/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

So for a BoomHammer + Rosmarinus build, should I go

50STR / 40ARC
or
40STR / 50ARC

>>154174876
More Arc would be better if you intend to trick as much as possible/actually use Rosy

>>154174918
What if I go 45/45 ?

>>154174996
Personally I go for making a build be able to use as much as possible, so I may not give the best advice for a weapon-specific one. But really so long as you have both stats above 40 you won't have anything to worry about. If you don't have a dedicated STR build make it 50/40 and use the character as that as well. The difference will be negligible when you're rocking high gems.

About to start a Skill build run. What weapons should I look into? I hear the Threaded Cane is great all the way to the mid-game and can still carry late-game.

Do you reckon Bloodborne will be given a patch for PS4pro? 1080p with 48 fps would be sweet, with textures improved in some areas.

Granny Maria is an old hag! She is so ugly!

>>154175530
Threaded Cane can be your main if you want it to be.

Blades of Mercy are GOAT for wrecking bosses if you don't mind missing gestures/HoH, Saif and Church Pick are both high tier and can be gotten after Amelia/Ludwig respectively with some running around.

>first time in research hall

Jesus Christ, this place is horrifying.

>>154175530
Church Pick and Blade of Mercy are great weapons later in game. Saw Spear is best early game for bosses and large enemies, Threaded Cane is great for most enemies early game but tougher against large ones and bosses.

>>154175897
There are two ladders that take you up to Djura. Climb the first one and instead of climbing the send go left and you'll be taken into rafters of the church. There's a rope with an urn attached, hit that.

>>154175897
Maybe oil urns and cocktails and fire buffed weapons?

>>154176009
Instead of climbing the second go right*

Who else alcoholic hunting here?

how long have their been beasts in yharnam? there's people in suits of heavy armor in the chalice dungeons, implying that yharnam wasn't anywhere near as advanced when they first started exploring pthumeria

Finna fight Logarius, anyone wanna help out? I'm waiting outside, the pass is oatmeal

>>154176450
I always assumed the knights in the chalice dungeon were part of the original Pthumerian kingdom rather than explorers

As for the beasts of modern day Yharnam, both Willem and Djura were around for the first outbreaks and they haven't succumb to age yet so within one or two generations seems likely, but we can only speculate

>>154176560
Can be there in five

>>154175674
It wasn't shown off in the premiere, even though stuff like Infamous and Shadow of Mordor were. If it was going to get a patch they probably would have shown it off, they know full well how beloved it is, and more importantly how many PC players still want it. A 4K version would entice at least a few new customers.

From software is probably just too busy, since they have a heap of projects going on. And graphical fidelity isn't valued nearly as much in Japan as in the west.

How much sequence breaking can I do with Chalice Dungeons? I just got my first Pthumeru and I want to squeeze everything I possibly can out of this.

I don't care if it's 1% gems or +0 Runes that, incidentally, I can't even use yet. If I can get it in these Chalices before I can get in the main game, I want to.

>>154176739
Ring-a-ding-ding

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>when someone asks for help and you run to their aid but don't get summoned and feel like you were stood up on a blind date

It's enough to make a man feel.

>>154177349
No sequence breaking. Chalice Dungeons are sort of their own thing entirely. You can do them all as soon as you get the chalices, or you can ignore them completely.

If you go too far down you'll get over-levelled/upgraded very quickly, though.

>>154177384
Not getting anything, you sure the pass is right?

Adeline keeps trying to give me her blood and won't progress to giving me her key. Do I have to take the blood?

I don't want to get rid of Arianna's blood...it's all I have left of her.

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>fighting orphan for the first time
>whenever the fucker gets close to death starts spamming lightning storms or the overhead drop that one-hit kills

>>154177673
Yeah dude, someone else came. Sorry, thanks though

>>154177614
You can get gems better than Mensis-tier Immidetly after Bloodstarved Beast.

Lower Ptumuru layer 2, the Fatty guarding the Lever (named Lumpy by someone here who farmed him 100 times) drops cursed 20.6% Physical gems, or if you are really lucky 23% Thrust/Blunt.

>>154178452
That's not really sequence breaking so much as being OP as fuck, which can be done outside of CDs also

>>154177717
I think you have to give her more fluid

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
FUCK LAURENCE
HE'S SUCH FUCKING HORSESHIT

FUCK


I made the dreadful mistake of doing The Old Hunters in NG++ and he's absolutely fucking bullshit
Retarded ass healthpool
Can easily 2 shot you
3 of his moves do fucking 85% of my god damn health
fuck him
This isn't fun at all

>>154176670
on the other hand Willem is basically a Cordyceps Zombie by the time we meet him, and Djura is a former Hunter of The Dream, so who knows how that might have effected his aging(not to mention what effects Blood and/or Insight can have on one's aging), personally I assume that Byrgenwerth exploring the Chalice Dungeons happened at least 50-60 years ago, possibly even 70-100 years ago

>>154177148
on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if something like Bloodborne might take longer to get an upscaling than those you mentioned

and do they really have all that much going on, haven't heard a peep about them doing jack besides the DS3 DLC

Which gems should I farm for a 50/25 STR/SKL build, triangles or waning?

>>154178882
I know, but I think the anon knew you couldn't actually sequence break, but was instead asking how to get things early you arnt supposed to have.

You can get a bunch of tier 1 poison/frenzy runes/etc.. runes from Hintertomb Root Chalice's when usually there's only a very select few runes you can have before reaching Forest/Frontier. Those are kind of pointless, but still interesting. You can also get hilariously overpowered gems from Lumpy the Watcher and Hintertomb Madmen if you need triangles. If you are really dedicated you can have FRC Isz stuff before Shadow's of Yharnam, but Depth 3 is as far as you can go pre Amelia.

>>154182540
Physical weapons always want Triangle and Radials. Wanings have no good source of physical % up and also no flat Phys as a secondary.

At 50 STR, 25 SKL a heavy Abysall and two 27.2% Physicals (or 32.6% Blunt/Thrust if applicable) would still be the best option, but you'd have to check the math on each weapon.

Beast Claw with Beast Rune at 50/25 is optimial with two Heavy Abysalls and one 27.2%. But only if both Abysalls have +15 flat and even then the charge R2 and one other attack do less damage than two 27.2%s. But every other weapon has higher base damage and modifiers, so only one Heavy Abysall is worth it.

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things are slow today

>>154185002
It's EU daytime my man it's gonna be slow now for a few hours.

>>154183268
How about beastclaws with 25 str and 25 skl?

>>154188000
Also, if anyone want to help me slay laurence the first vicar i'd appreciate it hehe.

pass gg123
if someone replies ill be ringing outside the fog wall

>>154182438
hang in there, once you do it you'll feel great anon

Ahh...

>Ludwig's Holy Blade
>balanced

Did Gehrman fuck Maria? Or the Doll?

>>154188212
Still there? Ringing at the gate

>Rakuyo
>balanced

>>154188000
Two Tempering Abysalls from Headless Bloodletting Beast and one 27.2% triangle.

>Saws
>balanced

>>154191046
> Headless Bloodletting Beast

Whoops REGULAR (with head) BLB, my bad.

