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1st or 3rd for who ps4 here?

>>157308529
Reposting for halp.

>>157308607
tricked

>still no pvp dlc footage
was there a reason to announce it a whole fucking week prior

BBPCFCGF

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>>157304970
>I heard somewhere that you were supposed to stop at 27 VIG because that's the softcap

I would love to find out who's telling people this ridiculous horseshit.

>>157308689
Smough's isn't viable because it's so slow someone can block the first hit and circle around for a backstab while you're winding up for the second. This is true for any greathammer, actually.

Stick with greataxes, and maybe the FUGS. If you do use the FUGS, it has surprisingly nice blocking stats so you can save weight by not using a shield.

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>a vessel with fire carried by a man in robes
Can this potentially have any connection to the DLC boss?

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>>157308843
Two things that will not happen

>>157308825
Namco's gotten into the habit of announcing their announcements a week before the actual announcement. We have about another 6 hours to go, give or take 2 'cause I don't remember exactly when they said it.

>>157308920
>I would love to find out who's telling people this ridiculous horseshit

Me. I started telling people this back during ds1. They just now started listening.

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What the fuck does it mean!?

>>157308973
G-GF?

>>157309104
le eyes on the inside :DDD

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>>157309050
>stopping at 1k hp in das1
>stopping at 1k hp in das3
>willingly dying in two hits to anything, ever

>>157309104
her eyeballs are made by Gehrman who just practiced a bit on the other side of them most likely

>>157308573
What sl are the majority of bloodshades now? I really want to make vicar or crusader build and gank them.

What are some lesser known weaknesses enemies have?
>farmer hollows from undead settlement stumble whenever you roll into them
>pus of man, leech corpses, dogs and tree-wielding hollows all flail about when hit by any source of fire damage

>>157309176
Doesn't matter when you aren't getting hit.

>>157309104
Grant us eyes! Grant us eyes!

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>>157309104
GRANT US EYES
GRANT US EYES

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what if

what if the primordial hydra is actually the furtive pygmy

what if since the dawn of time the pygmy's been manipulating humanity

>>157309180
I get actually angry when I think that Gehrman and countless other hunters have defiled my sweet Plain Doll.

>>157308973
>BB FC
>GF
Nothing of value was lost, really.

>>157309227
pus of man is almost unable to change the direction of its attack after it started them so you can just dodge past it and murder it from behind
pontiff dogs and manus hands have virtually no bleed resist
angel soldiers are weak to dark and hollowslayer gets damage bonus against them
jailers and mimics can be poisoned, with storyteller's staff it will kill them extremely fast

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>>157309262
>it's the 'you don't need hp if you dodge everything' meme again

Well shit lad, might as well not raise hp past base and run around naked if you think that's even remotely logical.

>>157309227
>lesser known
>abused by everyone and commented often

Big enemies like giants or doggos can be hit for a visceral after hits to their heads.
Blessed does stop skellies from reviving.
Sage won't teleport if you poison or sacred flame her.
Those are all talked about often though

>>157309287
serpents are serpents, some sort of a lesser dragons who lived in the darkest depths of the earth and had extreme hate towards their big brothers
maybe it's one being with a core in a center of the planet, but i'm pretty sure that Pygmy has nothing to do with them, though it won't surprise me if they either guard him or parasite on his power of original dark soul and we will fight both in the second dlc

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Who is this guy and why does he reminded me of the New Londo sealers?

>>157309520
Makes me think of Godrick, if anything.
What's he holding?

>>157309562
Velka's used tampon.

>>157309516
>serpents are serpents, some sort of a lesser dragons who lived in the darkest depths of the earth and had extreme hate towards their big brothers

The Snakes have some relationship with the everlasting stone dragons, but I've never gotten the impression that the hated them.

Even Frampt hates Seath for his betrayal.

What a fucking faggot. What a fucking Big League Chew piece of shit. This guy really has the gall to tell ME to get good? I'll fucking show HIM who needs to get good.

>>157309625
delicious

>>157309520
If final boss of the DLC is Lloyd then this can be Old Man McLoyf who is depicted on bronze coin or even Knight King Rendal.
He certainly hides a pointy helmet under that red cloth, the same helmet Followers are using in DLC.

>>157309562
>What's he holding?
Probably a torn piece of a painting allowing access to the painted world.

>>157309636
They either approved or at least didn't stop Gwyn from waging a genocide against them even though Frampt was his adviser.

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>>157309520
>>157309675
Right one is most likely Lloyd, virtually the same robe design as on dlc boss.
Bearded man to the left might be the same guy.

>>157309758
Frampt was the only Snake that sided with Gwyn and the dark lord ending of DSI kind of implies that he was a double agent.

Kaathe and the other work to directly undermine Gwyn.
In fact, come to think about it. Humans are the only species that Didn't seem to wage war on the dragons. Maybe thats why the primordial serpents are so pro-human?

>>157309227
>pontiff knights, irithyll witches, outrider knights, vordt, and dancer take more damage from black fire orb than they do from great chaos fireball or chaos bed vestiges
>enemies that resist dark are often immune to poison/toxic but weak to bleed and fire, and enemies that resist fire also resist bleed but are weak to poison/toxic and dark
>dorhy's gnawing can rape the whole game by itself, even up to ng+7
>rapport only works on hollows, which includes pus of man since there's still a hollow in there
>if you can cast rapport on it, it's weak to the hollowslayer
>manus hands and pus of man take extra damage from farron greatsword and wolf knight greatsword
>black knight weapons deal extra damage to demons

>>157309227
everyone probably know about this
Alluring Skulls and Rapport work on Fire Demons. Wolnir can be killed without triggering the fight if you poison him or use Pestilent Mercury. Sacred Flame interrupts Sage's teleports. Outrider Knights can be parried you can cheese AW with AGS charge. Dancer and ODK can be riposted if you do enough damage to their heads. DA can be guard broken with straight sword Stance R1 and Knight Slayer's Ring. you can walk through the Pus of Man in Lothric Castle and into the safe spot behind them. there's a way to chain stagger NK that works with some weapon classes and it allows you to pretty much end the fight at 60% hp. bleed allows you to delay SoC's weapon switch

>>157309227
The game basically introduces you to the pus of man weakness though. Firebomb placement right before the enemy. Pretty sure some gameplay videos prior to release showed it too. It's pretty well known either way.

