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DING DONG

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y knight b maid tho?

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3Rd for BIRD

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>>157167017
Because its cute

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>>157165852
>>157165845

>>157166729
Has the guide/faq thing ever been updated? is there really nothing in need of change?

>>157167619
jesus christ

>>157167665
Probably. I am on mobile so i wasnt fucking with it right now.

Sorry

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>>157166729
We're lazy buggers

Some of the RoB family

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my heart

PLs let me win: 91713

>>157167619
Yeah, can we not do this, please?

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>>157167619

>>157167619

>guro.

Enjoy your ban anon

Are all the Odins gone? Can I play Seraph now

>>157167982
Yeah, but good luck with the sword, blood and stormhaven pressure

>>157167836
Thanks anon-kyun

Can someone help me with private match mission please?

10077

Doesn't matter if you want to play it out or concede, thanks familia.

>>157168089
Unica will protect me

>>157168167
Thanks Hyz

What i should do with bloodcraft?

I mean what is the deal of this class?

Is just like Warlock but trying to win the less hp?

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>>157168164
>>157168398
Your welcome

>>157168585
Control or bat aggro.

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>Always getting cockblocked at 4-1

>>157167619
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=58534440

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>>157168754
>Always getting cockblocked at 4-1
>The 1 loss is always really close

>>157167619
>gushes out like a geyser

the least they could've done is give us a panty shot.

Friendly reminder to BM the shit out of every faggot playing Elana Haven when you have lethal.
Have a great day, anons! Except the ones who play Elana.

>>157171363
>being this petty
Most people probably have emoted off anyway

To the anon that keeps crashing:

TURN OFF DAMAGE ESTIMATES

>>157171363
>Complaining about one the most fair tier 1 deck
I don't understand why people bitch about Elana Haven when Storm Haven exists.

Is there some semi effective memedeck with Harnessed Flame/Glass?

>>157171864
No. They're meme cards for a reason.

>>157171864
Just stick them in a DShift list

>>157171863
I wish Storm Bishop shitters would die painfully.

>>157171863
>>157172115
Once midrange sword comes back in popularity it will.

>>157171613
Nope, still crashing.

>>157172287
Have you enabled virtualization in your bios?

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Help please. This is so bad, it hurts.

>>157172430
Not using a emu for this.

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>dragon doesn't even have any tier 2 decks anymore
>fortefags on suicide watch

so do you guys just do dailies and call it a day? im talking in terms of your average playtime.

>>157173001
Don't worry, I'm working on a discard dragon deck that'll rock your socks off. It'll be instant tier 0.

>>157172935
iOS10 device then? They are known to have problems.

>>157173028
mostly yeah, sometimes i stick around and play some ranked because i actually enjoy the game unlike hearthstone but im not really gunning to get out of B3 because i like my score winstreaks and meme deck opponents so i usually concede to drop back down.

>>157173123
Android

>>157173028
Pretty much dailies and take 2 when i score a ticket

>>157172851
right

Can someone give me a private?
77572

>go 5-0 with Bloodcraft
>can never get more than 3 wins with Dragoncraft
Isn't Dragoncraft supposed to be top tier or something? I can never get a consistent draft; I keep being handed shit like Leviathan that doesn't do anything before turn 7.

>>157172851
Booty blaster

>>157173925
Most of your cards have an insane effect on overflow, so just draft low enough to last til 7 then outvalue your opponent. The 3 mana with 2 damage fanfare and siegfried are good cards to pick up.

>>157173028
Basically. I try to get dailies done via Take Two if I can manage it, because my collection is still tiny and I ranked up too fast in the beginning, so Ranked is kinda frustrating right now.

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>>157166729

>>157173028
I do my dailies and then take my money and gamble it on take two.

32484 need2win unfortunately plz help

>>157173653
thanks ginno

>just went 5/5 in arena twice in a row

why do people keep saying arena is hard again?

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>>157174457
tysm friendo who helped me!

>>157173001
>caring about tier lists this badly
I play 90% dragon in ranked and I'm climbing steadily with a high winrate whilst having fun when I beat stupid meta decks. And my deck isn't even overtuned.

>>157174654
Np

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>>157174683
My negro.
It's pointless trying to talk sense into netdecking meta faggots who no longer know what fun is.

>>157174683

I'm sure low ranks are fun

>>157174916
What's your rank if you're going to be talking like that?

>>157174985

A2. But I'm not a dragon main and I barely see them.

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>play stormhaven
>like it because there are a lot of cool ways to play around certain enemy evolves/removal with the countdown amulets
>been building it since before de but everyone probably thinks i am a metashitter

It hurts

Why did they rewrite Luna's character so hard (and badly) in the English version? Literally two different people.

My allies.
My friends.

>>157175194
Also A2 here
A2 players are retarded
it's not exactly a high rank
at least wait until AA0 before you start thinking you're hot shit, geez

>>157175598
The west can't into creepy lolis, so they made her a crazy brat instead.

>>157175598
Can you go into more detail? I'm curious what's so different. I just hate how her english voice doesn't match her character at all and sounds way too old.

>>157175741
both are shit so seems accurate

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>>157166882
Would you let her ding your dong?

>that deck that is really sub-optimal, but you enjoy playing it anyway.

What's her name /svg/?

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>>157175831
She's timid, lonely and sane in JP. They made her completely batshit and a bitch in English. Also her English voice is the worst of all the heroes.

>>157175837
Don't be a faggot.

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Meme vs Meme

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>Fight 90% Haven in ranked
Make it stop

>>157174683

post deck

>>157176212
I played one of you banner memers on ladder earlier. They got completely blown out and decided to rope me on the turn before they died. Stay classy.

>>157176328
I'd rather face Haven than DShift Rune. At least Haven interacts with the board. Also, if Seraph gets too popular, just pop some Odins into your deck and watch them cry.

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>>157175945

>>157176403
>At least Haven interacts with the board. Also, if Seraph gets too popular, just pop some Odins into your deck and watch them cry.
>Implying
Please anon, the cancer isn't seraph. it's fucking Storm Haven which barely interacts with you at all

>>157176403
I wish some class got a cheap way to banish amulets. Preferably Blood or Shadow.

