/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games

>>154964794
Who's Shoshone?

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>>154965101
Pocatello

I haven't touched stellaris since the week of release.
Did they make it better yet?

>>154965595
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Is this a good enough start?

>>154967290
Lucky bastard.

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Give me your epic 4x ideas

>>154968703
a 4x game

UNDER THE SEA

>>154968703
Waifus.

Haven't looked at Stellaris in months and months and months. Is it playable yet, or will it never be?

>>154968889
FUND IT

>>154968703
A game set in the Abyss.
Each new "town" is actually a fragment of consciousness given form.

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>>154967835
>>154967290
could be better
course my grain is from mokosh's resource bonus and not there naturally so I'm actually a little bit pissy a second grain resource spawned right next to it

>>154968703
plate tectonics
Your enemy is the planet itself.

>>154968703
4x game with no grid
that isn't set in space

>>154969358
t. Alpha Centauri

>>154968703
Near future setting.
Starts off in a small local area.
Instead of "ages" you start managing 1 person, then acquire new people, then you're managing a pair, a small party, a group, a "town" etc.
The first handfuls of turns is for exploring/scouting/getting your bearings. Then cliche zombie outbreak happens. You have to establish your base of operations. Other civilizations/survivors will be your allies and enemies as the game progresses. Tech tree will require you to find/recruit different survivors but certain core gameplay will be available to everyone (everyone can grow tomatoes even if you're a city born pizza delivery guy). Units like cars and boats can't be bought but scavenged, or bartered for, or even stolen in the event you fight against one.
As you progress by arming your folks, upgrading defences, communication, etc you can start to clear more buildings and expand your colony. Resources won't respawn so you'll most likely need to travel with large groups multiple times a game until you can establish a self sufficient community.
You win by eradicating your map of the zombie threat, be that on your own, through diplomacy of other colonies, discovering/creating a cure, escaping your continent, etc.

I kind of want to watch a playthrough of CIV 5 anyone got a decent suggestion on who I could watch?

>>154969927
Marbozir is good, although he has a thick accent

>>154969072
no

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>>154968703
This might already exist, and if it does please let me know.

A space 4x game that takes place on the surface of spherical planets, and that allows you to find and colonize other planets or make contact with their inhabitants. Rather that immediately starting in the future however, you begin in the ancient era, competing with other Civs on your planet and have to work your way up to unlocking the technology for space travel.

>>154970295
So Spore, but not shit.

>>154970378
huh.. i guess that's what I was thinking yeah

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>>154970378
I don't think I'll ever be not assblasted about Spore

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>>154969346
About to try the free Demo on Steam, anyone know how it is?

>>154970862
I don't think I'll ever not be assblasted about Planetary Annihilation, Starbound, Paranautical Activity and Inescapable.

>>154971306
>>154970862
My ass is already ravaged

tfw I only get into games im certain about and dont rely on promises so ive never been burned
feels good

>>154971459
>lists no games
Games are better when you don't follow them before release

>>154968703
bees

>>154971912
What about ants?

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>>154968703
A 4x about mining all of the resources on an asteroid in the struggle to survive and blaze it.

>>154970378
civ stage was impossible on Hard, unless you started with a merchant city.

>>154972195
You know what the entire game was
shit

>>154968703
a game based on the private sector of distant worlds

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>>154967290
>>154967835
>>154969346
Been exploring for a bit.

>>154972697
I hate you.

>>154972498
A space capitalism 2/transport tycoon
My dick is hard

>>154972697
You must've really ramped up the resources option or something for that playthrough.

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Which freaking tile has the uranium?

>>154972935
never mind, I'm an idiot

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>>154972935
there is an arrow pointing to it out of the bottom of the icon you sperg

>>154972935
>tfw brain damage

>>154972935
WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL

>>154972915
there is no resources option
playing on a small world size only guarantees 1 copy of each resource; they should still be spread out and confined to specific biomes

>>154969835
I could never play another fucking zombie survival game in my life and be better for it, pass.

I want to fuck Boudicca

Should I scrap the free vessel you get in your starting system in Distant Worlds?

Which Civ is the most FUN to play?

>>154965595
Yes, but I'd wait until the next update until trying it again.

>>154975585
Inca

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>>154975585

Confederates.

>>154975980
I really do not understand 'confederate pride'. They got absolutely crushed.

>>154975980
'preserve their way of life'

Oh the euphemisms

>>154976069
Rednecks and /pol/acks

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>>154976069

Then you don't really understand America.

>>154976139
It isn't a euphemism because it's quite literal. Also I'm not going to say that it 'wasn't about slavery', but that certainly wasn't the main issue - the main issue was whether or not the central government had the right to tell individual states whether or not slavery was allowed.

>>154976139
Civilzation lets you play as the Romans, who practiced slavery on an institutional scale, the Americans, who founded their country through mass genocide, and the Mongolians, who killed so many people it slightly altered the temperature of the entire earth, and many other civilizations who had and have skeletons aplenty in their closets.

The CSA is a fine choice for a civ with company like that.

>>154976069
What other pride is the south going to have? being ex-spanish colonies?

>>154976349
>Then you don't really understand America.
Yeah uh
Look at least they fucking won that war even if mainly because the British didn't have time to deal with them when France was waving its cock around. The Confederates got obliterated.

>Washington
Who was a literal British officer who kept trying to engage in field battles before people talked him out of an idiotic idea.

>>154976473
Not him but the CSA is kind of pathetic as a "civilization" which lasted 4 years and didn't achieve all that much international recognition.

>>154976584
They could just shout USA USA USA like the rest of their nation.

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>>154976473
>the Americans, who founded their country through mass genocide

>>154976679
Butthurt yankee detected

>>154976069
>They got absolutely crushed.
Outnumbered 2:1, and still killed more

>>154976069
its just like african pride. it doesnt make much sense at all. in reality, most practicing confederates are just racists who try to justify it.
>>154976874
kd ratio doesnt really matter in wars

>>154976874
As I said, "absolutely crushed". I don't care about KDR, even beginning the war was idiotic when they were so obviously outmatched in almost every goddamn way.

>>154976926
>kd ratio doesnt really matter in wars
It means that they didn't get absolutely crushed

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tfw Blessed Paths is actually worthwhile for your village

>>154976926
Original poster.
There's nothing wrong with racism as long as you know you're racist.

