Final Fantasy General CCLXXIX - /ffg/

1st for Dr. Mog is olev

First for justice monster five!

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Tifa thread! Tifa in the OP!!!

How to improve Kingsglaive:
>make everyone who was butthurt against Regis/Lucis want power instead of just petty revenge against someone who tangently brought them misery; by wanting the power of the ring and/or control of whatever military Insomnia has, they can strike back against Nifelheim instead of slowly losing a war, thus a coup would be better than killing a king and nothing else

>Hint at why Noctis is special and Luna's oracle powers. This will likely be a twist or revelation for the main game, but leaving out a major detail hurts the flick.

>better camera work in some of the fights to be more coherent and easier to follow, as well as less clutter during the airship battle and city battle

There, I just made the movie better with minimal changes.

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As promised, although I was beaten to making the OP

Threadly reminder that Vayne Solidor did nothing wrong.

Threadly reminder that Vayne Solidor did everything wrong.

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>2 filtered posts

I'm sure he did plenty wrong.

>>154153191
Infrequent reminder that over half a year later no one has been able to name a single thing he's done wrong.

>>154153242
>Acknowledging filtered posts
Lad, I get the sentiment and all, but I feel like you're missing the point.

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reminder

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Yeah fuck you buddy

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>>154153534
>non CM team
>losing

>>154153013
What about actually showing what happened to Nyx instead of panning out when he started to crumble?

I'm half expecting him to do a Jecht and appear in XV as some kind of pseudo-villain boss.

>>154153683
I'm still a bab pls no bully

>>154153747

Nyx is literally Ifrit.

>>154153014
what a fine lass

>>154153878
ummmm spoilers? Game isn't even fucking out yet

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>>154153878
You mean this? Thought it was a Propagator at first glance.

>>154154017

It's speculation.

>>154154118
You mean """""""""""""""""""speculation""""""""""""""""""". Ifrit's more likely either Ravus because of the burnt arm or just Ifrit.

>>154154017
I think he meant Nyx is literally in flames just like Ifrit

>>154154049
ah fuck, didnt notice it said xiv. I'm an idiot.

>>154154483
>xiv
no wonder it looks like dog shit

>>154154017
>>154154118
>>154154264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP8lC4cbYs

>>154154871
Nyx will appear, but not as a character but as a sword or as a "former" holder of the ring. He was bestowed power, so it could only mean he got "accepted", even tho he wasn't a king.
I guess through that, we'll finally know his history.

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1 event away from best girl

I'm cursed to always get either SBs for Support characters, or Shared SBs whenever I do 11 pulls and don't go 0/11, this wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't always for a different character each time

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>>154156030
Hips, HIPS.

>>154156030
...Fencer?

>>154156030
I want to pull on her BSB Banner so bad but I know better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH3uZawVUNU

>>154156030

>one-piece swimsuit
>pauldron cape

who the fuck designed this outfit

Has there been any new information on the FFXI mobile they briefly mentioned a while back?

>have locke
>have terra
>have celes
>have leo

Any reason to pull for the daily? I dont think the next batch of characters in the next banner are too amazing.

>>154157952
I guess if you feel like a shot at an off banner character for half off - the rate increase will make it much less likely, but it's your lapis. I'd save it.

>>154157952
Well none. What kind of question is this?

>>154157530
me

>pull two divine guardians
>new mote dungeon is some thing shovnig tons of magic attacks up your dickhole

my time has come and so have i

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>boss attacks your healer
>no big deal they're about to go i'll just use curaja real quick
>boss slaps your healer again and kills it

STAAAAAAAAHP

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Is there anything like this for FF? I tried 1 (the GBA version to be precise) but it wasn't really doing it for me.

So, do I really need the mallet or whatever the 30k mogcake weapon is? Is such a rare weapon type. Its pretty much only useful for Cloud of Darkness

>try out Dahaka
>well shit that was easy, maybe I can beat Ifrit now too
Nope.

>>154159975
Not quite desu, Celes, WoL, Firion, and Garland can also make use of it.

And before you say Enhancer and Murasame are enough, some people can have a combination of WoL, Garland, and Chiz and need all kinds of good weapon they can get.Like me

>>154159920
>triple deluxe and mech kirby

are those games good? i like me some kirby

>>154156030
I want her BSB but I also want Beatrix's BSB which wont come out til fest. I'm torn

>>154160646
>torn between a fest banner and an event banner
Seems pretty clear which one to aim for to me.

>>154159975
>>154160195

and Krile since she can't use rods.

>>154160714
I only want one thing from each banner. Actually if Beatrix's phase 4 is unchanged I already have 2 weapons on that banner.

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>>154160551
TD is GOAT. Robobot is isnt as good but still a fucking great game.

Get both if you have the chance

>>154160905
I'd say the opposite, TD is great but Robobot is GOAT

>>154160902
>Actually if Beatrix's phase 4 is unchanged
You know this IS a fest we're talking about, right?

>>154160976
I do, but we're actually getting collabs now. RK is a new game with an unknown future. maybe they'll add Celes's bsb to her banner,but it's supposed to be an excalibur banner

>>154161152
>but it's supposed to be an excalibur banner
It's not, though, It's just a Knight banner. Hell, Beatrix and Celes' BSBs are both Lightbringers.

>>154159586
>still runs a healer

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Lets keep the Trepe Train going! full speed!

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>>154162393
this chart is literal shit. from top to bottom. i know where it and you belong.

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>>154159920
Here's mine. Some disagree and put FFX lower down the chart.

>>154162671
see >>154162653

>>154162489
It's kind of too bad that the memory that stands out the most about her is getting blown out by Squall when she asks him out. I can't really remember her really doing anything besides machine gunning the boss way at the start.

>>154162671
Is FFX or another 3-D FF really considered the best starting point now? Not really asking because of my opinion on the quality of the game, but more because I don't know if it's harder to get people interested when starting with a 2-D JRPG.

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>>154162653
FFX outsold FFVII. Deal with it.

>>154162838
she Co-Leads the garden when Squall takes over.

but in honesty the curse of many FF games is supporting casts with very little limelight/spotlight/importance. especially after SNES era. FFVII may be the worst with no less than 3 characters who progress the story in zero ways. with one of them being a character you must get (Red XIII) and the other two becoming bigger staples to the series than say... barret and Cid. (yuffie gets all teh cameos, and Vincent got his own spin-off and scene in AC)

not to mention Barret himself really loses significance after leaving Midgar, and only serves as a detour

>>154163150
FFIV is the first 2D one on the list, and it is a very good starting point. It's straightforward with a great, character-driven story without all of the extra management seen in 5 and 6.