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>>157175880
ding dong is pure

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what he really wants is a friend.

>>157176403
The only thing Storm Haven interacts with is your face.

>>157176769
I like urias because he's like a manlier version of SotN's Alucard

rate my deck
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>>157177612
is there any deck in the game this doesn't lose to/10

also, are you playing it in ranked? I played against it earlier

>>157177736
I play many memes in A ranks

Last pick. Only have one heal. I guess right?

>>157177908
Yeah, right sounds good

>>157177612
Run two Satans. Even with triple Dragon Emissary you won't draw one in the top half of your deck about half the time, since those are more likely to hit Wyvern Callers.

In pure Satan lists Ivory Dragon is a liability for half the game and it's upside isn't even that good, you can drop some of those. I'd grab two Dragonewt Fists and another Siegfried.

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>>157177908
Forgot pic.

Reminder to slow roll and BM every Storm Haven player to deny them their fast games.

>>157178117
go back to hsg pls

>>157177612
Cut the Grim Reapers for the 3/7 taunts for 5 pp probably.

>>157178086
Obviously right. Elana's Prayer is a brick in Arena and Satan wins the games that stall out (pretty common in Arena) by himself.

>>157178020
I'll try that

>>157178209
The point is to only have satan and cavaliers above 4pp tho

>>157178209
He doesn't want to run anything that's 5+ PP other than Satan and Wyvern Caller so Dragon Emissary will always grab them, that's the whole point of the deck.

Problem is, Dragon doesn't have the cards right now to make it work, half of their good cards are at 5+.

>>157176524
I dunno, I'm sure they interact with your face quite frequently.

>>157177612
B1 chipping in. Pay no mind if you want.
Does Dragon Roost work in that? Too risky?

>>157178847

>>157178348
>>157178396

>>157178847
Phoenix Roost? That card will only be good when OTK Dragon exists. Right now it's way more likely to give your opponent a way to kill you the very next turn than actually help you. Satan decks win slowly, even if you speed it out on turn 7.

>>157179057
So adding even 1 Roost will ruin the objective?
Shit, thought it would be funny to Satan before T6

>>157179197
Curious, what type of deck would benefit most from Roost, most of them?.

Dragon needs more cards to

Since SV is made my Magic players and obviously takes as much inspiration from that game as any, do you think we'll ever get hand disruption? It would make sense in Shadow and would give them a better control plan (unless you count PtP memes).

>finally pull my third Queen Vampire
>its animated
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>157179382
The biggest problem with phoenix roost is that you can actually do anything effective with it right away whereas your opponent gets a full turn of half cost cards and takes advantage of it first. It's a huge gamble to hope they don't have any of their bigger cards.

>>157179416
If combo stays cancer for too long maybe. I always wondered why HS didn't have a Thoughtsieze effect, then I remembered Blizzard hate interaction and anything that would be seen as "anti-fun".

If they ever print one it'd be neutral and cost a lot.

>>157179416
it'd kinda ruin the entire point of Rune, so I doubt it.

>>157179382
*Dragon needs more cards to reduce card costs. Maybe then OTK Dragon will exist. I guess? But that's too much to ask.

>>157179905
Rune is one of the whole reasons hand disruption should exist. It would make Dimension Shift a more fair card.

Earth rites shit like Remi and Rami are fine, too.

>>157179905
That's the point.

I miss the PtP meta

>>157180061
>Earth rites shit like Remi and Rami are fine, too.

I meant as Rune's identity. Spellboost would be more interesting if there was a way to interact with it, that incentives you to actually play the fucking cards.

>>157180061

Then it needs to be something softer than outright discard.

>>157180542

Shuffle back into deck?

>>157180542
Why? Discard helps keep combo in check, something this game needs as more cards come out and more degenerate, uninteractive combos start to exist.

Combo decks still exist in MtG despite there being both hand disruption AND permission/instant speed removal.

>>157180737

>AND permission/instant speed removal.

Since you can use those to defend your shit as well, it is the big difference.

There's a different kind of disruption you might have not considered. Filling their board.

Something like:
6 mana
Fill the empty slots of the enemy board with CHUMP


CHUMP
Amulet
Countdown (2)
Last Words:

If you made it 1 then it would just disappear as their turn started. It can't be allowed to be a card for forest or rune, though.

We really need cheap, maindeckable amulet banishing now that Beastcaller Arisa exists

>>157180737
>keep combo in check, something this game needs
because sprint haven and midrange forest meta is SO MUCH BETTER, right

>>157180737

Because you can use permission to protect yourself from card destruction. Combo decks are chok full of it.

>Over 3 hours to win 7 matches at B2 for dailies because it's exclusively Storm Haven/Elana Haven
Alright, I'm done. This is where I quit.
Enjoy your shit game guys, hopefully you can find more enjoyment out of it than I did.

>next swordcraft level reward is at level 100
>it's a title
At least it's a good one.

>>157180937
>>157181128
Dedicated control typically has more permission than a combo deck. The combo decks need to run all their pieces as well as tutors/cycle/card selection.

Also, that permission and disruption war is fun, it gives an extra layer to MtG that HS-type games are sorely missing.

>>157181232
Yeah I'm basically giving up at ranked. I was so close to AA0 too, but I literally cannot take the Haven anymore. Every 4/5 matches is Haven, and 3/4 of those Haven matches are Sprint Haven which is basically the least fun deck to play against in the entire game. Fuck this shit. I really hope they dole out nerfs soon.

>>157181232
Baner Swordmeme is the solution against Elana.

8 mana
Follower
3/6
All spells cost (2) more to cast.

>>157181809
What's the solution to Storm Haven? Praying they don't draw well enough?

>>157182159
>I got wrecked by Dim Shift and I'm salty

>>157181232
They're two different decks that get countered by different things. Amulet removal or dedicated control dumpsters Elana. Wards help a lot against storm, same deal as with old storm dragon and roach forest, DING DONG is best girl.

