/bbg/ ─ Bloodborne General

AWOOO

eileen has a hairy butthole and pussy

First for begging
>>157082902

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NTH FOR PURGE FILTH

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>>157083146
TAKE IT BACK

MAH CHEST DICK

>>157083227
you say that like it's a bad thing

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Should I level VIT or SKL first if I'm currently at 20/25 and want to stay at a low-ish level?

>>157083586
Vit

>>157083586
I am physically repulsed

>>157083586
Man, the lighting in Gaping's arena really makes it look better. Here it looks like it jumped out of a PS2 Resident Evil game.

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Why is she so perfect

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>>157084032
I want to nap with the doll while she hums quiet lullabies

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Does Bone Marrow Ash scale with anything?

Where are the intimate numbers? None of the wikis I've searched has any kind of number for what kind of damage increase this has.

>>157084172
imagine spending eternity with her as an eldritch being.

imagine being a newborn and suckling up to her doll breasts

>>157084372
does big damage with most guns, does like 1.2x damage with cannons

>>157084576
I want NUMBERS

>>157084712
>Cainhurst ghost chicks
>Piercing Rifle w/ 205 AR
> 103 damage
>add BMA
> 376 damage

what are some must use "spells" for a arcane build

>>157085360
BSE, EG, Augur

Sometimes Accursed Brew for crowds.

Sometimes A Call Beyond for huge bosses.

>>157085360
being able to wield a melee weapon effectively

>>157085520
no

parasite fists for life

>>157085360
Blacksky Eye is godlike, Accursed Brew is good for crowd control, Executioner's Gloves dohuge stagger, Augur floors things and can parry/backstab, Beast Roar is a nice "get off me" move. The others are largely not worth it, though they have their uses.

Fuck the Chalice Dungeons.

>>157085453
EG is a "sometimes" weapon, Accursed Brew is for every situation.

>>157086028
i agree.

>>157086028
Fuck _ME

>>157086053
Accursed Brew is a "sometimes" weapon, BSE is for every situation.

>>157086028
The lack of Chalice Dungeons is the main reason why I don't play Dark Souls 3 anymore.

>>157086028
They're pretty fun to explore once you complete your build.

That being said, anybody got some crazy FRC glyphs?

>>157086028
Depth 5 is fun but fuck 1-4.

>>157086189
No, Accursed Brew has the same amout of damage but consumes less bullets. It also hits multiple enemies at the same time.
There's no point in using EG instead of Brew unless you're fighting a very large enemy and want to target its head.

>>157086362
No, BSE has the same amout of damage but consumes less bullets.
There's no point in using Accursed Brew instead of BSE unless you're fighting a very large group of enemies.

Nearly done with my first playthrough. Ran quality to maximize the number of toys I could play around with, though I ended up maining Saw Cleaver, Hunter Axe, Rifle Spear, and Cannon.

Somebody give me a good but different build for a second playthrough.

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>>157086501
BSE is way weaker than Accursed Brew.

>>157086501
No, HMS lasers do way more damage and consume the same amount of bullets.
There's no point in using Blacksky Eye instead of HMS lasers unless you're trying to snipe from long range.

>>157086548
Cruel Fate: 40+/12/10/9/5/50 for a base Arcane build. Decide to get 25/12+ Str/Skl for Str/Arc or keep pumping Arcane for Pure Arc.

Military Veteran: 40+/10+/14/15/50/6 for a base Bloodtinge build. Decide to get Str to 28 for Str/Blt or Skill to 25 for Skl/Blt but honestly 25 Skl isn't much different than Pure Blt with 15 Skl.

>>157079472
I'm starting ng+4 and would like some company.
I'm at cleric beast's fog gate.
bl 120
pass is ng4.
Anyone is welcome.

>>157086920
Both sound good but why so little stamina?

OKAY
I can keep the HMS at a constant AR of 1099
OR
Put on a gem that makes it 1167 at full health
When not at full health the AR drops down 1092
What would you do?
Don't ask my stats

>>157086954
Different anon, but I'd be happy to help in a few minutes. I'll be with you shortly.

>>157087212
Low stamina consumption and fast refill. As long as you have a Stamina Rune you should have enough stamina for dodging and attacking. 15-20 if you feel that you'll need more.

>>157086684
AB does like 1.5x BSE damage for twice the bullet cost. It's only worth it if you need to hit multiple targets at once.

>>157087318
Thanks, I'm still at the fog gate.

>>157086954
I'll come by too if you're still waiting

>>157087674
I am.

>>157087764
>>157087573
ringing

>>157087318
>>157087573
Okay, took a bit longer than I thought but I'm with you now. On my way to the bridge.

>>157087674
>>157087982
>>157088074
Going to Gascoigne's fog gate now.

>>157088176
Where to next, boss? Old Yharnam or Cathedral Ward?

>>157079994
Rifle spear isn't a rifle or a spear
It's more like a Shotgunlance

>>157088953
Going to bsb, I'll post whem I'm at the fog gate.
And thanks guys!

>>157088953
Alright, ringing at bsb fog gate.

>>157089325
I'm sitting BSB out because I actually just started NG+ and had to dash all around central yharnam to catch up to you.

Likelihood of a Bloodborne DLC sale for Halloween?

I'd have bought it already but I can't shake the feeling it'll go on sale given the season. If there were going to have it go on sale ever, it would be now.

Sorry for leaving it all to you Gregor, thought you had it under control. That was pretty cool tho!

>>157089889
Flamesprayer can only solo BSB without stopping to blood bullet if it isn't NG+2 or so, otherwise he just has too much health. Otherwise that works great.

Grand Cathedral next, then?

>>157090146
I just went and killed Amelia in my NG+ while you guys did BSB, I'll ring by the fog.

>>157090146
Let's kill paarl next. I'm ringing at his fog gate.

>>157090470
Oh whoops. Let's go for Amelia then.

>>157090503
>>157090470
I'll continue my rush through the main areas then and keep an eye out for when you guys do amelia/shadows/rom etc

>>157090707
Don't worry, I'm ringing at Amelias fog gate now.

