas?
NCR,House,Legion,Yesman?

>>157707752
That is a hard one
I swap around a lot

I was always a fan of a modded Laser Rifle (no scope), combat shot gun, Ranger Revolver, the All American and an Anti Material Rifle

>>157708131
Its really matter of option

>>157708131
tossup between house and ncr, legion just fucks everyone's shit up and yesman is just retardproofing the ending

>>157708353
Yes Man can work (in theory)
It really all depends on the Couriers personality (and your own head canon I guess)

I always imagined he establishes some sort of council with all the different factions in the Mojave where he keeps the peace and shit

>>157708750
What does the courier do when a fight breaks out?
Does he just take all his companions and kill that faction completely lol

>>157708818
No he tells army of heavily armed robots to break up the fight
Drag both of the leaders back to the Lucky 38 and make them kiss and make up
Or just kill them
Again, depends on the Couriers

>>157708750
no. the citizens of new vegas are a resilient and fair group of people. then you have the kings and the followers of the apocalypse helping people out.

>>157709080
I always felt like the courier is just kinda eh about everything so hed probably just kill them if they made up

>>157709280
Depends on how the player.

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g-guys, is he gonna be okay

>>157709658
I hope he did it

Someone finally put down that sick Motor Runner sonofabitch. Good riddance.

>>157710340
I always enjoyed killing the Raider bosses
if only because it makes the NCR looking woofully incompetent
"Reports are coming in that one guy high on UltraJet wearing a space suit killed every Raider from here to Forlorn Hope with a golf club and brass knuckles"

>>157694001
>>157693516
what about the little blank area just south of primm pass near the caves?

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Why does this general feel so empty today?

>>157713260
You can only debate about which favtion is correct and shit on Bethesda so many times before it starts getting old. If there were some new, more substantial mods out things would probably be different.

why use 2 different generals?
why not combine both?

>>157713797
Fallout 3 and 4 are completely different and are not considered real Fallout games.

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>>157713576
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/62284/?

>>157714096
Actually very useful. I'm surprised I never found anything like that before.

>>157713956
but they are fallout games, they are just have different gameplay

>>157707752
I always go for a fully modified Hunting Rifle.Nothing like a .308 to put them face down in the sand.

>>157705080
I don't know much about the mod. Why would it kill your game?

>>157714323
they are not Fallout games because they do not stem from the same core ideas.

>>157697059
>"Kellogg? Kellogg?"
>"Yes sir?"
>"There you are, Kellogg"
>"What did you need?"
>"I was wondering about the progress of my father i assume the wasteland hasnt taken him yet?"
>"No sir, hes actually doing pretty good"
>"Fantastic. I assume hes trying to find me? Asking around Diamond City, perhaps?"
>"Uh yeah hes still in Sanctuary."
>"Sanctuary? Where is that?"
>"The old neighborhood you all used to live in before the bombs...hes uh living there with the minutemen"
>"The minutemen?"
>"Yeah you know those guys who dress up as colonial settlers for no reason? Hes their leader now."
>"Oh yes them. So he worked to restore their ranks and they named him their leader eh?"
>"Naw their old one was too lazy. Anyway hes been building a village up there for a few months now. Sometimes he'll go kill some ghouls nearby. Thats about it."
>"oh...okay"
6 months later
>"Kellogg good to see you. Hows my father doing?"
>"Well our synths havent seen him in a while sir."
>"How? We have complete coverage of the commonwealth!"
>"Hes in Maine sir"
>"Maine? What in the hell is he doing there?"
>"Well you know that gen 2.5 synth detective we failed to kill and then just kind of let live in Diamond city?"
>"Yes."
>"Well he went with him to go find some asian girl"
>"For fucks sake."

>>157714915
what are the core ideas of the real fallout games?

>>157701859
Get a companion and have them do all the combat for you.

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>>157715434
there's more to it, but the very fundamentals of Fallout 3 and 4 are wrong. The writing and design do not match the tone of the previous games and made too many unnecessary changes to present the player with the illusion of choice.

>>157715434
those games have no consequences and the fact that they made a lot of NPCs unkillable proves that they want the player to play the game a certain way; their way.

>>157715775
seems they share many similarities, i mean, i could say that fallout 3 and 4 are spiritual successors of 1 and 2, but yeah the writing of all the games are not perfect.

>>157716108
but they have consequences, not big ones, but they are still consequences.

>>157716419
they don't share any similarities.

Bethesda is just using Fallout as a brand. It's only Fallout by name only. Their generic games name-drop all the things from the previous games in a random chaotic order for recognition. They do not use the source material appropriately and they do not care.

>>157716845
i think the franchise and the game just evolved for good. Yes they are not perfect, but they are good and i think that they are indeed fallout games.

>>157710862
>Do three card bounty
>Dhatri tells you theyve got nothing to do know that you killed those three chucklefucks
Its so simple you dunces

>>157718120
nope. not even close. let me guess, your first Fallout game was 3.

>>157718335
yes, but that doesn't stop me to appreciate fallout 1, 2 an even tactics. i love a good RPG but the hate of 3 and 4 and the way how people react to even dismiss them as a fallout game really throw me off. But that just my opinion. Thank for read my point.