>>154976991
It kind of does. The North hardly took damage, the south had to be rebuilt. That's what I call 'crushed', wouldn't you agree?

>>154976961
>As I said, "absolutely crushed". I don't care about KDR, even beginning the war was idiotic when they were so obviously outmatched in almost every goddamn way.

Absolutely crushed is killing off your opponent with hardly any casualties.
Not outdying them despite having a much superior force.

>>154976991
By that logic, America didn't get their asses handed to them in Vietnam.

>>154977131
>Absolutely crushed is killing off your opponent with hardly any casualties.
On a tactical level yes, on a strategic level no. The North could've burned the south to ash if they felt like it (and could deal with the backlash), the south didn't even get to the valuable parts of the north.

>>154977107
>The North hardly took damage
Except for dying more

>>154977107
>There's nothing wrong with racism as long as you know you're racist.
yea I know. but its honestly pathetic what some of them do. I live in the south (florida) in a pretty hick area. you get giant trucks driving around with confederate flags waving (along with bush and trump stickers) and people not wanting to rename schools that used to be named after slave owners/confederate generals, because its a part of their 'culture.' its okay if you're racist but they try to justify it by saying its their culture, not them.

>>154977368
>people not wanting to rename schools that used to be named after slave owners/confederate generals
Let me guess, you were voting for Bernie?

>>154977345
And having a bigger population so they could absorb the deaths better and a relatively unstrained industry which allowed them to recover easily. Relatively symmetrical wars aren't determined by death counts.

>>154977368
>hick area
I am sorry for your loss.

>not wanting to rename schools
I don't see the problem here though. Renaming those schools is like censorship and denying part of history ever occurred. Jefferson Davis might've been a confederate but most people generally agree he was at least somewhat competent and actually wanted the best for his people.

>>154977368
>but they try to justify it by saying its their culture
Perhaps the same could be said of most of the USA

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Feels good man
Now I just need an Orc or dwarf to wield it

>>154977774
Half of the USA doesn't know what that word means

>>154977862
They also hate spics despiste half the USA being ex spanish territories

>>154977368
>people not wanting to rename schools that used to be named after slave owners
Is it time to shut down George Washington University
#black lives matter

Any good non space games?

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>>154977643
>Renaming those schools is like censorship and denying part of history ever occurred.
Arguable. People can say the complete opposite, that ignoring the fact that these people owned slaves is denying that they ever did owned them.

>>154977368
>people not wanting to rename schools that used to be named after slave owners/confederate generals, because its a part of their 'culture.'
No one would ever take seriously the idea of renaming Washington DC or taking down Washington Monument despite the fact that George Washington was a slave owner himself because it's part of American culture.

>>154978228
>Arguable. People can say the complete opposite, that ignoring the fact that these people owned slaves is denying that they ever did owned them.
I imagine that it's more of a denial that it is a significant fact any more than someone being black himself is a significant fact. It isn't. Who cares if they were a slave owner? Back in the day it was like saying he was a motorcycle owner or an Apple user, /g/ memes about Apple being bad not just memes aside.

>>154978139
yes

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>>154978459
>Who cares if they were a slave owner?
People who are descendant of those slaves and feel insulted that a man who might have exploited their ancestors is being revered as a hero by some and his sins being ignored?
I mean, those who bear the Confederate flag talk big about their American pride and culture (ironic, considering that the confederate themselves where separatists who DIDN'T want to be American anymore), but what about the pride and culture of those who were exploited by these ancestors?

Wouldn't it be better for these places of importance to be renamed as something that ALL of the community that visits it can look up to?

post yfw
>Incan Norwegian ski infantry

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>>154971306
PA: Titans

>>154972143
It's been done. Or is being done.

bees

>>154979647
I laughed a little
then I frowned a lot

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>>154980865
It's our own fault in a way for trusting the earlier access meme. The only games I've ever seen actually go through with their promises so far are Subnautica and Prison Architect. PA was the biggest kick in the balls for sure though.

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>turn 10 endless legend as the alayyi
>find some cultist settler walking back and forth in a random spot of the map unguarded
>kill it
>the cultists have been exterminated!

>>154982935
AI can't reroll the map in case of shitty starts and Cultists are very picky about the region they have to settle.

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>>154964794
Are the following games 4x

>Battle Academy 2

>Order of Battle

>Pike and Shot

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>>154977284
The North did burn the South to Ash though.

>>154976069
Imagine you are part of a country that hates you and calls you retarded and worthless inbreds at every opportunity.

Wouldn't you take pride in the entity you were when you were independent?

>>154977368
So now we can't name schools after George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

>>154977997
Probably because Mexico isn't Spain. A bunch of Mestizos with their own culture are a different entity.

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What say you guys?

Is he being honest?

>>154979417
>Whining about shit that happened to an ancestor you don't fucking know and which has no direct impact on your life.
That's called being a bitch.

>>154979417
>Wouldn't it be better for these places of importance to be renamed as something that ALL of the community that visits it can look up to?
No, because something offends everybody and your retard logic would disqualify anyone worth respecting in American history while trying to erase Southern history and identity out of spite.

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>>154976069
Confederates fought for States rights.

Southerners are proud that they stood against the Federal Government and attempted to prevent the encroachment of an ever expanding federal government.

I mean its inarguable that Slavery did not play a part in the war. But if you analyze the reasons for the war its a lot deeper than just "muh slavery". If the US was so opposed to Slavery why did it limit its agression to just the South?

Cuba, and otheir Latin American countries continued to allow Slavery, most notable being Brazil where Confederates fled too.

Then on top of that, when you look at statistics around actual slave ownership, you'd see that only a marginal percentage of Southerners owned Slaves, mainly the wealthy. Then when you see who fought for the South (mainly the poor) you also have the question if the war was fought purely for Slavery.

>>154964582
You did it. You actually did it. The coveted, unachievable afraid status. I salute you, you genocidal maniac.

>>154986425
Many of the poor Southerners got duped into fighting the war by the wealthy in the first place. The wealthy didn't want abolition because that would almost certainly strip them of their wealth and power. Therefore it was almost entirely over slavery.

>>154986948
>Protecting your homeland and freedom.
>'Duped'
Not how that works. Many people believed in the principles of state's rights. Many people simply took up arms to protect their homes and families. That's not being duped. That's having principles and doing what's necessary during a war, respectively.