>>157182297
>tech against one, get dumpstered by the other
Wow, ranked sure is fun

>>157182223
Midrange Sword has been working well. I'd be surprised if Banner didn't beat it too

>>157182297
>Ward helps a lot against storm
That would be true if they just played storm minions. But they don't. They play the amulets.
This means the turn their amulets pop they have all their mana. Which means they just kill your wards and still hit you in the face.
I'm so glad the Storm Haven deck gets to use Priest of the Cudgel too. It's very enjoyable them curving Beastcall into The Eagle into Priest when they both pop on the same turn

>>157182267
I'm trying to think of disruption that isn't discard because it would ruin rune.

I was an aggro sword and usually run down rune before they get it up.

>>157182512
Creature based discard. That way you can't destroy all Rune's spells but you can get the flame destroyers and merlins you can also get rid of a lot of problematic cards in other decks like Garudas, Roaches, Otohime/Commander, 4-drop evolves etc.

>>157182512
Just make it expensive. If the discard costs 4 mana then it's a major tempo loss. It would only hose degenerate combo decks with no plan B.

>had a blast going through the arena using all the tickets
>finally out
>considering spending gold for it
>remember how the arena is

I have such mixed feelings about it. On one hand it is way more fun than HS arena and Shadowverse mechanically functions in Arena a lot better than HS does, but it also has some annoying elements to it.

I enjoy Arena in this as a means of learning about more cards, gaining benefits, and for leveling up the classes without playing terrible unoptimized decks.

So part of me always wants to pick a lot of the classes I have low level, but then I remember how Arena is just Swordcraft and Shadowcraft.

>play as or against sword
>sword user always gets Turn 1
>always puts down a 1 mana cost minion because there are plenty of actually decent 1 mana costs for them to draft
>always has turn 2 and 3 all good statlines
>every turn adds a new minion while buffing what's on the board
>amazing deck cycle built into minions so they always have really mana efficient plays on curve

It's insane. Any time I draft Sword I either go 5-0 or 4-1. It plays itself in Arena and you are guaranteed some of its absolute best Arena cards because they are low in rarity. Cards like Avant Blader, Fencer, Sage Commander, all the minion summon cards, etc... You just have such strong options. It's like a Hearthstone player's dream.

And then there's Shadowcraft.

>go up against opponent using shadow
>they always have at least one cerberus and lord of flies somehow
>overwhelm the board early
>get benefits from minions dying
>turn 4 power spike with IM CUMMING FOR YOU

I've had success with other classes for sure, but when I'm just using tickets I can afford to go for things less optimal. As someone F2P I feel like if I were to keep doing Arena I would basically have to use these two classes every time.

It doesn't help that the threshhold to get decent rewards from Arena is really strict

Help me win private match!
43736.

Fuck, I just forgot that Seadragon doesn't get storm off urd.

>>157171363
>complaining about people using tier 1 in any competitive game ever

How does this cycle seriously never end? Balance patch hits -> something becomes one of the strongest -> all of a sudden everyone hates it -> it's a witchhunt for anyone who uses it

Every time.

>Rune plays 2 DShifts
>achieves fuckall with them
Remember kids, if you drop a shift don't do it when you don't have anything to play.

Havencraft in Arena is such a high risk high reward call. If you get good draft options you can make a really fun deck that completely dominates your opponents, but if your options are shit in the draft you are completely fucked.

I had a draft that kept offering me cards to reduce countdowns (even Garuda), but offered maybe a handful of amulets and only two of them were even playable.

>Bloodcraft bat kills me turn 4

I thought this game didn't have aggro cancer?

>>157175598
One is just a lame moeblob, but the US version is an absolute masterpiece written character

>deep
>interesting
>conflicted by reality and imagination
>tragic figure
>yet not truly sympathetic

It's the difference between Shakespeare and the guy who wrote Bleach. This is the power of localization.

>>157183525
>implying either of them are deep or interesting

>>157183390

They can be deadly if they have a perfect draw. Tech in some angelic barrages, it will also help you with all the forest fags around.

>>157176769
It was cliche, but I surprisingly liked Urias' story. The English VA for him did a good job and he's more sympathetic of a character than I expected.

>>157183390
It's a very rare occurrence. Requires huge luck on their end and bad luck on yours.

>>157181123
Jesus Christ you guys will bitch about any deck that's good why not think of ways to bring other decks up instead of hammering everything down till they all suck

>>157179416
Depends on how they want the game to develop.

Things like forced discard and removing from play are nice additions to games like YGO, but solely lacking in games like Hearthstone. It really kills a lot of the way a game plays and it makes the concept of combos in say HS really stupid and also really limited on the classes that can do it.

Since you can have three of any card in SV, I think it is more plausible for it to introduce it as a mechanic. I can see why this and HS do it, but not being able to actually interact with the opponent can make games so underwhelming. It makes comebacks way more difficult too.

>>157181809
Mind posting a basic Banner or Control sword decklist? That's the class I've got the most cards for it seems

>>157182385
Welcome to every card game ever? This is why a lot of tournaments have you bring multiple decks.

The game would have to be really shitty for you to be able to just bring a single deck and do well against all other major deck archetypes.

Jesus, fuck Control Sword, fucker dropped 2 Olivias on my ass.

>>157182267
Rune is a stupid dumb class. Earthrite is just an (kinda) inferior version of control Haven while Spellboost is just solitaire with no interaction whatsoever.

It's just as dumb as Bird Haven, but for different reasons.

Neutral ammulet with "Fanfare: Reveal your opponent's hand and remove a card. Last Words: Return it to your opponent's hand"

With or without countdown depending on how powerful you want it to be.

Y/N?

>>157182385
>I want to have a deck that autowins against every other deck in the game

You're fucking retarded m8.

>>157184016
Because if everything's broken it's basically just a coinflip who wins.
Let's look at a deck like Storm Haven, for instance. This deck is a completely uninteractive piece of shit unless you're Runecraft due to the combination of countdown amulets, storm, and Haven's powerful removal options. Playing against this deck just feels like a fucking coinflip: did they draw well enough to run over you or not. It doesn't really matter what you do, the best you can do is try and kill their minions and not die. If every deck were at its power level, it'd basically just be a battle of who drew better and not much else. Fucking hell you can't even tech against the deck.

>>157182880
Could also make it an evolve ability.

