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>>155975813
Arabia only seems good, if all religions get found pretty quickly, if you have a civ in your game who doesnt have an affinity for finding a religion, then it sorta defeats the purpose of his civ trait

Saladin looks quite meh desu.

Getting last prophet means that your religion will be crap

But desu it's accurate, Islam beliefs are a pile of garbage.

>>155975956
He still gets Mamluks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Jpe5NID60
new first look if anyone missed it.
>Unique Unit: Mamluk
>Knight replacement, heals at the end of every turn, regardless of moves/attacks
>Unique Building: Madrasa
>University replacement, gives bonus science, and bonus faith
>Leader bonus, Righteousness of the faith
>Unique religious building for saladin costs much less, and gives massive bonuses to science and faith
>Civ Bonus The last prophet
>when the next to last great prophet is claimed, arabia automatically gets the last one, unless they have already claimed their great prophet

>>155975970
I think it's better to consider that there's not going to be enough prophets for everyone, so it's a matter of you not needing to invest in Great Prophets at all and still being able to get the benefits of one.

>>155975956

Consistency trumps chance. Just the fact that you will get a religion (with no ifs or buts) is good in my book. I mean, I've never played a single game of Civ 5 where all the religions weren't founded. Sometimes it's faster, sometimes it's slower.

>>155975956
I think there are 4 religions for 6 civs game or sth like that
There's a small chance religions won't be picked quickly.

But if they don't AND you wanted to found religion with your UA then you are pretty much fucked and you get a shit religion with best beliefs already picked by others.

I'm not seeing myself playing it right away.

Arabia's UA is going to hinge on how balanced beliefs are. If it is like civ 5 where the first 2 or 3 religions get all the beliefs worth a shit then the UA won't be that good

>>155975956
>>155975970
Science bonuses are never meh anons.

also this is true >>155975979. Knights with March are sick

But I am a bit disappointed with how passive this civ is. It's literally just a bunch of bonuses that you get whether you like it or not, this is by far the most passive and default civ we have gotten until now.

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>>155975813
>we never had a G I R U G A M E S H edition

>>155976240
We did all the way back when although I simply used the FSN version.

>>155976017

When they talk about a "unique religious building", they mean mosques, cathedrals, pagodas and such, right?

>>155976296
Yea, but now they are their own belief class and every religion gets one and only one

>>155976185
science bonuses qre never meh, but I believe they are less powerful in VI because of the civics tree.

The Sumer get science bonuses early and Arabia gets them at University/religion when they build faith buildings; this signals to me that Sumer is probably better at science game since you aren't bound by a 1 uni per city

Can Joseph Smith be a great Propher? Or L Ron Hubbard?

>>155976384
Zigaruts take up growth tiles though, especially if you build them next to rivers

>>155976483
You can just demolish them later can't you
Even being 3 or 4 techs ahead of others by classical gives you disgusting snowball potential.

>>155976384
>but I believe they are less powerful in VI because of the civics tree.
could be, only time will tell

>this signals to me that Sumer is probably better at science game since you aren't bound by a 1 uni per city
Not so sure about that desu, the ziggurat will (probably) give +1bpt (and +1 cpt next to rivers) but since it is a unique improvement that means you have to sacrifice potentially valuable tile improvements (farms next to fresh water!) to spam it and get its money's worth. But Arabia's bonuses are built in, you don't have to sacrifice other tiles to get them, it also has 2 sources of +science, not just the uni.

but then again, most of this is speculation, we really need to play the game to tell

>>155976483
then I guess you can switch them to farms once their bonus gets too small

I can think of more strategies as Sumer, with Arabia it's just a sim city imho

>>155976542
Probably, i still think they will be the best UI in the game, and are Sumerias best bonus, but im just pointing out that they have to make sacrifices for there early game science

>>155976589
Before farms get to +2 food you probably will be better off with ziggurats

and ziggurats will mean you get to +2 food farms and universities quicker and then just ditch them

I take that over "improved university" any time

Russia/Poland/Lithuania when?

What will poland's ability be this time around boys?
I suspect winged hussars are going to be far better in 6

>>155976946
They can get partitioned

>>155976946
I hope (as a polish guy) that they won't go for the winged hussar again. We have more than that in our history and would like some other UU and then introduce Hussar with Sobieski as the alternate leader

I suspect polish civ will get some culture bonuses or maybe religion ones. Religious tolerance was a pretty big thing in our history up until the partitioning I think

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>>155976380

Neat.

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>>155977204
>I hope (as a polish guy) that they won't go for the winged hussar again
And i hope as a spanish guy we wont be stuck with conquistadors, but we are every single time.
Enjoy your hussars

>>155976946
Could be "A country without stakes", which would reffer to the fact that during the reformation period it was the only ecumenistic country in Europe I guess?

>>155977346
but Poland will be only for the 2nd time, I'll keep on dreaming they won't be going for the obvious this time around

>>155977346
Well it's basically what Spain is most famous for. As a chink I'm pretty annoyed at Chu-ko-nus, mainly because China has never had a '''special unit''' besides having units everyone else eventually came up with, earlier.
I bet Tercios and Rodeleros could work though.

>>155977346
Here's hoping you guys get something like Knights of Santiago in Civ VII.

>>155977534
So, what do you think about the Chinese UU this time?

>>155977534
We could get some special marines early that other civilizations, since we kinda pioneer the modern concept

>>155975813
>Arabs are led by a Kurd

oookaay....

>>155977346
>And i hope as a spanish guy we wont be stuck with conquistadors
What else do you even have?

>>155977816
It works, kind of, because it's just an early gunpowder unit, kind of like a musketman but earlier than everyone else. That's the type I'd want if you had to choose a unit.
To be honest I'd prefer China's gimmick to have a second UI or UB instead of having a UU at all.

>>155978001
I think every civ needs to have a UU.

>>155977957
And the French are led by an Italian
The precedent is well-established by now

>>155977994
Tercio are basically Spain's version of the Swiss pikes at roughly the same time. It's not that hard to think of those, at least.

>>155978071
That's my problem though. China doesn't actually have any 'unique' units that they're famous for. Maybe the Ming arquebusiers but those were the same as anyone else.

>>155978093
This fuckin "1 Civ led by 1 Eternal Leader" needs to stop.

Bring back CivIV multiple leader, give each Civ at least 3 leaders, add succession mechanics. Done

>>155978114
You could have a medieval gunpowder unit though, handcannoners or a rocket for example.

