/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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First for wild is FUN!
Come play with us, anon!
There's no shamans here, we promise!

top 100 for navioot

>>157031469
3rd for implsoion guy

Control Paladin is the answer to the Shamans and Druids, but attempt at your own risk, as Freeze Mage is back.

>>157031867

How does Freeze Mage even work in this meta? You'd get zerged down too quickly from my experience.

Can anyone add me so that I can spectate a game for the quest?

redjuice#21826 on EU

>>157031469
>try to play a control deck
>going against the greediest priest imaginable

yes, now i remember why everyone just goes aggro

>>157031827
Never 4getti

>>157032296
Dude take your waifufag shit to /aco/ or /trash/.

Seriously fuck off.

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Is Yogg/Malygos/Token Druid still using Yogg?

>>157032339

NoFunAllowed.jpeg

>>157032404
Yeh.

He's just as random and good as ever.

>>157032404
nobody, not even timmy's, are using yogg anymore

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>>157032509
>>157032546

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>>157032296
>hs
>good elves
Pick one.

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Yo /hsg/, the /vg/ soccer tournament is coming up and we need to update our memes.

Right now I'm just taking suggestions, they'll all be added to a poll in about 2 weeks to a month.

Pic Related is our current roster. The Gold outline means a very important player, the Silver outline means a mildly important player, and the rest is interchangeable stuffs.


Currently the only thing I've talked about with /hsg/ anons so far is the potential sacking of Barnes as Gold in favor of "Malygod", but that might be too hasty a decision.

Also we need to find a good song to play when we win. Currently it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_5sUcMpFXk but that can change.


Any/all /hsg/ soccer team info can be found at http://implyingriggedDOTinfo/wiki//hsg/

>>157032546
I mean, it's asia, but I was just watching the Last Call tournament for the region, and Yogg still has a decent presence.

>6 1-drops
>7 2-drops
>full mulligan a hand full of 5+ drops
>get none of them

Fuck arena right in the ass

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>>157031956
Beats mid shaman, basically. If you play against 10 shamans in a row, time to play freeze mage.
Midsham is a midrange deck and you eat them for lunch because they just can't pump the damage fast enough in the early game (ie they can't drop things faster than you can remove them/doomsayer since there just aren't that many small minions in the deck).
When they hit their power turns in the midgame, you've cycled into your blocks and novas and can stall them out long enough to pick up the required burn.
And keep in mind that you don't need to otk since they have no healing.

The downside is that mid shaman is the only popular midrange deck, and the only popular control deck is an auto-loss.
Against other combos you just race, and against aggro and hunter you just die.

Or you can embrace the dark side and play face mage. It's basically freeze mage, except aggro. Still beats shaman, and doesn't get destroyed by aggro since it can race.

>>157033120
Man playing Priest is true suffering

>>157032404
I think Yogg's still going to be played, but will be more rage inducing with the higher variance

>>157032769
Just went through some of that guy's video and I mean he's clearly a talented guitarist and all, but he's just covering famous songs to an irrelevant backtrack. Very misleading title, and shitty experience overall.

>get the worst opening hand as shaman versus zoo (thunderbluff, bloodlust, and flame tongue
>didn't draw claws, portals, but drew just one storm
>still win

what a balanced class. i love it

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man i would almost feel bad about this if they weren't running prince maymayzaar
i crackled him for 6
even the RNG couldn't resist a bit of BM

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>>157033797

>at one point zoo countered shaman

>>157033852
>flamestrike

>>157031681
I want to lick his feet

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>opponent misplays and it costs him the game

>>157033889
#YOLO baby
he played curator
might have been trying to play with a deck of as many kara cards as possible
makes me wonder how good an adventure-only deck from each expansion would be
maybe naxx > brm > loe > kara, or maybe brm over naxx

>>157033561

>Playing wild
>Control Warrior plays Yogg on an empty board because he was behind on cards
>Sprint
>Sprint again putting him into heavy fatigue
>Arcane shot itself
>Stormcrack itself

Even though it makes me rage when their Yogg doesn't dies, when its just 10 mana does nothing just feels so good

haven't seen a series with one player being carried by draws that much before

rip navi

are you fucking joking

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>>157034538
forgot pic because I'm fucked up

>>157033797
>get shit opening
>drew removal against zoo
who would've thought, removal is GOOD against control zoo. What a broken class shaman is

you know what i'm upset about? that we can't move our decks in our collection. i want to organize it by class but i can't without deleting every deck and starting over.

>>157034849
In shadowverse, you can simply copy a deck into another slot and delete the old one.

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>Control Warlock vs. Control Priest
>think this will be a boring game
>get Willfred Fizzlebang from Prince Malchezaar
>he lets me draw a 0 mana Bane of Doom
>BoD summons Jaraxxus
>he Entombs it
>both of us hit fatigue after a long, grueling game
>this happens
Hearthstone can be really fun sometimes.

i don't play a lot of arena, did the arena changes help at all?
are the class ranks still mage > rogue > paladin > anyone else?

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>>>>>>5 mana 8/8

>>157035058

Anon, the arena ranks are Mage >>>>>>> rogue > Shit

>>157035058
I don't know either but rogue was definitely above mage. I don't know how you could even say otherwise.

Currently 8-0 with rogue atm so it seems that it might still be the case.

>>157035096
Best used when splitting the counters so you cant get fucked by spot removal. Do like.

