/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>157489439
DFhack 64-bit soon friends.

>>157489567
I'm still waiting on the rapist.

>>157489725
rapist comes after dfhack.

dfstructures almost complete.

that's what the rapist is waiting for and actually coding it to be 64-bit too

>>>157490797
I was spooped and created a thread, sorry

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I will post bote until toady adds botes and we can have real fishing in the game

>>157491624
It's ok anon, I forgive you.

>>157491952
thanks senpai


So, does anybody know what the fuck has happened on /vg/?
>>767588

>>157492378
>>>/qa/767588

>>157489567
When?

>>157491864
That bote doesn't even look angry. You're not losing your nerve, are you boteanon?

>>157492378
A janitor went rogue. Deleted a bunch of threads before being expelled.

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>>157492378
>>>/qa/767588/

Janny went nuclear

>>157492495
but janitors can't delete threads, only mods can

And how the fuck does that happen?

>>157492474
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=5c0b3e1a19f4b44e4ea0f0a2ccd1f00f&topic=139553.msg7214779#msg7214779

SOON

>>157492609
They can delete any posts.
I don't know, he probably had a mental breakdown or something. Lots of stress or got sad or some shit.

>>157489567
>multiply everything by 2
>Hooray! You're 64-bit now
I don't understand what's taking them so long

>>157492918
this triggeres the coders

a lot of stuff has to be changed for it to work, muh cpu core adaptation, muh memory adaptation

gotta code in for it to take account for increased memory limit, etc etc.

Hey, the last thread is not linked

>>157495138
there are no other threads, they got deleted, not archived

>>157495138
The edition says it all

>pre-alpha 64bit dfhack
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12504

>>157495583
>>157495603
Luckily, I could screencap everything I wanted before they deleted them

>combat/military overhauls eventually
>everyone will call archers on beak dogs overpowered

>>157502135
Such is the nature of the fanbases, especially when asociated with imagebaord culture
I can't wait until we have proper/meningful relationships in adventure mode, and everybody complains fights about their waifus in the forums

>>157502135
give weak archers chance to fall off when firing bow

problem solved

>>157502135
>DF
>Balanced

>>157502135
>>combat/military overhauls eventually
Yes, expect it around 2030 right after Toady implements more important things like fully simulated dwarven theatrical plays.

>>157503879
>fully simulated dwarven theatrical plays

Do want.

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>>157503879
>dwarven theatrical plays
I bet this sounded far more incredible before Toady created procedural poetric forms


Is there a reason this guy is a child in a man's body?
not actually an insult

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>>157504209
He's a math geek who realized he didn't like math as much as game design
>"At the end of a math problem, you have a paper and maybe you publish it, and the paper can be a building block for the edifice of mathematics, but to me that’s not so important. But working on a problem and having a game when you’re done? That’s pretty damn cool."

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I want to experiment with pump stacking, but the guide on the wiki isn't helpful, is there a good resource I can check out?

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>>157504209
>>157504609
He looks even cooler when compared to the other , creepier, roguelike devs

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>>157506152
You mean setting up pumps several levels to work without dwarves (automated) ?

or with dwarves?

this pic from the wiki p much explains it very nicely.

if you wanna automate it you gotta put down gear assemblies (magma safe if you wanna toy with magma), as well as magma safe pumps.

Begone page 10!

>>157507045
I see nothing creepy in that exchange. Am I missing some context?

>>157504609
>He's a math geek who realized he didn't like math as much as game design
As an accountant that hates his job I envy this ballsy move he made.

>>157510293
I guess I have a fucked up mind, that's all
Come on, he's talking about the 'usb ports' of his fucking daughter

>>157511874
But that's silly, her daughter cannot possibly have USB ports. She has minijack sockets

>>157512792
Isn't starting to get hot in here?
I really wish this game had sex of any kind, so I could now request some anon to post some of it

>>157514882
I RECENTLY LASHED A KEA IN HALF.

>Masterwork
>Haven't played in ages but decide to play Kobolds anyway
>"Blowguns suck"
>Setup blowgunbold militia to fight forest spiders destroying my doors
>The first volley cuts all of the spiders in half

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Alright, this is starting to get ridiculous. That's 2 necromancer sieges and 1 goblin siege worth of captured enemies.

>>157515731
Throw them in a pit and let them fight it out.

Winners get magma.

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>>157515731
There's also a few random animal people thrown in there as well. 172 caged prisoners in total. The fighting pits and megabeast / titan / forgotten beast cells are almost finished, soon we will have some bloody gladiatorial games.....


Oh FFS, now this fucker shows up as I'm typing this out. Whatever, I'll just lock everything up until the megabeast enclosures are ready.

the way damage works in DF is fucking crazy, my first dragon arrived and one of my marksdwarves blew its head off in a single shot

>>157516072
I tried making things fight and pitting things...

it never turned out how i envisioned it.


>>157516430
Probally a very young / very small dragon

>>157516257
Well nevermind, Dragons aren't trapavoid apparently, it just waltzed right into a cage trap. I guess I'll just add him to the stockpile with the rest of the prisoners.

>>157516795
Can't dragons still breathe fire through the cage?

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Does this bother anyone else? I thought everyone who directly interacted with the player automatically became a historical figure, but apparently of the ten goblins who attacked just now, only two of them were notable. I miss the days when all civilized beings were historical figures.

>>157517408
It doesn't seem like it, a dwarf is slowly carrying the dragon cage towards my animal stockpile without incident.

>>157517741
maybe they aren't truly dead?

>>157517408
Caged entities can't do shit.

>>157489567
Is the 64 bit version even noticeably different? I havent tried it.

>>157520198
Some people report more FPS. Some people report more crashes.

How many plump helmets would a population of roughly 16 dwarves consume over a year?

>>157523713
64
70 if you have at least a fatass

So according to my captcha there's a street named "Dorfstrasse" somewhere in Germany or Austria

I fucking hate those new captchas

>>157526543
That just means "village street", like the least imaginative shit ever.

>>157518602
Cages are their own pocket universes.