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>>155978114
>China doesn't actually have any 'unique' units that they're famous for.
I dunno, the KEKEKEKEKE infantry in the Korean War is what I always think of when I think of the Chinese Army.
"Human Wave" unit when

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>tfw gonna spend whole next day under a blanket eating gulash, drinking cocoa, and watching Marbozir play Civ 6

>>155978273
>succession mechanics
Why? Literally for what purpose?
>multiple leaders
Already a thing.

>>155978317
Yeah that's why I said it kind of works for the cannon, but even then the rocket and handguns were mainly useful for being hella fucking scary and easy to train and giving you an edge in melee combat since people decided to tie rockets to their spears and fire them off before contact like some explosive javelin.
The CKN works, it's just that replacing the crossbow is retarded because they're literally not the same unit and not used for the same shit and often used in tandem.

>>155978391
China has always used human wave tactics, the casualties are insane.
Yeah you say 'exaggeration' but it's hard to pretend that an Imperial Census is exaggerated when that's what's used to distribute taxes.

>>155978273
I think you want CK2 m8

>>155978456
oh yeah, NDA lifts tomorrow, right?

>>155978456
>tfw gotta work but have the entire next week off as a national holiday
>tfw gf is also a strategy gamer

>>155978612
>entire next week off as a national holiday
Nice, where do you live?

>>155978273
>succession mechanics

idiotic, each game of civ spans millenia and the civs themselves don't

>>155977346
That is what you get from being genociding bastards. Literally worse than hitler. (I mean no offense to modern spaniards)

>>155978654
I'm guessing Norway

>>155978654
China.

>>155978854
REALLY off the mark.
What's the holiday in Norway

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>>155978456
>not watching Marbozir AND FilthyRobot

>haven't played stellaris 1.2
>decide to give it a go with slavering empire
>sector ai emancipates enslaved xenos

What a turd of a game.

>>155978954
idk, i was learning Norwegian in class and I think the teacher mentioned they have a week off outta ass, so I thought that maybe it's now.

>>155979040
>being skeleton

>>155979040
>>155978456
>2016
>watching LPs
What, do you listen to metal and watch manga too?

>>155978762
> blame Spain for genocide
> 99% of the casualties were caused by Old World diseases
> Spain didn't want to kill the natives anyway, they needed them for Jesus and taxation purposes
He a good hermano he did no nuffin

>>155979116
What do you expect out of moralfags

>>155978474
So we don't deal with Civ with a single temperament.

So every n turns a single civ can get different bonuses. This is also useful in diplomacy, for example a hotheaded AI Civ might change leader to a more levelheaded one you can deal with. Or turn even more dangerous.

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>>155979073
Yes, and?

>>155979040
I don't really like FilthyRobot, since I'm mostly interested in single player matches on epic/marathon speed. Also, facecam is annoying as fuck.

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>>155979047
1.3 is going to let you tell Sectors whether or not they're allowed to emancipate of their own accord.

...although in fairness MY sector AI enslaves / emancipates appropriately already, so I dunno what you're doing

>>155979116
>burned books containing the history of the peninsula so much not even quotes remained
>literally took their emperor hostage and murdered buttloads
>literally systematically destroyed Tenochtitlan, laid a 75 day siege and starved everyone
DINDU NOFFING

>>155978654
Hes probably just a NEET that needs an excuse to be home on a Tuesday morning.

>>155978954
I wanna say France.
But I though frogs were off in August, not October.

>>155979116
>PEOPLE ONE BAGATRILLION OF THESE DEATHS WERE ACCIDENTAL
>ONLY 100 JIGAMILLION WEREN'T
Is this what /pol/ tard revisionism teaches you?

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>>155979205
>not being a being without bones

>>155979204
That's literally not how civilization works, I'm the C2Cfag who loves their crime buildings and having to manage my crime rate so my population doesn't get Syphilis from the rising disease rate caused by Rape as a crime and I don't like that idea.

Which Stronghold should I buy?

And what's so bad about 3 that everyone seems to hate?

any good streamers who play on highest difficulty?

>>155979286
>>155979385
>White people were a mistake, i wish my guts were being torn open by a Quetzacoalt priest trying to get a car engine to start

>>155979386
ffs, I camp in only 2 generals and that's this one and monstergirls.
Quit confusing me as to which tab I've opened

>>155979467
I don't know were you found those extra chromosomes, but I suggest you put them back.

>>155979467

White people, males to be precise, being evil is a historical fact.

>>155979295
China's July 4th is on October 1st and it's a week off.

>>155979504
/jp/? I'm in there too.

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>>155975956

The UA seems downright terrible while everything else for Salad is pretty good. UU is solid, UB is solid, Leader Ability is good for religion victory by conquest or just spreading wide.

The UA though - I don't think there's any other Civ6 UA which is a one-and-done ability like Arabia's, nor where it's not a bonus but rather a failsafe.

>>155976069

If religion and founder beliefs are first come first serve then Arabia's UA is a self-defeating liability. Yes, it allows you to prioritize stuff other than faith..but doing so means you're left with last-call choices. But if you focus on faith then it destroys the utility of your UA.

What the UA should have been is the same seal of the prophet guaranteed great prophet but in addition you can choose religious beliefs or founder beliefs already selected by a competing religion. Or something like Byzantium's "You get an extra reformation belief".


Russia better also be a science civ or pic related. I'm an Arabiaboo but Peter just fucking screams science (and production) civ. Something like either a civ ability or leader ability that links science/technology boosts with diplomacy or international interaction ("Every time you meet a new civ or city state you get a boost to technology in whatever that civ was researching/that city state is oriented - so meet maritime city state and you get a maritime tech boost"). That was literally his biggest schtick besides an autistic obsession with building a navy and building a city.

>>155979467
>it's literally so easy to bait the /pol/tards

>>155976873
Russia next week, Poland's one of the first DLC.
>>155977204
Poland gets Ste. Jagdwiga or w/e

>>155978456

Good man, good plan.

>>155979623
Their UA should've been a guaranteed prophet but being able to choose an existing religion to piggyback off of and choosing one or two extra beliefs on top of that.

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>>155979604
Well, what excellent taste you have my yellow brother from another mother
No homo

>>155979780
>yellow brother from another mother
So are you suggesting that my father is a cuckold or that yours is?