>>157035184
Nope. Mage is the best. And has been for a while. There's no way to beat the value of its class cards.
Rogue and warrior can definitely get god drafts but mage is best because even a shitty draft will pull tons of incredible cards like flamestrike, firelands, etc. Now on turn 7 you can't do anything. You play 1 big minion and get punished by firelands, or play multiple small ones and get flamestriked. Catch-22.

And at least for me, i usually get at least 1 firelands and 1 flamestrike in every mage draft. Even if the minions are the worst possible booty bay garbage the deck can ride to 3 wins just on the common spells.

>>157035486
I was speaking about before the changes. I haven't really touched arena in a couple months. Rogue was on top 100%.

Holy fuck playing Control Warrior is so boring.

How do you guys like playing this?

>>157035803
i don't understand it either
i guess it's more fun than cthun warrior at least

>>157035869
I'm winning with CW right now, but every match is really dull.

You're just hoping you keep on drawing more answers than he has threats.

>>157035982
i like pressing the tank up button and passing after my opponent floats 8 mana

>>157035803
My theory is that they spent so much trying to get it working that they're basically "forced" to enjoy it, like when you spend a ton of money in something, that something turns out to be lame but you have to pretend you enjoy it to convince others/yourself that you're not an idiot.
I myself got my control warrior only by unpacking stuff, the only thing I crafted (Justicar) was for pre-standard midrange paladin so it doesn't really count, and can say without bias that it's an extremely boring, dull, and uninteresting deck.

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How do I fix this

>>157035982
>>157036187
yeah i agree, the only fun part is the very end where you get to monkey up and play random bullshit

>>157035058
Mage >>> Rogue > Shaman > Warrior, Paladin > Druid, Warlock > Hunter, Priest

The changes decreased the power gaps between individual classes. Except Mage.

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Is this cthulu wannabe of any use?

Or is he 'free legendary of your choice tier'? 9 mana for a glorified taunt seems too steep even for the controlliest decks

>>157036895
He is good, I'd keep it unless you need a classic staple

>>157036895
He has meme uses but he is definitely not worth 1600 dust

>on my last win for paladin dominance
>play againt a mage that plays
>4 cabalist's tomes
>3 ice barriers
>4 blizzards
>3 polymorphs
>2 frost novas
>3 flame strikes

but i still won. didn't even feel good to win though. it was like winning against ebola. you're just glad it's over

>>157037025
Meh I play this game for so long I don't really any new cards anyway, having around 3000 dust and nothing new out there I wanna play is a special kind of misery

New expansion when blizzard?

He's gonna look swell though next to my golden rag and mukla

>>157036594
1. What the fuck are you doing with that deck? What is it supposed to be? Is there a unifying theme or idea behind it?
2. You have so many one-ofs you might as well remove the doubles and add Reno. But that's a terrible idea since paladin relies on a few ridiculously OP cards that you really need 2 of to survive. Try to use 2-ofs whenever possible to make your deck more consistent.
3. If you're trying to make an aggro deck, you need 2 divine favors. Otherwise don't even try. You can't flood the board without a way to refill your hand.
4. Take out tiger, king, shieldbearer, and stand against darkness. They're terrible cards.
5. Take out all the secrets. Unless you're using mysterious challenger, they're garbage (except for competitive spirit in eboladin). Seriously. Challenger was actually added so that people would play them.
6. Add wild pyro. Pyro-equality is the most comically overpowered board clear in the game and shits all over every honest deck. Even loatheb can't save them.
7. Remove holy light, it's bad. Yes even if it's your only healing.
8. Abusive sergeant, raid leader, steward of darkshire, and scarlet crusader only work well in eboladin (ie board-flooding aggro paladin).
9. Truesilver, equality, peacekeeper are great cards, add seconds when you can.
10. Add a second senjin, he's a pretty damn decent card from the classic set.
11. If you're making a midrange deck, you'll have no mid and late game after you take out the garbage. Add some neutrals for that. Even bog creepers.
12. Add blessings of wisdom. They're great when you're just starting out. Use them on both yours and the opponent's minions.
13. Add 1 or 2 blessed champions. They serve as an ad-hoc finisher when you have nothing else.
14. Make 2 of A Light in the Darkness. When you're new, these are fucking solid gold. They'll offer you amazing cards including tirion. Use them to fill the curve and get good lategame stuff.

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>>157036895

Why can't HS cards have good art, holy shit

The worst part is that most art is rehashed art from other IP's or literally just cropped art from other stuff

For fuck sakes, both shadowforms art are cropped from other card arts

>>157037541
>tiger
>terrible card
stopped reading

>>157037541
Fuck I'm shit at this

>>157037649
the worst is that malygos's art isn't even malygos

>>157037652
what are you gonna do with it? roleplay as valeera and BC it twice? that's about as honorable as a dozen charging murlocs

>>157037770
we all are at the start

>I live in the universe where we got a warcraft card game and not the universe where blizzard made a diablo card game

feels horrible lads

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Post meta killers

>>157036594
Just netdeck an aggro paladin to ahve a general idea of a working cheap paladin deck.

>>157038179
Is dragon breath here just for roleplaying purposes?

>>157038105
>the worst is that malygos's art isn't even malygos

Really man? I was never into wow, playing the game more for wacraft nostalgia and even that starts fading, with the more silly expansions coming out

Did blizzard ever respond to that? Malygos art being wrong and I guess a random dragon?

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>>157038105
>honorable
this is the most retarded meme all week

>>157038284
King Krush also isn't King Krush.

>>157038284
Malygos' art is Kalecgos, the current head of the blue dragonflight and essence of magic after Malygos was corrupted then defeated.