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>>157309939
>you can poison a skeleton

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>>157309901
Serpents are pro-Dark. They have no interest in actual humans but raw humanity and means of getting it. Maybe their end goal is actually noble, but their means are always vile and sending one of the serpents as double agent seems to be their common strategy. Frampt's statues are everywhere in Archives and on upper levels of the Castle yet right before the room of Princes all of them are smashed which means they were betrayed or understood their game.

Did that DLC stream thing happen?

>>157309901
>Frampt was the only Snake that sided with Gwyn and the dark lord ending of DSI kind of implies that he was a double agent

A double agent wouldn't be telling you to link the fire, though.

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Cute!

>>157310040
Great skeleton powers comes with great skeleton weaknesses.

>>157309331
>your
It's Gherman's
>>157309416
>no dusk ring
Might as well turn on infinite hp, you casual

>>157310070
> yet right before the room of Princes all of them are smashed which means they were betrayed or understood their game.

But didn't the Twin Princes oppose firelinking, which kind of fits the Serpents goals?
I always felt that the angel cult smashed those statues in their rebellion, but thats assuming that the "angels" are not the serpents.

>Dusk Crown makes you take more damage from spells
>Dusk Crown Ring cuts your health by half
What did she mean by this?

>>157310110
The twitchfag? Fucker probably isn't even out of bed yet, and he made the "48 hours" announcement pretty late in the day.

>>157310189
>no dusk ring
Only had two ring slots though, and one of them is red tearstone ring. Everyone knows damage is good because a good player can hit anyone and never misses when they attack.

>>157309227
>>157309939
also, if you attack Giant Crabs when they raise their claws, their attack is interrupted and you get a riposte. if you hit Hand Ogre's eyes when they stand up and charge at you, their attack gets interrupted and you can riposte them after that. Hidden Bodu works on some bosses and you can cheese them with Pestilent Mercury (at least that's how it was on relese, i don't know if they patched it) - it used to work on Vordt, Dancer, Oceiros, Princes, KotS (but not NK). if Princes phase 2 starts and you're standing close and behind them, they won't aggro and you can kill Lothric with ranged attacks if you don't hit Lorian with them

>>157310141
>A double agent wouldn't be telling you to link the fire, though.

Maybe Frampt was trying to remove the Lord Souls from the equation by tricking you into linking?
I don't even get why Frampt played traitor, I thought the snakes had a connection/affinity towards darkness. Why would Frampt get by siding with the gods?

>>157309901
Is there any proof that is even Frampt? All snakes look the same

>>157310265
>dusk's clothes give low defense and aren't made for combat
>none of the oolacile spells are meant for battle
I guess when you're a peaceful kingdom living under all-powerful physical gods, you can afford to run around with negative defenses and focus entirely on casting more spells.

>>157310193
Serpents needed for Princes to become lords so the lord of hollows could defeat the SoC and take the power of First Flame to himself so they most likely cursed poor cripples.

>>157310354
>All snakes look the same
Stop being so racist, jeez.

>>157310354
Pretty sure there is some small differences in appearance between Kaathe and Frampt if I remember correctly.

>>157310350
Frampt gives you a pretty good reason when you talk to him, though: he likes Gwyn, and he's grown fond of humans. The dark doesn't disappear when you link the fire, it just stops taking over the world. If anything, I'd say Frampt is just a graceful loser.

It's not like anything interesting happens in an age of dark. When it's fire, you've got weird little monkeys building giant civilizations and killing each other in inventive new ways. When it's dark, everything's the same, all the monkeys are hollow and lazy, and the best anyone can do is make a religion devoted solely to being hollow without being too hollow. Maybe Frampt was just bored of it all and wanted to watch the world burn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg5ZCqsh66E

>>157310483
>so they most likely cursed poor cripples.
I don't think the serpents cursed prince lothric, he was just born like that and his elder brother got cursed when their souls became intertwined.

>>157310508
Kaathe and Frampt use the same character model.

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>3vs3 confirmed

>>157310669
n-nani

>>157310560
Awful. Seriously, everything about DaS3 is underwhelming.

>>157310554
Makes sense considering the serpents are also tied to the dragons and the age of grey, another boring dull age where nothing really happened.

>>157310753
>>157310560
bamco and their shit music tho

>>157310332
>>157309227

Giant crabs gets into a ripostable state if you jump on them.

>>157310560
Didn't AOTA dlc also have this for DSI? I don't quite remember.

>>157310560
I waited a week for this? Seriously?

I mean, okay, 3v3 confirmed and all that is alright, but you can do that anywhere. Honestly, the only interesting thing here is the phantom colors, and hopefully it means you can get covenant items this way.

>>157310560
That literally says nothing, aside from a 3v3.
Kinda pathetic.

>>157310862
we don't know how it will work in ds3 but i'm glad team battles are back

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>>157310560
Old Dude's Set confirmed

>>157310189
*quicksteps behind you
Heh, it's enough to make a man sick
*visceral attacks you for your entire health pool

>>157310560
>protect
Cool, now we can stop having these pretext for ganking fan covenants

>>157310862
Kind of. The AotA arena had 1v1, 2v2, and free-for-all, but nobody used it because of the weird level brackets and timer/respawn rules that turned everything into a shitty cheesefest.

>>157310918
>hopefully it means you can get covenant items this way
That'd be an interesting way of unfucking the current ear situation. If it happens, I'll be laughing long and hard at those losers that were grinding knights for days.

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>mfw arena will be just like DaS1 arena and no one will use it

>>157310945
there's also a small glimpse of shield + gladius and during one fragment wog comes out of nowhere really fast

>>157311057
>multiplayer-only mechanics locked behind a DLC
No shit it's gonna be dead as fuck

>>157311046
>days
took me like half a day to get all the proofs I needed

Yo so whenever I start to summon someone My framerate takes a fucking shit.

So bad it kicks me out of the game.

Never happened before, did they fuck something up? I have a gtx 1070 so theres like, no real reason this should happen.

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Is it shit?

>>157310560
Looks like Bloodshades are back on the menu, boys!

