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Forestcraft is fun!

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>>156836115
Agreed

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Best girl.

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>>156836223
I still dont get it; why play that card in forest craft?

>>156836293
>turn millions of fairies into shadows
>PtP
>win

>>156836293
Fairy generation + altered fate = easy shadows without burning real cards while also drawing real cards

>>156836347
But doesnt shadowcraft only have the shadow mechanic? How would you get the shadows?

>>156836493
shadows are for everyone, but shadow is the only class that consumes them for necromancy

>>156836493
Every class makes shadows. Shadowcraft just is the only one that actually makes use of them besides the neutral card PtP.
Do they just not explain this very well in the game?

>>156836493
Press and hold over your deck or your opponent's deck. It displays shadow count. Cards sent to the "graveyard" are shadows.

>>156836493
Every class has shadows, created whenever something is discarded or destroyed. Only Shadowcraft has cards that directly interact with shadows and use them for Necromancy.

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>>156836293
>>156836493

>this question is asked every single thread

>>156836591
>>156836581
>>156836539
I seenow; thanks anons. I always assumed only shadowcraft could make shadows because it was the only class that had a visual shadow counter.

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What can I tech in as amulet removal as Dragoncraft? Is pic related or Odin just too bad to play right now?

>>156836695
Shadowcraft's gimmick is that they can "spend" shadows. Other classes can still use cards that activate once you have enough shadows.

>>156836782
If you're teching to beat Havencraft you want Odin because destroying amulets just activates them for Haven. Gotta banish them

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>you will never be seduced by a tiny fairy
>you will never hear her squeal in delight at the sight of your erect penis, which appears far too big for her
>you will never have a fairy rub her tiny body against your throbbing member, placing kisses all along its length
>you will never see a fairy's belly bulge as you penetrate her, her cute face in pure bliss
>you will never be worried about your fairy partner's comfort, but begin thrusting when you hear her voice urge you onwards
>you will never hear a fairy scream in pleasure, telling you to treat her like a cock sleeve
>you will never climax inside a fairy, then cuddle together on the soft forest earth

>>156836923
Arent fairies to small to have sex with? Wouldnt they just literally get torn in half?

>>156836923
that sounds as akward as wardrobe sex

>>156836923
>She will never fist your urethra

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>>156836923
heep

>>156836923
How do you cuddle with something smaller than your dick

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>>156836682
sorry

>>156837043
fairies are like 90% magic so their bodies are elastic and totally built for it.

>>156837116
Love finds a way.

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>wake up
>no steam release
>no steam news
>no steam nothinh

>>156836539
>>156836581
but WHY

Why does a Neutral card use shadows? It'd be like a Neutral Spellboost card.

Neutral 3/2/1 Aiela when?

>>156837528
While Black makes use of the graveyard the most, sometimes the other colors like to play around with it too you know?

>>156837089
I never realized before that the fairy has a fucking sword.

>>156834416
>We've attracted the dumbest of the Hearthstone players.
yeah, I noticed when you started spouting the same tired talking points every moronic miraclefag resorts to about how patrician combo decks are

I'll be honest, I don't know anyone in person who plays primarily combo in digital card games, but I know a lot of Magic players, and I know a lot of Magic. And in a sense, yes, it is literally true that combo decks require more intelligence of their players and give a higher max payout for the use of intelligence. But the thing is, most serious players are above the skill floor that constitutes the bare minimum required to pilot combo, and below the skill ceiling where creature-based decks don't allow you to benefit from the full depth of your expertise. So their preferred deck type has no particular relation to their intelligence.

People play the game, they have an idea of their gameplan and how it's progressing, they have an idea of their opponent's gameplan and how it's progressing, and both players in a matchup have to consider both sides of that matchup regardless of which deck happens to be theirs. That's how things go. While certain things are true about combo decks in the abstract, that means nothing for combo players in the particular, and there is no reason for you cunts to strut around talking like you're God's gift to card games.

>>156837747
>there is no reason for you cunts to strut around talking like you're God's gift to card games.

Unless you're Reynad, in which case it's kind of your gimmick

>>156837747
Anon keep the stupid shitposting in the last thread, geez

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You have picked up your copy at your local Lawson, right?

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>>156837616
>>156837528
one of my favorite graveyard cards that is not black

if you buy the alt classes can you use them in arena?

>>156837881
>Lawson
What? I would probably buy one though

>>156837881
I dont live in nippon land

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>>156837881
>You will never get a real ding dong card
Why even live

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>when you have had emotes turned off since it was introduced and you think about how many BM spams silly people sent into nothingness

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>>156838169
>when you are trying to be nice and use emotes and have fun but the enemy has emotes muted

>>156838169
>having emotes turned off
they've already won

>>156837897
Graveyard stuff has never been tied to any particular color in Magic.

Green has Regrowth and other efficient recursion for all card types.
White has artifact recursion and sometimes creatures.
Blue has milling as a major part of its color identity and has Instant/Sorcery recursion, as well as being a major color for Zombie tribal.
Red can recur Instants and Sorceries only.

Black is far from the "graveyard color". It's just the color that can most efficiently reanimate creatures.

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>tfw your opponent forfeits when you literally did not draw a single DShift or Flame Destroyer and have nothing to win with because he thinks you charged up DShift
He had like 19 health.

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>animated odin
Not too shabby for a login bonus pack.

>>156838346
This is real scarf weather

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The one sword legendary that can end games

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>another Dragonsong

>drain only works when attacking
WHY

>>156838708
shit like righteous devil becomes ridiculous, not that I would mind

>>156838597
>make bad deck building decisions
>get rewarded
Why is this allowed?