Thanks again guys. I'll kill the witches quickly and then go to cainhurst.

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>>157091404
>Cainhurst

It's time.

Any advice for the beast cutter? I don't know if I should dump five more pints in my 20END or use another weapon with long melee reach.

>>157092609
It's fine at 12 Endurance with a 20% Stam rune, the tricked r2s are really the main thing you should be using for PvE. Untricked is okay for small/normal mobs.

>grinding insight by co-oping for Rom
>One guy dies in his first phase by spider
>Host dies in second phase on first spell

come on.

>>157091479

Ringing at Logarious' Fog gate.
Same pass " ng4 "

Is level 65 too high for Rom, or is it just a slow day? Few takers on the co op.

>>157094438
It might just be a slow day. 65 still lets you connect with the level range of most people who fight Rom.

You might get something for Ludwig. I got plenty of summons for him when I was around level 70.

>>157094626
Yeah but I'd rather pull out my own teeth than fight ludwig

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>Isz layer 3
>room with brainsuckers, werewolves and celestial emissaries that shoot through walls

>>157095110
>tfw got that same room in an FRC Isz root
>was preceded by a swinging pendulum bridge with a 1-hit fireball guy at the other end
>past the brainsucker/werewolf/emissary room, there was the lever, guarded by another brainsucker
>go up the push that sweet thing
>get fucked up by a Ludwig's Holy Blade hunter who was hiding right behind
>tfw the ladder to this entire section was guarded by a Witch of Hemwick spawning Mad Ones
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

Ringing at the Shadows' gates now, If anyone is interested.

>>157095545
Coming. Same pass?

>>157095659
Yeah, ng4

>>157095110
It's a dead end anyway.

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>>157095110
The sarcophagus at the top has a shitty arcane gem in it.

Undead giant = I-frames the boss

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If they were to make a sequel or a "spiritual successor" with the same combat system, what changes would you wish they made ?

I would like to see something that stops gun spamming, perhaps introducing the need to reload, with some guns being stronger and weaker depending on the capacity, with a reload animation playing when you push the shoot button when you run dry. It slows you down to a walk for it's duration and you can dash out of the very end of the animation for a short cancel.

That and the return of the double barrel shotgun.

Now ringing at Ludwig's fog gate. Same pass and everything.

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>>157097123
>NG+4 Ludwig

Oh baby, here we go.

>>157097101
I'd honestly like the see some convenience mechanics, like being given the option to mark directly to the dream, or something better than going to the dream just to access a lamp elsewhere.

Maybe something to make farming for BLT and ARC gems better, and a higher droprate for Tomb Mold 5.

>>157097365
>Tomb Mold 5.

New game + ffs

I honestly never even know people farmed for tomb mold.

>>157097453
It's annoying the first time around, before you go into NG+ and want to get your main chalices done and some depth 5 roots.

It's just an option for pre-NG+ chalice grinding.

Any o' you negroes need some co-op?

>>157097732
Heading into NG+ micolash

will set pass awoo and ring by fog

>>157097101
>If they were to make a sequel or a "spiritual successor" with the same combat system, what changes would you wish they made ?
Blood vials and bullets that restock automatically when you end a multiplayer session.

>I would like to see something that stops gun spamming
Use a shield.

>>157097787
It's time to chew ass and kick memes

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Sorry lads, I went to sleep after I posted.
>>157054638
It was one of pic related, but I have no idea which.
>>157054870
sjcbqsk2, homeboy's on Layer 3
>>157054895
I was only using HMLS and Rakuyo during the co-op, but my Pick's pretty modestly gemmed, so its AR's only 442/571

>>157097949
Goddamn that augur. I'll go ring again.

>>157098345
I have my beast roar equipped now, I am ready

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>>157098383
RIP

I'm about to jump down on him; wish me luck.

WELL

I hope ya got him, he memed me

>>157098797
got him

>>157098797
>>157098862
>killed micolash
>walking out of his room
>game freezes

Looks like he got me after all. Cheeky fucker.

>>157098991
Oh shit, we going again?

>>157099041
No he stayed dead luckily.

>beast cutter
>cutter
>deals blunt damage
Explain this

>>157099258
Serrated.

Gregor, I'm ringing in Living ayys, if you wanna keep playing with me. If anyone wants to come you are welcome. Pass is ng4

Is the online still alive? Please tell me it is. Only been a few months, but communities age fast, and I have fond memories of playing with you lot.

>>157099728
It sure is, anon.

I get summons and invasions left and right, even now.

>>157099728
For a console exclusive, it's doing pretty fuckin good.

Is the Cainhurst Set something from real life or is it fairly original? I know the helmet, at least, is taken from an Italian parade helmet.

>>157100085
Most of the fashion in the game is inspired by real life fashions, tricorns, long coats, top hats and shit, all real, but maybe not AS stylized as some of the sets are. I wouldn't be surprised if the concept artists, having probably worked on previous Dark Souls games and probably knowing a thing or two about some historical armours, based the Cainhurst stuff off real world armour.

Also, post that helmet if you have a pic.

As much as I like Maria, let's bully her together anons. Ringing at her fog gate. Same pass "ng4"

>>157100291
That and Berserk. Lots and lots of berserk.

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>>157100291.
I think you're not supposed to wear it like you do in Bloodborne, however. Supposed to be angled up, so you can actually fucking see.

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>>157100357
YES

>>157100542
Damn, I suck at parries. Ringing again.

Anyone wanna fight NG+ Gehrman?

I didn't even know you could co-op him until recently so I kind of want to try it out.

>>157100930
Sure thing!

>>157100482
Kek look at that Vileblood Titty Helmet

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>>157097101
>Tfw finding the double barrel repeater pistol on release and having renewed hope that the double barrel shotgun was still in the game as a repeater blunderbuss variant
>It wasn't

A-atleast the repeater is kind of like a sawed off

>>157101004
Amazingly a random came in. I wonder how often people actually ring small bells in the Dream.

>Invading in the Fishing Hamlet
>Host and buddies were in the well
>tfw don't even have to jump in, just stand at the ledge and watch the slaughter
The poor bastards

>>157097101
>>157101567
so there was going to be a proper shotgun in the game at some point then?