>>157311117
It would be From's salvation if they made this like the Challenge Areas from the crowns and opened them to the public.

>>157311256
no

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>waste time and money on a shitty arena

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I JUST WANT SYAN'S ARMOR IN THE DLC PLEASE I WOULD LEVEL VIT TO WEAR IT

>>157311285
>3vs3 vicars vs bloodshades
yes

>>157311368
I'd buy a DLC that just had all the DeS, DS1, and DS2 armor and nothing else

>>157311057
Pretty hyped for easy to do team battles 2bh. Team battles is basically how pvp is meant to be played anyway. It is also "balanced" around that unlike duels.

Of course, duels are balanced if both players are using the same gear. Which is what " a duel" actually means.

>>157311301
I like how those challenge areas would let non-dlc owners still get dlc stuff without having to buy it. Not everything, but still some things like Promised Walk of Peace, the Alonne set, or Bone Fist.

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show its fucking moveset already

>>157311441
Will people bitch if I actually use the opportunity to be a Cleric and fucking heal my teammates?

>>157311743
Depends on whether chugging works in there

>>157310560
>video description
>prepare to roll

>>157311441
Technically speaking, the game is balanced around SL250 because that's the point where the player character can't get any stronger. After 250, the only thing you can do is get new abilities instead of making the ones you already have more powerful. A Refined 60str/60dex Claymore with 60fth DMB is completely unchanged by adding 60int or 60lck.

>>157311743
I wouldn't, because group heals use up so much stamina you can't even roll for a few seconds, and since you have to be near the other person to heal them in the first place that means you'll be in the middle of the fight and essentially paralyzed.

>>157311692
>same R1s and R2s as a straight sword
>L1 will block
>L2 will do the special bash
You know it to be true.

>>157311841
>don't believe anon
>check it
>it's real
fug

>>157311838
if chugging is disabled every team will need a dedicated healslut
in fact it will be the most crucial part of the team

Has it occurred to anyone else that soulbrandt was probably in on the whole "3v3" arena thing well in advance and were probably payed by Bamco to get the playermade covenants meme going just in time for the dlc arena? Hell, the entire point of both e-celeb clubs was "3v3s" exclusively in the only area of the game where 3v3s are possible.

>>157311892
>or 60lck.
Except you can make a 60/60/60 hollow claymore instead and have more AR than refined.

>>157311743
They will probably alt+f4 if somebody doesn't go healer or sorcerer. It's going to devolve/evolve into this shit. A sorcerer can cause serious damage in team battles.

>>157311921
this weapon has some sort of a unique stance

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>>157311743
Probably not but I'll guarantee you they'll complain about spells
>mfw I hit 3 people with black serpent+chaos bed vestiges

>>157312002
>6 wizards soul streaming each other
Yes PLEASE

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>>157312001
>being ignorant

>>157310560
>it's not a Dogger Defender covenant
>it's a 3v3 arena
wow

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>enter arena
>other team are all using CCS

>>157311953
You're giving Bamco's marketing eam and peeve too much credit

>>157312052
Vow of Silence might actually buy some important time in these kinds of battles.


>>157312098
I meant people wanting to have one sorcerer on their team. 6 wizard battles sound really fun though.

>>157312204
>a healslut, 1shotsorcerer and a pyro walk into the bar

>>157311301
>>157311648
If they did two things, it would restore a lot of confidence in From:
>Make the Arena public
>Patch in Yhorm, Yorshka, and the Footman cut content armors

They have to know by now that players know about the unused armors and their glaring absence in the basegame. They were willing to put an entire covenant in a patch for basegame Bloodborne, so patching in a few armor sets that are already 90% finished would be something they could easily leverage for some good will.

>>157312204
2 guys with hollowslayers with one poise-talisman healer.

>>157311953
No, Peeve just got tired of his shit getting pushed in by gankers for months. How fucking paranoid are you?

>>157312204
Doesn't work as well in team combat
When we were doing vicars a guy with a tinder and crystal soul spears was instagibbing most of the CCS shitters

>>157311743
It's gonna go one of two ways
Team battles will very quickly develop a meta in which certain builds are MANDATORY and your team will quit on you if you bring anything else. Some people will deliberately go in with useless shit and do nothing just to "break the meta XD" and the whole thing will become a cancerous, imbalanced tryhardfest immediately.

Or people will overreact to any sort of team strategy kind of focus and instead there'll be a mountain of new arena-centric honour rules that every redditor will demand you abide by, banning pretty much everything that isn't 40/40 quality and devolving fights into group carthus sword running attack fests.

My bet is on the latter, because CSS and vestiges in the back a few dozen times will trigger redditors and Vicar tactics like covering AoE heal miracles with area denial spells will be damn near unbeatable

>>157312235
>three sorcerers spam hail while a second one keeps using twisted wall to keep his soul streaming partner safe

Make it happen

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>>157311941
>>157312002
>>157312052
>>157312235
>if chugging is disabled every team will need a dedicated healslut
>in fact it will be the most crucial part of the team
>They will probably alt+f4 if somebody doesn't go healer or sorcerer. It's going to devolve/evolve into this shit. A sorcerer can cause serious damage in team battles.
>Probably not but I'll guarantee you they'll complain about spells
>Vow of Silence might actually buy some important time in these kinds of battles.

Oh great, it's WoW arenas all over again.

>>157312280
Bloodborne was not under Bamco. No fucking chance.

>>157312363
Way better than duels 2bh.

>>157311431
i'd buy a dlc that was just DS1

Where is arena streams?

>>157312473
I'd buy a dlc that was just Bloodborne.
Oh wait, that's DLC 2.

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>>157312453

>>157312306
>about one month before DLC released with 3v3 arena
>makes a player group specifically around 3v3s
>focus primarily on 3v3 builds and 3v3 tactics
>invades exclusively in the only zone in the game with a 2 phantom/3 invader limit
>theme and guidelines read like a press release.
Lets face it, it was a marketing ploy and we all got duped. Peeve probably got the name "Bloodshades" and every other detail about it emailed to him directly from a Bamco rep

>>157312363
This will add way more depth to pvp than simple duelshittery.