>>156838817
>implying there is such a thing as a bad card

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>want to open more packs but its 80 fucking dollars

>>156839109
>80 dollars
How many packs do you get for that?

>aggro and midrange never have to think
>Every combo deck is interactive
Have you ever played storm in magic before? It's a combo deck but it's so binary that every game just boils down to speed.

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>>156839045
Hate to burst your bubble, but...

>>156839204
Wait for the 20-mana 20/20 storm that Dragon will get eventually.

>>156839150
Depends on whether you are willing to buy only 1 a day through daily bonus

>>156839550
It'd be shit even with that. Someone played Roost against me once and I seraph'd them on turn 6, you think they're going to last until 10?

I've been playing quite a bit for three days now and I'm having a lot of fun, but I can't possibly imagine how you could play this for months and months. Every class basically only has one viable deck, there's just zero variety in matches. This game desperately needs way more cards for build diversity.

>>156839150
Not a lot.

>>156839692
Sword has two ways, possibly more if someone rich or brave sculpts something out so I can use the titty monster.

Haven has like 3 viable decks.

Fairy has two.

Dragon has two, although they're pretty similar, and discard dragon might become good if tweaked.

You may have had a point if this was before the expansion, but you don't.

>>156837904
Yes.

anyone with nothing better to do wanna do some take two?

85039

>t9 roost
>t10
>genesis
>urd
>evolve genesis
>forte

10pp for 21 damage from hand

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>>156840008
If its still up I'll join after this match im in.

>>156839204
>>156839680
>bad against control
>therefore worst card in the game
wew

>>156840079
>t9 roost
>opponent kills you

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>>156838817
>shitty deck decisions like removing my aurelias and otohimes helps me get from 23k to 32k
What other shitty decisions can i make?

>>156840149
It's one of the few cards that shoots you in the foot unless you have lethal right there, it's arguably worse than soul dealer.

>>156840149
It's shit in general because while it's a symmetrical effect it is an incredibly impactful one and your opponent gets to make full use of it before you do.
That's not a good card. Symmetrical effects are only good when you can abuse it, and you can't really abuse phoenix roost.

>>156840335
turn 10 roost + satan while you have dragon console in your hand can be pretty nice

>>156840335
Don't forget it costs 5 fucking PP to put it down and have it do absolutely nothing. Playing it anytime before 7 is basically dimension shifting yourself on top of giving the opponent half off on their entire hand.

The only way Roost is ever going to be good is if you can play some card with it on the same turn that lets you win instantly on that turn.

>>156840196
Decklist?

>>156840514
But turn 10 satan would basically do the exact same thing and not give your opponent a massive fucking discount on all their cards to completely overwhelm you next turn

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>>156840601
Just take all the gauranteed damage

>>156840335

its pretty much giving your opponent a free evo point

>>156840530
If it's 5 mana, you can only play at best two minions that you could have played anyway if you didn't have it.
You can play Genesis dragon but on that turn it costs 10 mana anyway.

It is only useful against top decking aggro and even then it could still doom you.

>>156840514
do you enjoy living in magical christmas land?

>>156840335
You get to build your deck around it, the opponent doesn't. Half mana cost is useless for an aggro or midrange player who doesn't have storm cheese.

>>156841029
it's a fun place

>>156841000

why can these dumb chicks show all the cards on one screen

>>156841054
And what decks would those be? Those sound imaginary to me.

And it's a death sentence against rune, forest, haven...

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>Avant blader -> Centaur + Maid leader
>Maid leader -> White knight

Get fucked forest scum, learn to clear the board

Avant blader is so good

>>156841054
Literally any deck you build around phoenix roost would probably be better off as a typical ramp deck without it.
But the question is, is phoenix roost the absolute worst card in the game?

>>156839869
Protip: if you have that new gold dragon card that makes you draw a card when you discard, dont fucking play altered fate with it, you'll literally deck yourself out

>>156841054
What aggressive deck doesn't run some kind of storm? It doesn't even need to be storm, Letting Shadow play multiple cerbs on the same turn if you leave even a single follower up is probably a death sentence, aggressive Sword decks run plenty of storm on top of buffs they can all use in the same turn now, and Aggro Blood is literally storm: the deck.

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>gotten to 4-0 like 10 times now
>always lose to some bullshit Sword deck with a perfect curve or Dragon ramping into Satan

Here we go again.

>>156841332
The times right after the expansion released when people were trying to make altered fate/ptp discard dragon decks work were pretty hilarious.

>>156841461
I believe in you this time.

>>156841332
I was thinking more like angel crusher, that one 1/2, and shen long with the face damage one wrapped into whatever is left of a dragon deck

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Otohime-sama...

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>>156841397
>The bloody mary burst potential with a phoenix roost in play
Holy fuck

>>156841461
Eggbro was basically made to counter Sword decks, especially Floral Fencer and Otohime. Try picking him higher if that's what you struggle against

>>156841618
>ywn have an orgy with Otohime's bodyguards

>>156841618
Fanart of Otohime and her bodyguards getting fucked by the eldritch monster from Revelations when?

>>156841618
Fuck you slut, why do you have 2 health? There would have been counterplay to Otoslut in the base set if you did.

>>156841804
One of the greatest mysteries of Shadowverse balance

>>156841000
Looks similar to my decklist. I run conscription over mentor's teaching. Thoughts on that? Or is the damage better?

>Rank 1 Master is playing PtP Swordcraft

Uhhhhhh.