Has anyone else watched this guys DF let's plays? He cracks me up.

https://youtu.be/26ZS-xtP4GY?t=2m12s

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So /dfg/ what is your favorite biome to embark into?

I really like the comfy feeling of a tundra embark.

Any mods that make it so you can feed animals? Any that have a more reliable way of catching animals besides randomly spaced cage traps? I've never had an opportunity to tame animals, it's frustrating.

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>embarked in an area at the edge of massive tropical forest
>there are dozens of apes here
>cool, free meat for my dorfs
>made a cheap wooden xbow and bunch of bolts, give it to Urist and send him to shoot some chimpanzees
>twenty second later he run back to the camp, blinking al fucking red and vomiting everywhere
>checked his thoughts, he's all miserable and bitching about being unable ot clean himself
>wtf?
>open combat reports, see pic related

The level of details in modeling animal behaviour in this game is kinda frightening sometimes...

>>157516430
dragons only reach full size once they reach 1000 years old, since most worldgens are a few hundred they end up being much smaller than you would think

>>157515219
Keks

>>157522897
Nobody reports more crashes, I report that fps slowdown is reduced.

>>157528702
Oh, makes sense since the world is only 125 years old. Poor baby dragon.

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>>157528694

>>157528694
kek, wtf

>>157528150
a very flat tropical moist broadleaf forest, untamed wilds savagery

So I just tried to deal with an undead siege of 9... before the dwarven liaison's first arrival. Things went pretty shitty, but we survived and captured a few. the last undead ran away. It still says im under siege. what can I do? not even getting my first caravan this is fucked up.

>>157533208
Necromancers enter the map in hiding. They usually stay that way until you find them. They can reanimate dead shit while hiding so don't dump refuse outside

>>157528694
I didn't know they did that.

>>157533208
so I have to send out a team of my handful of remaining dwarves to search the entire map for this pussy necromancer? theres nothing fun about this

>>157538257
The FUN is if you don't. Remember...

Losing is FUN.

>It has been a slowish DF week with not much exciting and new to report. Between election distractions, unexpected Seattle trips and non-player rumors being a bit messier than expected, we're only now getting to player adventurers participating in artifact quests tomorrow, assuming the windstorm power outages aren't bad.

>election distractions

Are they out campaigning for Hillary or something?

So my fort collapsed 5 years into its life due to a bridge I built in the first year (while still getting the hang of the game) retracted instead of moving up into a wall to form the first line of defense for my fort. the goblins got held up on my fighters for a little bit before overwhelming them. RIP first moderately successful fort, your success will inspire greatness for forts to come.

>The militia commander bashes the giantess in the head with her *steel war hammer* and the injured part is crushed!

That was a satisfying end to 7 pages of combat. The bitch took out 2 of my mechanics and ALMOST got my legendary weaponsmith who was out on the surface doing Armok knows what.

>>157541058
Sounds like a nice learning experience. Remember to ALWAYS test your bridges out for function before you actually need them.

>>157541587
Ha yeah. It's funny because during the first siege I had during year 2 I only then realized that 1) the bridge was built and 2) it wasn't hooked up. I wasn't able to attach mechanisms to the bridge until after the siege. After I won i hooked up the mechanisms and just assumed I was smart enough to have it raise. Oh well, learning is FUN.

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Fighting pits and megabeast pens are finished. I currently have a dragon and a forgotten beast made of steam locked up. Triple and quadruple redundancy airlocks because you can never be too careful when dealing with megabeasts and undead.

>>157543973
You plan on training them in war or just for fighting pits?

>>157543973
> Fighting pits
> forgotten beast made of steam
Will die in one hit from any creature in game.

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>>157544125
I haven't quite decided yet. I've left room in the fighting pit design so that I can hollow out the walls between the two pits, carve fortifications in them and either use necromancers to bring all the corpses back to life or I can put the dragon in there and it can spray dragonfire on everything, getting rid of all the bullshit I've got stored in cages as I drop them into the pits. At least I hope that's how it'll go, I'm not sure if dragons can spit dragonfire through fortifications or not, some testing might be necessary. I can also carve out a staging area to station my military dwarves in there and send them into the pits for training.

>>157544159
Yes, it's a shame that the two other forgotten beasts (one a fleshy quadruped with webs, another made of green glass with a boiling breath attack) killed each other before I was ready to capture them. I'm sure there will be more though.

So I am here under "siege", cant find anything on the map at all. Missed the first dwarven caravan. this all seems bugged, 9 undead before the first caravan, an invisible necromancer. thats fucking outrageous. this is a waste of goddam time

>>157544714
nothing at all showing up on the units screen?

>>157544714
time to use dfhack

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Are you fucking kidding me?

>>157546242
is there a way to put your artifact items on showcase in your dining room to increase the room's value?

>>157546306
maybe if I make a stockpile allowing all items and set the minimum quality to Artifact or something. I just hope that splint doesn't get stored in the hospital and used on some injured dwarf later on, aren't splints destroyed after they're used?

>>157546306
No, but artifact stands are probably going to be in the very next update.

>>157548347
If that's true then I can't wait for it. All those useless craft artifacts will now be able to improve various areas of my fortress.

>>157545359
just the caged zombies and a fox I got, then a wild kakapu bird or wtvr
>>157545416
which commands are there for a never ending siege? I still want them to come back some time, I just dont want them to be cock blocking my caravans for no reason

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>Embark menu -- Trees: Sparse

Trees were definitely sparse when I first embarked but holy shit 5 years later they're taking over the surface... Is this normal?

>>157550830
yeah
trees grow senpai

nature and sheit

>>157550923
When I embarked there were only like 1/6 that amount of trees though, I thought they would be capped at their original number for this biome or something... now it's more like a "Heavily Forested" biome.

Toady should add an embarking journey. Like you actually have to take the caravan and 7 dwarves to the destination and survive the trip

>>157552235
>Dwarf Trail

>>157552235
>>157552359
I remember a succession fort on the forums where they generated a world to year 5, picked an embark site, and then had 7 people play as adventurers who made their way across the world to a site near the chosen embark area where they retired and then they started the fortress and had the 7 adventurers migrate to their fortress.