>>157312363
Really better than shitduels

>>157310560

>Betray
That stopped working a few hours after release day, nobody summons madmen for co op

>>157310560
>trailer shows a madman helping the host and then killing him
But this would never happen because there's no incentive to spawn a purple that you don't want to duel.

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>>157312323
Alternatively, they'll go to SL250 so they can have their 40/40 pyromancy and everything else anyways, that way there's no excuse to not have at least one healing spell.

>tfw I go in with vow of silence, lingering +2, and yorshka's spear specifically to fuck healers

https://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/94985

yay or nay ?

DaS1 Arena SL matchmaking:

1-50
51-100
101-200
201+

Watch it happen again

>>157312598
Good for bamco I guess. Some people had their fun.

>>157312648
They do at SL15. Which, incidentally, is the earliest you can cast Dark Blade on a Raw ASS.

>>157312779
i'm hopeful because both 100 and 200 are better than 120

>>157312598
>we all got duped
In what way? If what you said was true(which it isn't), the only thing he achieved was adding some fun to DaS3's stale PvP.

>>157310560
>The little crowns
Cute! but underwhelming

>>157312598
>>157312796
>>157312851
Based Bamco.
Truly the best publisher for From.

>>157312779
Sounds good to me, 100 a best

>>157312779
>101-200
But I want
>101-150

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>>157312909
Don't even joke like that.

>>157312598
>doesn't even know of woods 3v3s

Why NPC invaders are always the best girls?

Kriemhild
Roenna
Mildred

>>157312801
You know at that SL human pine is better right?

>>157312363
We encountered some of this shit while doing Vicar stuff.
Vow of Silence can really disrupt a heal-based team.

It basically goes like this in 3v3 team fights:
Faith is king because AoE fullheals and area denial spells that prevent melee characters from interfering with AoE full heals, on top of having relatively fast ranged nukes for hitting someone in the back for 600 damage

Int/pyro are essential because big ranged nukes like vestiges, GCFO and CSS are the only answers to coordinated team heals and completely shut down supportive miracle casting while also fucking people in the back for 900 damage

Vow of Silence on any build completely inverts this paradigm because you can either shut off a faith build's ability to heal, buff or cover for 15 seconds or shut off a mages ability to disrupt the above for 15 seconds.
I suppose we may end up seeing team groups that looks like: 1 pure faith build with soothing sunlight, sunlight spear, VoS and a buffed weapon, one hybrid qualityfaith build with just enough casting stats for tears of denial and an area denial spell like divine pillars of light, and one caster running a melee weapon and a bunch of ranged nuking spells for fucking healers.

I suppose what we'll have to see is how the arena rules deal with estus/ashen estus. If estus is allowed, most of this healing shit goes out the window and we'll see another 40/40 quality meta. If estus is blocked but ashen estus isn't, there'll be some very interesting emergent strategies. If ashen flasks are blocked too, then magic builds won't be allowed to enter the arena and it will be 40/40 only, casting stats forbidden.

Of course, the patch that the arena comes with may also fix some of the mechanical balance issues with the game, like the numerical balance of FP and obviate the need for every caster to carry 4 ashen flasks just to make it through a fight.

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>partial and full on the same parry
Dagger speed was a mistake

>>157312871
Also directly from DaS1's arena. When a player had the most kills, their crown would turn gold.

>>157313289
No sir. With 25fth and Caitha's +1, Dark Blade adds 98 AR. That's 3 AR more than human pine resin, and also lets you cast annoying bullshit like Dorhy's Gnawing.

>>157313431
>That's 3 AR more than human pine resin
So you invest 13 points in faith on a twink just for 3 points of AR?
That's horrendously inefficient

>>157310560
Hahahahahahaha
pvp fags btfo once again, enjoy your pontiff garden

>>157311256
It's pretty good and has a good WA

>>157313417
Except 90% of the playerbase isn't going to care about making specific comps and you're going to be randomly grouped so you will never get the 3 perfect people together in one game

>>157313538
Is this your first souls game or something, /v/?
If so, "PVEfags" got nothing except two bosses. When you beat bosses, your PVE will be over

>>157313428
How is the pontiff knight curved sword?

>>157313629
>not making a /dsg/ team to meme on people with greatshield warmth turtles

>>157313629
>and you're going to be randomly grouped
Probably not.
Bamco wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of viraling Bloodshades and Crusaders just for the arena to have completely random team assignment

>>157313657
It's a curved sword. Probably the third longest range in the class.

>>157313629
i have two buddies and we will minmax the shit out of arena and steamroll everyone

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>>157313629
People getting hyped over nothing.

It can't be WOW arena no matter what.
DS3 online is nothing compared to WOW.
>month after DLC release
>waiting 30 minutes for one arena 3x3 duel

>>157313657
Bad for a curved sword
Good for a weapon

>>157313629
That's why you play with a group and dominate the arena. All of this is out the window if you can't use password and so on.

GUYS
guys
post-DLC 3vs3 gladiator event

>>157313417
>divine pillars of light and chaos storm being good for something
>cloud spells having some use as area denial instead of just AFK punishing
>soul stream's horrendous startup being balanced when there's someone covering your ass
>defense investment being more useful since other people can heal off the damage you take
>the normally useless VoS denying critical roles in a match
>lifehunt scythe's heal-per-hit and retard damage making it a viable choice
>dead again's... wait, that's still useless

Sounds good to me senpai

>>157313504
No, I invest 13 points into faith for spells and get a stronger buff as a side effect.

>>157313417

What I want to happen:
>Ashen allowed, regular estus forbidden
>Teams of cleric, sorc/pyro, melee emerge as top tier team combo
>Battles consist of fire/sorc nukes being flung around like crazy while clerics try to get off heals during melee stand offs

What probably will happen
>Regular estus allowed
>40/40 quality only, no fun allowed

>>157313431
Caithas doesnt up dark weapon miracle btw

>arena will be full of 3 Chad teams
>they will dominate all solo players
I need 2x2

>>157313872
That just proves the point being made, though.

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>>157313850
>assassins with untrue ring, slumbering dragoncrest and invisibility spell sneaking past a tank and taking out a cleric

>>157313869
Probably the best way to do it would be to forbid consumable heals (no siegbrau) and limit each player to 1 estus max and one ashen flask max per round. That way miracles aren't the ONLY heal and casters get a refill, but casters don't have unlimited access to FP.

