/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games

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>>154008189
First for Caveman 2 Cosmos is the greatest mod of all time

>>154008423
>overslut
opinion discarded

>>154008423
I'm thinking about installing it. On a level from babby too fullblow aurora autism how complex is it?

Fourth for 1upt being the best thing to happen to civilizations.

>>154008510
HoI 3 OOB autism, so a bit less than Aurora.
It takes a lot of time to get used to it. >>153941496
Get the SVN version, the last real release was like a year ago but the SVN was updated like three days ago.
Something else to keep in mind that I forgot was that there are NO unique units or buildings except for a geographic culture like Native Culture - European. Cultures like Celtic, Gothic, German etc. are world wonders that have the appropriate geographic autobuilding as per-requisite along with a certain technology and surrounding geography. Geography is literally deterministic here as well, something like 60% of buildings literally can never be built if you don't have the right surrounding resources and features.

If you have other questions you can ask me~

>>154008467
D.Va is best overslut.

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>>154008704

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What would be the next type of species/family that would be a good portrait pack for Stellaris?

>>154008746
>go kill yourself!!
>but also read my arguments plz
Nah. If you want people to pay attention to you, you gotta learn to be respectful instead of acting like a kid.

>>154008796
Anime. Literally none of those look acceptable and they all act like humans anyway.

>>154008704
I agree, but I also like what they're doing with 6. In 5 units like AT guns and AA guns were such a pain in the ass to use, being able to combine your infantry and support weapons is solid. Being able to make a doomstack is not.

>>154008796
$20

>>154008909
You'll be able to mix support units and combat units in 6? Sounds fun.

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>>154008830
>I have no arguments so let's call him a kid, haha that'll show everyone how mature and respectful I am
And now the tables have turned. This isn't your first post. Which was?

>>154008909
>Being able to make a doomstack is not.
But as I said, the doomstack works better for AI because it's better at handling it AND isn't a concern against players. It also reduces micromanagement and isn't by any means invincible or even optimal depending on circumstances.
I see literally nothing wrong with 'doomstacks', because if anything it makes tactical combat even more useful.

>>154008960
Yeah it's explicitly stated to be possible. I'm still waiting for the return of civics though and not the deck system, I want my actual civics back.

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>>154008960
Unless i'm being retarded, I recall them saying you'll be able to put certain unit types together into a company. The examples given were AT and AA guns being combined with Infantry iirc

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>>154009049
It kind of ruins any sense of strategy when you just toss your entire army onto one tile and use them like that. Having to position your armies around to create a front of some description and push like that is just much more tactical.

>>154008960
>>154009089
>Civilization VI still uses a "1 Unit Per Tile" system, but adds a combined arms system in which a normal military unit can link with and stack together with a support unit, such as a builder, settler, field medic, battering ram, siege tower, anti-tank or anti-aircraft unit.
Starting in the Renaissance era, two of the same unit can be combined into a Corps, which is less powerful than two individual units, but more survivable and takes up less space on the map (to reduce overcrowding). Later in the modern era, three units can combine to form an Army. The ability to form Corps and Armies are unlocked in the Civics tree rather than the technology tree.

>>154009243
>two of the same unit can be combined into a Corps, which is less powerful than two individual units
Sounds nice.
Especially if cavalry had a bonus to weaker units, so increasing the unit mass by using corps is a way to beat cav.

>>154009214
>It kind of ruins any sense of strategy when you just toss your entire army onto one tile and use them like that
Except as I said it literally doesn't work against players and against AI it doesn't always work either because the AI actually knows how to deal with doomstacks in my experience, but have no fucking idea how to deal with that shit in 1UPT. You are taking away options from the player to present overall a strictly inferior experience in both singleplayer and multiplayer - in singleplayer the fact that the AI has no idea what it's doing destroys any 'tactics', while in multiplayer doomstacks were nigh suicidal anyway.
It also adds loads of unnecessary micro to the game.

>>154009387
From the sound of it they just need to fix the AI to actually be competent and there wouldn't be any need for it in the first place. I certainly wouldn't say that a lack of doomstacking makes for an inferior experience though, just a different one.
Micro isn't my favorite though

ai doomstacks are laughable and easily exploitable too, they just don't trip over moving them around

>>154009602
>From the sound of it they just need to fix the AI to actually be competent and there wouldn't be any need for it in the first place
Right, and then it'd be suicidal to make doomstacks anyway if you had actual competent AI. Taking away options to force an experience that can happen organically anyway isn't a good idea.

>>154009679
I see your point, I just don't personally think that the option is particularly interesting.

Are we due another Civ vid today? Hope it's a little more interesting than the bloody Kongo.

Also, Stellaris discussion belongs in /gsg/

>>154009875
/gsg/ sent them here.

>>154009875
>Stellaris discussion belongs in /gsg/
Why?

>>154009875
>Are we due another Civ vid today?

According to 2K China, it's tomorrow.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4768058148

(also replies to someone asking if it's a middle eastern civ and they say it's not)

>>154009593
>1280 x 1024
stupid poorfag

>>154009875
>Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games General

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>>154008423
>>154008467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt_RS51FOA

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>>154009875
But this week's release WAS the Congo, wasn't it? They've done early releases before.

I don't know what's so uninteresting about the Congo.

>>154010390
Nobody has ever heard of them, they arent cool like the Zulu or actually civilised looking like the ethiopians

>>154008189
Is this garrison centric policy build actually good?

>>154010390
maybe, but kongo was from a special event and not put out on tuesday, so who knows, maybe they'll bring out another one. its not long til release.

>>154010512
I've heard of them. There is an event in EU4 where the Congo adopts Christianity.

I never heard of Barbarossa aside from the WW2 operation. I like that Civ is teaching me about new civs.

>>154010652
>maybe, but kongo was from a special event and not put out on tuesday,
That's exactly what happened last time when they released early. It was from Pax or Gamescon or some shit.

