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Final Fantasy General CCLXXXVIII - /ffg/

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Best Bros Edition

>General info on Final Fantasy
The Wiki: finalfantasy.wikia.com
"What version should I play?" Information: http://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn

>FFXV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsVhwsUFaDE
https://youtu.be/cji-L0hu1Io
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUsOpKnHtZY
https://youtu.be/aH0jj4NWFYA
https://youtu.be/Wepgwx_9kto

>FF XII: The Zodiac Age
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NsStczT8E
https://youtu.be/274X0SjKx8M

>World Of FF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNMey5SKKkc
https://youtu.be/_FdGg3KKIcE

>FF XI
/ffg/ has a linkshell on Asura: "FearTheVoid"!
FFXI's August update: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/51154?_ga=1.139137075.1275968002.1463817636_ga=1.110236805.1275968002.1463817636
https://wiki.dspt.info/index.php/DarkStar_Servers

>FF Record Keeper
Game Mechanics PDF: http://happypluto.com/~misterp/r/ffrk.pdf
Upcoming Banners List: http://bantha.org/~dscotton/ffrk.html
Friend Codes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjUI0AwTAoBxuZlGQQZfaEQMnNt2bUdzm0gMZHXq4Cs/edit#gid=0
FAQ Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/BxEKaTg3

>FF Brave Exvius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bhRtof5oOA
Friend Codes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vqMFkPjm0cbnxR37U8ATXZEgRPspHSR8UyeCFkTEq10/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0

>Mobius FF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ipfJv4Qp6g

>Justice Monsters V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ785B_u6lc

>Other game information
http://pastebin.com/cPCCGXNy

>Vayneposter Filter
https://ghostbin.com/paste/tsjzh

Last Thread >>155005317
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>>155092496
Huh. What did the guy who tried to start a
thread do to get it removed?
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This thread is for the worship of the one true goddess. No other waifus may be posted.
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>>155092696
Well, okay, but you accidentally posted Lightning instead.
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So who here is actually getting WoFF next month?
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anyone knows where to find the video of the most recent FFXV presentation at TGS?
Not the trailers, the presentation itself
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>>155092686
I have no idea what the fuck happened. Apparently my ISP decided to sperg out only at the exact moment I posted a thread and just deny my connections for like 5 minutes. It was a shame, too, I double checked the thread for any other links worth adding.
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>>155092789
I'm getting the CE, that pop up book looks amazing
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>>155092696
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>>155092789
Me for vita.
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>>155092789
For my Vita, yes.
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So is this Behemoth jacket supposed to be DLC or is it in game?

>>155093009
>>155092943
Have we even seen this game running on Vita yet?
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Why was VII the only one released for the PS4?
I wanna whatever in space in 4K
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>>155092129
Lulu's Focus stacks with other MAG buffs. That's instant B tier material.

Fang has a double break SB, a dual element SSB, and an imperil for those elements. Dragoon is also outright better than spellblades if you manipulate air time and also includes a strong array of 5* dps skills. Again, at least B/C material.
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So I have about 50k mogcakes left after buying the pestle, shield, summon tix and some megacites.. what else should I get? Is the trust moogle really that worth it?
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Is Cecil any good in RK? Or is Agrias better?
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>>155093674
Star Quartz, Fine Alcrysts, Screamroots, maybe some of the percentage boost skills. Get the sacred crystals if you haven't already and spend something on Gigantuars if you have stuff that needs grinding.
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>>155093718
Cecil is top tier if you have his BSB, but outside of that Agrias outclasses him in skillset I think. She even has Spellblade on top of it.
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>>155093674
Star Quartz is good to stockpile. Screamroots are rare. Get all the megacites, esper EXP is a pain to grind.
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>>155093674
Moogle is the second least valuable prize behind the rabbitfoot.

For 200 NRG you can get the same results spread evenly across 5 units.

Technically the magicite is cheaper than that if you convert NRG to cakes. Anything is.
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>>155093674
>Is the trust moogle really that worth it?
Do you have Zidane?
Do you expect to roll Zidane, or Gilgamesh sometime in the future?
Then yes. Dual Wield is like tacking on a seventh character. It's bullshit.
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Just woke up so don't knowif it was posted previus thread but
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>>155093147
It's DLC in Japan, at least. The other casual outfits are all in game.
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>>155094336
>we got notkairi and notsora before Ultimecia
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>>155093718
Have his BSSB? He's pretty much top tier. That says something since Agrias is near or is also top tier with her soul breaks.

Other than that, hes's solid but Agrias is probably better. She has better offense, but Cecil is better defensively, he also has a default soul break worth a damn which is a rarity.
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>>155094398
its a goddam crime desu
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>>155094398
>implying they aren't notNamine and notRoxas
Get you KH clones right.
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>>155094193
>For 200 NRG you can get the same results spread evenly across 5 units.
>having 5 copies of every unit
what fucking whaleitis is this
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Is it worth to keep more than 2 of same unit? Is so, which ones?
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Is there a way to reliably farm trust in BE?
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>>155093497
Not many people run magic based parties.

Faris also has double break sb, hell even a fullbreak sb.
Kain also can double break, and has enelement bsb which is way better than imperil.
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>>155094525
Earth Shrine negro. You're not very good at math.

You have a 10% chance to get 0.1% trust. In 200 runs, that means each character should average out to 2% trust.

What's 2 times 5?
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Apparently another two things they confirmed on TGS were
>Emperor and CoD playable soon
>new system involving some sort of magic stones(magicite?)
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>>155094647
Trust jews are still valuable to hold onto if only for down the line when you pull something like Lightning or any other base 5* that you have a fraction of a chance to even pull.
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>>155094698
Oh absolutely, they're not bad to have.

But if you didn't make enough mogcakes to afford the moogle AND everything else, everything else is more valuable.

You'd spend less NRG farming trust than you would farming espers. And with ANOTHER new esper on the way in JP, you've got a lot of espers to farm.
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>>155094634
yes
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>>155094647
Are you literally blind
Did you not see the second sentence of my post
It doesn't matter if you get a cumulative 10% if it's 2% to the guy you want and 8% to all your fucking Bedile copies, so unless it's 5x of the same unit, it's not the goddamn same.
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>250 pull
>get this
My first rainbow crystal pull
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>>155094947
Congrats, fucking awesome pull.
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>>155092496
>No XIV information

>FF XIV
Patch 3.4 on 27th September
https://youtu.be/8JPfQb549Eo

for next OP
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Yes! My 5th Vivi!
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>>155094639
The survey is for current relics only, though, right? Kain doesn't have his BSB right now so Fang's relics are better.

Also, Fang's BSB grants EnWind and she has her own imperil wind - that's a huge 2in1 for a character.
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>>155094917
Even 1000 NRG (technically 50% trust) is less than you'd spend on megacyte farming dingus.

At 8 NRG a pop Phantom Forest is fucking expensive.

Moogles are nice, but they're not so nice in this event right now. There's no way to cut it where they're a good deal unless you don't macro.
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>>155095040
ty senpai
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>>155094947
>Pull CoD day one
>Kefka day two
>Now this
Not complaining about being able to double CoD if I wanted and the fact that I've gotten 3 on banner pulls in a row, but meh. No more daily pulls for me, I want to actually save up now.
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>>155093674
phoenix down and elixirs
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>>155095081
my own twin
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>when you get an offbanner pull that's actually good

nice
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>>155095113
I thought fangs bsb only gives imperil wind.
Huh.
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Is anyone here actually bothering with farming tm?
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Third day and still no CoD, at least I can grind Hayate's TM
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>>155095435
macrofags do
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>>155095435
Too many events back to back to really get started. I have Chiz and Zidane at 20% each so far but I don't macro.
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>>155095435
Suffering
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>>155095319
>>155095391
Step back kids, let the real professionals handle this.
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>>155094682
Playable in what, anon?
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>>155095446
I feel your pain. Pulled a second 3* Kefka though.
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III, IV, or VIII?
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>>155095789
III
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>>155095789
VIII
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>>155093782
>>155094174
>>155094193
>>155094274
>>155094775

Thanks a ton for the advice, y'all. Seeing that I don't have a Zidane or anything with a great TMR, I'll just grab the rest of the megacites and some of those sacred crystals.
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>>155095567
You'll get there soon.
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>>155095695
rk
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So what's the hardest FF by way of actual strategy?
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>>155094634
Macro Earth Shrine.
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>>155095054
Sorry anon, I tried. Hiro's website was some dumb fucking shit and shat on me just as I made the new thread.
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>>155095883
Hello whale.
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>>155096046
>macro
>in a mobage
I would very much rather not
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>>155095912
III
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Vayneposter are you here

You obviously havent drawn from a banner for so long but you have like 169 stamina so I'm actually curious what SBs and party you have that lets you beat all the current content anyway
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>Lands of Plenty
>boss is that fucking ooze thing
>not too tough but drains all of Chorizo's and Exdeath's MP
>have to fight the gigas shit afterwards
>not too tough but the faggot's got a lot of HP and defenses and I'm pretty low on resources
>have to fight a third boss with break immunity, paralyze and a massive aoe attack
I guess I'll have to bring consumables for this shit.
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>>155094336
Will they be their own realm ("WoFF"?) or realmless, or maybe just FFI?
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>>155096146
So you'd rather play the damn thing?

Don't you have a life anon?
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>>155096327
>getting your ass kicked with that team
anon pls
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>>155093147
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>>155095016
>pulgbtlgbt with me

You okay there, anon?
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>>155096417
Well it was either that or pulitlit with me.

bring back /l/
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>>155096401
That was my point. This shit is surprisingly tough and you shouldn't underestimate it.
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>>155096348
Don't think any more details were given
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>>155096146
If you macro it to run 24/7 it will still take a literal (literal literal, not the bullshit literal) month.

Because it's the greatest system in the world.
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>Earth Dragon in Opera House
>RK says it's weak to wind and water
>alright let's do this shit
>one Quake kills everyone

Now that I think about it, there was a reason Opera House Part 2 was a long ways down the FFVI list in RK.
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>>155096410
Dude is channeling his inner Slav.
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>>155096327
So is the third boss immune to paralyze or does it USE paralyze?
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>>155096697
it uses paralyze
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>>155096565
But all the current event bosses in VI are easy though. Except for U+, that was hard.
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>>155094775
Honestly, future events with exploration nodes give a ton of megacite, farming phantom forest will be faster in the short run, but you can very easily max all espers just from doing events. I am pretty sure most whales already have 999+ megacites of all colors at this point.
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lands of plenty indeed
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Have you beat the PRO exploration yet, /ffg/?

Spoilers: it's fucking hard.
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>>155096498
You're actually right. I couldn't auto the mobs to death in 1 turn. Had to use skills to do so. I'd put the mobs somewhere around INT Colosseum S3 difficulty?
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>>155096928
No energy at the moment.
Wouldn't be an issue if stupid fucking me didn't accidentally claim all on my daily stock.
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Lands of plenty pro is fucking tough. Have to fight like 4 shitty damage sponge bosses at the end.

And all for 8 cavern ores! Wow!
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>>155096959
You mean you might actually have to use a tent on a run if you get bad encounter RNG or hit all of the gather spots?
Shit, this might be too hard for me.
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Post strong FF women looking cute and vulnerable.
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>>155096798
I don't see how Ultros was hard apart from that you had to debuff him every phase honestly. He was a lot easier than Bartz who basically just frontloaded the difficulty because DeNA fucked up.
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>>155097036
>8 cavern ores

So only 10 runs to make the sword, not bad honestly
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>>155097047
I'd advice you to bring an escape user and a tent, yes.
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>>155096928
>grind event
>3 boss fights
>they have absurd amounts of defense
cleared it with my physical team, gonna try my mage team later.
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the fuck is this
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>>155097036
>And all for 8 cavern ores!
>200 energy for one sword
>3 days to do it
I may have to burn one bit of lapis, but I'm getting this sword.

>>155097175
I'm slapping that charm bracelet or whatever on someone to help, but yeah I'm probably going to aim for a good Locke friend or something for even more ease, because this event is giving out a lot of the needed materials too.
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Is it just me or the is pro vortex enc rate fucking insane?
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>krile already at LB level 3
god bless this girl
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Speaking of polls, new Noctis' songs just dethroned Somnus.
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>>155097360
Charm Bangle.
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>trying to get Chiz
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The fucking ooze drained all of Exdeath's MP again. Thankfully I brought a Tent this time and switched Lenna to Ramuh for Osmose so I could Cheer to my heart's content.
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Hows land of plenty for farming fire/ice megacrysts?
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>>155097470
I'll craft one after this run. Exasperating stuff. Has anyone gone into pro with a bangle? Would like to know the encounter rates with it on.
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>boss 1 is basic ooze
So far the only thing I can recommend is poisona to save MP if you bring Lenna
not that I've been healing much just autoing for the most part with a few cures here and there
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>That difficulty spike from ADV to PRO
This may actually be worse than the previous exploration event. This is NOT okay.
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>>155097680
>Craft
Anon, it's an earth key reward.
-25% encounter rate, though it does work if a friend is running one too, but it would only be actually -45% rather than -50%.
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>boss 2
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>kill ooze
>run three steps forward
>Hill Gigas
>might actually be tankier than Intangir and Frost Dragon combined
>magnitude 8
>lol
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o-oh god
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>>155097727
Isn't this the bullshit that saps the fuck out of your MP?
I'm going to enter this fight with full LBs whenever possible, because fuck this thing.