Also you know that kill an economy hurts everyone in that area, right?

>>154986425
> If the US was so opposed to Slavery why did it limit its agression to just the South?
Because those are entirely different countries? What kind of question is that?

>>154987198
It's actually because the US only attacked the South do to them seceding. Notably, the emancipation proclamation didn't come at the start of the war, and it only applied to Confederate areas and not slave states within the Union.

On the Union's side, it was never about abolishing slavery, it only became a matter later so the government could use it as a propaganda tool to support their war. On the Confederate side, fear of potential abolition was one of the reasons for seceding. Bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy there, but it's important to understand that the Union's goal with the war was not to end slavery.

>>154987198
It's not possible to use force to abolish slavery, in a foreign country?

>>154987612
Of course, but why the fuck would anyone do that? Are we seriously comparing invading a foreign country with putting down a rebellion?

>>154987612
You don't understand, this is ANOTHER country so they can have all the slaves they want, because it's the part of their ~CULTURE~ and you have to respect that.
Unlike filthy racist southerners, they can't have that.

>Never see ai build oracle
>except every game i try to build it they get it 1-4 turns before me
i swear to god they are programmed to focus production and start that shit the turn you do

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Can anyone mention ONE SINGLE ISSUE concerning state rights for which the confederates wanted to secede from America OTHER than the abolisment of slavery?

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>>154988451
>Northern manufacturing interests of exploiting the South and dominating the federal government.
>Tariffs on exports of raw materials

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>>154967290
>>154969346
Get on my level scrubs

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>>154988907
>>Northern manufacturing interests of exploiting the South
>>Tariffs on exports of raw materials
The North wanted to increase tariffs not because they wanted to exploit the South, but because they were looking to promote industrial growth so hat America could compete with European industries.
The South wasn't interested in the tariffs and promoted Free Trade because they relied on slavery so their production was much cheaper than the North's, so it's still about the abolishment of slavery.
>and dominating the federal government.
Except at that time the Congress was controlled by Democrats (Southeners), who have been for many years passing tariffs laws to the point that tariffs laws where at their lowest since 1816, so it's still about the abolisment of slavery.

It's not the North's fault the south had built their economy on the exploitation of slaves, and if they had continued to rely on it they would had eventually been surpassed by other countries who's industrial might would increase at an exponential level.

>>154986425
most latin countries abolished slavery way before they even got rid of the spanish mnarchy

>>154975980
what have you done to this thread you dense motherfucker

>>154991196
Divide it in two.

Just like they did in 1861

>>154991196
Not his problem tumblrinas STILL get triggered over confederate flag even though they were bopped hard more than 100 years ago.

>>154986278
What's the mod for that deal value?

>>154969835
>zombie threat

FUCKING NO

Laziest shit-ass player antagonist concept possible.

>>154970862
It's just your PTSD. Post-traumatic Spore disorder. We all know that feel.

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>>154975980
>the prosperity they enjoy today

Oh, I see - it's an alternate history mod.

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> my ass
> handed down
send help

>>154976679
Is pic related you?

>>154992661
Is it the dragon abducted some of your children?
You're supposed to meet a shoe cobbler who will get rid of the dragon if you bring him certain items and pay him one of your female villagers for a waife as a reward.

I got the good luck that my settlement attracted a useless scavenger woman right as he was asking for his reward so he married to an old hag.

>>154992742
They didn't found their country on genocide, they moved into the apocalyptic remains of plague.

The genocide came later.

>>154992135
Eh, I said it was cliche. We'll agree it's a bad antagonist but I can't think of any replacement that would offer the same options.

>>154969404
Since I set out the bait and nobody bit, does anyone know of any 4x games with no grid that aren't in space?

>>154996319
Total war.

>>154996319
It depends what you mean by "no grid". Pretty much all strategy games have tile-based maps of some kind.

>>154996552
But you can't make settlements in Total War. I don't know if I'd consider that a 4x game.

>>154971306
>starbound was supposed to come out in 2013
>still barely even an okay game

just

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>>154998394
>early access is still a thing
>people still constantly fall for it

>>154998643
Don't blame me, I didn't buy horse armor

>>154998643
There's no falling for it. People know exactly what they're getting. Like the retards who bought the $20 DLC pack for that one dinosaur survival game.

I just bought the shifter DLC for Endless legend. Are there any good mods or playstyles that go with the new race?

>>154999101
It was more a comment on the cancerous practices in general, not aimed at any specific anon

>>154999220
but that's even worse, they willingly buy shit. Don't kids these days understand the value of money? Don't they want to spend it on quality entertainment?

>>154999653
You don't want this premium bag of shit for $20? What are you, poor?

>>154999653

>but that's even worse, they willingly buy shit. Don't kids these days understand the value of money? Don't they want to spend it on quality entertainment?

A lot of it isn't kids surprisingly, just like minecraft, although most of it is kids, there's a not-insignificant amount of older guys playing stuff like DayZ, ARC, MC, all these hundreds of survival sandbox type games.

I have a 50y/o uncle who plays ARC with some guys he knows who are a similar age, and the sheer number of 20-30 y/o guys on yuotube doing their shitty playthroughs.

>>154997328
That's not a requirement of being a 4x game.

>>154996806
If it's a 2D map, you can't make anything smaller than a pixel on that map anyway.

>>154971240
The game is completely worth a jackson.

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This is why I love having expansionist neighbors.

I settled 3 cities in almost 500 turns. I just resettled the fourth one north of my capital. I conquered all the rest. All those hammers and apples saved from not having to build settlers and instead focus on obtaining superior technology and siege units.

God the Ottomans are so fun in Vox Populi.

https://twitter.com/EdBeach23/status/776413688492232704

Greece is the "baseline" civ of Civ VI.

>>155004872
What does 'baseline' mean here

>>155004961
Probably something like "other civ designs should not be significantly stronger or weaker than this, even if they may not be as flexible".

>>155005074
Oh so it's supposed to be the C rank civ?

>>154969835
t. Rebuild

I think I heard someone praising Divinity Original Sin here yesterday, disregard me if I was wrong
DoS: II is EA on Steam so you can try it out if you want more
It's actually legit more or less a straight upgrade.

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>>154971240
>"But unless they use a strap-on then they not dykes"

>>154991196

Nothing you faggot. The Confederates in that mod there are a cool fucking nation; being able to force other units to retreat the first 3 turns of a war is really interesting from a Defense war position. Additionally the Sharpshooter unit is pretty cool and the Manor of course gives them a way to farm culture.