>>157696761
>"We wanted to reflect the way the people of the 1950s saw the future. We wanted robots to look more like Robby the Robot and less like the Terminator" ~ Tim Cain

>" lets put a army of terminators in thur Gilbert!" ~ the meme guy who never tells the truth

>>157710862
>Not tweaking the fuck out on turbo, steady, psycho and slasher, and then killing all the way across the mojave with a pocket knife

Is there literally reason to not go 6 6 9 1 6 6 6 when making a character?i try to do other builds, but anything that isnt this makes me feel like i'm gimping myself.

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Fallout Seattle when?

>>157721668
6671677

>>157721892
you miss out on those sick implants if you go 7 endurance. Also luck is a useless stat to put special points into since you can just boost it later

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>>157722903
>luck is a useless stat

>>157723187
no, just useless to put excessive points into as you can just grab the luck implant then boost the rest using intense training and apparel.

>>157706819
So much of this is wrong

>"We need to create the most realistic synths possible. They will be our slaves."
This is true
>"Because they are the next step in human evolution! Mankind redefined!"
This is not what mankind redefined means. Mankind redefined refers to the post-work state of existance that will be achived once synths are perfected, and humans finally exist in a state where they can spend 100% of their time doing whatever they want instead of having to deal with things like facility upkeep.

>"Also why did you give up on cybernetic augmentations?"
Because immortality in humans always leads to either insanity, or increased insanity, or some form of megalomania

See The Master, Professor Calvert, The Think Tank, Conrad Kellogg, House.

>want to use new bison steve and awop
>they add cheat items throughout the map
why

>>157724085
>house crazy or megalomanic
literally have never seen something so wrong in my entire life. One of his first conversations is about how he won't fall short due to a lust for more power.

>>157701859

Avoid killing and fighting.

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>>157724085
>trying to paint the Institute in a good light
>trying to make the Institute sound competent and intelligent

>>157724291
>One of his first conversations is about how he won't fall short due to a lust for more power.
>believing a megalomaniac when he says he isn't a megalomaniac
>forgetting his entire needless forcing of everyone around him to play doll dress up house party so he can try to pretend his precious city of Vegas was never destroyed in the war.

House is a clearly unstable control freak, completely disconnected from the rest of humanity, which is the fundamental reason why each of the three families betray him in one form or another.

>>157724517
He doesn't want to play dress up, he has to though so he can attract the NCR and tax the hell out of them. His whole plan was to make the city seem pre-war yet still active so the NCR would want to move into the territory. If they walked through the mojave and just saw a ruined city full of raiders and a malfunctioning dam, they would have probably just fucked off.

>>157724647
>He doesn't want to play dress up,
Except he does, which is why he kicked everyone else out of the Strip area, which onyl hurt his long term plans, much like everything else he has done.

> he has to though so he can attract the NCR and tax the hell out of them
Which is an entirely doomed plan because, as numerous people point out, the entire situation in the mojave is unsustainable to the NCR, and, after having fucked up for so many years, no one in the NCR wants to be in the Mojave.

Its pretty much directly stated that if the NCR loses, as they do in a House victory, the resulting political turmoil would destroy the NCR as a nation, making all their money worthless, and thus, making House's plan impossible.

House has functionally shot himself in the foot at every possible chance since the war, which is why, at the start of NV, he has literally zero chances of winning unless the Courier helps him.

>>157724085
The Think Tank would've been fine to a degree, if they didn't end up reprogramming (read lobotomising) each other.

>>157725026
Na, they were already immortal and unethical douche bags before the war, being kept alive longer would have only made them more so.

No to mention, the only reprogramming they did to each other was messing with their crhonomiters, so they had no idea how much time had passed, and erasing their memories of the outside world, so they wouldn't spread their evil out there also.

Nothing they did to each other made them more crazy.

>>157724832
It doesn't matter if the NCR fails as a nation, house just needs to steal their revenue. Also the NCR would never collapse, they have too big an influence and also the heaviest plot armor of any faction. And even if they did, by the time the NCR actually collapses, it would be so far into the future that vegas would be a functioning independant state and wouldn't need them anymore. Realisitically, a house ending would just force the NCR out of vegas while still attracting business from their citizens. Sure, they'd lose power, but they'd just have to downsize and retreat back into california.
Also i don't know what you could be referencing by saying house shot himself in the foot. Literally everything that he directly handled himself went his way. The only times things got out of hand was when benny fucked him over, which was just a very small misjudgment in the grand scheme of things.

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>>157706819
>>The Courier kicks down the door to the Followers of the Apocalypses doctors officer
>>"DOC. I FOUND A NEW UPGRADE. PUT IT IN ME RIGHT NOW."
>>"B-but you already have so many!"
>>"DO IT FAGGOT.

>tfw this is pretty much the character i play in ever RPG

Human purity is overrated.

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>>157712934
do you mean here?

>>157714323
So is Brotherhood of Steel but you don't see them talking about it do you?

>>157725405
>Also i don't know what you could be referencing by saying house shot himself in the foot.
Have you played NV?