>>155097889
This one doesn't seem too terrible. I imagine blind would be pretty handy if it's the only thing he's vulnerable to.
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Map up at the wiki.
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>>155098010
He's defense is fucking insane 2 300+ Chizuru's with no cheer do fuck all
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>>155098010
>>155098087
I brought a 457 ATK WhaleMILF >>155098003 and it still did fuck for damage.
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>>155098087
can you break him?
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>>155098087
>>155098113
Sounds like it's a good thing I have a Kefka and WoL.
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>>155098127
>>155098156
Immune to breaks

JP only got a handful of Breakproof enemies.
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>Last boss
Tent is a good idea
All 3 resist FB
He hits hard as shit
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I..I'm sorry Gumi. When I asked for harder content I did not expect to get this.
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>>155096928
What I wanna know is

How
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This is gonna be easy. Like anons said, tent/bangle/escape to save most of MP.
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>>155098248
I just finished he's pretty hard I would imagine with teams lacking tanks would have a much more difficult time. Good test of how your team is composed tbqh.
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>>155096928
Just did it, actually having a fight right after the last boss was quite scary with 4 people with blind and out of MP to esuna, luckily I had an esper and two LBs filled.

Also, the recipe takes 2 days of crafting and 150k, but at least cavern ore drops a lot so only wood will be a problem
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>>155096928
Did it but I have no Kefka of my own yet to use escape. So I have to use Kefka friends to escape reliably. I may end up doing enough runs to get 2-3 Shining Splendors though.

This may be the first content that we need tanks for. Though my priority for the moment is the Dunes to get Terra maxed out, then blow out my reserve energy on the Pro Lands of Plenty.
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>>155098648
I think I got plenty of lumber out of INT, like, around 10 or more of them.

If 10 really is the average then you'd be needing 40+ runs of INT to make the last sword.
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>>155097680
Charm bangle seems to do jack shit, I still can't run around more than 5 steps or so before getting swarmed by 6 zubats.
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need to bring ethers next time
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> Break abilities works on all bosses, but second and third boss has a chance to resist them
>Full Break counts as 4 separate breaks and may be resisted individually, but it's still highly recommended
Info on the wiki.

If this is true then I'll bring WoL and Vaan and keep breaking those fuckers until it sticks.
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>>155100739
god damn that's too cute
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>everyone having difficulty with their 5* dream teams

Fuck.

I just have muh 5* ExDeath, 3* Celes and Leo, and 4* Terra and Kefka.

I have an untrained 3* Krile, and another untrained 4* Leo.

Should I just grind cactus instead of wasting my time on PRO?
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>>155100841
>Should I just grind cactus instead of wasting my time on PRO?
Yes.
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>>155100802
I think they are immune to Armor and Mental Breaks. You still can power and magic break them.

>>155100841
Grind Cactus first. Prioritize Terra and Kefka, especially Kefka since you want to use Escape to conserve MP on the way to the bosses.
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Would Ramza have become a Sword Saint post-Tactics?
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At least you can charge limits between fights
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>>155100841
If your team isn't maxed, you're fucked.
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>>155100887
>>155100897
>>155100913

Much appreciated.

Gonna need to grind the fuck out of Sacred Crystals, once the Cactus event is over.
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>>155100976
>Gonna need to grind the fuck out of Sacred Crystals, once the Cactus event is over.
Story of my life
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Sounds like I should finish leveling this Kefka to 80 before doing Pro.
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jesus these fuckers are tanky
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So the bosses each drop the ores then? Nothing from the mobs themselves?
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>>155101594

Still, shouldn't take long
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>11 more points in MAG or 30 more MP

Fuck it, one more cast of Thundaga is probably worth more for explorations.
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Do you have to kill the bosses every run to get the ores or are they just for the recipe? Is there another exit?
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>>155101689
Ores are from collection points
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>>155102047
Yes and no.
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>>155102217
Every point or just the ones at the end?
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Mobius=RK>>>>BE
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>at 21506 Mog Cakes

We're not getting anymore free Premium cake material packages anymore are we?
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>>155102457
* > shit > RK = BE = Mobius
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She needs to be in more games.
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WTF I just fought a Minituar cactus in Golzas Canyon Exploration, and it dropped a Star Jewel.

Died like a boss mob.

Neato.
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So, do I want a mage team to fight these bosses? Does magic do more damage than chizuru?
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>>155103418
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>>155103471
The bosses are strong to both physical and magic so it doesn't matter. You'd want AoE physical users more for the trash mobs because they cost less than -aga spells.
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>>155103938
What the fuck does it even matter when you lose all your MP to the bleb.

The ONLY way to win is to use a tent or hope he doesn't osmose. FACT.
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>>155103938
Escape is better because you can save on MP for the bosses. Kefka friends are going to be invaluable for this purpose since he is a hard hitter and has escape for saving MP. Also max out on Turbo Ethers and Ethers and Tents for this purpose.
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Which FFRK pack should I pull in Mobius as a Red Mage
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>>155093147
>Have we even seen this game running on Vita yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP41ZSdYpe8

It looks more or less the same
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>>155104073
Yeah but I don't have a Full Breaker, so WoL and Vaan are my preferred choice for friend units
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>>155104038

>round 1
>osmose on both Kefkas

This living pile of shit knows what the fuck it's doing. And why the fuck does esper osmose cost 10 mp.
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>>155104461
I think the real heart of the issue is that we don't have MP recovery options in global yet, but they're hitting us with bosses that require it early.

This is payback for us getting Intangir late.
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>>155104540
Ethers and Tents are readily available
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>>155104379
They made this event with you having access to either Kefka or WoL from the banner. Since I have WoL, I have no need for a Full Breaker so I can use Kefka friends to escape from the stupidly draining randoms to just hit all of the exploration points and the bosses only.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idqYBV_xwKI
PS4 version fukin when?
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>>155104801
next year
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>>155104801
Some of those outfits looks ridiculous.
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>>155104801
More like Mobile Dissidia when
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>>155104595
I can auto the trash just fine actually, my LBs heal back what little I lose.

It's the fucking boss rush
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>>155105047
>another mobage
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>>155105078
Yeah, at minimum I have to use a Turbo Ether on Lenna and that's only because my team is all physical with Chiz and bunny slut have 300+ att, so I can afford just normal attack when they're drained empty.
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ded general, ded fantasy
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>>155105078
Full Break is your best friend still, even with their resist to the DEF and SPR down ones as cutting their attack power by 30% is useful. This may be the first content that actually requires a tank as 2 of the bosses are stupidly hard physical hitters. I might switch my friend unit from my 312 MAG Exdeath to WoL for this content since a tank is necessary for the Shining Splendor.

We might be getting the 6* Awakenings soon given the power of the enemies in this content.
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>10 cavern ores from the first run
>I have to do at least 8 more runs of this nightmare for ONE Shining Splendor

Well, shit.
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How do I transfer my save file in BE to another device? I just want to start farming TMs
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>>155104801
>SeeD Squall
Aw yiss. Between this and the jeans alts, he's the best dressed protag in Dissidia overall.
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>>155096928
> Spoilers: it's fucking hard.

Not really.

If you have 2x Kefka (I use second one from my friend list), then double Hyperdrive plows through the bosses HP. Physical damage is kinda meh for 2nd/3rd boss, but still required for the stuff before to save resources.
Use Lenna to keep your team up (her LB is also useful against the trash - remember to use that reduce encounter accessory).

Most importantly: Bring a tent along to refresh your party before the final boss. Otherwise, you're pretty much fucked.
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>>155105451
Please do switch. Atm I'm hurting for Full Breakers, I'm not even looking at mages, escape or not.

Though I dunno if I have you in my FL.

Name's Qayin, code is in the OP doc
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>>155105451
Full Break doesn't work, for the last time.

And I beat it fine without a tank, but I feel dirty for needing to use a tent to recover my MP.
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>>155105504
Facebook account.
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>>155105607
I'll update my info then for the Lands of Plenty event going on right now to reflect the 5* units I have. I am RenaultG on the list.

>>155105635
Full Break as a whole doesn't work but the Power Break and Magic Break it has does work. So Full Break is still useful to take less damage on your end.
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>>155105703
Is that the only way?
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Added my name to the list.

406 244 224 "Voitan" 5* ExDeath.

He'll need more work to get his MAG up with items, currently at 250 MAG. Need to grind for 4 more trophies to get Hero Ring recipe.
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>>155105923
Still doesn't solve the problem of not having any MP.

Again, I can beat the ogre and the gigas no problem on their own if I have even half my MP on me. But if all my units are dry, it's impossible.
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>beat ogre
>game crashes

Ey yo what the fuck.
I can't even boot into the game or it crashes now.
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>have enough iron and mythril
>have enough time and kefkas to do a couple pro dungeons
>Ive been selling copper ore and lumber since the beginning of ghe game
>Ive sold about 5000 pieces of copper and lumber
>event comes
>46 ores and 110 lumber

FUCKING KILL ME

So I guess I'll be farming earth shrine for the forseeable future
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>>155105936
Yeah, just "trust" me, dumb fuck.

But seriously, that really is the only way.
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>>155106064
You can buy Turbo Ether in Felicitas Town if you really need to.
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>>155106064
Do you have access to Felicitas Town yet for Turbo Ethers/Ethers/Tents/Antidotes/Eye Drops? It has everything you need for the pro exploration.
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>>155106224
Again, a tent is all you need. 5 minutes to craft.

It's still pretty ass that this is their attempt at difficulty. Making it so everyone can only autoattack unless you bring a tent is pretty shitty.

Show me one person who beat it without a tent and without godlike blob RNG.
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Defense ignoring moves like light shell and hyperdrive really mattes up the bosses' pubes if you know what I mean
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Like all mainline FFs since FFX, FFXV is getting two Ultimanias: Battle Ultimania and Scenario Ultimania. Scheduled for release this winter.
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>>155106123
>redownload data
>it placed me at the beginning without any progress
>the beginning
>THE
>FUCKING
>BEGINNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
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>>155106430
Is it going to include Versus infor?
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>>155106274
>Show me one person who beat it without a tent
I can beat it without a tent.Lenna still need a turbo ether though.
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>>155106464
Scenario Ultimania could. They often include discarded development concepts there.
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>>155106274
Tents can be bought. There's literally no excuse to not bring items since all of them are dirt cheap shop items.

For those who need a 5* WoL for Full Break:
335630537
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>>155106274
I had something like 3 turbo ethers left and all 7 of my Ethers by the end of the Hill Gigas if I wanted to restore my MP. I used the Tent for convenience since I have 48 of them lying around and 2.3 million Gil to get more supplies. Though I killed the blob quickly since I had barraged it to death with CoD/Chizuru/Friend Chizuru with Exdeath plugging away with 312 MAG Firaga and Full Break from WoL.

I suppose I could do another run to beat it without the tent, but dunes for me comes first to level up Terra so that she is ready for her 6* when it drops in global. I have 5 30 energy refills for the Lands of Plenty pro.
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>>155106623
>>155106540
>>155106491
I think you're missing the point, it doesn't have to be a tent.

You literally can't beat it without MP recovery items. I don't care if you're whale jones with 5 excaliburs, 5 sakurafubukis, and 5 dual wield chizurus. It's not possible.
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WoL any good in BE?
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>>155106709
You can autoattack the blob to death with a bunch of fucking casters.

I don't know what your problem is.

>>155106908
Best tank in the game alongside Cecil.
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>>155106998
The blob eats your MP with osmose. He eats all your MP.
Odds are good he'll get at least two down to zero, because it takes at least two turns to kill him.

If you have no MP, you cannot beat the remaining two bosses. You must use restoratives.

That's my problem, it's pretty easy to understand.
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>>155106709
>>155107093
>You literally can't beat it without MP recovery items
>If you have no MP, you cannot beat the remaining two bosses. You must use restoratives.
Yes and? All kinds of MP recovery items are in Felicitas Town, you can literally buy them by the bulk there.
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>>155106908
One of the two best future proof tanks. The other being Cecil. He comes with Full Break and later in his 6* gets an upgraded Cheer and Arms Eraser which is a 45% STR/MAG debuff AoE and Armor Eraser which does the same for DEF/SPR. He even gets a counter magic which has a 30% chance to heal his HP/MP by 20%.
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>>155107093
>That's my problem, it's pretty easy to understand.

You're autistic, that's your problem. Just bring some goddamn shop MP recovery items with you and it's a breeze.

You're in for a treat once the harder JP bosses get released.
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>>155107154
It's dumb.

