/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games

Don't forget your Gorgo

http://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/more-civ-6-leaks.599360/

>>157208808
Legend.

What's wrong with ES1?

>>157209929
It is aged.

>>157210546
How so?

>>157208808
Endless legend
Endless space was a good game but it's noticeably aged. Endless legend is still a super good game and still gets expansions.

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>>157209235
>the OP image
how the fuck do you lose ANYTHING on settler

Haven't been here for a while. Is Civ 6 shit?

>>157210935
Apparently you also come from the future.

>>157211040
time travel is popular these days
>>157210935
it's not out yet, but it looks alright.
Personally, I don't like how saturated the world looks.

>>157210935
as far as anyone can tell, it looks like it's gonna be at least better than Civ V was at release

albeit that's not a high bar to clear, but it's something

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>>157210935
so far it looks good. better than civ 5 on release, and to many, better than what civ 5 was with its expansions built in. But it has its fair share of problems.
>artstyle is love or hate
>ai is still shit
>balancing is pretty iffy
>there will be metric tons of dlc with the alt leaders being confirmed in datamining (might not be a con if you like that)
>no word on multiplayer, will probably be as unstable as civ 5
>no words on mods, might not have mod tools when the game is released

>>157210935
>No Isabelle to step on your dick while telling you to DEUS VULT
it's shit desu

>>157211187
>>157211285
>>157211313
Might have to give it a pirate first then.

I think if they're not gonna bring back Ethiopia, then they could include the Kingdom of Aksum as a civ

>>157211313
I think I might draw more of these. I wanted to do a comic with a chain of AIs bitching about their agendas.

>>157210743
probably a weak joke or the guy was really retarded
>>157210935
I think there are obvious areas of improvement but from what I saw I like it.

>>157211313
>artstyle is love or hate
More like tolerate or hate to be honest.

>>157213373
theres a lot of people that say they love it. others have gotten used to it, and others are avoiding it completely/calling it a failure based around the artstyle.

>>157213486
>theres a lot of people that say they love it.
I'm not convinced they aren't just being contrarian. Statistically, there's probably someone somewhere who genuinely likes it and isn't just reacting to the general negativity, but that's not the impression I generally get from people who are comparatively in favor of the style here.
>others have gotten used to it, and others are avoiding it completely/calling it a failure based around the artstyle.
Or in less words, "tolerate or hate".

>>157213805
im not just taking 4chan into account, im also talking about places like civfanatics and reddit.

>>157213943
Well, the argument of insincerity applies even more to reddit since they'll speak out in favor of literally anything a game company does out of pure corporate tribalism.

>>157213486
I feel like the artstyle here is a repeat of what happened with wildstar.
It looks like utter shit in screenshots. But when you see it in motion it somehow works and looks really good.

I've just realized custom cultists can take we chosen few. Holy fuck.
Does mercenary comforts work with their village spawns?

>>157186567
The UI is the only reason I never got a refund on Endless Space.

>>157213373
Some of us simply don't care overmuch. The only part of artstyle that stands out to me is forests, they look much infirior to 5, other than that I couldn't care less.

>>157214437
I don't think it does.

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Anyone else hyped for the new features for EL Tempest expansion? That new achievement about shared victories really has me hoping for some kind of true Co-Op option. Beyond that though I'm digging the idea of water based factions, bases, naval warfare and sea monsters a ton.

>>157216494
No.

Because I'm scared of deep water.

>>157216617
Then I should remind you that this is out
http://store.steampowered.com/app/452530/

>>157216494
Very. Morgar or whatever look real cool; lots of cards to play. Eager to see if they actually work out.

>>157216721
I kinda lost all interest for Sunless Sea when they changed combat.
I could survive a fair bit before, but when it became real-time, I just gave up.

That first screenshot is horrifying though.

pls rate all the EL expansions for me.

>>157216617
Very understandable
>>157216759
Agreed. I'm not sure how the balance will be yet, but I love all the new additions they've stated thus far so I'm positive.
>>157216979
On a scale of 10/10 with 5 being average-

Guardians: 6/10. I like what it adds, but it feels by no means necessary to have. Good bonuses with some interesting consequences.

Shadows: 8/10. Personally don't play the faction it introduces a ton, but I like the mechanics and it gives you a lot more to do and focus on.

Forges: 6/10. It's a free update with lots of new things in it that are useful to have. The unit they introduce in it to compliment Guardians is a little crazy if I remember right, but not very hard to deal with if you're actually good at the game.

Echoes: 5/10. Love the new tracks, but by no means necessary for gameplay

The Lost tales: 6/10. Nice extras that flesh the game out more. Gives you much more quest depth and lore flavor.

Shifters: 8/10. Loved the new winter mechanics and I like the theme of the faction that comes with it, gives more flavor to something that previously just felt like a slog without recourse. Pearls as a resource are fun and the upgrades that come with them range from alright to incredibly useful.

Tempest: X/10. It's not out yet, but it looks fun so far.

Whats the recommended list of mods for civ v?

>>157217749
EUI, Events & Decisions, and a few others.

>>157217716
On reflection I might give Shadows a 7-7.x/10 because I don't always feel like I should use the mechanics they put in, but I like them and think they're useful from what I have dabbled in. Giving you more incentive to focus on heroes was a good choice I think, because you can already get through the vanilla game with 1 easily unless your faction requires more.

>>157216979
Guardians is a must have, Shadows and Shifters are clusterfucks, Echoes of Auriga is okay if you like the music, The Lost Tales adds a bunch of quests with mostly useless gear as a reward.

>>157217836
>EUI

You can't find it anymore.

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>War declared
>Their fleet strength: Superior
>Their fleet capacity: equivalent
>Their fleet technology: Superior

HELP

>>157218202
>get to destroyers
>ugh this is so boring
>alt f4
Heinlein can't come soon enough.