After being put into a coma due to his incomplete systems during the Great War, House wakes up in 2138, literally YEARS before even Shady Sands is founded.

Despite this, he makes literally zero effort to use any of his large robot workforce that he has access to(you know, the one he uses to recruit the 3 senpaitachi in the first place) to try to rebuild Vegas, and get the local peoples on his side.

If he had, Vegas could have been a self built functional city state before the NCR was even a thing.

To top this off, when he does get off his ass, a mere 7 years before NV begins, when the NCR first shows up in the region, he illogically screws over most of the local population by forcing them into run down slums, which only destoryed any possible support he could have gotten from them, but also dramatically weakened his power base.(if you remember, he recruited the Three Families and built Vegas to ward off the NCR a bit, as they didn't want to waste troops trying to take Vegas when they needed to fight the Legion)

Then, House takes the singular worst approach when it comes to running Vegas itself, being so entirely hands off that the White Gloves try to revert to cannibalism( a break in their contract), the Omertas develop the derogatory slang term "Not at Home" for House, and make their plans to gas the strip and take it over because House can't run it, and House's hand picked successor from the Chairmen betrays him as well.

THEN, to further fuck up his own plans, he sends one of his personal, and easily traceable, robots to organize an obviously suspicious order of 7 packages of various misc items, which only makes it incredibly easy to find the plat chip if you know what to look for, like Benny did.

This results in Benny getting the plat chip, House being left with zero agents, and his entire plan threatens to fall apart

(cont)

>>157726008
In short, literally everything House has done has been entirely moronic, and obviously defeatist to his entire plan.

He shot himself in the foot by
-Not establishing a power base, and rebuilding the city, despite having over 100 years to do so

-Throwing out the overwhelming majority of people who could have reinforced his powerbase simply because they wouldn't play doll house dress up, despite the fact he didn't need them all too

-Not bothering to manage his assests in any sort of reasonable or logical way, resulting in all of them turning on him

-Setting up the singularly most stupid and obvious delivery method for his mcguffin item he NEEDED to have any chance at winning the war.

House did literally EVERYTHING possible wrong

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>>157725405
>>157726008
>>157726173
I'm so glad that for once I won't feel bad when killing Mr. House for my NCR run.
Thank you anon, my inabiltiy to win any arguments (be it on the internet or in real life) made me very dependent on others' opinions, and it's good to see something break the moldof faction discussion in this thread, which was being either a zealous Legionfag or a Housefag like myself.

>>157726536
To be perfectly honest.

House is easily, bar none, one of, if not THE, singularly most poorly written major character in the Fallout franchise, excluding that non-canon BoS shit.

Nothing he does or says makes any sense, or hold any sort of logical weight to it.

The only reason I can see for liking him is that House is basically the worst of the Internet's armchair intellectualism rolled into one character.

He uses big words, and likes to talk a whole bunch of theory, but nothing he actually says makes sense.

Poor T-45. The unloved middle child of the power armor family.

>>157724291
Dude, I've only ever played House runs, and even I know that House is a megalomaniac. Any decent autocrat is.

>>157725464
>implying cybernetics is somehow impure

The best way to improve the human condition is by upgrading ourselves with the tools that we created as a species. Gimping yourself by denying the gift of progress is probably the most inhuman thing someone can do.

Wasteland Cyborg Cowboy Messiah forever

>>157696872
>I have just about had it with New Vegas Redesigned.
No, I specifically told you and everyone else who asks to get FCO if you DON'T want ridiculous changes and just want a simple face change.
But you didn't listen.

>>157714651
It doesn't, it's a meme.
I've used it for years without a single issue.

>>157726173
>despite having over 100 years to do so
>implying he wasn't in a coma for most of that time
Good job knowing what you're talking about.

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>CaliberX adds a bunch of cool new ammo types to the game
>hand load perk now requires Guns instead of Repair
>every single ammo recipe has been changed to Guns instead of Repair
>all the energy weapons ammunition have been moved from working bench to reloading bench
>casings and hulls now have weight

>>157731145
>Good job knowing what you're talking about.
Did you fail basic reading comprehension?

>>157726008
>After being put into a coma due to his incomplete systems during the Great War, House wakes up in 2138, literally YEARS before even Shady Sands is founded.

>>157731782
>Did you fail basic reading comprehension?
Did you?
He didn't have "over 100 years to do so", he was in a coma until recently.
IIRC, he's had a decade or two.

>>157731849
>He didn't have "over 100 years to do so", he was in a coma until recently.
Except again

HE WOKE UP FROM THE COMA IN 2138

The game is set in 2281, 143 years later

>>157724085
>Conrad Kellogg
Kellogg is quite sane, and 200 years isn't immortality.

>>157733965
So it's only immortality when they outlive the heat-death of the universe?
I'm not saying Kellogg is immortal, but 200 years for a non-ghoul is fantastic.

Are you the same retard who thinks House isn't immortal?

>>157708818
>What does the courier do when a fight breaks out?
Passes a speech or intimidate check, probably.

>>157715180
>>"Well you know that gen 2.5 synth detective we failed to kill and then just kind of let live in Diamond city?"
Fuckin' A, do they ever address why Nick isn't the target of some courser?