I know I'm expecting too much from a mobile gambling sim, but it's dumb.
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what team do I make? I easily took on event explorations, and I am on the pro. Reading this thread, not sure if I can't it on
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>>155107272
How the hell using items how it means to be used is dumb? You even buy them using gil, not Lapis. What kind of logic is this?
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>>155107390
I have never needed to use an item in final fantasy and I ain't about to start
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>>155107425
So you literally just a hoarder autist then. Figured as much.
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>>155107326
Don't worry, you'll be fine. Don't pay attention to that single autist.

Just get Ethers, a Tent for the third boss, and items against poison, blind, and paralysis.
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>>155107554
What city has those?
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>>155107326
You're such as asshole Roland.
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So this is where all of the chizuru friends are getting their black garb. I forgot about this fat fuck. I wonder if he likes mog cakes.
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>>155107326
Pump up the WoL and Lenna. Boot Vaan off once WoL maxes out. Start making multiple parties since you have 5 parties.

Fencer/Bartz/WoL/Lenna/Exdeath or Kefka can be party one with a physical focus while party 2 can be Exdeath/Kefka/Vaan/WoL/Lenna for a more magic focused team. Raise up Kuja to max in your spare time for whenever he and Zidane are given their 6*.

>>155107425
You do know that using items will reward you with 500 free lapis eventually. I just need to use 9800 more uses or so to get it.

>>155107631
Felicitas town for all of them.
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>>155107806
I've already got the trophy so I'm bitter that I had to use that many.
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Well, farming that ore was faster than expected. I could easily get 2 more swords this way. But farming all that wood and cooper ore are going to be a fucking bitch.

>>155107631
Felicitas Town, on the third island of the first continent.
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>>155107806
I have 2 kefkas and 2 deaths if that changes anything about the party make up
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>>155107425
Not sure if autist or b8. Most prolly the latter. Here's your (You).
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>>155107924
Way I see it is most people don't even need this sword right now, so I'll just let the wood and the copper come to me.
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>>155106274
>>155106709
I just beat it twice without having to resort to items, and without any whaleshit too. Just this simple Lenna-less party.

All you need to do is pace yourself before you wreck yourself. Here's some pointers:

-Don't waste MP on the regular encounters. Better to soak up that damage and waste two or three curas before the boss fights
-Blob fight is crucial. Go all in with Cheer, Barrage and all you have to ensure you win in two turns. It's also essential you use Provoke with the unit with Golem to ensure it doesn't go ballistic on the MP drain.
-Then on the last two fights all you need to know is that you don't need to use MP skills every single turn. Use cheer only at the beginning of the fight, Full Break only when the effect of the last one has expired, cura only when needed, etc. most of your turns you should be simply attacking normally to build Break gauge.

By following this strategy I was able to manage the beat them handily with a bit of luck (like Ogre not paralyzing my two healers at once, at which point I would have had to use an item). I think that as this event goes along and people try more stuff there will be many more strategies or party configurations to beat this exploration without using items.
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>>155108057
Also wait a minute fuck, if it takes 3 hours per fine blade...

that's 18 hours per superior blade...

that's 108 hours JUST to get the recipe. And however long it takes to craft, probably 24h
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>>155107927
2 Exdeath/Bartz/WoL/Lenna for whenever PvP arena rolls around. You are guaranteed to nuke everything with the two Exdeaths spamming Meteor like no tomorrow.

>>155107924
If I get 10 ores for every exploration in pro, then I should be able to get enough for at least 2-3 swords. And they will be nice to DW or give to anyone who is lacking in attack power who can wield swords(which is Rain/Lass/Firion/Cecil/Zidane for me). And Cecil would like the sword very much to up his tanking power. WoL will later get the sword if I get someone better to use the Enhancer.
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>be the FFI raging faggot
>still hurting that no WoL (nor Garland) but got Chizuru
>can't give up
>daily half-price
>blue crystal
>get ready for my Penelo
>it's Zidane

I'm fucking happy I got dualwield. Feels weird to get this type of stuff off banner, especially given the chances.

I sure as hell ain't complaining this time.
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How many Shining Splendors are y'all going for?
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>>155108532
0

I have no level 80 units

JUST
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>>155108532
1. Maybe 2 if I don't get burned out after getting the first 80 Cavern Ore.
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>>155096326
I don't have a lot, I just got kinda lucky in really early pulls and the few times I've pulled for synergy.
The only notable things I have at all are Cloud's ssb, Vaan's bsb (10/10 first draw luck here), and a 6* Capella for balthier. Everything else is generic or might as well be for all I'll use the character it belongs too. Dungeon content is easy though, and can be cleared largely just with any 5*, decent hones and rwing shout on occasion.
My ult+ clear rate isn't near 100% though, and even since I got Vaan's bsb my ult clear rate is has only raised to like 80%, so I wouldn't say that I can beat ALL the content.


Also take this as your threadly reminder that Vayne Solidor did nothing wrong.
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>>155108963
do you draw on half prices though?
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>>155109345
Nope, haven't drawn on any of the nightmare event lucky draws, or the dungeon update lucky draw.
I think there was an early luck draw or two that I pulled on, but I can't remember exactly when they were.
I drew 3 11x on Vaan's bsb banner for synergy, and before that hasn't drawn at all since one 11x at ssb fest.
Or those two 11x on the Laguna event, I forget which one came last.
Other than that and the free organics I got off the first real single pull I ever did I haven't drawn at all.

The latest lucky draws have been shit though, even for synergy as you don't know what realm 5* you're going to get even if you do get any. I'd pass even if I did have mythril to spend unless I was the newest rkfag in the general.
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>>155108963
Did you seriously skip out on the buff banner?
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>>155109652
>The latest lucky draws have been shit though
There was an SSB/BSB lucky draw not long ago, you're an idiot if you passed on that.
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>>155109652
>>155108963
I just find it kinda odd that you don't even do some minimum pulls on great banners to help you clear ultimate content, after all, if you're preparing for the coming of you favorite, part of the deal would be to have the orbs to support any needs. And U/U+ plays a huge role in orb generation.
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Is Shining Splendor worth the ridiculous grind? Like it really has to be worth it for me to do all that shit.
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>>155092496
>Oh hey you want to use Blue Mage?
>Better have a guide on hand to figure out all the spells
>And you better stick learning on every character to pick up the spells otherwise you can't use the meme job

A job that manages to be worse than Dragoon and more useless than Thief. Holy moly!
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JESUS CHRIST!!

I have an S-rank party and I still have to Tent in between Hill Gigas and Ogre? What is with those thing's defenses?!
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>>155108202
>-Then on the last two fights all you need to know is that you don't need to use MP skills every single turn. Use cheer only at the beginning of the fight, Full Break only when the effect of the last one has expired, cura only when needed, etc. most of your turns you should be simply attacking normally to build Break gauge.
Took your advice, the battle went swimmingly when you conserve your MP and build gauge with normal attacks. This fucking helps a lot. Having protectga is nice when you're trying to use less cheer for conserving MP to up the survivability.

And for those worried about breaks, the bosses aren't immune, they just resist breaks individually. Full Break counts as 4 individual breaks, so sooner or later some of those 4 will slip through.
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>JP voices in WoF are literally a pre-order DLC
You've got to be fucking kidding me. Really hoping this is a misunderstanding and it's actually a free add-on like it's supposed to be in XV.
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226,423,251 for anyone who needs WoL. High HP, Cura, Bug Killer, etc.
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I haven't even gone on BE yet today but I'm kinda burnt out on grinding after all those cakes.
Are the rewards for this event worth it?
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>>155110234
Yes. I don't need native any of that to clear anything that isn't an ult+, and wouldn't use most of the characters anyways even if I did get their relics.
I know I'm kinda autistic, but I don't play this game to min max and optimize. I play it as a nostalgia simulator to use the characters I like in a fun kinda-FF game with a decent battle system. I also enjoy the challenge of finding ways to beat content with only a few characters. I'd only have used Ramza or AS if I'd gotten them on that banner, so why would I pull? Especially since every mythril spent on that is a mythril I can't spend on the True Hero.

>>155110307
I skipped that one too. Why wouldn't I? The characters id use even if i got their relic are few in number, it wasn't reliable to draw on for synergy, and would have lowered the amount of mythril available to the True Hero with essentially no gain, so why would I?

>>155110469
>Ult/+ gives good orbs
Kinda and not, the MO you get is just a few days of grinding at most, and I've already got a decent amount of most of them. The few ults and the ult+s I can't clear don't set me back much>>155110469
as I've already got everything that's out at this point that I could see the True Hero using honed significantly. The only exception is DZ, as I didn't foresee him using mag viably, but even that I can r3 now if I need too.
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>>155092807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eybZQt3s2ng

The guy playing it could be better, though. At one point Tabata paused the explanation to comment "You're really getting murdered there."
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>>155111029
>I don't need native any of that to clear anything that isn't an ult+
You say that like clearing U+ is a goal that you shouldn't be aiming for.
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>>155111029
Ignore the double misplaced quote man fuck phones sometimes.
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>>155110986
They are.

The event is less grindy but more challenging depending on your party configuration.
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How the hell do you farm this many seeds. The weapon alone is murder
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>>155110530
there's like 3 good spells worth learning anyway
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>>155111098
Why would I though? I don't care about clearing it without the True Hero, as I don't get any real rewards from it that I can't get from a few daily runs.
The only exception is the crystals, and those will essentially never be useful as even in jp there aren't enough to proper hones yet.
My main problem with ult+ isn't mitigation, it's lack of damage. I can't finish the fight in a short enough time, so the buffs run out and I just sit there hitting it until curaja casts run out. Damage won't be a problem once the True Hero gets here, as with his sb's he'll be able to output significant damage regardless of the boss. I don't see why I should be taking mythril away from him just for a chance that I'll get something that I'll barely use to get rewards I could have gotten somewhere else anyways.
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>>155110530
If you're talking about FFV the learning pool is shared so you only need it on one person.
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>>155111527
I think they mean you "need" it on every character to make it easier to learn skills.
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>>155111493
This a little bit of a slippery slope, you can get say, 7 guaranteed MHO for beating an U+ while farming for that in a daily for the stamina of the whole day you're likely to not get even half of that.

It seems to me that you're trying to justify subpar decisions to support the whole idea you have about resource management. I think at least here, your logic is flawed.
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>>155108532

>4 day long event

ideally, 5.
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>>155111527
if you care about bm than having "learning"on everyone is best, especially for ones like lv5 death
it's a crummy job though
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>>155112013
If you say so lad, whatever helps you sleep better at night.
Either way, orbs are unlimited, mythril is not and is far more rare.
Also, if I need to I can gather orbs after the True Hero arrives just as well as I can before, but gathering mythril after he arrives is pointless because by then his event has passed and who knows when his relics will show up again, and how that banner compares to the first?
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>>155110919
They did the same thing with Lightning Returns and Drakengard 3 and LR's was free the first month after release.
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>>155108532
3

If I've more time, maybe more.
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>>155110528
>ridiculous grind

I mean, you have to run the PRO difficulty less than 10 times and getting the wood/copper from INT is not that bad or you can just get it outside considering it's a super common material from low energy explorations.

And even if it were particularly grindy, this is the only weapon with blind in the game, jp included, and it has a pretty good attack for a sword. So yes, it is worth it.
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This waifu any good? My first 4star tho tbhkek. Also when should i awake my units? Ive always done it when ive reached the max level.
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>>155112542
>>155112542
Don't get so utterly defensive, pointing out a possible flaw in your plan of action is constructive criticism, I'm not trying to shit on your cereal here, just giving you some food for thought.
If you truly believe you won't miss the orbs you're skipping, then all power to you, good luck brave memer.
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>>155113346
Not trying to be defensive lad, just explaining my logic. Mythril is limited and thus worth a lot more than orbs, no matter the conversation rate.
Thanks for the good luck though lad, no matter how much I stockpile I'll probably still need it in five months to beat the jewgle.
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>>155113220
>This waifu any good?
boi if you're actually ignorant of this i'm disappointed. unironically the best unit in the game rn
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>>155110554
I'm actually glad we have a challenging event where we can put to good use our overpowered units - because let's be honest, the current content can be cleared with 3* units (aside from the super bosses).
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>>155113676
>unironically the best unit in the game rn
You mispelled WoL
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>>155104801
Funny, I just spent an hour getting back into Duodecim. Which just happened to be long enough to remember why I stopped playing. Fuck the AI in that game.
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>>155113893
Yeah, Chizu is sort of a one-trick pony.
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>>155113893
Vaan's better than WoL at the moment desu.
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>>155113676
Sorry pham, i have not studied much on unit rankings and the like. Just played the game :v)
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>>155114201
Vaan can't tank like WoL can.
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why can't I craft?
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>>155114425
Full inventory maybe?
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>>155114425
>>155114506
Only thing full is materials
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>>155114405
*cough* Focus *cough*
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>>155114630
Read anon. It's because you do not have enough.
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>>155115062
Yeah of what?
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>>155114630

someone probably hass the broadswords equipped
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>>155115156
You just do not have enough.
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>>155115256
Brain cell shortage is your problem, not his
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>>155114732
Vaan is no mage though. At least he is going to be future proof soon since after Wakka and Rikku's release, XII is next with Vaan likely getting his upgrade to 6* and Balthier getting the Setzer/Refia treatment as a base 4* that can go to 6*. And we still are likely to get a FFVI part 3 since only Relm and Stratgo needs to be released(with another rate up for Trance Terra) and a FFX part 3 with Lulu/Yuna/Auron/(Jecht) with another Tidus rate up.
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>>155115376
Motherfucker just ride in on the joke. Why you gotta be serious all the time?
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>>155115180
Oh thanks m8, you're right
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So, I wanted to prove to you all that you suck at BE and went to do a PRO run without using items. First two bosses were a cakewalk, third boss hammered me hard and I ended up using hi-potions for healing. So I didn't manage to make it through without using items. But one tent is all you will need. I might have been able to avoid the tent if my Lenna was leveled enough to have Cheer but she doesn't.