>Bloodborne
>balanced

2016 and I'm still waiting for the PC release. I know all the bosses, the lore, the endings, the NPCs, the questlines but I'm still gonna buy this game on day 1 of PC release.

>>15419165
DESU the multiplayer would be even worse than it is currently. CEing Gems in/Modifying them to make them absurd would be the norm.

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Anyone willing to help with defiled amy?
Password is "amygdala"

>>154191659
I actually just spent 300 dollary donts on a ps4 and bloodborne goty edition.

Its literally the only game I want on a ps4. Dont even regret it

>>154192449
On my way

>>154192449
>>154192479
Still there? I'm not finding anything.

>>154193389
Still ringing, nothing is picking up

>>154193552
Try changing the pw

>>154193942
New password is: 123

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>nightmare frontier

>>154194052
Welp, it's not working. Try with someone else. Good luck, anon

>>154194389
This game can be real shitty sometimes when it comes to summoning

Anyone looking for help with something?

>>154197713
I need help getting my life together

Will someone help me?

>>154197713
Need help losing my virginity senpai.

>>154200372
With what?

>>154200481
Byrgenwerth? Pass: burger

>>154200634
First playthrough?

>>154200798
Nope, NG+ just wanna play with someone

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To guy who posted this thread or two ago; where did you get this high quality image of the trailer? Do you have more shots? I really need more high res pictures of those trailers.

Just need help with Rom right now

>>154177442
>someone asks for help in thread
>boot up PS4, login, load up as quick as possible
>'where you ringing'
>get location and pass
>go to location and ring
>ringing for ten minutes, no summon
>update thread
>'thanks for the help!'

y-you too

>>154200634
still ringing?

>>154189479
YOU WERE AT MY KOSM ALL ALONG

MY TRUE KOSM

MY GUIDING KOSM

[KOSM NOISES]

>>154201356
Still need a hand famalamicus?

>>154200634
got him?

Rom is DEAD dudes

>>154202168
Where you going next? Still need some co-op?

Hey, I'm about to run Upper Cathedral Ward. Pass is freesia. I'd really love to run the whole thing with some company. So I'll be ringing at the lamp.

>>154175846
It's true, Saif and Church Pick are ridiculous.

>>154202305
Yeah where do you think should I go?

>farming Isz watchers
>need 27.2% bolt gem
>no bolt gem drops at all
>about 3 fire, 10 arcane and 30+ tempering

This is getting stupid now.

>>154202547
You just beat Rom, so you'll end up in Yahar'gul now, I can run through with you, we'll grab you the Upper Cathedral Ward key, it's in a semi-secret location

Have you been to Hemwick and Cainhurst?

>>154202581
Why isn't there a Bloodborne mule?

>>154202760
No not yet..Ok let's do the Yahar'gul

>>154203009
What's the pass my guy?

>>154203080
Lets keep it burger

>>154203140
I'll be at the Yahar'gul lamp in just a sec!

>>154202814
It could harm the re-playability of the game.
If you could get everything at the beginning of the game.

Thou it could be cool if you could invite someone to your Hunter's Dream and have a trading-table for gems.
They could balance it out by being able to trade gems as long as they have the same rarity.

Oh Christ that was embarrassing, sorry

>>154203140
i'll join as well

>>154203680
It would be pretty nice to get gems for armor. Like resistance increases or even regen ones.

JESUS

>>154202527
damn no takers huh
well alright

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Full vid as promised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KVH6l9Q6I

>>154191659
Bloodborne isn't going to get a PC release. It's built for the PS4 and a vital point of its marketing is the fact that it is a PS4 exclusive. To give it a PC release would literally defeat the point.

Ringing at chapel dudes

>>154204479
You want to go back and grab the Upper Cathedral key? Door's open and we can go fast

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>>154191659
Now that's just sad

How much insight will we get when we witness the Bloodborne PC release?

Needing help with defiled keeper of the old cunts. Ringing at lamp, pw : bbg

>>154204921
omw

Thanks Guys

Someone needs help? In bloodborne robots

>>154205214
Did you pass Yahar'gul?

Yess

>>154205131
Thanks anon. Got the hot dog solo just after that but I will do amy later, the fight lasted for too fucking long

Can I invade someone who set a password without it?

>>154203995
fucking awesome

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>its a piss-easy boss that has an easy to evade but hard to predict one-shotting aoe attack, killing you on your first try episode
Stupid game.

>>154209945
>learning pattern is hard

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So like, Bloodborne was the first FROM game I ever played, and I loved it so much. I struggled through the opening Yharnam area like whoa, must have fought the Cleric Beast at least twenty times and was practically shaking when I had to get through the area with the bonfire and all the huntsmen.

But four different playthroughs later it's now one of my favorite games.

So I got DaS 3 because I heard it's pretty much Bloodborne with shields. As in, built from Bloodborne's engine and whatnot.

Holy shit, I snored through the entire game. Didn't block anything, ever. BB had already trained me with the "don't get hit and you'll be fine" mentality. The Nameless King gave me a bit of trouble but nothing compared to many of Bloodborne's bosses that left me tearing out my hair.

And the environments, so much of it was just castle, castle, ruined castle, etc. It all seemed so mind-numbingly boring compared to the sprawling streets of Yharnam.

I don't know why I'm tl;dr'ing. I guess I miss the splendor of Bloodborne, pulling a fit after Amelia pushed my shit in over and over again, or whooping like a maniac after finally taking down the Orphan.

Hold me, /bbg/

>>154210373
It isnt, which is my the point, you dim-wit.

>>154209016
Passwords don't affect invasions

>>154210401
The game ruins everything else you will ever play, it's fucking amazing

>>154210629
So what are you complaining about anon ?

>>154210869
I feel like Bloodborne was the game they really wanted to make, like love went into every aspect. Every weapon having its own style, almost every boss being so freaking cool and unique. Every area is more challenging than the next, but doable and rewarding.

To be honest, I haven't beaten DaS 3. I've done absolutely everything except the Kiln, and I'm jaded enough that I don't mind sitting there. Because I'm waiting for the DLC, and if it's anything like Old Hunters, it's going to require you to play through the game a little to get to it.

I just can't imagine playing through that game again.

>>154211281
The one reborn bossfight. The boss does next to no damage with his usual attacks, just to kill me with one aoe attack once he reaches half his health. Its a dumb mechanic that makes me redo a bossfight i rightfully should have won. It was bullshit ehn queelag did it, it is bullshit when one reborn does it.

>>154211813
Yeah, as soon as the pisswater begins to rise you need to bail to the stairs asap.

>>154211813
>a bossfight i rightfully should have won

It's obviously not the case since you died

level 72, mensis nighmare, ps4, if someone wants to invade me.

>>154212595
my bad, im in mergos area, not mensis nightmare.

>>154211574
Bloodborne was such a huge change for them, new territory, and in the end I think it was too far outside Miyazaki's comfort zone, I just wish he knew how well he did, maybe he'd get a bit more confident and try new stuff like this again.

I've completed DaS3 twice and I have no desire to go back, Feels vapid and empty, not the sum of its parts.