The problem with having ashen estus unrestricted is that every 40/40 quality melee build will just run heal aid and sprint off to spam it when they're damaged and casters will have effectively infinite casts.

>>157314072
Reminder: sub-30% milkring rollspam with brown or black armor is effectively invisible.

>>157313850
>area denials only help when using heals, in which case the other team takes the time wasted to use their own
>soul stream still has an extremely loud noise and your fuckbuddy won't throw himself between you and an actually good ranged tool like vestiges
>defense still offers such bad returns for investments that investing into damage to kill 3 people faster is still ideal
>VoS shuts down your own casters, but even then, it's for only 10 seconds, even casters with no end can spam rolls for 10 seconds
>lifehunt still gas no damage, heal and will struggle to hit someone

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>mfw people take pvp seriously
You are not gonna play in a tournament or earn money you retards LMAO

>>157314316
>people having fun
>STOOOP
Poor /v/tard

>>157314306
>lifehunt still gas no damage
Actually, it has higher damage than the other melee spells partly due to fucking A/A scaling. But that windup is still too slow to hit anyone, so yeah.

>>157314072
Oh god if they remove the ember bonus for the arena the stealth shit possible will be amazing
>sneaking up on the caster and 1-shotting them with a rouged warden twinblade combo
>ultras being able to legitimately instantkill low-defense players
>spellcasters being super-threatening
I can't wait to see how they manage to fuck this whole thing up.

>>157314454
>try hard
>having fun

>>157314013
Is the point that the investment for dark weapon isnt worth it?

Because even 16int great magic weapon is 90 something

>>157314152
Yeah but the SSS SSS SSS SSS is a dead giveaway

>>157310560
So this is the PVP trailer that they invited twitchfags for, right ?

>the little crowns lifted fucking straight from DaS1's arena
When will Miyazaki stop jerking over his one and only good game?

>>157314551
Yeah that's exactly what PVP needs: more one-hit-kill bullshit.

>>157314551
1HKO is not even needed if estus is restricted
doing a good damage to a cleric and staying on his ass non-stop while the rest of a team keeps opponents busy is good enough

>>157314736
I'd rather have a yhorm's one-hit-kill meta than a carthus sword/washingpole quality meta any day

>>157314693
This must be it. Peeve said they only had access to the DLC arena and Bamco recorded their gameplay to make a trailer..

>>157314503
>Actually, it has higher damage than the other melee spells partly due to fucking A/A scaling
>lifehunt
Stop.

>>157314909
wonder if he will answer some questions next time he will stream
there's a new set and gladius briefly showed in the trailer

>>157314835
>I'd rather have people endlessly backpedalling with GA than endlessly backpedalling with katanas and curved swords

If your standards are this low, enjoy it, but I need more than that

So what will be your reaction when Fromsoft reveals that they learned absolutely nothing from either DaS1 or DaS2's arenas, and this new one has no way to pair yourself with friends for team fights, fixed and massive SL brackets, and all healing consumables (estus, siegbrau, divine blessings) completely unrestricted.

Just for an added "fuck you" there will be no time limit just so that sun princessfags can stack regen and spite kite for 20 minutes when they're losing.

I'm the only stupid fuck here that prefers they rather focus on single player than pvp??

>>157315147
Yes, DS3 singleplayer is beyond saving

>>157315053
>no way to pair yourself with friends
passwords exist

>>157315053
Well, at least we kno buffstacking wont be an issue because they're all useless in ds3

>>157315053
I'll be happy. Assymetrical PvP is what Souls is about and while they did show they don't care about us, if they do show they also don't care about cancerous arenafags I'll be pleased

>>157315053
I will be somewhat disappointed and then jump to invading in the dlc until bored.

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>>157315053
>Just for an added "fuck you" there will be no time limit just so that sun princessfags can stack regen and spite kite for 20 minutes when they're losing.
Somehow, I can see that happening now with those faggots using sword+board passive play for maximum mlg

>>157314975
Is there some NDA for this event ?

>>157315195
Oh yeah just like you can put on a password and invade with your friends right
o
wait

>>157315326
there's barely more than a week before dlc release, doubt it's needed

>>157315326
There usually is a time-based one. They can't talk about it until a certain date, then they can reveal everything they're allowed to tell, which is basically everything Bamco told them to tell us.

It's pretty clever, they're basically unpaid PR reps.

>>157315340
you can't invade but you can duel sign just fine via password and for all we know arena most likely uses the same method
i'm not sure what you're even trying to say
or you're just shitposting?

>>157315218
Team battles is what souls pvp is about. Teaming up with mobs goes into that category too.

Also, duels are not about asymmetrical fights.

>A duel is an arranged engagement in combat between two individuals with matched weapons

Uhh

Has anyone noticed that at 1:12 in the new trailer, you can see an Artorias cosplay using the uncorrupted GS of Artorias?

That's not in the game currently.

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>>157315518
eh, pretty sure it's a current wolf knight sword

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>>157315518

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>>157315183
>tfw having to go through that boring ass stretch that is high wall through irithyll
>tfw every time I try to make another character I quit around undead settlement/farron keep

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>>157315518
For reference.

You can clearly see that it's lacking all the abyss shit compared to the Wolf Knight GS

Forgot to put the image.

>>157315465
>arena most likely uses the same method
You unironically think the way the arena works is that one player summons the other players from signs?
i'm not sure what you're even trying to say
or you're just shitposting?

>>157315645

Good find, I wonder if they'll change the model of the Wolf Knight GS since I can't see them adding another variant when the Wolf Knight already has the iconic moves of it. Plus the actual icon of the Wolf Knight shows it's the uncorrupted Artorias sword despite what the actual weapon itself has. There's some other interesting finds in the trailer too like this >>157315667 silver Ornstein armor

>>157314646
>implying anyone wears headphones

>>157314913
It does though. It just can't hit anyone because it's so slow.

>>157315794
>silver Ornstein armor
Nigger it's just the normal armor with white phantom effect

>>157315808
>It does though.
Post webm and stats
Nothing can beat Spear

>>157315794
>silver Ornstein armor

Looks likely to just be the lighting.