Chiz/Leo/Kefka/Kefka/Fina was party and brought WoL (Vaan was missing from my list that run)
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>>155115951
Yeah man just bring two keftkas and chiz lmao easy
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where do you buy broadswords?
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>>155111085
Speaking of TGS gameplay:
>tfw your asshole friend likes to make you catch loaded guns
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>>155116087
First town.
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>>155116103
...Why do people like Noct again? I guess the people who picked him in the popularity poll were like "Well...he's the guy on the box, I guess..."
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>>155116103
How come 90% of the gameplay footage takes place in the same field area?
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>>155116215
He is the reincarnation of Squall(protagonist from the best FF game)

You wouldn't know pleb
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>>155115951
I've managed to get it down to just using Antidotes to save on Esuna MP. Not that hard now.

More than halfway to my first sword now.
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>>155116215
Sasuke withdrawals.
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>>155116252
Because almost all the gameplay footage has been captured from the first two chapters. That's what they demo at the shows.
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>>155116252
That's one of the areas they use for testing and debugging.
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>>155116309
>Squall(protagonist from the best FF game)
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>>155116365
How come the first two chapters take place in a similar field?
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>>155116442
Because it's a dry desert/grass plains region?
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>>155116361
Underrated.
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>>155116215
He's honestly pretty thoughtful and considerate and has no problem telling people that he appreciates them. He likes to tease people too, but it's never mean-spirited. Besides, he knows his crew can take the bantz.
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>>155116836
He's like the "Rich asshole" you see on films, but minus the asshole... so I guess, rich?
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>>155116893
The great thing is that he can take the bantz too, unlike many MCs. His Duscae banter was great.
>Gladiolus: Not looking so good, Prince Charmless.
>Noctis: Nice one. Call me that from now on.
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>>155117172
Haha yeah. I prefered the other one though.
>Noctis: You fucking Chad Meathead! Stop getting hit!
>Glady: Go fuck fuck yourself, "princess"!
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>>155117172
>"It's Charm-LAY!"
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>>155117172
its nice to see that someone here really likes noct.
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So this was my intended team I'm training up, but i've earned the favor of jewgle and pulled a CoD. Replace artemios with it and i have a pretty fuckin set team? this banner is crazy
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I have so much VI synergy but I really want to pull on banner 2.
>Fixed Dice
>Luminous Robe
>Excalibur
I want....
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Brave Exvius: Who's better, Kefka or Exdeath? sorry golbez you're garbo
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>>155117601

yea pretty much. Solid team right there.
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>>155117782

Right now, probably Kefka for having more access to MAG gear.

In the future, Exdeath for being able to double cast Meteor, as well as status infliction.
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Im surprised there isnt a pastebin for recommending which games to play first for people wanting to get into final fantasy series.

Im assuming from just general knowledge / popularity that FF VII or X are typicaly good ones to start with.
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https://youtu.be/fEEaWDS4Q24
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>>155118335
V, VI, or VII, actually. X has a slow start and is quite linear.
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>>155118453
>Final Fantasy XV universe
into the trash it goes
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>>155118335
Yea, VII or X are the best places to start. You can safely skip any game before VII.
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>>155118879
Is it that time of day once again to argue about which FF is the best one to play first? Because I'd say V or VI is in fact the best starting places.
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>>155118335
XII is pretty cool. You might not finish it though
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Jesus fuck Yunalesca, chill the fuck out.
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>>155119085
Why?
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>>155119119

Yunalesca is probably the hardest mandatory boss in FFX.
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>>155118335
You would be correct. FFVII is the most popular, FFX is the best-selling. FFIV or FFVI often vye for the best 2D game.
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>>155119617
Well, they're 2D so not as complex as VII and later. V has gameplay and VI has story.
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>>155108532
3 so this going to be my personal hell.
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Okay guys, one last mogcake question: +20% MP or +15% HP?
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>>155108532
1 or 2. I have the Enhancer and CoD(who can't use it), so only two of my party members can even use them unless I switch Garland back in or Zidane gets his TM.

I am currently one lucky run away from my first one.
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>>155119714
I'm not sure IV should be recommended before VI, but IV is a easier to get into story, just not as good IMO

also, with the huge rise in retro gaming the whole chart should start off with a question like
>Do you like AAA games or indi games?
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>>155119714
*vie

the fact that both games link only to iv is a flaw in that chart
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>>155119994
Either/or. Do you want a better tank or a better mage/healer?
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>>155119994
HP
>>155119808
Why? Do you not have any good weapons?
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>>155120257
The only weapon to exceed it that isn't a TM so far is Enhancer.
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>>155120257
>>155120257
The sword is good and I won't make the same mistake with gravity rod only grinding one out.
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So in land of plenty we are just collecting the nodes right? So instead of staying in killing monsters we are suppose to just blast through it fast?
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>>155121189
I ignored the gravity rod event, it was stupid
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>>155121516

yes.
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This was a lot harder than expected, cool fight.
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>>155121614
Same. It was too much for me at the time.
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>finally unlock combat surgeon in Mobius
>have to make my character look uglier to get that +1 speed and other bonus stats
suffering
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>>155121516
Pretty much. Bouncing back to refill your Breaks is a good idea, though.
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>>155121670
Yunalesca didn't deserve to die. I blame Yuna and co for failing to effectively persuade her to fight against the cycle.
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>>155121670
FFX is a series of awesome bossfights.
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>>155121806
She had been dead for 2 thousand years. The Unsent tend to grow more single-minded and obsessed with time.
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This seems like it will be easy to farm a few of the swords. What we just need 80 cavern ore which I already have 40 of. I think ill start crafting them after I collect 320 ore. I don't think ill need 4 of them but that's my goal.
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So the Idea is to run Int for lumber and PRO for cav ore or do I just run pro and get lumber after the event is over ?
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>>155122027
I'm surprised she was as sane as she was when we find her, I mean, compare her to Lulu's First Pilgrimage summoner, she became basically an animal.
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>>155122230

Run PRO right now, get lumber and copper after the event is done.

you can get roughly 3-8 of both in earth shrine exploration
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>>155122382
thx m8
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>>155122373
Well that was an unsent turned fiend.
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>>155122508
My point exactly, in a much shorter time she went so insane that she turned into a fiend. While Yunalesca was surprisingly functional.
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Which team woupd do better for PRO. I havent tried it yet, since im trying to get a few more cactuars to finish leveling that tellah (level 73) everyone else there is max level.
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>>155121806
She was already dead.
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>>155122640
Yunalesca still has a duty to perform, so she didn't become a fiend
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>>155122786
Bottom team but take out that Tellah and put in WOL.
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>>155106405
>really mattes up the bosses' pubes

What did she mean by this?
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>>155122786
Swap Bartz or Artemois for Kefka and you're solid.

My team is WoL, CoD, Lenna, Zidane, and Kefka and I'm having a blast.
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>>155122894
>take out Tellah
>instead of removing Golbez
never give advice to anyone ever again
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>>155122640
That's probably related to the fact that she had a role to fulfill while most other unsents are just resentful spirits, like Mika was also able to retain his sanity for a long time.

The fact that she was a powerful summoner probably helped too.
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>>155122786

If you swap artemios for kefka and bring a tent you should be fine.
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>>155122979
Then max him out first you fucking retard. Also fuck you Golbez has better def then that little shit.
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So I think I'm reaching the point of no return, do I do some side stuff now or after the game ends?
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>>155123178
I'm not that guy and Golbez is fucking garbage. A 73 Tellah shits on level 80 Golbez.
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>>155122786
kefka (most important unit for this dungeon)/WoL/Chiz/Ex/Lenna

that should be your standard party anyway
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>>155123178
not him but tellah only needs 2 more levels to have his "full kit" since Recall is useless
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>>155118335
X isn't a good starter game.
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>>155123302
By that guy I meant the guy asking for advice. The bosses deal perfectly manageable damage to tankiness isn't a huge deal.
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>>155123302
Nigga its like 20 mp and raise. That's the big fucking difference. WOW. The nickel and diming is real.

Also fuck it they all fail to compare to Kefka for now anyways.
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>>155123178
Who gives a fuck about def when WoL is there to provoke and full break the gigas and the ogre? Plus Cheer boosts def as well as atk, ditto Golem.

Golbez can't do shit except looking cool, while Tellah will be firing elemental chains with Kekfka possibly further powered by Lenna's LB.

Stop giving bullshit advice and git gud
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>>155123252

Finish the game, then load your last save, do side content, then for laughs do the endgame again.
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>>155123502
Tellah has way more mag than Golbez by virtue of having mag +20% while Golbez gets useless fucking esper passives. Golbez also can't equip proper mage gear which gives Tellah a huge edge over him. Do you ever think about the dumb shit you say or just spew out whatever garbage comes to mind?
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Guys, bioga does way more damage than fire/ice/lightning to these bosses. Im not sure why.
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Whatever faggot then don't ask for advice. You all clearly know how to play. There just is no way you could ever get +mp equips.
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>>155123742
does it perform better than hyperdrive in a mp/damage wise?
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>>155123252
You can explore a bunch with the airship, like the Omega Ruins(Unlock Masamune first). If you're playing the HD version, watch out for Dark Aeons...
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>>155123915
>still thinking you're arguing with the guy who asked for advice
You must be literally retarded. My condolences.
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>>155124075
Yeah they just kinda show up at random.
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No item run. RNG blessed me with no osmose, will try tomorrow by provoking with Zidane for a non-luck clear.

Man, his 6* better be useful once released.
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>>155119714

Still triggered by this and need to get the following off my chest just this once to ease my guilty conscience, even if I doubt it will affect anything: Please stop. You've tried to force that chart since May 29th. Last time you said some don't agree with it, but that's an understatement, since I've never seen a single person agreeing with it. I also see that your FFX is closer to the other JRPGs point didn't matter either, since the first line on the chart still says no. I deeply regret saying in May that "If you want to fix it, give it multiple starting points instead." The 'it' referred to the original chart, not yours, since X has no business being close to the beginning. I had other entries in mind. You then modified your chart. If it was solely my interpretative softness then that has caused you to continue, know that you didn't have my blessing. Thank you.
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>>155124328
Woah, that is some top-tier autism right there.
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>>155124454
He's right though. That chart makes no fuckin sense.
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>>155124454
>paragraph
>autism

I take it you don't read many books. Also autism or no, the chart does suck.
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>>155124260
>no tent run
with that shit team? you got fucking lucky. how are you DDing?
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>>155124004
Definitely no.
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>>155124260
>Rain
>Fina
>Zidane
>no items

Dude you burned out your gacha luck for this shit. Repent.
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>240 lumber for ONE fucking sword

I like the event/challenge itself, but like always GL has to go full autism with craft costs.
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>>155124928
But you can get them at anytime.
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>Celes gets knight 5*
>Cyan stuck with combat 5* Samurai 5*

What is this shit?
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>>155124328
>>155124613
Then make a fucking alternative chart. If you don't, then you have no right to complain.
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>Tyro gets broken
>I spam I'll go first, I'll buff
>defender spams I'll go first, I'll debuff
>breaker and attacker go all out and lock in before either of us can
but why?
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>playing FFX
>waited to get all of the ject spheres until the airship because I wanted to watch them all in order and didn't want to backtrack
>guess I'll start at besaid now!
>fucking dark valefor pops up as soon as you enter the village with no way to avoid her
Thanks Square. The international version really is just a step above the rest.
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>>155125037
>sufag
Well, that explains your shit logic. You don't need a chart, or a counter-chart because some idiot made a bad one.
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>tfw 130 cavern ore

wew, taking break now cause NRG is all gone but these fights are a LOT easier spamming Full Break, even if they do resist it.
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>>155125192
but how else are you supposed to communicate if not by cumbersome autismo charts? by communicating with people? That's gross. Don't you ever talk to me or my wife's son again unless it's in the form of a chart!
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>>155125037
>bad chart
>LETS SEE YOUR CHART THEN *HMPF~*
that's not clearly the answer, your chart is bad, that's it.
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>>155125192
Yes, you do, retard. Otherwise you're just bitching like a woman without actually contributing anything meaningful.
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>>155125468
You can't call my inflation vore MLP fan art shit because you haven't drawn better inflation vore MLP fan art
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>>155125309
>>155125349
Fuck off idiots. Your form of "communication" is not constructive at all.
>bad chart
then fix it or control your fucking autism.
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>orge uses hyper beam
>Lenna dead and forgot to bring phoenix downs

JUST
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>>155125308
I just hit 80, myself. Item-free run to boot.
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>>155125037

He's not me. I've always held it self evident that the original is superior to yours for reasons we've already gone over and therefore it's preferable at the moment. I've never seen a burning requirement to improve it. However now that I got to say my piece and by proxy be at peace, I will leave it at that forever.
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>>155125630
why does everything have to be a fucking chart you sperg?
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>>155124987
Yes but then there will be another grindy event
and then another
and then another
and then another
and eventually you'll be left behind and your inventory filled with useless event mats
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>>155125562
I can point to better inflation vore MLP fan art and compare and contrast instead of calling your art shit and expecting you to realize why - you know, like actual criticism. I don't expect the majority of people here have completed university study, but high schools can't be that lacking, can they?
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>>155125631
Well, at least you get a free turn to lament.
>>
Reminder that PSP has the best final Fantasy game
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>go into PRO exploration
>have no idea what I'm going into but I thought I'd be fine because I was borrowing a whale and had CoD / Bartz

boy

at least I didn't die holy shit what the fuck is that Ogre's defense. he paralyzed Fina too so I couldn't heal and had to resort to a ton of Hi-Potions.