>>157552359
>You have died after your companions were turned into horrid fog thralls.

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>>157558664
pls no, I come here to take a break from /pol/

>try to play with an ascii tileset
>it gets way too painful for my eyes 5 minutes in and I have to stop

>>157558664
Fuck off.

KOBOLDS

WARM KOBOLD CUNNY!

>>157560369
Aren't kobolds reptiles?
COLD KOBOLD CLOACA

>>157560997
The only think kobolds are good for is getting skewered through the eye with iron bolts. Damn little thieves.

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>all this kobold hate

>>157561737
>wasting bolts
just kick them to death

>>157558664

Hillary. Check his twitter.

>>157527536
Talking about pocket universes, any news from Toady on how will parallel universes be handled?
I'm as hyped for that as bote-anon is for boats

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>>157528694
I mean, apes in general have feelings too

that's actually fake, isn't it?

>>157528702
>>157529036

Actually untrue. In worldgen they can spawn in year 1 already partially grown. If you use legends viewer you can see dragons born (code wise) in year -216 and stuff.

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>>157562060
how can someone create something like Dwarf Fortress, and then turn around and be a retard

I don't understand

>>157562028
They run too fast.

PRE-PRE-PRE-ALPHA: seriously, your shit might get fucked by unknown outcomes, no clue what they may be, it isn't fully ready for even an official alpha release.

https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases/tag/0.43.05-alpha1

>>157562829
I know, I mean, voting for the obvious lizard person is clearly the right answer, he has no vested interests besides wanting delicious babiesssss now and then to feast upon, and a warm stone to rest his big grotesque gut on each morning to warm up.

>>157563280
Not if you break their legs.

>>157559041
Dont play just vanilla, choose something from tileset repository and change the colorscheme too.

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>>157563357
>play with a custom tileset and custom colorscheme both called xxx, but eyes still hurt; post about it on /dfg/
>no anon, these ones are fucking garbage, you should've picked yyy
>are you fucking retarded? I use xxx and it's perfect
>yyy is fucking square, literal garbage-tier
>linux terminal emulator is the only way to go and you all should just fucking kill yourself

>>157562829
ABLOO BLOO LIBTARD LEDITT BLOO BLOO GET OUT OF MY ECHO BOX UHRR HGHRRRRR CUKC

Fucking american politics ruining everything. How did you people managed to screw up so hard? The dual party system is like inbreeding but for politics? After a few generations only retards remain?

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>>157564172
No clue man, old nigga Washington was like "we should avoid making political parties, cause people will just turn into retards" and we were like "aight, that sounds wise" for like five minutes.

>>157563624
Totally accurate.

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>>157564172

>>157562829

In all fairness it could have been Threetoe who posted that on their twitter. He's much more of an SJW.

>>157564172
>>157564312
>>157562829
>>157562060
>>157564525

LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING THReAD JUST FUCK OFF

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>>157564552
no

>>157564552

Go to bed Threetoe.

>>157564525
I have come up with a really easy way to spot 3toe
You really just have to inspect their post for any exclamation marks. If there's any, its 3toe

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>>157562829
What I don't understand is how some of you guys still haven't gotten used to the idea that you have two parties.
Like, people have ALWAYS voted for the other guys. It's been pretty even in the elections I've followed. Yes, you think the person they're voting for is literally Satan, the Deceiver, the Prince Of This World, the Beast who is called Dragon, but there's nothing new about that. Like half you guys have been voting for literally Satan for decades. Centuries, maybe, I don't know your political history. There comes a point where you must, even if you know you can never agree with your opponent, at least acknowledge his existence.

>>157567020
shut up threetoe, and draw my crayon story, it must be in my mail november. 1st

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Post your fort

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>>157568467
>mountainhome when

>>157507045

The real question is does he need to flip it over three times before it will go in?

>>157540534
Avoiding that liberal crime squad

>>157492918
You're so wrong it hurts. If only it was anything like that.

>>157568467
>1.72 MB
We need an imageboard dedicated to DF, one that supports the DFMA animation format. It would be a glorious technical achievement for no real purpose.

>>157550298
I used reveal and there is no hidden necromancer or hidden invaders at all. I want to exterminate the caged undead but they don't even show up in the list of units I can exterminate.

Exterminate undead says: slain 0 undeads.

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>>157572461
halp. i am trying to make a DFMA file

>>157568923
I like your "dining room integrated into a hallway" setup.

Who here /adventuremodemasterrace/?

>>157575334
i mod myself into being a bronze colossus when I do adventure mode

>>157575675
I like to mod myself as a playable angel and try to assist my master in furthering whatever spheres he is in charge of.

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How difficult would it be to link discoveries to unlocking technologies in fortress mode? Would give a lot more incentive to libraries and scholars.

>>157579210
As difficult as toady learning to code and being a good game dev. In short, very

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>>157580246

>>157580648
I remember when I thought those graphics were amazing.

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>>157575324
thanks senpai

One of my embark dwarves is 'clumsy and extremely quick to tire', what's a job I can give them that they won't be complete shit at?

>>157580246
>toady cannot program
Ah yes one of my favorite memes around here.

But seriously though, I wonder what toady's code looks like. Probably not very object-oriented. Definitely not something like ECS

Perhaps he's into functional programming due to his math background? Hard to imagine a game like DF doing that, though.

I like to imagine DF codebase follows a very simple and strict imperative style, close to assembly in logical structure. Amazing performance, but a hell to maintain. That would be the most reasonable option, considering what we know about DF.

>>157582727
>Amazing performance, but a hell to maintain
No no, DF is
>Horrible performance, but a hell to maintain

Anyway. Toady learned about OOP midway through DF, so it's clearly a spaghetti codebase.

>>157582727
He's self-taught. No formal programming education.
The only reason his code runs at all is that he's learned about the most common idiot mistakes the hard way. It isn't elegant, but it gets the job done, which is more than most indie devs can say.