>>157184183
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.2.5-Hb2.5-Hb2.5-Hb2.5-HbC.5-HbC.5-HbC.625kC.625kC.625kC.625kg.625kg.625kg.625lc.625lc.625lc.628AI.628AI.628vA.628vA.628vA.5-HbM.5-HbM.5-HbM.625lI.625lI.625lI.628BE.61LeE.61LeE.5-K1I.5-K1I.5-K1I.5-KGw.5-KGw.5-KGw.62D36.62D36.62BLa.62BLa.62BLa

This is for banner. Not sure how outdated it is, but it should be fine.

It's fascinating how such a retarded deck has such an easy fix.
Amulet followers with Storm only get Rush.

>>157182385
You're not meant to win 100% of your games. The overall goal for any competitive game is to have a 50% winrate as that implies balance.

>>157184530
>uninteractive
Stop using this 'word', you don't know what it means.

Storm haven isn't too bad since you can SEE what he's going to have the field on the field. You can then threaten board trades or set up wards or do whatever in response.

This is a far cry from spellboost which is just PURE uninteractivity. The game is literally decided by how he draws/mulligans and you can't do anything about it.

Is there some sort of dev tracker for their forums? Or do they never post things

>>157184995
You can't really though because the storm haven player gets all their mana to do shit with when their amulets break unless they use cards to reduce countdown. So you can throw down wards in theory but in reality they'll just kill whatever you play and then storm your face regardless.

Does anyone know how to rotate the screen in Leapdroid? There's a setting for it but I haven't found a button/hotkey for it. I've googled around and I found people asking for the feature in a few places, but everyone ignores the part where they say how to actually do it.

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>>157184771
Yeah, looks pretty outdated.
Pic related is what I'd say is a skeleton for banner.

>>157185164
>but in reality they'll just kill whatever you play
That's only in an ideal situation where they happen to have an answer to all of your wards.

Listen, I know you really hate Storm Haven and take it up the ass by them, but it's not nearly as bad as Rune when it comes to interactivity. It's not even considered the strongest deck right now.

>>157184183
This is probably the cheapest Control Sword you could go with that's still competitive:

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This is the version I use but there's a lot of choices that are personal preference that consequently make the deck way more expensive.

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>>157185339
>That's only in an ideal situation where they happen to have an answer to all of your wards.
Which is every single time because of evolve, and after the evolve fiesta's over they've practically won already anyway.
That's not even getting into the ridiculous bullshit tempo swings they can get with Heavenly Hounds and evolves too.

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>>157185571
>Which is every single time
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this shitpost. If Haven had perfect counters to everything as you said, it would be undisputed T1. As it stands though, it's ranked lower than both Rune and Forest atm.

>>157184530
>fun and interactive

I'm so sick of people saying these things. There are no trap cards, there are no mechanics you can do on your opponent's turn. The game isn't interactive to begin with.

And no shit it's hard to stop them from doing what they are doing. That's because it is effective. Any time an aggro deck is strong, it is strong because it overwhelms you while you are spending all your resources trying to clear board. This also isn't "interactive" because the opponent is playing to their strengths.

I don't get why people like you play Shadowverse or Hearthstone. Just play Arena if all you want is two players mindlessly trading with each other until one runs out of a good on curve drop and gets overwhelmed.

>>157185164
So you mean they are interacting with you via removing your minions?

Then what's the problem?

>>157185895
>Defending uninteractivity
Why even play the game in the first place then? Might as well just flip a coin all day

>>157185895
Without Storm or Dimension Shift the game would be completely interactive. Rush is what Storm should have been to begin with.

>>157186015
You tell me. I'm not the one with a problem with the game I'm actively posting in a thread about.

>>157186107
If you slow the game down too much you have to remove or nerf Satan. That card severely limits late game control design space.

>>157186012
They're interacting with you but you can never interact with them until after the damage is done.
Really all they need to do is make better ways to deal with amulets and the deck is fine. As is it's just stupid. All you can do is drop stuff and pray they don't have the answers, even when you have your best cards in hand, which isn't very good design.
For the record obviously it's not the best deck in the game, I'm just using it as an example of bad design.
>>157186139
You're a fucking retard. Obviously I like the game, but that doesn't mean it's perfect as-is and there are ways they could make it better.

>>157185295
I'd put in 3 Assassin's if you can just because it's so useful any time you need to kill something for low cost and because it has Storm with the banner out. Avant Blader should be put in too because her stats are alright and is actually a decent draw source when you need it near the end.

>>157186107
The only class that's problematic with storm is Haven. Please don't fuck every other class up just because of this.

>>157186421
Dragon's storm cards are also obnoxious, particularly Forte.

>>157186107
There's nothing wrong with Storm. Having both Storm and Rush is one of the many things that makes SV more interesting than HS. They both have their benefits to them.

Removing storm makes it much harder for aggressive decks to survive in a lot of cases. It gives too much time for control decks to answer what they put on the board before it does something.

>all you can do is drop stuff and pray they don't have the answers, even when you have your best cards in hand

every card game ever. Maybe you should just play YGO and do some OTK nonsense.

>>157185895
Reminder that a lot of the people here are /hsg/ rejects who hated HS and thinks card games should be about trading for board control and think aggro/face classes to be bad design.

I just wanted to say
I love you, /svg/

>>157186486
They can be, but it's already delving into overflow territory at that rate. If you don't have control vs dragon by that time, then you've probably lost anyway from all of their other fatties. Forte is not a guaranteed loss when you see her played, and she's easily removed.

>>157186254
I tried to keep it as cheap as possible, and Avant is not there in case people want to run low commander deck with maids.

>>157186486
Dragon doesn't end games on turn 4.

>>157186606
I understand that, which is why Arena exists. It exists for people like that who can't handle the idea of a constructed deck playing at its best. They need a mode that forces both players to just trade with each other until one is exhausted of their resources.

>>157186421
>The only class that's problematic with storm is Haven.
Ask me how I know you're a Dragon main.

If storm Haven gets nerfed, you can bet your ass Dragon gets nerfed too. There should be no reason why that class can drop 12 damage burst on you at turn 8. Literally the only thing keep Dragon Cancer in check right now are classes that are slightly faster than it and Rune cancer.