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>>157038105
>the worst is that malygos's art isn't even malygos

Don't make me sad anon, I already hate this game's art and how bad they handle it

>>157038268
mostly, but you can do some neat things against cotw/thunderbluff/sea giant with flamestrike

>>157038378
Malygos wasn't corrupted, he was just a dick because every time someone that wasn't DRAGONS used magic the apocalypse nearly started, and he was right, RIGHT!

>>157038378
>>157038520
Didn't Malygos turned crazy after the Scourge put the blue dragonflight near extinction to fuel their frost wyrms army?

>>157038520
Pretty sure his insanity had something to do with Yogg-Saron. Either way he declared war on all the mages and shit and then got shit on and replaced by Kalec

>>157038354
that's the funniest one
>WOWTCG dev: hey draw me a velociraptor
>dumbass artist: ok sure
>dumbass artist: here you go
>WOWTCG dev: what the fuck, this is a t-rex
>WOWTCG dev: whatever i guess we'll run it anyway
[some time later]
>Brode: hmmm i need some t-rex art
>Brode: oh this one's perfect!
And that's how Krush's card art isn't Krush, but it looks more like him than the character it's actually supposed to be

is shadowverse really that good? i'm a bit burned out of hearthstone

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>>157037649

>>157038756
Yes.

>>157038756

I haven't touched it yet, but looking Kripp crack some boosters there was some great design on the cards, really fun and a LOT more creative than any shit Team 5 poops out

And the matches themsleves are a lot more cool than LELRANDUM

>>157038756
do you like smashing yetis into each other?

>>157038905
>>157038852
I'm seeing reynad praise it a lot and i don't know if its out of reynad being salty towards hearthstone and the grass being greener on the other side or if it's actually decent

I guess ill just try it out

>voidcaller pulls malganis
Every. God. Damn. Time.

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>>157038782

I hate this art so fucking much

>Weird and dumb pose
>Proportions don't make any fucking sense

>It's another game of shamans magic one mana card that snowballs the game
Can you guess which one it was? XD

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>lose to hunter because his elekk pulled fucking thaurissan which discounted his cotw

>>157039171
I lost to fucking tempo mage who played tuskarr and got thaurizzan, honestly fuck this game

>>157038976
>just silence him :^]

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>>157039240
I would love for this game to get more hate cards

>>157039154
oh come on, trogg isn't bad at all
people only complain since it's a shaman card
it doesn't even make the top 10 of "most broken 1-drops"

>>157039308

>Narrow cards in a game with no sideboard

I already hate putting Harrison and Eater of secrets in decks

>>157039403

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>157039308
Why wouldn't I just take regular spellbreaker and be able to silence everything with just one mana more

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Aww.

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>>157039452
After the memes fade, it's still a worse mana wyrm. Only good in aggro decks.
Most midrange lists go for squires instead.

And just play a bit of wild if you want to see some truly brutal openings.
Ever taken 18 to the face on turn 2?

what sort of posts am i meant to make in this thread?

>>157039403
Trogg would be fine if it was +1 attack per overload card and not per overloaded crystal.

The big snowball happens with spirit wolves which on its own is simply average, but giving trogg +2 attack pushes it over the edge when it also protects trogg behind two taunts.

Rockbiter was the wrong target. Trogg should have been nerfed.

>>157040016
Isn't rockbiter 2 mana now?

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Would this make Cho'Gall playable?
Probably needs more 5+ mana spells

>>157039964
that's nice, my opponent just played a yogg against me and did 15 damage to face drew all his burn then proceeded to put up secrets to protect his yogg, I don't hate the idea of yogg I just hate that it has such high variance

Non-hunter decks where Medivh works?

>>157040209

Every Mage deck

>>157040209
DRUID
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Sit on my face an grind your box into my nose like you're juicing a lemon.

>>157040156
>c'thun
>then bran this
i was going to point out how retarded this combo would be, but then i realized that everything that buffs c'thun is also battlecrys, so in a c'thun deck you'll probably just end up buffing c'thun again.

>>157040106
>>157040149
Rockbiter was definitely a wrong target.
I can't think of a single instance of someone seriously suggesting it should be nerfed, and that's counting all the way back to naxx.
The ridiculous thing is that shaman's basic+classic set is already the worst in the game.
They fucked up by adding massively broken cards in the expansions then tried to "fix" it by nerfing an evergreen.
A goddamn clown show.

But about trogg: it's hard to think of a nerf that wouldn't make it unplayable (which i assume we don't want since we're not blizz). Maybe making it a 1/2 to start with?

>>157038990

Such critique.

Art isnt about accuracy. Its about how the overall composition makes you feel. I think the artist did an excellent job here with the colors and dynamic positioning of visual elements. You can almost virtually see the image move.

>>157040486
C'thun battlecry is equal to its attack, so with this card it would be 3 damage

>>157040386
>>157040386
Nice idea but too stronk for practically 1 mana

>>157040486
>>157040647
Also there is a huge risk of getting +2/+2 or whatever battlecries you used to buff your c'thun.

>>157039840

Because you dropped Wrathguard on turn 2 and want to milk excellent value for your mana.

>>157040648

Priest need all the help they can get and I like the idea because it's shits all over aggrofaggots.

But yeah you might be right. Maybe something like "immune during your opponent's turn" or something

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Shit

>>157040723
Is playing a subpar 3 drop in the class with IGBs and Councilmans as premium 3 drops worth it to save yourself some face damage? Don't worry, I'll answer for you: no.