>>154010643
Warrior Caste or Oligarchy?
Yes

2 culture and 1 local happiness per city is very good if you have a lot of cities.

Once you have a unit in every city you can save a lot of money by getting oligarchy.

It was a long time ago, but in that game I think I saved 100 or 200 gpt once I got oligarchy.

>>154010390
We wuz kangz, or so it goes. At some point we should stop saying we wuz and really ask "wuz we?"

>>154009049
>strawmanning
You're bad at this.

>Endless Legend still exists edition
Don't see anyone posting it, are you sure?

>>154010390
>civ wants to have a more diverse roster
>congo is just some shitty huts on a river

>>154008796
Sillicoids

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I like Supreme Commander.

>>154011971
And you have a problem with that I presume.

>>154011971
No different than Zulus

>>154012098
you have good taste

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>>154012098
me too

>>154008796
Chondrichthyes

>>154008796
I'd fuck the one in the top left.

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>>154012384
>two monkeylords
PANIC

>>154012560
FIVE Monkeylords
Still not enough to beat a Galactic Colossus

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>>154012560
Actually 5
made short work of anything that tried to fight them except the swarms of T3 Bombers and Gunships

>>154012109
You sound upset

>>154012270
It's just funny the way they've got them portrayed, as a bunch of jungle savages on a river.

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>>154012858
>FIVE monkeylords
[PANIC INTENSIFIES]

Also, nice map. I'll have to try it once.

>>154012560
Noire is the cutest.

>>154012885
But that's what they were and still are

>>154010512
to be fair I never heared about any sub sahara country leader because they didn't have an impact on the world history outside their own small territory
some brought new reforms or united some tribes, good for them, but they cant be compared to people like Teddy, Bismarck or Elizabeth

>>154013109
she's cute. Who is that?

>>154013008
I think most people had heard of Shaka and the Zulus, and I think I was aware of Haile Selassie but didnt know he was an african
Personally I think they should get Idi Amin or someone for the diversity civ

>>154013304
Death, destroyer of worlds.

>>154013304
white genocide

>>154012040
This.

And perhaps hive-creatures like the Hunters from Halo.

>>154013504
But mankind is already in Stellaris.

>>154013438
>literally me

>>154013006
Pretty sure if you're adding some nignog civilization for DIVERSITY you should at least try to make them look nice

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>>154013334
inb4 Nelson Mandela of the South African civilization, with their rainbow nation bonus

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>>154013884
We're talking about a character who viciously torture a character who kidnapped a child she was taking care of.
In front of said child, traumatizing the kid for life.

We're talking about a character who torture her own friend for hours because she came to her place to complain and whine, until said friend is nothing but a broken record that can't even sit (okay I made that part up, it's not explained what she does exactly).

We're talking about a character who does some unspecified stuff to little kids because they "look cute" and nobody bother to try to stop her or protect them. Two of them end up crying, and one try to run away.

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>11 year war against an aggressive evangelical zealot heavyweight
>Admiral is a tough badass, manages to asspull a solid victory of 2k against 4k (two minor battlestations probably helped)
>Can't repeat that though, every other direct engagement results in a severe beating
>At one point the warscore is 47% against me
>Absolutely exhaust my resources on the fires of war, selling off income and strategic resources to anyone willing to sell me minerals
>Manage to scrape a tie after eleven years of warfare, planets trading hands like bullet ridden cards
>Badass Admiral dies a few months after the war ends, his watch has ended.
>Some of my human population had migrated to worlds once belonging to friendly empires, now enslaved under the iron fist of the foe
>Building up my fleet, stations and armies for Round 2
>I finish researching battleships in 5 months
>Unceasing insults from the antagonist dicks
>They're still Superior in terms of fleet power and capacity
>Ceasefire ends in 2 years

This one is gonna be tight.

>>154013942
If they complain about diversity, you can point at that civ and go "we got that", doesn't matter whether you show them in a good light or realistically (shit)

>>154014231
if you can't win in a stand-up fight, then you have to go more guerrila

destroy all mining platforms and spaceports you find, ambush small fleets and slowly bleed them dry

>>154014618
Can you even go guerilla in Stellaris?

>>154014195
sounds hot.

>>154014720
Nope, mining stations don't generate war score.

>>154014720
Yes

>>154014618
That's exactly how I managed to scrape out a tie the last time. The only engagements I won was whenever I went full blitzkrieg on a minor port of theirs, blockaded the planet for all of two seconds and then led their fleet back to a system of mine littered with defensive stations. And even then it was a close run thing, and didn't always work.

>>154014720
It's easier against an expansionist empire. They don't even build stations for newly acquired territory for a long time, so even a single corvette can technically blockade one of their minor holdings.

And even if the blockade doesn't last (it won't) it distracts their superior fleet from dedicating itself to bombarding YOUR planets at least.

>>154014752
Sounds hot, yeah, but doesn't make sense in game. It's a bit complicated, but logically, all the other character should gang up on her to protect the kids.
They don't for an unknown reason.

>>154014956

Wait, are you fucking serious?

Why the fuck wouldn't it? Even just a small amount, it's literally destroying infrastructure.

Also at least in my head I imagine every science, mineral and energy base to be staffed with a small crew and possibly have a minor starport there that receives shipments of supplies and private vehicles. Blowing up stations is literally killing civilians, even if not many.

>>154015309
it's because she's hot.

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>>154016193
I guess you could say that.

>>154015750
That should be considered an atrocity to target civilians structures.

>>154014618
Destroying mining stations in the first place is pretty pointless. By midgame any empire worth a damn would barely experience a loss even after losing every off-planet mining and research station.