>>157582727
He personally said it is a mess. Ages old code has no commentaries or anything so he frequently gets lost and loses time.
>2 years for a fucking update
thanks tody

>>157575334
Now that dfhack is functional, I took control of the demon lord in a dark fortress (an eyeless deer chick with deadly dust? aight) went down into hell, dropped the fort, then teleported away to go rampage elsewhere.

I /adventuremodegodhood/ here.

>>157582410
any? this garbage info doesn't matter

>>157583418
>>Amazing performance, but a hell to maintain
>No no, DF is
>>Horrible performance, but a hell to maintain
Yes yes very funny meme again I am of laughings. Ever wonder why no other game dev has tried to tackle a game of DF's scope and complexity? It's because they couldn't fucking make it run with their fancy high level OOP structures.

>>157583971
>He's self-taught. No formal programming education.
I know. That is exactly why I'm assuming it's written in imperative style. It's the simplest, most natural programming paradigm. He probably learnt that as a kid when he started coding.

For the most part, lack of formal programming education (and lack of work experience in the field) just means you don't know things like project management and popular conventions, etc.

Updated the OP with a link to the DFHack alpha.

>>157588512
Please add this as well.
https://manmademagic.github.io/DFColorGen/

>>157589065
...That's quite cool.

What are some things that you've never really messed with in Dwarf Fortress? Personally I've not done much with minecarts and haven't made many glass or ceramic items.. I've only used magma a handful of times and have made very little out of candy. I've also never set up a library or temple.

>>157589481
I've never messed with Dwarf Fortress itself.
I suck at games like these but I hang out in this general because I love the stories and screenshots Anons share.

>>157589481
I have played adventure mode to death but never touched fort mode. I think the adv mod cabins are slowly easing me into it, though.

>>157590265
>never touched fort mode

Surely you've made a couple of forts just to see what it's all about, right?

>>157589481
I've never done glass, never touched minecarts, and never really messed with magma. Still in my learning stage of making my forts not get dumpstered by the first invaders I find

>>157590383
Whenever I want the game days to go by quickly, I retire my adventurer, start up a fort squad and spend all my points on food, and then just alt tab until they all starve and then I go back to playing legends in a changed world. I did try farming once but I forgot to pack seeds. That's the most I've interacted with fort mode.

>>157590809
*playing adventure mode

>>157590809
>forgot to pack seeds

should've just make a food stockpile and gathered some plants.

>>157591757
Well like I said, I've never touched the actual mechanics of fort mode beyond using it as a fast-forward button. Didn't know you could do any of that. Well rather, I figured it was possible but didn't know how it could be done and didn't think to pursue the matter.

>>157562829
He probably doesn't follow politics closely. His ultra-liberal indie game friends probably told him "Trump wants to murder Mexicans and Muslims!" and he followed along. Meanwhile he has no idea that Hillary's camp is spending their time shitting on Mexicans and Catholics in private, rants about wanting the people to be stupid and compliant to propaganda (something he attacked in LCS), and how she's pretty much actively masturbating to nuclear war with Russia while blaming all her problems on a Russian conspiracy like this was the fucking 1950's.

holy shit
I wish these /pol/tards would leave and let us discuss dwarf fortress

>>157592180
You don't have to be a /pol/tard to call an evil woman evil, you polarized fool.

Is rendering fat bugged? I slaughtered two horses and the kitchen gives me the red option for the job order.

>>157592245
I don't give a flying fuck if you're talkign about hillary or trump, this isn't the place for it
there's a whole goddamn board for this nonsense. go there and let us talk about the actual topic of the thread: Dwarf Fortress

>>157592442
>Is x bugged?
The answer is always yes.

>>157592456
Toad mentioned the elections in his DF blog. Blame him.

>>157592442
I believe this means the fat is currently queued up for a hauling job, probably from the butcher to a stockpile.
Once it gets to it's destination it'll be freed up for new jobs.

>>157592442
It usually auto-renders fat when it's produced from butchering, much like produced thread is auto-woven at a loom.

>>157592690
>>157592585
Thanks. I will have to check if any workers are trying to haul them around.

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http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tool_token
It's weird that so many of these things have little to no actual use ingame yet, but I can see where they could be expanded to perform actual function beyond adventure mode.

Of course, there's no way to actually implement said uses on our own accord because closedsource.

>>157511874
I'm pretty sure he's making a joke that the hard drive, or whatever that thing is, is his daughter, instead of a human girl.

Why does toady keep his free game open source? He's gone to such lengths to make it easily moddable too, like coding in .txt files.

>>157594009
*closed source whoops

>>157594009
>>157594150
He doesn't want anyone to take his comfy lifestyle away.

>>157594009
It's his baby, he's dedicated his life to DF and doesn't want any other autistic neckbeards to get their grubby hands on his baby's precious code.

I think he has it set up to go open source if he unexpectedly dies at least.

>>157594276
>>157594415
Not the original anon but now I'm thinking about NTR porn featuring Toady, an anthropomorphic representation of DF, and a pack of gross neckbeards.

>>157575334
It's my favourite, but until enough good roles and activities are added, fortress mode is the master race

>>157596465
It gets mundane with the bad fast travel and questing system. Also seeing what factions control which cities so it's easier to fight for your side.

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>>157594564
...y u do dis

>>157593798
I actually hadn't thought that

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>>157596807
anon
ANON
>>>>NTR

>>157594564
You repulse me very strongly
>>157596807
you too
>>157596776
What would you like to see in adv. mode anon?

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Um

>>157597072
>What would you like to see in adv. mode anon?
Better questing system, better economy and trading, family and relationships.
Honestly, many things are hidden from clear sight, which is too bad, since the game has so much detail.

>>157597779
>many things are hidden from clear sight
fucking hell this
I suppose Toady knows this, and has something planned for it, but as it is now, the game looks like it's trying to deliberatedaly hide things to the player
I generally want a lot more deepness to each dwarf, mainly in the psychological aspect. Everything else, I believe, will come from it

Having to hide the bodies before the traders show up after a siege feels like it's somehow illegal for my dwarves to defend themselves from the marauding goblins.