>>157041004

Pray for Polymorph

>>157041004
Holy shit, one season or the other I should de-rank to 20 at the start of the season because honestly this looks pretty fun

>>157041109

Gee is 5 ranks too much to bear

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>>157040386
>>157040747
>it shits all over aggrofaggots
Yeah, and alex's champion is a great removal tool for control decks.
Stop and think. Think about freeze mage. Ice block.
Cards like this PUNISH slower decks, and REWARD aggro decks.

They encourage kamikaze strategies that do not attempt to survive into the late game by removal, value, etc, but just to prevent the opponent from attacking long enough to slaughter them with direct damage.
This is easier to accomplish against a midrange or control deck.
It's much harder to do it against an aggro deck, since they push a sustained offense from turn 1.

Aggro decks all destroy freeze mage. Do you think they're scared of priest getting an ice block? Nope.
But the midrange decks that are supposed to keep aggro in line ARE scared of this.
That's what many people don't understand about meta balancing, and what i suspect brode & co might not understand either.

>>157041579

>ice block the same as immune during a turn

tl;dr I picked up you being a dumbass though

Holy fuck I just noticed that the Deadly Fork deathrattle animation is the Ashbringer going into the Rogue's hand.

Is Team 5 THAT fucking lazy?

>>157041689
I wonder what proportion of Team 5 actually does the gruntwork designing of the game and how much are marketing and middle managers who do nothing

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>>157041636
Then let me put it in very small words for you.
You think more stalls = less aggro.
But in reality, more stalls = more aggro.
Understand now?

>>157041689
Hey we just did A massive balance patch give us a break

Can someone pretty please give me a fun control Mage list? With Medivh naturally.

>>157041837

apparently of the 70ish people on team 5, over 50 are doing animation

>>157042067
>fun
Lol
The best one is probably just freeze mage with medivh

>Tempostorm puts out their new lists
>Every second deck is new Shaman list
The nerfs did nothing.

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>>157042124
HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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>>157042124
wait, is this the first time a deck has literally been in a tier of its own?

>>157042280
In standard, yes. In wild Secret paladin has been the single tier 1 for months now.

Why is ONiK so fucking shit? Why can't all expansions be as good as LoE? Who the fuck designed LoE? Put them in charge of every fucking expansion.

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>>157042376
>In wild Secret paladin has been the single tier 1 for months now.
B-but Tempostorm says...

>>157042568
Oh nervermind, I was thinking about some other website.

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Guys when the rotation hits will LoE be standard for another year?

>>157042067
Reno mage

>>157042710
Take a WILD guess.

>>157042710
>Hearthstone release - March 11, 2014
4 months, 11 days
>Curse of Naxxramas - July 22, 2014
4 months, 16 days
>Goblins vs. Gnomes - December 8, 2014
3 months, 25 days
>Blackrock Mountain - April 2, 2015
4 months, 22 days
>The Grand Tournament - August 24, 2015
2 months, 19 days
>League of Explorers - November 12, 2015
5 months, 14 days
>Whispers of the Old Gods - April 26, 2016
3 months, 16 days
>One Night in Karazhan - August 11, 2016
>Expansion - November 2016
>Expansion / 2015 cards rotate out - April 2017
>Adventure - August 2017
>Expansion - November 2017

Is the spellpower or draw more important on Thalnos? I have all the cards required for aggro freeze except for him and my dust went towards crafting Cairne.

>>157042710
you and everybody else wishes
at least it's taking down flamewaker and shaman with it

>>157042943
Both
The reason he's used in so many decks is because he has both
If you don't have him, just replace him with either one

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>>157042568
>there are people that are still crying about warsong nerfs
>when Patron warrior is not only still viable but a tier 1 deck in wild

>>157042867
doesn't reno mage have cycle problems

one loot hoarder, arcane intellect and one acolyte of pain is all you can really run

>>157043010
but my fun and interactive OTK

>>157042942
Blizzard sure hit the panic button when The Grand Dusting bombed

Golden Cthunk

Y/N?

>>157043030
Works for me, heavy curve.

>>157043169

TGT was pretty hilarious, I've gone back and listened to a few interviews of their hopes for it and people left and right swearing the game would slow down

>>157043169
for sure

supposedly the month it came out Hearthstone made $20 million, that is the last report about how much money hearthstone makes each month, even up until now they havent commented on how much its made from Karazhan or Whispers

I'm willing to bet their revenue peaked at that 20 mil and they have never hit it again

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>Aggro Freeze Mage

>>157043453
can you share the list, please?

>>157043509
Savjz october reno mage list.

Djinn shaman new meta

Anyone else winning and losing in streaks? It's fucking annoying! I just won 12 in a row followed by losing 14 in a row. This shit happens every fucking day.

>>157043918
That should still be a net gain if you're above rank 5, because bonus stars.

>>157044089

I wish, I get to rank 12-ish and fall back to 20. Then I just repeat the same shit over and over again.

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>tfw playing Midrange Shaman against any deck that isn't Midrange Shaman
How is this even allowed?

>>157044136
hero power became way to oppressive now that they've got a 1mana fiery war axe p. much guarantees flametongue value

Freeze Mages kys

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Loving these professional matches. All aggro face decks, one just getting luckier than the other.

Blizzcon will be so much fun.