>>154014956
>>154015750
it's even more retarded, because when you capture an enemy system their mining stations suddenly convert to yours, totally different tech just instantly usable by you, so why even destroy them anyway

>this IV drip of information/updates for Stellaris

I CAN'T BE DOING LIKE THIS ANYMORE AAAAHHHHHHH JUST DROP THE PATCH ALREADY I WANT THAT GAME TO BE GOOD

>>154008189
based china. Would this or something similar work with cbp?

>>154016746
> I WANT THAT GAME TO BE GOOD
At the rate they're going it will take a lot of patches to fix that shit.

>>154016825
Why wouldn't it work in cbp?

>>154016871
>patches
Well aren't you the optimist one.

It'll take DLCs to fix it. Non-free DLCs.

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>>154016746
>he thinks a patch will fix it

>>154016871
I want the game to be slightly marginally better*

>>154016918
Just give me more content, it's not like I'm going to buy it anyway

>>154016918
DLC are basically free though since you just pirate them.

>>154016987
>>154017007
>being a filthy poorfag
Disgusting.

Why not just make a special late-game strategic resource to create battleships?

Like call it 'Unobtainium' and it's the only way to move something so large and powerful through warp travel.

That way, even the biggest empires can only field 2-4 battleships unless they trade or conquer for more of them.

>>154016908
happiness works a lot differently, gets harder with more cities to keep happiness up.

>>154017043
t. Johan Johansson

>>154017043
I pirate because I want, not because I can't afford the product. Why the fuck would you spend money on something you can get for free easily?

>>154017107
t. some chinese dickhead

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>>154017043

>>154017043
>Buying Paradox games
>The sama Paradox that goes on a 2 month vacation after releasing TWO (2) major games

are you dumb in the head

>>154017128
>pirate games
>"guise i don't understand why paradox's games are half-done????"

>>154017081
Reading about cbp it says it should make wide and tall equally feasable, and since the general opinion is that tall is better I assume that means it should be making wide easier.

Skimming through the mechanics I don't see how it specifically weakens wide.

>>154017219
They needed the short term income boost to acquire high quality thoroughbred bulls to satisfy their wives.

>>154017294
That's what all you paying retards are for. You keep earning money and paying for games like a good goy so they keep making more.

>>154017128
>Why the fuck would you spend money on something you can get for free easily?

Two reasons mainly.
You value their work and want to reward them.
You want them to keep working so they make more stuff in the furue.

Haven't bought Stellaris though.
I might later, not sure.

>>154017406
>doesn't pay for games
>complain they're getting shittier
Gee, I wonder why...

>>154017107
t. gsg

>>154017506
t. civ4xg pro

>>154017487
Who gives a shit? I don't pay for them. If I don't like a game I can pirate another. I don't have to worry about the industry dying because there's a ton of people who are paying for them and ensuring their continued existence.

>>154017595
Yeah. And you don't have to vote either because other people will vote for you.

You don't have any right to complain about the game if you didn't buy it.

>>154017667
>buy game
>complain about it
>nothing changes
>stop buying games
>keep complaining about them
>nothing changes aside from me still having 60 dollars

hmm I wonder

>>154017667
I can complain and shit on games as much as I want and you can do nothing about it. Well, I guess you can complain.

>>154017768
>>154017798
>that samefagging

>>154017923
Nice MsPaint, samefag.

>>154008189
>turn 732
>only researching steel now
>that low science
why

>>154017826
>Waah I can't justify spending money on games while all these people are getting them for free. I need to abort the conversation.
>I've been here all summer and I'm a 4chan pro, I'll call them samefags.

Look at the post times, 4chan pro.

>>154018106
>strawmanning
>pretend he doesn't post from his phone
Epic.

>>154018149
>Poorfag
>Has phone

;)

>>154017826
>argument BTFO
>I know I'll call them samefags
>26 seconds apart

>>154018149
>Thinking everyone is as pathetic as you and need to support themselves from their phone to make a point.
As expected of buyfags.

>>154018208
>>154018231
>>154018239
>"shit i'm getting rekt"
>"better samefag more"

>BUYING SINGLEPLAYER GAMES

AHAHAHAHAHA YOU MEAN THE GOYIM EMERALDS? AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>154018307
>ONLY BUYING MULTIPLAYER GAMES
You're in the pocket of the jew, nothing more than a slave and not in control of your own destiny.

>>154018292
I guess this level of delusion is needed to be able to buy games, otherwise you wouldn't be able to fool yourself into thinking you aren't a pathetic retard for spending so much money on trash you can download in a matter of minutes for free.

>>154018292
I hope you feel you got your moneys worth :^)

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>>154018292
this fucking guy

Guys, stop bullying the poor kid, or he'll call the cyberpolice.

>>154018509
>He'll have to borrow mommy's credit card to get the Cyberpolice Gold Plus Pack instead of pirating a key

No let's keep doing it, his mommy will be furious

>>154018509
Why do you talk of yourself in the third person?

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What the fuck is going on

This thread would die because of lack of posters while I was browsing it, and now there's drama?

>>154012885
You are in the bad of being with Englishness.

>>154019053
Johan's still on his vaycays

>>154019053
Some samefagging pirate whines about the game being released early to get money but don't understand the relation between him pirating games and games being shittier and shittier.

>>154016269
>>154015309
Isn't Pururut canon bullshit strong? I know in the new games that she can basically solo half the boss fights and everyone is scared shitless of her.

>>154020208
She's OP in my heart

>>154020208
Well, they are scared of her in the lore, but in the actual gameplay, she's kinda versatile, so all the others characters should be able to take on her.
They just never do because the devs can't write good characters.

>>154012887
>>154012858
This map is the 80 km way too big one right?
Playing on those big maps is just pointless since only air units have enough speed to be able to react fast enough. When I played it it just devolved into rushing ahwassas.

>>154018015
The post you are claiming were samefagging weren't even 30 seconds apart. You had no right to make the accusation in the first place. Despite that you did and you were provided a screencap. You are doubly outside of your right to claim samefagging now. Please fuck off and learn some inhibition. Not everyone who disagrees with you is part of a big conspiracy. You shouldn't even be worried about multiple people disagreeing with you. That doesn't make them right.