>>157218039
You are bad at looking

>>157218258
How do I install EUI?

I have a folder named UI_bc1 and I placed it in the MODS folder but wont show up?

>>157218423
put it in dlc

>>157218202
>Want to play peaceful game
>wind up boxed into 4 stars by militarist xenophobes

>want to play warmongering game
>friendly qt aliums that I could never attack all around me

>>157218254
Wait. It's still not out yet?

>>157216979
Echoes: No
Guardians: Yes
Tales: Meh
Shadows: Meh
Shifters: Yes

>>157218719
20th
Theyre literally releasing it to compete with civ lmao

>>157218461
dunno if something is wrong but when I click "chose research" it does nothing.

It won't bring up the ui bar.

I have to either press f6 or leave it.

>>157218943
I'm not getting Civ until my birthday on the 29th, so mission accomplished Paraducks, I guess.

>>157218943
Are they idiots?

>>157219391
Tis a question I have been asking a lot regarding Hoi4 and Stellaris.

>>157216494
I was reading the forums, they've apparently gone over the AI, semi-hype.

GoW come dominions has it's own General?

>>157219838
>GoW
What?

>>157220260
*How

Yes, I'm a filthy phone poster and am deeply ashamed.

>>157220434
Commit sudoku now.

Also, Deominions has its own general because they're not all asshats and the game is too fucking deep.

>>157219838
Big enough to stay afloat. You can literally make a general of your own to what ever niche you want.

>>157210935
it's fantastic

>>157219490
There's some logic.
> A) Release after VI? No buyers, everyone's busy on Civ
> B) Release slightly before VI? Very impatient people with poor impulse control will give you their month's vidya money

B is not a huge demographic, but it's bigger than A's demographic.

Also there's the point that Leviathans is legit value for money. It's actual fuckhueg spaceddragon content for only like $2 more than "Dude plants lmao".

Whoever thinks up the prices at Paradox is not a smart man.

>>157220592
torrent when?

>>157220953
Alternatively that guy is way smarter than all of the buyers and swimming in cash money

teach me about ship fitting/fleet comp in stellaris

>>157221162
Nothing but tachyon lance battleships, until they release the Heinlein update.

>>157221441
but i don't have tachyon lances yet

>>157221162
As >>157221441 says, anything we tell you today is going to be obsolete next week, so gaining a nuanced understanding is not worth it.
But yeah, "Tachyon battleships".

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Made me smile

>>157221717
Lasers and Plasma until that point if I remember right, but we're gonna relearn that shit in like 8 days

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So, Endless Space 2 looks... big.

>>157222019
And what causes these fine fungoid gentlemen to become salty?

Is the AC Anon here?

>>157222412
It looks like complete shit.

>>157221003
5 days before release

>>157222509
Some random anomaly where humans find salt on a planet, which was depleted on their homeworld, anon.

>>157222590
I've already got it. Plays great. Like Endless Legend out in space, different map options, more solid factions... for an Early Access, it's already pretty complete, and all the stuff they're still adding/haven't put in yet just makes me more excited.

Took me a few moments to figure out the science tree tho'.

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>Playing rome
>9 coastal cities
>Rome is not.
What a truly sad state of affairs

>>157223297
Rome wasn't a coastal city

>>157223445
Many ancient cities that begun as land locked setttlements eventually spread out to hug the coast, because it offers so many quantifiable advantages. It is one of the main things I'm looking forward in civ6 - ability to spread a city.

>>157223642
True, I actually really like the fact that you can fucking build a harbor when not on the coast. Shit made settling one or two tiles away from water always that bit worse.

>>157222412
>no fish feet

please tell me Firaxis will slow down research speed or Eurekas! a bit.
Most lets plays have flights or computer technology by 1400, this is bullshit.
meanwhile it takes them 15 turns to build a single district.

Is anyone else unable to download Enhanced UI? I go to the thread on civfanatics, click on the link to the download and it just says "Error".

Could someone mirror it somewhere else?

>>157224217
Research in civ was always too fast on standard, hopefully they will balance it out eventually, otherwise, yay for the great nuking of constantinople. Who needs sieges am I right.

>>157223297
Looks aesthetic as fuck though

Endless Legend 75% off on steam.

Is it worth it? How about Endless Space?

>>157224434
Thanks, I do try. Now to figure when is the right time to turn the insane amount of hammers I got from exploration into an army, and go expand into carthage.

>>157224217
What speed

>>157224559
Legend yes, Space no. Space has infuriating combat. Legend is at least a bit better in that regard, with more style and flair. On top of that the factions feel and play delightfully different.

>>157223297
Isn't building your capital as coastal in Civ V a fault what with naval units being ungodly strong in atomic and modern age?

>>157224976
>Space has infuriating combat
What's wrong with it, besides being hands-off?

>>157225068
Rome has a bonus to building any building that is already build in rome. Rome not being coastal costs me a lot of hammers because of it, since with 9 coastal cities I am more or less forced to go exploration, meaning Lighthouse, Harbor and Seaport in every city, and me not getting +25% hammers bonus on them, hurts.

>>157225068
Yes kinda. Deep inlets can be very good since they kinda combine the good things of being in land with good things of having water access.
2 or more bordering water tiles is a suicide unless you have the biggest navy.

>>157223297
ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME

GORGO

Gorgo's Hoplites have the Spartan lambda and capes!

Yeah so essentially Civ V Aztecs but beefier

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syS-SFtr-44
>Culture from kills.

CAN YOU UPHOLD THE PROUD LEGACY OF SPARTA?

I want to fuck voice-over chan

considering the way they advertise the multi-leaders, they'd probably have another civ with multiple leaders

I thought they were done announcing new leaders. I thought they were only going to have the nineteen.

>>157226321
a bit boring, but at least she wont be anal over city states

I hoped for a unique play style like Venice (you know, because only one city)

>>157226639
Venice was garbage and easy to kill

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That shake.