>>156841897
I'd gladly trade 1 extra draw for 1 damage and being 1 pp cheaper.

>>156841804
Good thing DE gives neutral counters now :^)

>>156841804
>why do you have 2 health?
I don't know too. I think she should be 2/3

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>frenchcuck "playing" ptp
>lose
>trying to abuse dc
>still lose
Shit. I hate fucking frenchies.

>>156841804
>>156841858
Honestly I feel like Otohime is the weakest of the 3 classic Sword legendaries right now (but they're all great legendaries)

She's such a mediocre play if you fall behind against Forest which almost always fucking happens because elf child may stuff.

>>156841804
2 health = angelic barrage rape, which would hard counter the legendary that makes sword playable in higher ranks.

>>156842054
Humpty isn't even a good counter to Otohime. You spend an evolve point to not even completely deal with her. Great. You're down on cards AND evolutions.

>>156840008
Huh; Im not sure what happened with the connection there.

>>156841897
I prefer mentor's because every point of damage counts with this deck

>>156842178
Otohime is weak in the current meta since the stronger Sword deck is control. Midrange sword is getting stomped by Bird Haven and Control Blood.

>>156842238
>Spend an evo point to basically clear Sword's entire board
>Not a good counter

This nigger.

>>156841308
Enlightenment is much worse. Roost does nothing for an opponent with a cheap hand, Enlightenment is an unplayable brick even if you build a deck around it.

>>156841000
Looks like my deck, except poorly optimized.

>>156842226
It made midrange sword retarded back before the expansion changed the meta. It was THE best deck, both for ladder because it's fast, and for win rate/tournaments because it had good a matchup against dragon (the other S tier) and no truly horrible matchups.

>>156842375
It's not.
They still get Otohime. You're down on cards and you lost an evolution. They still have the fucking tempo after you wasted an evolution to not even completely clear their board. That doesn't sound like a good counter to me.

>>156842547
>It was THE best deck
No, that was PtP Forest.
It was a level below that with midrange Dragon.

>>156842569
Vs Sword you want to get as many followers off the field as possible. Spending an evo point to leave one body left is infinitely better than spending one evo point to kill Otohime or one of her guards only.

>>156842278
GGs anon

>>156842439
>a janky card for card draw is worse than a card that can literally hand lethal to the opponent unless it's a very unlucky sword deck
No.

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>>156842686
ggs, they were fun

>>156842683
It's a better answer than that yes but it's still not a very good answer. They could have made it at least deal 4 damage so it would actually be a full clear and you wouldn't get card disadvantage.

>>156842052
>>156842312
Makes sense. I'm going to try swapping those out and see how it runs.

What's the name of the streamer who dusted all of his Havencraft cards after losing to Enstatued Seraph one too many times?

>>156841968
Nigger, nothing they play now matters. What matters is what they played to get there. All of them start using meme shit once they make it to garner attention and look more unique than the masses of tier 1 netdeckers, which included themselves before they had nowhere left to climb.

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>>156842882
>It's a better answer than that yes but it's still not a very good answer.
Now that's just sophistry.

A lot of classes don't have an immediate answer to Otohime when she comes out aside from spending an evo to trade into her body while leaving the rest of the board intact. That leaves the sword with a full value sage commander play next turn. Humpty Dumpty wipes out everything but Otohime, who can't even be buffed with other commanders.

Why on earth you think the latter is worse than the former is beyond me, but I'm starting to suspect you're C0.

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>haven thanks before delivering the final blow after I get fucked on draws

I shall pay this forward by taking the maximum amount of time to do each turn the next time I play against a Haven player, as aggro.

>>156843061
I don't thing you get what I'm saying. Sure you kill her knights, and that's effective, but it's not enough to actually fully counter her and it's not good for you in the long run because you lose a valuable evolution, you're down a card, and you're tempo's probably not doin so hot either. The Swordcraft palyer is still in a good position afterwards as they still have initiative; they can just refill the board with other cards or hell, another Otohime. Humpty's a quick fix but that's all he is. He's much better sniping a floral fencer and a few other minions.
Really I'm not saying Humpty sucks so much as just saying Otohime is a fucking bullshit value machine and one of the most hilariously broken cards in the game
AA0 by the way

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Is it better to focus on buying standard packs as a starting player, or DE?

>>156842712
>janky
>6 doing nothing but drawing cards
>if you don't play it precisely when you coincide an adequate number of spellboosts, a large enough hand space, and a wide enough tempo opening to do nothing for a turn 6+, it can draw you cards
>after that it will just be a self-mill for 6 mana, getting worse until it will literally (actual literal, not your meme """"literal"""") kill you if you play it

Roost being countered is entirely based on whether the opponent actually has an answer to it, it won't ever instantly kill for playing it.

>>156843426
most decks have a core made up of standard cards

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>>156843426
focus on getting the cute alt heros

>>156843361
not him, but Otohime's weakness is that 1/2 bodies are actually really shit when you're behind. Playing her against a board even with an Evo is an extremely weak play, you have to be already winning for her to be good.

This might be an unpopular opinion but she's fine as she is and there shouldn't be an easy answer to her. Her only role is to secure a lead and if she can't even do that reliably then she'd be shit because she's sure as hell not good to play from behind.

>>156843464
But that's only if you put it in a spellboost deck, which is a dumb idea. You could theoretically stick it in an earth rite deck instead and it would probably be a pretty good card draw spell, just too slow. Honestly I've played with it in take-two and been surprised by the results, it's not as bad as it seems. Sometimes you just need to refill your hand.
Meanwhile playing phoenix roost in any deck at any time will more than likely get you killed.