>>154211574
>I've done absolutely everything except the Kiln
Spoilers, Kiln isn't an area. It's cool-looking, empty pathway and then the final boss.

>>154213824
I figured, which is why I teleported back to the Firelink Shrine and sat down at the bonfire with plans to twiddle my thumbs until October.

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>mfw getting back to DaS after BB
It feels like I'm playing it for the first time again. I've lost most of my skill, everything just feels so alien about it, especially controls and combat

>>154214021
First time I played BB, the healing item being Triangle fucking screwed with my head.

Now, whenever I go back and play Souls, I get confused whenever pressing Triangle doesn't make me consume estus.

Is bb pvp actually fun? where is the hotspot?

>>154212982
>Feels vapid and empty, not the sum of its parts.
This exactly.

I feel absolutely no desire to replay DaS3. Bloodborne is so rich compared to it, and there are amazing things to be found every playthrough. I feel like I can play BB all my life and never get tired of its unique weapons and fast-paced combat.

I'm still getting DaS3 DLC. Hopefully, they'll release some interesting weapons or fun, new locations. Painted World is great and all, but I'd like another area.

>>154214202
Pressing triangle trying to heal and L1 trying to two-hand/one-hand a weapon is one of the most noticeable problems I have right now, aside from pretty much completely forgetting the parry timings

I loved this game to bits when it came out, but felt little reason to keep playing it since, at the time, build variety was lacking, PvP was subpar (both in setup and in fights), and, as with any horror environment, the effect is virtually lost after the first time.

Loving the DLC though, and the new arcane treatment, as well as all the DLC weapons.
But is PvP any better?

>>154202581
I thought the best Bolt Gems come from Abhorrent Beast?

>>154204863
We would all be sucked into the Nightmare instead of Ascending the Hunt because of all the whiny PC tards

All the decent PC players just lurk

>>154214560
>>154214971
PvP is pretty fun, much more variety with the stuff the DLC brought and the Arcane buff. Best places for PvP is Mensis (right after Micolash) and Frontier. We still have fight clubs every Saturday.

>>154214560
Every saturday someone posts the chalice glyph. I got in for the first time last week and it was fucking fun.
END yourself is no joke

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>>154216679

Apparently PS4 Pro won't allow multiplayer to use the improved specs, so no patch upgrade for Bloodborne, apparently.

Why even bother getting it?

>>154218591
Because we can play God of War Re-Re-Remasteried

>>154218591
We could still see some Graphical Improvements at the least

>>154218591
Even bo3 is getting a 4k patch for the pro, sony doesn't give a flying fuck about bloodborne

>>154218591
What if two PS4Pro players are together?

>>154220349
I'm honestly not completely clear on the details, I need to find a source that goes into detail, but multiplayer games, or components, don't benefit from the new specs apparently.

Am I supposed to care about the Pro if I don't and more than likely will never have the best 4K TV out there?

>>154220632
If you want glassy smooth 1080p 60fps yeah

>>154220837
But not every game will have that.

>>154220912
they were talking about 3 modes : 4K 30fps, 1080p 60fps and another one I don't remember

>>154221117
1080p with added Graphics e.g better lighting systems.

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This is truly the peak of fromsoft weapon design I will always feel the inner rush of pressing r1 l1 r1 l1 with this beautiful thing.

I mean do you ever get that great feeling of just putting 50 in strength and 50 in skill to just jam that heavy abyssal right into that slot to make this thing output so much damage. I truly felt love for the first time when I did that it really made me find a reason to keep moving forward to keep ahold of the nightmare to keep destroying you bad players.

Signed
Nyarlko-

>>154222336
Well memed, have a (You).

>>154222336
>r1 l1 r1 l1
>not r1 l1 l1 r1 r1

>>154222629
nunuwugs ft5 me now i'll show you my saw spear combos

>>154222336
Saw spear was my first weapon crush but the cleaver had me crawling back with those fluid R2 combos as saw waifu superiority

>>154223236
>Unironicly using fucking saws

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>>154224026
Saw cleaver is the only weapon in the game that has separate R2's, charge R2's, and charge R2 followups depending on how you combo them with no animation breaks or resets
If you don't think that's some tight ass shit then you are a grade-A goober

>>154224456
Why would you need to do any of that when you can just r1 l1 l1 r1 r1 l1 ?

>>154224872
What's the point of memeing on kids if you can't look hella sicknasty while doing it?

>>154224949
I mean it's the same reason why people run around as flipping havelmoms. Muh maximum efficiency

>>154224456
Never realized this, but yeah that's tight

anyone wanna help me in nightmare of mensis?

posting to bloodbell

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Anyone down for an impromptu.
I'll be in Pthumeru

>>154225164
You still waiting, anon?

>>154225521
Ringing

>>154226289
We got 2 people in here already so you may catch one of us

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>>154174616
I need help asap with Blood-Starved Beast in depth 4 Ailing Loran!

zmyp

>>154226257
ye I went to cainhurst but everything is pushing my shit in and I dont know where to go or what to do

>>154226649
What's the pass

>>154226759
Where do you want me to ring, dude?

>>154226649
Where are you ringing at?

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>>154226781
I dont know
I think its open
I have never done this before so

>>154226943
Layer two, before the boss

>>154227063
Press start, go to network, and then put in a password.

Just make it bbg for simplicity's sake

Also, you mean directly at the fog wall?

>>154227172
Done it now
And yes.

>>154227297
Alright, I'm ringing my Small Resonant Bell now.

>>154226649
>Literally forward+left: the boss
>Fought it once before
>Still need help

>>154227392
Thanks man

>>154227769
Any time, man

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Just defeated Orphan of Kos (or some say, Kosm) on NG+2, never fought him before. Fuck i feel good. Is the dlc over tho?

>>154229809
Hey, well done

If you've already collected everything from the DLC, you're just about done.

Did you make sure to go to Brador's cell? And did you get the Milkweed Rune from the woman in the Research Hall?

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>>154227824
Need help now
Im on the last boss now on layer 3

Same dungeon, same password

>>154230058
On my way, anon

>>154230058
((forgot to mention; Im at the fog gate)

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Just realized that you can skip the Scourge Beasts in Central Yharnam

>>154226819
thanks kind anon I don't know how to build or farm to level yet still my first playthrough.

Should I go to cainhurst? Keep climbing mergos loft?

????????

>>154230058
Strange, I'm not getting you. Gonna try again.

How does quick-search co-op/adversial work for CDs? Do I need to have those dungeons opened myself?

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>>154230001
I just 100%d the trophies for the dlc, got all the runes, side quests. Guess I am done. I'm one trophy away from a platinum and shocking it's actually the neutral ending for beating Gerhman without fighting Moonpresence question, do chalice dungeons carry over into Ng+?

>>154230657
>do chalice dungeons carry over into Ng+?

Yes

>>154230190
Yeah, I'm not getting you.

Just to clarify:
Password: bbg
And you're ringing at the fog wall.