>>157226779
why is Firaxis too afraid to introduce beautiful femal leader?

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>>157226321
>a "leader" whose sole significance was being married to someone important

>>157226982
she actually claimed "women of sparta gives birth to spartan men"

>>157226368
she is an uggo.

>>157226779
why is she strutting her breasts at me

>>157211369
>the french leader is italian
KeK

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>>157227210
she wants to give birth to spartan men

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>>157226779
Gorgo, are you trying to seduce me?

>>157226840
At least she looks better than the previously revealed female leaders. I hope they're just delaying the better looking ones. They're probably all ugly old hags.

>>157226675
yeah, its a garbage civ playable only against AI. Idiotic role-play that's opposed to core ideas of the game

>>157227293
Well, at least Jadwiga is guaranteed to be young since she died at 26.

>>157226982
she also fucked someone and something happened and Democracy

>>157226982
>see this
>look at france
Civ 6 housewives

>that /v/ thread

like clockwork

>>157226779
SPARTAN MARRIED CHICKS SHAVED THEIR HAIR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

this is great now that it's confirmed.

I don't even care about gorgo. But this will work literal wonders for both official DLC and modding. They confirmed on twitter that you can play with both leaders in the same game, so no conflicts there. Want Alexander as the leader of greece? You got it. Younger Pericles? Got it. the list goes on. Now you don't have to make a new civilization just for a new leader.

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>Mfw theres a chance that poland will have Pilsudzki as a leader

>>157226840
Gorgo's face isn't that hot but her body is fucking amazing, for a woman.

>>157229009
She looks like she has gotten Botox.

>>157228739
All I want is Batory, he was the proper badass.

>>157228739
>yfw Tsar Alexander II as the King of Poland

Phil and Alfonso would be best buddies right

>>157229871
>mehh leader isnt a 10/10 15 year old japanese idol
Face is okaish, and body is damn hot. compared to other civ games shes definitly in the top ten. Also the male counterparts tend to be ugly/fat sometimes.

>>157230670
>>mehh leader isnt a 10/10 15 year old japanese idol
You linked to the wrong post.

Leader design so good in civ 6

>>157230776
I'm going to have a problem staring at Qin's ugly bug-eyed mug all game.

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>>157231056
these eyes will watch you

>>157231056
I think his face got a lift and the eyes are less bug eyed
I for once will play as Qin so I will not have to look at this face regardless

>>157231314
Is this new? This looks less bug-eyed. I didn't even mind the fat face, just the eyes.

>>157231412
It's a more recent build than his First Look video was from.

>>157231314
The animation looks so much better than Civ V. I guess it helps that they aren't even trying to transition between animations this time. It's just separate scenes they cut between.

>>157226321

>Sparta
>Acropolis

pic one

>>157231412
Yeah, it's new. They've actually listened to the response and changed a few things. Victoria was changed too.

>>157231712
I hope that brazil/egypt not being in the prerelease was because they're busy improving on them. pedro just looks off compared to most other male leaders, and cleo has very odd eyes.

anyone /men of war/ here? What are some good guides/people to read/watch to git gud?

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I haven't been keeping up with the news since Civ 6 was first announced. How's it looking, guys? Will you be buying it at release, will you wait a few days for reviews, or will you hold off until the complete edition comes out in a few years?

I don't want to get epically burned like I did with Beyond Earth

>>157231959

There are plenty of playthroughs on youtube if you want to see for yourself.

Civ V and BE were both early betas on release. This one might be better but probably not by much. If $60 seems a risky investment just pirate it.

>>157231959
ill buy it on release simply because I've seen more than enough that shows that it will be good, in my opinion. but it's best to hold off until after it releases, for full reviews. I just don't have patience when I haven't bought any games this year.

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>>157232182
I'd go as far as saying as BE is still unfinished. There's just nothing going on with that game. There's no reason to not play Alpha Centauri over it.

>>157232283
it could have been great, but they treated it like any other spinoff game, like civ 4 colonization. except they delivered a half-baked launch version that was just a shitty reskin of civ 5, and never really improved on it. not to mention they made that stupid fucking starships game to go along with it.

Gorgo's only notable achievement was being Leonidas' wife. Why not just pick Leonidas- oh wait of course. Vagina quota.

So endless is on super cheap sale

Is it any good? What does it do well/do poorly? Is the AI smart or dumb as shit Civ style?

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>>157226982
Yeah that's totally unrealistic

Anyone have the endless legend game randomized thing? I've got a horrible habit of only ever playing the cultists for that game, to the point that I think it's the civ I have the most time on.

I'm only now starting to really feel like I'm missing out on some of the games major aspects by going one city every game, and I feel like the best thing for it at this point is to just throw myself at another faction cold turkey.

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>>157232810
Almost as bad as how they made the hues a GP factory with no historical basis at all, and gave them a super elite battleship cause all those tales of Brazillian naval supremacy amirite?
Never mind the whole Scythia thing, where the chick they used is probably mythological and not even a historical person. And thais is who Genghis gets bumped for.

>>157233731
genghis has been dlc in practically every civ

>>157233829
anon look at the reply and the post he is replying to

>>157233731
>Never mind the whole Scythia thing, where the chick they used is probably mythological and not even a historical person. And thais is who Genghis gets bumped for.
>Being that much or a contrarian.

A lot of civ leaders have questionable histroicity. And seeing the same leaders every fucking game is not fun.

>>157234004
But I just wanna play Civ 5, why do they have to make new and different games? Muh Mongols etc

>>157231314
>face veil doesn't even come close to his face
It's like they don't even know what those beads are for.

>Though not much is known about her childhood, history remembers Queen Gorgo of Sparta, married to KING LEONIDAS I in the 5th century BC, as a wise politician and capable ruler. She reigned alongside KING LEONIDAS I during the Greco-Persian Wars, a series of conflicts between the Persian Empire and the independent Greek city-states, and aided KING LEONIDAS I in his quest to form a coalition to muster against the impending invasion from Xerxes.