I already don't want to go back there.
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>>155125823
oh yeah, you come off as a real intellectual, buddy.
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>>155125932
Thanks. I try to lead by example.
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>lands of plenty

so since we already have all the recipes, is it safe to farm for materials and sort out the actual crafting later?
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>>155125175
Could be worse. You could be having to fight dark bahamut because you forgot to run down some stairs that seem to do virtually nothing except teleport you and be locked out of Yuna's celestial weapon forever unless you're a turbo autist.
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So can I collect these trophies without worrying that Gumi will fuck us over and not count these trophies towards further goals? I dont think they would intentionally do it, but I can see them fucking up an update
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>>155125712
And we've gone over why it's an improvement, as well, so I guess I'll let you have your delusion.
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>>155125861
it's actually the first fun event. You have to actually manage items, magic, and limits. I kinda enjoy it
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>>155126026
Oh, and you do realize the first post you sperged out about literally gives you a very concrete example of how you could improve the chart, right? He's absolutely correct in that multiple starting points is the only sensible way to make something like this. He doesn't need to make a counter-chart for that to be a valid suggestion.
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>>155126201
I dunno, it's trading one form of tedium for another.
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>>155126292
point is it's challenging and makes you think and plan
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>>155122786
So a party setup like either of these?
Thanks for the help. Im just trying to finish leveling that tellah. A few more cactuars to get him to 80 since it doesnt sound like it takes to long to get the cavern ore
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>>155126236
The original has one starting point. The modification has two. He's arguing that you need multiple starting points and that the original is better simultaneously. He's an idiot and so are you if you can't see the problem with that approach.

The main objection was also written clearly and yet you retards complaining about "sperging" missed it - he just doesn't like FFX and doesn't want it on the chart. This is what I call sperging especially since he wrote a bullshit dramatic paragraph to say it.
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>>155126534
Not that anon, but both are great, see which one you like/works best, then report back.
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Is Roselia at all useful for this event, or is Fina/Lenna simply better?
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>>155126901
Fina/Lenna get Cheer, which makes them simply better.
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>>155126503
and it makes you actually I dunno
play the game
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>>155098173
Not immune, just resistant. JP's still the one with the break immunity/counter bosses.
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>>155102386
Not that anon, but every point.
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>>155093147
I like the other jacket better
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>>155126990
Alright, gotta get around to levelling my Lenna then. Thanks, bud
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>>155098481
How did you get Draw Fire onto WoL?
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>>155127432
Provoke from a 2* golem
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>>155126736
Don't conflate my opinions with his. Your chart sucks, but the original sucks too. There are way more than two reasonable starting points for the series, yet you couldn't pick one classic Final Fantasy? X isn't really any better for someone new to the genre than almost any other game in the series so the criterion you use for that split is dumb: FF as a whole is pretty entry level and there are only really a few that aren't very good starting points.

Really the main problem is that a chart just isn't a very good way to determine which FFs to play because there are too many variables to consider. Still, the fact that you have to force your chart should give you a pretty good idea what a steaming pile of shit it is. That thing doesn't exist to help people choose what FF to play, it's just there for you to jerk off to thinking what a good job you did.
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Lads I hope you've learned from last time not to draw from trap lucky draws.

RIght?
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>>155127797
Every lucky draw has given me something worthwhile. Why would I stop now?

Dr. Mog is my greatest ally.
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>>155127639
You seem to be the only one who doesn't like it. You are also proposing no alternatives. Does FFIV need to move up a tier? What needs to happen?
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>>155098481
I clear him without a tank. Cheer + Curaja deals with his shenanigans nicely.
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>>155127797
>lucky draws
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>>155127891
i dunno man
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>>155127797
lucky draws are the reason I have synergy for shit realms.

speaking of which, why do they give VII such shit characters? Is anyone good besides Aerith?
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>>155127797
I got a few Reds out of this last one, so I'm not sure what you mean by trap.
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>>155127983
Cait Sith, Red XIII, Tifa, and Cloud are decently good characters, and have good SB as well.
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>>155127983
Sephiroth has the highest base attack before SSB mastery bonuses, Red / Nanaki is a decent support, Cloud is good because DeNA sucks his dick.

Actually if I recall correctly Cid also gets an exact duplicate of Ramza's Shout SSB soon too.
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>>155128109
all shit except for Cloud. Seriously, you picked 3 of the worse characters from that game
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>>155127983
Cloud is still pulling his weight for me with his BSB.
Sephiroth has good ATK, but he really needs one of his Katanas to work well.
You can get Diamond Pin through Beginner's Choice for Red XIII, who can also Full Break.
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Anyone have more of these?
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>>155119714
>>155125712
Wow these charts are shit.

I mean, charts in general are for plebbit plebs; people who aren't and are genuinely interested in something -anything-, be it a music genre, films, videogames, books, rock climbing etc, do so by doing some basic research, hitting specialized forums and such.

Charts are for subhumans who can't fucking read and are so used being spoonfed they probably still suck on mommy's teats.
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>>155128518
We really should make some more.
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>>155128518

>>>/reddit/
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/2002/
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>>155128587
I'm actually missing the original Y'shtola image, does anyone have it
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>>155128587
>mako infused cock
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>>155128714
Toriyama please.
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I thought that the enemies were going to be a bit more hard. The're though, but not that hard. You can kill this fucker in two turns given him no chance to Osmose you again
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>>155128886
>tfw Lightning-sama will never be your daughter

It hurts
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>>155126736

>he just doesn't like FFX and doesn't want it on the chart

Since this is a new topic, you're mistaken here: It's true that I personally don't like X, but I've always seen it as very enticing for players, so I would actually prefer it pretty high. However I've always been that guy who says that ATB isn't as overwhelming to a new player as you think and that the first two hours of X can bore them causing them to stop playing if they don't have another FF to show them that the wait is worth it. Also introducing 2D titles too late and that your chart leaves out the valuable X-VIII connection. Those connections being one of the main reasons for creating the chart in the first place. But as I said, we've been over this.

Beyond that you think there's a contradiction between preferring multiple starting points and the original chart? Not as such, multiple starting points (and more connections between the titles, the actiony entries have no connections at the moment for example) would be improvements, but since such charts don't exist (and I certainly won't be making them, since I feel the original is functional enough for its purpose. It is after all just a suggestion, if people want to skip into titles they're interested in, they can.), the original will do better for now in my opinion. If someone comes along and makes such charts, I will adopt them.
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>>155128410
Seph has a pretty bad skill set. Cloud is propped up by dick sucking, yes. But he is the only character who is any good from VII. Red being able to full break means nothing since every other character able to full break is better
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>>155129294
Hence why he said Sephiroth needs his ninja swords to do work. If you do have his weapons he can slap some serious shit.
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>>155129104
2 turns? no.

but just use provoke and you don't have to worry. 0 mp on tank doesn't matter much
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Now this fucker has montruous DEF, but all you need is Full Break, Barrage, Cura, LM, Espers and repeat. This is going to use all your MP in most of your units so you need to have a Tent when you defeat him or else you're fucked.

Also he spams a lot Magnitude 8 when he's about to die.
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>>155129521
Not really. Someone gave the helpful advice of "Cheer only on turn 1" and you can beat him down fairly easily.

I recently completed my first no-item run of that dungeon.
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Does anyone else have this problem in ffbe? Whenever someone casts blizzara/blizzaga there's about a 50/50 chance that my game will freeze then close.
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>>155129417
not the guy you're replying to but I went in with all LB full and 2 turn'd him
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>>155129407
yet seph is still outclassed by most characters with SSBs cause they have better skillsets

VII still seems to have no good characters besides cloud, and even he gets the crap new items cause power creep. Every BSB is better than is
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>>155129675
Well they are ice spells, so it's fitting. Try turning off spell effects in the options.
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>>155129273

And literally everyone else pointed out that the first two hours of FFX involved an action-packed opening with a city blowing up and Tidus getting sucked into the void. Not sure who that would bore.
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>>155129675
BE crashes once every half hour I play. the programmers are shit for it
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>>155129778
Yeah, that's what I've had to do to keep playing. But it detracts from the game a fair bit.

>>155129840
I just traipsed through Lanzelt Ruins exploration to get that quest reward Paralyze null ring for the event boss. Collected a Star Quartz, game crashed. Great!
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>>155129698
Ok, great. Most character are outclassed by someone. RK is about working with what you got. Unfortunately Sephiroth was my only SSB user for months. But he still carried my ass through ultimates. Now, if you only have Cloud's BSB and no other BSB then I guess you won't have to worry about it being out-classed.
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>>155129806
That's the first maybe 15 minutes. The rest is real boring.
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>>155129417
I did kill it in two turns

Now this fucker has Monstrous damage, so you need to be careful especially with your healer since he loves to attack her. Repeat the same technique that you used with the Hill Gigas and you get to kill him without that much of a problem.

You spent a lot of time between the last two enemies, but they're not hard to kill
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Cactuar Dunes ends today but Lands of Plenty is 3/4 days right?

I did manage to clear PRO on my first try, should I go for it and try to grab 160 cavern ores or just try to focus on Gigantuars at the moment? I have a Lenna / Artemios / Cecil / Hayate that all need grinding
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So, in short. You need a Tank, powerful barrage user, healer and a tent. Not that much of a problem.

Thanks for reading my blogpost
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>>155129917
>After you get sucked into the void, you fight a scissors-monster in some sweet-ass ruins.
>A wall explodes and you get joined by a deathmetal bondage chick.
>They two of you dive underwater, fight an angry squid, and unearth an airship before getting attacked by the incarnation of Sin itself.
>Wake up on an island where being good at Blitzball determines the hierarchy, and you happen to be a champ.
>Swim through pirahna-infested waters with your new broseph.
>Clear an easy puzzle to unlock a troubled hot chick and her pet dragon.

Sounds fine to me.
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>>155129897
So basically:

SSB/BSB character> everyone else

Woah, who would've thunk it
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>>155130295
Let's not forget the main attraction of besaid island.
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>>155130295
You're neglecting to mention it takes nearly 3 hours to get through that, and afterwards the game's still in tutorial mode
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>>155130503

he already mentioned your new broseph, wakka
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>Go get revenge on Geosgaeno
>Petrify Punch - Goodbye Rikku
>Petrify Punch - Goodbye Tidus
>Swallows Wakka
>Struggle
>1-shot by regurgitate
I guess I'm not ready for this, fuck. I don't even have the thing to make stoneproof armor
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>>155130747
And? By hour three of FFVII, you're tearing your hair out looking for stuff to disguise Cloud as a girl.
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Thread seems fairly liv today, kupo!
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>>155131215
>cover
>evade & counter
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>>155130160
kefka is the key. escape and hyperdrive are the key skills for this event.

and I have 3 kefkas...
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>>155130503
I want to cuddle her furs
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>>155131313
Alright, taught wakka sentinel. Let's see.
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>>155124806
My luck burned out when a ticket gave me 5* terra. Zidane is there just to escape, bosses aren't that hard.

But just for you, I put pic related instead of him, and wouldn't you know, 2 turn kill so no osmose at all. Rest was cakewalk. Now if I had a tank...
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>>155131609
Evade+Counter is a weapon ability. Wakka will only be good as a Sentinel if he has Stoneproof.