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>>156843361
Oh, so you just want a neutral card that completely invalidates not only Otohime, but basically everything Sword can play? That's dumb because Humpty Dumpty, as with every other neutral, is a tech choice. You use him to punish board floods or to reset the board, not to win the game every time he's played.

>one of the most hilariously broken cards in the game
She kind of has to be because Sword is a SMOrc tempo class. Without her Sword is basically fucked as soon as their board gets cleared.

I'm glad you're not in charge of game balance.

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What does /svg/ thinks of this deck?

i am on a 10 winstreak in rank AA1

i tried otohime, but without sage commander feels really weak

>>156843809
I like it, looks cheap on the vials and fast.

How does it do against the popular ladder decks like Storm/Elana Haven or Tempo Forest?

>>156843652
Yes? Sword has been a tier 1 menace since the dawn of Shadowverse. They clearly need to print more good answers to the deck. People who think they're fine as is are fucking idiots. And the defense that "SWORD WOULD SUCK WITHOUT HER!!!" is not a good defense either. Apparently it's okay that Otohime is bullshit because Sword needs to be high tier one all the time for some reason?
Also Sword is not basically fucked without her anyway once their board is cleared, they have multiple ways to refill the board. Otohime is just by far and away the most efficient way to do so to the point where she's stupidly overpowered. They could tone her down a little to drop Sword's power level without completely killing the deck.

>>156843603
>1/2 bodies are actually really shit when you're behind
they're really shit any time you don't have exactly the sage commander followup

>first turn Sacred Plea
HOW
HOW DO THEY HAVE IT
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME

>>156843918
Aren't you dead from a humpty

>>156843979
Pretty much. Honestly, the real busted legendary imo especially right now is Aurelia. It directly counters what you should be doing at all times against sword (keeping the board wide because it helps deal with Floral, Tsubaki, and Otohime) but suddenly you get punished for that with a spell/effect immune ward.

>>156843949
If you lost because of Otohime, you were already losing before she was played.

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>look at the new control blood lists
>needs 3 bloody mary
>i haven't pulled a single one after a ton of packs
>still need my 3rd Vampire Queen
>still need 3 copies of vania/vampy (w/e her name is) and vampiric fortress for meme aggro blood too
>not even close to my other decks I want

The lust for cards never ends.
Should I just try and wing it with the older variant of blood control? it should at least work decently until I pull shit, right?

>>156843992
I've never once seen a humpty in AA.

>>156843949
>It's another Anon gets butthurt at getting destroyed by sword one too many times episode

wew

I'm not going to have this discussion with a scrub again, but
>they have multiple ways to refill the board
Watcha gonna do once your board gets cleared on turn 6? Drop a 2x ascetic knights?

Please.

>>156843992
I have never seen anyone run Humpty while climbing

>>156843979
Let's be real here.
They always fucking have it.
Also just filling the board with tokens has its own value. Don't underestimate the power of small tokens. Why do you think PtP and Tempo Forest are so good? Those 1/1s do some work.
>>156844134
>If you lost because of Otohime, you were already losing before she was played.
That is actually the single stupidest thing I have ever heard in regards to this game. Congratulations, you are a complete fucking retard. Swordfags everybody.

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>>156843980
>play smorc haven
>keep sacred plea
>get pinion prayer everytime I do
>not sure which is the better play
I usually pick pinion unless i think they are control, but I am never sure I make the right choice.

>>156844205
>No real counter argument.
Every single time.
Just accept your stupid overpowered class is coasting on some really broken shit.

>>156844182
Old Control Blood sucked because of no hard win condition.

New Control Blood is t1/t2 since Bloody Mary is fucking retarded face damage.

>mfw stall out to turn 9 and drop bloody mary + 2x razory claw for 10 damage on a Forestcuck

Don't let anyone tell you blood is weak this patch.

>>156843641
>theoretically
lol

Meanwhile there are far more recorded games of people playing and winning with Phoenix Roost than Arcane Enlightenment.

>>156843918
the heaven matchup its relatively easy since they dont run wards anymore and you just face them down

the forest matchup is super close but usually favored, they run out of steam and you win because you have more cycle

>>156844336
No really, tell me how sword refills the board on turn 6 without Otohime? You claimed they could do it and I would like to know :)

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>>156844341
I know. I just need 14000 dust to make the new list.

I have 800 dust after I finished my last deck.

Feels bad.

Why isn't Soul Dealer a 4/6? The card would actually be good if it wasn't a fucking 4 HP ward for 4.

>>156844429
Floral Fencer.
Alvida's Command, which isn't a full board filling but is a very strong card.
Multiple 2 drops (4 of which wouldn't give you as many total stats as one single 6 drop because balance??)
Some combination of the above.
The difference is you actually have to use multiple cards like a normal deck and actually risk running out of cards!!!!!! The horror!!! Sword might have an actual weakness if that happened!!!

>>156844365
Would you consider Serie or Fervid Soldier over something like Maid Leader or Oathless Knight? I'm a bit mixed on Oathless Knight in general.

Is fairy princess as bad as I think it is or is it worth running if I dont have anything better to put into my forestcraft deck?

>>156844242
There would literally be no point to running otohime if she was easily cleared by a neutral that costs less than her. The point of using her is that if you're in a winning position, and you get board cleared, you can recover off that

>>156844608
None of those options can fill the board except multiple drops, but...