>>155979658
>Poland gets Ste. Jagdwiga or w/e
say what?

>>155978391
I'd like to penetrate her southern defenses while her red guard was not on duty, if you catch my drift.

>>155979935
>southern defenses
You mean a naval invasion or what? the only 'South' China has is the front towards SEA and SEA is a joke.

>>155979558
I am disgusting how many white males are in Civ6, so much eurocentrism should be banned from videogames

>>155975813
Would you play a game of Civ when you WILL inevitably sees your civilization fall down and other civilization rise on top of yours?

They'll fall in prominence, and your renewed civ will be great again.

Civ gameplay advancement are too linear. Small Civ getting stronger, dead civ stays dead, no entirely new civ rising from the interaction between 2 civs...

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>>155979981
> the front towards SEA and SEA is a joke
...o-okay

>>155979254

Since I'm not running mods I have to rely on the retarded sector (minimize micro - stellaris - hahaha). Enslaving newly conquered planet and giving to a sector simply results in the ai emancipating all or at best some of them. Seems the solution is the 999 core planet mod or just not playing a badly made game.

>>155980048
No why the fuck would my civilization inevitably fall down if it's managed correctly by an immortal perfect dictator? I like the game being difficult but why the fuck would it be unwinnable?

>>155980107
Maybe in 1400 it wasn't but in the current year yeah it is
>go to cambodia
>RANDOMLY see a 12 year old or something sucking someone off in a barely-concealed alley
>taxi driver keeps ogling my (older) sister and telling us about his epic exploits in fucking tourist women and how he was alpha as fuck during border skirmishes or some shit
>their capital city is like 1970s China tier, which is 1700s Europe tier.

>>155978114
Should be a leader ability, then. One random unit unlocked an era earlier at the beginning of an era. Roll the dice for a free GDR at the beginning of the Information era.

>>155980872
But that's easily the most broken ability in the game.
>ancient era
>get composite bowmen
>classical era
>get knights
>industrial era
>get bombers

>>155980048
Civ is not supposed to be a simulation of history, it's ultimately a board game full of abstractions and that's fine

>>155980048
play Smallworld board game if you want shit like that

>>155980048
>Civ gameplay advancement are too linear. Small Civ getting stronger, dead civ stays dead, no entirely new civ rising from the interaction between 2 civs...
Play Revolutions. I'm pretty sure Rhyse and Fall of civilization does that too but it's a pain in the ass to manage, and I play C2C.

>Building up a nation in a secluded corner of a continent
>Good friends with Byzantine
>All six trade routes are going to him
>Declare friendship, open borders
>Sweden moves a settler near me
>Tell him to fuck off
>He doesn't and plops himself directly between two of my cities, on top of resources that I wanted
>Take his tiny city and the good resources
>He does it AGAIN
>Raze his city this time
>Time passes
>Byzantine declares war on me
>Turns out he has a huge army
Not sure why he's choosing war here since it's fucking over both our economies but it's fantastic

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>>155976017
Seems like a pretty bland civ desu. The only really unique deviation from the most generic of play styles is that you can completely ignore the religion game early on.

>>155980048

Way way back in the long long ago, I took Stalin's capital in a surprise attack with a catapult. The catastrophe caused Russia to split in two, with half their cities remaining white, and the other half turning blue and becoming the new nation of Germany, under Frederick. Even as young as I was, the memory of it is indelible.

Imagine if this ancient 'civil war' mechanic somehow made it into the modern games, and the shitstorm it would cause.

>>155981417
imagine if we got the throne room back

>>155981346
>The only really unique deviation from the most generic of play styles is that you can completely ignore the religion game early on.
The problem is that if you're actually concerned about religion then the Arabic UA is useless to you, because you'll want to be bootstrapping faith and get one of the FIRST prophets so you can get the good beliefs.
Last Prophet is only relevant if you don't care about religion very much, and if that's the case, ipso facto you don't need it then either.

>>155979981
>You mean a naval invasion
Well, I'd hope a certain amount of salty wetness was involved, yeah.

On the other hand, you can never be certain that a thrust of your attack does not miss teh intended target and ends up penetrating into areas further to the rear.
This might require some more preparations because the point where you breach the defenses can be a bit tighter in such cases.

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>>155981861
don't really feel like trying to come up with a smartass strategic counter to that

>>155981527
Don't go tryin to break my heart, anon.

>>155981782
>Last Prophet is only relevant if you don't care about religion very much
could be very useful in deity where AI gets such bonuses that it's impossible to get a religion normally.

>>155981937
>>155981527
Seriously how the fuck did we not get the fucking throne room when the ACTUAL FUCKING DIPLOMATIC SCREEN is basically just that? Give us the option to hand some laurels here and there, put on a crown or a chink empra hat or one of those goofy buddha hats or some shit, give us the option to add guards once we research X technology and oil lamps turning to chandeliers or some shit, how much work could it be if Skyrim modders can do it?

>>155982091
That depends on how they implement Deity. If they give the civs huge bonuses on turn 1 then you are correct. However early and very late game will be the only times you can actually be ahead if they only give AIs persistent bonuses on Deity.

CBP does the latter and you can reliably claim wonders and such in the Ancient Era because of it.

>post yfw Baba yetu comes on

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TWO PARTS GOD AND ONE PART MAN

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>>155982870

>>155977994
>>155978114
Rodeleros also come to mind, but yeah, the Spanish Tercio is a way more famous unit than the conquistador, from an actual military perspective.

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>>155982870

>>155982870
How could they do this song again different enough from the original to warrant it being the menu song of Civ 6?

>>155983646
>needing it to be different

>>155982870

Vanilla Civ 5's menu music was pretty ok. Gods and Kings was ok too. Brave New World's is awful. I hate it.

>>155983906
Tbh I stopped playng Civ after IV, had a bit of contact with V but didnt stick to it. Baba yetu just struck on me today and I hoped to share this feeling.

>>155982870
There's just something about both Baba Yetu and Mado Kara Mieru that make me emotional.

INCOMING FACTS ABOUT CIV6 CIVS ONCE AGAIN (NOT OPINIONS!)

>Pax Romana tier
Rome

>Top tier
China, Greece, Germany, Brazil, England, Kongo, Sumer

>Pretty good tier
Aztecs, India, Japan, Scythia, Spain, Arabia

>Okay tier
America, France, Egypt, Norway

>Shit tier
None so far, which is great

>>155986864
Arabia isn't on the same tier as Aztecs or Spain or Scythia, put him in Okay.