>>157315734
the blade does looks cleaner

>>157315507
By assymetrical I mean the complete opposite of duels, I meant sudden appearences of new enemies and allies, as well as the availability of enemies and an enviromnent both sides can use to their help. Where the only absolute rule is matchmaking and everything else is allowed (that part should only be fixed through balance of those tools instead of removal)

Arenas destroy all this, whether they are 3v3 or 1v1. They have their own sets of rules, forbid a few tools, happen in areas where at best you can make use of slight height variations and have no hazards or enemies that add to it. Arenafags, whether they use an arena or fight in predetermined areas of the game take everything that makes Souls PvP great and destroy it and for that, nothing would make me happier than to see From half assing the arena's mechanics.

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>>157315518
>>157315645
>>157315734

And for comparison, the Wolf Knight GS currently ingame:

>>157315695
Did you even go past NG in DaS?
I can't imagine how you'd be alright with going through lower undead down to quelaag if settlement is boring to you.
Not to mention the lordsoul areas

>>157315876
>spear
Well no shit you stupid nigger, I said "melee spells". I didn't say "projectile spell that also happens to hit for 1K at melee range when the supposedly melee version only hits for 500-600".

>>157315984
oh no it's fucking nothing a useless sameweapon

thanks from

Someone bring me up to speed on the current memery? Been away for a few months.

>>157315984
>>157315734
Top edge looks the same, can't see the bottom because it's too dark. Hang on, I'm gonna put the two into a single image.

>>157316010
>Sunlight Spear
>Not melee spell
What the fuck
Post webm

>>157315183
>>157315695
?????
If DaS3 SP is bad to you how did you even play through the other games

>>157316007
>lower undead down to quelaag
I could just use Master Key. Going through DaS was pretty fast.

>>157316136
I'm sure you can puzzle it out
Hint: the answer isn't "I didn't"

>>157316134
Are you thinking of sunlight STAKE

>>157316160
clearing

>>157316136
BB and DeS have best SP

>>157316136
>replying to shitposters

>>157316241
No one clears Souls games more than once

oops autopost
>>157316160
clearing cathedral and farron's then going through catacombs to irythill takes like half an hour or less

>>157316323
Might want to follow your own advice

>>157316134
Sunlight Spear is the one where you throw lightning at someone.
Lightning Stake is the one where you slam a lightning bolt into the ground.

Lightning Stake does roughly 500-600 damage at 60 Faith. Lifehunt Scythe does 700 damage minimum at 40int/40fth. How the fuck do you not know this.

>>157316136
>get master key and chaos servants
>skip a lot of boring parts of the game
>ascetic the rotten for 1M SM
>get to shrine ignoring a lot of bad areas

3 just doesn't have any way to skip bad content

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>>157316187
>hating DaS3's shitty locations means you didn't play the other games
DaS2 and DaS3 have weakest single player. DaS2 was too long for its own good and DaS3 is too fucking linear.

>>157316007
The only lordsoul area that was drab was Izalith.

>>157316439
>Sunlight Spear is the one where you throw lightning at someone.
>700 damage
Just stop
Please
STOP

>>157316542
Sunlight Spear does 600 at range and 1K at point blank.

Are you literally retarded?

>>157316593
>1K at point blank.
>not melee spell
Aaaaaaa

>>157316457
If only it weren't for the Grand Archives key

>>157315984
I wished the R2s had some of those dark particles from ds1

>>157316635
You can hit anyone at point blank with a projectile you faggot, that doesn't make it a melee attack. Sunlight Spear doing more damage at point blank doesn't make it a melee attack, it makes it a projectile with a damage boost at point blank.

Learn your fucking classifications.

>>157316635
>a bow is a melee weapon if you shoot someone next you
What a sensible thing to say

>mfw people cite being able to skip the entire early game of DaS makes the game better than DaS3
All I get from this is that Dark Souls early game is shitty and the only areas that are any good are Sen's, Anor Londo, and then Duke's Archives, New Londo and Tomb of the Giants

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>release trailer
>'but remember guys, the streamers can't reveal any information until monday so be sure to tune in :)'

>>157316952
totg isn't good either
>sen's, AL and Duke's
sounds about right

>>157316952
You can skip the slower paced areas. Blighttown + depths is fun, but I'm not always in the mood for it, so I take the valley shortcut sometimes.

>>157316952
That's actually true. Being able to skip most of the shitty parts does make the gameplay a more enjoyable experience.

This is why DaS2's PvE is so bad, because you can skip the first half but it's the second half of the game where all the bullshit is.

>>157316786
>>157316935
>You can hit anyone at point blank with a projectile
>only SS has damage bonus
>technically not melee spell!
I'm done. NO ONE cast spear as long range spell in DS3 in pvp. Jesus fuckin Christ. Are you pve shitters?

>>157316952
>All I get from this
If that's all you get from it you might legitimately have a developmental disorder

>>157316991
>reveal the trailer on thursday
>when they can't reveal any context until monday
This shit is so stupid sometimes. Why even monday? What's the point in having that delay?

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>>157315734

It probably look like that because of all the blur.

>>157316952
Yes, that makes it better. You can't skip DaS3's shitty areas (which is nearly every single one of them).

>>157316457
Don't forget that in terms of size those 5 areas are like, less than the size of Cathedral and Irythill mashed together.
Also you forgot Painted World.

>>157317117
That doesn't make it a melee spell, that makes it a projectile that's strictly better than lightning spear at point blank. If a bow did more damage at short range than a sword, you still wouldn't call it a fucking sword.

And actually throwing the spear is useful for hitting people who try to roll away for estus. Do you actually fight people, or do you just theorycraft all day and only pretend to play the game?

>>157317192
so the streamers can be cryptic and tease ebin information

get hype and praise the sun bro lol :))

>>157317293
i cant reveal much... but just ... prepare to die guys it's awesome!!! xoxo

>>157310560
Disappointed

>>157316457
And
>you forced to kill most of bosses untill Pontiff pvp zone
>can't be invaded if boss is dead
Fuck you From

>>157317246
Irithyll is one of the worst areas in the game though. There's nearly nothing redeemable about it except Sully's boss fight.

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>>157317210
Here's both together.

>>157317357
Surprisingly, it's the only area where hexes are the best source of damage because everything there resists everything else.