>>157733965
except hes not, hes a psychopath, and even Father notes Kellogg was been getting more ruthless and cruel every mission he took.

>>157734376
Because hes a failed prototype that they lost literally 100 years ago, and, at this point, they don't care.

>>157726008
>After being put into a coma due to his incomplete systems during the Great War, House wakes up in 2138, literally YEARS before even Shady Sands is founded.
I thought he said he was jury-rigging software patches to not die until rather recently.

>>157734448
>I thought he said he was jury-rigging software patches to not die until rather recently.
No, he says the systems crashed during the war, he had to shut the reactor down, then spent 5 years trying to fix the system, then fell into a coma for decades.

the coma happened AFTER he tried fixing his computers.

He woke up fro mthat coma in 2138

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/MrHouse.txt
Courier: How did you nearly die, defending Vegas?
House: Software glitches set off a cascade of system crashes. I had to take the Lucky 38's reactor offline, lest it melt down. For nearly five years I battled power outages and more system crashes until I finally managed to reboot my data core with an older version of the OS. I spent the next few decades in a veritable coma. But I survived, obviously - and eventually thrived.

>>157734613
Where you getting 2138 from?

>>157734642
The offical New Vegas guide. It also matches with what House says that he spent the next few decades in a coma.

Sawyer already confirmed the whole deal with House is a plot hole originating from the fact that originally New Vegas was going to be set between Fallout 2 and 3, but they moved it to after Fallout 3, but forgot to change dialogue and notes and shit to reflect that change.

>>157734734
>Sawyer already confirmed the whole deal with House is a plot hole originating from the fact that originally New Vegas was going to be set between Fallout 2 and 3, but they moved it to after Fallout 3, but forgot to change dialogue and notes and shit to reflect that change.
The rest of the stuff is a valid argument for House sucking but I wouldn't hold an obvious dev oversight against him.

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>>157734734
>The offical New Vegas guide
The Prima one?

>>157734809
Even if you moved New Vegas to be set between Fallout 2 and Fallout 3, that still gives House like 60 years where he does literally nothing to further his goals, which is still outright dumb.

Even the Institute TRIED to work with the people of the surface, and help them the rebuild, within a couple decades of being founded.

>>157735056
Correction, it would give him anywhere from 105, to 138 years where he did literally nothing.

>>157734376
Not really. You'd figure they'd leave him be since they need some good press and he's the only synth people don't kill on sight but since they want to replace all humans with synths (I assume? The institutes endgame makes no fucking sense to me) it wouldn't really matter.

Fallout 4: it don't matter none of this matters

>>157734440
Except they do care about DiMA and his synth haram which is miles away

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I need help, /cfog/.
I have a GTX 660ti, and New Vegas crashes on launch unless I paste d3d9.dll into the directory, which makes the game think I'm running on an older card that it supports.
That's all fine and dandy, however, I can't install ENBs because they need their own version of d3d9.dll, which doesn't fix crashing like the other version.
If I rename one to d3d9a.dll, will they both continue to work, or will I just have to play without an ENB?

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>>157687982
Purest and most true best girl right here

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>>157736416
roll back drivers to 368.81 or download latest beta of NVAC

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635

>>157740145
>lets literally anyone and everyone use her
>pure

>>157741624
The Courier is the only one to ever use her though nigger.

Unless you give her to your friendos, which says more about you than it does her something something cuck

>>157740145
I expected you to post Maria.

>>157741806
You only have to leave her lying somewhere in your home and she WILL give herself to anyone who comes around. Face it, your waifu is a slut and she can't even help it.

>>157741905
>babe so pure, even her headshots are non-lethal
lmao 9mm
Good taste.

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>>157740145
>tfw you will never pop a boner while wearing the Stealth suit as she asks "Do you like me?"

>>157741905
>>157742176
>Chandler canonically uses her to bang
>pure

USED GOODS

>>157742392
>Virgin Lady Maria
>not pure
Heretic.

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How is it that even the waifufagging in here is infinitely more entertaining than in /fog/?

>>157742660
because here it's a fucking joke like it should be

>>157742176
>even her headshots are non-lethal
Isn't the joke that using her to kill benny requires three shots in the head as opposed to the two he gave you?

>>157745192
Wouldn't that depend on your characters guns skill or can it really only kill him with three shots?

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>>157708353
>ncr
Holy shit are people still this deluded?
It's literally the worst ending by far.

>>157692384
>But Sawyer has stated the Legion does not have cities of their own, and no civilian anything of their own.
he said pretty much the opposite. as did caesar btw

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_Legion#Behind_the_scenes

>>157741905
>Unironically using a gun that once shot you in the head
I take that bitch and I throw her off Hoover Dam.

>>157746692
>worst ending isn't legion
>vegas under the control of 1 dimensional wannabe romans who enslave everyone and murder anybody who doesn't want to be a slave
>ending literally emphasizes how fucking terrible life is for everyone under the legion

At least the NCR has the fucking guise of freedom and democracy

>>157748031
Are you a liberal by any chance anon?
It's not the gun, it's the person. The gun isn't to blame for anything, it didn't have a say in who it shot

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>>157746692
>It's literally the worst ending by far.