>>157102129
Eh, not really
It was just an early pre-alpha placeholder model for what eventually became the blunderbuss, FROM wasn't too sure of what level of technology yharnamites had at that point or something

They didn't even add it in the DLC when they had the chance, it's not fair

>>157102442
Say it was to be added in the Old Hunters.
How would it differ from any other gun?

>>157099912
>>157100073
Glad to hear it!

Gregor, I will one day return

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>>157102631
Same as the difference between repeater and a regular pistol
2 bullets, extra damage and pellet count compared to the blunderbuss, maybe 25-30 pellets instead of the 15 it regularly has with a wider spread, and a longer recoil on par with the piercing rifle

And of course the biggest difference, my dick would be rock fucking hard every time I squeeze L2

>>157102631
It'd probably be like a Blunderbuss version of the Reapeting Pistol, costs 2 bullets but does much higher damage and looks really cool.

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>>157102989
>>157103170
What if it did less damage than the Blunderbuss, but the bullets explode in the air like firecrackers for a second or two and stun anyone that touches it?

>>157103423
That's just downright fucking silly

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>>157103540
It sounded better in my head.

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>>157097101
>Blood vials always restock from infinite stores; bullets still need to be farmed or bought
>Scaling starts to matter sooner
>A little more flexibility in where to go at various points; linearity isn't bad but it would help vary future playthroughs
>Less areas where simply running through is the best option; Yah'hagul and the Nightmare of Mensis have several annoying stretches where the best strategy is just to avoid conflict and speed past
>It's okay for there to be smaller areas from time to time but most levels should match up to what's expected of them; Byrgenwerth should've been much bigger
>Better NPCs; BB has too few compared with DeS and DaS, and their questlines aren't great
>Fairer NPC fights; NPCs should be held to the same constraints as the player; infinite healing and infinite bullets makes certain fights annoying and encourages cheesing rather than taking them on legitimately; obviously some concessions need to be made since a human player will always be smarter than the AI, but infinite resources always feels cheap
>Insight has more uses/ramifications
>It should never be a mystery where we're supposed to go next; the link between defeating the Blood-Starved Beast and accessing the Healing Chuch's Workshop is tenuous at best
>Remove/alter chalice dungeons in favor of more content/better chalice dungeons; the existing ones tend to be either boring or frustrating for boring reasons
>Bosses with adds or who are accompanied by other bosses should be finely-tuned; these fights can be alternatingly the highlights or the lowlights of the game, and need to be perfect - more so than most
>Gun descriptions should be more clear about what differentiates them
>More interesting stuff to find/risk your life for; the current amount of consumables is fine, but it also means there's not much point to risking your life for a couple bullets or a molotov cocktail; put more weapons in perioulous places, or more lore important items

>>157104182
Go play CoD Infinite ffs.

>>157104182
>the link between defeating the Blood-Starved Beast and accessing the Healing Chuch's Workshop is tenuous at best

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

As soon as you kill BSB Gherman says "the healing church workshop is a pretty good time, ascended Oeden Chapel m8"

Literally couldn't be more obvious. Do you need quest markers?

>>157104182
Jesus fucking Christ

>>157104182
NPCs don't have infinite bullets and vials though

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>>157104182
Has this image ever been more relevant?

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>>157104182
>Nice meme!

>>157104182
saving this for future funposting

>>157104182
This is expertly formulated shitposting. Some of the points I actually agree with, and it makes the completely outrageous points seem almost agreeable because of it. It's the perfect sandwich of grounded criticism wrapped in ridiculous hyperbole.

>>157104435
>As soon as you kill BSB Gherman says "the healing church workshop is a pretty good time, ascended Oeden Chapel m8"
That's the tenuous part, and also the game practically interupting itslf to tell you where to go next. Although Fromsoft's excellent level design leads you very naturally from the Cathedral Ward to Old Yharnam (which itself is well is good), the instructions you've been given thus far by the game have revolved around reaching the locked-off Grand Cathedral. You explore, of course, because the game encourages exploring, and eventually find yourself in Old Yharnam. You suspect this will probably somehow loop back to the Grand Cathedral in some fashion since you're playing a video game and everything has a "Reason" to exist, but there's no obvious reason to head down there from the Cathedral Ward besides it being the only place you can go. Now if you report to the Hunter's Dream you can 1.) talk to Gherman and/or 2.) purchase the Hunter Chief's Emblem, but Gherman's talk of the chalice makes it sound more like a sidequest than something required to progress, and the Emblem being an optional "Dream" purchase makes it smack of sequence breaking - not that there's anything wrong with sequence breaking, but on a first time playthrough you're likely looking for the "Proper" way to enter the Grand Cathedral rather than paying money to unlock it.

Once you defeat the BSB down in Old Yharnam, the door to the Healing Church's Workshop in Oedon Chapel mysteriously "Opens." There is no environmental connection between these two locations, nor any reason why defeating the BSB should suddenly open a door somewhere else for no reason. You can talk to Gherman who tells you about the workshop, but that seems to have nothing to do with the task you've just accomplished, so it comes off as jarring. Simply leaving a key on a dead body in the BSB's chamber would be enough to clue you in without the game having to tell you directly.

(1/2)

>>157106785
(2/2)

BB's level design and careful control of information is really quite good and the vast majority of the game leads naturally from one area, one goal, to another, but this is the one place where they don't do a good job of it.

>>157104664
The cannon and rifle spear hunters must have an ungodly amont of bullets clenched tightly between their butt cheeks then.

>>157106496
What's so outrageous about it besides everyone losing their minds over the BSB -> Workshop connection?

>>157106897
>What's so outrageous
You know, anon. You know.

>>157107008
I don't know, actually. I've been playing the game for the first time coming off of DeS, DaS, and DaS II and these are my thoughts on what I'd change/fine-tune for a sequel.

If you want to have a discussion or an argument, cool, but if you're just gonna dance around the subject I have better things to do.

>>157106785
>nd the Emblem being an optional "Dream" purchase makes it smack of sequence breaking
Not in the slightest bit.