You can get Stoneproof by stealing from basilisks, I think.
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>>155131979
I got a ball for wakka with that early in the game, I think in Via Purico.I do happen to have stoneward exclusively for him, this will probably work as long as wakka doesn't get swallowed
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>>155131895
>Fencer

I whaled for that shit but only pulled Thief...
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>>155132123
Thankfully he didn't swallow even once, thanks anon.
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>>155108251

18 hours for the necessary blades each. 6 fine blades for 3 hours each, and 3 Superior Blades for 6 hours each. Then, 1 Shining Splendor for 48 Hours each.
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>>155132357
Enjoy the Bondage Bitch you get as a reward.
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Casual reminder to sacrifice your soul to the Jewgle for good relics.
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>>155132560
Only if he got the treasures. Otherwise he's gotta kill dark valefor at least.
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>>155115435
Strago will be the first Blue Mage in the game, right?
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>>155132641
Fuck, wrong webm
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>>155132642
I meant Onion Knight.
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>>155127373
The Behemoth version is more casual and could pass for normal clothing, so it's better for hiding your power level.
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>>155132825
>Worst fucking pulls.

Every time.
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>>155132825
Sauce?
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>>155132825
Bonk.
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>>155131419
Yeah never been more happy to have Escape than this event. I smashed everything for LB and escaped. LB unload first boss, farm lb, lb unload second boss, etc.

My question is, is it better to farm the lower LoP explos for Lumber, or Earth Shrine explo?
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I'm glad we can finally agree on something /ffg/
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>>155133143
No idea, I just saved that from the first time it was posted on /ffg/

>>155133238
how many of them were actually unique
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>>155133258
Kill yourself.
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>>155132560
>>155132642
Man, this sucks. She clearly wanted the best for her kid, but shit turned so fucked, so very fucking fucked. This is terrible.
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>>155133258
Pretty good.
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>>155133338
u first LOL
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>>155133258
You realize that new players won't have a fucking clue of what is what only by the Amano logos, right?
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>155133258
>V and VI in not recommended
>MMOs are NOT FF

awful bait, apply (You)rself
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>>155133313
All of them. It was Lucky Draw.
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>>155132825
wow, japanese people take RNGesus seriously.
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>>155133258
Can i save this bait image?
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>>155133485
It's not a complete mystery. The chart is about FF games after all and they can just look them up or ask.
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>>155133501
Wrong image?

Which Lucky Draw?
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>>155132825
nice cats claw
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>>155133501
>>155133604
...fuck.
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>>155133487
He's not wrong about either of those statements, dumb racist.
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>>155133596
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>>155133352
She was also fucking retarded. He was a little shunned kid, so instead of giving him much needed support and teaching him how to cope she traumatized him for life, bound him to a horrific abomination, and told him to kill himself. How was that supposed to turn out well?
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>>155133697
>fuck
>4 5*s
kill yourself you privilaged faggot
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>>155133258
shit
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>>155133778
"Fuck" was because, as >>155133604 pointed out, I had posted the wrong image.
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>>155133778
He pulled a Hope relic, he's entirely justified in being upset.
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>>155133778
>reading comprehension

It's an old Lucky Draw and he posted the wrong image

>155133719
(You)
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>>155133743
She is clearly not a mother of the year, but I don't think her background is ever mentioned. I think she had good intentions but was broken beyond repair herself.

She was really quick to fall into despair though, I wonder if she tried to look for help on how to go about her kid issues or this was all her own doing.
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Anyone have a galuf RW? I want to try the fresh reddit meme strat of solo galuf on bartz U+
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> use Lasswell in PvP because he has an AoE attack that lets him deal 999 damage twice
> I just realized that he can shit out 4k AoE damage all by himself with dualwield
> also got the poison katana recently
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>>155132825
Kek, wtf did I just watch
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>>155130503
>lulu will never be real
it hurts
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>>155134003
An unworthy sacrifice.
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>>155133258
Did you giggle by yourself when you hit "post"?

Kill yourself
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>>155127983
>is anyone good
just look at the chart
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>>155133778
>back to telling people to kill themselves
>this time because YOU have no reading comprehension

autists go home
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>>155133852
Hope is not for bully
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>>155134184
I totally did. I thought "they're going to tell me to kill myself LOL"

And u did! LOL
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>360 Copper
>480 Lumber

My metashit team effortlessly takes on Pro but then you have this ultra tedious bullshit grind on top of it. Nice, Gumi. Real nice.
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>>155134193
>Cloud and Lightning that low.
>Cecil that high.
Shit chart, m8.
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>>155119714
damn this chart is bad
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>>155134193
>beatrix that high
>agrias not higher than beatrix
Am i missing something, is beatrix that decent?
Also why is bartz that high?
I know he's alright but doesn't he sort of rely of elemental weakness?
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>>155133258
It'd be better bait if you hadn't already tried pushing it before without the picture.
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>>155134507
t. mmoshit who can't read
just realized that also includes the broadswords that you can buy
but it's still around 200 of each mat
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>>155134685
I've had a full stack of both for a long time, I've just stopped getting rid of the new stacks. I'm pretty much set on materials now.
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>>155119714
>more emphasis on gameplay
>XII, the game that plays itself if you set up right
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>>155134507
What pisses me off the most is all the sold off excess lumber and ore farmed during the Moggle event.

At least I can take my time crafting those things since I'm in no rush and the stats are still decent in the future.
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>>155134685
No it doesn't.
If you crafted each broadsword it's another 450 copper ore on top of this
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>>155134815
>if you set up right
At least your have to program it. There is also a huge emphasis on exploration and proper battle control.
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>>155133903
The game tells us that she was a human woman who fell in love with a prominent Guado, had a kid with him, but felt alienated by the Guado society. Later, although he still loved his family, Jyscal was forced to temporarily exile his wife and son to Baaj to prevent further fracturing among the Guado. Meanwhile, Seymour, who was 10 at the time, started showing unusual talent for summoning, so she decided that he should kill himself to win acceptance from both human and Guado society. According to Ultimania, Jyscal agreed with her for some reason.
Needless to say, Seymour refused to go along with his parents' crazy plan, but they had already fucked him up for life.
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>>155134586
That was the result of the survey the anon held. I don't agree with Lightning's spot but Cecil is actually top tier with his BSB - why do you not agree?

>>155134623
Agrias is rated higher than Beatrix though.

Bartz is shit and I would have placed him low B, but the FFV fags voted up their autistic idol I guess. He's just not good in RK because thief and celerity at 4* are not good.
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>>155134623
>>155134586
>Seriously replying to the surveyfaggot's image
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>>155134193
>Vaan
>C tier
His BSB is god tier and he has 5* celerity
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>>155133258
I agree with 90% of this chart so it's already better than anything else posted here.
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>>155135197
But people don't like Vaan. It's like you don't know how these polls actually work or something.
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>>155133258
This is actually a better chart than the other two unironically because it isn't saying "YOU HAVE TO PLAY THIS FIRST >:("
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>>155135035
To add, Seymour then lived on Baaj for eight years in total solitude, until his exile was revoked.
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>>155135325
People don't like Vaan? He's great. Literally the best written protagonist in any medium of entertainment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiHNNbBEyM
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>>155135494
I unironically like Vaan.
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>>155135035
>>155135434
All these people just need some hugging, how very fucked.
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>>155134193
Why is Yshtola both A tier and C tier?
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>>155135739
An error, obviously. Would Wall being in C tier make any sense?
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>Tidus was supposed to get used goods
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>>155135739
The C tier Ysh is supposed to be Yuffie.
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>>155135823
My boy Vaan is in C tier so I don't think you can take anything for granted in that chart.
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>>155135739
Yshtola is A tier. The second C tier is someone else, forgot who though.
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>>155134193
None of this makes sense. Where is this even from?
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>>155134945
jesus fucking christ
and I get less than 10 each doing beginner LoP
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>>155136004
The survey dude. It was rigged to hell by FFV fags apparently.
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>>155134586
>thinking cloud is any better than B tier
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>>155136081
That thing no one cared about? That wasnt even a good survey.
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>>155136026
Copper?
Seriously, just dump the 12k gil and buy the swords.
The important thing is the Cavern Ore anyways.

>>155135943
You can't take the chart for granted on anything. The survey had zero effort put into it and it wound up just being a popularity contest that the faggot went through and tried to moderate.
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>>155136382
No, Lumber. I bought the swords.
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>>155136243
If Cloud can make B, then Lightning deserves A. I don't know how anyone can logically place Cloud's inferior SBs and skillset over Lightning's.

Hell, Cloud rated higher than Balthier and Luneth somehow.
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>>155136081
I see tons of people bitching about FFV bias in RK, and now people are saying that FFV characters aren't good?
The only overrated V characters there are Bartz and Exdeath, and it's not by much. Bartz is a great attacker and Exdeath is probably the best mage in Global at the moment. He's got a Runic and an EnDark SB.

>>155136418
Luneth shouldn't be close to that high anyway, this is pre-buff Luneth.
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>>155136291
>>155136382
I guarantee you these are the same people complaining about the which game to play first charts above.

It's like their job is to bitch like women over everything without offering a single solution to any problem, or better yet doing something themselves.
>>
you think in the future we'll have a transgender protag? just askin'
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>>155136629
The Japanese give negative two shits about Western ideology or identity politics so doubtful honestly.
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>>155136629
ramza
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>>155136593
The FFV bias was what people said before characters like Krile were released in global - that was a long time ago.

Now we know that THF4 means jack shit and CEL4 means Dismissal. People with 5* in relevant skill sets deserve A tier, not Bartz - for example, any of the Knights.
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>>155136417
You should be farming the pro right now anyways.
More gather points and the limited ore that you need to be worrying about the most. Lumber can be gathered after the event ends, those ores are what will really block you.

>>155136607
Those charts are heavily opinionated and the only way that works properly is listing proper pros and cons for each game.
This survey was just a shitty popularity contest like the reddit shit.
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>>155136629
No. Despite all the SJW noise, this kind of niche mental disorder is just something most people really don't give a shit about.
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>The XVbros bully a snakefu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20yqTukGPE

Why you gotta be so mean Noct?
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>>155136734
WELL THEN, THEY SHOULD RELEASE SUMMER LESSON IN THE WEST. HUH
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>>155136856
true
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>>155136734
>>155136875
they """kinda""" did it with zidane but with a twist, im sure they're throwing around the idea that it might actually work
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>>155136607
>without offering a single solution to any problem, or better yet doing something themselves
Someone might have done something themselves if this was something that was necessary.
People who aren't retarded realize that even if they DO manage to make an accurate list, it'll just be outdated in a couple weeks anyway. Just as an example, if this survey were done again now Ingus would be in.
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>>155136856
>those charts are heavily opinionated
>this survey was just a shitty popularity contest
take a second to think about what you just said. take another second to consider that it literally doesn't matter if it was a popularity contest. take a third second to breathe deeply before you sperg out.

if u dont like it, make your own or quit bitching.
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>>155136941
I mean, they don't care when they're making their games, it's just that what they do know is that it certainly can affect their sales or give them net negatives with the Western audience. So in production they might mostly appeal to their Japanese audience and worry about what the West thinks later.
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>>155134193
>Tidus in D-tier with shitters like Firion
The guy has a strong EnElement BSB and Powerchain/Full Charge, why does everyone underrate Teedus?
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>>155137054
>Ingus would be in.
Hold the fuck up. What?
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>>155134193
Complete shit get the fuck outta here
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>>155137097
>make your own
Don't play FF 1-3 first
Choose anything from 4-15 to start with.
Remember that 11 and 14 are MMOs.
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>>155136917
She deserved it. Granted, I didn't expect him to literally tear her to pieces and decapitate her.
That's one way how to deal with your PTSD.
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>>155137054
I knew it was an autist who couldn't get over the fact that his favorite character isn't listed was behind the shitposts. You need to let it go, man. Ingus isn't good.
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>>155137192
Ingus got some really good buffs after the RK maintenance a week ago, they gave him an Attack buff and Combat and WM 4*. So he has Support / Combat / WM 4* now and Knight 5* which is really solid for a physical attacker.

This is fine, I like Ingus.
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>>155137192
Ingus just picked up Combat 4 and White Magic 4 as well as an ATK buff, he's really damn good now. His main weakness before was only having Combat 3, but now he's yet another strong Paladin, but one that can also pack a Breakdown on top of that.

He went from being kinda trash to really good all of a sudden.

>>155137315
Actually, when I voted in the survey (yes, I did vote in it) the one I thought should have been in was Edgar. And you seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is a shitposter, I feel I should let you know that is not the case.
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>>155137330
Are you high? No one cares about Ingus because other knights can do the job better. His only 5* is in Knight, and his SBs get shit on by every other knight in the game already, let's not even get into the future ones.
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"surveys were a mistake"
-anonymous 2016
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>>155137097
I know what I said, it still applies.
I'm not going to make a character chart because that's a massive amount of effort that will be opinionated no matter the format used.
As for the games, if people wanted to help I'd gladly make an attempt at doing a decent pros/cons/? of each of the games later when I have time.
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>>155137712
>Taking the opinion of anonymous seriously
If we really want to see the opinion on survey's, we need to take a survey.
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>>155137603
>Steiner, Beatrix, Seifer, Leon

I beg to differ, Leon is only better if you have HotE and none of them have Support 4*. He has better utility purely on skillset.
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>>155137603
>let's not even get into the future ones
You mean the same future that has Ingus with a good EnEarth BSB?
He doesn't need any other 5*s, he has many options as it is. You can have him Saint Cross/Lifesiphon/Protectga/Shellga/Breakdown/Banishing Strike, what else do you want?
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>>155137712
i dunno about that let's find out

http://www.strawpoll.me/11254102
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>>155137547
Yes, I absolutely do think that if you're main of contention about the survey is that it's shit for no given reason, then you are a shitposter. Also, the fact that the chart will be obsolete eventually isn't a fault of the chart - that's a fact of the game that everyone understands, just as everyone understands that Cecil/Ramza/Gil ranking in S tier means shit if you don't have SBs for them.