>>154020618
>80 km
WHAT.

Just to compare, how big is a Starcraft 2 map?

>>154020626
>45 minutes mater
>still mad abot being BTFO'd

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Tempted to use like 400 influence to colonize green.
Orange is just a large world, won't lead to anything else.
Blue has Teldar.

>>154020618
>This map is the 80 km way too big one right?
Yeah that one
and its either Air spam or Nuke Spam
also the lag becomes unbearable by midgame

>>154020738
Think that is big?
Try playing the Sirius starsystem map for Sins of a Solar Empire, THAT shit is big (and unplayable)

So no video release today, ey? I figured as much.

Someone should tell them it is spelled Congo.

>>154022815
Someone should tell them it is spelled Far South Belgium.

>>154022815
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kongo

>>154022962
Wow... the Wikipedia is screwed up too.

How do you guys name your vessels?

I've been trying to think of a unified theme, eleven words or names to use on everything.

Military Vessels:
>Corvette
>Destroyer
>Cruiser
>Battleship

Civilian Vessels:
>Construction Ship
>Science Ship
>Transport Ship
>Colony Ship

Orbital Defenses:
>Defense Platform
>Defense Station
>Fortress

>>154023392
uh, no they didnt. the old kingdom is called the kingdom of kongo. when it was abolished, and after they gained independence, they renamed it to congo.

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>>154023447

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>>154023447
First game I named them after Civ5 leaders.

Bismarck and Elizabeth were Battleships later on.

>>154023473
So the KKK is based on the Kingdom of Kongo?

>>154024373
What is the other K for then?

>>154024438
..
Kingdom of Kongo's Kay?

>>154024438
That's a typo.

>>154025287
>Cletus, you put three K's on the robe
>Yeah?
>It's the Kingdom of the Kongo... there are only two K's.
>Go' dangit.
>Nah nah, it's alright. We'll just roll with it.

>>154024438
The house of Kwilu.

>>154024438
Kingdom of Kongo Kinshasa

>space hippie run
>only use spaceborne alien weapons as soon as you get them
>don't remove most tileblockers, removing slums and such is okay
>spiritualist-pacifist-?
>pacifist monarchy(for Royal Garden)

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Which civ game has the best intro and why is it Beyond Earth?

So we are getting the Zulu still, right?

Who will be the best sub-Saharan civ?

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Why is it impossible for Firaxis to do roads right?

>>154028990
Rhodesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yXDPtTYU9s

>>154028990
Botswana

>>154028454
I really like the collected Civ V intros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyCJhDyWtpI

Follow it up with the BE intro and it is awesome.

>>154028454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LOw52DlkM

>>154030351
>Nazis take over.
>Immediate transition to a science-fiction future.

>>154030705
Call to Power confirmed for the most redpilled game in the series

>>154030790
>redpill
Huh?

>>154031547
hownewru?

>>154031589
I don't speak Tumblr.

>>154031648
desu if anything Redpill is a /tv/ or /pol/ meme.

>>154031648
Nice try, tumblrina.

>>154031681
>desu
Hey, dudeski, this is /vg/, not /jp/.
>inb4 he blames autocorrect or some filter

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>>154031648
The fact that you think redpill is a Tumblr meme at all tells me that you're most likely from Tumblr yourself, since I'm pretty sure even Reddit knows better

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>>154031771
I don't need to blame the filter.

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>try C2C
>'you have researched language'
>'you have researched scavenging'
>'you have researched controlled fire'
>open tech tree because seriously what the fuck
>agriculture is about 100 techs away
This is an amazing idea but it's too autistic for me

>>154032259
>'you have researched breathing'

>>154032259
Haven't played it myself, but the idea just sounds stupid to begin with
The development of all of those things were more or less a result of evolution giving humans greater cognitive capacity than actual technological advancement
That's like you're playing as Homo erectus and you're competing with other Homo erectus populations in trying to evolve into the best species of human, that's just stupid

>>154032638
>Haven't played it myself
Stopped reading there.

>>154032638
>The development of all of those things were more or less a result of evolution giving humans greater cognitive capacity
No. That is not true. All of those things are inventions more than technologies, but they're for the most part not just 'natural' with the exception of the first 5-6 techs.

>haven't played it myself...
Opinion discarded.

>>154032259
This also sounds like it would slow the game too much and I doubt AI can handle this

you know what would be cool
if civs actually spoke different languages, so you'd have to do some actual diplomacy with envoys and shit to learn about them and their language, shit like that

>>154030351
So they are, what, growing aliens in vats... in LEO... for what reason?

Lame intro desu, senpai.

>>154032638
A lot of choices of early man had lasting effects(like hunting a lot of megafauna to extinction instead of domesticating) so I don't find it that crazy to start so early.

>>154032804
>slow the game too much
Kind of its main attraction. The slowest game speed takes 10k turns.
>I doubt the AI can handle this
It actually does, remarkably well in fact. The only problem with the AI is that it has weird priorities on certain buildings.

>>154032259
It isn't for everyone and makes the game more of a simulator than a normal Civ game.

>>154032853
In C2C unless you have certain traits or civics you get a clean penalty to diplomacy for not having diplomats who can speak the language.

>>154032853
>meet new civ
>press end turn
>50 years have passed, you now know their language

>>154008704
1upt is fine
1upt+slow unit movement+quick unit obsoletion is not

Is there anyone who plays CBP that doesn't regularly experience playthrough ending crashes?

>>154020738
the smallest supcom maps are 5kmx5km (sometimes 5km x 3km)
a SC2 map is a little bit bigger than this on average; but not as big as a 10kmx10km supcom map
a 10kmx10km supcom map will usually feel the same size as an average SC2 map though because the spawns aren't normally located at the very edge of the map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxBVc2cSFeI

>>154035343
Goddamn left-wing environmental terrorists.