>>157044297
If I keep watching maybe one day a memer will win the tournament and it will all be worth it

>>157044297
>Asia-Pacific
lma0 who gives a shit

6 Ice Blocks in one game, how the fuck is this balanced?!?!??

>>157044530
>hearthstone
who gives a shit

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>>157044637
>balance
>hearthstone
>implying

>>157044182
While spirit claws are a part, they're not a big part of the "problem"
We've just gotten used to the status quo of "synergy" in the game being nothing more than lots of low cost minions and life tap. There have been synergy memes like dragons, but ultimately midrange shaman now has the first real class synergy, and no one has anything that can compete. And unfortunately, Blizzard will now cycle through all the other classes, giving them the same broken synergy but each will in turn cycle out and return to being shit.

Is hex literally the best removal in the game?

Hex
3 mana non-death removal
cons: leaves 0/1 with taunt

Polymorph
4 mana non-death removal
cons: leaves 1/1

Entomb
6 mana non-death removal, lengthens your deck, annoys CWs
cons: tempo loss, risky liability against aggroshitters. rotates out of standard next year.

Hunter's mark
1 mana
cons: death. requires you to deal at least 1 damage to the target

Execute
2 mana
cons: death. requires the target to have taken at least 1 damage

Shield Slam
1 mana
cons: requires you to already have board control

Special case: Swipe
4 mana
Most versatile removal. Can be used to damage heroes, clear the board, or remove fairly large single targets

>>157044948
Fun fact, there used to be shitters that actually believed polymorph was better removal because you could attack through the sheep.

>>157044948
>not SJW:Pain

Pally or shaman?

no expacs available cards

>>157044948
can't kill Soggoth with hex :^)

>>157036187
I havent played control warrior in a while, completely forgot how it works and decided to qeue with a self made cw. First game went for over 30 minutes. Back to Nzoth pally it is

>>157045046

SW:Pain is a shitty removal for paranoid players.

>>157045257
what the fuck is a turn nine fucking fatigue players

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rate my wild deck :3

>>157045345
it's bad

>>157045345
counters everything def tier 1

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>>157042280
>wait, is this the first time a deck has literally been in a tier of its own?
Shaman used to be alone in Tier 4 or 5 before TGT came out.

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Usually I lose, but not today.
Pondering taking out yogg and putting Rag.

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>>157044948
We've traditionally had 3 or 4 tiers for hard removal.
>Premium (aka remove-from-play)
Hex, Polymorph, Entomb
>Excellent
Execute, Shield Slam
>Good
SW:P, SW:D
>Vaguely acceptable
Hunter's mark, deadly shot, mulch, assassinate

>>157045345
you're a disgrace to the Light

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>I will fight with honour
:^)

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>>157045595
paladin's last 3 top decks have been
>eboladin
>secret
>anyfin
wew man
uther hasn't fought with honor for a long time

>>157045345

needs
2x avenge
2x knife gigolos
2x mustard
1x coghammer

remove corrupted seer. its a good card, just not for this OTK centered deck

either 2 secret keepers or replace the single with argent squire

remove eater of secrets; if meta demands it, replace with Kezan Mystic/Harrison/Loatheb

either have df or solemn vigil not both; an understated effect of Mr 6. is that he already shortens your deck considerably

Absolutely needs Tirion.

>>157040614
Its the same for manawyrm, Look in MTG cards like this have MAX DMG 3.

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>faggot's portrait keeps lighting up all game
>spends every turn emoting like a childish faggot
>faggot has no idea that he was squelched before I drew my first card
bless this holy feel.

>>157042280
>>157045491
It amazes me how far Shaman has come since TGT. The class seemed almost unsalvageable.

Now that's Priest when it comes to Standard.

>>157040614
>The ridiculous thing is that shaman's basic+classic set is already the worst in the game.
Actually it's one of the most balanced ones, not too strong but not too weak either.

I literally can't stop playing bad tier 5 decks even though i'm losing all the time please help

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They want me to stop playing this?

Tfw I average 1 arena win over 15 arena runs. How does everyone get the Renos and other fucking bullshit legendaries while I draft absolutely useless cards?

>>157046407
>tfw renounce darkness is epic

Why did I have to get the shitty Twisting Nether instead

>>157046460
Reno is not a good card in arena

RENOUNCE DARKNESS

Guys, guys, while on the topic of secret paladins, I have had this idea for warlocks abusing a similar mechanic.

So, one of the less appreciated reasons why Mr.6 improved paladin win-rate in constructed so much was because he was a 6 mana card that helped to remove the majority of 1 mana draws from your deck. This gave secret pallys the advatage of a very strong early game from having those 1 mana cards whilst removing their liability later on, allowing you to have both a very strong early game and very strong mid-game and increases your odds of drawing on curve.

Now come back to Warlock, right. So, what if we use Renounce Darkness in the same way as Mr6. I.e. we fill a mid-range warlock deck with strong 1,2 mana Warlock cards for strong early game tempo. When you reach mid/late game, you cast renounce darkness and remove all the 1,2 mana cards, preventing you from ever drawing into them. There is a chance that the new class cards will be 1,2 mana cards too, but then they would at worst be on par with the ones you had removed.

Thoughts?

>>157043010
Warsong nerf is arguably retarded.
Literally a worse Raid leader.

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>>157046369
are we talking about the same thing
basic/classic set
as in, without TGT
without LoE
without whispers
without kara

>>157046585
the problem is that warlock has never had a midrange deck and never will
the class is not conducive to it
if neutrals were good, dragon priest would be good

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>>157046585
sounds bad, but interesting enough.
do you have a prototype list or something? will be easier to see the idea functioning

>Priest or paladin dominance.
What the fuck am I supposed to do?! Dont have anyfin and priest suck ass

>>157046859
make dragon/wallet paladin
go 5-15

>>157046859
Resurrect priest is gud enuff to do it.