>>157186524
Having big Storm minions is a problem.

The cards have to be balanced as a burn spell that forces your opponent to spend mana and discard a removal spell/kill one of their own creatures, because that's what they are in a lot of cases.

I hope you people never design cards, Jesus Christ.

>>157186758
>There should be no reason why that class can drop 12 damage burst on you at turn 8.
How the hell can they possibly do that with 8 mana with nothing else on board? I must be missing something here.

>>157187006
Forte+Urd+evolving Forte the second time, I'm guessing.

>>157186524
It's not every card game.
The difference is thusly:
In HS and SV, there are decks you just can't do jack shit about. I was putting Storm Haven under the but but really the most obvious is DShift. It's because you just literally can't interact with them at all: it basically doesn't matter what you do, the only thing that matters is your opponent doesn't draw well enough. And yeah, it's a card game. There's always an element of that. But with DShift you have no answers so literally the only way you can win is by them not getting the combo fast enough.
In games like Magic, every card has an answer. Be it instant speed removal, counterspells, whatever. Every win condition has actual answers, so even if your opponent gets the nut draw it's still very possible for you to win by answering what they're doing.
We want more of the the Magic side of things and less of the Hearthstone side of things. It's not even about minion based combat like some people are saying, I'm a combo player at heart. I find midrange to be boring as hell. It's just about actually having cards that can counter what your opponent is doing so the game has more elements of, well, a competition between two players rather than both players playing their own card game and the winner is whoever gets there first

>>157187006
>Emissary, Cavalier, and Ramp

Storm Dragon burst is more cancerous because he does a fat 12 damage from hand. At least Storm Haven is telegraphed.

>>157187006
Ramp once, Forte + Urd then evolve Forte. Keep in mind they also have a board now, the 12 burst damage didn't cost them anything.

I think hand destruction stuff should be printed to make DShift less solitaire but DShift should be printed stronger tools to deal with hand destruction. Ideally it wouldn't affect the winrate of DShift significantly but make it less boring to play against.

>>157187147
>Forte costs 6
>Urd costs 4

Unless Forte magically survived T7 or Cavalier was played the turn before I don't see how else you can do this T8.

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Guys, I need help. I'm leaning over left but that midnight haunt is trash in arena.

>>157187176
I just don't see how Rune as a whole could function when things like card destruction in the game.

Maybe having you remove cards from play for one or two turns would be better. Things like "remove one of the opponent's cards in their hand from play for two turns."

>>157187370
Go right. It'll serve you better than Cerberus in the long run.

>>157187367
Ramp. I wasn't the guy who said T8, but Storm Dragon runs 3x Dragon Oracle, 3x Aiela and 3x Urd, just one Aiela + Urd combo gives you 10 pp on turn 8.

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>>157187367
Ramp, nigga.

>>157187370
phantom howl is the best proc-er of spirit cycle since you get 1 more countdown for each ghost. card draw is hella good.

>>157187407
>Things like "remove one of the opponent's cards in their hand from play for two turns."
Does this reset spellboost or not
If not then why not just make it can't be played for two turns, we even have the chains from imprisoned dragon etc

>>157187367

Its almost like dragon has the means to gain extra pps.

>>157176731
>>157166882
>>157175880
Why is ding dong girl a meme?

>>157187407
as an example, you could add hand destruction while simultaneously adding more powerful spellboosting options.

Now the DShift combo can go off faster but you can also disrupt it. Then you could add things like Rise of the Dead but for spells to put DShift back in your hand after it's been destroyed, so if the combo gets axed quickly you can put it back in your hand and use the faster spellboost to lower it down quickly for anothet attempt.

That's just one example, there's plenty of ways you could do it.

Thinking about crafting adimension Shift Rune here. Which AoE is better, Fire Chain, Calamitous Curse, or a mix?

>>157187789

Because she is C U T E

>>157187789

She is cute and useful. Though I am seeing the meme in Unica more.

>>157187748
I think a Loatheb effect would be best honestly.
Not only would it be good against spellboost, it would also be good against basically every deck, and it would be skillful since it would require you to know when the best time to actually use the effect is.

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>>157188039
cute

Vania is my favorite, though.

Discard might be too strong. Shuffle back into deck or lock a card for X turns seem like the most healthy options.

>>157188039
DELETE THIS

>>157187995
Unica is a ward with benefits so yeah.

>>157188039
>side tie two piece bikini

What a lewd little girl.

>>157186731
The problem with arena is that its matchmaking is always fundamentally broken
If you want both players to just trade with each other until one is exhausted of their resources, and you want both players to be playing at their best, you're not going to get that in arena. After a certain level you're just going to end up stomping people worse at the game than you are. It's perfectly fair for people who prefer a more slog based game to want their preferences catered to with more than the throwaway mode of arena
Not sure why they'd hope shadowverse can provide that given how relentless of a clock most decks of any class (not just rune) put you on, but I won't fault them for dreaming

>>157188059
Hopefully they'd make its stats less efficient in comparison to the one in HS then as I imagine every single deck would run three of them if it was at least okay stat wise

is there any script changes in 1.3.1 that would make the undub compatibile

The main problem with Storm is how low life totals are in this game. 20 is the same as MtG, but MtG has ways to interact on your opponent's turn, so you don't have to just sit there and take it.

>>157177612
>>157178348
I was the one planning out a Dragon Satan in the previous thread and I finally made it. Decided on 2x Urd and Cavalier after all instead of 3x because I'm cheapo, here's my version:

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.4.5_394.5_394.5_394.61NLI.61NLI.61NLI.65BUS.65BUS.62sac.62sac.66giC.66giC.5_38w.5_38w.5_38w.62tHw.62tHw.62vkA.62vkA.62vkA.62sZM.62sZM.62sZM.62v0O.62v0O.62v0O.61PnY.61PnY.5_4sI.5_4sI.5_4sI.66j8S.66j8S.66hRE.66hRE.66hRE.62xRs.62xRs.61SE6.61SE6

>>157188550
>20 is the same as MtG
If your opponent gets to send evolves to face you don't even start at 20, you start at 16 or maybe 14, that's how much damage your opponent's hand has to push

>>157187849
Anybody?