>>154163150
FFX and FFVII are the two best-selling, most-oft talked about Final Fantasy games. Except maybe 13, but that one came out during the internet age.

>>154163293
whats this bollox that IV is more popular than VI? like... you actually said that.

Id argue in recent years, V become more popular than IV now, thanks to its perfected Job System.

IV really just decent storytelling

>>154163191
>but in honesty the curse of many FF games is supporting casts with very little limelight/spotlight/importance.

A hundred times this. The reason VI is such a fan favorite is because a good chunk of the characters actually got fleshed out development.

>>154163293
I like IV the most myself, but part of that is nostalgia. I've heard tons of complaints about it's linearity over the years, especially from people who like VI the most. I guess it might look kind of normal nowadays, so I don't know if it would hook people into the series nowadays.

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>>154163653
VI has by far the best presentation of possibly any SNES games. FFIV is better as an earlier experience, though.

>>154163649
Yup, same reason why XIII is a fan favorite.

>>154163761
IV was a super popular big time deal... when we only had 3 2d ff games. I(I) IV(II) and VI(III).

when the remakes and collection versions came out, only VI remaine dits mantle competing with the 3d games we got blowing opinions out of spectrum. and only V rose to great heights rapidly once we actually got a decent version to play.

II and III people didnt before and never will give 2 shits about. IV just kinda lied dormant.

>>154164002
To be fair, III is a shorter, clunkier V and II is...well...II...

>Mobius event drops two days after FFV event

Wish the FFV event also gave us Freelancer Lenna and Galuf too along with Beastmaster Krile, but I suppose this is perfect enough for now.

>>154164260
often times... a FF game come sout and is refered to as "The Black Sheep"

III is the black sheep cause nobody remembers it.

VIII the black sheep cause no MP and different systems!

IX the Black sheep cause it clashes with its era!

XII is the black sheep cause its a mainstream tactics game with faux MMO gameplay!

XIII is the black sheep cause its a fucking weird hallway simulator with a nice coat of paint.

Dont even kid yourself. fucking FFII is and always will be the fucking Black Sheep,

>>154164260
II and III will be forever known as the "Taking up character slots in Dissidia and crossover games" games.

the obligated history that requires to be glanced.

>>154164618

How can one in good conscience even call the game (FFII) that basically invented the series as it exists and is known, a black sheep? Let's call it objectively godawful for the sake of the argument. FF still resembles FFII more than FFI by a notable margin.

>>154162671
Dude how can you say X is better for someone who's never played a JRPG when it has a weird progression system even for FF and focuses more on storytelling than any of its predecessors? It was designed intentionally to take the JRPG trend to the next level, it's not a good starter game at all.

Interrupting proper ff chat for a reminder that BE maintenance starts in a few hours time so spend all your nrg and start crafting those damn cakes before then.

>>154165187
>>154165316
You're both really fucking stupid you know that

>>154165316

idk man, all my friends who are 'casually' into FF always claim X is their favorite so I would say it's a good starter game.

>>154165613
That's not a good metric; someone's bound to appreciate it more if they've played the other games since it takes the series in a different (and arguably much higher scale) direction. It's not good for someone starting out, because it differs from most JRPGs (heck, most FF titles) in both its progression system and storyline focus.

>>154165705
>appreciate it more if theyve played the other games since it takes the series in a different direction
How new are you?

>>154165187
Do you even understand how FFII works? it plays more like the retarded cousin of an Elder Scrolls game than any other FF game to date. the fuck you talking about FF resembling it more and it inventing the series?

>>154165995
Unless he's mistaking it for IV

>>154166091
dear god i hope not. we are waaaaaay beyond refering to the series in that gutter language. thats a quick way to negate your entire argument

Anyone got general deck building advice for mobius? From what I understood, I should have a heal card and one card of each of my job's usable elements with one of those being am AoE. And they should be of the same job type.

>>154165316
>>154165705
When I started Final Fantasy, I found the ATB system a bit overwhelming. FFX takes turns by checking who goes next and moves to their turn without getting assaulted while I peruse the menus.

You get tutorials to help with battle, elements, classes, and progression. The Sphere grid is also constantly peppering you with little rewards to keep you engaged in progression.

>>154166552
you're severely underestimating the might of fandom within Old School and Hardcore RPGers.

the concept of help and simplicity, and linearness strike the wrong way.

Is type-0 HD worth playing if I've played it on the psp?

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>>154165995

I do. It invented characters and emotional depth thereof, a linear plot progression, where you actually got directions. As in it was coordinated. It had FF monsters instead of DnD Monster Manual expys. It was a story about the characters (actually war primarily). It had customization. It embraced change for the sake of change and was innovative. It was the birth of drama for the series. If I was a fight versus EVIL, then II was a human conflict (Although the Emperor is thoroughly evil still and more like a force of nature with his magic.).

I would even claim that the customization was a greater influence to the Job System than the Base Classes they tried to return slightly towards with it in III, because II was too open and by proxy samey for the characters.

Why are sacred Crystals so fking asinine with drop rates in BE?

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>>154166663
Which is why the chart has the "Have you played a JRPG before" caveat, directing you towards the less linear, handholdy FFVII.

>>154153013
It's brought up several times that betraying one's trust is worse than never having it. Niflheim does its own thing; Lucis, on the other hand, reneged on its promises.
>Hint at why Noctis is special and Luna's oracle powers.
The Oracle negotiates with gods and interprets their will. There's nothing really unknown about her powers. As for Noctis, it looks like his full abilities are spoiler city, unfortunately.

>>154166484
My basic layout is a single target and area of one element, one card of another element, and a support. I always see Hades/Yuna/Cait Sith in rental, so I don't bother including a heal generally.

You can do all 3 elements, but it's nice to have two of the same element to generate more seeds of a specific type. As long as you have two elements you'll be able to break any enemy.

>>154166853
Yeah the drop rate really sucks ass. You could purchase them from the mog king though. Saves you the pain of blanking on multiple awakening vortex runs.

>>154167132
Enough for one character to jump one rank. It's still BS.

>>154155494
>tfw he'll appear as a slave to the God Kings
Considering their shenanigans in KG and the evil music theme, I expect them to be something like Fal'Cie/Occuria except with extra human hubris.

>>154166790
I didn't play the PSP one so it's hard to compare personally, but I read before that they messed up the HD models a little bit. You might want to look up a video and compare it.

>>154166858
I guess it's sort of hard to imagine someone being an experienced JRPG player and also being totally new to FF games. It's usually the thing you would try early, then decide if you liked the style or not before you moved on to other games. People lured in by more recent Persona games maybe?