Murderous peaceniks!

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>>154036263
It isn't

It fucking isn't

How is Stellaris now? I played like 30 hours after the release. Got mad at sector and warfare AI and quit. How are they now? Do they still follow you forever? Do sectors still try to feed the robots?

>>154038664
I believe it's fixed. But the warfare AI still has issues, wait for 1.3

>>154038664
Ai still cant into slaves

>>154039018
My AI uses slaves just fine.

What problems are you experiencing?

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Think this will be implemented?

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Hadn't found an anomaly in a long time, maybe 50 years.
The Myrran Republic had closed their borders to me after I had found an anomaly within their territory.
Over a century later they got annexed and then the borders around their homeworld shrank and it landed within my borders.

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>>154039785
It's Paradox.

>>154039785
>So I can't get myself to care about my leaders.
Sociopath much?

>>154040092
He's not wrong. Leaders are little more than stat multipliers. The worst loss is losing that maniacal genius.

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I've been trying Master of Orion after playing Stellaris for a long time and bad things are happening.
You can't just build a million of the best ships and win a space fight. You to have little turd fighters too.
Just got dumpstered by an AI with like 80 frigates even though they had way less battleships.

Can I jam a million AI into a small map in Stellaris like I can civilization? Fighting over barely any space is a good time.

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>>154040252
>maniacal

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>>154040452
There is probably a mod to increase it but this is the best you can get with 200 stars.

>>154040283
>You can't just build a million of the best ships and win a space fight. You to have little turd fighters too.
Are you sure?
I was watching a video and the guy just blasted everything a part with a deathstar looking thing.

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>>154040452
>>154041173

Use this mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=735035847

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>>154041514
If you're making Deathstars you've already won a Dominion victory anwyays.

So the Prethoryn finally turned up, I've destroyed all the infested worlds and as far as I can see there's no ships left, but I've had no notifications about the crisis being over. Is that normal?

>>154036263
We weren't ready for how good it is.

>>154036263
What's this expansion?

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Firaxis is doing another Livestream tomorrow, what do you think they'll screw up this time?

>>154036263
>>154046809
It's a remake of the original Sid Meier's Colonization as a mod on the Civilization IV engine. You're tasked with, well, colonizing the New World with help from a sponsor nation (and possibly natives and other colonies; they're of varying belligerence), then becoming self-sufficient enough to declare independence and fend off a war from your former sponsor.

One common complaint is that it's an economy-based game with a military victory condition. And also that the original was better.

The Founding Fathers are the inspiration for the Great Person system in Civ VI (set number of them with unique advantages, all colony nations have a shot at the same pool).

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I'm going to have fun with Civ VI and there's nothing they can do to stop it.

>>154048319
Well they could make modding a lot harder than they said it would be.
Playing vanilla is retarded - I wait for C2C Civ VI edition.

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>>154048319
They should do one of these on a recent tim curry picture.

>>154048510
they said it would be a lot easier than civ 5+ multiplayer modding, so it can only improve.

>>154049012
That's not saying much at all.

What happiness penalties do non-collectivist and non-individualists have for having slaves?

>>154049074
>Well they could make modding a lot harder than they said it would be.
they're saying that whatever you said is false

>>154049308
They said modding would be very straightforward iirc. To be better than Civ 5 modding is not the pinnacle of achievement, it's almost as if the game didn't actually support mods natively.

>>154049553
They could add all the mod support they want, people will still whine like they did about Skyrim and like they always do with the workshop.

>>154049683
The Workshop is legit garbage for Skyrim though. As far as Skyrim's modding is concerned I only have two complaints - being x86, and using that fucking TERRIBLE scripting language known as Papyrus.

>>154048308
God, why do all the character models have to look so terrible?

>>154049857
>The Workshop is legit garbage
Stopped reading there.
You hipsters will complain about everything that's too popular.

Can anyone explain diplomacy in Stellaris to me? If I just sit there in my corner of the galaxy minding my own business, every other mother fucker in the galaxy hates my guts for some fucking reason. Then when I decide to kill the stupid fallen empire that fucked with me, everybody else in the galaxy forms up into two alliances and they attack me sequentially. So how do I make nice with the other assholes in the galaxy so they don't want to rip my head off all the time?

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>>154050012
The workshop doesn't work for Skyrim because it doesn't provide easy ways to allow loadorder changing. It packs everything into one massive ESP / BSA and therefore makes modularity impossible. It's extremely difficult to tell what is compatible with what. You cannot use it with SKSE and you cannot install certain mods using it.
Mod Organizer is superior in every way, and I'm betting both Nexus Mod Manager and Mod Organizer have comparable users to the Workshop. Don't talk about shit you don't understand.

>>154050012
He's right though. Size limits make it impossible to host major mods there, there's no way to have multiple versions available or refrain from updating, or having a customizable installer which isn't modded into the game itself, and all of the presentation and community features (including content sorting) are shit.

>>154050190
The year is 2337 for me and I haven't had a war yet.

If the two hegemonic imperialists next to me ally I think I might have a war on my hands though.

>>154050381
Woah, watch out everyone, we have a guy who knows a lot about shit.

>>154050190
What ethoi are you using? Xenophobe pisses people off inherently, and many clash strongly with their opposite. That said, people are in general pretty negative about aliums. If you want to make friends, you need to suck their dicks then get into long-term relationships which build trust over time.

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what did he mean by this?

>>154050608
Most of the Skyrim fanbase realizes that the Workshop is garbage. You're the one playing the hipster game here.

>>154050704
>Most of the Skyrim fanbase
Friendly reminder that you =/= most of the fanbase.

>>154050685
What do you mean, what did he mean? It seems pretty straightforward to me.