So she did jack shit and King Leonidas I was the leader of Sparta. Why the fuck is she playable instead of him?

>>157236104
Because they need to cater to Social Justice Warrior and their delusions that women are actually relevant.

>>157236104
They made an announcement somewhere that they prioritize interesting leaders over important/good ones. Gorgo had some snappy quotes.

>>157236407
>They made an announcement somewhere that they prioritize interesting leaders over important/good ones
It's not a horrible policy, but sometimes they do take it too far IMO.

>>157236407

It's the better route if you ask me. Otherwise you just end up with the same Mary Sue leaders repeatedly

Nobody ever said Civ was about playing good leaders

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So what alternate leaders are you hoping for
>cmon Tang Taizong

>>157233731
>I wish I know about history

It's OK, anon. Not everyone can be smart.

where can i download mods for civ 5?

i don't have the original version so i can't get them from Steam, and CivFanatics download section has been down for weeks

>>157238223
Have you tried steamdownloader.com?
It stops working every now and then.

Does gamespeed in CivV only affect construction and research times?

>>157238530
Didn't know this existed, thanks my friend.

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wow to be honest

>>157239501
That's not what cucked means, that's pussy-whipped

Damned kids these days

>>157239501
>all those medals with only 300 posts
fuck is this
do they just give you participation rewards or something

>>157239670
They're for buying games. Notice that he has three for Stellaris, one for each version of the game.

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>>157236795
>They made an announcement somewhere that they prioritize interesting leaders over important/good ones
And it's a fucking stupid policy.

If I were asked to select a single leader for my country I'd choose the most successful, capable, and historically important one, not the one who was the "most interesting". Or in certain cases for Civ VI, "has a vagina".

Shit man, it's not like there AREN'T female leaders out there who were successful, capable, and historically important. We know this because THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS SERIES BEFORE. But yet for some reason they decided to not use any of the actually good ones in favour of including literal whos. Fuck, they even passed up a perfectly good opportunity to use Hatshepsut, an actually important egyptian female pharaoh, opting instead for eternal fuckup Cleopatra.

"Interesting" are not qualities you should be looking for in a figure of authority. It's just an optional bonus.

WAR IN HEAVEN SOON LADS.

>>157223165
Tiny as fuck tech tree makes me sad.

>>157240065
>If I were asked to select a single leader for my country I'd choose the most successful, capable, and historically important one
And if you were asked to do so 6 times? (Did civ 1 have person-leaders? I dont remember)

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>>157216979
No excuse not to get everything for $20. This would include ES1 and DotE.

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>>157226982
It's a bit challenging to find women that actually did something in their life.

>>157240065
they problem is that they can't just use the same leaders over and over again. every civ is the same way with this. civ 5 was the only civ that had a large amount of leaders taken from the previous game. if you keep the majority the same, people will complain that its just a reskin, or whatever. but if you try to get in 'fresh blood' they will complain about shit like this. theres no winning.

when do you think endless space 2 will be out?

>>157240658
the* problem, even.

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>>157240687
After Brexit.

>>157211313
>metric tons of dlc with the alt leaders being confirmed in datamining (might not be a con if you like that)
The only ones I know of are Gorgo and Isabella. Who else is there?

>>157240902
thats it. I made that post before the first look came out, so alt leaders weren't really common knowledge.

>>157240902
I think the anon is operating under the assumption that because alternate leaders exist as a concept, many will be released as DLC. Which isn't an unreasonable assumption.

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>>157226321
>Greece gets a second leader while India obviously deserves it the most
>the second leader's claim to fame is "got mentioned while having a vagina"
I have to admit I'm a little salty that resources were used to create her of all people, she's not even real waifu material.

>>157241254
She was the embodiment of the Spartan ideal woman.

>>157241423
Submissive?

>>157241254
>still no Hitler

>>157241090
It seems weird to have a ton of leader DLC. I know they avoided multiple leaders in V because creating a new leader was 99% of the work in making a new civ. The environments have been removed but I find it hard to imagine a lot has changed in that respect. Either way I hope we don't end up with the same number of leaders as V but only 32 civs or some shit by the time the expansions are done.

>>157241535
Stop spouting this meme.

>>157241496
You're thinking of Athens.

>>157241670
Never.

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>>157241535
Yeah, that's a shame. I'd like a painter.

>>157241719
Weren't they all faggots anyway, only fucking women to get heirs?

>>157241805
>final ultimate blitzkrieg
makes me laugh every time

>>157241805
I wonder how a smiling Hitler looks like. I always saw him frowning or yelling.

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Civ 6 Deluxe or not
I'm asking for...a friend

>>157241625
This is a concern for me too, but I suspect, given what we have seen so far, There is a lot less money going into leader portraits, as such may not be a big deal.

>>157241805
They did enjoy sex with men, but that's a Greek thing not an Athenian thing. Athenians were the ones where the women were supposed to stay in the home and not be seen outside of it or talk to men besides their husbands. Spartans were the ones where the women ran the businesses and agriculture because the men were busy being soldiers. This is why an athenian woman asks Gorgo why only Spartan women command men, she was insinuating that Spartan woman were unfeminine because they control the slaves.

>>157241625
the background was the biggest issue. its why they got rid of them for here. if they brought out alt leaders with the same background, people would bitch at them for not getting new backgrounds.

>>157242095
Don't. You don't even know what you're getting.

Guesses on what Britain's second leader will be?

Alfred? William? Churchill?

>>157243606
Elizabeth.

>>157243606
Elizabeth

How many more leaders do we get?

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>>157243662
>>157243671
Not bad.

+10 damage verses spanish ships?

>>157243606
I'd love Henry VII or something like Oliver Cromwell

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>>157239501
>the last of his dynasty

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Decisions, decisions. Ironically, in a game where alternative methods are available in 9 events out of 10.