>The difference is you actually have to use multiple cards like a normal deck and actually risk running out of cards!!!!!!
Well yeah. Sword has no draw engine on turn 6 so you're saying it should auto-lose if it gets board cleared then.

Interesting.

>The point of using her is that if you're in a winning position, and you get board cleared, you can recover off that
>The point of using her is that she isn't easily board cleared
>The point of using her is that she can be played to recover from board clear
So she's bullshit when ahead, from behind, and in a neutral situation? Nice card you got there.

>>156844793
>Sword has no draw engine on turn 6 so you're saying it should auto-lose if it gets board cleared then.
They do now! Now they have a mulldrifter except it's even better than mulldrifter. AND Otohime still exists. Good card design.

>>156844870
>The point of using her is that she isn't easily board cleared
But she is. It's just that you don't consider it a good board clear if her 3/4 body is still left.

>The point of using her is that she can be played to recover from board clear
In certain situations such as against an empty board.

>>156844870
She's not good from behind, the 1/2s are really weak if you can't buff them (which you can't before the opponent can dictate trades) and easily traded against.

She's acceptable to play from behind if you have an evo point and you evo her against a board of 2 followers, but that costs an evo point and but anything bigger than that and she's not good, because 4 1/2s are really easily answered.

>>156844883
Honestly, the moment they give Sword any reach, is the moment I most likely will quit the game.

>>156844993
It's not a good board clear if it doesn't actually clear the board, yes. That is generally how that metric is judged.

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>2 merlin
>2 d-shifts

is that enough to start the memes or am i setting myself up for a nightmare of not drawing

>>156845069
3 d-shifts for sure, 2 merlin is workable but you want the max chance of getting the D

>>156844883
Honestly, it just sounds like you're mad at losing to Sword at this point.

I have trouble believing you're AA0 since Haven/Forest are more of a problem at those ranks.

>>156845067
So basically, you want a neutral card that does 4 AoE damage to clear Otohime and anything Sword/Forest/Shadow plays on turn 6.

>>156844634
The deck is built arround royal banner , Oathless is usually better than fervid when banner is up, also i dont run that many commanders

>>156845141
Didn't I tell you? I just really fucking hate this archetype and I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it is the only deck that has been tier 1 in every single meta and yet they have not only done nothing about it but had the fucking gall to give them insanely good card draw and a strong 2 mana removal spell.
Before DE they literally had ONE fucking bad match-uo and it was only by a few percent. That is absolutely absurd. Swordcraft is a real problem.
>>156845232
No I want them to kill Otohime and send Swordcraft to tier 3 so no one ever touches them again, but I'll be reasonable and just say I want a slight Otohime nerf. 1/1 bodyguards would be reasonable, or maybe make Otohime herself 2/3 instead.
Or make her 7 mana.

>>156845408
>No I want them to kill Otohime and send Swordcraft to tier 3 so no one ever touches them again
Okay, so I was right. You are just massively butthurt at what isn't even the best class in the game right now.

>>156845485
Oh believe me, I think Tempo Forest is completely stupid too. Who though Liza was a good idea? Did we really need a card like that? Just completely hose all mass removal and most normal removal except Themis' Decree and Calamitous Curse? For 2 mana?
And let's not even get into the 5pp 6/6 rush ward.

>>156845596
Do you also hate Haven's new sprint? Dragon has been T1 for a long time too.

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>STILL no traps in SV

>>156845596
anon what decks are you running that you hate everything T1

>>156845485
But anon, why shouldn't they touch Swordcraft? Do you think it's okay for a single deck to consistently stay in the top tier like that?

>>156845702
I think they need to gut Forest and Dragon before they think about Sword. Tia and Liza and Cynthia are Busted. Don't even get me started on midrange dragon and 12 Face Burst.

>>156845693
Shadow.

>>156845646
>>156845693
Nah just those two. I hate board flood decks, I find them incredibly unfun to play against. Besides Dragon sucks now, who cares about them.
Really I think the main reason I hate Sword so much is PTSD from when Paladin completely dominated Hearthstone and it was pure hell. Sword even has the same bullshit perfect curve into retarded 6 drop thing goin on. That being said from an objective standpoint I do think they're a problematic deck, maybe less so now but they really were before DE

>>156845779
>Dragon
Dragon's not even tier 1 anymore.
But they definitely need to fix forest. When even aggro decks are running angelic barrage you know something's wrong.

>>156845408
making otohime get countered by a 3 mana/4 mana neutral respectively is not "reasonable"

seriously, otohime is not even that good against the meta decks right now

>>156845868
it's really not that hard to answer Sword's 1-2-3 so I don't even know what you mean.

literally their typical curve is to play a 1/1, into a 2/2 into another 2/2 that turns the last 2/2 into a 3/3.

comparing it to Paladin is a joke

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>>156845868
>Besides Dragon sucks now,
wew

>>156845981
>Sucking swordcraft cock this hard
How much are they paying you to defend an obviously broken deck?

>>156845969
>Dragon's not even tier 1 anymore.
m8
pls
stop

Dragon will always be problematic.
>>156846114

>>156844602
change ward to storm will fix it

>>156846220
>>156846114
What the hell, I just saw a tier list yesterday that had them at 2

>>156845838
is shadow's matchup against sword that bad that you need to be so salty?

>>156846114
>45% winrate
http://syadoreco.com/metareports/deck/9/week/overaa/2016/39/t/

>>156846141
I don't know what retarded shit you're going off about, but my point is that sword's early curve doesn't 2 for 1 you at literally every mana cost. It's nothing like paladin except "xd both are aggressive decks"

>>156846363
I don't know what rank or how they got those stats, but I don't believe for a second Dragon has a negative winrate against Blood.