>>154050806
Refute the problems I stated then. You can't because it is literal fact.

>>154050806
>top mod from skyrim workshop
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=20709&searchtext=
1,163,040 Current Subscribers
1,981,742 Unique Visitors
>top mod from skyrim nexus
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3863/?
3,837,289 UNIQUE D/LS
12,949,350 TOTAL D/LS

>>154050873
>insult and call names everyone who doesn't agree with him
>still wants respect
Nah, mate, get fucked. Respect is two-sided, if you shit on me and belittle me, I see no reason to take your seriously.

>>154051012
>The workshop doesn't work for Skyrim because it doesn't provide easy ways to allow loadorder changing. It packs everything into one massive ESP / BSA and therefore makes modularity impossible. It's extremely difficult to tell what is compatible with what. You cannot use it with SKSE and you cannot install certain mods using it.
I don't see any insults here. Fuck off back to /mbg/ with you baiting shit.

>>154051069
>"Fuck off you shit"
>"NO SIRE I SEE NO INSULTS THERE"
Yep. I see you reached your wits' ends. That's sad.

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>>154051259

>>154050660

I've tried a couple different ethoi (ethoses?). Recently I went with an individualist/Militarist/Materialist empire that really seemed to piss everybody off. Nobody seemed to mind my fanatical spiritualist/militarist empire though.

Anyway, are you saying I literally have to slap independence guarantees on everybody I want to make good with before they become massive super powers?

>>154051393
Yeah, that's the best way right now unfortunately. The game should be treated as a beta until Wiz is done fixing what the previous design lead wrought.

>>154050660
>and many clash strongly with their opposite.
Militarists don't hate pacifists is one of the exceptions.

Honorbound Warrior personality hates pacifists though.

>>154051393
Ethics.

>>154051393
Ethopodes

>>154031648
I like this post. This is a nice post

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>>154052023

>>154051546
No, that's the plural of "ethic" not of "ethos".

>>154051945
That would be multiple beings wherein the ethos of their feet is the most distinctive identifier.

So I don't really play 4x so where do I start?
I also like Sci-fi more than other genres so are there any good beginner friendly sci fi 4x games?

>>154052154
Avoid the Endless serie. They have an atrocious way of handling difficulty that will give you really bad habits.

>>154052236
What's wrong with how the Endless series handles difficulty?

>>154052154
Try Master of Orion 2, Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri or Call To Power

>>154052154
Play Civ 5.

>Decide to try stellaris
>Make a Vril-ya custom race, cuz muh autistic rp
>Name my home planet "Hyperborea"
>go see names of other planets from my system...
>Agartha
>Hesperos
>Melpomenia
>asteroid called fucking "OD1N-9000"
>Nova Constantinople

have I stumbled on some easter egg? how the fuck did they managed to give me such perfect names for muh galactic master race roleplay?

>>154052154
Try Civilization 5 (and the expansions) and Master of Orion (2016). They're built for retards and can help you get into the series.

>>154052092
Ethocucks.

>>154009875
>Stellaris discussion belongs in /gsg/
Stellaris is literally the reason this general came back from the dead

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>>154030705

>>154053145
When will I get sex robots that aren't horrifying to look at?

>>154013942
what do you want, mudhut skyscrapers and fancy suits made out of straws?

>>154040468

>Niggas on 13 already

God damn, I'm so happy Stellaris has these multiple research things. I love the idea of super overpowered end game nations.

>>154053145
God that chart is awful. It managed to be even worse than the one it's parodying.

Would you play a nongraphical/text based 4x game, /civg/?

>>154053867
Only if there was sex in it too.

>>154053575
Kind of the point.

>>154053867
That's basically Aurora.

>>154053867
Probably not.

I'm require at least Master of Magic graphics.

>>154053374
>what do you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSD75pPsquM

>>154053867
to be perfectly honest, I've been looking for a game like that since I got bored with Dorf Fort. text based graphics are just so aesthetically pleasing.

I tried to play classic Empire, but I could only get the graphical version running :(

>>154039785
So actual CK2 in space

>>154052612
The AI is the same in the different levels, you just get various bonuses/maluses depending from the difficulty.
So you never have any clear idea of how efficient your buildings or units are since everything is fucked up.

what 4x game would you recommend to someone who first 4x game was civ V BNW?

>>154056232
Master of Magic.

>>154056232
Depends. What do you want? Something focused on combat? Fantasy? Sci-fi?

>>154056474
I would like something either more combat oriented or with more city micromanagement and exploration

>>154056852
For Combat oriented stuff, there's Warlock-Master of the Arcane, but the city developement is minimal.
There's also Age of Wonders, it has complex battles, à la Heroes of Might and Magic, but the city management is also reduced.

I dunno, I can't think of any 4x with good city micromanagement. Maybe Endless Legend, but the micromagement is reduced to "move pop to ressources" and "put district here".

>>154056852
>more combat oriented
Age of Wonders, Master of Magic
>more city micromanagement
Master of Magic

>>154057139
>>154057226
thanks, will look into those games

>>154023447
My current theme is fire.
>Corvettes: Ash, Cinder
>Destroyers: Hearth, Bonfire, Firepit
>Cruisers: Pyre, Blaze, Flare
>Battleships: Inferno, Eruption, Backdraft

>Constructor: Charcoal burner
>Science: Torchbearer
>Transport: Mote
>Colony ship: Kindling

>Platform: One-Alarm
>Station: Three-Alarm
>Fortress: Five-Alarm

>>154057816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk75WJCwbw

Gwyn please...

>>154055617
Would be an improvement by far.

>>154053867
Yes.

>>154055432
Try Aurora. Installing it might be a pain in the dick but once you get past the hurdles of how to do things its actually kind of fun.

earlier today I was futzing with my 4xgAAR game and developing better sensors and missiles for the corporate-earth game I have going. I genuinely enjoyed trying to figure out an optimal configuration by trial-and-error.