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>>157244536
THEY. USED. SHORT. HAIR

H I T L E R

>>157245109
How is that short?

>>157245403
IT ISN'T. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

>>157243742
You'll get Lizzy again and you'll like it.

>>157239767
How many do you need for the official Good Goy Insignia?

>>157239501
His profile is only missing a "Location: Sweden" entry for a near-perfect meme score. And a mention to his wife's son. Still HQ content though.

>>157245439
Ah. Well then. At least we won't have /v/ bitching about her hair for being "dumblr"

>>157216979
Guardians is great. I don't use the titular units much, but the legendary deeds and wonders and really good additions. Draws you out of your comfort zone and rewards you for it.

Shadows is top tier. Espionage is great, stealth is great, pillaging is something that seems like it should have been in since day one, the Forgotten are incredibly fun.

Echoes is music. Take it or leave it.

Lost Tales is small, but I like it. More quest variety adds a lot, and all the new quests are pretty unique.

Shifters is kinda meh. Pearls could be better, Allyai are a trainwreck.

>>157216979
Shifters is currently the only bad expansion.
The faction itself is garbo outside one meme that doesn't really work. The pearls incite war too easily. The pearl rewards are also slide between gamebreakingly strong to unbelievably useless and no inbetween.

>>157245524
I doubt we'll see Eliza. People are dumb and will be unable to tell the difference between them, leading to confusion. Major game developers love clarity too much for the vicky+lizzy combo to happen.

>>157246380
Allyai being good at something? What madness do you speak of?

>>157247987
Grabbing pearls in the ocean with the their flying carpets. Although they lose that in the next expansion when the new faction rule the sea.

I'm new to 4x games, just started playing Endless Legend

One of first things I did was search some nearby ruins and got some weapon with crazy stats on it, but can't find it anywhere in the equip screen for my hero, where is it?

>>157248490
That's it? Who cares, anyone can do that.

What is more beneficial if I start with 4 city states within spitting distance of capital, patronage or outright conquest?

>>157248731
The weapon may require materials that you don't have access to yet, look around for an option that shows all weapons, not just those you can use at the moment.

>>157248969
Are they good cities? Do you have room to expand otherwise?

>>157249445
I can expand, tho in a very narrow corridor. They are mediocre but run the gamit of each type except culture. There is an extra mercantile one near my first expand. I play wide.

>>157248839
Not early game.

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Everybody knew we'd get Gorgo, yet everyone is shocked and angry about it anyway.

How many leaders is 6 releasing with?

>>157251010
20

>>157251053
Are you rusing me?

>>157224976
Thanks, same fag as here >>157224559.

Is the Tempest DLC gud?

>>157250581
Maybe very early. And any advantage is nullified by them absolutely NEEDING pearls to function.

>>157249760
Well maybe this time you won't.
Befriend them. A bunch of CS bonuses beat a bunch of mediocre cities and ton of warmonger penalties and no CS buddies forever.

>>157251053
18 civs if you don't pre-order. Aztec too if you do. Two leaders for Greece. 20

>>157217917
>>157246059
>>157246380
What about the Allyai need fixing? I haven't played them yet so I don't know what they're good and bad with besides pearls.
>>157251341
It's not out yet nigga.

>>157251690
>>157251217
Meant to reply to the question, not my previous post.

>>157251341
How the fuck should we know? It's not out yet. It looks good, at least.

>>157251690
Why would they only have one civ with two leaders?

>>157251696
>>157251808
I seem to have missed the big "Pre-Purchase" part.

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>>157251956

You really think they're going to ship every civ with two leaders?

>>157251956
You bring up a good point. Sorry for sucking dicks, Anon. They'll probably introduce more alternates as we come closer to the release.

Sell me on your favorite EL factions, /civ4xg/. Who works best for you? The hardest to screw up with? The most fun?

>it's another "bonuses based on continent" episode

seriously. why do they think that's even remotely fun, interesting or even worth implementing?

>>157250997
>everyone is shocked and angry about it
I'm shocked and angry that there is no Dido.

>>157252137
No, I'm wondering why they would ship with ONE civ with two leaders. That's not even an arbitrary amount. That's one. That's as weird as them releasing a game where every civ gets a second leaders except one.

>>157252146
That's what I was thinking.

>>157252394

>No, I'm wondering why they would ship with ONE civ with two leaders.

Probably just to showcase the fact that there will be multiple leaders for civs, which was widely speculated on (and generally accepted as a fact) but never officially confirmed until now.

>>157252719
Well it sounds increasingly like /civ4xg/ doesn't officially know how many leaders there will be so I don't like it when people matter-of-factly claim the current number of leaders is the total number of leaders.

>>157252378

>Dido

ur waifu a shit

>>157251696
They can gather pearls better than anyone else, but they need more pearls than anyone else. Garths and Skyfins both cost pearls, and you badly need them both, so you usually get LESS votes and pearl buildings than everyone else, not more. They get less out of the mechanic they're packages with than all other races!
Their army is strong in winter, doesn't slow down and stuff, but they get double expansion disapproval, so you can't go on a winter rampage at all. I guess you could maybe just snipe capitals? Maybe?
On that note, their units shift form in winter, but they're not actually better, just different. Most people prefer the summer forms of Skyfins and Seekers. And again, really can't war much.
Seekers are pretty bad, as are their heroes. Your starting hero has food boost 1 and army health 1, what a fucking joke. Your whole starting kit is junk. Skyfins are neat, Monks are badass.
Their food growth is halved and expansion disproval is doubled. This is crippling, they need to go tall, they don't have a choice, this is a -20 point trait, and they have nothing to make up for it. Look at Cultists; one city, but it's a seriously badass city and you can convert villages. Allayi? Nothing.
Then there's some random little doodads. Seeing exactly when winter starts is nice, there's a tech which boosts booster duration when you activate them all at once, they get +15 initiative per morale which is probably their best trait and damn if that isn't depressing.