>>157317357
post-sully irithyll is one of the best areas in the game

>>157317335
>arenas will be three variations of the ashen anus we saw

>>157317210
Even comparing your image it still looks like they're two different models. Look closely at the emblem just past the hilt guard, the in game version is partially obscured by abyss gunk and discoloured. The version in the trailer has visibly more discernible detail on that engraving and is a stark silver as opposed the muddy and discoloured greenish-grey.

>>157316457
>3 just doesn't have any way to skip bad content
The bad content - Smouldering Lake - is completely, entirely and 100% optional though.

>>157317357
Imagine having such bad taste

So let's say non corrupted artorias sword is in the DLC. What would the weapon art be?

>>157317293
>>157317325
It's hilarious how much jaded /dsg/ has become, even when it has good reasons to be. The souls games might have one of the most angriest fanbases overall 2bh. At least one of the most offendable fanbases.

>>157317569
The exact same as the current one, keeping in line with the theme of DaS3.

>>157317450
Big M confirmed only 1 map for the arena with AoA but said they may consider adding more in the second DLC if there's demand for it.

The environment is just SoC's boss room with some rubble to serve as cover.

>>157317569
Exactly the same
Old Mirrah GS all over again

>>157317584
Shut your whore mouth

>>157317282
>And actually throwing the spear is useful for hitting people who try to roll away for estus.
Oh, You're fuckin genius! This is real hidden pvp tech from pro who "defend" Lifehunt as best melee spell in pvp.

>>157317569
the same. only thing that might change are the r2s

>>157317569
It will have the same R1s and R2s
The WA will be stance and the stance R1 will allow you to break a foe's guard from below while the stance R2 while be a lunging forward thrust that doesn't deal thrust damage.

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>>157317623
Bamco was the worst thing to happen to Souls games.

>>157317728
Bamco made dark souls 1 be shit?

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>>157315931
Underrated post.
While I don't want the arenas to suck so that the pvpfags in this threads could at least have some fun, I think arenas are the antithesis of real souls pvp.

Also
>this picture
Even though I dislike arenas, if there should've been an arena in DS3 at all, it should've been in ArchDragon Peak where the members of the Sunlight covenant can spar against each other and that's also the only place where Sunlight warriors should be allowed to invade but not co-op in.

>>157317757
Literally yes.

>>157317569
Standart GS moveset
Copypasted stance WA

>>157317435
>hexes
It's a snowy area, fire, and thus pyros, is still king.

>>157317443
For invading you could argue so, the area however has no new enemies, except for the drang guys, it's just a straight line towards Anor Londo which is a copy paste of that section in DaS. The only significant thing you can do is kill the two crocodogs.

>>157317538
It's a fucking corridor with enemies that all fall to R1 spam from even slow weapons. There aren't even attempts to add interesting gimmicks to its encounters.
You want a well crafted area? You look at things like the archives or the cathedral, both being exemplary if hiw a late or early game area makes the most of the gameplay

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>>157317282
>And actually throwing the spear is useful for hitting people who try to roll away for estus.
You've got to be kidding

>>157317757
For all three Souls games under them, yes.

>>157317641
This. The only change will be that the strength and dex scalings are inverted and it'll kill respawning skeletons like a blessed weapon (but without the Hp regen)

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>>157317683
>This is real hidden pvp tech from pro who "defend" Lifehunt as best melee spell in pvp

>>157314503
>But that windup is still too slow to hit anyone

>>157315808
>It just can't hit anyone because it's so slow

Have you just been talking to yourself all this time?

Can you put up a password for 3v3s though? Like, engage as a group? Would that revive the Vicars?

>>157317728
>it's Bamco! Bamco!
No. It's From Software being shit. A team made game worse then DS1, BB and DeS. Shit happens

Can we at least agree black flame is the best melee spell?

>>157317870
>It's a snowy area, fire, and thus pyros, is still king
Actually, pontiff knights resist fire to such a degree that they take more damage from black fire orb than from chaos orb or vestiges, same with outrider knights, vordt, and dancer. I guess the frost aura and low temperatures protects them from heat?

>>157317947
That definitely would revive the Vicars, but it's yet unconfirmed.

We'll have to learn the arena matchmaking rules, too. It could be that SL170 will be too high and we'll need to remake characters to get any activity. It could be that we'll get DaS1 ranges and we'll need to go up to 200. Who knows right now.

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>>157310560
>75 seconds of people using features that have existed since DeS
>The only new information is that the PvP arena gives you a tiny crown over your head
>All set to bad music that has nothing to do with Dark Souls
Why is Bamco's marketing department so shit

>>157318056
Aren't there 3(three) versions of that in das1

>>157317914
>higher damage than the other melee spells
SS has highest damage in point blank. It's designed for HA trading. All sane people call it melee spell.

>>157318024
Outrider Knights, Vordt and Dancer are all weak to dark because they're part of Gwyn's divine race. Dark is specifically anti-them.

I don't know about Pontiff Knights, though. Every time I've ever played a pyromancer through Irithyll, a single cast of GCFO has 1-shotted Pontiff Knights.

>>157318147
Black Fire Orb would have done more damage for less MP.

>>157318024
Is it? I had no problem during my pyro run with great combustion and vestiges. Maybe it's because the spells were already too strong?
I stand corrected then. Though fire is still ideal for the dogs amd hollows

>>157318113

Yes, in addition to those two there's the cursed version which has a darker blade, a bit like the Dark Sword.

>>157318247
it can hit new londo ghosts I remember now

>>157318147
It's more noticeable in NG+7, but they all have stupid low dark defense. Black Fire Orb also costs 1 less slot and less MP, which is nice since that place is so drawn out.

>>157318197
>great combustion
Black Flame is literally just a stronger GC in all instances.

>pontiff knight ranged attack is magic damage
How many enemies in this game actually deal dark damage? I can only think of Wolnir's breath and pursuer bombs.

>>157318113
Yes.
The cursed version is slightly worse overall but has lower requirements. It can kill ghosts without requiring you to be cursed or consume transient curses.

The uncursed version has the highest divine modifier in the game and 4-way scaling that makes it eventually become the strongest weapon possible after becoming stupidly high leveled (hence the 387 meme).