>>155986864
England is Top Tier? They have an improved museum

>>155986864
Why England in top tier? Shouldn't it be one tier lower?

Also, I think Rome has been too overrated around here... yeah it's free shit everywhere, but I think Brazil's adjacency science bonuses are more terrifying, and can help hues snowball extremely well.

>>155986937
The guaranteed religion bonus is pretty mediocre, but everything else seems solid to me

>>155986864
America is going to be underrated until launch. Then everyone is going to realize how powerful it is to have a combat bonus on your own continent. It's basically like your units are nearly an era ahead of everyone else from the very beginning of the game.

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Is Civ IV's Fall from Heaven II fun?
I have never played IV though. I have only ever owned III and V.

I felt like trying it. It looks similar to AoW, and I enjoyed AoW III.

Does Civ V has a equivalent version of it?

>>155987407
Yeah but only next to your capital. It just makes you hard to defeat, it doesn't help you win. Meanwhile, Rome.

>>155987632
>Does Civ V has a equivalent version of it?

>Civ V
>Complete overhaul mods

pick only one

>>155979623
>>155979732
There may still be more to the UA we don't know yet. They haven''t necessarily had all the details in these First Look videos, to the point where they emphasized that Gilgamesh had more than they listed on the same day as the video.

To bring up the leak from earlier, by the way, was it Kongo or Afonso who gets the +5 Great Work Slots in the Capital?

>>155987954
>they emphasized that Gilgamesh had more than they listed on the same day as the video.
GATE OF BABYLON

>>155987906
It's the whole continent, which at least lets you swing your dick and slap off whoever shares it from the start. I'd call that "helping you win", even if that's only one or two other Civs.

>>155987950
Isn't there that RoM equivalent

>>155988119
It's not the entire landmass though. It lets you slap off people who are close to you but that's about it and on Huge maps it's unlikely there's going to be more than one or two who spawn close enough for it to even matter and god help you if it's Montezuma or Rome or some shit that cares not about your puny gimmicks

>>155987906
>>155987407
>>155988119
England is going to be OP as hell on the new Pangea maps. It's one large landmass but made out of several continents.

Imagine spawning right next to the division between continents. Just expand that way and like 75% of the world will give you a combat bonus.

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Oh yeah, another one of these.

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>>155988331
>implying
Reminder this will be his geographic neighbor on Earth maps

I want to see a Vietnam civ just because I want to see a Vietcong UU

>less powerful but cheaper than the infantry unit which they replace
>start with a rank in Drill, and aren't visible to enemy so long as they begin and end their turn in jungle without attacking
>when a vietnamese city is taken, the city will automatically produce these units for x number of turns

>>155987950
Alright, alright. No need to get cheeky about it.

I did say the fantasy civs in the Worksop, but they were only fantasy variations of regular civs.

>>155988223
>Isn't there that RoM equivalent
link?

>>155988509
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=644328949&searchtext=Saga+Of+Man
Looks more like a C2C wannabe but maybe?

>>155988223
I was only counting the in-game division for a continent because they still said the map script would try to generate something like a "continent"(/map division) for every 2-3 civs in a game. It's true that the Aztecs are just about a hard-counter to an early rush from Teddy, though; 28 strength Warriors means they only need 2 luxuries to match that +10.

>>155988308
It's only for the Redcoats, though. They'll definitely shine in their time, but it's not a constant for all of England's units.

>>155975813
Would have been better if he denied a religion if he got a prophet before the penultimate one.

>>155989003
>It's only for the Redcoats, though. They'll definitely shine in their time, but it's not a constant for all of England's units.
My mistake.

So America is definitely going to be the new OP upon launch.

>>155988331
I love his deaign but it just doesn't look like a great warlord like Saladin to me. It's too decadent and effeminate.

>>155988331
>>155988467
Do we have one of these for Cleo?

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>>155989623
Are you an arab

>>155989763
I still don't know how attractive I find her.
>>155989857
No, why?

>>155989763
Her and Spain's animations are phenomenal relative to the other leaders.

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>>155989623
he looks like a scholar. which is fine and all, but they keep calling him a warlord, and pretty much every piece of art has him in chain mail and whatnot. plus his beard looks shit. I would have much preferred him like this. They could have stylized it easily and made him look imposing.

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>>155977204
>We have more than that in our history
[citation needed]

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>>155990473
>>155989623
>>155988331
He looks fine. The only thing he's missing is a scimitar on his belt.

>>155988509
>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=644328949&searchtext=Saga+Of+Man
is this really the best civ 5 modding has to offer? a new dawn has at least 2-3 times the amount of new buildings, techs, units, etc
not even comparing it to c2c

>>155992012
Yes it is. There's a reason Civ V modding is widely mocked even without delving into >multiplayer.

>>155992168
How come Civ 5 modding never really took off?

>>155992685
The game itself changed so many core mechanics that old mods couldn't be ported or used for inspiration
'historical' modding became basically impossible with all the systems it added.
The game isn't conducive to modding to begin with and the original draw of the game was minuscule, CiVanilla was just that fucking bad.
Multiplayer support is terrible making many people just quit the game before they got into it enough to mod it.

>>155989763
those perfectly shaped titties though

>>155993020
this
the mp for civ 5 on launch was a disaster, constant crashes/freezing/desyncs/, many mp veterans just quit out of disgust and never came back

>>155987632
Get the Rise from Erebus submod.

>>155989763
Post Spain and Sumeria pls

>>155993324
déjà fucking vu
I remember reading thsi exact message before.

>>155993598
I get this feeling literally every day, and like not only just the message but I feel like I've seen the exact same reply chains under the exact same external weather and lighting and shit

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>>155993723
And the curious thing is that I remember feeling déjà vu at it the first time too.

>>155989763
>>155993324
It's a shame they didn't bring her arms high enough towards the end of the vid to nudge her breasts and show off some boob collision physics.

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>>155993583
Spain with the smuggest Philip II you've laid eyes on.

>>155975813
Saladin looks like a faggot and nothing like the man from the stories, but I blame the art style for it

>>155994395
I can't stop watching it.

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>>155994014
That reminds me, I really hope we get this in Civ VI too.