>>157599714
>C'mon you buncha pussies, it's just mangled bodies, vomit, blood, and... for fuck's sake, can SOMEONE put that fire out?

>>157597192
Go hang out.

>>157600515
I wonder, when professions like torturer or corpse hauler, you know, tough professions in general, are added and made hateable, how will normal citizens react to them?

>>157601178
In goblin culture, it will probably be a respected position. In human and dwarven it will be seen as barbaric.

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>embark next to a porcupine corpse
>this gonna be fun
>giant horned owl corpses attack me the next day but I'm already underground
>caravan gets annihilated by giant kea corpses
>migrants get attacked before I'm done building my second entrance just for them
>they have to run past each other to get to the entrance door before I forbid it
>a guy literally gets eaten by two corpses while another one crawls past him while the corpses are distracted
>put the horses into a locked up room so I don't have to worry about them when they die of hunger
>one of them turns into a corpse and the other one runs past the door because I forgot to forbid it
>it has ribs broken and slowly tries to crawl into the general area
>but not before I build another door right in front of it's face

>>157601989
Do you think that in the future, as your outpost grows bigger/stronger, you'll need to keep certain types of people separed from another?
Im not only talking about torturers and normal people, but also a lot of different examples of bigger-than-an-outpost cities people, such as, different religions, animal men from different civs, etc.
Once the starting scenarios gives the game law and roles, this should be easy to implement
I basically want to destroy an enemy fortress by sending them copious ammounts of beligerant inmigrants, and watch their country crumbel to dust

I need some Dwarf fortress humour, hit me /dfg/.

>>157603580
As long as a creatures race, appearance and cultures doesn't affect how they think of each other, I don't think you can do that. Just have to wait for Toady to implement racism.

>>157604117
2cat

>>157604570
Can't wait for your dwarves to form a lynch mob and run the caravan/visitors off the map or beat them to death.

>>157603580
>>157604570
Someday I will rule over an apartheid fortress where the ruling and military elite live in a veritable utopia, never wanting for anything while the laborers, peasants, and conscripts live in group housing wearing rags, eating only raw plump helmets and drinking only dwarven wine and stagnant water.

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>>157604684
>Be dwarf
>Be black
>Get put in a militia "The Protection of Black"
>White humans from a nearby town come to trade
>We all start yelling and killing eachother while yelling "Murderers"
>We chase after them and steal their possesions and rape their women while crying about oppression.
>The mayor writes a letter trying to explain how we dindu nuffin
>Our faces when

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>>157602562
>need some leather for them leather bags
>butcher a puppy
>it's skin reanimates
>send my entire fucking military there
>they deal LITERALLY NO DAMAGE
>ten fucking dwarves get over-exerted trying to kill a single dog skin
>half the fortress goes to give them water and gets stuck trying to kill the skin as well and over-exerting themselves
>my weaponsmith is there as well
>send my armorsmith to forge a fucking warhammer
>he forges one but then decides to take the hammer and go give some water to the over-exerted dwarves
>so now can't make anyone pick up a warhammer because they will go there as well
>my entire fucking fortress gets overtaken by a single reanimated dog skin

>>157607226

video related to your plight

https://youtu.be/26ZS-xtP4GY?t=2m13s

>>157604117
I like to screenshot and save images on here that I find funny. There's around 100 in here

http://imgur.com/a/6AKDs

>>157604570
I actually wrote here some proto-suggestion about how dwarves and other setient creatures should process information, and in my ramblings, I came out with the idea that racism will exist in the game, if we want to have other social/psychological mechanics in the game
Basically, the actual relationship system(friend, grudge, family) would be replaced with scores from each dwarf to another based on the things that form a relationship(trust, apreciation, and a long etc.). This relationship points, or opinions, if you prefer, are obtained by dwarves socializing, as we know now, and based in their personalities and the circumstances of their encounter(dwarves forming more grudges when grumpy from bad beer).
This gives simply too many good things to the game.
First, it adds more complexity/realism to the game(You should be able to have a father, and have a bad relationship with him. with the current system, you can't) This system would lead to virtually infinitely complex and rich relationships, varying from a normal role of servant/master where each part kindly respect the other, to relations of love/hate, apreciation/disgust, etc. All of them creating differnt behaviours between the dwarves, that we can't begin to imagine
second,it Adds meaningful bonds. In the stories, every action the hero takes, is usually because a strong bond with another person(rescuing princess, saving father, etc.)
As with this system, relationship scores aren't capped, given enough time, years even in each case, and if their personalities match, you could have two tough guys slowly improving their relationship, until they are inseparable.
And if something bad happens to one of them, the reaction from the other guy would be proportional, which is cathartic as fuck, and makes losing someone an actual strong/bad stuff to happen to someone

There are a lot more stuff that I've thought about this, if you want to hear more just ask

>>157607567
is there no other way to kill body parts other than trapping them with a cage?

>>157608189
Incredibly interesting, and it sounds like a system that would work well in a procedurally generated world. Have you considered sending this to Toady? I wouldn't guess he browses /dfg/.

>>157579210
Technology tree looks very "artificial" and restricting in df context. And why should outpost lose technologies pf parent civ?
You do progress with workshops and available materials, and its okay.

>>157607226
Bumping for more of your funny stories guys, they're the only thing I come on /dfg/ for

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http://steamspy.com/app/294100

>DF ripoff makes millions
>Tarn still relies on donations

>>157614567

>>157607610

>>157614641
nobody cares about you shit game

>>157594009
>make game open source
>someone forks it and calls it DFAwesome
>implements better UI and RTS-like squad controls while not giving a fuck about features that Toady considers more important, like adv mode and worldgen
>people constantly bitching at Toady to implement some features from DFAwesome, even though he never intended RTS controls for example
>there are now permanently two versions of DF
>modding community and playerbase is split in half
>eternal shitflinging on every DF forum about which version is better

>>157617545
>>eternal shitflinging on every DF forum about which version is better
Pfft, we already have that with Masterwork.