The fact that you couldn't reason that out yourself is astounding, which is why I call you a shitposter. You don't even get basic assumptions about the survey. And if you have a legitimate problem with those basic assumptions, then feel free to do something yourself and show me how it's done. Do not pretend like character buffs come out every week, they don't.
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Should I take 2x Kefka to Lands of Plenty or Kefka and Exdeath to chain Blizzaga?

OR do I go Celes/Kefka/Kefka/Exdeath/Tellah/ some kind of barrage friend unit and just fucking full mage it?
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>>155138026
are you trying to show off or something? fuck you
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>>155138279
wow rude

i did it just fine with kefka/kefka/kefka/celes/WoL try that
or you could use kefka/kefka/exdeath/exdeath/tellah
or use my backup tellah/tellah/tellah/kefka/celes
make sure to equip your 12 MAG+30's
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>>155138016
>Also, the fact that the chart will be obsolete eventually isn't a fault of the chart
I never actually said it was. My point was that there is hardly anyone out there that will put any effort into something that will be out of date in hardly any time at all. The whole "Well why don't you guys make a better one!" argument is fucking retarded for this reason.

>Do not pretend like character buffs come out every week, they don't.
Except in the context of this survey (which includes SBs), they literally do with each event.

And the reasons why this survey is shit have been pointed out many times already, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. There are a ton of characters that are much higher or lower than they should be, and even the creator of the survey (you? I don't know) was bitching about things like Firion and FFV autists.
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>>155138003
Earth is one of the most resisted or absorbed elements in the game. Also, some of those ability combinations are not practical for many people (like ProShell + St Cross, because you would need a r4 SC to make it viable).

I agree that he's good because anyone carrying off-support breakdowns should be theoretically good, but you would have to explain some objective metric to measure his usefulness compared to simple popular opinion. If you can't do that, then there shouldn't be a problem if he gets voted low, because you have not provided any reasonable alternative method where characters like him would forcibly be valued appropriately.
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>>155138459
Whales don't use mages dingus
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>>155136629
I'd like a Non-Human protag first considering they have a wealth of different species. Hell they even had twice the opportunity with XI or XIV to have a promotional main character be a non-human but nope, we got XI's PC Hume & XIV's Meteor
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>>155138467
If you assume that the chart is most likely to be useful to people who ask questions like "who should I use? who is good?" then the time frame the chart was made shouldn't be a major problem. In one or two weeks, if someone asked that question, the tier chart would still make sense as a rough guide because while some characters will get better, almost no character will be worse off in the future than now. Do you get what I mean?

The interference by FFV autists is an unavoidable consequence of anonymous voting and better ways to rank the characters probably exist, but since no one wants to step up and explain those methods, this chart is actually fine as it is imo.
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>>155138941
Why do people pretend Terra and Zidane don't exist?
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>>155139090
Reddit's is better.
There, I said it.
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>>155139164
y tho
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>>155139091
Hell, Cecil's not human, either.
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>>155139164
I mean that's not hard when people didn't care about the survey too much and surveyanon was kind of forcing it down /ffg/'s throats.

>>155139256
Well, half-Lunarian, right? Just half.
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>>155139091
>>155139256
Lightnig isn't a human either

she's a goddess
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>>155139305
The way that someone talking about an MMO is forcing it down /ffg/'s throat? The way that posting waifus is forcing it down /ffg/'s throat? What does that mean, I'm genuinely curious.
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>>155139090
>If you assume that the chart is most likely to be useful to people who ask questions like "who should I use? who is good?"
No, it really isn't useful.
Several of those characters aren't very good or special without their SBs. Cecil, for example, is really fucking average at base. Add in his BSB and he turns into a monster.

>>155139256
Shit, even I blanked that.

>>155139330
Go away.
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>>155139457
No, the way these BE fags force their shit game down /ffg/'s throat. I'm sure he means that.
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no one saw that

should I go full madman and set up a macro for this luna TM? using firion/wol/cod/exdeath/lenna, figure i can get mag+30 afterward
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>>155139457
Hi surveyanon.

My best guess is honestly that you kept posting it when /ffg/ was busy telling everyone to kill themselves and not during comfy hours imo, so the initial impression kind of stuck?
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>>155139550
Hell, if we wanted to stretch, Tidus is a Dream.
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Esper placement advice please? Pretend CoD is maxed out.
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>>155139090
>If you assume that the chart is most likely to be useful to people who ask questions like "who should I use? who is good?"
Most of the people who ask those kinds of questions are new though, and likely don't have many (or any) of the SBs that are the main factor when it comes to determining quality in this specific survey. And while some characters there will still be highly rated even when disregarding SBs like Ramza and Gilgamesh, those players would still need these exceptions explained to them.

So it's not really all that much of a help when players can just post their relics or something since then they can get an answer tailored to what THEY have.

Also >>155139164.
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>>155139610
Well you'd only need one barrage for Firion, so that takes less than a week to get it.
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>>155139550
It was already stated that any discussion of which characters are good or not implies a discussion of those characters with their SBs - it's SBs that get a character used in your party after all. I can't believe you keep making this mistake about the basic assumption of any discussion about RK characters. How many more times do you need to be corrected to get it?
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>>155139721
CoD gets Ifrit, Cecil gets Golem, Lenna gets Siren, Garland gets Shiva and Tellah gets Ramuh

CoD is stronger than Garland in every way right now, and she DESPERATELY needs the extra ATK to shine.
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>>155139975
Swap Siren and Shiva and you're solid.
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>>155139676
Thanks for being honest instead of mindlessly repeating nonsensical buzzwords, dude.
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>>155138279
>>155138459

fyi guys the best I've found so far is Cecil/Lenna/Kefka/Kefka/Cod/CoD :D
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>>155139684
Eh, that one is a bit grasping. He's not real, but he's at least human.

>>155139885
And what part of "new player" don't you get?
Those players don't have those SBs, those players might not have a chance at those SBs for months and might not pull them anyways.
I know this is hard for you to understand, but this chart really does nothing to help a new player and even for the more experienced players, there are many incorrect factors.
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>>155140412

Good for you anon.
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>>155140413
a new player with no soul breaks gets an idea of the top characters and which ones to pull for or look at investing their mythril into as they play. its irrelevant when or how they get those relics, as long as they understand the character hierarchy.

i mean, i would never advise someone to chase ingus relics because they arent that good imo. so to me, its good he's not on the chart. also the middle sections are in my experience the least likely to be remembered. people will remember that ingus is bad and that ramza is good, for example, and thats an okay guide to provide new players.

its not like they have to obey the whole damn thing yknow? if their fave char isnt rated low, do you think they would not pull for them? ofc they will.
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>tfw he'll never come back again
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>>155141074
>he never did one for lightning
even that poor disturbed man understood the importance of showing respect to the goddess

he will be saved
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>Finally finish hero ring number two
Feels so good.
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>>155141074
Good. Guy sounds like he'd be perfect for XIVG.
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>>155141028
>a new player with no soul breaks gets an idea of the top characters and which ones to pull for or look at investing their mythril into as they play
Most of the great relics that show up are new power creepy ones, though, which this chart obviously doesn't account for.

Really, I'd say that every player, new or old, should ignore this survey. It's right in a couple areas but it's very wrong in others. Old players know what's wrong with it so they have no use for it, and new players can get bad info from it when just discussing future banners can get them so much farther and with less misinformation.

It's far easier to tell them simply that Shout and Wall specifically are super good than it is to show Ramza or Y'shtola in a high position with no actual explanation as to why.
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>>155132727
Nah
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>>155141074
If your waifu is on there and she isn't shaved clean, you need a new waifu.
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>>155140103
False.

Lenna doesn't need the extra SPR to heal all his team to full. It's wasted stat points.
But Garland could absolutely benefit from the extra attack Shiva has.
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>>155141465
Good shit
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>>155141074
>that guy saying Meme Keeper was the only thing keeping /ffg/ alive

Those were simpler times.
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Post yfw you waste less than 100 EXP when you cap a character to 80
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>>155141465
>281
cute
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>>155142007
>capping or using that piece of trash ever
I'm upset
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>>155142007
post yfw u waste eggs capping wol
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>>155142150
I cap literally everyone, it's a lifestyle. Only Strago is left who isn't at their max level at the moment.

>>155142158
still have like a flat 200 growth eggs, it's all sunday dungeon grinding.
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>>155142018
I CAN DO BETTER
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Why does Sin attack dream Zanarkand at the start of 10? I thought he was supposed to act as it's guardian, taking out anyone who gets close to it so it's never found.
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>>155142643
>not saving your eggs for the upcoming major orb exchange shop
wew lad
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>>155142018
>>155142685
anon BTFO
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>>155142862
I don't keep up with JP that much, what the fuck is this
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>>155139091
Half Esper/Half Human & a Saiyan doll are still "human".
>>155139256
Lunarian is still Human.

I'm talking about something like a Sahagin or a Bangaa or a Quadav. Something decidedly not human, a beastman if you will.
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>>155142851
Sin was also a dream in that opening sequence. The dream is based on the old war where he is summoned by bevelle to destroy zanarkand.
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>>155143047
Sin was created by Yu Yevon in Zanarkand as a weapon against Bevelle, Bevelle's super weapon was Vegnagun
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>>155142851
Have you finished the game?
It's because Jecht wanted to bring Tidus into Spira. Do you remember Auron asking "You're sure?" right before grabbing Tidus? Jecht still had a decent amount of control at that time.
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>>155141816
Best part is that I just realized that I had the 2* Ifrit fight available so that just jumped another 5.

>>155142018
>>155142685
>Higher leveled Ifrit
I've got nothing to be upset over.
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>>155142954
Golden egg store, you can buy majors and monthly mythril. Also motes I think.
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that bad feel when u have only 23 mythril

i wanna mug that vaynr fag and crush his glasses
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Wait, do I really have to beat dark valeafor to collect the Jecht sphere in besaid? Man I don't wanna do this postgame retarded bullshit, I just want my side story. Anyway to cheese the fuck out of it / skip it?
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>>155143717
Youtube.
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>>155143717
You're probably able to fight him about when you hit the endgame dungeon.
The problem with the superbosses of X is that they're stat checks.
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I want to try one of the mobage all of you rave on about. RK or Exvius?
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>>155143717
Same way you cheese all the bosses in 10.
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>>155144051
I personally prefer BE and right now is the perfect time to start out with 5 incredibly top tier characters on a higher pull rate.
It's more grindy, but it's manageable right now.
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>>155144051
RK for sure, Exvius is just grinding and grinding and grinding. RK at least has nostalgia going for it.
If you're ever going to start Exvius though, now's the time. We've got a good banner on. Though honestly I have a hard time recommending Global BE to anyone considering JP's vastly superior gacha.
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>>155144059
Wait, this actually works on super bosses? What in the actual fuck.
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>>155143047
What? The old dude at Gagazet says Yu Yevon (of Zanarkand) created Sin around himself to fight off Bevelle and protect the dream Zanarkand.

>>155143147
I thought about that possibly being the case, and I guess it makes some sense that since jecht has such a low level of control he can't help but destroy it even if he could steer himself towards it. Kind of feel like Sin would have to have some resistance to attacking dream zanarkand in the first place though.

Though it also brings up other things I'm fuzzy on like how the transportation to Spira actually works. Are they just supposed to be like teleported there or are they physically carried along with him or something? Also seems to be implied that Jecht has a lot of control over who he transports if he managed to take Tidus along and no one else. Makes it a little weird when you consider that Jecht made it to Spira without any relation to the Sin at the time and Auron did the reverse somehow.

>>155143717
Dark Valefor is really easy, I had to deal with the same shit earlier. Granted I did have a fully completed expert sphere grid on Rikku (no arena farming for spheres) and she pretty much soloed her as long as Yuna summoned on OD. Overdrive -> AP makes it very easy and relatively quick to do, if not slightly tedious with having to actually spend all of the time activating nodes and such.
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>>155144516
Those madmen made it work on everything.
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>>155144516
Zanmato one-shots everything in the game. Not even Penance is excluded.

It's piss easy to do too as long as you're not playing international/remaster
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>>155144461
>Though honestly I have a hard time recommending Global BE to anyone considering JP's vastly superior gacha.
The only difference is having more characters available and the assured 4* base on 11x pulls.
With half price daily pulls that's much less of an issue currently.

>>155144516
It works on EVERYTHING. Just like Selphie's The End.
Well, except for maybe one boss due to the mechanic behind it.
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What it could possible be?
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>>155135494
>Literally the best written protagonist in any medium of entertainment.
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>>155144542
>Are they just supposed to be like teleported there or are they physically carried along with him or something?
The latter.