>>157046585
Its a retarded deck and people have already thought of that. You're basically a zoolock who throws all his synergies out the window for random cards halfway through the game when you're better off being zoo. Turns out 1 mana discounts don't compensate for shitty class cards

>>157046836
Demon Zoolock was midrange

>>157046859
Play Wild for that quest. You won't be seeing Client Sinistres nor El Mysteriosos at rank 25

>>157046859
Play in wild where paladin and priest are tier 1?

>>157046859
Play wild. Even if you have a shitty deck, just go ranked wild and mow down rank 25 nubs.

>>157046748
Shaman was very middle of the road back in classic. It was carried by super strong cards like hex and fire ele, but also had real stinkers.

It was one of the stronger arena classes though.

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>>157046913
>Demon Zoolock was midrange
to me demonzoo will never be Aggro, Midrange, Control, or Combo
it will always be Bullshit

>>157047143
Well turn 4 Mal'Ganis from Voidcaller into turn 5 Mal'Ganis from Bane of Doom is admittedly bullshit

>rank 7
>Log in, lose 6 games in a row to shaman RNG shit. If they need a healing totem they 100% get it, if they need spell, they get it. Taunt. You name it.

Fuck these nigger shamans. These nerfs did nothing.

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how many

>>157047280
The nerf to Tuskarr Totemic did nothing but make it easier for them to buff their spells/claws.

>>157047280
The nerfs did nothing because shaman's bullshit is based around totemic might now.

>>157047445
Stop this meme. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxsFH_oFybI

>>157047450
Stop this meme too. Totemic might is only worth a deck slot in token totem shaman decks, which suffered quite a bit from the nerfs. Look at the tourney lists for example.

>>157047627
Yet despite this autistic math which is used in relevance to the OLD Tuskarr and not on the performance of the entire deck, the card is still actively played in Mid Shaman and has not been replaced like "pros" said it would.

>>157047627
I'm can't sit here and watch a dude with a heavy lisp for an hour talk about totems bro.

>>157047627
>he tries to convince mid shaman players that they arent hilariously bullshit.

The only deck I don't run circles around is another midrange shaman.

I'm riding this all the way down.

>>157047627
The problem with that video has been discussed many times, sure that the Tuskarr that summoned non basic totems won the game, but how many of those were mirrors matches? How many of those games the shaman was actually behind and need Tuskarr to roll a good totem to win?

The fact that Shaman is still tier 1 and most of it's decks still use tuskarr means that it was all for nothing.

>>157047834
>the card is still actively played in Mid Shaman
I've played against a lot of shamans since the nerf and have only seen tuskar in 1 game.

>>157047920
Freeze Mage is also decent against shaman, too bad it instantly loses against control warrior.

>>157048001
>Stories from rank 20

>>157048001
Anecdotal evidence.

Every MShaman I've played has had Tuskarr. They now use it as a double roll for WOA Totem by going Tuskarr > Hero Power and it often gets them that annoying little fucking piece of shit.

>>157048109
>tfw spirit claws made thalnos even more of a must craft, made one hero power totem way better than the others, and made midrange more popular than aggro all by itself

>>157047983
This
Though I would make the argument that tuskar potentially still being playable due to increased reliability on spellpower is irrelevant. The on curve play becomes muddy with totem golem and thing from below. The off curve play becomes suboptimal as you can sub in reliable spell power or heavy hitters. And in either case of more traditional midrange or token midrange he loses his place for more optimal cards.

It really becomes a case of shaman doesn't need him.

Everyone else having issues connecting to the game? I seem to lose every 10th or so ranked because the game finds a match but refuses to let me connect.

>>157049000
That's called drop hack, don't disconnect. Just stay there.

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>>157047920
Wait, what? I'm not trying to convince you shaman isn't broken. I'm trying to convince you tuskarr isn't good anymore.
In fact, it's because shaman is so broken that people can run poor cards like the new tuskarr and still destroy everything in their way.
Tuskarr is only good for filling the curve now, because shaman doesn't have a better 3-drop. He's not a power card anymore.
Let's try this: would you play pic related? What if it had one more attack?
If tuskarr was a TGT neutral, he would be dropped like a redheaded stepchild. People only think he's good because of the blue background. That's it.

>>157047983
Yes, discussed by the kind of people who need to beg for tyrande codes because their parents won't let them use their credit cards.
There is no reason to exclude mirror matches from the sample, because a deck must play against the entire field. To know how good tuskarr is, we must know how good he is against shaman, arguably even more than against the other 8 classes since shaman is the most played. Excluding mirror matches would make the video LESS valid.
As for what board position the shaman was in, they simply included all of them. We can break down *when* it's best to play him, but the point of the video is to explain to us *what* shamans were rolling for by playing tuskarr. And the answer is a non-basic totem.
>it was all for nothing.
Absolutely. Imho Brode didn't even try, he wants to ride this until the rotation, then start the cycle with another class.

A 3/2 and a 0/2 for 3 just doesn't cut it for mid shaman decks anymore. Every shaman I've run into from ranks 10 - 5 plays spirit wolves instead because you're more likely to gain board control from two 2/3s with taunt rather than what Tuskarr spawns you, and playing Tuskar for WOA is taking an unecessary risk in the mid-game because once you roll something other than WOA you instantly lose.

>>157049075
Actually the idea behind excluding mirror matches is to provide a control sample. What if shaman is so bullshit that regardless of totem they won against non shamans 55-60% of the time, but in mirror matches the totem that tuskar pulled actually mattered and that's where the big discrepency between basic and non basic came from. The idea isn't to invalidate the test by excluding mirror matches, it's to further validate the data by providing context.