>>154167165
Heh, too bad then. Unlike you, I don't have enough good characters to awaken. Fuck.

>>154163191
Squall's second in command is Xu, actually. Quistis assists him in the field.

>>154166858
so... you want to introduce people into JRPGs... with a game thats gonna contrast greatly with the others....

im not even gonna argue if whether or not X is a good or great or bad or any kind of game. Being a good/great/ even the best game of its franchise or genre doesnt exactly mean its the best to start with.

If its the first god damn JRPG they ever playing, it should be something that delivers core elements in an accessible way.

X is a terrible game to start with. its not a first impression title.

>>154166790
Yes. It looks pretty good for a PSP port and it's arguably the best FF spin-off after Tactics.

>>154167374
More jrpgs play like X then they do 5 6 7 8 and 9.

>>154166552
Getting stronger by just fighting monsters and getting EXP is far simpler of a system than getting stronger by spending points you get by leveling up and using orbs that enemies drop to unlock this grid that gives you stats. And parts of the grid need to be unlocked with different orbs, and if you do the wrong things with the grid you can mess your characters up.

The ATB thing is valid and would probably be less stressful for a new player, but FFX still does plenty of things a new player won't like:

-Heavy focus on cutscenes and storytelling, perhaps more than any FF past or future
-Slow to start, with the first few hours being a revolving door of locations and characters that won't be relevant for hours
-Lack of combat in the beginning (for the first two hours or so of the game, there's a single digit number of fights and they're all tutorialized)
-Extremely linear, the player has no room to explore
-Somewhat odd difficulty curve, some bosses and areas will screw up a new player (Seymour, I'm looking at you)

Compare to say, FFVII, which does have the ATB system but also:

-Jumps right into the action, introducing the player to both combat and customization early
-Has cutscenes and parts of heavy storytelling, but they're uncommon - a reward rather than the norm
-Lets the player explore, especially once you leave Midgar
-Is quite easy, to the point where you can get through most of the game just by using basic attacks. This cannot be stressed enough, anyone can bumble through VII easily.

In short, FFX was designed to be a departure from the previous titles in the same way that VII and VI were, just to a much larger degree. It's not a very good introduction for these reasons, especially for someone who's never played a JRPG before.

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>>154167374
>Delivers core elements in an accessible way.
>In a game that uses both character class and heavy customization.

FFX has elements, summons, chocobos, black mages, tonberries, malboros, jump, blue magic, status ailments, and some of the best bosses in FF history, wrapped in a relaxed pace, engaging progression, and fun banter.

What game did you have in mind

>>154167508
are we not talking about JRPG Newbies and the FF games experience. ya Clod.

>>154167516
>lack of combat in the beginning
Literally the fuck are you talking about? X's beginning is funneling you from fight to fight with very few breaks in between

>>154167585
Thats why i was saying X would be an easier game to introduce newbies to you dense motherfucker, it actually plays like most other jrpgs like Persona and the classic games

>>154167029
Should I stick to cards of the same Job type? I'm having trouble figuring out what to buy for red mage

>>154167603
>look man, i just wanna save, lemme get to this save poi...
>screen shatters
>FUCK

>>154167603
Not really. At the start you fight the sinspawn and the big sinspawn. Then you get sucked into that ruined temple and fight the sahaugin and the big fish thing. Then you fight the dogs with Rikku. Then you do the underwater salvage with her and fight some more fish.

Each fight can have minutes of cutscene and dialog between it. Going through all those fights I just described takes more than an hour of in game time. It's slow.

>>154167508
They do? Except for XIII, I don't recall any other JRPG that took the whole "cinematic gaming" thing as far as FFX did.

>>154167760
Yeah, job type determines if you get the magic bonus or not, which is especially key for mages.

>>154167516
>Slow to start, Lack of Combat at the beginning.
>FFVII Jumps right into the action.
Uh...FFX starts with you escaping an exploding Zanarkand and getting sucked into the void. That's pretty damn action-packed. And even the "Freezer" introduces you to exploration before bringing the action back with a vengeance.

>Somewhat odd difficulty curve.
I see your Seymour and raise you a Carry Armor.

>extremely linear
At first. The world and the Sphere Grid both start to open up as the story goes off the rails. Don't forget the time you get thrown onto Bikanel island, totally lost and unsure of where to go.

>>154167549
with only a couple exceptions, you merely made a list of common features and reoccuring characters/names, not core elements.

im starting to get the feeling just simply... Don't Get it. and I feel bad for this. but X has just suade you too much and you think this is a definitive experience for its elements that make it simply just a great game.

>>154167549
But VII has all those things too and is even easier and simpler. It's also not slow as fuck.

>>154167889
What in gods name are you talking about, X is a turn based game, persona games play almost exactly the same. The classic games, bravely games, and dragon quest games play pretty similar if not exactly the same

>>154167549
But if you are trying to get people into the series, you are probably going to want something that is more comparable to the rest of the series. No one was saying FFX is crap, but you wouldn't recommend Dissidia as a starter game either even though it contains most of the stuff you mentioned.

>>154167779
Replace *Shatter* with *Fswoosh* and you get every other FF game.

>>154167997
exactly. you've said this far better than I have so far.

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>>154167997
Smash introduced people to Earthbound and Fire Emblem.

>>154167925
X starts off explosively enough, then it winds it way back for the whole Besaid thing, the temple and the journey to Kilka. VII has you as this terrorist who's taking down power plants and killing thugs for the first half dozen hours. It never really stops.

>>154167925
Not him, but you don't "explore Zanarkand". You run down a narrow and straight path and watch cutscenes.
>Bikanel
The game goes back to its rails right afterwards.

>>154167516
>Lack of combat after the beginning.

There's the opening, and then it hits the brakes for a little bit. Ya know, like Star Wars. Slowing things down after an action-packed opening is called "Good storytelling".

>>154167992
Right, so you only meant the battle system. Thing is, everything else does set it apart quite a lot.

>>154168121
This is true, but people wanting to get into Final Fantasy probably already have some reason to want to look into it in the first place. Even if you think the character is cool, it doesn't mean you'd like the game they came from.

>>154168209
Regardless of whether it's good or not, it's still something that most FF games don't do.

>>154168209
FFX and good storytelling don't go together.

It's not like the opening was actually exciting anyway. You just run down a hallway, press X to kill a few non-threatening enemies and occasionally people talk. It's literally XIII's opening.

>>154167890
How does Exousia/Sylph/Kirin sound?