>>157746692
>>157748157
Worst ending is Idiot Proof: The "Faction".
After that, everyone has their own opinion, but it's objectively the worst and only exists for, well, idiots and "what if it was actually a good idea u guise??!!"

>>157749063
I would argue that even objectively (if you look pass Yesman/Idiot proof ending), then the Legion is the "worst" of the three remaining options.

Aside from Goodsprings and Primm paying taxes, and the Great Khans eventually get moved on regardless, NCR is probably the best option for everyone else. House is the best option for the Courier; same rewards and outcomes as Yesman but none of the responsibility of running New Vegas itself.

Yesman is still the worst ending though, for the reasons you described. It really should have been the Brotherhood or even Benny.

>>157750694
>NCR is probably the best option for everyone else. House is the best option for the Courier
I see it as House is best for Vegas, NCR is best for the country as a whole.

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>>157748157
>Legion enslaves everyone and murder anybody who doesn't want to be a slave
Try informing yourself before you spout bullshit, NCR-tard.
Legion only enslaves/kills backward tribals and those actively opposing the Legion.

>at least NCR has the fucking guise of freedom and democracy
You're literally saying their hypocrisy and dishonestly is a good thing, think about that for a second.

>>157750694
>Brotherhood

there really should have been a brotherhood centered ending
i get that their entire quest line was meant to emphasize that the brotherhood's traditions are slowly destroying them, but still, i just want a proper fucking brotherhood ending
instead they either get raped, get pussified, or get turned into glorified raiders

>>157750848
>roleplaying faggots

>>157748157
Goodsprings, Novac and Primm can survive relatively intact under the Legion. I don't know about the others, but basically if they're neutral they generally do quite well.

>>157750694
>brotherhood
>ok fork over your robots
> hey, niggers with the lasers, we see you cough em up
>house;your magic anti death pod, that's ours now
>platinum chip huh? guess what: ours
>NCR what the fuck are you doing that's not how power armor works give that back before you hurt yourselves
>ok that's all the tech then, peace bitches

>>157750850
There is a fine line though. On the one hand I'm glad the BoS are only a minor faction in FNV, and the reasons behind that are well written and perfectly reasonable. If they were a major faction, you are in danger of making them too similar to the bastardized versions that Bethesda have created.

Still, two of the four endings are very similar, which in an ideal world, wouldn't happen. Caesar and Lanius are two different Legion outcomes but ultimately equal to just one ending, so why not the same for Yesman and House, and then simply add a fourth option.

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>>157750758
>NCR
>best for the country
whew kimball
go away, nobody believes you cunts

>>157751091
>then simply add a fourth option.
>simply

>>157751017
Novac and Primm are dependent on what choice you make. Novac is still overrun by the Legion, it's up the player whether or not they want to sort the ghoul problem out. As for Primm, obviously getting the NCR to take over will fuck them, and their only source of income, the casino, will be shut down under Legion control.

>>157751028
See this is how you'd do a Brotherhood ending. No "for the greater good/save the world" bullshit. Jump in, find whatever House has stored in the Lucky 38, fuck the NCR up, and then get out of there.

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Sicne this whole talk of NCR came up, should I destroy or ally BoS in my next run which is for NCR?

>>157750848
>Legion only enslaves/kills backward tribals and those actively opposing the Legion
So a good 80% of everyone in the game?

>>157751028
i'd dig this as an ending for the brotherhood
no hippie dippie crap, just tech thieving and fucking up any bitches who won't cough up

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>>157751028
>> hey, niggers with the lasers, we see you cough em up
Fucking kek
Great ending anon, although I'd like it if they went full crusade on Jacobstown and the ghouls scattered around the Mojave.

>>157749063
Yesman with a Courier who genuinely cares about the situation and enlists all possible factions for the Independent Vegas is arguably the best ending.

Yesman with a "lol I blew all the other opportunities up" Courier is the worst, yeah.

That's the beauty of it!

>>157751368
It's hardly the Legion's fault most of them are retarded pro-NCR circlejerkers.

>>157751735
>Yesman with a Courier who genuinely cares about the situation and enlists all possible factions for the Independent Vegas is arguably the best ending.
I already covered that.
>"what if it was actually a good idea u guise??!!"
That's you.
It's fucking stupid.

>>157751735
>yesman is a bad ending
I dun get it
I mean, if you really dont pledge your allegiences to any of the obviously insane and corrupt higher powers in the region, Yes man behind a good karma courier is a good ending

its meant to be about roleplay, right? When I hear people say its a bad ending I just struggle to get it

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What if we bombard Beth's Social media accounts on 23rd and make our own "Great War"

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So what are the downsides to legion other than getting instantly crucified because you tried to lit a cigarette or they found a card deck in your pocket?
I don't expect legion fanboys to answer seeing how much they adore their to-be-utopia, but I'd really like to see something more than just Caesar's cocksucking.

>>157751818
It's great, actually. It's people taking stand for what they own and what they believe in. It's like American Revolution, but with killer robots.