>>157188740
Killing yourself is the only option.

>>157188550
If you want to be mtg, then you have to uncap life totals too.

Then, the ladder will be filled with even MORE haven.

>>157183390
The only way a non-control blood deck can win is through extreme luck.

>>157188802
Stay salty Seraph faggot.

>>157188550
Not only that but the combat system favors the defensive player.

>>157183390
>I thought this game didn't have aggro cancer?
it didn't before darkness evolved
then vampy and avant blader happened
this game needs more neutral heal, honestly, that would solve a lot; just tack heal 2 onto angelic barrage or something the way deal 2 went onto dance of death or deal 3 went onto garuda

>>157187849
cursory examination of netdecks suggests you should run 0-2 fire chain and 0 calamitous curse
AoE isn't really where you need to be compared to sprinting toward your dshift turn

>>157189164
>it didn't before darkness evolved
Did you just never fight Aggro Necro or what? Swordcraft was capable of aggro bullshit too. Hell Dragoncraft may have been a ramp deck but all it did was play storm minions and go face so it wasn't really any better. PtP could rush you down and then kill you turn 6-7 with roaches too, which was part of why it was so good.

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>>157189164
Don't hate on Blood Bats and my waifu, she's fine. Most classes have healing, plus there's Unicorn loli and Lucifer.

>>157189164
>aggro decks should never be viable
>let's just completely remove the viability of an entire type of playstyle

It's like I'm really in a Hearthstone thread

>>157187127
>>157187147
>>157187520
>>157187569
>>157187787
>ramp
Okay but that means you should have huge board control early game. And that's IF they even get their ramp early game. There's no way you won't have some ward or more threatening things up by turn 8 unless you got really unlucky with your draws.

Have a private match quest.

37397

It's Take Two since I feel like practicing it.

>>157189545
Aggro is actually a pretty shitty archetype in a game with no sideboards and combat that favors the attacker. There's a reason it's been dominating HS since Naxx with the sole exception of the Patron meta.

>>157189336
>Did you just never fight Aggro Necro or what?
I mained aggro necro. Any class whose curve goes up to 7 (Cursed Soldier) is not an aggro deck, regardless of what people chose to name it. Aggro sword existed, but avant blader seems to be what put it over the top (I say "seems to" as someone who's never played many games of it), and midrange sword is again as its name suggests midrange. While these decks, and dragon decks, and ptp roach lines, *can* end up killing people by turns 6 or 7; that plays, feels, and does math differently from a deck that aims to have your relative draw luck end the game on turns 4-6

>>157189743
Nobody?

I'll take a quick concede if nobody feels like T2 right now.

>>157190030
I'll run one by ya

>>157189164
>it didn't before darkness evolved
This niggah.

Aggro will always be a thing in SV due to the shorter nature of the game. Shit like aggro sword and necro have always been around. Even midrange dragon was played like aggro at heart.

>>157189545
In a direct attack game like Hearthstone or Shadowverse having aggro be too strong is a problem. The game inherently has less interaction as a defender, so making solitaire the optimal way to play makes your game shit.

>>157189629
>Okay but that means you should have huge board control early game.
Not really unless you're forest and just keep flooding the board with bullshit.

And you act like they aren't playing anything but ramp until their turn 8. They have stuff like Aiela, Cavalier, and other garbage minions to stall out. Like I said, Dragon was a solid T1 last pre-DE and the only reason they aren't anymore is because haven and forest cancer happen to be faster. Even then, Dragon is on the brink of being OP.

>>157190086
Thanks for the match.

I had a rather good Forest draft honestly. There was also a Tia in my deck.

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>>157190898
That was possibly the worst rune deck I've ever drafted but it held up well enough to make things fun.

>Want to make Tempo Elf deck
>Missing a Crystalia Tia and am short of 1.7k vials

Man, this sure feels bad

>>157191463
It's too late now.
Gonna be nerfed.

>>157191653
How fast do they nerf to begin with?

Though, on the bright side most of these cards are core in other Forest decks anyway

>>157191653

Speaking of nerfs, how often does this game do that? Is it a wise idea to hoard on cards so I can get full vial bonus if they are to be nerfed?

So, which MtG color is most well known for using up a lot of combos anyway?

I was wondering whats a good comparison with an MtG color for Forest/Elf

>>157191973
They've only nerfed two cards so far, 1 card each time. The current card you get max vials on is Homecoming.

I can craft 1 more gold for blood
Diabolic drain or medusa?

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>Wake up
>No steam release
>No steam news
>No steam nothing

>>157192487

>mainly japanese-oriented game
>want steam release

Why do you want normie to flood in?

>>157192332
Blue and Black. Usually together as partners in crime, especially in older formats.
Forest would probably be Blue-Green considering the focus on tempo, bounces, and the nature/elf/fairy theme.

>>157192650
I dont think they'd be green given their actual lack of ramp mechanics though, on the other hand they cant be called Black either since they arent obviously self-sacrificing or anything compared to Blood

Unless one counts all those fairies you sacrificed as Black

>>157192598
Shit's already censored, not like it matters.

>>157192598
It's already greenlit.

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>>157192742
Ramp is only part of green's identity. Green also play the weenie game just fine, and the whole bounce/tempo/stopping followers from attacking is UG in a nutshell.
Don't forget forest also has some big monsters and lifegain too, which fits into green's but isn't very blue.

>>157192827
What?

You're telling me we're currently getting less lewd loli's?

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>>157193153

I think he meant Isabelle's covered cleavage and something similar. It's odd when cards like Goetia Mage has her cleavage out for everyone to see.

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>>157193153
It's subtle, but since DE, some cards have been getting their less lewd art used like Charon and Dark Conjurer.

Picture is Dark Conjurer's final evolution from RoB.

>>157193275
Isabelle is a hero portrait, so even the normie retards who never get into the game will see her.

Knights
with
folded
irons!

Am I right in assuming that only an idiot does anything, but draft Shadow and Sword in Arena? I'd go so far as to say that 80% of my matches (at least) are up against those two and it feels unwinnable with other classes unless the Shadow/Sword gets the most shit draws possible.