It's not my fault retards want to start arguments about it instead of accepting it as a historical reality. It's no different then getting super butthurt at a Nazi Germany mod or something and getting triggered like a Tumblrina.

Don't ever talk shit to me or my nation every again.

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What the fuck, Catherine

>>155006634
ay

>>154981894
Rimworld too. Prison architect a shit.

>>155006634
PRANKED

How do I fuck up my closest neighbour in Stellaris? Not sure if I can trade ships because the AI probably cheats a lot.

>>155006690
You didn't like Rimworld?

>>155006835
No, I like it. Prison Architect is boring. Rimworld is gud Both went through with their promises

>>154992873
spoiler: if you choose to not give him a woman you can convince him to join your village instead

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About to take on a 3 skull challenge
Wish me luck

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>>155007031
jk I dont need luck

>>155006690
kys rin

>>155007119
What's the point of having a lot of people in your expedition if you can only use like 8 of them in a fight?

>>155007207
Tactical hand is valuable too
Also if you greatly outnumber your enemy you get to play more cards in succession

If you haven't played the game and are misunderstanding based on my screenshot I haven't finished throwing out my cards yet; there's 2 parts to a battle; the part where you and your opponent take turns playing cards and the part where the cards you've both played deal damage

This is halfway through the throwing cards out part because I wanted to highlight just how massive the Mroki's health is

>>155006183
This, I'm refusing to play 2 until full release simply because I don't want to spoil to experience.

>>155006183
I'll pass, I have Divinity 2 Director's Cut on Steam.
It crashes when you play as a dragon, and it's fucking brutal.
>killing monsters don't give you gold
>health potions are on limited supplies
>melee monsters will fuck your shit up
Nah, really.

>>155007471
>Divinity 2
No, Divinity ORIGINAL SIN 2. Were you not here were Original Sin was the best thing since waifus?

>>155008053
I was there, since I'm still laughing at how the graveyard dog talks of his master, saying that his master Jake once threw a ball, that he went to recover it, and that all was right in the world.

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It's official: there have returned. (No, not the Orcs.) Time to finish the Cosmic Tree quest hand out Leshys like it's no tomorrow.

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>Russia and Rome went to war
>Both have big stockpiles of ICBMs
>Not one fucking nuke has been used by either side
>I declare war on either one of them
>They fucking rain nukes on me for a hundred turns

What the fuck is your major malfunction, Catherine?

>>155008091
Simple happiness for simple folks.

>>155008165
Can you lose yet
I'm really hoping you lose but it doesn't seem likely.
>tfw you probably would've if the AI could into anything at all

>>155008168
A shame I couldn't feed him the sheep. The poor sap looks all skinny.

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T-t-thanks I guess, you too

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>>155008221
The Nippon holy lands are invincible as long as they have their steely resolve and mighty navy protecting their islands.

Even if the glorious Nippon navy were to be defeated, the invaders would have to face the rolling walls of steel on the land and a hail of nuclear death from above.

No living soul will ever land ashore on these islands.

>>155008359
You're fighting AI.

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>Carthage declares war on me extremely early on
>Take Hippo Regius in a peace deal
>She spends the next thousand years slinging insults
>Moves a small army near my borders
>Is suddenly friendly
Oh boy I wonder what happens when I tell her to move her troops

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Haha, Catherine. Lo' behold your conquerors.

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>>155008708
Dido just never got over getting dumped by her boyfriend.

>>155008771
>inb4 invasion force lands from the other side at this precise moment

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>>155008793
If they'd get any meaningful invasion force on the move without Nippon screen of subs at her coasts noticing, she'd have to get through this as well and also nukes. Lots and lots of nukes.

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>>155008878
The AI being retarded really pisses me off when I try to root for them
Like in Civ IV C2C
>meet Joan of Arc and Hitler both 'friendly' to each other at first meeting (+9 first impression holy shit)
>want to help both of them, keep sending them extra resources and shit because in Civ IV basically any extras beyond your first isn't worth much
>Joan of Arc wars Cyrus
>okay, she has strategic resource advantage and comparable hammers should go fine
>look back after 100 turns
>Joan is almost literally being raped in the ass by Cyrus' stone spearmen
>what the fuck
>Jeanne is attacking the spearmen with clubmen instead of slingers who get a +50% bonus against melee troops
>she also has her city on meagre fucking wealth
>wait wasn't Hitler in the war with her
>he's been throwing rafts towards Cyrus' city for the last 100 turns without any land support
Like what the fuck is going on

>>155009093
Tohsaka a shit.

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Why the hell aren't these two nuking each other?

They both have nukes and they've been fighting for a while now.

>>155009175
That's why she's taking the worm.

>>155009284
If you ask me, she deserves more than a worm.

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>>155009380
t. spankfag

>>155009419
t. jealous Nepgearanon

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>>155009419
>cloud district
>'''district'''
>it's literally just the Jarl's place that you can go into three seconds later

>>155009380
That file isn't even that bad wat

>>155009449
Nepgear isn't my waifu nor is she even the best nep
Pururut is best nep

>>155009513
Isn't Plutia the sadistic one?
That makes you the spankfag. Not me who just post art from some chinese fangame.

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>>155009608
Yeah but she isn't my waifu. I'd actually make IF-chan best nep but she isn't a goddess or goddess-in-waiting so I'm not sure she counts.

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>>155009419
Speaking about me?

>>155009608
That'd be me.

Any 4x games out there with an Economic victory that isn't shit?

>>155009789
Maybe Distant Worlds.

>>155009175
Last warning bud.

So,for some reason the great wall of china doesn`t seem to exist anymore in my civ 5. It`s not in the tech tree,can`t spawn it in ige,nothing. Has anyone ever encountered this problem? I wanted to build it around the massive territory of venice.

>>155010259
Tohsaka is for spanking. Nobody walks around with a skirt this short without trying to send a message.

>>155008793
>Dido just never got over getting dumped by her boyfriend.

>you will never hug Dido telling her everything will be all right and that you are there for her

why even live?

>>155010334
I wish there was a mod to make alliance definitive.
And in game, it translates as a marriage.

>>155010330
I'm not hearing anything negative.