>>157751876
I guess some people are too invested in NCR/House. Also Yes-man is both a "roleplay" ending and a "fallback" ending (it's possible to fuck yourself out of all the other endings but this one), some people do not like that.

I think it's beautiful, personally. Fallout never really was about being a nobody.

>>157751876
>When I hear people say its a bad ending I just struggle to get it
It only exists so that idiots can finish the game.
Simple enough?

>>157751937
What if we won't behave like retarded /b/ kiddies?

>>157751304
Just looked it up, because I was fuzzy on the endings
Best Legion ending for Primm is giving the town to the NCR, because Slimm and Meyers both resist Legion rule and get everyone killed. NCR just abandons the place, and the Legion calmly claims it

Goodsprings loses some of its population peacefully under either NCR or Legion victory.

Novac gets run over by Legion regardless, but if you finish the REPCONN quest most of the Novac settlers escape.

Interesting set of criteria for some of them.

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>>157751968
>It's like American Revolution, but with killer robots.

>>157752178
Ah, what a great comeback. We are the enlightened thread, after all.

>>157751735
>House with a Courier who genuinely cares about the situation and unites all possible factions under him is arguably the best ending
Ftfy

>>157751967
Only real downside is you have to kill House. Also Caravan/card games are fine you faggot

>smoking
TITUS

>>157751968
You're hardly a nobody under NCR/Legion endings though.

You come out with the highest accolades both factions can give.

>>157752310
In the NCR ending you get a medal and in Legion you face gets on a coin. That's all. The only ending where you can influence the faction somehow, apart from Yes-man, is House.

>>157752245
It's almost like you don't know what the word "arguably" means.

>>157752242
If you come out with stupid shit, expect an equally stupid retort.

>>157751968
>It's great, actually. It's people taking stand for what they own and what they believe in. It's like American Revolution, but with killer robots.
Shit I see it the same way, not sure why Housefags love to shit on it so much. I guess because their god has to die for it.

>>157752282
Aren't card games like caravan some form of gambling?

>>157752395
Some people get way too invested in one route, yeah.

>>157752395
>I guess because their god has to die for it.
No, it's because your ending only exists so that you, being fucking retarded, can finish the game.
Not even a Housefag, profligate.

>>157752390
>the guy/girl who won you Hoover Dam
>"have a medal and then we'll never speak of you again"

Yeah that isn't happening. I know it's only speculation, but you can't be that dense to think they'd be no future accolades/rewards for what you did.

>>157751967
>survival of the fittest mentality means a huge mortality rate
>relationship with technology is flawed - I understand the logic, but that logic could easily be stretched to "we don't use things if we can't mass produce them, but we try to mass produce everything, with mixed results"
>lose almost all your companions
>Legion will fail without a decent Courier to mantle Caesar after Sallow's death

>>157752536
Things can exist for more than one reason.

>>157752541
You were a private contractor. I think you are forgetting what your relationships with NCR were. You don't hold a position of office or a military post, you're nobody. And you can bloody bet Oliver is stealing all your credit.

>>157751967
>extreme rigidity legally and morally
>"citizens" have no say in shit
>over the top punishments for even small infractions (crosses, burnings, beheadings, slavery, etc.)
>slavery a very real possibility
>have a vagaña? your job is to pump out legion babbies and nothing else
>most militarized faction
>a bit technologucally backwards
but
>most secure
>least internal strife
>no political bs
>not actually so bad to their own people once you get settled in
>solid af economy
>sweet larp parties

>>157752806
>Things can exist for more than one reason.
Considering the main one is idiot-proofing, the others are irrelevant.

>>157752843
>Considering the main one is idiot-proofing
Thanks for your input, Josh, I was wondering for a second here which one is the main one.

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So I was asking Bethesda devs on twitter whether or not Jet is retconned as a pre war drug or not in 4 and one of them messaged me

>>157752536
And your ending exists so you can be an edgelord, it's not like it's fucking hard to beat the game I did a playthrough with all four major factions.

>>157752895
>I'm not in a position to respond to your questions
>responds anyway
What a guy.

>>157752940
>I did a playthrough with all four major factions.
Whoa, really?
That must have taken you so long!
How did you manage that!??!?!? :^)

>>157752390
>in Legion you face gets on a coin. That's all.
>That's all
fampai he puts your face on the aureus. he practically names you his successor.

>>157753090
It's never stated or implied. Would kind of make sense, though, but you'd still have to deal with him for some time. I mean, Graham was his friend and second-in-command too, until he fucked up.

>>157752940
>And your ending exists so you can be an edgelord
That would be the NCR ending; it's for those who truly want to watch the world burn.

>>157753226
I sometimes wonder what's more blindly hated and seen as the absolute worst thing in the world with literally no positive aspects in this general: NCR or Fallout 4

>>157753391
Easily Fallout 4, at least the NCR has cool guns

>>157752895
Actually seems kind of nice, and probably also knows they goofed. Not quite as charming as that handsome devil Todd, though

>>157753186
>Courier
>ever fucking up when they can just reload a previous save

>>157753557
Todd makes good use of his high charisma build.

>>157752940
>Yesman "edgelord" ending
I mean
no?
youre dumb?
Yesman playthrough catered to people who wanted to have a decision in the mojave a little more directly, instead of hoping whatever higher faction swings along with.