>>157049075
On turn 5, you can use tuskarr totemic and use heropower to have two totems on one turn.
With fencing coach you can have only one totem.

>>157049385
>>157049075
>>157048318
>>157048109
I've seen less and less Tuksarrs around and stopped playing it myself after some testing.
He's just too fair right now. I don't want fair cards in my shaman. I only want absolute unfair bullshit cards, and I have plenty of those.

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How do we make innerfire priest viable?

>>157049504
But on turn 5 you can use fencing coach, hero power and summon a Totem Golem, which you can't with the new Tuskarr.

>>157049707
>2 cards is better than 1
Thanks, didn't think of that earlier.

>>157049707
>Play Coach>HP>Totem Golem
>End up with a 2/2, a random basic totem and a 3/4

>Play Tuskarr>Totem Golem
>End up with a 3/2, a random basic totem and a 3/4

Are you pretending to be retarded or what?

>>157049075
>Yes, discussed by the kind of people who need to beg for tyrande codes because their parents won't let them use their credit cards.
what the fuck, triggered?

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>>157049504
>double hero power turn 3
might as well emote "the light shall burn you" while you're at it

>>157049634
it's already viable
in single player

I haven't laddered this season but my first impulse which hasn't seemed wrong so far is just to ram horserider instead of totemic
It's semisticky turn 3 in the same way, and it's 2 damage from hand if you would have wanted the flametongue roll off tuskarr
It just happens to get +2 attack from flametongue and not thunder bluff

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Would this work in Resurrect Priests?

The idea is that it comes back stronger every time you resurrect it

>>157049634
Probably the most retarded class to give aura to.

Even more retarded would be rogue, but they already have conceal.

>>157050493
>might as well emote "the light shall burn you" while you're at it
And than play 0 mana 5/5 taunt + Thunder Bluff or Bloodlust next turn.

>>157050667
Priest needs cards that don't rely on another card to work

Why has dragon priest been on every tempo storm list for the past year, literally no one on ladder is playing Dragon priest

>>157050710
I don't know why people keep forgetting that shaman has a shitload of cards that has synergy with totem summon.

>>157050862
It's a very strong deck, i've played it on ladder.

>0 win arena shaman has two hex, tunnel trogg, spirit claws, thunder bluff

>>157050968
Everyone's gotta start somewhere

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>>157050968
>0/2 Priest has Ysera

>>157050667
>When this minion dies, give it +2/+2 wherever it is. Make it also a lego and adjust the stats.

If you don't have the wherever it is, like C'Thun does, you will get a 2/2 after resurrect since HS doesn't remember what happened to the cards. All buffs/debuffs are lost on death since the game doesn't actually resurrects THAT minion, it just summons a base line minion of that kind.
That's why Moat Lurker doesn't keep his deathrattle after a resurrect.

>>157050968
Yes, because when you start arena, no matter what deck you have, you start at 0 wins.

Why are people so surprised that they face a good deck on 0 wins? i would kinda understand if it was a 0/2, but just 0 wins means he just started and everyone has to start at some point.

>>157050862
just went and checked and they have some pretty... interesting takes on the meta
>miracle rogue better than aggro shaman and cthun warrior
>midrange hunter in same tier as dragon priest
>face hunter better than all of the above
>nzoth rogue better than all of the above
that shit might all be true with the meta so volatile, but it makes ya wonder

HOW HAVE THEY STILL NOT FIXED THE COIN FUCKING UP YOUR ENTIRE HAND LIKE HOLY SHIT

ded gaem
lolistone when

I really fucking hate tempo mage literally every fucking card in their deck has spell damage

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>mryagut managed to get to rank 11 legend with this deck
what the fuck? how?
is this real?

>>157052140
IS this real? Seems more like one of those 'he played a meme deck in legend' type of deals

>>157052140
>rank 11
not too impressive tbqh
most likely he won games by curving out with dragons while not drawing garbage cards

>>157052140
>He played midrange shaman up to legend 9
>He switched to meme Priest
>He lost and went back to legend 11

Here, now you have your Purify Priest at rank 11 legend.

>>157052140
Legend is easier than ladder because a lot of people experiment with meme decks

>>157052140
he played pirate warrior and face hunter most of the way into legend

then played some of this at rank 1, he played this before too

unless he went on some crazy streak its just a decent deck he was managing to win some games with at higher ranks

Why is shaman allowed to have ridiculous early game and sport 4 AoE's at the same time?

>>157052140
I admire Mr. Yagut so much and I think he shows you can have SOME skill in this children's game, so you might have a different result, that deck is really creative too.

Daily reminder that Freeze mage is the ubermensch deck of hearthstone.

>>157053197
*unter

>>157051690
They'll fix it when the game isn't made in Unity.

>>157053197
freeze mage is the ultimate cancer
fighting shaman with freeze mage is like fighting fire with gasoline

>>157053197
The what?

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>people get butthurt over emotes
some of them post here

>>157053197
Freeze mage is the absolute most cancerous deck in Hearthstone. The only reason I begrudgningly accept control warrior existence is because as long as it'll exists freeze mage will be forced to be shit. Hopefully next rotation the deck will die for good with the death of Thaurissan. That will also kill Justicar, wich is big part of why CW is cancerous, so that's 2 birds with one stone really.

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Should Control Warrior players be euthanised?