Have you honestly never played any of the gorillion RPGs that have points where you HAVE to grind/pay/etc. to progress? Bloodborne is unusual in allowing you to avoid paying the toll.

>>157107153
>if you're just gonna dance around the subject I have better things to do
Anon I'll sit here and shitpost with you until the world freezes over, but don't you sit there and lie to me.

>>157107153
>I've been playing the game for the first time
Jesus Christ anon at least fucking finish the game.

There are 8 mandatory boss fights, only 7 if you're on NG+, 70% of the game is optional sidequests, and that includes old Yharnam AND the Oedon Chapel.

>>157107156
I've played many games that did stuff like this - including DaS, which did it before BB with the Crest of Artorias. There's nothing wrong with including something like the emblem in the game, but here are two points to consider: firstly, the Dream itself, up to that point, is presented as something "Separate" from the rest of the world. The emblem, then, is not something that exists within the world itself, but as something "Outside" of it, used to circumvent an in-world obstacle if you either can't or won't do it yourself. Secondly, the game itself has prepared you up till that point upon encountering locked doors to look for keys OR to look for ways to open them "From the other side," and as I said the level design and Gherman's comments lead you very naturally through the Cathedral Ward down to Old Yharnam. You can skip all that, of course, much like you can skip the Cleric Beast, but it's obviously intended to be most people's first time experience going down to Old Yharnam.
>>157107243
I'm not lying. Tell me what I'm saying that's so unphantomable to you already.
>>157107314
I'm near the end of the game and already know everything in your post. That doesn't effect my comments, nor is it even relevant to most of them.

>>157100440
The attire in the game isn't inspired by Berserk at all

>>157104979
kinda makes me want a Bloodborne MMO though(even if the odds are likely towards it being trash

>>157107752
>but it's obviously intended to be most people's first time experience going down to Old Yharnam.
And they do a brilliant job of guiding first-time players down there.

Are you saying it's BAD that the game is open-ended?

>>157107898
bloodborne is an mmo

>>157107752
>Tell me what I'm saying that's so unphantomable to you already.
The only two comments you made that I do agree with are:
>the link between defeating the Blood-Starved Beast and accessing the Healing Chuch's Workshop is tenuous at best
and
>NPCs should be held to the same constraints as the player
Everything else you said is varying degrees of nonsense, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

>>157107954
No, and in fact I praised that very thing and said a bit more openness would be nice.

What I criticized was the game's own attempts at linking progress in Old Yharnam to accessing the rest of the Cathedral Ward, which the game achieves but very clunkily and not to the same standard as almost everything else in the game.

When I first beat the BSB I thought to myself "I guess I'll go talk to Gherman about what to do with this chalice thing since this place deadends and doesn't loop back to the Cathedral Ward," only to be told by Gherman "Oh yeah there's a workshop you can just access now, go do that." It sticks out in a game that's otherwise very good at leading you around/letting you wander from one important location to another.

>>157107984
I'll respond to you in a second post since this'll be too long otherwise anyway.

>>157108409
You're complaining that they're only tenuously related, but THEY AREN'T RELATED. The door opening after BSB is just a gameplay mechanic. The game doesn't spell out that Snatchers show up once you kill BSB either, but you don't seem to have a problem with that.

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GOD FUCKING DAMN MICKY WHAT THE FUCK

>>157109023
Outskilled

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>>157109023
Kek. Almost as good as mine.

>>157109136
^OO^ OINKO!

>>157109023
>thinking you could defeat the Memelord himself in his own domain
Foolish, foolish hunter.

Which fucking NG+ is that where his Augur one shots you?

>>157109498
Only NG+2. And I have 50 Vit and Clockwise +15%.

Once you hit NG+ he has like a 9999 Arcane stat.

>>157107984
I'll go over everything then.
>Blood vials and bullets
Needing to farm blood vials interupts the flow the game when you run short and feel the need to farm them (as you probably do if you're running short), and having them replenish in the field (often from enemies who always drop them) reduces the economical aspect of healing introduced by Dark Souls where you have limited heals you need to make count.

I'm okay with bullets being finite since they're a weapon to be used and I'm fine with the cost their benefit requires.
>Scaling starts to matter sooner
Obviously scaling matters throughout the game since some weapons have good scaling or bad scaling early on, but it's not until +7 and the late game that scaling starts to really matter and improve. I just think more weapons should improve scaling at +4 rather than +7
>Flexibility
I don't think I need to say anything here.
>Running
Yah'hagul's constant summoner spam makes fighting your way through that area tedious. Yes, you can kill them, but it's still tedious to do every time.

Mensis isn't so bad except for the spider enemies who just aren't worth your time. They're annoying to fight, drop nothing good, and can be skipped.
>Bigger
I don't think I need to say anything here.
>NPCs
BB has some good NPCs but also some lackluster ones, and none of the questlines outside one or two really grabbed me. It has better NPCs than DaS2 but worse NPCs than DeS or DaS1. I don't think that's too brazen to say.

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>>157109604
>>157107984
(2/2)

>Insight
Already does a lot. I just wish it did a little more.
>Chalice dungeons
This one I'll admit is entirely my opinion and preference but I haven't liked the Chalice Dungeons much, nor do I care for the sort of game design they represent. I'd rather have a few more core areas to explore than their sequential generation, and most of them are either boring and simple or frustrating but for boring reasons (like stuffing a room full of bell ladies summoning infinite swarms of spiders).
>Multi-Bosses
This has been a constant area of back and forth throughout the series. When From delivers here, they give us some great fights, but they don't always deliver, and I found both Shadows and Rom kind of tedious - not difficult, tedious.
>Guns
Some guns are better about this than others, but a few aren't. They should all be good about this.
>Interesting stuff to risk your life for
I don't think I need to say anything here.

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>>157109136

>>157109604
>>157109716
>mad cuz bad

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Anyone want to help an actual retard with defiled hotdog

pass is bbg

>>157109872
Why is this so funny to me

Goodbye Gehrman

Oh shit, the VAs for Gascoigne's daughters are actually sisters according to the end credits.