>>157194475
Not really, Haven, Dragon and Blood are pretty viable nowadays too

>arena against haven
>he plays out amulets on curve
>can't even get rid of them to contest for the board

Just how do you suppose to win this?

>>157189810
Control Warrior is Tier 1 in basically every single meta HS has ever had. Warrior and Druid have been top for ages. If not for Shaman, Freeze would have consistently been top too.

When aggro wins, it wins hard. People use it a lot because it's fast and efficient so you can quickly climb with it. HS has always favored control, and by that I mean Warrior.

>>157194578
It's arena. There's nothing you can do about luck.

any translated guides on how to obtain flair/emblems?

>>157194598
>Control
>When its currently Shamanstone now

>>157194598
This is so ridiculously wrong and belongs in another thread.

>>157189906
I disagree about the curve. Shadowverse is a slower game than Hearthstone. An aggressive deck in Shadowverse is probably going to finish out the match a few turns later than aggressive decks in HS. It helps that ward and removal are just much better and more widely used in SV. That and the evolve mechanic usually slows down the aggressor if not puts them at a halt. It's still aggro.

>>157193275
DELETE

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>Almost every match I face is now a mage that just removes my minion until they win via d-shift or a haven that wins via seraph or aggro countdowns that you cannot remove in advance.
>bloods entire mechanic is gone because they will just burst you from 11+ before you can even have a chance to comeback.
>most of your minions that do self damage are understatted under the theory that it is a positive. >So youre just crippled in the early game too

I regret favouriting blood but now I have no choice, im too invested in it to turn back. Such are the woes of orzhov themed decks

>>157194708
>mid range deck
>people use it because it's cheap and easy to climb
>warrior is banned in almost every single match in competitive hearthstone
>warrior is still T1

It doesn't have to be the absolute best deck to still be really strong. Control Warrior has consistently been one of the absolute best decks in the game forever. How people can say the meta is aggro when you have such a powerful control deck being one of the heaviest hitters is hilarious. Same with Malygos Druid and Freeze Mage. All three of those decks are really common right now in competitive play. Meanwhile Zoo keeps getting shat on and Hunter is extremely inconsistent.

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Lets just play with neutral cards only. Without all this broken class cards! Truly fun and interactive.

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>>157195070

>Blood
>not Rakdos

Wut?

>>157194598
Both SV and Hearthstone suffer from the same problem that is aggro.

Your revisionism won't change that.

legit question but why do people play seraph decks, doesnt seem that interesting to play, loses to face almost 100%

>>157195648
It's the same as any other control deck except you don't even have to hit the opponent's face.

>>157195443
Bloodcrafts a mix between Orhzov and Rakdos
>>157195454
Sv suffers more from lack of interactivity rather then aggro.

>don't go face with blood wolf on one turn
>he plays otohime into sage commander and I was 2 damage off lethal on the otohime turn
i'm retarded

>>157194783
>DELETE BREASTS
ftfy

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At what rank are you supposed to sandbag games for better rewards? Also do the rewards reset with the monthly ladder?

>>157196624
There is no monthly ladder but score rewards do reset.

>>157124313
I love how Maaya Sakamoto voiced a bunch of the new cards. Her voice is delicious.

when's pc

>>157193153
They didnt censor many cards. isabelle is just the main focus cuz waifu.

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So I got too much time and made this. Based on the info from here. http://altema.jp/shadowverse/deckaishouo-6292

Note: I took some liberty to fix the matchup a little, since the chart itself is initially wonky.

Just played against a DShift deck for the first time. That was pretty lame desu.

>>157197326
winter 2016.

>>157192598
>wanting the game to die in less than a decade

>>157197810
What the hell does an Olivia Storm even look like? Just the same old deck with Olivia shoved in?

>>157197810
>aggro shadow is almost strictly better in matchups compared to aggro bat

Poor Vampy.

How do i gitgud at control blood?

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.6.63dOW.63dOW.63dOW.63dOg.63dOg.63dOg.67WPs.67WPs.67WPs.5_p-4.5_p-4.5_p-4.61O4K.61O4K.63ilo.63ilo.63ilo.63iH0.63iH0.63iH0.63gZA.63gZA.61NLm.67Yro.67Yro.67Yro.5_pFW.5_pFW.5_pFW.63kio.63kio.63fqw.63fqw.65GMy.65GMy.63i_a.63i_a.63i_a.63iHA.63iHA

This is roughly the list I'm running but struggling pretty hard

>>157197810
>Earth Rite Runecraft's worst match-ups are DShift
Is Spellboost stopping its sister deck from reaching the high tiers? How sad

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So are the AI on Elite suppose to be this bullshit hard to beat? So far I've only managed to beat Forest, Rune and Dragon on Elite with Sword. But the others keep kicking my shit in especially Haven.

>Scrubs think Dragon is bad
It's not bad, you fucking retards. It's just outperformed as the cancer storm deck by a more consistent and safer deck. But, unlike cancer Haven, storm Dragon is ever green, whereas Haven is a Garuda or Beastcall Aria nerf away from becoming balanced, and thus not "good enough" for tier whores.

Storm will always be good in this game, what else will keep D. Shift and PtP style cancer in check?

>>157198670
Keep trying if I could do it with my janky sword nonsense then so can you.

>>157198717
>PtP style cancer in check?
PtP is only as good as it is because it also has access to storm burst you know.

Somebody mind helping me do a private match?

I need to win 1

91078 is the ID, I prefer if it'd be comfy though if you want to test out a deck i can do that since I wanted to try out my Tempo Elf deck

>>157198084
Turns out that 11 Burn turn 6 its pretty good

>>157198670
>Pick Sword
>Put every 4 PP and under card you own in your deck
>Play on curve
Was that so hard?

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>People still play PTP in 2016

Huh?

>>157198782
Or Ancient Elf bouncing another ancient elf forever.

>>157198797

But Shadowcraft can do something similar with Cerb+Phantom Howl

>>157198237
Ditch an Odin for another Goblinmount Demon maybe since Seraph is less popular now.