>>155994395
I feel like the leader animations aren't complete at all. I mean his animations are fine, but that fucking sword. It just...hangs there, in place, floating, clipping into everything.

>>155993583
Sumeria is already here >>155988467

>>155987632
It's fun. Civ V has nothing.

The AoW series has slid further into the realm of the generic with each iteration.

>>155987632
The closest thing I can think of is the Meguka mod.

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>>155994395

>>155993598
>>155993723
>>155994014
those perfectly shaped tits though

>>155986864
>Germany
Germany is kind of shit

>UU only in industrial era
>attacking city states ever so everyone and their mother will hate you

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>tfw Arabia gets the last prophet and ensures you to kick his ass in combat every time

>>155996201
Shit I just realized that.

>>155995870
>Germany is kind of shit
Who cares about their UU and city state shit.
>Can build one more District than the population limit would normally allow
Means that they can build districts like fucking crazy. 3 pop a district is no laughing matter. As well as them getting that delicious half production industrial district that gets bonus production if it's near other districts or resources. They might not be exciting but Germany is going to be a production powerhouse, since you can make the industrial district pretty early on, and you can bet that every German city is going to build one first.

Which civ will have the most blasé playstyle?

There are less religions available than there are civs in a game again, right? Because kongo isn't that screwed then if others could potentially be blocked out of an entire victory type too.

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>>155975813
Saladin is for loving and caring

>>155995761
I'm not really into breasts or nudity but I would like to see hers naked.

>>155996569
It's basically half of the Civs in the game, up to I think 7 religions max?

>>155982870
I like terra novum more

>>155997580
>terra novum
What is this, Memehammer 40kek?

>>155995870
>Free military policy slot
>Unique industrial district
>Can build one district over the population limit

Sounds good to me

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Im just going to leave this here

>>155997941
you are a funny boi

>>155997941
No spot for Russia?
Is Russia European or Asian?

>>155997941
Cleopatra should actually be counted as North Africa while Gilgamesh, Tomirys, and Saladin should be in Middle East
Ghandi needs to be revoked.

>>155997941
Don't be lazy and put a meme on every leader

>>155998193
Peter's Russia is as European as it can get

>>155997941
>zero from Australia, southeast asia, or polynesia
That seems odd.

>>155997941
Cleo is qt.

>>155998297
As it were, those guys are Scythia tier in terms of world relevancy.

>>155998385
And yet Scythia has a nation and they don't, despite being far greater than Scythia in demographic relevancy, both modern and historical.

>>155998476
At the very least Scythia can be just widened to 'ancient era steppefags' who were absolutely relevant even if the Parthians make far more sense. Oceania is almost entirely irrelevant historically and I'll admit I didn't see SEA and thought you were talking about somewhere else somehow since SEA is absolutely relevant considering the other civilizations there.

>>155997941
Gas Europe.

>>156000887
i know you're in the mood since your civ just got their first look video, but calm down, sweden

>>155997941
Why does it have to be fucking ghandi? I love Indian history but I can never play India in modern civ games because they always have to include that fag as a leader.

>>155982870
you can hear the civ 6 theme in a play through of Japan (unlisted video). Theme is ok sounds like empire total war theme if any comparison

>>156002313
India as a united nation is a pretty great meme to begin with.

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First continuous game ever.

What should my first victory conditions be?

I've haven't been higher than Patrician level and never finished the tutorial campaign.

>>156002785
sink 20 ships

>>156003065

I'm playing with two AI opponents, if they sink 20 ships do I lose or does the game just keep going until I win?

>>156003259
idk, never played.

>>155987632

That faerun mod is a fantasy mod

>>156001932
It kind of stopped being funny after the first 500 times.

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>>155976017
b-but neither Saladin nor the Mamluks were Arabian...being an Arab isn't the same thing .

>>156002313
>modern civ games
Gandhi has been the leader in every civ game and is a meme because le nucear warmonger glitch.

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I want Landscapist, which means 15 points gotta come from somewhere. Advice? Considering offense last, science inefficient.

>>155976150
This, exactly. Gotta see all the beliefs first.

>>155976150
>>156006102
We know the beliefs (though it's possible they could still be balance-adjusted by launch).

Founder Beliefs
>Church Property: Gold +2 for each city following this Religion
>Lay Ministry: Each Holy Site or Theater Square district in a city following this Religion provides +1 Faith or +1 Cult respectively
>Papal Primacy: Type bonuses from City-States following your Religion 50% more powerful.
>Pilgrimage: Faith +2 for every city following this Religion in other civilizations
>Stewardship: Each Campus or Commercial Hub district in a city following this Religion provides +1 Science or +1 Gold respectively
>Tithe: +1 Gold for every 4 followers of this Religion
>World Church: Culture +1 for every 5 followers of this Religion in other civilizations
>Defender of the Faith: Combat units gain +10 Combat Strength near friendly cities that follow this Religion
>Holy Order: Missionaries and Apostles are 30% cheaper to Purchase
>Itinerant Preachers: Religion spreads to cities 30% further away
>Crusade: Combat units gain +10 Combat Strength near foreign cities that follow this Religion
>Missionary Zeal: Religious units ignore movement costs of terrain and features
>Monastic Isolation: Your Religion's pressure never drops due to losses in Theological Combat
>Scripture: Religious spread from adjacent city pressure is 25% stronger. Boosted to 50% once Printing Press is researched

>>156006435
why the hell is tithe still a thing

>>156006435

Follower Beliefs
>Divine Inspiration: All world wonders provide +4 Faith.
>Feed the World: Shrines and Temples provide Food equal to their intrinsic Faith output
>Jesuit Education: May purchase Campus and Theater Square district buildings with Faith
>Reliquaries: Relics have triple yield of both Faith and Tourism
>Religious Community: Shrines and Temples each provide +1 Housing
>Work Ethic: +1 Production for each follower
>Zen Meditation: +1 Amenity in cities with 2 specialty districts

Worship Beliefs
>Cathedral: +4 Faith, 1 slot for religious art
>Gurdwara: +3 Faith; +2 Food
>Meeting House: +3 Faith; +2 Production
>Mosque: +3 Faith; Missionaries and >Apostles +1 Spread Religion charge
>Pagoda: +3 Faith; +1 Housing
>Synagogue: +5 Faith
>Wat: +3 Faith; +2 Science

There are only 7 of each of these as there are only 7 possible religions in a game.

>>156006435
What's Cult?