So now I have 6MSP missiles that have a warhead strength of 9, speed of 19.2km/s and a range of 72m km which is just 8 or so million more than my missile fire controls. Next I have to get active sensors that can actually see that far. won't be hard I'll just make stupid-huge ones.

>>154060250
>Try Aurora
Why would you suggest that game to anyone who's new to 4X?

It's like starting drugs with cocaine.

>>154060562
oops. I guess I missed the 4x newbie context there.

I don't really know of any newbie-friendly low-graphic or text-based 4x games.

4x games I know of that are friendly to new players are the Civ games.

>>154053145
What the fuck kind of axis is 'scientific advancement?'
There cannot be people who look at this graph and think it's accurate to any standard, right?
Please say yes I need to sleep tonigt

>>154062612
You're pretty new

>>154008423
C2C is truly amazing, and I like playing it, however, doesn't it break down once you reach the modern age?

>>154062895
>You're pretty new
Undoubtedly.

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>>154064049
It lags to all shit by then if that's what you mean

>>154065084
I heard cities started to break and stop producing tech points.

Not that I will ever get to Modern age anyway, usually play 3 to 5 thousand turns before just giving up

>>154065916
I've gotten to about 1300 before I decided taking 4 minutes a turn was a bit much
Curse me for having a boner for Gigantic-Eternity maps.
bullying Joan of Arc gave me a raging boner

>>154065989
Sometimes I think about doing something about that. The idea of C2C is cool, but the coding behind it all is too much of a patchwork.

>>154066269
I've edited some of the shit already to tweak the balance
I've also changed some of the portrait pictures to better looking ones (mainly the ones that are just still frames from Civ IV and V).
I really wish I could fuck Joan, the portrait art of her is really cute

>>154024438
KINGDOM OF KONGO KINGS

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>>154066569
>kangz

>>154010390
They aren't being argued about because they actually seem interesting. If we come at it from the perspective of 'they're just there for pandering,' they don't really fit the narrative: he's dressed in his native apparel (i.e. 'savage') and his entire set of tools seems squarely focused on aggressive reappropriation and co-option of other societies' cultural and religious ideas. You know, the things that Tumblr's always screaming about white/western people doing. They sincerely seem to be present because he is an interesting leader, and the circumstances of Kongo an interesting option for a civilization.

>>154066847
they lost their language along the way

kongo a shit

>>154067035
It's an interesting gameplay element that hasn't been tried in a leader before, to be sure.

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RIP earth.

>>154070795
So, the sjws won I see.

>>154070795
>>154071214
Turkey_wins_ww3.gif

>>154029170
FUCK GODDAMNIT SHIT. and those improvement tiles get their roads by default right?

I wasn't in love with the circular spaghetti around cities in VI but I thought that shit at least connected properly.

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I'm ready to call it quits. Stellaris AI is just so annoying it hurts.

>at mid/early endgame
>a few 30k power fleets tooling around my primary worlds
>some uppity jackass declares war on me for polar opposite ethos
>let him plow through my borders and into the teeth of my defense stations
>back them up with a fleet from half a system away with torpedoes and kinetic artillery
>they blew their entire wad in the first wave, everything else is 5-10k strength
>clean up and go on a genocidal rampage into their territory
>War Declaration
>this fucking shit, one of the adv start AIs that is still ahead of me in fleet power wants my balls on a plate
>multiple 60k+ fleets
>bomb my core worlds into the fucking stone age before I can recall fleets from across the goddamn map

>>154075263
Stellaris is fucking shit. Systems should have some kind of defence. It is too fucking easy to take a planet.

>>154075484
We definitely need structures that can shoot shit in orbit.
The problem is that defense stations are unreliable at best unless you saturate every goddamn system between your border and core with them.

Does anybody else dislike the army system, specifically, in Stellaris?

Why is it just a generic unit to be built? I'd like it a lot more if it was created from pops on a planet- you'd have to do a conscription action or something similar with militaristic, strong and very strong pops having advantages. I'd also like a bit of cool strategy in the biomes- make it that troops are strongest on their biome types. So Artic troops obviously get a bonus to invading artic planets and such.

The reason why I think this would be a good change is this could directly make war-weariness more of a thing. Instead of just building and being forced to maintain large army units that nobody wants to do; (since people barely use them anyway) making them into a on-demand resource, not a mineral/energy credits drain.

>>154077482
I don't even use armies they are so pointless.

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How worried should I be? Can droids get corrupted by the machine uprising or is it just synths?

I basically have droids doing everything to do with minerals, as well as all my armies, leaving my actual citizens to live in a post scarcity utopia devoting their time to research and energy production. I even have planets composed of nothing but droids (colonizing tomb worlds for free minerals/spaceport)

Purging robots at this time would cripple my economy and shrink my population by a third at least.

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>>154077578
I don't use armies when I go to war. I just take out the enemy fleet, knock out every last piece of orbital infrastructure, and then park a corvette on top of every colony until they say uncle.

>>154077578

That's what I'm trying to say. If you made armies something you raise at will, then send them along to enemy planets. Maybe that's the other way to make them more useful; make it required to have an army on a planet to cede or liberate a planet as a war goal.

>>154078152
it's just synths

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>>154078526
Okay.

Are there any disadvantages to this kind of droid spam provided I make sure each planet has enough power plants to pull it's own weight and devote all the organics to power and research?

I'm assuming droids count as pops for the research penalty, how does that work? Do I even need any more research once I have battleships and tachyon lances?

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>>154078842
not really apart from the energy costs which can quickly add up with planets and planets full of bots. Sometimes pops with the rights traits can produce more minerals than bots too so think of that. pic related

Droids count as pops yes,you always need more research until the only research you can get is like +5% to various things like energy damage, energy credits, border range, etc.