>>156846556
>what rank
Aa

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Shadow is problematic.

>>156846373
Yeah it is.
Well, let's go deeper here. Paladin and Swordcraft are both white weenie as fuck which is always a really annoying deck to play against. The boring generic knight flavor, the constant stream of little shits, the buffs, it's all there. Though Sword is even more white weenie since they got the reprisals going on too.

I've been rerolling all day and i can't get a decent forestcraft start, and i'm too autistic to just start playing

>>156846665
I guess those stats are just outdated then, or the decklist they use is bad.

Blood is a super favourable matchup for midrange Dragon.

>>156846683
how many rise of dead did he used?

>>156846556
He posted Midrange Dragon's stats.
The deck you're probably thinking of when you say dragon is Storm Dragon, which has a high percentage against Blood.

>>156846721
I see.

You just want to kill the class because you get BTFO by it. It's not a matter of balance or anything (it's currently T2), you are just that butthurt.

>>156846556
Madusa's gaze is pretty much broken

>>156846828
Here's the page.

http://syadoreco.com/metareports/deck/29/week/all/2016/39/t/

The top is a disclaimer which states that it's still trying to get a good way of distinguishing the two decks. Storm Dragon is still a good deck.

>>156846828
Isn't storm dragon basically midrange dragon since they both run the same cards?

>>156846721
Secretdin hardly relied on weenies except muster, and that's because it's a broken ass card that every paladin will run. They relied on sticky minions to guarantee having a board for turn 6. Minibot, Shredder, Belcher, etc.

The weenie deck was Midrange Paladin with Justicar which wasn't a "problem" for anyone except Warriors and Priests.

>>156846910
>The top is a disclaimer which states that it's still trying to get a good way of distinguishing the two decks.
That's the main thing that I was wondering. How could their algorithm adequately differentiate between the 3 or so Dragon variations?

Regardless, I'll trust the community ranking over these 'stats' for now.

>>156846878
>Currently T2
That's a funny way of saying Mid Tier 1, but sure. Okay. I guess when you live in a world where Otohime is balanced you also live in a world where Sword is only T2.
Also despite all my whining I actually can't remember the last time I lost to Sword. I don't see them very often anymore and the last few times I have I've won. I just like ranting about them because I hate that archetype and before DE it was like 70% of what I fought against and I got real sick of that shit real fast.

>>156847072
There is no algorithm. People who play the games record the results and also put in the type of their opponent's deck.

>>156847078
Most swords these days are control.
I just don't know why you are so butthurt when there are much more problematic archetypes out there right now.

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>>156847078
>bitching to bitch
anon....

>>156846683
Im not the only one watching Koroneko i guess

>>156847152
So it's entirely user generated? Certainly not the most reliable or accurate method then. I'll take it with a grain of salt.

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>>156847078
Dragonfag, is that you...?

>>156847245
I'll take your anecdotal evidence with a whole bag of salt.

>>156847078
>I actually can't remember the last time I lost to Sword.
Wow, maybe because they're not broken and you're just being a retard instead of us being swordfag shills. Come on man.

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>>156847173
Hey someone else brought it up and at least one anon just kept egging me on
>>156847161
I'm pretty sure I explained it already. I got sick of them before DE because not only was sword everywhere but they're also my least favorite CCG archetype to play against overall.
>>156847350
You know it. I haven't shit on Sword in a long while so this was a good opportunity

>>156846683
my sides
He just hit 17 with Ghost


YURUSANAI!

Reynad streamed some more shadowverse tonight if you'd like to check the vods.

>>156839203
Unless it's a fucking Doomsday variant or 4 Riders combo decks don't take any fucking skill, fuck that meme, same with control.

>>156848197
The moment when Humpty came up in his draft was pretty good.

>>156848246
You're severely overestimating the basic intelligence level of the average human being

>>156846683
SO AS I PRAY
UNLIMITED DOG WORKS

why did they change runecraft leaders massive boobs? Like I know western audiences more prudish blah blah but if someone's already going to be playing this game with all the excessive T&A going on they probably don't care about another girl with her tits hanging out

What did Reynad mean by this?

https://a.pomf.cat/ssugqa.mp4

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>>156837881

no but i got this from the 7/11

>>156849517
>actually having fun playing a video game

I've never seen such a thing from reynad

>>156849517
It's amazing seeing Reynad having such a good time

>win 6 ranked matches
How in the everliving fuck am I supposed to do this with a shitty beginner pool once I got to C?

>>156849969
I know how you feel i've been trying to do a win 4 ranked matches with dragon for two(2) days

>>156849969
C is still a beginner rank.

>>156850073
It's still almost entirely netdecks. I can only beat so much card quality with my slightly better than default deck.

>>156849969
What craft are you supposed to use?

>>156850145
The reason why they're still in Beginner, D, and C are because they lack knowledge. That on top of not having a well built deck. There are a ton of Beginner players I played against with full net decks but they sucked and playing.

>Wondering what this d shift thing is that everyone mentions
>some guy takes 3 turns in a row and kills me
Th-thanks

>>156850293
There's only so much advantage you can get off bad evolves and trades, 90% of the time you lose to better cards

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if i see healslut one more

>>156849517
I wish there were more people to watch play Shadowverse

>>156837881
Only Lawson? Its too far from here.

>>156850402
Lack of PC release is a major reason I'd say.

>>156849634
they sell jap stuff in americas?