Their a faction with a huge disadvantage and nothing to make up for it. The stuff that's supposed to are negated by other stuff, not actually advantages at all, or to small to make a difference. And to top it all off, they're not geared towards anything that actually wins the game. It speaks volumes that their listed preferred victory condition is quest. I guess that's true, because they can't do anything else and have a really easy, really boring quest.

TL;DR: What needs fixing? Everything.

>>157226321
>>157226639
>>157226982
>>157241254

All this salt and no mention of sharing culture from kills during wars alongside best ally Gilgamesh.
Do any of you even

>>157253297
>sharing culture from kills during wars alongside best ally Gilgamesh
We can't be certain of that.

>>157240210
>Did civ 1 have person-leaders? I dont remember

Yes, but special abilities weren't a thing til 3's 'types,' i.e. expansionist, commercial, etc

>>157252219
I love the Cultists. Their gameplay is so different, I don't have to worry about whether and when to build settlers, I can watch my city sprawl for miles and the constant trickle of free minor faction units gets insane later in the game when you have half the villages in the world on your side. Plus I find 'evangelising' factions fun in any game.

I also like the Forgotten, even though they're not as good. With other factions you rarely get to do the high-level spying stuff but the Forgotten can pull them off several times a game, and sneaking around enemy territory straight through closed borders and pillaging their booty is fun. I especially love the "drop defences to zero + move in with a huge stealth army" alpha strike to snatch cities. I remember one time attacking a city with a huge garrison, getting units onto their reinforcement points almost immediately and only having to kill two or three units to take the city.

Will Gilgamesh share culture from Gorgo's kills in joint wars?

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>>157252951
I need her for the perfect waifu collection, but it's obvious that you have objectively shit taste.

>>157252219
BLs have the best aesthetic, the best story, the best music, and the best gameplay. Faction of the year, of all years. The NEED NEED NEED to be customized, though. The vanilla Lords are offensively underpowered.

Forgotten are fun as hell for all the reasons >>157253625 said. It's unfortunate they're so weak. Not bad by any stretch, but...they got problems. Need plenty of dust for heroes and tech, but nothing to get that dust with besides inconsistent pillaging.

>>157253385
Certain, no.
But, then, everything else from kills gets shared when allied units are in range.
Why should culture be different?
If you're not into the concept of 'fair assumptions,' super, but I'd rather imagine several possibilities than focus only on what currently 'certain' (see above inane discussion about leader numbers), and then, when the reality becomes apparent, being able to work in any direction.

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>>157252378
>fellow Dido-patrician in the thread

she truly is top waifu

>>157252280
Because it gives a greater incentive for exploration.

>>157254758
exploration is shit and pangea is the superior map because naval warfare is shit

the only exception is small continents/archipelgoiglgi but, again, naval warfare is shit so while it's fun because its easy, it's shit

>>157255271
There is a different mechanic for continants in VI

>>157255401
orly

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What do you can recommend waiting for civ6? Looking for a comfy 4x game (can be old).

>Bored of Civ5
>Civ4 with mods kinda fun, but unstable (unistalled after another crash with stone to cosmos)
> Dominions 4 too autistic for me (having to build in each province etc)

Looking for a good 4x game (can be rts or turn based) and i NEED random maps.

Widelands (Settlers 2 remake) is nice, but dead. No random maps and ship mechanics sucks. Is there any game like this, but more developed? Cossacks 3 still sucks with bad AI and bugs? Already done with AoE3, Stellaris etc and i don't like EL due to shitty homm style combat.

>>157255863

HoMM3

>>157255863
Pirate Anoo 1404, it's pretty relaxing to autistically set up an economy.

>>157255863
age of wonders 3 maybe?
>shitty homm style combat.
oh wait

I just bought the collection that was on sale for Endless Legends. It's downloading as we speak.

What am I in for, /civ4xg/?

>>157255970
As i mention i hate homm-like combat system. I even tried this again but random maps are fucking joke broken mess and ai is too stupid.

>>157256250
Try the fifth one. The AI will shit on you.

>>157255863

Dunno, depends if you can stomach tactical real-time or not

If you can :

>AoE 2/AoE 3/AoM
>EE1/EE2
>Supreme Commander (first, not second, always the expansion)
>Cossacks 3
>Anno 2070 (potentially 2205 ? Didn't check latest thing). Earlier Annos can apply, like 1701 or 1404
>Total War (can count as second category too, but the Strategy map tends to be hollow)
>Blitzkrieg 3

If not :

>Master of Orion (the new one)
>EUIV
>CK2
>HoI4
>Stellaris
>Again, any Total War, especially if modded properly

Some games are coming up that are strategy-ish too. Civ 6 of course, The Guild 3, probs a bunch of tactical RTSes I heard about, etc

>>157256081
>>157256083
AoW3 looks good, but i dont like combat system. I will try Anno, never played it.

>>157256176
Fun early games followed by massive slogs.
imho

>>157256337
>>157256456

Played most of those games. Anno looks most comfy, but there are many fucking versions - what version is concluded as best?

>>157256176
A lot of confusion, a lot of fun, then the fun honeymoon period wears off and either you get REALLY AUTISTIC and it becomes mega comfy, or you can't handle it and hate playing it past mid-game

>>157256671
>REALLY AUTISTIC
That's me

>>157256517
Perfectly fine.

>>157256642
The one that doesn't have Uplay.

>>157256337
>>Blitzkrieg 3
some explain this meme, it looks like a mix between CoH and shitty freemium mobile games. It can't possibly be good, can it?

>>157256517
>>157256337
>>157256081

Also, does it have random maps? I dont like static maps. What version

>>157255271
Good thing theres still multiple continents on Pangea maps in Civ6

>>157256889
Anno 1404 has a random map option IIRC.