What dont you get? Yeah, in the game it serves as a contingency but they couldve easily cobelled up an ending where you kill yesman and just kill shit at the dam if they NEEDED an ending for the sake of an ending.

youre dumb

>>157753656
We aren't talking about TES, there's no CHIM in Fallout. As soon as you lose the control of player character, he becomes a character. Vault Dweller died a leader of a crappy tribe right next to a radioactive spill.

>>157753691
He's saying a Legion is the edgelord playthrough.

I know Yesman is literally for retards like you, but this is ridiculous.
It's like you've no reading comprehension?
Wait, of course you don't, you actively choose Yesman.

>>157753691
You need to read better nigger, I'm in favor of Yes Man. Unless you're some fuckhead falseflagging, either way get some apostrophes.

>>157753691
>Yesman playthrough catered to people who wanted to have a decision in the mojave a little more directly
No, it catered to people who need an idiot-proofed ending.
You're obviously an idiot man, learn some fucking English.

>>157753691
I don't think he's stupid, but he's pretty aggressive. Not really a person I'd enjoy a discussion with. Well, a """discussion""". Maybe it's youth, or some general frustration. We might never know.

>>157753945
>it catered to people who needed an idiot proofed ending

So what you're saying is that it's impossible to choose an ending for the sake of it being an ending, and instead, everyone who chooses Yes Man obviously went and killed everyone else? Even though Yes Man's ending gives you the option to go around making amends with all the minor factions?

I'm with stupid up there, you really are dumb.

>>157754082
>Even though Yes Man's ending gives you the option to go around making amends with all the minor factions?
So does the NCR.
In fact, every minor faction is better off with them and Yes Man.

>>157736024
Thats because DiMA actually did something, and they only care about his self modifications and such

>>157746980
>he said pretty much the opposite. as did caesar btw
No he didn't

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Caesar%27s_Legion#cite_note-BCKD1-1
>Edward Sallow created Caesar's Legion as an imitation of the Roman Legion, but without any of the Roman society that supported the Roman Legion. I've written this before, but there are no optimates, no populares, no plebes, no equestrians, no patricians, no senate, no Rome. There's no right to private property (within the Legion itself). There's no civil law. There aren't even the ceremonial trappings of Roman society. Legates don't receive triumphs following a victory. No one in the Legion retires to a villa in Sedona.
It's essentially a Roman legion with only the very top commander having any connection to the "source" culture, the rest being indoctrinated conscripts from cultures that were honestly less well-developed than anything in Gaul. Gauls are pretty sophisticated compared to the 80+ tribes. Gauls could read the Latin or Greek alphabets (Gallic language, obviously), had extensive permanent settlements, roads, calendars, mines, and a whole load of poo poo that groups like the Blackfoots never had.

>Caesar's Legion isn't the Roman Empire or the Roman Republic. It isn't even the Roman Legion. It's a slave army with trappings of foreign-conscripted Roman legionaries during the late empire. All military, no civilian, and with none of the supporting civilian culture."

>>157725512
This shit reflects sun, I think I will change it back to regular pipboy.

>>157755679
>The additional Legion locations would have had more traveling non-Legion residents of Legion territories. The Fort and Cottonwood Cove made sense as heavy military outposts where the vast majority of the population consisted of soldiers and slaves. The other locations would have had more "civilians". It's not accurate to think of them as citizens of the Legion (the Legion is purely military), but as non-tribal people who live in areas under Legion control.

>>157728006
I for one actually kinda like the T-45

What should I know before starting OWB?

>>157757614
enemies have a lot of health.

like a lot.

>>157755679
It's just that civilians in Legion controlled cities aren't considered part of the Legion.
This is isn't hard.

I wish there was a little more to killing Mr. House than in the final game. It feels deeply underwhelming that there's just a terminal that isn't even password protected out in the open

>>157757614
Use the Laer against the enemies unless you wanna waste away all of your ammo.

Laer is just about the only effective weapon against the scorpions.

>>157757695
>>157757960
What should I bring with myself there? Don't want to replay half of the dlc from the beginning.

>>157757880
Maybe it's supposed to be some sort of character building thing? He's so arrogant that he thinks no one would even dare try and kill him? That's the most I can say without resorting to "not enough time to implement something."

>>157757792
>It's just that civilians in Legion controlled cities aren't considered part of the Legion.
Which is exactly what I said originally.

The Legion has no civilian sector.

>>157704835
Dean Domino
and God

>>157708353
>retardproofing
You mean "kill everyone" insurance. Retard proofing is making essential characters out of anyone who isn't called "raider".

>>157710218
If you're in the afterlife you can imagine the best game ever and will yourself to forever be content to play it

>>157757960
>>157757695
>enemies have a lot of health

are you sure you're playing OWB? because in my OWB, everything's pretty fucking easy to kill, even the roboscorps

>>157758364
What was your level during owb?

>>157758364
are you playing on easy with a damage mod on?

Even playing on normal with RWD enemies still take a lot of hits.

>>157704835
Arcade, Raul or ED-E

>Raul, I think I need to head on without you.
>Good call! I mean, if that's what you really want, boss.