>>156006929
Ah, didn't notice. That's just shortened from Culture.

>>156006929
I'm an idiot, it's Culture, not its own thing

>>156005937
Optimal defense isn't really needed.

whenever I try to use EUI in civ 5 it sticks some "science from cities" tooltip over every tooltip in the game

how do i stop this? the only google result is some guy who had a problem with a mod I'm not using. None of my other mods have their own UI folders.

>>156006567
I think most of these look balanced, there isn't any 15% more production or anything. Also most of the building at least look balanced.

>>156006435
However Tithe is still in and will probably still be the first choice unless population on average is a lot lower than civ V. Also are we sure all 14 of these are founders instead of the first 7 being founders and the second 7 being enhancer beliefs?

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>>156002785
Good luck, Anon.

Are you using IAAM?

>>156007973
What's this?

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>>156007758
They're entwined. When you found a religion, you pick a Follower Belief and a Founder Belief. You can then burn two Apostles to grab another Founder Belief and a Worship Belief.

(Noting too that there are 14 Founder Beliefs; this is probably so that most everyone has at least a partial shot at grabbing a Founder Belief they might like, since the pool stays open longer.)

>>156006435
>>156006567
Work ethic seems really good. +1 production from each pop.
Also, combat enhancing beliefs provide flat bonuses, which means they are more relevant early on and lose their relative impact as units get stronger over time.

If I were to make an optimal belief, I would go for:
>Tithe: +1 Gold for every 4 followers of this Religion
>Work Ethic: +1 Production for each follower
>Gurdwara: +3 Faith; +2 Food

>>156008389
>Also, combat enhancing beliefs provide flat bonuses, which means they are more relevant early on and lose their relative impact as units get stronger over time.
Wrong. Do you people even read the fucking threads?

>>156007973
Are there any city building games like Anno or Banished where you don't have to build everything on an ugly grid, but aren't about plonking down roads and painting districts like Cities: Skylines?

>>156008163
Well tithe might not be the end all be all of beliefs then, if you can choose beliefs that help spread, because those will definitely be more important now that it is a victory type.

Also the combat bonuses got buffed from civ V, and depending on the range, could be really strong

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>>156008389
You've missed the change to combat in Civ VI. The formula's based on the point difference of power between units now, so a +10 is relevant the entire game (it's basically an extra era of strength) - as long as you're using contemporary units.

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>>156008110
Mod for 1404 that completely overhaul the game.
Adds new buildings, production lines, misc stuff like rocks and mountains, Citizen's Needs, and many other things, including allowing you to build many buildings on harbors, Venice-style.

>>156006435
I fucking hope they work on them. It looks like they just copy pasted shit from 5 and called it a day. Why couldnt they actually try to rework founder beliefs and make them interesting diverse choices instead of "is tithe still available? no? well shit."

Evens - I preorder Civ VI
Odds - Wait for release and feedback

Dubs - get Deluxe pack

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>>156008441
Yes.

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>>156009043
It also adds an optional, complete reskin of normal buldings for snow-covered styled ones and a new set of asiatic/oriental buildings.

The mod was made by a team of German ANNO modders, so the translations are a bit wonky and some things don't have descriptions, but it's really nice.
Vencice-like construction also require complex instructions because the way it's implemented is that you need to build roads on the sea-floor and then place the buildings over the water, so it's a bit confusing if you don't read about it beforehand.

They also made a similar version of this mod for ANNO 2070 called ARRC 2170.

>>156008441
Not that I'm aware of, Anon.

>>156009273
Civ VI confirmed for shit until expansions fix it.

>>156006567
>Synagogue

>Not +5 gold

>>155975970
>Islam beliefs are a pile of garbage

Mate it's literally designed for global conquest and conversion. It's perfect for a game

>tfw shitty generals like /gsg/ are the fastest ones on this board while good generals like us almost fall off page 10

we don't deserve this

Holy guacamole Arabia seems strong.
Not Rome or Greece tier, but definitely on par with Brazil.

>>156012536
/gsg/ is so fast because most of the posts are cancer. I don't know what's the word I'm looking for. Shit. There we go. Off-topic maybe?

>>156006435
>Church Property: Gold +2 for each city following this Religion
>Pilgrimage: Faith +2 for every city following this Religion in other civilizations
>Tithe: +1 Gold for every 4 followers of this Religion
>World Church: Culture +1 for every 5 followers of this Religion in other civilizations
I wish they would stop this "gold works on everyone's cities but the rest of it only works on foreign cities" shit. It makes picking anything but Tithe or Church property first a waste, especially since the AI is so anal about converting shit.

>>156006567
Meeting House > Wat > Mosque > Gurdwa = Pagoda > Synagogue >>> Cathedral

I noticed rice is in the game. Are they improved with plantations or farms?

>>156012536
>/gsg/
>fast
No it isn't, it's actually been slower than 4xg recently.

>>156012536
Pretty much every fast general is only fast due to large amounts of shitposting. This general is fine as it is

Has Firaxis said if allocating amenities from luxuries can be done manually? You just know that the AI is going to fuck up and allocate your amenities to some low-pop shit hole and let your major cities fall into revolt. I hate it when these games don't let you manage all your own shit by yourself.

>play william
>spawn with 3 marsh
>2 of them have sugar under it
>the other one is my oil tile

civ 6 is ugly as sin
literal mobile game seriously why the fuck you do this. normies won't the game anyway, why bother with clash of clans style.

>>156007129
Not a chance. There's tough and then there's invincible, and I'd rather have the latter.
Something I just noticed; BLs can take We Chosen Few, and for them it's -20 points for "just" the double expansion disproval. That's a fuckton of disproval, and BLs wanna go wide, but they also don't care as much about staying happy. Could something happen there?

>>156014235
My favorite criticism because it's so extremely removed from reality.

>>156014235
Used to think the same, but if you watch some gameplay vids that the devs recently released you'll notice there's a lot of detail and the textures aren't as bad as they seemed in those first pics we got. That Day/Night cycle is also sweet. Overall, I was very vocal about its horrid art style, but after watching for a bit, it does grow on you and you won't notice it as much.

>>156014235
I honestly preferred the Art Deco style of Civ V, but I still like the a e s t h e t i c of Civ 6. I don't see how it's bad.

>>156014235
It's gotten better, my gripe was always with the leaders at any rate.