Just make sure to pirate it, you need to avoid the uplay cancer at at all costs.

>>157256852

Brand new version of Blitzkrieg. Blitzkrieg used to be an old WW2 tactics game. New version is a bit shit at times but maybe you can enjoy it

>>157256974
It's amazing that people still haven't understood this.

>>157255863
>(having to build in each province etc)
You generally won't build in most provinces as most nations.

>>157257445
Yeah but i am too autistic and try to defend my borders, i like to have comfy empire and kill anyone approaching and it makes me mad when ai raid my unprotected provinces, so i build every province. I hate this kind of game where is too hard to draw a border.

>>157257670
Use province defense. AI can't handle that at all.

Or play multiplayer, humans act more reasonably.

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How much did you fools pay for your Civ 6?

39,99 euros here.

VS a big gang of dorgeshi. Like six, seven maybe?
ALL of them activated crippling charge. Every single one. The next round half of them got 1-2% crits.
What is this fire emblem bullshit?

>>157257025
Thanks anon, i will try GOG version of it, it says its non-DRM and i support those guys.

>>157257026
the numerous blitzkrieg engine games are true masterpieces. Cuban missile crisis, tavisota icy hell, stalingrad, world war one, you name it. Pure kino

So /4xg/, is there a consensus on which game has by far the best AI? I heard great things about the AI in GalCiv 2

>>157258208
If there is a non-pirate way, that'S cool.

Just avoid uplay like the fucking plague.

>>157258208
>>157258728

Fairly sure the GOG version was advertised as getting rid of the piece of trash uplay.

>>157258728
Yeah i know especially when i have to play on multiple computers around the world.

I will start with Anno 1404 then, thanks anon. Other Annos xxxx are not worth try?

>>157247609
We had them both leading England before.

>>157259196

I guess Anno 1701 can be fun too in the same ways

>>157257204
it's a pre-release discussion. not everyone has heard all the news.

misunderstanding isn't the issue.

>>157253625
I like playing cultists, but their resource income is so shit and their army spread is pretty garbage. I have some trouble playing them depending on what nations are on the map with me, especially hyper militaristic ones or Roving Clans due to said resource issue. Heroes are fucking great though.
>>157254213
>vanilla Lords are offensively underpowered
How so? They're my go to faction in most game modes and I feel like they're pretty strong in most situations beyond food heavy tile environments.

>>157252219
ARDENT MAGES because the tech "Painosphere" makes me laugh.

Also, they're just fun. Their damage is inverse proportional to their health so you get explosive damage and win wars easily. Also they tech quickly and can get an edge quickly.

Angry Elves are probably the hardest to screw up with. You just build shit, shit works out and suddenly, you have a good infrastructure.

>>157256974
>Good thing theres still multiple continents on Pangea maps in Civ6
Casualization.

>>157261324
How?

>>157261324
That doesn't even make sense

>>157256974

Finally. I love europe-like maps with one big continent and 1-2 big island (prefferably with some civ starting on it).

That feal to Sealoewe-invading those bong-civs.

>>157260635
The pain wizard start is incredibly rough.

Zealots are a shit unit wi8th low stats all around.

>>157260635
Love them. Pillars are fucking brutal Mid-Late game. Especially with custom faction versions.

>>157261716
There's a Terra-like map generation in civ5 for that.
Since vanilla.

One large continent everyone starts on, and then a "new world" continent.


Pangea could sometimes spawn with another small continent as well. Or very big island.

>start game on archipelago as England
>game gives me over 25% of the world's iron on my home island to boot
I've been wanting an easy game for awhile so thanks, game.

>>157261716
>start on big island
>immune to wars until mid-game because noone can invade
>win by default because you can just expand and not build military units until mid-game

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>400 turns
>the only thing that happened was Aztecs declaring war on me once
>it was over in 10 turns because they didnt bring enough troops to defeat an unoccupied city
>won by spamming money at city-states and using delegates
I dont think this game is very well made

>>157260469
They have their affinity, which is a bit of a mixed bag, and +1 dust on dust, and some bad starting techs. That's it. They've got like 35 unspent points.
Compare them to any other faction. They're good because the traits they have are good, techs aside, but still underpowered.

All that people crying about women as leaders: what the hell is wrong with you? I mean, i am a man too, but i do not see any reason to cry like a little Donald Trump only because there some female historical leaders of some countrys in a game in which i could also choose the male if i wanted to.

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What is your favorite 4X space games?

The list doesnt include shit like Star Drive and the new Master of
Orion

http://www.strawpoll.me/11417776

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>>157263283
>ES2
Way too fucking early. And if they don't fix the combat then it goes to trash tier while ES1 remains in fun tier.

>>157262435

How do you take pictures of civ 5?

I really enjoyed Endless Legend and the unit customization is fucking nito but I just want a way to customize units outside of a game. Is this ever addressed or am I filthy casual?

>>157263194
it's because the SJWs use this to push their agenda, and to re-write history to suit their beliefs.

I really like the concenpt of two leaders per Civ.
I don't actually give a fuck who they use as leader as long as it's no completely retarded, you just have to note that shit like the SJW agenda is around.

>>157263283
I feel like Stellaris just nailed the UI and functionality of everything. It feels like a pleasure to play unlike most 4X which is more often than not tedious. Which is surprising coming from Paradox who have a history of games with shitty as fuck UIs.

Plus I think it has one of the best diplomacy systems out there already for a strat game. I actually give a fuck about who is my ally and enemy and spend a lot of time weighting up the cost/benefit of supporting one race over another. Makes it feel more personal as well since all the factions are RNG and its not predictable races who always play the same way.

And the research system is literally the best of all 4X games

>>157263560
press f12, saves to steam folder

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>>157263560
F12 you dingus.
Also,
>CBP letting me get Cultural Victory with 56 Tourism in 1892
Good balancing.