>>155009789
It's hilarious with Endless Legend Broken Lords.
The way they function you have to spend money on so many things that aren't just increasing your dust income. You're making peanuts towards the economic victory.
And then you kinda just reach the moment the switch flips, and you're making half the economic victory requirement in dust every fucking turn.

>>155010641
Spanking can be a form of love.
If you're a sadist.

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Rip Rome's military

Also, why is Monty such a useless piece of shit that he can't even rise to the top after a nuclear war that spared him almost entirely and decimated everyone else?

Fucking Monty, grow a pair and have some ambition.

>>155011063
Don't diss Monty. He has some fine pythons.

>>155010641
Yeah, in terms of victory conditions, they're literally made for economic victories.

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>Anno Domini 2050
>Caravels

No wonder you are pathetic, Montezuma. You will never be anything but a third rate sidekick to the big boys or Catherine's punching bag.

>>155010792
nah
anyone who tells you sadism is about love is lying

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Ah, World Congress - Where everything is banned and nobody can trade with anyone. What a wonderful organization to be a part of.

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>>155012103
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of love.

>>155011418
Are you playing with an ultra slow mod or something?

>>155012470

The kid has guts, I'll give her that. Second game translation never ;_;

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Turn 417 with 9 +10 bonus cabbage patches for the past 100 turns
I only have 10 kids
How the fuck am I supposed to get the 30 kid cheevo

>>155013297
and an event just killed 2 of them on an autosave turn
lovely

>>155013227
Sadly.

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>>155012762
Marathon, huge map, domination only, MAD mod for unlimited nukes and global warming to spice things up.

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How's Act of War as a RTS?

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>>155016380
>>155016380
Don't answer all at once, okay?

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>wiped out Catherine's nukes with carefully placed nuclear sub strikes along her coastline
>nuked her land forces on the main continent
>nuked her main cities back to stoneage
>only got nuked 5 times myself

Yeah, she's going down this time.

>>155017315
>only got nuked 5 times
>ONLY

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>>155017427
Compared to getting nuked over 20 times in the last war, that's a win.

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>>155017427
If you see this graph, you can see the current war doesn't even register on the graph visibly compared to the last war.

>>155017689
Remember Rise of Nations and how everyone would lose the game after 5 nukes?

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>>155017862
Never played that game that much.

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Nippon banzai KEKEKEKEKE

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>>155008708
And suddenly I'm the bad guy for conquering her capital after centuries of abuse

>>155008345
lol at your sinking settlement.

>UNDER DA SEA

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>>154968703

Space 4X. Humanity is a serious underdog race in a chaotic backwards area of space whose racial superpower is that everyone wants to fuck us. Our physical traits match up with a loose category of species who evolved with traits that made them at least minimally sexually desirable to almost everyone with compatible genitals, and are usually submissive, eager-to-please and generally easily enslaved, leading races who should know better to overlook the fact that we're also aggressive, intelligent, extremely ambitious fast-breeding predator-apes with nuclear weapons. We're also square in the center of a lawless pocket of space nominally controlled by a race of psychotic, cannibalistic religious fanatic monsters who live in fortified space habitats, can survive in vacuum, and reproduce by seeding the upper atmospheres of water planets with their toxic larvae, but they can barely hold their own against the rabble of minor races, pirates, warlords, space monsters, rogue AIs and semi-sentient insectoid swarms infesting their territory.

Essentially, humans are a really sexy uncontacted jungle tribe in a very isolated valley who learn how to farm, build, forge bronze weapons, have enough vicious internal battles that they develop very professional armies and a warrior ethos, and develop the idea of imperialism before sending their conquering armies out into the shitty strife-torn third-world dictatorship they live in the heart of, appearing out of absolutely fucking nowhere to try and overthrow the cruel masters, along with the Islamic insurgents and clan militias who do not choose to join as vassals, and claim their rusty Ak-47s and Ford technicals to empower their phalanxes and further the glory and conquests of the Empire.

>>155019881
Sounds like something straight out of HFY subreddit.

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>>155019881
You are either John Ringo, a fat/tg/uy, or both.

>>155020160
That is like a weak and wannabe version of pre-nazimod /tg/.

>>155020160

No, because that subreddit is disappointingly full of easymode faggots. We're always somehow a major galactic power ten minutes after we steal a spaceship or get contacted, we rarely if ever have any serious rivals, we're always amazing and incredible, blah blah blah. It's worse than the human backstory in Mass Effect.

No, I want a hardmode, die at least half the time before turn 100 if you don't get strong enough fast enough, dwarf-fortress-esque bastard of a space 4X. I want humans to be real underdogs desperately trying to catch up and constantly on the ragged edge of survival because we chose to try to conquer shit instead of hiding in fear or becming another nomadic scavenger race of on the fringes. I want a conflict every bit as small and insignificant as an undiscovered civilization arising from the trackless jungle to conquer a tiny African dictatorship so poor that the government can barely afford to give all its soldiers guns to feel like an epic journey, and bad guy aliens you're legit afraid of every time you face them.

>>155020247

Guilty.

Can i just say up-front that the Jenkinsverse is the lamest shit ever? Aside from the fact that it makes no sense. If all humans are invincible supermen it ruins any sense of dramatic tension and makes the other races into little more than background cutouts.

>>154968703

4X set in a post Mythos apocalypse world.

>>154986425

Have you even read the speeches by the Confederate president and vice president about secession? The state outright that it was about Slavery, namely the fact that their entire civilization from this point was going to be built on it and the North was dumb for wanting abolition. Look up the Cornerstone Speech sometime, idiot. Also there is a huge difference between part of your own country rebelling and someone else on an adjacent continent doing something you don't like.

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>>155019881
Despite how retarded it sounds this is actually 10/10.

>>155022082
Not him but see the problem with calling it "rebellion" is that there's actually precedent for deciding you don't like what the enemy is doing and saying you have the right to state your grievances, and, in the case they're not being properly addressed, up and leave - that's known as the declaration of independence. Moreover, the weird thing about the constitution is that it doesn't actually say you can't leave, when the document that triggered its writing, the DoI, actually does. Now okay, that doesn't hold legal water, but there's no section of the constitution saying that leaving constitutes rebellion nor does any part of the constitution say you CAN'T legally leave.