Explain this to me. Roman Baths replace the aqueduct, but in the Rome reveal vid the bath building is siting right the fuck in front of an aqueduct.

>>156015905
The "Baths" district might just be the "Roman Waterworks" district, since they're also famous for aqueducts and bathes got their water from aqueducts more often than not

>>156015582
What do you mean you don't want to play as Miss "fucked my way into importance" or Sir "tried to swim in full plate" or Hojo "not Emperor Meiji" Tokimune?

>>156016234
All three of those are actually pretty important, I meant the leader artstyles. You want to gripe about bullshit leaders, gripe about Tomyris and her entire civ and Gor-fucking-go.

Stellaris patch fucking when?

>>156016476
after the DLC

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The art style for the leaders reminds of Albert Uderzo's style. I can easily see all of them being portrayed in an Asterix comic without looking out of place.

>>156016234
>Sir "tried to swim in full plate"
Who did this?

>>156017625
We don't really know how Freddy Barbarossa actually died but the legend is he drowned in the rivers on the road to the Holy Land because he was in armor.

Barbaross is F A T

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>Be peaceful America, sitting at the far north of a continent
>Keep to myself and sell my coffee
>Go to war once to liberate a city state I was trading with, but liberation bonus cancelled out the warmonger penalty
>Everyone else on the continent is in perpetual war
>Still friends with all of them except Assyria because of the City State
>Ottomans suddenly settle on my border
>Ottomans suddenly accuse me of amassing troops on their border because they settled right next to them
>Ottomans start trying to spread their shit religion to me
>Now this
How the AI goes from bro-tier to scumbag in a matter of turns will never cease to amaze me.

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>>156015905
>>156016038
They replace the "Aqueduct" district but they still have an aqueduct. It's mostly for the sake of unique names; the Acropolis district still has all the features of the Theatre Square district with an...acropolis added.

The unique districts are really less "replacements" and more "District PLUS."

>>156018424
Looks more like a goddamn forum to me

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Please explain.
I'm really, really struggling to understand this.

>>156019948
prison colony

>>156019948
gulag

>>156019948
Defensible as fuck
Also just watch there'll be like twenty units of Oil there

>>156019948
Oil and deer I guess

>>156019948
McMurdo Station

>>156019948
Nigga, he knows what he's doing.

>>156016234
>>156017625
>>156017761
>Cannot swim because muh armour

He probably just really didn't know how to swim. If it was the armour that was the problem, then a modern soldier with full gear and backpack that weigh twice as much as a full suit of plate would sink like a rock.

>>156021617
The likely reason is because he somehow underestimated the river's current or something. Swimming a relatively calm river and swimming in a violently flowing river is not the same thing.

>>156021617
He was also old as shit during that time.

>>156021617
I thought about that, but wouldn't plate not give you the range of motion needed to swim well

I'm playing Venice in Civ5, is Patronage the meme it seems like it is? It just felt awful to get it after Tradition, but I couldn't grab rationalism. Without policy saving Is commerce better until I'm trying to buy out every city-state on the map?

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IT'S SAULA DEEN Y'ALL

>>156019948
Expect a fleet of submarines here, if he lives up to this point. jk AI can't into naval units, let alone submarines, so it's just him being retarded.

>>156022604
Patronage is great. It lets you stay friends with city states for much longer than normal, which will save you gold in the long run. Commerce is kinda weak, it's just 25% of base gold generation in your capital. Trade routes don't count.

>8 cities
>no coal
every game. i have to use oxford for radio every fuckin game

>>156025945
Coal should really be discovered before factories, the oxford radio sling shot is much more reliable and discounts all the techs you skip

>>156022604
The best part about patronage is forbidden palace. Nothing after that is worth it. Especially the great people gifting. It's biased to give you only great admirals or something.
Go commerce if you need a filler before rationalism

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>Let's make a peaceful, noble diplomatic faction
>then let's give them vision over everyone else's starting location and brick shitfist unkillable starting unit
What were frenchies thinking?

>>156026261
Patronage probably saves more money than you would make in commerce as well as getting you the science policy rather early

>>156025945
That's what you get for not being Anglo.

>>156026320
Just because you're focused toward diplomatic means doesn't mean you shouldn't have the option of war or be stomped by a neighboring necrophages.

>>156027231
There's a difference between having "an option of war" and being able to walk straight to your neighbour with your starting army of hamdragons, declare war with influence that you get due to settling on a ruin and take his capital in couple of turns while laughing at his attempts to kill your dudes. Then fetch a couple reinforcing squads and go on to the next poor fuccboi that was unlucky enough to spawn near you. Drakken are literally the only faction in the game that can do this.

>>156026451
The science from city states is fucking nothing.
Their city sizes are too small and they don't build science buildings in a timely manner and don't have access to national college.
The more influence from gifts is nice but requires too much investment into that terrible tree to pay off.

>>155981925
what do those breasts feel like?

>NDA lifts in 11 hours 30 minutes.

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>>156028316
Soft and slimy.
Or rigid, really, whatever you like since it's a slime and can manipulate its physical properties to some extent.

>>156027763
>Drakken are literally the only faction in the game that can do this.
Just play as the Roving clans and get the dumb lizards to do your dirty work for you.

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>Baba yetu

>>156006567
>+1 Production for each follower
There's a cap on this right?

>>156029302
What about him?

>>156029714
It's a Follower Belief, which means it only counts in that particular city. So you can get, like, maybe +20 production in the capital where you founded your religion but you might only have +3 in your border cities that you barely spread your faith to.

>>156006567
>Zen Meditation: +1 Amenity in cities with 2 specialty districts
What does Amenity do again?

>>156030103
basically happiness

>>156030103
>>156030146
Yeah, it's basically local happiness.

You need 1 Amenity for every 2 population over 1 (so 3 = 1, 5=2, 7=3, etc.) to keep a city happy, if you have more amenities than you need, you get growth and yield bonuses, I think there's at least two stages of happiness, like at +1-2 Amenities and at +3-4 Amenities.

Luxury resources give +1 Amenity per unique resource per city, but each copy normally only covers 4 cities' worth (so it'll probably be worth it to actually get multiple copies and not just for trading fodder)

>>156030886
What happens if you lose amenities and go unhappy?

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>>156031282
Growth and yield penalties. Might have more severe problems if they can go too deeply negative, but I don't know.

Just having unhappy cities doesn't seem like it'll tank your whole empire on their own, but they'll be less productive.