>>156850182
4 times Haven, 2 times whatever I want.

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JUST

>have to concede 4 times in a row inorder to make up for 1 win
wish this game was harder

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>1 pack 3 nice legs
holy shit boys i did it

>>156851254
nice, two legendaries and 400blood vials

>>156850727
So what happens if you play Azazel when Bloody Mary is on board

>>156851329
A meme

>>156851254
>3 nice legs
Really nice legs. Forte's is the best of them.

>>156851329
+100 happened

>>156851462
nope the lion got the best strong legs

>>156851329
>both player is full health
>you take 10 damage and opponent take 10 too
>but you have blood mary
>you deal 20 damage just playing Azazel.

>>156851329
It's a meme, you're never going to be at full HP by turn 8, let alone having a Mary live for more than turn.

>>156851462
>Forte's
>can barely see any
Queen Vamp has her beat

>>156852010
Her leg is not for seeing.
It's for feeling.

Since the animation of Azazel does the damage to you first, then the opponent, will playing Azazel with Bloody Mary on the field while the opponent is at 5 and you're at 15 kill them? Or will he heal them from 0 up to 5?

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I could use some vials to make some bronze/silver. What can I liquefy from this list?

>>156852171
He's 8 PP retard

>>156852228
noble fairy, love's gospel, holy sentinel, and ghouls banquet are all pretty bad

>>156852228
anybody try making archangel reina work?

Should I liquefy an animated odin to make my second tia?

>>156852294
The thing is, even after evolved her, she's 5/4 body in T8.

>>156852340
DONT LIQUEFY ANY OF YOUR ANIMATED CARDS

I'd need help with the private match daily,
42208,
thanks.

>Play against heal heaven
>can't kill it in turn 6 cause scriptures
>Themis decree
>taunts
>themis decree
>2 alliras
>Plus 5 kill
SKILL

>>156852243
Are you retarded?

>>156852392
Gives +2/2 to everyone else too tho

>>156852417
Elana's Prayer healing at full HP has to be an oversight. The bullshit levels are just off the chart when the opponent doesn't even have to try to get value on their card effects and gets rewarded with absurd amounts of stats for free.

>>156852553
I killed all the heal minions. Had he not gotten the second decree i would have won

Its fucking bullshit

>>156852401
Too late, I already liquefied an animated fairy princess.

What are some good streams/channels to watch if I'm just getting into this game?

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>jp Luna - timid little girl who asks for friends, requests her parents to aid her and admits her loss when conceding
>eng Luna - pushy little brat who urges her dead parents to get suited for battle and rage quits when conceding

I think I will stick to jp.

Honestly the 3D low poly stages hit my ps2 nostalgia hard, I really dig it

>>156852653
eng is more qt though

>>156852653
this >>156852769

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REMOVE THEM FROM OUR GLORIOUS NATION. PUSH THEM OUT OF OUR SOVEREIGN BORDERS. BREAK THEIR PRIMITIVE SUPERSTITIONS! TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEIR VERY HOMES! LET DESPERATION BE THEIR NATURAL STATE!

>>156852910
>putting 3 out
What an idiot.

>>156852910
>olivia in sword

>>156853035
what the fuck

>>156852910
>Literally being proud of winning by using the equivalent of their braindead cancer

>>156853196
Hello, anon. Why you played 3 Eila out?

>>156853291
dohoho

Seriously legen spam of infinite value is as cancerous

I wonder how they are going to balance the game, it seems a really hard to make it playable without killing it

>>156853035
Control Sword can run Olivia.

>>156853406
No, anon, thing you don't like != cancer, grow up.

>>156853506
>Put card
>Board is full
>It gets wiped
>Put card
>Board is full
>Dude evolves
>insta kill plus ambush
>Dude place cards + ward
>alexander
Literally braindead cancer of free value and many dudes

How do we make dragoncraft good?

>>156853616
Remove the gimmick of extra total orbs and make him gain extra orbs in the current turn

>>156853616
Overflow was a mistake.

>>156853616
at the end of your turn you get an option to use any free play points to give +1/+1 to followers

>>156853616

0 mana spell that gives you two extra orbs for the turn. Oh, also activates Overflow if you already have 5. :^)

>>156853616
Apparently midrange Dragon is still Tier 1 so it's fine.

But discard and flute were mistakes. Maybe in the next expansion, the devs will do for Dragon as they did for Haven and make more than one deck type viable.

>>156853616
4 mana 7/7

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>>156853016
The desperate heretic knew she was breathing her last!

>>156853035
When you put them through 3 Swordsmen, evolved White Paladins at every turn. 3 Olivias start looking might fine.

>>156853196
>>156853406
>>156853549
It's not pride, when you face 6 Havens in a row it becomes a decision between struggling and winning consistently. I'll take the wins, pride ain't putting the rupees on the table. There's no award for snatching the win against a deck that has a major advantage over conventional strategy. All you get is a slight erection that's gone the next time you run into another Haven.

It sucks that you can't create a silly deck with a theme/focus on a strategy other than outvaluing each opposing card but thems the breaks. Legendaries should definitely be worth the value invested.

The other side is just a s brain dead, remove the threats, play healing spells to get gross value and undo any advantage the other player had. If Elana's didn't trigger at 0 health heal or did not buff defense as well I'd be ok with it. At least that would give other decks legitimate means to fight it off.

I used to enjoy playing as and against Haven. Card choices were solid and I never really felt that it had extremely unfavorable match ups.

>>156853912
Are you seriously saying vomiting on the board takes skill?