>>157111206
If you're still there, sure.

Living Ayyys is a shitty boss. I wish we got something better.

>>157111473
It's a great fight with a great soundtrack. So what if they look like retarded tumors?

>>157111442
Yeah I'm ringing by the fog with Olek

>>157111516
It's super easy, and just boring.

>kite around tree
>stab
>repeat

>>157111679
Well that's why I like it. It's a nice change of pace from the berserk endless combo bosses.

>>157111516
>tfw one of them spawns just as the fight ends
>tfw no bone blade in inventory

i just wanted to watch it fight maria

>>157111839
I just think it's way too simple and easy a boss. I didn't want another Ludwig either, but I'd love if the fight were a little more complex.

>>157111967
Really they're just a mini-boss on your way to Maria, since she's your reason for climbing the Research Hall to the clock tower in the first place.

Anyone want to give me a hand with the bloodletting beast in layer 2 of the pthumeru Ihyll chalice?

If so then the passwords bbg

>>157108565
It's about internal consistency of the game world and the logic therein, which these games are usually very good about. FromSoft makes serious attempts to make these worlds feel believable and lived in with geometries and grounded rules that make sense. If there's a door, there must be a key. If it doesn't open from this side, there must be a long way around to unlock it.

Your long-term goal, given to you at the start of the game, is to "Transcend" the Hunt. You don't know what this means just yet, but you have some guesses, and you're told by a helpful NPC (Gilbert) that the answers you seek may be in the Grand Cathedral of the Cathedral Ward, which becomes your immediate short-term goal (which, in your mind, will hopefully lead to accomplishing your long-term goal as well). When you finally get there, you see that the cathedral is locked off, so you go exploring. You find another NPC (Alfred) who gives you another lead, Byrgenwerth, and tells you it's beyond the forest. You don't know how to access the forest just yet, but nevermind that. So far the game's been pretty kosher about controlling information and letting you realize on your own where to go and what to do there.

(1/2)

What level did everyone beat the game/dlc their first time?

I'm level 65 and I'm at Maria in the DLC now

>>157112223
>(1/2)
Stop doing this. Go back to twitter.

>>157112223
(2/2)

The Cathedral Ward leads down into Old Yharnam, which if you don't buy the emblem is the only route to take. Maybe you go down there thinking it'll lead to Byrgenwerth (which you just learned about), or that you'll find some means of opening the gate to the cathedral, or maybe you've talked to Gherman in the Dream and he told you about the chalice and that interests you. Even so, the chalice is a side thing and your goals are still to access either the cathedral or the school.

You can buy the emblem at this time and just head for the cathedral now if you wish, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument.

So you go to Old Yharnam but it's a dead end, though at least you got the chalice out of it. With no leads, one of two things happens.

1. You backtrack, seeing if you missed anything, only to find the open door in Oedon Chapel. But why is it open? How were you supposed to know to come here, that killing the BSB would open this door? You found it just backtracking, wandering about. You check it out and it leads to progress, but you had a moment of "Well what do I do now?"

2. You visit Gherman, probably to ask him about the chalice, and he tells you to check out the Workshop and where to access it out of the blue, but doesn't give you a key or anything. You return to the chapel and see the door is open. Did defeating the BSB open the door? Why? Why couldn't it have always been open? Why wasn't there a key to find.

Again, these games are usually really good about leading you where you need to go and letting you deduce where you need to head next. To find the workshop and progress through it, you either discover it randomly, or need to be told explicitly by the game "Go to this place and do this thing you can arbitrarily do now becasuse reasons," in a game that otherwise has a very logical progression behind everything.

I don't mind the snatchers because they're not tied to making progress through the game in the same way.

>>157111442
Fuck it ran out of insight Ill do it some other time

thanks for the help though

>>157112403
No problem, friendo.

>>157112191
Be there in a sec.

>>157112283
I enjoy talking about this game on a design level. I'm sorry if you don't.

>>157112335
wtf dude you've written like 3 essays about this shit already. Nobody wants to read all that shit. Go make your own game with quest markers and checkpoints.

>>157112467
Thanks, i'll ring at the lantern, this boss is slow back peddling work alone.

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>>157109136
No, nothing compares to this.

>>157109872
The night, and the dream... Were long...

>>157112467
Thanks for the hand buddy.

>>157112949
No problem. Fuck that guy.

>>157112587
If somebody wants to read it, they'll read it. If you don't want to, don't. I'm one asshole in a thread full of assholes on a board full of assholes. I've only said this much because you (or others) kept the conversation going.

In any case, I'll end with this, and maybe this is all I should've said from the beginning: I dislike obvious quest markers and BB is mercifully almost entirely free of them...EXCEPT for Gherman telling you about the chalice, then telling you about the workshop. In a game full of natural little nudges and smooth transistions and solid level design, Gherman breaks all of that to tell you where to go in a way that sticks out and doesn't mesh the same way everything else does, and From could've easily fixed it. The end.

>>157113495
"Go check out Old Yharnam" is exactly the kind of little nudge you're saying it should be. Do you even remember what he said?

The Crestfallen Warrior flat out fucking tells you "Go to the Undead Parish and Blighttown and ring the bells". By your logic the whole series is broken.

Bend the knee.

>>157113648
Being explicitly told to check out Old Yharnam is unnecessary since the game's geometry leads you down there anyway, Gherman's dialogue just confirms there's an additional prize to be had down there. If they just had him talk about the chalices in an abstact way without mentioning locations, you'd still head down there of your own accord and find it.

The Crestfallen Warrior isn't a proper comparison since you still have some idea what to do even without him thanks to Oscar (verses having to backtrack and stumble into the workshop on your own without Gherman telling you about it), the conversation is more natural introduced and better contextualized as another fellow adventurer sharing information you might reasonably want to know (verses Gherman suddenly talking about the workshop out of the blue), and it's at the beginning of the game telling you WHAT you need to do verses being in the middle and telling you HOW to do what you need to do.