>>154968703
basically my perfect 4x game would be a hybrid of Civ with CK2

something were cities and science develop naturally based on the environment and what they do

independent cities expand to nearby areas developing is own culture,
then comes duchies and monarchies and kingdoms arise
eventually forming nations and so on

Why are lasers so fucking useless?

Started a new game, and my ships cannot even touch the other factions. I'm going back to missiles.

>>155022236
Lorkhan is kind of a fatty isn't he

>>155020774
What's the endgame threat? Precursors? Divine beings? Extradimensional beings who are actually as powerful as being extradimensional would make you and the win condition is surviving well enough that they basically clap and say you're amusing enough to keep around?

>>154977094
the fuck you got that quickly
lucky bastard, did you rush it?

>>155006953
ahhh thanks might try that so
>>154992661
got my asss badly beaten, the dragon not only got some of my children, I also lost them to some other thing,
meanwhile my main group on the other side of the map, got greedy and went to fight a 4 skull (dragon spiders)
got my ass badly beaten, everybody bleeding out, 2 killed
went to set camp and gather the needed silver and granite resources
night falls the spider groups comes for us
god ass beaten down again, wait one more turn and got attacked by the spiders again
my only luck was that I was able to recover a bit of health and the spider group was damaged already
lost another guy,
now I barely have any warriors

>>155007031
>>155007119
> turn 275
> 19 people in party
jeez anon
for fuck sake, how did you get so much people?
you're basically just massacring those three RED skull enemy

btw, one of the thing I dislike about the game is how it eventually just boils down to number of people

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>>155020774
That's the whole point of HFY. HFY stories are all about turning the whole generic aliens vs humans thing around. Aliens are always depicted as scary, powerful monsters who tear people limb for limb at easy, are beyond humanity in technology and humans are always the underdogs.

HFY takes all that and throws it in the trash and makes humans the scariest, strongest motherfuckers in the galaxy.

Maybe in one HFY story Humans are technologically backwards, but we are the monsters that tear the aliens apart at ease, we are walking biological weapons of mass destruction with their earthborn super viruses and bacteria that make the worst alien bacterias and viruses seem like tame seasonal flu or shit like that. They take small things that are normal to us and make them something inconceivably horrifying or unthinkable to aliens.

That's the whole point of HFY and it's fun as shit because the whole "humans are the underdogs who manage to struggle against technologically and physically superior, scary aliens and barely win because muh Human tenacity or crap like that. That underdog shit is overplayed.

I'd love to see a movie where Humans are the horrid monsters Aliens see nightmares about and Humans are the kind of beasts they make horror movies of.

Here's a really good story that I recommend https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/wiki/series/billybob_space_trucker

It's hilarious and there's birdbabes with boobs involved.

>>155023619
idk why but HFY stories always made me cringe

>>155023804
Maybe you've read the shitty ones.

There are some, like Billy-Bob Space Trucker that are fantastically written and then there are some that are pretty fucking terrible.

Here's another good one that's more serious than Billy Bob, but also well written.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/wiki/series/beast

>>155022236

Thanks.

>>155022791

Yes and No. Not even close to the power-level you're talking about, but things from alternate dimensions do cross over a lot, there are beings lesser races consider dvine, and everyone else in the wider galaxy are precursors.

The endgame threat is the full might of said psycho cannibal fanatic monsters being brought against you. The early to mid-game would be fighting, negotiating, trading and eventually conquering or allying with factions and entities that are at least reachable for you in power-level and using them to bootstrap yourself up, using superior numbers and tactics to slaughter pirates and warlords with comparable weapons to the Cruel Masters, and preparing for the Uprising against them. Rare visits from the Galactic Civilizations beyond your region are major events for everyone, and a single ship of gun-runners or better armed pirates from wealthier starlanes can change the game. If you call too much attention to yourself too early, they wipe you out, and you generally have to Sun Tzu like a motherfucker and keep setting them up to fight everyone else, only engaging when you have the advantage, until the endgame or you will fucking die. Smart players who take the risks of infiltrating their slaves and subject-factions can use their spawning cycle against them, omnomming all the other factions when their ability to go on the offensive is minimized by their need to guard their breeding-worlds. This is so that you can go up against them at your strongest, while their larvae haven't even finished consuming the food-slaves turned screaming flesh cocoons from within yet, gimping their ability to use their unworthy juveniles as swarms of living short range missiles/predatory boarding troops like they usually do. You'll still probably lose if you try to go head-to-head in an attrition battle, though, since they will heavily outgun you and their ground troops are the third most vicious you can encounter.

>>155023619

This is entirely aside from the fact that almost any space-faring race would probably be the top of its food chain on its homeworld, and naturally aggressive and expansionist. The thing is they get boring fast, there are rarely very high stakes, and the humans win too easily. Aside from the element of cringe. It just feels narcissistic. I want my HFY to be earned, like that old comic comparing Dwarf Fortress to various game difficulties. It just feels more satisfying. Besides, humanity earning the respect and friendship of extremely dangerous warrior races is my fetish, and you can't have that if humans are demonic supermen compared to everyone else.

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recommend me some games where you can play as elves or can use a substantial amount of elven units. Any strategy game goes, here is what I have so far, not sorted whatsoever and with some titles that I only have second hand information on

>>155023804
agreed actually

>>155025090
Someone make a list of every fnatasy game where you can play as not Romans

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>>155025090
Anon, do you have something you want to tell us?

>>155024939
There are many HFY stories where humans aren't significant on a galactic scale because they're technologically backwards, but those few humans that end up in space among the aliens are to them outlandish brutes or otherwise scary motherfuckers.

Those are the best of them. Besides, it doesn't matter if the other aliens are apex predators tor naturally aggressive in their homeworlds. Earth in these stories is often described as a deathworld, which means it's far deadlier than any world of the known intelligent species and that's what makes Humans so bad ass.

It's ridiculous to think that Humans would always be a lesser species compared to aliens like they're almost always described. HFY isn't narcistic, it just turns the tables and considers how Humans could be the galactic bad ass in ways we might not even think of usually.

It doesn't necessarily even have to be Humans themselves that are bad ass, but Earth itself. Like one HFY story I've read, had aliens who had quarantined Humans entirely because the bacterias and viruses humans carry, made them biological weapons that could eradicate entire ecosystems of alien planets because the Earth's life had evolved in a way that made the microbials scary as fuck.

Then there rare some stories where Humans are kidnapped for anal probing and then the Humans escape and realize that they are physically Predator equivalent bad asses to the aliens.