Both decks are completely braindead

>>156853807
I'm convinced innervate would be broken as hell in shadowverse, it's like having 3 extra evolutions if you draw them early minus the haste evolutions get

Is it possible to sync the Android emulator and the regular version of the game?

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Umm, what?

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>>156852643

>>156854014
I'm seriously saying if a Legend gonna cost 7+ PP. It deserves to ruin your day.

>>156854087
Yes. You can link the account on your google play account or create a data transfer code that lasts for 48 hours.

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>tfw your jumbled fucking mess of a deck accidentally pretends to be a properly contructed one for once

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>>156854091
i saw this on a load screen and hoped it was just the load screen

>>156854137
There are none unless you want to watch the one japanese guy play PtP forestcraft and rage about it.

>>156854091
People have reported this word salad, right?

I can't imagine it's hard to fix.

>>156854140
> There's no award for snatching the win against a deck that has a major advantage over conventional strategy. All you get is a slight erection that's gone the next time you run into another Haven.

>It sucks that you can't create a silly deck with a theme/focus on a strategy other than outvaluing each opposing card but thems the breaks. Legendaries should definitely be worth the value invested.

No you are saying you are actually taking pride even tho you keep denying it

Literally the equivalent of a third world peruvian playing dota

>I dump shiny card
>Shit blows up

>>156854194
>>156854236

Clearly she's toying with us and make us lost.

How do I not burn out with forestcraft? When I get to late late game I just end up top decking.

>>156853912
You're really not going to get anywhere arguing that a minion based strategy is better or involves thought to people who don't play it.

You can't be "good" at the game unless your strategy is just as linear as your opponents but doesn't commit to the board as much. Holding up a counterspell and saying "I'm probably just going to counter literally anything my opponent plays this turn" or holding up a removal spell and saying if they play a minion I can just easily kill it isn't really that big of a difference from just playing on curve.

The choices come from deciding when not to play something, which happens on both sides of the field and is mostly a guessing game by knowing the meta and other decks. It's just less apparent and less obvious when a minion based deck should hold their cards than play to the field.

>>156854263
wow deep lore

>>156854448
Put more card generators in your deck.

>>156854468
>he is literally defending a deck that instagibs evolved dudes and fills the board after each clear
>and has multiple cards that you cannot attack up until they are ready to end the game
>He is literally
>Actually
>Defending it

>>156854143
Great. Don't have to wait till I get home to reroll decks then.

>>156854468
All i learned from years of playing CCGs/TCGs is that control and combofags think their shit takes skill while it's just as braindead as aggro unless you're playing nonsense like Doomsday variants in mtg. You are never getting through them so at this point I just enjoy the salt because the smarmy fucks deserve it.

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>average dragonfag doesnt contest the board
JUST

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>>156854804
my freedoms

>>156854862
>both players have evolve points at turn 6
>Mary is alive while they have evo points
What the fuck is going on

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>>156854804

>>156854965
Casual drops Bloody Mary since i already have two copies of her.I was baiting his EP hoping to waste his Dragon Warrior's EPdesu

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>>156855019

>>156854717
>he keeps going
>he doesn't even reply directly not to get mocked
You cannot possibly be this pathetic

You don't even choose what you dump first it doesn't even matter.

>play anything
>It gets cleared
>Play legen
>board clear
>repeat up until they run out of clears
>Win
>If anything goes wrong play olivia and do it again

Literally

cannot

make

this

shit

up

How do we save Forestcraft?

>>156854862
a "setup" match for picture

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>>156855569
By giving it even more combo pieces.

>>156855569
More cute cards

>>156855569
give it a lot of unit that get storm by playing 2 card

>>156855569
Natural 0 cost cards.

>>156855456
Give me more of that salt, it feels really, really good.

>>156855869
Kek you are no denying anymore.

See we agree

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I rerolled and this is my first pack.

I opened total of 2 leggos in ALL 25 packs on my first roll. What the fuck.

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>>156854245
Heh, you mad. Stay small.

>>156854717
At the end of the day, we're just playing these cards and harvesting the salt. Let's all bask in the glory of it.

>>156856437
>Heh, you mad. Stay small.
You agree with me which would mean you are salty too

Are you a masochist?

>>156856175
Both good legendaries, 2 is way too low though.
Reroll.

>>156856175
I've rerolled so many times that I've lost count. I'm trying to setup for Shadowcraft and the only legend I'm really looking for is Cerberus, but I can never get more than that when I do pull it. It fucking sucks.

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>>156856175
>don't open a single leggo in the next 14 standard packs
>open 2 in the same pack again with darkness evolved

>>156856520
2 total on first roll, this is my second roll. 4 leggos now. These any good?

>>156856564
I don't know any of the cards and can't judge them with my ignorance.

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This is for Aiela you slut.

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>>156854804
DELETE THIS
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>>156856573
Pascale is my bae even though Dirtcraft is still really bad. Currently working on a list that uses her as finisher and not purely earth rite. Bloody Mary is the one super cool Leggo for Blood. Queen V is cool, but she's not super cool like Balding Mary's 6head.

>>156857235
lmao roach
wouldn't have it any other way

>>156850454
no, the 7/11 in japan...

>>156857102
She really is the definition of a win more card. I like her tho, she is the reason why my deck runs those 5/6 for 6 alchemists instead of Ancient Alchemist.

>>156857235
i dont get how this card is fair for forestcraft
i dont even feel i need to explain my rational. its extremely powerful

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>>156857235
Yamete! Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. Enough

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I want to fuck this creature.