>>154167941
i agree VII better to start than X, but VII is actually super fucking slow to start. like, very beginning, Ok thats good. then once you destroy the first reactor, the game crawls until you leave midgar. then crawls again until you reach Junon.

that said X story starts slow too.
>Zanarkand destruction opening.
Ok... cool. so whats the story about
>Underwater Ruins
Ok Ok... so whats the game about. what am i doing?
>Meetin wakka and lulu and the first town.
Ok... still waiting
>First trials
Ok... pretty girl... what am i doing? im 3 dungeons in now. whats my direction?
>Finally leaves with the guardians on the pilgrimage
Oh... so my journey just started.

>>154168354
there is IX yknow

>>154168158
>Back to its rails.

Does it? The Calm Lands is a multi-pronged fork. From it, you can explore the Chamber of the Stolen Fayth, the monster arena, the Summoners Trials, or I guess you could go to Gagazet. Consider that you are also in the middle of making the Sphere Grid your bitch once you get to the calm lands, and I think you have a lot of freedom. You are also on the cusp of getting the airship which, in the original release, meant exploration-a-gogo.

I could just as easily call VII Linear based on how you slowly expand where you can go just enough to reach the next area the game wants you to go to with a few detours on the way. FFX has those, too.

>>154168121
in introduced them to a Fire Emblem character, and the franchise didnt popularize truly over here until the 3ds games.

and we did have earthbound on SNES yknow. Brawl merely introduced us Lucas (Mother 3)

>>154167603

We've been over this. X's start is horrendously boring for a newbie, who will turn the game off, I assure you. I said it in your first thread and I'll say it again. The first game needs to be hitchless and require the player to interact with its systems as little as possible. This is supposed to be snake oil salesmanship.

So you fight a couple of fights with Auron. Then you swim a really long time and search for plywood. Then you take the Sphere Grid tutorial twice, because the fucker speaks in Al Bhed cypher. Then you swim with Rikku and fight piranhas. This would be a good time to remind you that water levels and swimming are universally reviled by the way. Then you get thrown to Besaid and swim in a lake and fight piranhas again. Next in line is the Cloister of fucking Trials. After that you fight four scripted tutorial fights in Besaid (and kill yourself so you can hear Lulu's Besaid death line.). Enter a boat and fight the critters you were already fighting with Auron. While the game actually starts at Gagazet, the tutorial ends after Luca and you could be said to be let loose when you enter the forest of Kilika. To get to that point takes about two hours, most of it cutscenes, talking and doing the same shit over and over again.

>>154167739

This is not a charity. We're trying to introduce them to FF, nothing more. That's the point of the chart.

>>154168537
You're implying people actually played Earthbound when it came out

>>154168409
I say VII strings the player along better. You blow up a reactor and start working on the next one. Then you get split up and have to fight your way back. Then you gotta infiltrate the enemy's base. Then you gotta escape capture. Then you gotta get out of Midgar. It's all pretty naturally flowing. The one tripup in the progression is the Honeybee Inn thing, which is admittedly a bit of a drag.

VII is certainly more cinematic than its predecessors in the same way VI was. VII is to VI what X is to VII.

>>154168572
>while the game actually starts at gagazet
Oh go fuck off thats like saying VII starts at disc 2 or the VI starts at the World of Ruin

>>154168578
Are you implying that the scratch-and-sniff ads weren't effective?

>>154168354
FFI- KILL GARLAND!! Great, now explore a bit and maybe find the lich.
FFII- FUCK!! DARK KNIGHTS!! Now try get stronger and maybe the princess will give you a mission.
FFIII - TURTLE!! Now go from town to town doing stuff.
FFIV - Actually, this opening kinda drags...
FFV - METEORS!! Now let's wander through some boats.
FFVI - ROBOTS!! Now to sneak out of town to meet a king with a bad sense of humor.
FFVII - BLOW SHIT UP!! Then head to the bar.
FFVIII - SEIFER!! Then Schoolwork...


The only one that never gives you room to breate is 13, which is one of its problems.

>>154168578
yyyeah. I did. and still omits Smash Bros from introducing it.

>>154168750
Hold the fking Phone. in VIII, I hope you realize that 'Schoolwork' equals a fucking mercenary exam involving slaying a summoning and a fking war zone, to god damn prove your might.

>>154168750
You still fight stuff and explore in the downtime of those other games. You fight stuff and explore while looking for the Lich. You do the same when you roam in II. You do the same when you go from town to town in III. You do the same when you go from town to town in IV. And so on.

In X? It's all cinematics and talking. The game doesn't even give you the option to explore around between going from point A to point B, it just plonks you on a direct path and says walk.

>>154166858
>sufag
no wonder you're so stupid.

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>>154168609
I actually bought FFX anf FFVII at the same time, and I found the dialog in FFX engaging enough, Learning little quirks like how an old Blitzball salute got turned into a religious gesture and stuff like that amused me. I also loved the chill pace, since I play these games to unwind. There was definitely enough stuff going on to keep me interested.

Maechen is love, Maechen is life.

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>>154168697

Enjoy your Simon Says battle system instantly winning everything and being a thorough controlling of your playstyle and choices until that point by the developers.

>>154168397
Good, although remember that Exousia is a *3+ so you're not going to be able to augment it. Also there's nowhere to farm Fire for Kirin right now, so you're not going to be able to level the ability outside of spending tickets.

>>154168969
So does VII, name one time in the entirety of midgar, besides wall market where you're allowed to go off the beaten path

>>154168996
I'm not saying FFX isn't enjoyable, but if you've never played a JRPG before, you'd probably want fare a bit faster paced.

>>154168969
What is the Kilika Woods?

The game you are describing is Final Fantasy XIII. FFX gives you plenty of time to stop and smell the roses, and in fact encourages it through little asides.

>>154169007
Dont you post Ruby, you don't deserve to, and we're talking about games that are good for beginners you absolutely brain dead moron

>>154169086
The Kilika woods? You mean the pretty linear dungeon that you have to do? That's a main goal. That's not an aside at all.

>>154169061
If I've never played a JRPG before, I think I'd balk at Popeye.

FFX has better visuals and voice-acting, which new players would probably enjoy more.

>>154169194
>Goes in several loops, includes an optional boss, and loads of secret treasure.

That was a fun place to romp around in and you know it.

>>154169041
when you drop Aeris off at her house, you have like 3 places to explore. I think you can steal some rare shit too if you know where to look.

>>154169198
FFX is also much slower and focused more on cinematics than action, which new players will probably enjoy less. Seriously, it's like 3 hours before you've gotten past the first village in X.