>>154230828
Fucking SWEET, tho before I run into ng+3 I want to have a fist fight in the huntersdream with a buddy of mine. TFW your /bbg/ buddy rarely shows up online

>>154230891
Apparently I cant ring it in the stairs
Im trying on the platform before the stairs down to the boss

And yes.

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>>154230891
Thanks again, lad
Thats it for me tonight. Good hunting

What do bosses like BSB and Amy that drop chalices in NG drop when you beat them in NG+?

>>154232078
Iirc they drop it again and you have it in double, not sure tho it's been some time since my ng+ run

>>154232078
Nothing apart from blood echoes I think

Anyone for NG+ vicar amelia? Password bbg

>>154232919
Yeah, I am. Be there in a sec; where you ringing?

>>154232919
On my way friend. Where do you wanna meet

>>154233770
Fog gate

>>154233876
Imma ringing

>There's a lamp in Annalise's room
4th playthrough of this game and I only just realized this.

I'm fucking blind.

>>154233876
You're hanging out near the door. Not right on it, right?

Which trick weapons do you only use half of? (Not counting Chikage/bloodletter)

E.g. I only use the tricked form of the threaded cane, not that there's really anything wrong with the base cane it's just rare that I feel there's anything I can do with it that I can't do with say the saw spear.

Feel free to tell me why I should btw, part of the goal here is to learn to use entire weapons

>>154234562
We're done sorry. Was waiting but someone invaded so we went in. Thanks to the other guy!

>>154234729
TFW cucked. Want help with anything else? I've got every path unlocked and ready to go.

>>154234687
Rifle spear tricked mode

Untricked it's the boringest weapon in the game, tricked it's only like, 3rd most boring

>>154234687
I find very little reason to use the mace form of the Whirligig Saw. It's got nice speed and everything, and I love maces, but there's little reason to ever use it because blunt damage sucks and the tricked mode is godlike.

>>154234729
Yo, you can see my messages right?
If so, no worries.

anyone wanna help me fight moon presence??

>>154235281
For me, because I'm on an ARC build with a Fire Whirligig, the mace form is still useful for its speed.

>>154235595
Ringing

>>154235918
were you M'lady? they joined and promptly left.

Does Djura have the best dialogue?

>>154236352
Name's Iris. I tried to join but nothing happened

>>154236373
His outfit bothers me. Conceptually I like it, when I see it on other players I like it, but whenever I put it on any of my characters it looks terrible.

It's 100% the eyepatch for everything too, I love it but it comes off looking just terrible at the same time.

>>154236989
still a ringin
level 66 so 33-99 should be good

What is the relationship between Great Ones and the dream states? Ebrietas is in the real world, during the night of the hunt, but the Mother Brain was found in the nightmare and is made of dead messengers, who are native to the dream. Mergo is the Queen's child, but the Queen is in Pthumerian ruins (or the nightmare, or both?).

If Micolash is dead in the real world, how is he in the nightmare? When you kill him, where does he wake up, if anywhere?

Also who the fuck could chain up the brain if it causes so much frenzy

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>search "The Doll" on google to find out what people call her, either The Doll or just Doll
>find a youtube video titled "what happens when you kill the doll"
>think to myself what kind of piece of shit would hurt Doll-chan, I've never even laid a finger on her
>except that one time I accidentally almost killed her with the Evelyn because I didn't take my fingers off the bumpers like I always do around her
but seriously what kind of piece of shit intentionally harms Doll-chan

>>154237067
I hate the shitty collar/cape thing, and I hate how the front of his hat sits so low over the eyes. It's not the eyepatch, it's the hat.

>>154237554
The dreams aren't actual dreams, more like different dimensions. Ebrietas can be in one dimension, while the Brain of Mensis can be in another.

Micolash's consciousness is in the dream. When you kill him and he wakes up, his consciousness has no body to go back to because it's dead, so he dies permanently.

The Brain of Mensis created the Nightmare of Mensis, and was somehow found by the Mensis scholars, iirc.

>>154237554
The first thing you need to do is stop thinking of it as an actual dream or nightmare. These are merely terms. The Nightmare (which encompasses the Hunter's Dream, Hunter's Nightmare, Frontier, Mensis, Lecture Hall) is an alien dimension, another physical realm filled with alien horror. The Great Ones come from this place.

I believe Ebby-chan was found IN the Pthumerian ruins (chalice dungeons exist in the 'waking world'), the Pthumerians back in the day got her there somehow. Queen Yharnam is probably the only living Pthumerian we meet, and that's debatable since she's kind of ghostly. It's honestly not that clear.

Micolash was basically bi-locating, being in two places at once, and when he and the other Mensis Memelords got Kentucky fried by making contact with Mergo, he ended up existing only in the Nightmare. He has nowhere to sort of reform or go back to. I think he was sort of dreaming as we do, but that got fucked up.

And the brain is just a guard, Mensis doesn't want someone coming in and ruining the ritual, so hook up the frenzy monster to deter people.

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>>154237661
She's great help testing damage numbers if you're in NG+ cycles.

>>154238774
DELET

I refuse to even watch that

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>>154238862
You should anyway, the main point of it isn't about Doll bullying, it's that I want to know what the fuck happened, same as this.

>>154238957
Looks like you raised your defacto speed somehow

Any particular trick(s) to the Orphan of Kos, guys? Or do I just fucking need to git gud?

>>154239259
Just learn the timing for his attacks.

He's easy to parry, if you'd like to try that.

>>154239397
I probably should try that, yeah. He has more reach than he looks like and he's pretty fast. Sick boss.

>>154237661
The kind that recognizes her as an inhuman monstrosity.

>>154239259
I just beat him an hour ago. Parry, bait, and backstabbing. His second form DESPITE POPULAR BELIEF is easier because he likes long moves that are very punishable

>>154239919
I've thought a few of these bosses have actually gotten easier later in the fight. Logarius and Ludwig for example, that's just off the top of my head. Haven't gotten Orphan to the next phase yet. It's been pretty ugly over here so far but god damn it I've made it this far and I'll figure him out too.

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where to cop 32.6% Blunt/ 36.3%Striking gems

>>154241404
Merciless Watchers, the droprate is terrible though. Prepare for days of farming to get a perfect full set.

>>154238249
>>154238710
Right, I used the terms dream and nightmare leniently, in that they're different 'planes of consciousness', with the Brain being native to the nightmare.

What I don't understand is the pathways between those planes.
How did the Mensis scholars discover and then get into the nightmare with the ritual and their cages? Did the ritual petrify their living bodies and transport their minds to the nightmare, where the Mensis scholars and Gul survivors died (and somehow create the One Reborn in the process?).

How the fuck did Mergo and the Queen get to the Nightmare? For that matter, why does the Hunter only have to interact with Micolash's cage? I assume the Nightmare is spreading to the 'real world', and Rom is masking that.

>>154242574
How you actually travel between the waking world and the Nightmare is pretty much a mystery. We can variously go there via Hunter's Dream tombstone, Micolash's cage or by Amygdala. It's hard to even fathom a guess as to the mode of transport and really the best I can say is eldritch bullshit beyond human comprehension. And sometimes it's better to leave some stuff up to that because the game's influences call for it and is a driving force behind some of the central concepts. Trying to piece together minute details for everything is, in this genre, ultimately futile.
The idea of the Nightmare seems to be based off of Lovecraft's Dreamlands stories, in those stories, you can travel to the Dreamlands via sleeping and you exist there and here, but other creatures like the Ghouls can just go underground to enter this realm, and in fact the main character of a story comes close to the surface the Ghouls use to travel, implying you can use any access point. Could apply to this game, too, I think.