And then the Abyss Greatsword is the dlc version, which has the fucked up blade, the special spinny flippy shit from the boss and humanity scaling.

>>157318140
>damage control

You're right, you are done. But not for the reason you thought.

>>157317623
>but said they may consider adding more in the second DLC if there's demand for it

That sounds horrible.

>>157317728
Except that DaS1 was THE masterpiece of Miyahacki.

Contrary to what people shitpost about the game, DS3 is pretty much DeS2.0 but unfortunately with Bloodborne's gameplay lengthand DS2's bonfire density for the most part.

>>157318319
You need Karla for black flame, silly.

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>Wolf Knight's Greatsword
>unique R2
>two WA
>unique WA R1
>unique WA R2
>meanwhile other "unique weapons" have same movesets, one WA or even copypasted WA
DS3 was mistake

>>157318482
>That sounds horrible.
Considering this arena is literally just a bossroom, that at least means we might hold out for some other cool bossrooms as fight locales.

Imagine having 3v3s on the clouds of ADP where you fight NK

>>157317623
Big M is a retard.

Ashes looks like the worst Souls expansion ever.

>>157318393
I think that's it. IIRC, the only time you encounter dark damage is the Catacombs.

>>157318502
Fair enough.

>>157318393
Pus of man vomits?

>>157318464
Yeah. Read poise description in-game. Technically poise exist and works.

>>157318461
And seems the normal greatsword of artorias has magic damage too

>>157318482
>tfw miyazaki didn't eve know people wanted an arena in das3, so they quickly threw one together and sold it as dlc

We knew this was going to happen ever since that one interview. Dark Souls 3 isn't a sequel, it's a game made for the fanbase.

>>157318519
Weapon Arts were a mistake.
Tying Weapon Arts to FP was a mistake.
FP was a mistake.

>>157318393
The Evangelists deal dark damage with their super homing Gnaw

>>157318534
>the clouds of ADP where you fight NK
Wow, a completely flat plane
mega excitement

>>157318707
NOBODY WANTED AN ARENA

>>157318713
I don't see why. FP is pretty nice and not at all one of the things that are stopping dark souls 3 from being good.

>>157318657
Anon, are you saying you don't know how poise works? I swear I post this pasta once every thread.

DaS3 poise:

>You have an invisible meter of 100. Certain hyperarmor attacks have a modifier that increase or decrease this meter.

>The meter determines how many hits it takes to break your hyperarmor. When it hits zero, you get staggered out of hyperarmor.

>Poise reduces incoming stagger damage by a percentage equal to itself.

>Poise damage is calculated at all times whether you're in hyperarmor or not.

>Weapons have anywhere from 5 to 30 stagger damage, + or - for attack modifiers.

>The meter automatically refreshes back to 100 every 30 seconds or after hitting 0.

It doesn't work well, but it exists.

>>157318534
>Imagine having 3v3s on the clouds of ADP where you fight NK

Best bossrooms for PvP :

1v1 :
Index Gundyr / Champ room
DSA bridge

More than 1v1 :
Vordt's room
Dancer's room
Farron Keep

Also :
OPEN WYVERN FIGHT FOR INVASIONS HOLY SHIT

>>157318765
Wrong, I wanted one.

Arenas serve as containment zones for tryhard pvp autists and tourneyfags. They're great for keeping that shit out of the rest of the community.

>>157318713
Weapon arts were a good idea, the problem was their implementation. They should've made weapon arts equippable to attunement slots, then made 3-5 arts per weapon class.

>>157318843
>Arenas serve as containment zones for tryhard pvp autists and tourneyfags.
They never get used. Battle of Stoicism was a ghost town literally from the moment it was implemented and is STILL a ghost town. The dueling arenas in DaS2 did NOTHING to stop the Iron Keep PVP retards.

It's a fucking waste. Nobody is going to use it. Especially not the people you think are going to. Those people SPECIFICALLY are going to be ignoring it.

>>157318825
>3v3 Abyss Watchers cosplay fight in the AW boss room
Yes.

>>157318821
Description said nothing about HA.

Why are fighting game rejects attracted to Souls games? why

>>157318821

I still can't understand how Anyone could think this was a good way to implement HA.

>Make the Arena public even if you don't have the DLC
>Make it so Gems and other upgrade materials are rewarded to the winner
>Make it so some of the DLC items can be obtained by players who don't own the DLC from winning fights in the Arena

And there you go, now you have an arena that will actually be used.

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>you can do this only in DS1
>or in DS3 with cheats because of Gank Souls 3
Next M game better to be DeS/BB tier.

>>157319031
And DeS didn't explain world tendency, DaS1 didn't bother to explain how gravelording works, DaS2 never told anyone PoD was a PvP covenant, and Bloodborne didn't tell anyone about Arcane Tool superscaling. The series is notorious for not telling the player about important mechanics that change the entire fucking game.

>>157319118
want to use ha weapon? just get poise bro

>>157318821
You forgot
>Many weapons inflict less stagger on the hit that triggers a poise reset, causing them to fail to combo
>This means that it's actually beneficial to have as little poise as possible if you're not using HA weapons, so that your poise resets more often and avoids more damage.
>poise damage is incurred and can reset off of falsehits, but the player receives no indication of this
>it's impossible to track poise health outside of CE because of this.

>>157319147
>implying they won't have moronic systems like DaS2 where you have to maintain a strong win/loss ratio to earn rewards

Just watch. There'll be a whole new Curved Twinblade and Great Chaos Fireball

>>157319071
memes
it also boils down the combat into a straightforward guessing game

>>157318958
At least the dueling arenas get used in DaS2.
There are like 400+ people playing base DS2 and I still get matches in the BoB arena, while I didn't get ANY matches in the DaS1 arena on PC release.

>>157319189

Well all armour gives poise in DaS3 and no one runs around naked.

>>157318958
Yes, it's important to realise PvP fags want an arena that suits their desires. From's arena in 3 one way or another won't suit what they want to apply to PvP and they'll return to pontiff in no time

>>157319071
Players bad at fighting games are often attracted to 3d action games because it's much easier and gives them the same satisfaction. That's why people who get bullied in meltyblood run off to play tekken or soul calibur instead.