>>157618741
>>>eternal shitflinging on every DF forum about which version is better
>ponyfags make their own game
>it gets more muney and acess than all other versions combined

>tfw forgot to "claim / unforbid" prisoner's items before designating it all to be dumped
>months later, try to dump some prisoners into a pit
>they're still fully armed and armored, begin attacking my dwarves

Luckily I had a squad of 10 hammer lords down in the dungeons overseeing the prisoner transfer.

>>157622314
SPOOPY

>>157621325
I've never had that issue, then again I always build the prisoner's cage right on the side of the pit so they have no time to resist.

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>>157622513
Well I have 180 prisoners and couldn't figure out a quick and easy way to find the 8 who were right next to the hole in the floor on the pit menu so I just said fuck it and picked a handful of them. Apparently some were in my mass cage stockpile on the floor above.

>human bard visits my fort
>he's the first visitor to this fort so i decide to watch him for a second
>walks straight to the river, jumps in and drowns
fucking humans

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>spend years building block roads leading to my depot entrance
>caravan wagons take the most circuitous route possible completely avoiding my roads

I feel like that was a gigantic waste of time at this point...

>>157623904
goddamn, I hope your dwarves don't drink from that vomit laced brook

>>157624664
nope, I've got a screw pump filtered cistern accessed via two wells in my dining hall and two wells in my hospital.

>>157624617
>those fps drops
that's what you get for having a limit of more than _30 dwarves

>>157625365
>HOOOOOOO
>OOOOOOHHHH

Whats the best plant for paper making?

>>157624664
It wouldn't matter if they did. Brooks tiles are like grates. The actual water source is below them, and isn't affected by contaminants on top.

>>157627194
Not true, before I built the wells some of my dwarves were "disgusted when forced to drink vomit".

>>157626392
Pigtails are easiest just because you're guaranteed access to them. All paperable plants are equal in terms of their capacity to produce paper, only the skill of dwarf who plants them matters.

>>157627365
Either you're mistaken or they drank the vomit elsewhere. Contaminants don't pass through brook tiles. You can look at the water tiles beneath the vomit and see for yourself, the water is uncontaminated.

>>157625236
but i want a king and you need 150 dwarves to get one

>>157628016
hmm, well I don't know how that idiot managed to drink vomit then

>>157628156
140

Holy shit, dragonfire can incenerate raised drawbridges

>>157630332
Dragonfire can melt most things including weapons and armor unless your dwarf has a shield

>>157630332
*incinerate

>>157630481
In one fire breath attack the dragon took out 2 raised drawbridges, 2 lowered drawbridges, a troll, and a forgotten beast. This thing's too dangerous to keep in my current megabeast prison.

I was under the impression that raised drawbridges functioned like a constructed wall and was therefore immune to almost everything.

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>>157489439
>>DFHack (Out of Date):

>>157630332
Dragonfire can't melt steel beams.

>>157633386
I'm pretty sure it can. I can construct a steel support and then have the dragon breathe fire on it to test if you really want me to.

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>>157625890
I wish he would tell us what the meaning of the "OOO" "OOOH" and "HOOO".

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>>157634013
I guess its sound that dwarf from opening cinematic makes.

>>157633708
Do it, but be warned I'm going to claim it was a false flagon operation.

>>157634013
Think he said it was an inside joke with some friends?

Is it possible to castrate females? I've never seen it happen.

Is only male sexual organs modeled for some reason? You'd think stabbing a female gobbo in the lower body would tear apart the uterus/ovaries.

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>>157635529
>tfw we will never have a 30 minute short film about a fort done entirely in style of the opening cinematic

>>157492918
this nigga

>>157628156
nigga just edit the raws save the frames

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This parakeet man came to visit my fortress about 4 months ago. In this time, he's sat up in a tree on the tallest point of the mountain. He hasn't talked to any citizens of my fortress.

I'm not sure why he chose my fortress to do this at, but I'm relatively fine with it.

>>157611051
he he he

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Cozy dwarfs.

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This amused me for some reason.

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>>157607567

My fucking sides

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>>157612834
I think having some variety of stock/procgen invention stuff would be good. It'd explain/allow for more things to happen with some of the more fantastical mechanical things the Dwarves are supposed to be capable of in the various stories (mechanical limbs, clockwork stuff, (magically?) powered armor). Even if that results in just a few dozens with optional bells and whistles it'd be interesting and with mods you could throw in enough bullshit to keep it feeling organic.

I'd like to see it work like so
>(Arleady master/legendary skilled in the craft and in a Mood) Dwarf invents Better Crossbow Variant/A chariot with a tiny ballista on it
>Initially, only he can build it
>Said Dwarf can be tasked to "teach" about the invention in training sessions/lectures
>Books can be written by the dwarf or in-fortress scholars
>Once some (or all) of these are met, the invention becomes doable by all dwarves in the fortress
>Books can be distributed to spread knowledge of the invention, and provided enough time/saturation can lead to it becoming Civ-standard

Sorta like how animal trainers will presumably be able to make species domestic for the entire civ given some of the stuff that is currently in place.

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There is an item somewhere that my dorfs cannot get to, and I don't know what it is. They inform me of this roughly 20 times per minute.

How do I find the offending item?

>>157646162
Cavern refuse. Your dwarves have an open path to some kind of critter giblets that have died in your caverns, but the space between them and the offending giblets is unrevealed, so they can't find the path even though they know it exists. Close your caverns, finish revealing them, delete your refuse piles, or forbid everything in the caverns with d-b-f. Doing any of those things will stop the spam.

>>157645816
Adding to this, in one of the stories a legendary swimmer dwarf that served as a cavern lake/sea diver for his fortress to fix underwater machinery/fend off water-dwelling beasts developed a bunch of diver gear for himself to further improve his effectiveness.

>>157643390
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9362

>>157589481
I still haven't messed with RAW data but I'd like to because Modding in my own civs/minerals/Monsters sounds like the most FUN there can be.
Also burrows somehow. I've worked with zones because of military patroling but they don't get experience while patroling (correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't see, why you should do it, instead of just placing barracks at the entrance

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>>157630550
This was changed recently. Don't think it applies to walls or other constructions yet, but bridges and statues most def.