Mensis is part of the Healing Church. It was Byrgenwerth that discovered all of this stuff way back in the day. They found the Pthumerians and learned what that race had once done and took off from where they left. The Healing Church was founded after a schism with Byrgenwerth.

It's generally accepted that Mensis were collectively fried via contact with Mergo, so they've all been mummies for a while it seems. The One Reborn, as far as we know, it made up of the bodies of the people melted down in Yahar'gul. Notice all those bodies clambering up the walls, they were all 'melted down in blood' and reformed into the One Reborn. Meanwhile Micolash is still existing in some way in the Nightmare of Mensis where they have Mergo.

Mergo is an 'infant' Great One, however the hell Great Ones even work. It's the child being used to beckon the Moon Presence, in my opinion. Queen Yharnam is a goddamn mystery, why she shows up in the Moonside Lake and Mensis I really don't know.

>>154178452
>>154182978
Thanks anon. That other dude was spitting hairs and pissing me off so I ducked out. I appreciate the responses.

>>154244396
Furthermore, this is my baseless assumption, I think Mergo was Queen Yharnam's baby, she birthed an infant Great One maybe for whatever the Pthumerians were doing way back then, maybe to beckon the Moon Presence, but as we know their civilization no longer exists. I think she's showing up, crying, because she doesn't want her baby being used to beckon this nameless moon horror that's the cause of so much destruction. She bows and vanishes if you exit Wet Nurse's bossroom, because you ended the Mensis plan to bring this monster down into the waking world.

But then you have to wonder why you fight her in the Labyrinths. She's a mystery to me.

Is there a limit to how many Blood Rocks you can get in a game? I think I recall reading that it was 1 for the main game plus 1 for each Chalice area.

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>>154246089
There is one in the DLC, and you can buy them after Mergo for 60 insight.

>>154246089
There's one in the base game, one in the DLC, and three in chalice dungeons. But the total number is 700 like any other material, it's just that the rest you've have to either NG+ a whole fucking lot, or RNG your way there, or grind out insight to buy them from the insight bath.

You'll never really need more than the four or five you're guaranteed though.

So honestly, how many of you had to ring in help for the Orphan? I'm having a moment of weakness. I haven't done that yet but I'm tempted.

>>154247854
I went into the DLC on NG+ when I first got it, and I solo'd that screaming fuck. Laurence, though, I had to summon for him, hell I actually subbed to PS+ just to beat him.

>>154246089
There's one in Mensis, one in Fishing Hamlet, which means 2 per NG cycle. There's 3 in chests in Depth 5 root Chalice dungeons, which cannot be farmed since once you have a rock no more can appear in that Chalice type.

After beating Wetnurse they are buyable for 60 insight, and any Depth 5 Chalice boss has a chance (15% would be my estimate, but I don't actually know) to drop a Rock.

That's 7 before NG+ pretty much garunteed if you do all the Chalice's on a character. If you are farming Abysall gems (especially cooping with a Savescummer) you will end up drowning in Rocks. I have 11 unused ones on my main character because I run out of Chunks before I can +10 a new weapon. You also earn loads of insight which lets you eventually buy one more.

>>154247993
Laurence is real strong too but I got him with Valtr. I totally fought that one like a bitch tbqh.

>>154185002
>Dark Souls 3
What the fuck happened. I mean some parts like Cathedral and Grand Archives were complex and full of shortcuts but did they fire the Bloodborne team or something?

>Great Isz Chalice
>that one room with the brainsucker, the ayylmao, and the two werewolves
Jesus fuck

>>154249032
GOT MOTHERFUCKING SNIPED THROUGH A PILLAR

>>154249032
If I remember correctly your prize is a useless Bloodgem. Same with the reward for double spider-summoner room in Ailing Loran being ritual blood 4. There is simply no point in even going in there.

>>154249405
Christ, what a shame. I thought there would be something useful in there seeing as it's a massive pain in the ass to get through.

>>154248661
It was the same team, albeit without Sony's money behind it, but that's still no excuse. I think Miyazaki admitted he didn't like the linearity. I personally like the individual level design of DS3 more than either 1 or 2, and not to mention the fact that the highly-lauded Demons' Souls has literally zero inter-connectivity between the worlds.

>>154249032
The sarcophagus has a shitty arc gem in it.

>>154239259
Learn to parry and stay the fuck away from his mom the moment he starts his lightning shit.

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>>154216679
>willingly doing pvp with under 400 HP

>>154249568
It's not the same team. Japan studio wasn't there and alot of the staff are from the DaS2 team alongside the DaS2 director and the Steel Battalion Heavy Armor Director. There's your C-Team

>>154252152
Huh, didn't actually know that.

>Heavy Armor
Jesus, I wanted to forget this.
>tfw your xbox doesn't work anymore so you can't play the original Steel Battalions.

Maybe Fromsoft will make another that they're done with Souls for now.

>>154252347
Shit, mixed myself up here. Fromsoft didn't do Steel Battalion, they're Armored Core.

>>154248026
>since once you have a rock no more can appear in that Chalice type
Ok that's what I thought.

>>154246252
>you can buy them after Mergo
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me.

>>154249568
I didn't have a PS3 so I only got around to Demons Souls a few months ago. I can imagine it was amazing when it first came out, but I think at some point all the games after it have done what it did, but better. It also made me realise the first Dark Souls is the odd one out, since Firelink isn't a "proper" hub, warping is only late game, NPCs come and go and there's no mysterious leveling up waifu.

I think Dark Souls 3 had both the best and worst individual levels of the Souls games; Cathedral of the Deep is my favourite while I hate Demon Catacombs and Farron Keep even more than Lost Izalith.

>>154238249
>>154238710
>>154242574
>>154244396
way I see it, while the Dream/Nightmare is it's own dimension, it's also one that's influenced by the Waking World in a way that's connected with actual Dreaming

>>154244621
most people seem to agree with Mergo being Queen Yharnam's child(for one thing this explains the Wet Nurse's appearance, it's clearly based off of the Shadows that used to guard Queen Yharnam, similarly the Orphan of Kos we fight isn't the actual Orphan, but a guardian based off of Gehrman to protect the actual Orphan, the Sweet Child of Kos)

as for fighting Queen Yharnam, well she is an undead spirit, generally those don't like having their resting places disturbed, although in the end putting her down is a good thing, as it allows you to reunite her with her child

>>154254167
>but a guardian based off of Gehrman

I will never understand the Gehrman connection. To me, this huge, lanky, pale humanoid is far more reminiscent of a Pthumerian than anything.

Orphan being a guardian, sure, but the only connection to Gehrman is he's basically the reason for the curse and the Hunter's Nightmare existing since he's the reason hunters existed to perpetrate the massacre. He cries and begs in his sleep for release due to main game stuff, and he rests easier after the Sweet Child is released because the curse he's basically responsible for is lifted.