>>157114118
Gehrman is leading and manipulating you with limited information. His task is to guide you so of fucking course he does. Gilbert tells you to go to the Bridge, and unless you backtrack and stumble around lost he'll never tell you to take the aqueduct to get to the Cathedral Ward instead.

>>157114118
>verses Gherman suddenly talking about the workshop out of the blue
It's Gehrman's fucking workshop. He can decide whenever he wants to tell you about it.

>>157114118
>I don't need this old wizard telling me to kill the demon king because it's what i was summoned to do.

Memes aside, and the gun part aside, is the Reiterpallasch moveset any good (or even the slightest bit decent) in PvP?

pitiful really

NG+4 anon here.
I'm at OoK's fog gate if anyone wants to join.
Pass is ng4

I figured out a new cheese for
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
You have to grab the pussy

>>157115168
saif and rakuyo outmatch reiter in pvp, but i did have many pvp kills from reiter alone. you'll be fine.

>>157116427
>▶saif and rakuyo

literal pay2win garbage

0/10 utterly unplayable

I did it. I beat Lady Maria.

>>157116802
they are without a doubt top tier for skl builds in pvp, hence the "meme" status of both

i personally like saif's moveset over rakuyo.

>>157117142
how crude

>>157116349
Do we even need a new cheese for him?

Get hunters axe, R2. Win

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>>157117179
I used to love the Rakuyo and found the Saif awkward (especially the tricked R1 dash), but I rushed to the Saif on my most recent build to have something to use until later on when I could get Rakuyo/Church Pick etc and absolutely love it. The tricked form is like the saws but better thanks to the little dash, and untricked reminds me of the Murakumo which was one of my favorite weapons in DaS.

>>157117874
i love the rakuyo. second favorite weapon at the moment. i just love how much phantom range the saif has. tricked mode has faster moves with dashes incorporated in the moves. untricked has that great range and unfully charged R2 for crowd control.

>>157118129
not to mention you can used a left hand weapon with the saif in both modes, unlike the rakuyo

The thing that sucks about the Rakuyo is it takes so long to get in a NG. And then after that in that run you only really have chalices.

Tips for Defiled Amy? First time doing the Chalice Dungeons, I have 50VIT but it stills 2HKOs me.

It's not like I'm having a real hard time or anything, but when it rips off its arms I'm not too sure how to evade it, most of the time I evade away of it so when phase 2 happens I just get hit for 80% of my hp from the other side of the room.

>>157118826
well you dont need to get through much of the main game to access the dlc. you just need to get through most of the dlc at say bl 40, get rakuyo, then enjoy the rest of the main game

>>157118936
You have to beat Up to Maria of the DLC though

>>157118897
Stand in front of it and move in and out intelligently to bait slam attacks that make it lower its head, then run in and attack its head.

Do this until phase 3 when it rips off two of its arms to use as cudgels, then run in and stand between its feet. It will try to stomp you and jump on you, both of which telegraph and are easy to dodge. Pick a leg and attack it until it's crippled, then keep attacking it for decent damage. Hit it until it dies.

>>157119031
reread my comment lol

Fuck these huge anchor weilding shark things. Fuck

>>157119330
Dodge towards them so you get carried behind them, like Ludwig's second phase. It neutralized most of their moveset.

>>157119330
You can parry them

>>157119538
With what bullshit timing?

>>157119480
Then the other shark just hits me

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>>157119601
>Then the other shark just hits me

>>157119151
I thought legs didn't break since you deal so little damage to them, huh, seriously activates your neurons.

>>157120682
Crippling limbs isn't about burst damage. They have their own HP bars like boss itself.

Regarding getting viscerals on bosses like Undead Giant though I'm not sure. Those seem like instances of needing high burst damage maybe.

>>157119646
Good luck hitting them with it, long ass wind up time.

>>157120852
I do it all the time. Git gud.

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>>157119601
Here's an easy example. I'm not very good at parrying.

Man, I hate the fucking shark-giants in the fishing hamlet, I think they may be the worst design for an enemy in the entire game, what's up with these DS2-tier hit boxes?

>>157121851
I don't recall them being that bad, and the shaman blade makes them pretty easy.

>>157121969
I used three fucking shaman blades and none of them worked. I am doing a good job not losing my shit right now.

>>157122006
want a summon, fighting them is always a pain?

>>157122006
They always work. The enemy doesn't stop attacking you the instant you Blade it; you have to get out of their way and let the other enemies attack the Bladed one and draw its aggro.

Anyone still awake? Wanted a buddy for Upper Cathedral Ward.

>>157122783
I'd have liked to, but I need to kill Rom and get the key.

>>157104182
Byrgenwerth was expected?
I mean I guess.

>>157123287
You want some help with Rom?

>>157124749
Nah, I'm already ready to go fight TOR lol

>fight ORphan the first time
>Almost kill him, he has like 2 hp left
>now
>I cant even get him to form 2

wtf. It's like he became unparryable.

Anyone want to try to help me kill ludwig with my level 34 character?

Holy shit did I get these numbers right? Are Cold Abyssals this good?

Saw Cleaver
Two CAs, 24.8 Fire

180+[180*(.55+.65+.65)*.85]*1.248=577

3x 24.8 Fire
180+(180*.55*.85)*1.943764992=513

So I talked to Simon at the clock tower, he told me to kill Maria. He's not at the lighthouse hut lamp after I killed her.

>>157125270
Yeah.
Pass?

I've now beaten every non-chalice boss solo. Woo.

how to get good at parrying with pistol?

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Could the wheel arcane build from the OP be used in a parasite build as well? They both seem like they'd be fun, but I'm having a hard time deciding between the two.

>>157128409
shoot the enemy before their attack hits you

>>157126621
bbghalp

Should I infuse Whirligig Saw with an elemental gem on my 25 STR/50+ ARC build? Or would it be better off with physical gems considering its S STR scaling?

>>157129313
At 50 Arc, that motherfucker will destroy beasts with a 3 way fire set up.