>>157590572
This. My most recent fort had a wall, a second floor, with a floor hanging out 1 tile over the side of the wall below, and fortifications on top of that. It also had a roof above that so my archers can shoot with safety. I had bait animals and everything. Then buttrape the wereGilaMonster bypasses all of my decoy animals, goes right for the door and my retreating civilians. My archers and melee squads don't seem to work right, even after following the guide.

>>157589481
glasss, minecarts, pumps, aquifers. I'm still learning but having a magma forge would be totally bitchin.

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>>157645190

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Zump

My save game was fucked and most recent backup date back to long time ago and I lose alot of time, stuff like this always ruin enthusiasms to play it more.

>beat an entire army of undead without them landing even a single hit on my army
>an elf hand reanimates and my entire military is stuck fighting it again
ok I'm done with reanimating embarks
maybe when toady fixes this garbage game

>>157654538
>computer crashes
>restart computer
>as I'm restarting computer whack my weed dude container with arm
>weed flies all over carpet
>df saves are all gone
>was 3 years into my newest fortress
>go lay down in bed and think about suicide

Thanks for reading and subscribing to my blog.

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> rare mineral occurrence
> cant find anything in the ground
> dwarves require raw gems for artifacts, dont get them, go insane
> ok, lets cheat a little
> prospect
> see this
What do now? Abandon fort and delete the world? And why, i remember "shallow and deep metals" on embark screen(otherwise i would not settle there)?

>>157658171
What the fuck. Save that world and see if it ain't a bug

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rich dwarves

>>157658171
I hope you did "prospect all"

>>157658239
Oh, and hack says there is 0 magma too.

>>157658491
>>157658491
Did you use prospect all? Did you used reveal so you can see what is going on?

>>157658171
>>157658491
>0 stone
>0 magma
Looks like your dfhack is broken.

>>157658694
J-just like I broke ur mum. Fite me fgt

>>157658524
>>157658491
>>157658478
>>157658239
>>157658171
>>157658694
I see now, i fucked up. List of comands did not say about variations of this command.
I did "all", it worked, but there is only tetrahedrite and some very dull stones.

>>157658770
Tetrahedrite is a good ore, don't talk shit. Gives you a shitload of copper for low-tier armor and silver for maces/hammers.

But yeah if you don't want to import all of your iron/steel you're justified in retiring the fort and starting elsewhere.

>>157659243
or he could cheese through hfs with cave ins and shit and just get adamantine

>>157659361
I can never justify throwing adamantine gear on some shitter militia that's just gonna get their upper spine bruised by a horse or some shit. I always want to use iron.

>>157659649
that's cause you need to give them cloaks too.

>>157659649
>people in adamantine gear getting damaged
are you fkin kidding me

>>157611051
Sorry I didn't answer you until now, was in school
Im happy to see someone liking my ideas, thank you. As I don't usually write many suggestions, putting my thoughts on paper was pretty weird to me, and I thought it would be too to others
Yeah, It would be amazing if this was added, it would completely revolution the whole 'interacting with others' in the game.
I've thought on putting this in the forums, but there's simply too much to order and write 'good' before I consider it. This part I wrote to you was basically the introduction, it dwelves into more interesting things as I write.
In fact, as I was rambling, I didnt even link my ideas to the racism part, so I'll do it here.
Basically it goes like this:
If you are able to have 'relationship points for people, you could, somehow, have it for groups of people, be it racial, cultural or from different countries
Those grupal points would be an abstracted idea of the whole group 'personality'
That would be where the whole, 'your village burned mine, so you are all a bunch of nazis' parts come off
I know it sounds pretty simplistic here, but really, its amazing to read and write about this

>>157636320
You can only geld males as of this version
True question thou. Will he ever add genitals to the game?

>>157661886
how do you geld a female?

>>157662369
You don't.

>>157662369
it involves long fingers and metal pincers

>>157660132
>force transfer

Even the best armor is paper to anyone with high strength.

>>157663865
define high strength

>>157664259
Anything above weak will do it with a square enough hit.

Projectiles also transfer their force in a weird way right now because Toady is incapable of making them not OP. A copper bolt to the face can break your spine through an adamantine helm.

>>157589481
Dude glass is one of my favourite things ever

Just rev up the furnaces with literal sand and wood and pump out masterwork glass discs

love putting the gobbos through an indiana jones themed glass greenhouse

>>157665917
>tfw no sand on my map

a-at least I have fire clay though, right?

>>157666270
Sure, if you're content to play with mud and dirt over beautiful smooth deadly glass

glass fortress best fortress

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>>157666820
o-okay

>>157666906
Its ok anon, you can redeem yourself by selling all you own to the caravans in exchange for all their sand and glass.

Then build a glass block pyramid with glass spikes at the bottom, and throw your potters and glazers down it as sacrifices to the great glass gods

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>>157665917
>>157666820
>>157667350
>glass
>not stone

>>157667435
Glass is like stone made more like metal tho. Arguably that's even more dorfy than plain ol stone.

>>157667435
But anon, of those two choices, glass is the only one that makes elves angry
You aren't an elf, are you?

How much does world size really affect FPS? Wiki says to use small or smaller because any larger than that is a big FPS hog but how true is that?

>>157667435
When you think about it, isn't sand just lots of tiny stones

And glass is tiny stones made tinier and stuck together

Therefore, with glass you get more stone per stone compared to regular stone

(you can't even make spinning glass discs with stone)

Glass>>>>>>>>>>>Stone

>>157658273
why

>>157669229
probably to use the smelting bug of coins and get infinite adamantine

>>157662369
You cut out her ovaries.

Would be a good way to train surgery.

>>157670102
>Would be a good way to train surgery

Didn't some German guy in the 30's and 40's have the same idea?

>>157670102
did you take this idea from some kind of really weird doujin

>>157670102
>>157670492
desu, training medicine should be done on corpses, and having novice or dabbling doctors should be actually dangerous. Like a novice surgeon that doen't know about organs taking out every organ from some guy instead of the rotten lung
That way we have some realistic use for corpses, which are actually completely useless
And we create the proto-trope of dangerous/mad docotor, in one single step
Bonus points if training medicine on living beings, as>>157670102 says, makes you learn faster, but people hate you

>>157671056
That's a surprisingly good idea.