>>157263780
>Paradox who have a history of games with shitty as fuck UIs.
Not really any more, CK2 was the beginning of a new era in that regard.

>bonuses from being suzerain of city states
>small bonus from killing things
I wonder which leader is better?
Gorgo because of that shake at the start holy h*ck muh dic

>want to play endless legend
>read manual
>seems complicated

I'm getting dumber.

>>157263920
CK2 is still clunky in areas, sometimes navigating into certain menus can be a bitch. HoI4 has done a pretty good job though at making it clear, although thats probably because it has no content.

>>157264035
It's the same shit just renamed.

>>157264024
But anon, you'll never see the shake if you play her.

>>157262435
The problem is that the AI can't into naval warfare, and you were isolated which means no one could get to you.

Diplomacy also isn't a real victory.

>>157263560
It takes some practice but you have to balance the camera just right.
If you have a smartphone it's easier since it's so light.

>>157264336
The problem is that the AI can't into anything.

>>157264336
I could have won with any victory just because of that landmass

Honestly all the victories are bad. Rushing science is far too important and powerful in Civ. And its really really easy to do as well, if you get the first two science wonders you win the science race and there is nothing that can stop you from that point.

>>157262435
>playing America
>not liberating the world

What exactly does district level do in endless legend?
I know wonders and things benefit from it, but what does it do to just boroughs and city centers? Why should I not just make long snek cities to all the anomalies?

>>157265230
Take a look at what it says on districts.

>>157263194

This is gr8 b8 but it should be insulting to you when some literally who female gets to be a leader just because she was a female. Nobody complains when Elizabeth or Victoria lead England, because they were iconic and influential rulers. But take Jadwiga of Poland, who is probably coming in a DLC if the leaked ruler chart can be trusted. Her claim to fame is marrying a pagan Lithuanian duke at 14 and then dying at 25. She did nothing noteworthy beyond having royal blood. It's like having William Henry Harrison lead the US despite dying a month into his first term.

>>157264795
It's not Americas job to slay monsters.

>>157265424
"surround this with 4 other districts to make a level 2 district"
literally that

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>all these people complaining about civ ai
>meanwhile I'm playing on normal and it feels like a good challenge
>having fun

Being shit feels good.

>>157265534
Do you not see what it says on levels?

>>157265576
I hope you get better at the game so you can't enjoy yourself like the rest of us.

So, is it going to be male and female for every civilization? Then I can only think what the second leader will be for usa lol

>>157265576

>Normal
>Good challenge

Just finished a game in immortal with be being rank 1st in all fields except approval by 1901 through domination. How about you actually get good? Point of the game is to pay for Ai to fight each other, while you armed the other side like a good jew. Kill the other religion early on and surprise war your nearest neighbors as soon as they step in your zone of control.

>>157263194
>leftie cuck: the post
Hope bankrupt4bernie went well for you.

>>157266068

>Then I can only think what the second leader will be for usa

The spook they're putting on their five dollar bill or something.

>>157266068
The only precedent is Civ 2, which had a male and female leader for every civ (even if the female had to be more mythical than Dido).

America's was Eleanor Roosevelt.

They could always do Edith Wilson, since she acted as de facto President during Woodrow's second term after his stroke.

>>157260469
My first victory on endless was as the cultists because they're so easy. Iunno.

I didn't spawn next to the phages, though, and that means absolutely everything.

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I really want my first game on Civ VI to try out the Religious Victory mechanic

With the dual leaders introduced back, should I go with Wewu, or Zkangz? Both had their own powers, but I dont know which one to choose

>>157264747
Everyone calls the game bad right until they spawn next to an insufferable warmonger and can't afford to bribe him.

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>>157266098
>leftie cuck: the post
Women existed. They did things. Very important things. They ruled. How many male rulers, do you think, were secretly basically being puppet ruled through their wives, mothers or female relatives? History has shown this happens a lot more than people think they do to be honest. Wu Zeitan basically ruled through her son for years. When she was Empress Dowager, it was just a name. She was, for all intents and purposes, Empress Regent. This happens quite a bit in history. How often do you think this happened and history simple doesn't know? Now, you KNOW that Gorgo had real power and actually ruled beside her husband and it's "feminist bullshit"? This isn't even feminist. This is just giving history it's due nod.

Men had more power, yes, but that also meant they overlooked women as much as possible because they should have been seen not heard. The sad part is a lot of people today still agree with them. What I find interesting is that hardly anyone is complaining about Gilgamesh. They literally said they don't know if he was even REAL. Why is no one complaining about him?

>>157252394
>>157252719
the video made it sound like there's probably another civ with that, most likely Brazil or Spain

>>157266828
>Brazil
Funny.

>>157266518
Japan had Ameterasu, and Persia Scheherezade.

Civ 2 leaders were barely a thing though.

You picked a nation, then you had a text box you could edit under leader name.
If you changed gender the suggested name changed.

Civs didn't have any abilities back then either.
They were all the same.

>>157266914
Isabella one could either be Spanish or Brazilian

>intend on vassalizing Spain
>take all but one of their shittiest cities
>weaken the city just to scare them
>one of my City-States swoops in and conquers Spain
Woops.

>>157266802
>What I find interesting is that hardly anyone is complaining about Gilgamesh.
The threads DID bring up this subject, you would kniw it if you've actually read the thread instead of spewing marxist propaganda.

>>157267091
Wait, what does women in history have to do with Marx?

>>157267091

Gilgamesh was my favorite in Civ 4, you get the hell away from him you hear me whore?

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>>157266926
They had some minor window dressing when you met their envoys, but yeah, they're barely anybody.

>>157266802
Most historians agree that Gilgamesh ruled Uruk now, from contemporary records of other rulers we're more certain existed. We don't really have any idea what he was like (the Gilgamesh of the epic is, to be charitable, likely an exaggeration of the man)