>>156031282
refuses to work...

>>156031282
Lose growth, production, money, a little of everything.

I don't know if cities can rebel if they get too unhappy.

>>155977346
I'd like to be able to marry leaders from the opposite sex whom you're friendly enough or that are too scared of your army to refuse.

Why is Baba Yetu so good?

>>156028428
sounds like heaven tbqh

>>156031468
Do you know if all tile improvements give housing or just farms and some of the unique stuff?

>>156032209
Pretty sure all districts give at least a little housing, but I don't think every tile improvement does.

>you can harvest resources, like wheat or stone, to remove the resource and gain a boost.
Why would you want to do this ever? Working that wheat tile for 20 turns or something is the same as harvesting, and everything after that is profit.
Maybe you can harvest bananas for your brazilwood camps or whatever it is that's fucking up your moai train.

>>156032545

>Why would you want to do this ever?

If they're outside your city radius and settling another city wouldn't be worth it.

>>156009043
It adds more stuff? wtf?

I barely have space to use what's in the base game.

Does it work well though? is it polished?

>>156032209
Adjacent Water access determines the starting Housing- no water= base 2 Housing, salt water (coastal)= base 3 Housing, fresh water (river, lake, oasis)= base 5 Housing.

The Aqueduct district adds +2 Housing to cities with fresh water access, or brings the base Housing up to 6 for those without. (Baths add an additional +1 Housing)

Palace adds +2 Housing in your capital.
Granary adds +2 Housing (built in the City Center)

Farms and Plantations add +0.5 Housing each.
Barracks and Stables (built in Encampments) add +1 Housing.
University (built in Campus) adds +1 Housing.
Lighthouse (built in Harbor) adds +1 Housing.

Neighborhoods add a variable amount of Housing based on the Appeal of the tile they're sited on.
(The Mbanza ignores this and adds a flat +5 Housing, but must be built on Rainforest or Woods tiles)

There will be other ways to boost Housing, that's just some of the known numbers.

>>155989763
Isn't she supposed to be hot? I hope they improve the models.

>>155997941
Seriously, Montezuma looks as a badass warmonger in Civ V.

>>156032545
With districts being around, and adjacency bonuses being really important, being able to harvest a tile lets you build a district in the right spot to maximize bonuses.
Also, if the boost scales, then I could see it happening late game (harvest stone to finish a SS part).

Are they bringing back xcom squads?

>>156033772
Those were retarded though
Just bring in Spess muhreens if you're bringing in anything

>>156028278
>More influence from gifts is nice but requires too much investment
Is two policies too much? I noticed the science is basically nothing. The tree otherwise seems awful. Makes me wonder if going Piety and trying to get Theocracy before Rationalism becomes available would be a decent idea, either for Korea or for Venice. I'll have to try that on my next couple of games as either.

>>156033772
please dont

>>156033772
True patricians turned off Xcom and GDR

>>156034152
True patricians finish the game before they are even built.

>>156034260
>Not wanting nuclear cold wars

>>156034309
>cold wars
once I get nukes I start deleting the shitty AI cities on my borders with them

>Civ 6 is released
>there are no nuclear ICBMs
Rustled, my jimmies would be.

>>156034493
I wish the late game was fleshed out more and not just a rush for science victory parts.

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>>156032784
>>156009457
>It adds more stuff? wtf?
Yes, it adds new products and Needs, as well as smaller, less powerful versions of already existing buildings, among other things.
It also changes the original needs of all settlers (cow products are Citizen Need, instead of a Nobility one, and nobles get even more luxury needs).

You gotta be careful when starting pre-designed scenarios like the original campaign though. Since the settlers have new Needs but the scenarios themselves are left untouched you will have riots barely starting the game because their needs are not being met.

>Does it work well though? is it polished?
I believe every mechanic works at it should, but you will have problem understanding some things since some of the new buildings descriptions (because they lack german translation on some things((?)) are blank and you have to figure out what they do by experimenting.

For some reason two of the Venice scenarios had their descriptions erased, their pictures replaced and they had voice added to them, but if I remember correctly they work as they should.

Your production layout guides will probably become useless, because IAAM changes the size of several the farms and their number required for each production building.

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>>156034639
Just do what I do
play domination only

>>156034639
Everything about Civ 6 seems to be shaping up well but I'm getting this bad feeling like the game itself will feel short, with very few military upgrades.

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>>156034656
>>156032784
You should give it a try anyways.

You can make a copy of your untouched folder as a back up and restore it if you don't feel particularly comfortable with the mod.

The 2070 mod is certainly much more polished than it's 1404 counterpart.

So what the fuck do you do in Anno anyway? I've seen it posted a few times but I don't understand what you are meant to do. Is it entirely a city builder or are their rival cities you have to conquer?

>>156034639
They really just need to add a actual nuke/cold war system and possibly polution

Is the 25th Anniversary edition pre-orderable?

>>156035148
As far as the base game goes, it's mostly a logistics sim. There's varying degrees of combat but they're never really a focus over just building up a city and getting production chains flowing to keep it growing and adding complexities without running dry on resources somewhere in the mix.

And of course making a good looking settlement while balancing all this.

when is the most disappointing civ game yet being released? I am fucking bored, hurry up with it already.

>>156033772
they confirmed no xcom.

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>>156035148
>Is it entirely a city builder or are their rival cities you have to conquer?
Both actually, though it's gameplay it mostly centered around city-building.

You can play it by yourself in a peaceful scenario or a sandbox (with or without end goals).
You can play with multiple computer players with different personalities and levels of competence or multiplayer (but multiplayer is basically dead).

There are multiple, different victory conditions.
>Win Scenario-specific Quest.
># Wealth Accumulated
># Miscellaneous Quests Completed
>Monuments Built (think Wonders)
>Diplomacy (unite all player in alliances or be the last survivor)
>Ship sunks
># Envoys Settled
># Nobles Settled
>Obtained all attainments (think Policies)
># Metropolis Quest completed.

>>156034816
Even worse the C2C guys have said they have no plans to mod civ vi either
I really want a x64 version of C2C ;_;

>>156036682
this is probably because it would take them so fucking long. im sure there will be other overhauls similar if the mod support is good.

>>156036682
>C2C
wat

I've seen "C2C" posted a lot but I've no idea what does it mean, what is a C2C?

>>156035408
This idea makes me erect