>>154169295
And you get an elixir if you talk to Luzzu and Gatta after beating the ochu lord.

>>154169295
It's still a main dungeon. You're replying to my post about how the game doesn't let you go off the linear path by saying 'oh, but the path is cool! you should have fun on the path!'

>>154169352
"Woooooaaaah!"
"A Summoner and her Guardians."

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>>154169198
Voice... Acting...
>shutters
are we really calling this a pro now?

>>154169134

>and we're talking about games that are good for beginners you absolutely brain dead moron

Quite true. That's why the game actually starting discussion was a separate issue. The actual point was about the first two hours, for which Gagazet clearly has no importance, but if you separately start questioning the game starting at Gagazet, I will respond to your query.

Sorry to get that specific expression, I had to use Ruby. Blame the fanartists.

>>154168969
the exploration you refer to for X is vasly different from the Exploration referred to any FF game with a World Map. you're talking abot branching paths with this and that in maina reas. typical dungeon shit.

We are talking about finding a new, not main area, where you can help fend off ana rmy to protect a tower, or go on a side quest to claim this bitchin Summon.

things X really only includes like in the very end of the game, and not throughout it.

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>>154169473
It's better than FFVII's.

>>154169825
>eating shit is better than eating nothing

>>154169825
FFVII had a single voice acted line... the Kefka laugh. and that alone along with the silence of no voices is better than fking FFX god damn VAing.

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>>154156030

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>>154169785
Think of it from a story perspective: In FFX, the characters willingly go along with what they think their purpose is until their eyes get opened and the game opens up as well.

In FFVII, you think you have freedom and can explore things, only for Sephiroth to reveal that it's been LINEAR ALL ALONG!!

>>154169785
That's one of the issues. The game only lets you see and do what it wants you to.

How disappointing was it when you got to Bevelle and found out it you could only explore like 4 screens and a temple? It's supposed to be the largest city in the world.

>>154169921
There actually a few, like when the sector 7 plate falls and you can hear scream and at the end of the game both in the One Winged Angel theme and the children's laughter in the post-credits scene. The Kefka laugh isn't a voice recording.

>>154169921
>kefka laugh
>VII

huh?

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>>154170054
>One Winged Angel
>DENNY'S, DENNY'S DENNY'S ASS
>DENNY'S SUCH A FUCKING ASS!

And you will continue to claim that's a better ending theme than fucking Heavy metal.

>>154169930
>There are people who don't enjoy this scenario.

Literally the main reason I chose hentai over western porn.

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>>154169942
So... wait. in FFX the characters think the world is flat and can only go in one direction... cause they know their designation? and in FFVII Sephiroth makes a round world flat because...

what the fuck are you trying to say?

no wait. let me stop you there. it doesnt matter. because fucking exploration shouldn't go with Story. cause that's what makes it Exploration. escaping from the narrative and the predesignated progression.

oh and one more thing... stop looking way into things and trying to bull shit deep reasoning out of nothing.

>>154170178
its a secret in the gold sauce hotel

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>>154170319
All I am trying to say is... you are just a puppet.

FFX gets progressively less linear as the game goes on and the characters start defying what fate has in store for them. This is also represented in the sphere grid, which you eventually gain control of and can do with what you please. The journey starts to make less sense, and fewer specialized enemies start appearing.

Which is another good example of what makes it a good starter game. It starts with a strong single direction, then slowly eases off before dropping you in Bikanel to fend for yourself without a white mage. Hope you figured out how to play the game by then!

>>154170748
This is literally the same retarded argument some people make about XIII's linearity that even people who like XIII rightfully mock.

>>154170748
>less linear

This is a giant overstatement, it's only by a slight amount. You still explore corridors.

>Bikanel

we've been over this already, your party rejoins you almost immediately and you're put back on the rails within minutes of arriving

>>154170748
progressively less linear? thats like french for exactly the same amount of linear until you get the Airship... right?

and this is better than having fair amounts of exploration throughout the entire game because its better to shove story down their throats for 20+ hours before they can get a break from it.

>>154170815
Excapt FFXIII is truly linear and never gives you the sort of control that FFX does. FFX gives you places to take a break; towns to explore and stuff to do without the imminent threat of violence. You never get to catch a breath in FFXIII and the Chrystarium never lets you deviate from its path and even caps off in several parts. In FFX, you eventually begin bouncing around the grid at will like a Mexican Jumping Bean, re-traversing areas that 13 left in the dust two discs ago.

FFXIII's character claim they can defy fate...before promptly doing what the bad guys have tried to make them do all along without finding a different solution.

FFX's characters try to defy fate...and succeed. They defied what they had been told was their destiny and find a way to defeat Sin once and for all. Why? Because they actually looked for a solution rather than wallowing in self-pity, getting led along by some pope fuck until they helped him finish his plans.

There are MILES of differences between X and XIII.

what a alive thred

>>154171119
Oh gee, you get to revisit linear areas. How dynamic and nonlinear.

You know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel if you're contrasting the linearity of FFX to FFXIII

>>154171479
Ditto. make your games flaw out to be less than the other games flaw. its still flawed.

>>154170908
I'll break it down.

At the start of the game, you have one path, a linear one, and everyone is on a linear sphere grid.

Then everyone gets shaken by Operation Mi'ihen. You get Level 1 spheres; characters can now leave their linear path and try a different one. You start hitting forks in the road.

The Temple of Macalania. The end of the line, which you eventually turn and flee from once Seymour's corruption is revealed. You get dropped in Bikanel and the Via Purifico, lost and directionless.

You get back on the rails to Zanarkand because you think it's the right thing to do, though at the Calm Lands, you can go to various areas to get time to think. You start getting special spheres that let you explore the grid as you see fit.

Then, upon reaching Zanarkand, the story goes completely off the rails, and now you resolutely traverse the world in search of an answer, while going on those sidequests to get those bitchin summons. Now you have access to all the spheres, and the sphere grid is your bitch.

You now have control of the game as you wish.

>>154171575
...But it's still linear. Even when you get the airship, all it lets you do is revisit linear areas. You traverse the lands by choosing a destination on the map screen and effectively warping there.

>>154171119
And in XIII you're balancing leveling primary roles for CP efficient stat boosts and dabbling in secondary roles for your characters because you want to eg. use specific characters while still having the option to run triple com. Just like you won't be able fill the entire sphere grid until end game and still have to commit to some kind of path even once you do get more freedom with it, you won't be filling the entire crystarium once secondary roles unlock and have to make a decision about which secondary roles you invest in and how much. By end game, the characters in X just become clones of each other only distinguished by their overdrives so whatever freedom you get doesn't really matter.