>>157128501
Do what I do. Autistically farm enough bloodstone to fortify every weapon whose requirements are met by your stats. I've just started a str/arc character and have already got Tonitrus, Kirkhammer, Hunter Axe, Stake Driver, and Flamesprayer at + 3, with Saw Cleaver at +6. Intend on doing the same with Logarius Wheel, Beast Cutter, Whirligig Saw, LHB, Moonlight Sword, and Kos Parasite too :^)

>>157126621
Still there?

Ringing outside his door with bbghalp as the pass.

>>157129573
I'm trying to fuck around with my net.

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>>157129489
It's not like a parasite build requires anything more than what that build has, right? It only needs 50 arcane as far as I know.

Any tips for Lawerence? Normally I can dodge pretty well but the fire after effect is hitting me almost every time.

>>157129681
K
I'm still there
Playing around on the internet while I wait

>>157129792
Just treat him left Cleric Beast; circle-strafe him clockwise and hit him in the ass.

In phase 2 just move laterally left.

>>157129792
Wait for him to finish a combo, then run in and get a hit or two.

In the second phase, the safest time to move in to attack is while he's spitting lava. Run at an angle and it's easy to dodge.

>>157130097
I think I'm good; it seemed to be a system update problem.

>>157130097
False alarm, I'm still fucked out of PSN sign in, great.

>>157130695
Damn, that blows.

Using valtr as a distraction and he seems to get killed as soon as ludwig pulls out that fucking sword every time...

>>157130984
A lot of people find phase 2 to be the easier one. Might even be better that way for predictability's sake.

>>157130775
yeah i love fighting ludwig
and i love flexing my arc build
i'm disappointed.

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Well /bbg/, is it kos or kosm?

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>>157135328
both

>>157129313
you don't need 25 str, if you put elemental gems on it it will stop scaling with str entirely.

>>157134261
Went back and killed him today
Dropped a 19 waning cursed bolt
23.9% bolt atk
Fire atk + 13.5
Wpn durability down

>>157136987
Noice. I went to bed after I posted yesterday, but I answered ya'll after I woke up: >>157098024

Anyone up for a low level run at Legarius?

>>157137282
Oh thanks m8, I've been wondering

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>Just noticed that the Boss Info doc is called The Arcanist Cookbook

>>157134261
I wonder what other boss mobs we can encounter that we've yet to find.
A wandering ebreitas or amygdala would be crazy

>>157137289
Nevermind

Do you guys use any other bloodgem location guides aside from what's found in the OP?
I'm trying to get flat damage gems that aren't ARC but can't find anything useful. In the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syKnSKflHbFiGY4pXkfIeXoMa2Lp9X1aXyme2qaTen4/htmlview?sle=true#) there's some useful ones, but they're all waning gems only.

I could try for off-shape farming, but particularly with the flat bolt, it comes from a chest. I'm not sure you can get off-shapes from chests.

>>157138693
You can get off-shapes from chests, I've gotten a +70 Flat Arcane Waning from an Isz chest.

>>157138804
>You can get off-shapes from chests
Well, I'll try savescumming and report back if I get lucky.

What would BBG say is the worst PvE weapon in the game?

Was thinking of doing a BL4 run and realised the Saws are godly and wanted to make it harder (and more fun) by grabbing 2 levels and using the BoM instead.

>>157139074
Fists only

>>157139145
I'm not fighting Orphan/Laurence/Ludwig with fists only. I'm not THAT good.

>>157139252
>>157139074
Worst PvE weapon depends on the boss. Are you upgrading weapons or are you keeping them at +0?

What's better as a fire serrated weapon, saw cleaver or beast cutter?

>>157139408
Upgrading. I've already beaten Ludwig at a low SL with a fiery +5 saw spear and that was challenging enough.

>tfw the first time I fought ludwig I had no idea about the nightmare church lamp, so I fought that hunter and his crow army every goddamn time

>>157139548
I prefer Saw Cleaver for its speed, but the Saw Spear is even better.

>>157138345
This is why FRC spelunking is so fun. I've yet to encounter a hole digger enemy, but the things you find are spectacular. I didn't even know Hotdog and HMPH could appear as mobs.

I wish Fromsoft could add more rare events in the dungeons. The sense of exploration is well done, and maybe there really are more boss mobs that we've yet to see.

Guidance 30% when?

>>157139932
I guess it's just a difference between speed and range. Currently have cleaver and a lost beast cutter at +6 so I can at least switch the gems around and play with both. Also have the kirkhammer that I'll probably put an arcane gem onto when I get one

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>>157140093
There is an ultra rare item that nobody found, it's called Revered Great One Coldblood.
We only know about it because it's in the artbook.

>>157129713
70 is best. Tiny Tonitrus and ACB stop scaling at 70.

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>>157138897
Ok, I have confirmed that you can in fact get off-shape gems from chests.

>>157140407
They keep scaling past 70.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y7zuCaT_LAqFrKQrdxz8Upe7gBJiVcOjO13XxssSGqE/htmlview

>>157139074
Depends on usage.
The stakedriver is absolute garbage without pulling off a charged R2. It's got short range and its transformed moveset doesn't change much.
Blades of mercy, also pretty shitty for PvE since they're split damage and short reach. But they do have S scaling.
Tonitrus on anything that isn't kin is a piece of shit.
Kos parasite without milkweed.

Though honestly, if you want a lvl 4 to be more challenging:
Use the threaded cane in tricked mode ONLY

>>157140725
What do you mean, off shape?

>>157140934
A gem that is a different shape than normal.
Fighting Isz watchers and getting a waning gem for example instead of a tri.

>>157140260
Has anybody discovered a use for the ring yet?

>>157141057
Yes, proposing to Queen Annalise and getting the cold shoulder.

>>157140260
Revered GOC and Guidance 30 are widely regarded to be nonexistent, since everything else has been found and documented multiple times so far.

It's generally assumed they forgot to make these items actually spawn anywhere.

>>157140931
I wish BoM was better. Rakuyo is just a straight upgrade.

>Go on /bbg/
>Rampant autism everywhere
I don't remember the place being this shit last time I was here. What the fuck happened?

>>157140407

Wut?
They scale all the way to 99...

>Invade guy who was running a three-man gank team in Forbidden Woods the other day
>He's alone
>Destroy him
Feels good man.