>Makes it a little weird when you consider that Jecht made it to Spira without any relation to the Sin at the time and Auron did the reverse somehow
Jecht got lost at sea and found his way to Spira after encountering the old Sin, actually. Auron got to Zanarkand by literally riding Sin there after Jecht became Sin, remember that Jecht's "dying wish" was for Auron to look after his kid.

Give this a read.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Jecht#Final_Fantasy_X
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>>155144965
>>155144542
Zanarkand isn't a different dimension or anything. it's off in some corner of the world where the fayth are summoning it.
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>>155144925
c'mon Russell!
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>>155144918
>The only difference is having more characters available and the assured 4* base on 11x pulls
That's not it at all, you must have missed the memo.
Here's a couple things that JP's gacha does that Global's doesn't.

-Crystals in the gacha only give out characters in their base rarity, so getting a 4* crystal will always give you a character like Chizuru or Refia and a 5* crystal will always give you a character like Teedus or Lightning. No 4* Lanis or Sabins or 5* Xiaos ruining your day.
-Characters within a certain rarity have the exact same chance of being pulled. For example, your odds of getting Cecil and your odds of getting Penelo are exactly the same, since they're both base 3*s. Unlike global where Bedile and Friends show up all the time to suck up your lapis.
-All gacha rates on every banner are completely visible, you always know what your chances are of getting a character.

JP fucking rules tbqhwy.
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>>155144925
Kain.
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>>155145304
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>>155135494
Why doesn't basch just go around doing this instead of vaan?
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>>155144925
Nice Penelo, anon.
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>>155145468
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>>155145501
Vaan does it so that the citizens can just pass it off as some kid doing a prank, all they wanted to do was get the Resistance's attention.
If Basch himself did it, then some people would actually believe it and that would be a bad thing.
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>>155144925
You thought it was a cute girl? No, it was I, Golbez!
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>>155144925
Vivi is cute! CUTE!
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>>155145304
>>155145468
>>155145619
I was scared you wouldn't show up lad
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>>155144965
>Auron got to Zanarkand by literally riding Sin there after Jecht became Sin
Why is Auron such a badass?

Though thank you for the explanations, I think I get it mostly.
Tidus gets physically sucked up by Sin at the start and he spits him out in Spira, Jecht mostly winds up there after finding Sin at sea, and Auron hops on his best friends back like a big whale taxi.

>>155145074
I got that, it just seemed like it would take a lot of coincidence to go from one to the next and make it out alive without Sin personally handing the transportation, which he seems to have done for everyone except Jecht who just got lucky and made it through somehow?
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>>155145378
>>155145459
>>155145582
>>155145705
:^)
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>>155145926
Jecht was never alive to begin with. Anyway, I'm assuimg he doesn't come in direct contact with sin, probably just gets washed up in a storm, and eventually arrested by Bevelle police
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>>155145962
Into the trash he goes.
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Why the fuck Garnet's BSB doesn't give EnHoly?
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>>155146014
>I'm assuimg he doesn't come in direct contact with sin
He does, though.
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Is Yuna the only character so far with 2 BSBs?
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>>155145427
That's all stuff we're likely to get down the road. I doubt JP started with all of that either.
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>>155146236
Currently? Yes, but that's because she had a really shitty BSB and really need a new one
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>>155118335
Start with the Main serie and follow the production order.
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>>155146282
They didn't, but of course the common reason given for these changes (particularly the visible gacha part) is because of Japan's strict anti-gambling laws.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that we're "likely" to get all that stuff, but it's certainly possible. It's not something I'd recommend banking on though, I'd rather go with the safe bet since spending lapis on global and getting my third 4* Vivi when I have a better option available is more than a bit irritating.
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>>155146014
>Jecht was never alive to begin with
I feel like that's a pretty grey area. Whether or not the dreams can actually die isn't explained from what I've seen, and outside being "dreams" everything else about them seems to be the same as a real human.

I mean Tidus can definitely die in battle, but perhaps that's just a necessary discrepancy between gameplay and story in order for the game to actually work.
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What's the best job class and why is it Blue Mage?
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just rolled chiz

Who should I replace? Also I have a free party slot

https://m.imgur.com/a/ZNQus
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>>155146810
>posting image hosting sites' links on an image board
>imgur

Hello and fuck off plebbit
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>>155147358
Sorry I'll post them here
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>19 in one go

Wew thats lucky. Lowest ive gotten is 10.
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>>155145962
I feel rage on your behalf.
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>>155147495
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>>155147670
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>>155145962
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>>155147834
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>>155143284
See that's what makes Greentits so great.

You literally CAN'T whale with her.
She is pure. PURE.
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>>155148031
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>>155141074
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>>155148219
I'm glad 4chan is so much more efficient and convenient for posting multiple images at a time
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>>155148412
www.paint.com
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Do I play X-2?

I hear it's pretty fun with good gameplay
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Whew, wasn't sure at first, but after enough S/L to get Lenna to cast Protectga before the first Monk Kick, I was able to keep the battle under control. Bartz's BSB was my biggest damage dealer, but Gilgamesh pitched in with a couple of timely Faithful Companions (the Regen helped, too) Faris's Sea Lord's Broadside also kept Bartz's damage in check.

After surviving the first few turns, the only real worry was that Light of the Four could gank any the bottom three if he focused on them, or if he spammed too much AoE. Drawtaliate was solely to absorb counter attacks and the occasional Ranger Barrage.

Now to get back to Sundaily before I tackle the VI event.
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Why is everybody praising Garnet as best healer in BE when clearly Lenna and (to some minor extent) Fina are better healers?
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>>155149432
Krile is actually technically the best healer in terms of raw heal output, but the wiki is run by Ledditors and retards.

Followed by Garnet
Followed by Roeselia
Followed by Lenna

Terra and Tellah don't even factor into the equation but they're still on the list for some reason.

The best all round healer unit to use is probably Lenna on a physical team, although there's no reason not to use both her and Krile.

The rest are trash.
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>>155149432
Curaja and Raise on her kit makes her the best healer for a time until Refia hits with Arise instead of Raise.

Though 6* Fina whenever she arrives will likely have Curaja and Raise alongside MP Refresh and Cheer based off her swimsuit version.
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>>155148813
yes
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>>155149848
But can Krile use Raise?
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>>155150256

>dying
>ever

Lmao
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>>155150256
>>155150013
Raise is a largely unnecessary skill, and a very bad skill to have on your main healer.

It's like the amulet of lifesaving in Nethack: sure it brings you back to life, but it's not going to get rid of that horrible monster that killed you the first time.

If you spend the turn using raise instead of healing, you're setting yourself up for a Sophie's Choice kind of situation. Your healer should always be able to be free for heals when necessary, and raise detracts from that.
It's a skill that better suits non-healers, like Amarant.

Arise is another animal entirely, because HP pools get INSANE at 6*. Curaja won't just bring you to max anymore, and arise is basically a heal too.

Better healing potential is a more valuable commodity than raise, and Garnet's COMPLETE lack of utility outside of these two skills is retarded.

If your healer isn't krile or lenna, you're playing the game wrong.
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>>155150756
>If your healer isn't krile or lenna, you're playing the game wrong
I wasn't aware that gacha RNG was a skill.
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>>155150578
I-It's not my fault that I don't check my party if they're poisoned or not when exploring
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>>155149848
>wiki says "Tellah doubles as a healer"
LOL

having Raise on him is ace when you run him with Lenna, but saying he "doubles as a healer" is a joke
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>>155151054
Exactly, he's the kind of unit you want to use Raise with (even though it's pretty niche even then).

But he's not a "healer" because of it. He's a goddamn mage.

>>155150953
There's no excuse for not having at least krile.

I have seven.
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I don't get this image

Only I and IV are agreeable, rest are weird picks desu.
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>>155151054
He can heal if you want Lenna to reserve her MP for Cheer or Curaja
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>>155151235
that would make him an off-healer
saying he doubles as a healer makes it sound like he could be a healer on his own
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>>155151468
I'm confused because I don't play multiplayer/online. What's the difference between off-healer and sub-healer?
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>finally got around to doing FFV event ultimate
>mfw reading the description on ultimate+ bartz

hooooly shit, i'm ready to take on monk shenanigans. think this team can take it? abilities to be edited a bit, was the setup for the last battle.

this was my first ultimate since switching over to minwu SSB, goddamn that shit is clutch, so many uses with battleforged too
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>>155150013
Any idea what Evil Fina brings to the table?
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>>155152015
Good luck. You only have 1 hour and 45 minutes before the event ends.
Also change Magic BD to Power BD and change Magic Lure to Draw Fire or Retaliate.
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>>155152015
Change Bartz RM to maybe his first RM since you're using wind?
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>>155151662
Probably means the same thing. Off-healer is someone who can pick up a heal when it's needed, but is otherwise not their main reason for being there
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>>155152015
The main problem is just surviving the initial monk kicks from the broken AI before you can get mitigation up. So just don't quit early if that starts to get frustrating.
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>>155152375
Well as long as he gets in the battle before it ends he has the 72 hour period after that to S/L, hopefully it doesn't take that long for him though.

Also, Draw Fire is useless for the latter part of the battle since most of his attacks are flagged as NAT instead of PHY so they aren't taunted.
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>>155152283

Few aga spells, double cast black magic, passive mp recovery, unique dark aoe, and debuff version of cheer on enemies
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>>155152571
Yes, but the DEF boost can be a little help, and Bartz's counter along with Ranger shot can be taunted
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>>155150953
fina is a great healer
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>>155152283
Powerful nuking potential as the first mage with Ultima and W Black Magic. She even gets Stonga and Waterga and Aeroga in addition to Bioga and Thundaga and passive MP recovery in addition to the debuff version of Cheer on enemies. She has a strong dark focus compared to her swimsuit version who has a water focus, but both are essentially the same unit.
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I like how Omniscient's Curaja counter is actually strong enough it may as well be Reset on any damage you do but holy fuck it's annoying. Is this supposed to be one of those rare Ultimates where you're supposed to fall for the mage meta meme?
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>>155153280
What. Just find someone with high MND that can use Stop
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>>155153413
See, that's the thing. I don't have many good mage relics so that basically confines me to three physical attackers and low V synergy which means I'll run out of hones super fast by the time I kill Minotaur and move on to Omniscient. I do have a fuckton of SSBs though, so at the moment my plan is just to waste Minotaur with Lifesiphons and blast Omniscient into the ground with like eight charges of SSB, it could work.
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>>155152375
>>155152506
yeah like i said, that was for minotaur/omniscient, weak to wind with attunement 2 and magic lure to hold off the death spells. bout to start it up now, thanks for the input anons

>>155153280
look at the team i just posted, literally just cleared omni without much synergy. i took fran with stop at 8 hones and it worked well. get everyone ready, cast stop, and if it lands just unload the full team (everyone is able to go once including the stop caster, then it will wear off), then repeat. once you get omni down the battle is easy, throw up protectga and power break and he just tickles you
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>start jamming out to big bridge music at bartz u+ loads
>nice okay lets get re-
>monk kick
>no prob i'll just heal that up an-
>monk kick

so this is how it's gonna be, eh?
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>>155148412
MSpaint dude.
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>>155153702
Post team
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>>155154353
>>155154353
>>155154353

new thread
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>>155154048
After the initial spam he starts using other moves, but he almost always uses it twice at the start.
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>>155154314
Whoops. Magic BD should be Power BD since Omniscent can't literally move
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>>155147495
>>155148412
>>155147670
>>155147834
>>155148031
>>155148219
The main advice that I can give you is to max ONE unit at the time.

I understand that the attraction of trying out new awesome units is great, but you're not doing yourself nor your units a favour to half-bake them.

Also, level up your espers. It's a pain in the ass but obviously worth it.

Chizuru is great, but I'd say that for now Fencer is the better choice given that she has more tricks up her sleeves.

I don't like Vaan as a character, but he's excellent in BE. Full Break and Focus mean that both physical and magical units will hit harder.

Lenna will be your main healer for quite a while - Cheer is great, and Curaja is greater.

I doubt you will manage to max enough units for the current event, but Kefka is exceedingly useful - Escape will allow you to give the finger to random encounters and then nuke the bosses with Hyperdrive. Alas, that nasty little ability arrives at lv80.

Bartz is a good barrage user, doesn't have many tricks up his sleeves but he's a rock solid unit.

WoL can be used instead of Vaan if you prefer a tankier character. I personally would use him over Vaan for that - WoL and Provoke are a match made in heaven. AND if you somehow manage to snag 80 Cave Stones from the current event, Shining Splendor is basically tailored for tanks like him, Leo and Cecil.

So to recap: Lenna and a Full Breaker are a must, barrage user (either Chorizo or Bartz are fine, but given that Bartz is already halfway there I'd pick him for immediate use). Whether you want a magic user or another physical unit (Fencer) is all up to your preference. Vaan can boost your mages healer, WoL can tank the damage for them.
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