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>>157198945
It's true, PtP has fallen greatly.
Now it's only the second best deck in the game.

>>157198717
There's no way they'll nerf Aria considering she's like the only 'good' amulet haven has. I see them maybe nerfing Garuda by increasing his PP though.

>>157199204
or just make it so his 3 damage only happens if you have an amulet to proc, him being straight up burn is ridiculous

>>157199204
They could nerf Garuda by changing his fanfare to subtract 2 and deal 2 rather than 3.

>>157199204
>4/4 and 2/1 storm on turn 3 with no card loss is just "good"
Haven amulets don't get to be """"""good""""""" when they're fucking removal immune. You take stats or efficincy hit for being unfuckingremovable by all classes, but 1. No, an 8 PP neutral legendary isn't a fucking """"counter"""" to a turn 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 play. Aria is blatantly overpowered, not just slightly. She's as overtuned as Tia and Cynthia.

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>>157195070
>>157198237
>>157168585
>>157173925
>>157188831
>>157196198
>falling for the blood meme

>>157198945
Masters players still run it regularly. They just sub out homecomings for Tia now.

>>157199384
Aria is fine. There's a reason why before her countdown haven was t4 at best.

>>157198784
Whoever it was who accepted it, thanks!

Man, I messed up hard there, I suppose I need more practice

I just wanna play Dimir and mill my opponent out already please cygames.

>>157198945
PtP is just Forest's Satan now. They just run Altered Fate and PtP in their temp Forest decks for an extra wincon, in case you survive their bullshit overstatted minions and roaches.

>>157199557
I am not even sure what class and deck would be similar to Dimir here

is banner memes the best deck in the game right now?

Private match anyone? 26331

>>157199537
There wasn't much different to be done on your behalf, you needed to draw into your late game power like Tia or Cynthia earlier.

>>157199536
Cards that aren't part of the core set that are auto include in every deck of the class, regardless of play style, forever, aren't "fine". Aria already has the value of being 2 cards in 1, it has no business also being cheaper than playing both cards. The card needs to be 3 PP, it's shitting up arena on top of being an auto include in every ladder deck.

>>157199619
Nothing at all yet since we have no opponent deck or hand interaction. Cept that 1 wizard in sorcery

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>i play the game at a suboptimal skill level for digital doubloons

>>157199713
Aria isn't an auto-include in Elana and Control and she certainly doesn't see play in Seraph.

>>157199692
Yup, meanwhile I was playing the deck in unranked and find it much better when I got Cynthias

>>157199935
She is 100% an auto include in Elana

How'd you do today, /vg/? I had an abysmal day in Take Two yesterday, but I went in fresh today and strung a few 4-1s together and finished with a 5-0. I even opened my second Tia today; I want to craft tempo forest for my first real deck and that was a really exciting draw. Still a long ways to go though. Hopefully I have sweet dreams of Luna tonight. Good night, and good luck!

>>157199935
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/new-card-environment-tier-rankings/

Find me a single deck, just one, (1) ( O N E) that doesn't include 3 Aria. You win if you find one that plays just 2, not even 0. Let me guess, tiers don't matter, we should just base the discussion on your feelings.

>queue against a deck that isn't sprint haven or tempo forest
>it's elana haven
how did one expansion ruin the game so thoroughly

>>157200447
I've seen master players without her in their decks before, pham.

But if you want to discuss tiers, then why don't we discuss dragon, forest, and rune too? All of those classes are broken in some form and need to be gutted.

>>157200478
While ladder is pretty fucked right now I'd say it didn't ruin the game that thoroughly.
Really they just need to nerf 2 or 3 Aria, Garuda, one of Tia/Liza/Cynthia cards and the meta would be a lot better

>>157200478
By using Blizzard style balancing of taking turns being OP. Except Cygames doesn't apply this balance to their pet class Forest, it has to be at all times.

>>157200545
>then why don't we discuss dragon, forest, and rune too? All of those classes are broken in some form and need to be gutted.

>FT Bloodmain

>>157200649
Garuda doesn't do shit to Elana Haven, and Themsis (some retards want it nerfed for some reason) doesn't do shit to storm Haven. Aria is the obvious nerf to anyone with 2 braincells to rub together, unless they're a Haven main obviously.

The obvious nerf to Forest is to gut the fucking class already. Can we have 1 fucking month without it being the best class? Just fucking 1?

>>157200674
>>157200798
I suppose its because Arisa is the designated poster girl of SV

But hey, werent they generally good at balancing so far? Give it some time

Also, one wonders why the heck the icon for ENG Shadowverse is Lowen instead

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>>157199146
>played 3 times against PtP
>lost all

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>>157200736
>Defending Haven to the death
>Deflecting criticism of OP Haven shit to classes Haven doesn't do as well against
>FUCKING BLOOD MAINS
Blood players just can't catch a fucking break, can they? They have to be a meme class with shit mechanic, they're given shit for not being tier 3 anymore (tier 2 is too high for them!), and now they get shit for Havenfags defending their broken new cards?

>>157200736
Bloodcucks are the worst.

>>157200798
>Can we have 1 fucking month without it being the best class? Just fucking 1?
You must be pretty new familia since Forest was pretty weak for a long time until PtP became meta. Before that it was control blood, midrange sword, and cancer dragon that dominated the ladder.

>>157200545
there have been complaints about every class having some broken shit,except maybe blood, where all the complaints are about how bad it is. swordcraft complaints have declined too with the expansion.

every class has something 'broken' about them and they build decks around that. what is your grand vision for the game after you nerf everything?

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Why is this allowed?

>>157201146
Shadow was top dog too. Mordecai was the king of the midrange battles

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>mfw when i realize im am idiot and you are supposed to play whatever you can every turn against rune so they use removal while it sucks and boost the least amount of cards

>>157201286
Bloody mary is pretty broken, but Blood is just such a shit class that it's still garbage anyways.

>>157201331
>a late game minion without an immediate effect on the board
the weakest satan card by far.

>>157201331
I know, he's so bad.
You just want to topdeck that sweet, sweet Dis' Damnation or Silent Rider but then you pull this shit and you're so disappointed.