>>157758841
>was
playing right now, and I'm at 34, playing on hard

i'll admit i'm probably completely overleveled for it by now and abusing the reverse-whatever axe is probably helping a lot, along with sneak attacks on mr. bones and his lobotomite friends

>>157758364
In OB, a Hunting Rifle is good for the fleshbags, and pulse slugs are good for everything else. Though something that goes boom doesn't hurt when you're in the forbidden dome.

>>157758987
>sneak attack when the you're constantly stuck at [caution] because enemies can see you at all ranges once they spawn, even past your compass

>>157758254
>is making essential characters
Hey, tell me what happens when you kill Yes Man.
I'm stupid and think that him jumping bodies when killed isn't making him essential.

>>157757695
>>157758364
Enemies' health is hardly a concern in OWB compared to DM and LR. The huge problem being the countless enemies spawns.

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dead general

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>>157687810

>>157765804
Both Fallout generals are pretty dead tbqh famalam

>>157765804
>>157766003
It's just dead hours then again, this sometimes happens to /fog/ during the day lmoa

Anyone got the mega link for Mr New Vegas' Secret Stash?

>>157766003
Yeah what happened? /cfog/'s always been pretty slow but now both have them have really dipped around the same time, people going back to Skyrim and /tesg/ in anticipation of the remaster?

>>157757880
There are unused voice lines that suggest that at one point, you could piss off Mr. House and have to fight through the Lucky 38 in order to kill him, while he taunted you initially and then started trying to bargain and plead with you or just ask you why you wanted him dead as you got closer.

>>157767205
https://www.mediafire.com/?t38tjt8yb17dl

>>157767892
I have a mod that restores them, it was interesting.

First Victor insults me in the lobby, then this asshole tries to impress me on my way. Then once I get to him he pussies out and suggests that I back off and we'll forget about it.

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>Got the Teddy Bear quest in the Legion
>Was originally going to give it back, I don't see any reason not to after all
>See the option to rip it in half
>Do it
>[Legion fame gained!]
>mfw

>tfw no Gecko companion

>>157759198
Having characters who can't be killed for reasons that are explained in-universe is a million times better than having characters who can't be killed and giving no reason for it beyond "the plot wouldn't work if they died".

>>157770128
I completely agree, but it doesn't change the fact that he's functionally immortal.

>>157769965
>friendly gecks in zion
>animal friend
>"pet" companion slot relatively unused
Shit I'd totally dig it

>>157770128
The problem is that there isn't always such an excuse for most plots, and, given that the majority of RPGs don't like you attack civilian NPCs at all, no one cares outside a small group of autists who just want to MURDER DEATH KILL! everyone for no reason.

>>157770240
I just meant that it's not really the same as making him "essential" in the sense used in Beth games, i.e. magically immortal for no canon reason.

>>157770740
Of course, that's actually why I can respect it.
He doesn't just fall down to get back up because Obsidian expects you to play the game their way.
Having a logical immortality is so refreshing.

I'm fairly sure it's just Yes Man and children who are immortal excluding companions outside of Hardcore more, but Hardcore mode is the intended way to play, so I don't even count that

>>157769965
>tfw no ghostbro companion

>>157770489
>no one cares outside a small group of autists who just want to MURDER DEATH KILL! everyone for no reason.
>for no reason

Hey, what does RPG stand for?

So, if you enter "psb" into the console in New Vegas, it says it adds 156 spells to the players spellbook (obviously left over from Oblivion). There's no way to access these nonexistent spells, but would it be someone possible to add the spells from Oblivion into New Vegas. The game seems to think these spells exist. Are they just hidden somewhere in the game files, or is it just because New Vegas and Oblivion use the same engine, and it's just a weird leftover?

>>157771414
>would it be someone possible to add the spells from Oblivion into New Vegas
Yes, but it would be relatively difficult.

>is it just because New Vegas and Oblivion use the same engine, and it's just a weird leftover?
It's not "just because", but yeah, they use the same engine and coding.
Some effects and things are counted as "spells" in the coding.
It's a fucking mess and I really don't know how they get anything done.

>>157771152
>Hey, what does RPG stand for?
It means playing a role within a ruleset created by a hgiherp ower, aka the DM, aka the devs.

If that ruleset involes "you can't attack civies becuase we don't have to time to make 1000000 backapths in case you do, then that is the role you play.

Which is exactly why almost every RPG ever made doesn't let you just straight up attack civilians or other plot related NPCs.

>>157771918
Thanks for giving me a proper answer to my shitpost.
Sorry

>>157771152
Rocket Propelled Grenade

>>157771015
Apparently ED-E is essential during LR because he's needed to finish it, so it seems they couldn't avoid all instances of unexplained immortality, outside of the base game at least.

Anyway I wish the primary needs stuff and the other Hardcore mode changes were separate but stackable modes, the latter seems like it's just how the game should've played to begin with, but I think a lot of people pass it up because they don't want to deal with eating, drinking and so on which they just see as annoying and not something that enhances the challenge or gameplay, unlike ammo weight, chems working over time, stims not healing limbs etc.