>>154028454
Civilization Call To Power 1 is my favourite intro cutscene of any game ever.
Beyond Earth's is shit. Even just amongst sci-fi civs, SMAC's is way better.

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Anyone else here play Master of Orion? Are the Terran always huge cockholes no matter what?

>>154023447
>>154024031
I name my ships after star systems along the contested borders I intend them to fight over.
Stations might get the name of an inner star system they're designed to defend.

>>154078430
Ironically this is the best policy because quite often blockade is worth more warscore than occupation.

Which is ridiculously stupid.

They really need to bring back CK2 / EUIV-style ticking warscore, where the occupation of worlds named in the war goals sends your score up the longer you hold them. 'Cos at the moment there's no point in even going to the systems that are actually contested: it's much more efficient just to follow the enemy fleets around blowing them up.

>>154079965
>quite often
Every time. I think a blockade is worth twice more than occupation, unless they have changed it with recent updates.

>>154079694
Well you are wrong.

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So all this discussion about Stellaris and how it could be improved make me really want to make my own, but I love the Ethics wheel and imagine if I tried to copy it I'd get sued.

What do? I really like that damn wheel.

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>>154081718
The ethics wheel is shit, m8. Even on a roleplay level it does a piss-poor job of representing anything beyond a very basic summary of the ideologies they're named after.

You're better off working on something else that does its job better.

>>154081938

Like what? I have yet to see any system that is as close as that at being able to sum up just about any ideology or society.

>>154082168
Ask /tg/, they love that kind of shit.

>>154081718
Agree with >>154081938, the ethics wheel is bad, because when you can just paste an ideology on top of a species they all become same-y and forgettable.

Civ's system is better, where Zulus are always nignoging about, Alexander always goes Delphian League, etc. Actually gives your opponents some meta predictability and personality.

I really think Stellaris should have had premade races as the default setting. The current 'Lol rAndUm' method where all your opponents are mix-n-match races & ideologies game-to-game means none of them stick in the memory, because yhey ate literally just a collection of traits.

A few Always Chaotic Evil ones would vastly improve things.

>>154075651
Wait... Stellaris doesn't have any system defences?

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>>154082332

Somewhat related; has anybody else noticed the trend of the same species trends in every damn space game.

Every single game without fail has;
>Warlike/Powerful Reptillians
>Honorabu Bears/Big mammals
>Shapeshifter diplomat race
>Neurotic birdlike race, usually religious
>Rock/Crystal people

I swear to God every space game has this same list of races to make.

>>154082354
Stellaris has space-to-space defences in the form of fortress stations with minefileds and shit.
I think the anon meant he wanted "Ground to space missiles", which currently do not exist.

>>154082494
It's a checklist. If you don't have these races someone breaks your legs.

>>154078445
I like the ideas you're proposing, but with the way ground combat as a system works, it would still amount to just hp bars ticking at each other.
And it doesn't solve the more cost-efficient method of just (slowly) glassing planets with solitary corvettes.

>>154083761

Well then honestly they should have just gone for JUST space combat, or beefed up the ground combat.

Just using spaceships to bomb/attack and conquer enemies would be mostly fine since the game has such an emphasis on ship building and such anyways. The Strong and Very Strong traits could just give more free planet fortification, or even reduce pop unhappiness from a siege which might even be better then how it is now.

OR what they could have done is required ships to need special [B] bombing weapons to attack planets. The ship to ship lasers, cannons, and rockets are not suitable for bombing huge planets.

So this means you'd have two military fleets minimum, a ship to ship fleet and an invasion fleet with bombers and troopers. As long as some bombing stuff was available early game (ie; rods from god or one type specific to each weapon type) it would mean they'd be useful at all eras and you'd probably build a few corvettes with them early game if you're going for conquering victories.

>>154082332
Paradox needs to make greater use of dropdown menus rather than handle things by randomize buttons or hidden weights. Selecting an AI personality for instance would add a lot of structure to race creation and gameplay overall, instead it's just weighted shit that happens automatically.

>>154082494
Ultimately, compelling races doesn't amount to much if the diplomacy and civ interaction remains shit.

Every diplomatic interaction in stellaris makes me feel like I'm playing a neutered civ clone.

And as far as I can tell, the ethics you use to introduce yourself to a new civ don't fucking matter.

>>154084756
>the ethics you use don't fucking matter
fixed

>>154085942
They do though, you can min/max some broken shit or use broken slavery and purging.

>>154085993
I meant in relation to other civs at all. And yeah the only useful thing ethics give you is purging, the rest don't really matter much internally.

>>154086228
+15% happiness from pacifism is breddy gud.
Xenophiles being able to build the visitor's center and attract a fucktonne of ayys WOULD be good if more than about a sixth of other empires ever allowed migration.

I guess my point is that I do actually notice the bonuses, but they're not bonus-y enough to actually alter your playstyle, which is what they should be doing.

Although this may be more down to the fact that there's only one way to get ahead in Stellaris, and that's by becoming a Civ V AI and DoWing anyone near your borders, regardless of politics, all the time. It's hard for ethics to nudge you towards a different win condition when there IS only one win condition.

>>154086925
>they're not bonus-y enough to actually alter your playstyle
Exactly my point. Even as pacifist I find myself declaring war on people because there's nothing else to do and I'm fucking bored. Federations are fucking useless too so you're right there's only one victory condition. Roleplaying is fun for a while but eventually there's nothing else to do except blob to the other side of the galaxy.

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So I'm assuming that one red system is the synthetics.

My long term rivals to the "south" suddenly opened their borders for some reason. I assume it has something to do with the Robot rebellion, but A) I'm between them and it, not the other way around, and B) I'm a materialist scum

Unfortunately the empire actually effected by this still have their boarders closed, or I'd try swooping in right now. I guess I'll wait. Is it a bad idea to declare war on them to get them to open their borders?

>>154087301
>2445
>fleet 240/283
what the fuck