>>157141825
I think your shitpost is a day or two late. It's actually been a lot better the last couple days.

But to answer your question: reddit had a revival event, and we for some reason got a lot of their flotsam.

>>157141057
Cool
Thanks

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>>157141825
>/bbg/
>not autistic

>>157141825
Some people tried blaming reddit for having a "revival" event since the thread turned the shitposting to 11 around that time, but I highly doubt that would've actually brought anyone over here from reddit.

>>157141946
Yep, and the scaling ramps up after 80 for a lot of them.

>>157142051
Parrying the host's heal and killing him with a visceral while his buttbuddies helplessly mash R1 at you is the best feeling.

What level is too high for Forbidden Woods invasions? eg. at what level will I stop getting constant invasions and have to actually wait a while

>>157142557
Probably 70+, but I wouldn't be surprised if you still get plenty of action.

>>157142557
I just that ganker a couple times at BL57. I was getting him before at BL45, which, assuming he hasn't leveled up, puts him somewhere between BL43 and 82. I would be very, very surprised if he was any higher than BL50 though, and I have a hard time believing anyone not in NG+ goes through there at any higher than 50.

>>157142698
I never know what level "people" are at different areas anymore since I'm always just working towards a build and leveling in huge chunks instead of gradually.

>>157142557
>>157142954
Which is to say I think you probably shouldn't level past 65.

During which Ng cycle does this actually become difficult?

>>157144956
+8

>>157144956
The difference between NG cycles is negligible until you reach +3, then you'll start to notice.

>>157144956
With 27 % gems never.

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Made a Ludwig

>>157089014
is this supposed to make me not want to use it
cause it's having an opposite reaction to that

>>157148343
You still don't have it? It's in Old Yharnam.

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>>157148309
Oh shit son, saved
Very nice

>>157148309
Watch that shading and form, anon. Try working on composition. The limbs look awkward and there's no definite light source.

>>157148468
not yet- combination of gitting gud and finding the time to play between class and work means I'm still at gascoigne

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>>157148309

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>>157148673
You'll be able to find it very soon.

>>157148606
>>157148647
>>157148973
Thank you guys.
I struggled a lot with his limbs because I didn't have a good reference, still trying to perfect my Ludwigs.

>>157148343
It's more a technicality than a complaint I'd say.

Rifle Spear is lots of fun.

Just don't talk about using it here because this general is for super serious fun-free competitive tournament-style PvP only.

>>157149328
You're going at a good pace, anon. Practice makes perfect. The smooth and clear lines you used are really working to your advantage, and you have a good grasp on them.

Have you ever tried inking your work? Use something like a micron and really bring out those lines. It will help push that contrast you have going on too.

>>157149328
Goddammit I wish I was talented

>tfw you parry their vial attempt

>>157149986
It's just work, anon. Hard, grueling work and dedication. Lots of failures, and the occasional success.

Practice, man. Don't sit there and wish for "talent". Work for it. Art isn't easy, but if you're willing to get good at it, you'll see results.

>>157149556
Thank you again for your kind words.
>Have you ever tried inking your work?
Yes, I also tried coloring but I still suck at it.
Digital painting used to be my main thing, but since my tablet broke two years ago I started practicing with ink and pencils.
I miss my tablet but I can't get a new one at the moment because I live in a desolate place where they just don't sell them, and I don't want to import one from the internet because I would like to try it before making such an important purchase.
It's a shame because since then Bloodborne became my favorite drawing subject, and there are so many /bbg/ themed images I wanted to make.

>>157152040
lewds when?

>>157152141
When the new tablet will arrive.
Let's do our best to keep /bbg/ alive and well until then.

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>invade burgerwurger
>he has Damien summoned
>kill host quickly
>Damien starts spamming Choir Bell

>>157148309
Fuckin noice, anon, saved

Is there a single worthwhile backstep-R1 or backstep-R2 in the game?

Backstepping in general has just been so worthless the entire series...

>>157153846
It's more for style, Ravioli stepping makes them a bit more easy to land.

>>157153846
Tricked Threaded Cane, both backstep R1 and R2 are thrust attacks with very long range.
Wheel and Bloodletter also have good attacks.

>>157154054
>Tricked Threaded Cane, both backstep R1 and R2 are thrust attacks with very long range.
Well I'll be damned, that's awesome.

>>157154194
Same with the tricked Beast Cutter, looks even longer.

>delayed molotovs don't stick to targets

why live?

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>>157150465
I've always wanted to get good at art
I used to draw alot but stopped in highschool
Thank you for your kind words anon

>>157155102
Not that anon, but I'm like you, used to draw a lot when I was younger, but stopped. Tried gitting gud again in /tg/ drawthreads, but they turned to cancer and I stopped going. Feels Badman. Did some stuff with an ink pen I liked though, best we can do is just practice.

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>>157155714
You're right dude, the least we can do is try

>>157155102
>>157155714
Give it a shot, the both of you. If you really want it, I damn well believe that you two can pull it off. You've done it once; you can do it again.

Don't let yourselves down. Start with the basics, line and shape, the elements of art. Then slowly go into the principles. Look at your favorite artists, and don't be afraid to imitate.

What if there was actually a hole in the geometry in the Hamlet that let you fall out of bounds and into the Nightmare where the snail girl landed?

Level 50 going at Isz ebreitas
Password: bbg
Going to ring for about 10 minutes

>>157156160
>tfw want to draw bloodborne monsters now

Thank you, anon

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>>157157867
Post 'em

Anyone else getting barely any action today? Is it because of the system update or some shit?

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>page n-nine, baka

>>157160368
It's a slow day.

>>157140260
I've never found an old great one cold blood...shiiiit

>>157161027
Spelunk more

>>157161027
get spelunking nigga

>>157161285
>>157161286
I've created at least 3 FRC Isz dungeons and done most of the notorious farming glyphs for abyssals...guess I just haven't looked hard enough and/or far enough

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>>157161604
>he thinks 3 FRC dungeons is much

>>157160471
For you

>>157161027
It's okay anon
I only have 46