X really doesn't offer much more freedom than XIII. Though it admittedly does give you some more, it's still a heavily railroaded experience and your argument is still just as dumb as "XIII is just a hallway for most of the game because they're led by fate and have no other choice!"

>>154171560
>>154171479
But FFXIII never changes its pace. There are no dips in the action to let you stretch for a bit. It's all walk the path, fight some monsters, walk the path, fight some monsters, walk the path, fight some monsters, with no variation.

FFX has walk the path, fight some monsters, visit a town, ride ze shoopuff?, play some blitzball, solve a puzzle, learn a new language, ride an airship, etc.

>>154171887
Nobody's denying that XIII is a super liner game. It and X are the two most linear games in the series, by far. Saying that X isn't that linear because XIII is worse is not a particularly great endorsement.

Hey beginner mage guy in Mobius, still here? How did the ents go?

>>154171951
I can just as easily argue that VII is linear because each time you unlock a new vehicle, it gives you just enough more reach to arrive at the next destination on your linear path to North Crater.

FFX is fairly linear, but, like FFVII, it makes up for it with variety of experiences, something XIII never does. I don't think there is a single lighthearted moment in FFXIII, not even the theme park.

>>154171575
uh huh...

in FVIII you have triple triad, two secret Summonings, one in an optional dungeon, a slew of little secret spots to find, aaaaand the ability to get Lionheart... on the first disc.the second disc practically triples this.

>>154171887
And in XIII you visit a theme park, fight robopope, ride an airship, crashland on another planet, ride a chocobo, dig up hidden treasure with that chocobo and unlock new areas by doing sidequests. Doesn't mean most of those things aren't railroaded, just like riding the shoopuff and visiting towns. You can't take a detour and visit a completely optional town or anything like that like you can in most FFs, and set pieces don't make the game any less linear. Everyone has already acknowledged that XIII is even more railroaded than X so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. It doesn't change the fact that X is really bad in that regard as well.

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FFX is linear. there is no denying it. But that doesn't make it bad either.

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Feels pretty good. Took me a few days to get to the forge but definitely paying off. I'll be able to get the weapon and shield for sure and have left over for other crap.

How's everyone else's jewcakes farming?

>>154172190
But you can go to other places in those vehicles or use them to revisit old locations. Your destination is ultimately North Crater but there are plenty of divergences on that path.

>>154172278
No one's saying it's bad because it's linear. It's bad for completely different reasons.

>>154172327
it goes alright for me. im getting plenty. enough to always get a new batch going. just a amtter of time and waiting. prolly gonna be making mogcakes well after the event period and spending in the claim period.

>>154172460
You can't make them after the event period

>>154172327

decent.

I have 4 slots running and got the shield and mace already. I plan to nab as much as i can from this event

>>154172490
really? thought it was only you cant get anymore materials.

>>154172490
Why wouldn't you? You still have a week to claim prizes after the event ends and recipes don't just disappear.

>>154172343
neck yourself

>>154172683
>I should kill myself because some neckbeard on 4chan doesn't share my opinion
Are you autistic?

>>154172751
you can log back into reddit at any time friend

>>154173153
but I bet Reddit loves X. It is normie's first Final Fantasy after all.

>>154172490
>>154172536
you are still be able to make/claim after the 'drop' duration ended.

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Holy fucking shit.
Best draw I've ever had.

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>>154173591
>Quistis OSB

>>154174110
I really hope I don't draw that. Never found a good use for Quistis

>>154174110
Gross.

Quistis is gross.

>>154174110
Wait a fucking second. Is that a natty 6* item?

>>154168428
That tumor isn't worth mentioning.

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>>154174294

>>154174227
you're gross.

>>154174110
>>154174294
Wait another fucking second, is that a new level of SB?

>>154174342
another slowpoke here. I knew from looking at the future events that six-star items would be a thing, but i don't know exactly what osb is. And i'm having a surprisingly hard time googling it.

What makes it different/better than bsb's?

>>154174601
the relic is base 6*, gets an elemental damage buff from realm synergy (corresponding to the SB obviously) and the SBs have an extremely high multiplier and break damage cap.

>>154174696
Neat. Do they give you a lasting set of skills like bursts or are they just super powerful single attacks?

>>154174756
just a single attack

>>154174756
The latter, only one OSB gives a special effect at all that I can think of.

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I only ever get one relic on these half off draws. Not sure if this was worth the 25 mith

>>154175043
this is what guaranteed 5* will look like

>>154175043
More than I get on this shit.
I don't think I've pulled ONE 5* on a half price draw.

>>154175043
high regen is pretty darn good if you don't have it already.

>>154175043
I got clouds bsb sword, shadow's ssb that attacks immediately and has a ton of magic, and irvines ssb that causes status ailments from the last 25 draw. That was a good day.

Still nothing for best girl though.

30 minutes to maintenance. Spend that nrg guys.

>>154175337
>tfw my 3hour cakes just got done
>30 minutes early

FUCK ME IN THE ASS AND CALL ME [YOUR WAIFU]

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>>154175337
>mfw 200+ energy and counting

>>154175497
>FUCK ME IN THE ASS AND CALL ME [YOUR WAIFU]
That would be really weird anon. You are not my waifu and I don't know that she would do anal.

>>154175337
Actually, there's no reason to spend all of it.
As long as you spend 36, you should be fine.

as long as gumi doesn't extend it again

>>154172327
Reminder to farm at least 9000 flour by the end of the farming event

We'll still gonna have 9 days of crafting and redeeming.

>>154175590
Please let there be an extension and/or fuckup like last time. Wouldn't mind free stuff again.

>>154175842
Didn't we get a fucking thousand lapis last time?

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST LET IT BE EXTENDED

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Meh. I didn't have anything for ff13 yet, so it's better than nothing.

>>154175939
what's this, Realm Lucky?
I got a duplicate Holy Rod. fucking bollocks.

So to be sure I have this right:

Materials for mogcakes only drop until the 11th but you have until the 20th to craft from your excess mogcakes and exchange them, right?

>>154175939
I got Lenna's Shout Lite, and also Snow's Paladin. I can only see it as a 5* fist weapon, and I highly doubt that only it and Oerba's Boon will let me clear the Cid Raines U+ CM, much less mote Dahaka.

>>154176335
Yes siree.

>>154176335
Yes only 1000000000 more until you can get that summon ticket! let's go guys!!!