That's not even inconceivable when you think about it. Maybe we really are the galactic monsters. Maybe our spit and sweat melt aliens or aliens evolved on a low gravity planet and are so brittle that we can break their skulls with one finger.

That's as plausible as the bad ass aliens like Aliens and Predators, who hunt Humans for sport and are physically superior to Humans in every way.

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>>155024939

Found it.

>>155019881

Isn't that the ... whatsitsname ... AI War?

>>154968703
A fantasy 4x with lots of customization. Kinda like a fantasy version of Stellaris, if Stellaris was waaay better and more complete, plus some elements from games like Age of Wonders thrown in.

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>>155023619
>>155023804
>>155024939

>He didn't even post the good HFY

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>>155026069
>that
>good

>>155025594

I feel like this is just a matter of preference. Personally, I like me some older HFY, like the one story where a hive-queen from an insectoid race convinces her fellows not to go to war with the humans because, although they won their first round of wars through superior numbers and asymmetric tactics that the Hives can match, they've since welcomed members of other races into their own Federation and built a terrifying war machine greater than the sum of its parts and backed by their own massive legions. That story is my all-time favorite, and I'll tell you why: Because it leaves room for the aliens to be worthy foes and capable friends, and for a universe where humans are awesome conquerors without playing on easymode. There's space for aliens to have their own niches for being great and heroic, even in combat, without humans automatically being the best at everything. Being from a technologically backwards world doesn't mean as much when you're from an atom-splitting civilization that's breached its atmosphere and you have theoretical or fictional concepts to give words to what you're seeing and allow you to quickly adapt, especially when you're essentially a physical god. I like the middle ground, where there's still challenge and it doesn't become one of those cringey libertarian milscifi books I keep trying to like or just straight up being the Iron Dream.

>>155025782

I forgot about that game. Somewhat different, since the AI War is a more straight-up RTS where I crave empire-building and civilization-steering.

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Not a poster in this general, but have always the casual Civ game every now and again.

So is there any consensus over Civ VI? Is it going to be as shitty as it looks, or is there more than meets the eye?

>>155026936
why does it look shitty to you?

>>155026936
>Is it going to be as shitty as it looks
lol

>>155027053
>>155027068
Visually it looks like a game that belong on the mobile APP store right next to Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds. Figured this would be red flags.

>>155027182
you could say the same about games like tf2 and overwatch.

>>155027182
While the art style may be a bit cartoony, it isn't the visual mess that was beyond earth.

>>155027263
TF2 came out in a time where it wasn't cool and hip to make their game the art style they did. Infact you could say they pioneered it.

Overwatch obviously drew heavy inspiration from TF2 and was destined to follow in it's path.

>>155027419
Yeah I agree, but Beyond Earth is also why I am concerned. Given how they fucked up Beyond Earth and the sudden change in art style, I can't help but feel this is going to be a downward trend rather than just a hiccup.

>>155026492

> it leaves room for the aliens to be worthy foes and capable friends, and for a universe where humans are awesome conquerors without playing on easymode

Yeah, I agree. In a good HFY story Humans and Aliens all have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't like those stories either that show Humans as all-around best at everything always and ever.

There was one story where Humans weren't particularly strong or agile, but Humans won wars because to the aliens, the fact that Humans could stay awake for days without sleep and keep fighting when they had evolved to 4 hour days and 4 hour nights and they couldn't handle the tenacity of Humans. That kind of things that we don't think of as meaningful, but could be otherwordly superpowers to aliens are the best plot devices for HFY.

>>155026936
>Is it going to be as shitty as it looks
if you're only judging the game on the artstyle, than sure, its gonna be shit. but in terms of actual gameplay, it looks to be one of the best civ games. and will probably be better than civ 5+expansions on fucking release. its not made by the civ vanilla team, or the beyond earth team, its made by the team that made the expansions. I havent seen anything from the game thats been a red flag whatsoever outside of the lack of them talking more about modding and multiplayer, but im sure thats on the backlog for when it gets close to release.

>>155027595
I would look into the game mechanics more than the art style. I

It has everything civ v had in some form or another except the world congress.

However it might still have major pitfalls like the easily exploitable system mechanics BE has, although i dont think we will be able to know that until it is out.

Don't preorder it but it might actually be good.

>>155025559
on the internet no one can measure your ears

>>155027053
>>155027068
>>155027847
Why the fuck aren't you guys shitting on everything the devs do? Fuck this shit, im going back to /gsg/ where we have true intellectual discussion.

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>>155028657
Shittiest bait I've seen all day and I went to /int/ for a few hours today

>>155027595
Overwatch is a non-shit game for one reason only.

>>155028740
D.va is an obnoxious cunt that needs to be skull fucked to death.

Pharah is easily best girl.

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>>155028657
>im going back to /gsg/ where we have true intellectual discussion.

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>>155028839
I was indicating their girls in general.
D.Va is better than Pharah though, because D.Va is autistic and autists are qt

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>>155028839
>Pharah
>Not Mercy
shigidigi

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>>155029001
Hana is more of a meme.

>>155028981
You might think autism is cute, I think strong women who literally blow people to shreds for a living is cute.

>>155029001
Mercy is the type of bitch to be an angel in every day life but then tie you to the bed and fuck you with a 9 inch strapon when you get home.

>/civ4xg/ - Overwatch General

>>155028740
>>155028981
>>155029001
>>155029130

>/owg/ spill over

What are you guys doing? These are the only two threads I keep open all day, go back to your thread.

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>>155029175
>I think strong women who literally blow people to shreds for a living is cute
>strong women
>strong
>regularly gets the shit beaten out of her by a twitch gamer
>can't even nuke cities

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>>155029301
I'd rather have Overwatch content than just blatant shitposting.

>>155029473
desu I used that D.Va pic mostly as a reaction image and found it applied to another post too

>>155029408
If D.Va and Pharah were out of their respective suits, Pharah would could break that slant eyed cunt in two.

>>155029556
>If D.Va and Pharah were out of their respective suits, Pharah would could break that slant eyed cunt in two.
That's like saying a gothic berserker could kill an entire tank crew if all of them were naked and given waraxes. Why the fuck would you throw away the advantages you have? Why the fuck would you get out of a powersuit during a '''war'''? Are you stupid? Are you the type to tell people to 'fight you fairly' when they beat you up?