What was the big secret of the Hunter's Nightmare?

Are Amygdala's Great Ones or Kin?

>>154255432
Great Ones. Kin gems do nothing to Amy.

>>154255579
Aren't Great Ones supposed to be unique beings?

Are all of the Amygdala's the same creature?

>>154255895
I wouldn't know, I don't think anyone has a solid answer for that. Some say Amygdala is a race/species, clones, separate but connected or whatever. All I know is Great Ones aren't always Kin, some maybe like Ebrietas and Rom. Could be that ascended Great Ones are considered Kin.

>>154256318
I need more eyes.

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>>154256560
We all do anon.

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>>154255263
The big secret was the Hamlet raid. Byrgenwerth slaughtered an entire village of innocents due to their lust for knowledge. Presumably, Byrgenwerth was already in the labyrinths, but the raid is what properly started everything. The incident was solid, undeniable confirmation of the eldritch Truth, which would only spur them on further. The Phantasm Shell suggests it's possible they encountered the Truth before, but even then the Hamlet showed them clearly the existence of higher beings and even their effect on the world around them.

And since such a slaughter began basically everything else, it's sensible that everyone would wish to hide it, because the guilt for it spreads to every faction in Yharnam because they all stemmed from Byrgenwerth.

>>154255263
kos, or some say kosm...

>fighting Maria for the first time
>can't decide what my character should wear

literally the hardest part of thematic bossfights is finding something that fits.

Is there anything else in the works for Bloodborne or is Sony done?

>>154258820
>i want to believe

I doubt we will see anything else any time soon, if ever.

>>154254879
well for one thing the placenta weapon the Orphan uses is pretty obviously based on Gehrman's scythe, another thing is that they have the same cry sound

>>154257606
What, that's it? Bleh.
Byrgenwerth/Church/whatever is crazy and evil, who'd have fucking thought.

>>154259437
And Eileen is the Wet Nurse, right.

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>>154259734
Old Hunters is a really confusing DLC
It fleshes out story that's already semi-fleshed out and pushes it to the extreme
It's debatable the entire time if the place is even real or a dream and fucks with you the entire time with that same question
It's known that the church experimented on people trying to contact a higher power but Old Hunters "shows" you how they tried
It shows you the "real" Doll and she's the fucking boss of the church even though her and Gehrman split up due to their differences
It tells us that the group at Byrgenwerth were probably the ones who killed Kos or wounded her til she died
Then again, this is just speculation but the crazy fishman in the beginning of the Fishing Hamlet goes on and on about Byrgernwerth and then being fiends or whatever he says
Then again, he's crazy so who knows who to believe


I don't know. Old Hunters is insane and I love every part of it

My favorite is the church assassin who just keeps coming at you nonstop until you're dead. It's scary as fuck lore-wise and hearing that bell go off gives a chill every time

>>154261304
>It tells us that Byrgenwerth killed Kos

But the game outright tells you that Kos' corpse washed up on shore.

>>154258787
could go for Executioner set since Maria is from Cainhurst

>>154259883
nope as I said, Wet Nurse is based off of the Shadows of Yharnam

>>154261447
Is that an item that I didn't read?

>>154261304
Kos just washed up dead on the shore, though.
I thought for awhile that Maria and Gehrman killed Kos, and that and seeing the Orphan after is what made the former go all "what have I done!?" but no, parasites killed Kos. This ancient super-being being the ken of man just got worms and died. That's it.
Also I'm positive Maria isn't or wasn't a head honcho of the church. That's silly.

The hamlet massacre being the big secret really makes me wish the player wasn't mute. Could maybe have circumvented that whole fight.

>>154261606
Kos Parasite.
>When the carcass of Kos washed up on the coast, its insides were teeming with tiny parasites, unlike any found in humans.

What's the cutoff point for doing that area the sackmen take you to, again? Amelia?

>>154263121
It gets all fucked up after Rom, if that's what you mean. Plenty of time.

>>154262125
Son of a bitch
I saw the Arcane stat requirement and left it alone like everything else
I keep meaning to make an Arcane character but I don't really feel like leveling up again

>>154263186
Ok, cool. I want to go grab the Best Cutter, but don't want to miss any NPCs.

Where do I get Maria's weapon?

>>154265482
Fishing Hamlet. Don't worry, it's super easy ;)

>>154265586
I actually literally just picked it up.

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>>154216004
> END yourself is no joke

Yup, last week was my first Fight Club as well (won't make this week sadly), and he wheel'd me to death before I could do anything. But I'm currently leveling up the most cancerous build ever to Plauge a bbg Fight Club.

I present to you 'The Alt-VIT'

with 99 vitality and 3 HP runes he has 2574 HP, and a flat-arc wheel to use in conjunction with Old Hunters Bone to pummel filthy 50 VIT losers into oblivion, and build a wall on the Yharnam/Cainhurst border and make the Vilebloods pay for it! Level 117 for maximum cancer, and wearing capeless hunter Garb with Yamunara's hat for the trench coat + fedora look.

can someone hook a nigga up and post that webm of a dude using the monocular to look inside the frontier squids flaps and show the messengers?

I have 20 skill and 50 arc and want to use the Rakuyo anyway because it looks cool.

So I need to find a lost version, yes? What gems to stack?

>>154266458
Depends if you want Fire, Bolt or Arcane damage.

No matter which you will want a Cold Abysall, maybe 2. And then either an Abhorrent Beast Bolt Abysall with +36 flat secondary, Hotdog Fire Abyssal with +15 flat secondary or Eribritas Arcane Abysall with +15 Flat secondary. If you are only using 1 Cold Abyssal, then put an fire/bolt Watcher gem in the triangle slot. Not sure about Arc.

Ok so I opened both side doors, killed a Wandering Nightmare, got the Yar'hargul Set, got Tonitrus, and killed Paarl. That's it for Hypogeon Gaol for now, right?

>>154266247
>Leveling up the most cancerous build ever to plague a bbg Fight Club
Dunno about that. FC's have had a lot of cancerous builds in its time and wheeldash spamming with extra health padding may not make the top of the list

>>154266998
There's a few loot guys in there, I think. I wanna say there's something down by the door with the three madman's knowledge in front of it, but I forget.
Did save the lady in the basement?

>>154267421
>Did save the lady in the basement?
Ah, yes. Forgot to mention.

I thought I remembered there being two Wandering Nightmares, but I only found one this time. I'm listening to music so if I didn't see him I wouldn't have heard him.

>>154266892
I figure for PvP arcane is probably the best bet. In any case, I won't have much visceral damage, right?

I'll go with two Cold Abysalls, sounds like the strongest setup, with Arc Abysall, so normal version.

I went with lost HLMS and am now thinking that may not actually be the most effective.

>>154267541
Bolt is usually best because Abhorrent Beasts gems have a 2x effect on the secondary, so you get more damage than any other element. Resistances from clothing don't really mean too much, it's 1% per 10 points listed on the armour. Plus you can have +15 Bolt on your triangle cold Abysall, outside of Isz (and Brainsuckers) there is no Arc secondary. So your damage suffers again.