>>154176335
Yes, but they drop until the 15th and you have until the 22th to craft

>>154176438
You mean the 21rd

because PDT != PST

>>154176750
>twenty firsrd

>>154171575
>Then, upon reaching Zanarkand, the story goes completely off the rails, and now you resolutely traverse the world in search of an answer, while going on those sidequests to get those bitchin summons. Now you have access to all the spheres, and the sphere grid is your bitch.
And it only took the game about 40 hours to let you to do some fucking sidequests. X and XIII are really two peas in a pod, except XIII doesn't even try to salvage its design flaws by letting you revisit the corridors at the last minute.

>>154176873
XII at least lets you explore. You can go to most of the outdoor areas in the game without doing any story stuff.

>>154175939
Looking closer a snow makes me feel a little better though. Knight, monk, and combat is an interesting combination.

>>154176438
I've already bought the mace and 8 of the tickets with around 20k cakes in the bank. How are y'all doing?

>>154177096
I have the moogle, pestle, shield, 6 tickets, 60 magicite and like 20 cactuars

>>154177096
around 45k cakes.

Still not redeeming anything. Can't choose.

>>154177171
What the hell senpai. 4 slots and non-stop crafting I assume?

>>154177187
Tix>Shield>Mace>Quartz>Tm jewgle

>>154177303
I've had some down time because I'm not going to lose sleep over this shit, but yeah, 4 slots gets you a lot.

>>154177171
>buying cactuars instead of Quartz
>buying cactuars instead of screamroots / fine alcrysts
>buying magicite instead of literally anything else
>not even buying the rest of the tickets
wew them priorities

>>154177365
cactuars and magicite help me immediately by getting my TM party to the point where I can farm everything with them for a slight boost to my TM gains. None of that other shit helps me immediately and I'm going to get everything anyway so what's the problem, you sperg?

>>154177518
It helps you long term.

In the future, you aren't going to wish you bought more cactuses when you're buying the best items in the game with Quartz, or opening upcoming chests with Magic Keys. Or pulling fucking characters, which is the point of the game.

Levels are cheap and easy, those other things might as well be impossible to get anywhere else.

For the NRG you spent on those cactuses you could have maxed a full team already, and you could have leveled all your espers too.

>>154178127
are you dense? In the future I'm not going to hope for shit because I'm going to have enough cakes to get everything regardless. Cakes are more efficient for magicite and exp than anything else (especially since you get both while you farm cakes anyway). If you're going to get everything there's no reason not to get the shit that's helpful in the short term first.

>>154178394
What if you got in a car wreck right now and went into a coma for a week.

Well you'd feel like a grade-a jackass then.

>>154176963
XII is very exploration heavy, yeah. It also lets you access areas that you technically shouldn't be visiting yet if you are willing to risk high-level enemies. The previews say XV is doing the same thing, making some dungeons tense as fuck.

>>154178648
I think that's a risk I'm willing to take

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did they fuck with the ff wiki? what the fuck is this stupid grey on white bullshit, how do I fix this?

>>154178769
I remember the trek into and out of the necrohol of nabudis when zodiac spear was first available. Fun times.

>>154179383
>they added gray on white text before pronouns on the character pages
wow, what a bunch of cishet white pigs

>>154179526
what are you talking about? kindly fuck off

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>>154179383
Everything looks like FFXV to me. Pretty much all their most visited articles are from XV, so I guess they decided to make a theme.

>>154179765
Looks like sometimes the image background just won't load and you're left with what you saw in my screenshot.

>>154179827
And they're too lazy to change the background color for when that happens.

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>>154179765
>>154179383
Speaking of FF Wiki, the Recurring Story Elements page is hilarious.

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>>154179430
My favorite was stumbling into that one massive underground cave right before I went to Raithwall's Tomb in IZJS.

You know, the one that has those enemies stronger than 99% of the game's superbosses just chilling in the back.

>>154167178
>>154155494
It's interesting that in the Japanese version the daemons roaming the land during night time are called "shigai" (corpse), written similarly to シ骸 (Cie Corpse, or Cie'th in the English localization of FNC titles). And seeing how similar the names of l'Cie and Lucis are in Japanese (ルシ vs. ルシス), it seem quite likely that Lucis is a slave country of sorts.

>>154181443
*it seems

wew, this week I tried the FFTA X hack The Long Night is based on and I can't believe how much of a fucking improvement TLN is. almost every changed skill appears to be broken both in animation and effect, tootips aren't even changed and when I put my """avatar""" into water the sprite glitched out and the game crashed. it's also a fucking mystery how to get new classes since the job reqs are random afaict.
the first mission was okay in terms of kaizo-but-not-really difficulty, since there's a dragon and a titania that auto-raises units and oneshots people, but now I'm five hours in and there hasn't been anything like it ever again, in fact it dropped off immediately to be about as easy as vanilla, lots of enemy teams and just vanilla with endgame weapons and every skill available too.
I really didn't want to rag on it before giving it some time but this is just shit and terrible and apparently designed by a literal retard who doesn't know what he wants, I hope TLN sees a full release soon.

Just 20 more minutes until we aren't dead anymore.

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>decide to try on the lucky draw against my better judgment
>0/11
it hurts

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Some Platinum Demo track names have popped up. The vocal version of Somnus pretty much confirmed to be in the game too.

>>154179765
that shit is fucking ugly regardless.

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>>154156030
Celes the lifesaver

>>154181739
>I played random fangames and they were shit
Wow anon that is some groundbreaking discovery for sure.

FUCKING gumi with their maintenence. I only have time to set the cakes at 6:30am, 2:30pm and 10:30pm. This is bullshit.

So wait, what did they even do with the maintenance

everything look exactly the same

>>154173591
>still waiting for Ultimecia
God damn it, we've had Dissidia events for fucks sake, why are we yet to get the SSSSS-tier time goddess?

>>154184990
we already have Rinoa

alright
what's the deal with the mimic guy from the new core dungeon

>>154184990
Rinoa is in the game, for the last fucking time.

We'll get a dress sphere eventually.

>>154185103
If we can have DK and Pal Cecil, we can have both Rinoas.

>>154184990
Adel will come out first before Ultimecia

>>154170189
So you can more easily self insert? Understandable.

>>154185110
In FFV, you beat him by doing literally nothing. The catch though is that you have a limited time to do the dungeon he's in, fight him, and get out.

In RK, you also do nothing until he allows you to fight normally. I didn't test to see what would happen if you acted if it wasn't yet okay to do so.

>>154184316
more like I played the random fangame a good fangame is based on and it had nothing in common except the concept for some jobs. even the fucking names made me cringe just take a fucking look
>Introducing newcore classes: Avatar, Soul-Seer, Onion-Knight, Ark Knight, Naga, Valkyrie, Dread Lord

>>154185980
thanks
he murders you with an barrage of aoe spells like meteor

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Which game had the best party?