>>155029686
Well you were Pharah as not being strong, which is objectively false my dude.

Of course if you give some teenage video game streamer a giant mech with guns and a nuclear bomb function they are going to be able to do some damage.

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>>155029824
That counts as strong.
And Pharah [isn't] strong and is probably poorer than Hana who probably makes seven digits from talking a bit of smut before she even boots up the game.
Like is she strong compared to a twitch gamer? Sure. Is she actually strong? Fuck no.

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>>154979632
>mfw Incan Norwegian Ski Infantry
>with Altitude training from Kilimanjaro

>>155029985
Seriously the fuck was Norwegian Ski Infantry
It's like a joke of some sort

>>155014936
Global warming? Whazzat do?

>>155030237
Probably grassland -> plains -> desert

>>155029985
that's what, 8 tiles?

Is there anyway to change key bindings in Stellaris? I like to bind something to mouse 4/5, like speed up/down or cycle through planets or something.

>>155030887
yes

>>155030237
>>155030429

Why is the only fucking 4X to do anything interesting with climate mechanics SMAC? It's been nearly 20 years, you'd think Civ V or something could have handled sea level changes.

>>155031290
Do you really think the target audience is willing to deal with actually brutal difficulty that 'realism' with climate mechanics, plague, and religious tension would create? Remember the reviews that said Stellaris and Hoy Foy were the hardest and deepest games they've ever played?

>>155031012
Thanks, that's really all I needed to know.

>>155031491
np

>>155031531
Oh wait, I mean could you tell me how?

>>155031617
yes

>>155010263
Talking out of my ass here, but did someone discover dynamite already?
There's text under it when you build it that says it becomes obsolete once dynamite is discovered.

>>155031993
Just curious since I haven't played Civ V for a while
Does it obselete it entirely or does it still provide tourism and shit?

>>155031290
Civ V's engine is shit for dynamic changes.

>>155032158
I think it just removes the movement penalty, but I don't know.

>>155032158
yes

>>155032553
yes

>>155031617
>>155031491
>>155030887
Like all Paradox games there's no such thing as rebinding hotkeys because Paradox is fucking retarded.

>>155031290
Why would Civ game feature sea level change? Earth's shoreline has barely changed in the past 6000 years not to mention the way Civ's timescale is at the start of the game is 400 year per turn or something to end game's 1 year per turn. How would it cope with that drastic change in scale? Maybe mini ice ages that happened sporadically throughout history but does that sound fun or even thematically appropriate to you?

>>155033613
>does that sound fun
Yes.
>thematically appropriate
It's in the context of global warming.

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>>155034198
I'm not opposed to idea of global warming or nuclear fallout (however exaggerated it may be) fucking up everything towards the end of the game to make things interesting. I just don't see how you can incorporate such drastic change in geography and climate in SMAC to game like Civ which covers 6000 years of history in the span of 500 turn.

>>155022082
The Confederacy became primarily about slavery towards it's end. When South Carolina first succeeded from the Union, a census conducted in the state discovered the overwhelming majority of people supported it for states rights and other reasons. Only 14% of the population supported for slavery reasons.

However when the confederacy tacked on states like Alabama and Mississippi, that severely tipped the interests into Slavery territory because these states heavily relied on agriculture.

There is a reason why South Carolina was the first to succeed, but was also the first to surrender.

>>155034394
>1600

>>155034738
Well it's not like the Earth's geography hasn't changed in that time. The glacial periods in ~400 CE and the volcanic winter in 535 CE actually affected the course of history after all just to use two examples and there's plenty of Roman villas now offshore and a few meters under the med, and a Roman port now about a kilometer away from the med.
I'm not the original poster, I just think it'd be a cool idea.

>>155034738
>500 turns

Only scrubs play anything less than marathon.

>>155034984
>Alabama and Mississippi
So the most uncivilized parts.

>>155035051
Still, with the scale of civ, at least land wise, it would be hard to say this entire tile is underwater now.

not the person youre responding to, and i do think it would be cool to implement better nuclear war mechanics with more reprocuctions and pollution

>>155035242
>not C2C eternity
>he doesn't play a game that takes 3k turns to get 3k BC and has 11k more turns to get to endgame
Kek

>>155035315
Yeah but we could have, say, a rough mini-ice-age cycle like is historical, making some places lose 1 food during the mini-ice ages. We could also have events that are actually a huge fucking deal and not just 'hurricane hit you lmao', we could have globally devastating things happening once or twice a game like a volcanic winter that ticks off, say, 50% of your population above 3.

>>155033613
>Earth's shoreline has barely changed in the past 6000 years
Really?

>>155035051
And how would this work into an actual game though? The only way I can see it happening is if you have the idea of climate change as centerpiece of the game. Something like Civ game entirely set during the migratory period in Europe and fall or Rome, which by the way, is exactly what Jon Shafer(lead developer of vanilla Civ 5)'s 4X game At The Gates is. But I think that game's stuck in Kickstarter hell so there's that.

>>155035540
What is C2C? I see it mentioned every now and then.

>>155035721
Cavemen to cosmos. A long but gud mod. Other gud mod is dune.

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>>155035051
This is the power of a single babylonian city on deity

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>>155035665
Seems that way to me.

>>155035935
And THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS OF NEW LAND isn't "much"? That could at least be a few tiles. And even if it isn't that important simple thigns like nuclear winter from civ iv and global warming could be quite fun. And SMAC had a simple system where wind blew only from one direction. You have to be retarded to not understand it.

>>155035935
South America's tip moved like three tiles.

In Stellaris, Spaceport modules/buildings like Orillium Plant say "Ship Modifier - Explosive Weapon Damage +10%"

Does this mean any ships built at this station have +10% explosive damage, or is it something like ships within a certain range of this space port, or something else?

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>>155035051
>CE

>>155035873
>Civ IV mod

Fuck that. Civ IV gets fucking unbearably slow with large mods when you get to industrial age and beyond if you play with gigantic maps.

I'm still a little salty about it because I used to play Rise of Mankind - A New Dawn with the slowest possible setting on a gigantic map and I played all the way to the early modern age and then the turns got so fucking slow it took like 10-15 minutes to load every turn.

Had to ditch a really good game because of that.

>>155036218
Believe its any ships constructed/upgraded there have the benefit, though Im not 100% on the upgrading part

>>155036218
Yes