Before deciding on one or two cold Abysalls you should do the math.

({Base damage + [base damage * 0.85 * Rakuyo arc scaling] } * % gem1 * %gem2 ) + Flat damage.

Then look at ATK modifiers and see if an elemental Abysall with flat secondary is better or worse than 27% on moves that you care about.

>>154268784
Dude can you give me some pointers on an Arc-specc'd HMLS?

>>154268784
I'm not familiar enough with the Rakuyo's moveset to decide on attack modifiers just yet.

As for the math, where scaling is considered: if I slot for fire or bolt, do I still use the arc scaling? Which is D but I don't know the exact number.

At least for now I just upgraded all three versions to +6, then tried out which combination of gems on which version gave me most damage and normal with arcane won out by a longshot (but again this is just with what gems I have, none of which are cold abysall).

So I'm assuming for a Rifle Spear and Bowblade build I'd want 50 SKL and 40 BLT?

Anybody need co-op? Anybody farming?

>>154261304
>and she's the fucking boss of the church
You wiggity-wot mate? When was that stated?

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>>154261304
>It shows you the "real" Doll and she's the fucking boss of the church even though her and Gehrman split up due to their differences

>>154269936
Insane headcannon is best headcannon

>>154269831
>>154269936
I didn't mean church, sorry, I meant the Research Hall and if she's not the boss of it, she's clearly in charge of it because every patient calls out to her and she's sitting at the top of the tower

>>154269557
Fire and Bolt damage both scale off arcane.

I did some autism for you and deduced that the best elemental Rakuyo is Lost varient with 1 Radial Cold Abyssal, one waning Abhorrent Beast Abyssal (with 36 flat bolt secondary) and one Triangle Cold Abyssal with +15 Bolt secndary. Rakuyo's highest attack multiplier is 1.7 on charged r2 and lowest is 0.9 on rolling r1. The bolt setup comes out significantly better on every single move.

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Lost Raykuo

1x Cold Abysall (radial)
1x Abhorrent Beast Bolt Abysall (waning)
1x Watcher 27% Bolt (triangle)

[164 + (164 * 0.85 * 1.2)] * 1.239 * 1.272 + 36 = 522 + 36 flat bolt

Damage on Charged R2 = (1.7 * 522) + 36 = 923
Damage on rolling R1 = (0.9 * 522) + 36 = 505

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Lost Rakyuo

1x Cold Abyssal (radial)
1x Abhorrent Beast Bolt Abyssal (waning)
1 x Cold Abyssal (triangle)

[164 + (164 * 0.85 * 1.85)] * 1.239 + 51 = 522 + 51 Flat bolt

Damage on Charged R2 = (522 * 1.7) + 51 = 938
Damage on Rolling R1 = (522 * 0.9) + 51 = 520

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Regular Rakyuo

2x Cold Abyssal (radial)
1x Eribirtas Arcane Abysall (triangle)

[164 + (164 * 0.85 * 1.85)] * 1.248 + 15 = 526 + 15 flat Arcane

Damage on Charged R2 = (526 * 1.7) + 15 = 909
Damage on Rolling r1 = (526 * 0.9) + 15 = 488

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Regular Rakyuo

2x Cold Abyssal (radial)
1x 27% Watcher Arcane

[164 + (164 * 0.85 * 1.85)] * 1.272 = 536

Damage on Charged R2 = 536 * 1.7 = 911
Damage on Rolling R1 = 536 * 0.9 = 482

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Regular Rakyuo

2x Cold Abyssal (radial)
1x Brainsucker flat arcane gem

[164 + (164 * 0.85 * 1.85)] * 1.098 + 72 = 463 + 72 flat arcane

Damage on Charged R2 = (463 * 1.7) + 72 = 857
Damage on Rolling R1 = (463 * 0.7) + 72 = 488

>>154270025
It's likely they were doping the patients with her blood, but I never got the feeling that she was personally involved or even interested in the endeavor. In fact, doesn't she cast away Rakuyo specifically because she's against what the Church is doing?

Where the hell is it stated that she and Gehrman were together?

>>154270215
Not that other guy but I'd thought it would be implied since Gehrman made an nigh perfect recreation of what she looked like.

>>154270303
I never noticed that she and the Dolls look at all similar. Not convinced they do.

>>154270197
For anyone who wants to work stuff out for themselves, feed a man a fish he eats for a day etc...

here is where the infomation comes from.

Every scaling number for every weapon, and on another tab every attack modifer for every weapon and damage type.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1doP2HShMmJcHZFTNSZ3yVFxbUu4U1aO6yHIk9-wQ1Wo/edit#gid=811371374


>>154269474
Whats your build? By Arc specced do you mean mostly arcane but still using full moveset, or you are just using it as a Moonbeams machine?

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>after killing Laurence, Doll gives dialogue saying that Gehrman is sleeping easy tonight and that something has eased his suffering
Jesus christ this is the game that just keeps fucking giving
So many little things
Fuck I want another expansion or Bloodborne 2 or something
>Another year for nioh
Suicide is the only option

>>154270389
Is there no calculator to input stats, weapon and gems to work it out automatically?

>>154270419
>after killing Laurence, Doll gives dialogue saying that Gehrman is sleeping easy tonight and that something has eased his suffering

Actually that dialogue is after killing orphan, not Laurence.

And I also realised I spelt Rakuyo wrong in every single one of my calculations. Whoops.

>>154270197
Where do you get the numerical Scaling value?

And what's the deal with the random 0.85?

>>154270389
>Whats your build? By Arc specced do you mean mostly arcane but still using full moveset, or you are just using it as a Moonbeams machine?
I want to forget the R2 poke even exists. I just want to use the transformed mode.

I've already done just a tiny bit of Flat Arc farming on an Uncanny and it made a big difference, but I can see you're far more familiar with the mechanics than I am. I'm definitely gonna check out that document though.
Relevant stats are 16/12/55

Can someone please give me a hand with loran camera beast? I suck at this boss so much, more than any other in the game.
level 98, pass: 123

>>154270197
Wow, thanks for running the numbers, anon. The first shitter I kill will be dedicated to you.

Gonna savescum for some bolt gems soon, thanks again man.

>>154270470
Someone one time made a spreadsheet in Google Docs where you could put in values, but I could never figure out how to use it. The maths is pretty simple, so I just type it out and use a calculator.

>>154270573
Not that anon, but if you're going to savescum abhorrent beast for bolt gems, I would really like to join. I could use some better ones

>>154270573
>The first shitter I kill
>Says the guy using a Rakuyo

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>>154270502
Oh, I thought I talked to her after Orphan but I guess not.
That makes more sense than Laurence to be honest.
Too many nightmares to keep track off
poor Gehrman

>>154270560
SRRCing now

>>154270664
Can I get a /bbg/ approved weapon tier list?
What's for shitters and what's for champs
I know Ludwig used to be the ultimate shitter weapon but that it was fixed a while ago
I've got a strong feeling Simon's Bowblade is retarded good in pvp
Shit does more damage than my fucking +10 Evelyn

>>154270721
Thank you kind hunter

>>154270750
I would say Bloodletter and Chikage are the only really, like "come on man", weapons. Byut everyone I've ever seen mention Rakuyo says they're OP as fuck.