>>154186234
Final Fantasy VII

>>154186054
>>154185980
It should be mentioned that you can really easily kill Gogo in FFV the "normal" way.

Aside from Chemist bullshit, you can just use Carbuncle to reflect everything back at him, or otherwise push his shit in with Silence.

Presumably the same is true in RK.

>>154186332
What was it about the party that made it the best?

>>154186391
I actually tried the reflect method the first time I fought him. Reflected everyone, smacked him with Flare, then he smacked himself with Flare.

And then he got mad and spammed Meteor until everyone was dead. Guess I forgot the Silence part.

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KEK

>>154186515
The trick is to reflect back most of his spells before triggering his batshit triplecast meteor mode, and then just punch his face in with spellblade-rapidfire-flare shenanigans for the last little bit of his HP.

>>154186234
VIII for me. They all had mental issues (unsurprisingly), but at least they all had a reason to be there, which is something most FF parties can't say.

>>154187139
>they all had a reason to be there
Rinoa has no reason to be with the party the entirety of Disc 2.

I started playing Brave Exvius a week ago and my material inventory is full, what should I sell to make space? I don't know what I need to hold onto yet.

>>154186234
IV and VI

>>154187791
Expand material inventory to 85. Not trolling here. You'll regret selling mats, since you never know when you might need them. Keep some of each, no need to have more than 99 per item.
Use lapis also for few more friend list spots and equipment if you're a collector fag like me. Never ever for item slots(potions and other consumables), insta-crafting/RNG refresh. That's for whales.

>>154187704
Why not? The SeeDs were still under contract and her little resistance movement went into hiding.

>>154188046
And the shit Edea was pulling concerned her both as a Timber resident and as a Galbadian citizen.

>>154186234
ff6, but
ff4 if we are talking about the gba/psp remakes. yang and edward outclass kain and edge in every way

>>154186234
Heavensward

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/tgs16/lineup/

Square's tentative TGS line-up is up.

FFXV - demo, trailer, stage show
WoFF - demo, trailer, stage show
FFXII TZA - trailer, stage show
FFXIV - demo, trailer, stage show
Dissidia Opera Omnia - trailer, studio show

>>154186234
VI, it handled the ensemble cast very balanced and well. IV you had a main character that was a good main character especially in the run up to becoming a paladin, but I felt he was blande after that.

>>154189823
>but I felt he was blande after that
Probably because the game stopped being about Cecil since his character arc was pretty much finished.

>>154190127
he should have left the party for a bit then. THat's what made all the other characters great is cause you had them in small doses. That seems to be what they learned and made VI like that, fixed one of the VERY few and small flaws IV had

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Wish me luck boys.
Hoping for something for my favorite Fang.

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>>154190886
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.
Is it good enough for me to grab him and replace somone?
Post team in 2 mins.

>>154191008
No buy more gems kupo.

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>>154191008
Team.

>look at old banners
>imagine people who started on day 1 actually wasting their mythril on this crap
Glad I started when I did.

>>154191115
>using the same team for everything
BAD!

>>154191115
Nope. Gilgamesh is good and all, but I'd stick with those guys.

>>154191115
I'd switch out Kain or Sarah depending on the battle. Just switch as needed

>>154191642
Kain's SSB is better than Repentance, though.

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over four attempts at this guy i get one single random stagger. at 0,1% hp left.

thanks dena

>>154191716
I got one like right at the start of the battle that I won in. Couldn't take much advantage of it.

>>154191303

i don't understand how they even come up with the idea

>>154191684
Kain sucks though, and gilg can jump if you need it. SBs aren't everything

>>154191808

stops him from attacking, at least

>>154191839
What is Gilgamesh going to do that will beat Kain with his SSB and Lifesiphon? This guy isn't exactly rocking R3 Saint Cross or anything.

>>154156720

fat

>>154191839

nice post from 2014

>>154191942
Banashing strike for one

MOBIUSBROS

What should I add to my multiplayer build as an attacker? I'm aiming for a 4* card, 3+* with a status effect, another damaging card of a different element and a support.

>>154192101
He can bring that if he needs it, sure, but you don't need it too often. It's not really a reason to bring Gilgamesh to every fight.

>>154173591

and the crowd goes mild

what's up with the japs

>>154192482
Nowhere to go, I guess.
Wonder if they'll pull a reverse Dissidia later and add Ultimecia in as an Edea dress record.

>>154181443
Interesting find, dude. I'm really curious how deep the FNC connection goes.

>>154192195
Did I say every battle? Having one party for every battle is fucking stupid. But Banashing Strike is great not just for dispel but is great for holy damage until you can afford at least R2 St Cross. Even without exploiting weaknesses it's a pretty good damaging 4*

JMV had maintenence too. They very quickly fixed things that would make them more money like the Extra Hard levels having the wrong fuel cost, but didn't even bother with the frustrating stuff that's been a problem from day one like the bugged achievements or the broken friends list.

Grr.

>>154193102
why the fuck do you call it Banashing Strike? Are you illiterate?

>>154192193
Drop the support card. Add the fattest Attack power cards you have (eg 4* max lvl aoe tier).

>>154193102
All I'm saying is that Kain is better for general purposes, and the only time Gilgamesh can be better is if he needs a Dispel. Banishing Strike is pretty good for damage, but it loses to 3* Jumps or Leeching Leap with no air time.

>>154193181
Anon, please.

>>154193532
No, really. Are you illiterate?

>>154193608
do NOT bully anon.

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who the fuck is this why did I waste a fucking pull arrghhh

>>154193608
>arguing with the guy who made a typo in that post
>Must be the same guy!
I don't know, are you?

>>154193664
I'll bally him all I want.

>>154193385
>augmented a single target to 4*
>missed the growstar from the daily logins because it reset so can't augment another
JUST

looks like I'll roll with what I've got now since these are my best ones

Mobius multiplayer when?

>>154193532
Gilg can equip almost anything and that gives him a big advantage over Kain since you can exploit synergies very easily. Plus he has higher def and HP.

And Gilg is best wingman

>>154193998
Hey, I started that mod yesterday and I got btfo in that fight, I only tried once because it was late but Ill be playing more when Im home, how do you deal with every monster acting before you?

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>>154195085
Only one of the panthers can get close enough to attack, so you either put amored units first or set some high evasion guy and roll the dice. The flan goes after your robe users so I just kill him with montblanc and then protect as many units as possible.