>>157671056
Toady said that the game was set in a medieval setting and woudn't go further. Medicine was taught using books no matter how wrong they were. It took centuries for people to realize how the anatomy of the liver (and every fucking other organ was) because they absolutely refused to mess with corpses. And even when they saw something that clearly didn't checked with their books, they choosed books.

>>157671285
He's said that the technology cap is roughly that of 14th century europe. That has nothing to do with europe's cultural norms regarding the treatment of corpses.

>>157671285
So basically.. butchers know more about anatomy than doctors then?

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>>157671285
nigga, plain wrong from the start
>ACHSUALLY
Yes, the painting is from the 15TH century, but was a practice done for centuries, that's why there's a fucking painter there, it was fairly normal to study like that
Besides, Toady said around 14th century, not strickly capped at 1399 a.d
Also, egyptians did ocular surgery hundreds of years before mankind invented steel, so its all relative

>>157636320
Gelding is a boolean, genitalia aren't actually modelled ingame.

>>157661886
I think he's said that he's against adding obscene things like genitals/sex simulation/excrement, but who knows.

>>157661886
Don't think so, but again, this is a game where you can strike a mother to death with the head of her newborn so idk
>>157661608
Oh, This system of prejuices works to for setting the placeholder for fame, and getting respect from people that has never known you, resulting in an acurate reputation system too
Also, this tied with another suggestion concerning love/sex that Im writing would result in girls fantasizing with you , even though they have never seen you irl, which is also pretty amusing

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>>157672887
>excrements
He's pro manure and compost, also pic related
>sex
That's just a statement caused because of a normal trauma about meatgod, in a couple years, with the aid of a psychologist that the fans pay, he'll recover

>>157673107
Wait, there's animal excrement in the vanilla game already? I'd like to see him flesh it out, collecting livestock shit for fertilizer and having to set up latrines would be pretty neat.

>>157673619
nah, that's modded if not a fake screenshot altogether

>>157673107
That's fake. Chimps don't do that.
And anon was right about waste at least. There was an interview some years ago where he was asked if creatures' needs would ever include waste management, and he responded that he didn't want DF to become known as "that game with shit in it." Outside of the occasional proc-genned creature made from brown or yellow filth, we're not likely to ever see it. I've never seen him comment on sex, though.

>>157673806
Easy enough, copy the spit interaction, add an "excrement" substance, give it something like a strong vomiting effect if consumed, nausea and uneasiness if on the skin, there ya go. Gross shit monkeys toss which makes you feel queasy and sick, and can make you barf your guts out if you got it in your mouth.

>>157674372
Sure, it could be modded in. But that was clearly posted as evidence of Toady's position on shit, which it certainly is not.

So the age old question

How do i get Dragons to spawn on my map, i want a fiery doom machine to compromise my fortress

>>157676568
wait

>>157675752
I thought it was vanilla desu, sorry for spreading false info.
He'll probably add an elegant abstracted thing to shit, like 'waste' or so.
He'll probably do the same for sex, when added.
Because let's face it, having a whole arc designed for love/creating heirlooms, and a lust value for all personalities as a placeholder probably means sex will be in-game
>>157673619
that'd be cool, yeah

>>157676672

Thats it

i just wait regardless of embark site or not


Can i get Dragons on all biomes?

>>157677306
Look in legends after you finish generating a world and figure out where the remaining dragons (if any are left) have settled and then build your fortress right next to one of those spots, create a lot of wealth (dragons hoard jewelry in their lairs IIRC and are attracted by fortress wealth in general), and hope that the dragon comes to attack your fortress.

>>157678928


Great, first time testing Legend

I hope for fiery carnage and broken dreams

Thanks

>>157680523
They can easily be captured by a simple cage trap, then you can release them into an enclosed room (only natural or constructed walls / fortifications, no drawbridges) separated from your adjacent prisoner pit by fortifications. Dump prisoners into the pit to have the dragon incinerate them. If you dump unwanted items in there as well then the dragon will incinerate those along with the prisoners. It's much more interesting than an atom smasher IMO.

>>157677306
Yes, just wait. There aren't any actions you can take that will make a dragon attack any more likely than any other kind of attack. If you have dragons in your world and you produce wealth they might come. They might not. Nothing you do after embark will influence it

I've got a fucking GCS in my soon-to-be bedrooms

HELP

>>157683041
try to seal it in there until you're able to deal with it.

>>157641645
that defeats the !fun! of it, nerd. why don't i just edit a king in there then

>>157686303
The comments in the init file claim that you can get a king at 80 pop and "all game features" at 100 pop. Just edit the raws to match that.

>>157686851
The init is wrong. The real number is 120 if I remember correctly. You can look it up on the wiki.

>>157562829
People with crippling autism usually go with whatever they think will make people sympathize with them more.

Chris-chan is also a hillary supporter.

>>157686965
It's 140 for a king but judging from the init comment it can be argued that it was at one point intended to be 80, so you could edit the raws allowing a king to arrive at 80 pop while still remaining somewhat true to the spirit of the game.

>>157672605
If you read the article you quoted you'd see that they used animal bodies and extended the knowledge to human anatomy. It resulted in VERY wrong things (that for them was perfectly fine because GALEN=GOD). It wasn't until da vinci and some contemporaries started slicing the dead that people realized how awful things were. Reports ffrom medical universities are like this
>see this liver with three large veins?
>points at a liver with no such structure
>yes master we see it it's like we studied

>>157688051
whatever, but practicing on corpses was a thing, which is the important matter
If we were realistic to the european medical advances of that time, nobody would survive, using soap wouldn't be a thing, and leeches would be used to 'clean' the patients

>>157688321
It could be it's own mechanic, with scholars describing things or inventing retarded things only for other people centuries later prove they were wrong

>>157688451>>157688321

That mechanic in real life is called scientific method