>>154270515
Scaling values come from this google doc, same as attack modifiers.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1doP2HShMmJcHZFTNSZ3yVFxbUu4U1aO6yHIk9-wQ1Wo/edit#gid=811371374

The 0.85 is the scaling saturation. Basically the more points you put into a stat the more saturated it becomes. At 99 it is 100% saturation because obviously you cannot put in any more points. However it is not a linear graph, softcaps exist meaning after certain points you get less per point invested.

The 0.85 is because at 50 in a stat you have 85% saturation, this is the reason people very rarely go over 50, since another 49 levels will only get you an additonal 15% saturation. For reference at 25 in a stat you have 50% saturation.

The exact way it works is this:

At 0 in a stat you obviously have 0.00 saturation, once you add points it begins to increase.
1 - 10 in a stat: 0.005 is added to your saturation per stat point gained, maxing at 0.05 total at 10.

11 - 25: 0.03 per point, maxing at 0.50 total at 25.

26 - 50: 0.014 per point, maxing at 0.85 total at 50.

51 - 99: 0.00306~ per point, maxing at 1.00 total at 99.

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Exceptions are Hunter tools which have different scaling rules, and Endurance, which also has different scaling rules.

>>154270845
>Bloodletter and Chikage
>/vg/ hates BLT builds

What else could you use? Bow blade? I'm sure people would get pissy with that.

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Anyone know if Cold Abyssals are worth farming for with 40 Arcane?

>>154270763
I got a Rating-20 Bolt Abyssal, heh. Neat.

Was fun.

>>154270880
>The 0.85 is the scaling saturation
Ah, gotcha.

>>154271034
18-rating garbage gem lol but I'm just happy to have it over with, I hate that boss so much.

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>>154270975
>BLT build
>not using Bowblade
Baka
Best fucking weapon in the game

>>154270975
Bloodletter just hits too damn hard lMO and Chikage phantom hits a lot. I've been killed more times by that Iai phantom hit than anything else.

>>154271070
It's the floor. If he scores a knockdown, and you fall off the edge of one of those flagstones, your character has to go through the entire falling and wake-up animation, meaning you'll almost certainly take another hit.

>>154271071
I do use bow blade, I would just assume people would get pissed off with it more than anything else, since you just spam at range.

>>154270750
That's not the easiest question to answer. Mainly because for a lot of weapons, its the spamming of single move or two that put them in shitter territory. Take BoM for example. Dashr1 spam is aids but the moment someone uses the full moveset of the weapon, its fine.

>>154271023
Yes, yes they are. Create a dungeon and let me join you, I want cold abyssals!

>>154270515
>I just want to use the transformed mode.

You are probably going to want Nourishing gems.

FRC Amy in Loran/Isz drops 21.5% gems, then for the radial slot you either need to farm Rom, or if you are lazy just use Gargoyles.

>>154271238
>You are probably going to want Nourishing gems.
No. I've been using Nourishing the entire time and that's why I was confinced that the HMLS was a piece of shit. At 16/12/55 the R2 pokes did more damage than anything else and it sucked ass in PvE.

After dropping the few 65 Flats I did and slapping those in, the transformed mode already hits everything much harder despite a nominal loss in Attack, and the modifiers on the beams means the damage is going to be even more insane.


I'm never geming that weapon with Nourishings again.

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>>154271214
Eh, I would but I haven't even gotten Pthumeru yet. Just asking for a new character I'm starting, planning to stay at 66 with 40/40 Vit/Arc. Sorry anon.

Mensis
Moon Presence
Kos
Mergo
Truth
Odeon
these are all the great ones that we "know" about
Fuck
I want to know more but my insight is slipping away just thinking about it

>>154271419
>Truth
?
Also, ebreitas? Mensis brain?

welp, found the spider room in ailing loran. it would probably have given me nightmares if I hadn't been instantly killed *through the fucking door* before I could open it

unless they stashed a lost bowblade in there, they can damn well rot behind that door forever. I can't even begin to figure out how I'd maneuver around them in that hallway.

>>154271320
>Base str/skl for HMS
>Wondering why Nourishings are doing fuck all

>>154271238
Farming gargoyles isn't lazy. Its saving the effort of getting the extra 0.3 on your gem since farming Rom is pretty much not worth it at all.

>>154271534
Rush to the room and run around to group up the spiders. Then rush to the furthest Bell Maiden and basically hit-and-run back and forth with the 2 Bell Maidens. There'll be 3-4 Spiders left after they die so take them out.

Probably not worth the trouble but it's an alright challenge.

>>154270880
So I'm trying to make sense of that doc but math isn't really my thing.

It looks like the Moonlight has a 1.0 in Arc scaling.

So, like, what does that mean for gems that increase scaling? Would/ could they be better than flat damage or damage %? Still waiting for your input if you're willing to fish for a man, lol.

>>154266391
anyone? it would be greatly appreciated

>>154271670
>I don't like the Moonlight because the untricked mode is better than the tricked mode, even with base physical stats
>"durrr just level up your physical stats. no wonder you think it sucks"

I think you said the same fucking thing the other day, and it was retarded then too.

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>>154185002
>>154248661
Well for fucking starters, dont compare areas in the game with 3 DLCs and one with none.
For second, a lot of the areas in the image are laughably small and probably shouldn't even deserve to be considered full a areas - Undead Purgatory is basically a boss arena, both Belfries are just small PvP arenas, Dark Chasm is pathetically small, so are giant memories but there's 3 of them I guess, the dragon memory is a whole lot of fuckin nothing. Also the cathedral of blue included as an area? Really? It's literally just a boss+ NPC.
That being said the DaS II world still felt bigger and more complex, just another thing the A-Team ignored completely instead of learning from B-team - world design.
Also I just realized I'm in /bbg/ not /dsg/ but at this point it would be a waste to delete my little rant.

Anybody feel like some jolly co-op through cainhurst? I'm fairly overpowered, so it won't be challenging, but if you want a casual romp through it with me, password is: vile
Lvl 100

>>154271858
>Being this wrong
I didn't say shit the other day but not realising why gems specialising in arcane are doing more for you than gems that boost everything is pretty autistic.

>>154272182
It's not my fault "use Nourishings and poke people" is the only thing anyone ever says about gemming the HMLS. I've been here three times now trying to ask about gemming it for Arc and people still just say use Nourishings.

>>154272265
Tbf most people who use HMS have either str or skl at 25, which is where the nourishing boost shows its worth and which is why most suggest them. Since you've focused in arcane though, flat arc gems are the way to go.
More or less an easier farm too

>>154253369
BB>DeS>DaS>DaS3>DaS2

>>154272463
DaS > BB > DeS = DaS3 > DaS2
My opinion > your opinion

>message says "beware of fall"
>thanks for letting me know, hunter
>go for sneaky visceral on shaman
>miss and fall into an orgy of spears and screaming fishdogs

I deserved this.