>>157053581
Literally the only good Control deck left

>>157053424
>people get analblasted by certain decks so much that they sperg autisticaly on a gregorian chanting-based internet forum

>>157053581
Yes
>>157053687
Cheating and going above the health cap is not good design. Maybe when Justicar will get the boot I'll go back to have some respect for the deck, but right now it's utmost cancer.

First come first served
80 free gold
TripleAych #2118 EU

>>157053784
Added, was I not fast enough?

>>157053835
nope sorry

>>157053782
>Cheating
what do you want, armor removed from the game completely?

>>157053782
>utmost cancer
says the combo player who wants to burst people down from 30 hp off an empty board

How much would a hearthstone account with every meta card cost?

>>157054549
50-100

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?
;:^)
Wow memed

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>it's another "numale listens to terrible music and """""mains""""" Priest" episode

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>p-please guys, you have to understand that the game is not competitive, and so we will keep pandering to casuals, and keep the card design shitty and not ballance anything when needed
>hey guys check out this competitive tournament
what the actual fuck is wrong with team 5?

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>>157054632
Okay so by "Arena balance" they mean "turn it into constructed" after these two Netherwing Historians

>every time blizzard releases a minion that needs to battlecry to be worth the mana theyre nerfing forbidden shaping

how do they get away with it

>>157054730
>make timmy card
>turns out it's actually playable
>nerf it
I cri ery tme

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>>157053197
>Opponents thinks his safe because I didn't play Thaurissan yet.
>Thalnos, Roaring torch X 2 + Frostbolt.

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Does this fedora warrior look alright? What do you think is missing?

>>157055527
Surely not a premium subscription to Tempostorm.com (become legendary)

>>157055223
>mage egtting rekt in arena
pottery

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>>157055880

>>157055880
feels good mang

>>157055527
looks fine

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Is Yogg worth it?

>>157056057

Fuck Yogg. I refuse to believe he's still good.

>playing against control warrior as miracle rogue
>knock him down to 1 hp
>he uses the portal spell
>priest of the feast
>whirlwind
>execute
>execute
Kills off van cleef and my questing adventurer at 10+ attack and I'm unable to win since he just started stacking armor and HP from priest. The RNG in this game is so aggravating sometimes.

>>157056057
no

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>>157055880
>>157055954
>>157055992

>>157056197
>Fuck Yogg. I refuse to believe he's still god.

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>>157056728
Wrong picture but the right picture nevertheless

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>this makes me sad

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Rate my OC

>>157056057

You can click create and then click Undo to see what the animation looks like.

The moment you leave the creation window the Undo disappears though.

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>>157057412
kek

>>157057412
>3/3 for 1 mana
not in a million yen

>>157045345
Has Murlocs and is good/10

>>157053540
It's interactive but the best decks in HS will always have minimal interaction required.

Is standard control warrior an option or is my only choice in the current meta to run n'zoth like almost every other control deck?

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>fedora warrior roping every turn
>paletress pulls nozdormu
>I CHOOSE DEATH!

>im playing anyfin paladin
>vs nzoth paladin
>he suddenly plays brann and ivory knight
>i can't see the second card he picked because he's at full health
>i anyfin to pressure him
>'thank you'
>anyfin can happen
>created by ivory knight

I'm not even mad, that's awesome.

>>157059223
its better with N'Zoth, yes

>>157059412
>playing instawin decks
Cancer

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>tfw just opened another Yogg
1715 dust pack, seems good.

>>157059492
Everything is cancer in this game.

>>157059578
sauce?

>>157059223
dont play control warrior right now
in general you get fucked by everyone right now
the only good matchup on ladder is freeze and maybe zoo

>>157059412
just trade and play the second anyfin for otk?

>>157059767
Little Witch Academia
It's not porn, just cute high school witches.

>>157059412
>losing to rng is awesome
if you say so

>>157060010
i figured that gif was a zone flash or something

>>157059990
He killed me right away, two bluegills was 20 and he had ashbringer, i wasn't entirely full hp

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>finally decide to pony up the dust for mill rogue
>first two matches are C'thun Druid and Golden Control Warrior

THANK YOU based Blizzard

>Having fun at 6-2 with prince memeazar in arena.
>Seems pretty good. I have lethal next turn and plenty of hp.
>Fireball, Fireball, Frostbolt, minion attack.

What the fuck...Well bye Prince...

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Rank 5 haven't been easier than with this, few ppl expect control/nzoth pally.

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>>157060482
>30 minute long games

>>157060428
>~15 hp versus mage
>plenty

lol

I just started playing, it's fun as hell but how does crafting work and how do I get different cards?

>>157061221
>arena

>>157061268
yeah exactly so no 2-limit on cards

>>157061242

Get packs
Dust cards you don't want
Use dust to make cards you do want

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>tfw yogg doesnt die but still sucks

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>Lifecoach on "official" German livestream of the Asian tourney
>Talks about quitting hearthstone, because the game is so shit and just not fun anymore

>>157061814
got a timestamp and link for it?

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>>157057412
>>157057726
i think i've said this before but don't compare OC (or new cards) to garbage
It's facetious and pointless
cogmaster's wrench is a laughable piece of shit that only saw play through blingtron
it'd be more rational to compare things to booty bay bodyguard, which is a much better card
here's a more useful comparison

>>157061923
lifecoach1981/v/94084677
Just watched the first 15 minutes as of now. Pretty much the entire thing is gold, considering he starts off with "well we skipped the first 6 hours because literally no one cares about the asian hearthstone scene anyways".

Really hope he talks about making money again. Would say thats rather interesting from a selfmade millionaire

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HAHAAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA