/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

Repostan in new bread for my OpMo:
Hep suits my fancy more, but i have some questions about him not answered fully by learndb
>Frail 1
Is it permanent or curable by curemut or leaving him after his wrath expires?
>Best ancestor for Octopode
Which is it? Is the ancestor an Octopode too (so terrible AC)? Which one is able to carry my ass till i can stand on my own tentacles?
>Experience gain
Is it halved as for any summon if my ancestor does all the work?
>Skill training
Do i train a ranged weapon/spell skill once i got my ancestor, or do i pump everything in invocations to make him immortal and just sit back till i find decent items?
>Healing the ancestor
Is the Heal ability spammable (within the limits of reason)? Or will my piety get fucking destroyed after 3-4 casts?

How do lajatangs even work? Do you thrust them like some double-ended spear?

>>153769541
you twirl them like a cheerleader

>>153769069
the frail isn't a normal mut and doens't interact with curemut at all

it's the same as being slow while worshiping chei or loud with qazlal: it goes away when you stop worshiping

the ancestor is a generic human no matter who you are

i think you get full xp, not sure tho

>>153769541
You use them the same way you'd use a quarterstaff except it has blades on it

Advanced techniques for polearms and staves look quite similar, actually. That's even how you train to use a spear

No dickery.

>>153770016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRExAalYeM

Spear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uja1TNNNko4
Quarterstaff

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xth for yrede

>>153771694
Stop fucking posting this shit if you aren't going to fix it you ANUS

>>153771694
Why the fuck don't you take 5 goddamn minutes and fix that shit if you care so much about it, you lazy sack of shit.

>>153771757
>>153771897
didnt make it, not going to fix it
whatcha gonna do

>>153771996
Nothing, but you look like a doofus with MiBe tablord IQ, just sayin.

>>153772324
What's wrong with it?

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>>153772324
But I AM the MiBe

>>153772714
>(a|A)non

>>153773265
Don't make a fool of yourself if you don't know what that means.

>play caster character
>pain in the ass until after Lair, possibly 2-3 shotted by many dangerous monsters unless gargoyle
>fight caster ghost
>feebly attempt to fend off a god

>>153774506
I wish at least some of basic god abilities carried over to ghosts.

>>153774040
I told him to put in (a|A)non when he was originally making it, instead of %playername%.

I assumed he would put in either anon or Anon like a sensible person and not copy-paste my recommendation.

>>153776271
Hah. I'm actually used to it being used like this.

How much Int do i need to reach max spellpower if i have wild magic 3 + Majin Bo? (and assuming all skills at 27)

>>153777040
That is a really complicated algebraic equation.

>>153777040
Okay well I tried and got 7.3.

>>153776271
>sensible person
>MiBe

>>153777040
dev.berotato.org

kill me

>>153778176
what's the equation and where from

does VS bite have anything to do with unarmed?

>>153779453
No, but the bite has good synergy with unarmed due to the fast attack speed that's also available in the early game.

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holy shit that was a very intense orb run

>>153778810
Sequell casts a spell. Anonymous is cast into beam.cc!

>>153779720
ah okay ty!

>>153777040
assuming 27 all skill Deep Elf with :

5 str, 40 int, 15 dex
1 wild magic mutation
robe of archmagi
hat of the high council
Fire Storm Spellpower : 200 / 200
Damage : 8d26

5 str, 40 int, 15 dex
no mutation
robe of archmagi
hat of the high council
Fire Storm Spellpower : 185 / 200
Max Damage : 8d24

5 str, 40 int, 15 dex
Fire Storm Spellpower : 133 / 200
Damage : 8d17

Majin-bo will kill you with -9 HP for each fire storm casting.

>>153777040
>>153779049
Nevermind it's 37 (actually slightly under that, but INT is an int).

The equation is:
(50)log2(1+[(x/10)(27/2+27)(1.5^4)]/50) = 200
and you solve for x.
Source is https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#spell_power

>>153779776
all dem drained stats

There's something kinda funny about an iron imp being the last thing you see of what happened to be a very intense orb run.

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I-is this the right place to ask a thing?

I want to explore a gloomy cave and fuck up some monsters but simple graphics and ambient sounds would be really nice and I don't want nightmare tier time/resource management... Is there a baby's first roguelike kind of like this? Should I try a different general?

>>153780347
Most roguelikes don't really have sounds

Maybe try Dungeon Crawl, it's pretty simple and fun.

>>153780347
I would recommend Infra Arcana as its one of the few RLs which uses sound, but it's like 70% resource management and pretty hard.

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>>153780347
DCSS probably has the prettiest tileset there is, but no sounds.
ToME has sounds, but is not as pretty as DCSS.
Same for ADoM.

>>153780347
Most roguelikes don't have sound. There's DoomRL, I guess, though it's Doom, not beating up rats in a cave.

>>153780260

I was literally at 7 hp 3 tiles away from 2 golden dragons and an ordinary lich and I only got decreased to 5 hp when I walked up the stairs (there's ton of enemies killer clown, moth of wrath, draconian annihilator etc.upstairs also). Even the local Muhammad would convert to Christianity if this happened to him.

>>153780557
>>153780662
>>153780690
>>153780719
O-okay... I'm sorry...

>>153781136
Please don't roleplay in the thread unless you are going to be creative about it.

>>153780242
wild magic isn't an enhancer it's a separate bonus: x1.9 spellpower for WM3

and it should be (27/2 + 2*27)

so actually it's

(50)log2(1+[(x/10)(27/2+27)(1.5)(1.9)]/50) = 200

aka [(x/10)(27/2+27)(1.5)(1.9)] = 750

you hit max spellpower at 39 int with wild magic 3 and 1 enhancer

before the wild magic nerf it would have been 29 int

>>153781376
What?

>>153781136
play IA retard

>>153779720
Much better synergy with quick blades though.

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someone has a nice demonspawn going on xtahua, so i'm not gonna play and ruin it

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>VsSk
HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIT

>>153781505
Ah, I see.
What did wild magic do before?

>>153781890
guessing it gave more power per level of the mut

>>153781605
How so? Quick blades has pretty piss poor damage and I don't think the bite can pull it's weight alone even if the blade has something like elec on it. Fists are better due to how you effectively have anti magic branded hands, a trait that is so good late game which is where unarmed really shines.

>>153782328
Yeah, looks like it's +50% power to +30% power.

Would there be any interest if I were to make a roguelite recommendation pastebin?

I know we all want to try keep discussion of 'em out of the threads and hate the term, but I think it might still be useful - if even only to make it less likely people ask for recs of them or for opinions on 'em in the threads.

>>153782926
No.

Trying a DeFe of Sif Muna, do i train Invo with her? Or do i keep focusing on magic skills and then train Invo only when my spells are online?

>>153782926
I'd be interested in hearing your recs but not in including them in the OP.

I feel it'd just cause more offtopic discussion rather than stem the flow of it.

>>153782926
This is not the roguelite general.

>>153782926

Please don't make this.

>>153780196
Does Majin Bo take HP away while in Death's Door? If it doesnt, does it still grant the increased Spell Power, or is the bonus applied only after the staff takes HP from you?

>>153783240
>>153783212
>>153783186
>>153783045
Alright, message received. Won't make one.

>>153783212
Is there even any such thing?

>>153784306
There was. A general will often roll around for a while when a very popular roguelite is released, but they inevitably die out due to the nature of the games and the players they attract.

>>153784306
All games played here are roguelites masquerading as roguelikes

>>153783417
>Does Majin Bo take HP away while in Death's Door?
No

>If it doesnt, does it still grant the increased Spell Power, or is the bonus applied only after the staff takes HP from you?
The bonus is passive, it still grant Archmagi in Death's Door status.

>>153784306
No, which is kinda unfortunate tbqh since it'd divert offtopic shit from here pretty well and would give a home to a lot of interesting games without generals.

But unfortunately there's just no deducated enthusiast community for them like there are Roguelikes since they vary wildly.

Binding of Isaac is nothing like Spelunky which is nothing like Invisible Inc which is nothing like FTL which is nothing like Captain Forever Remix which is nothing like etc. You just can't build a general on such a broad category of games.

>you made a modest sacrifice
well fuck you too bitch

I'm gonna try a challenge run of DCSS:

SpMo of Chei, no spellcasting allowed

>>153784861
yawn

>>153784861
Uh,...I don't fucking care..? Idiot??

>>153785098
Please don't type like this, faggot.

>>153785098
>>153785046
No bullying, you sluts.

>>153785098
Here's that back the fuck off guy !?!?

>>153785256
*control blinks behind you*

>>153785098
For the second time, no roleplaying.

>>153785350
*slams you with dark maul*
heh, nothing personnel kid

Sorry to be a little spoon-feed seeker bitch. I'm the SpEn guy from last thread. Does the following sound like a not retarded plan?
>Git 8 stealth and fighting, learn all spells in Mal
(>Worship Ok until artefact dagger, robe, hat and cloak)
>Learn Useful spells like Repel Missile, various blinks, Invisibility
>Clear mines
Then what?

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>>153785560
heh

that was just my illusion

>>153785729
??spen

>>153780347
I wish Brogue had those, it'd be pretty perfect (wait, no, it's got a nightmare food clock, nevermind)

>>153785729
Don't worship Okawaru unless you plan on staying with him forever, a SpEn cannot survive his wrath

>>153785729
hyperpath:
dungeon to lair, don't pass d:10 unless you have to because d:11 is the point where many vaults becomes much more dangerous
clear lair
clear orc
clear dungeon
pick a lairbranch based on your character's strengths, usually you want to do the waterbranch first, clear to branch:3
do branch:4 if your character can handle it, else do poisonbranch:1-3
get a rune
clear vaults 1-4
clear depths
clear vaults:5, or get abyssal/slime/tomb if playing a character that would have an easier time doing those than v:$
read ?mapping to skip as much of zot as possible
take orb
ascend

>>153786087
And sprigganed: >>153785827

>>153785729
>>153785827 this seems about right
hibernation + confuse will basically carry you all the way through L + V + even U
I'd recommend jiyva as a god

>>153786125
Brogue does have tiles. No sound though.
They are also Oryx's tiles, so quite decent, if minimalistic.
The food clock is also really lenient once you've played a few times.

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>>153786160
>tomb
>3rd rune

but why

>>153786459
If you have silence+haste castable, good melee/ranged, and darkness/nightstalker(optional but nice to have), Tomb is actually hilariously easy.

>>153786459
For some specific character situations it can be the easiest 3rd rune. Most of the time, it isn't.

>>153786459
>>153786641
Whoops, pressed enter too soon.
You still probably wouldn't want to 3rd rune tomb, just like you wouldn't want to do the water branch first necessarily (shoals is unanimously known as harder than all other lair branches).

>>153786779
Shoals is easier than nuspider by a lot. Fastmove entropy weavers that spam are possibly the most dangerous lairbranch monster in nucrawl.

Shoals can also be easier than nusnake. This depends on your character.

>>153783160
Get spells online (it shouldn't take too long) then put 5 or so in invo by Vaults. More if you're really hurting for MP for some reason.

>>153787364
I vehemently disagree.

>>153787969
you mean shithemently
get it
because vehumet is shit

>>153787364
>>153787969
it all depends on your character
if you are somewhat stealthy, shoals is quite easy
if you're megatank CPA with -stealth, and no EV, then yeah, shoals is hard.

for spriggans, i think shoals is the easiest branch

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>activate altar to see what it does
>turn into a girl, lose 1 Strength, gain nothing
I probably deserved that.

>>153788295
>gain nothing
You are now cute though.

>>153788295
Charisma is a stat, and it did not increase.

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I want this meme to end

This comment >>153788515 was aimed at >>153788382

>>153788515
Charisma is your force of personality. Has nothing to do with being cute or not.

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>>153788657
>ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside

>>153788529
Train Transmutations then, dummy.

>>153788826
It's at 24% failrate. It's not amazing but it's still ridiculous for it to fail 4 times in a row

>>153788085
>because nuHumet/Dontemet is shit
Fixed

Summoning power, manacost reduction and guaranteed good books never 4get

Is anyone having issues with webtiles and the numpad? Certain keys seem not to work when doing ctrl + direction and I have to turn it on and off. It's getting obnoxious

just won a KoCK
if I win the next game I'll try a DECK of nemelex for the third game
what should my next game be? HOMo?

>>153789924
HOMo is actually incredibly strong if you are playing trunk because you can start axes, and the piety boost synergises with that DANK +3 Invoc apt.
Should be easy to streak 'cus of HO's inherent goodness.
DECK^Nem sounds incredibly difficult.

>>153789924
FeAr

>>153790446
>FeAr HOMo KoCK
Looks like you'll need to time travel back and do the streak in the right order.

Are summoners any fun?

>>153791346
definitely not.

>>153791346
Summoners haven't been fun since the version summon small mammals could make orange rats. Thanks devs

>>153791346
what game
if DCSS no
try out FeSu using only summoning spells, no melee, no spells without summoning as a school

>>153791154
>not FeAr MiNe HOMo KoCK
c'mon step it up

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I sure hope I won't waste all this luck. Demon blade is from acquirement I was panic reading while trying to find a teleport, ring mail is from Oka.

>last items not yet recognized : scroll of acquirement
>a scroll labeled DAFUAV VO DAAN
>37 gold

time to buy this shit, acquire quickblade and brand it with pain.
>got twisted lajatang
fuck this shit, I'll just brand a rapier.

>>153793723
DeSu

>>153790374
Decks of summoning are crazy good, so it's only a matter of surviving until Nemelex and Xom's "anger".

>>153793808
That's a weird behaviour considering the last unrecognized scroll is immediately recognized on sight if it's lying on the ground.

>>153793808
>tfw 2 ?acq when worshipping lugonu
>"i will finally achieve the qblade of distort dream"
>get a quickblade
>it's a randart with a shitty brand

>>153793778
daymm thats one hella good ring mail

>>153794180
No, the last unidentified scroll is on a shop for 37 gold so I know it's scroll of acquirement.

>>153794225
Fuck weapon acquirement, really.
I'll acquire /hw next time.

>>153794535
*hecka

>>153793723
>tfw not a Crawl player
>see this
SOMEONE EXPLAIN

I kinda figure it's the name of a playable race + class but it's still really fucking confusing and hilarious

>>153795498
FeAr is a Felid Artificer
MiNe is a Minotaur Necromancer
HoMo is a Hill Orc Monk
KoCK is a Kobold Chaos Knight

>>153795498
Winning four games in a row: a Felid Arcanist, Minotaur Necromancer, Hill Orc Monk, and finally a Kobold Chaos Knight.
HOMo HOAr KoCK MuSk

>>153795660
>Arcanist
what fucking game are you playing

>>153796107
Dicks Crusade: Semen Stew of course, the same game you're playing

I have a DgTm problem. By the time I can cast blade hands and get the character really going, I'm so fucking bored of the character I splat to dumb shit.

>Xom can give you a freaking potion of experience effect.
This is awesome.

>>153797228
frickin*

>>153797308
You're not funny, you dumb shitposter.

>>153797428
Never reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>153797489
Oh yawn.

>>153797428
poopposter*

>>153796107
Artificer

>>153797715
Canonically it should be sh*tposter.

>>153797997
What's a shotposter?

>>153798593
pelletposter*

>>153798593
*rukposter

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Jesus fuck I'm too used to ogres, this is ridiculous.

>>153797193
So do you have a question or are you just blogposting about one of your thousands of characters

>>153797193
this is a crawl problem not a drtm problem

>>153800251
>blogposting
It's a two line post which does not give any information other than I've been playing DgTm

As for a question: Yes, how to not die of boredom while playing DgTm. I felt that was implicit

>>153797193
That's because early game is the most interesting part. Solutions include trying challenge runs and not playing Crawl until you actually want to play it.

>>153800574
yea it's a crawl problem not a DeTr problem

>>153786259
Who to start off as? Should I go straight to Slime Lord or should I go with Nemlex until Slime Pits? I see him as good bc many panic buttons make life easier.

>>153800963
pick a god with easy wrath like ru or xom

>>153797715
Gargoyleposter***

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So, I noticed that Shadow of the Wyrm got an update today. How is that game?

Why are minotaur/gargoyle/troll players even allowed to post?

>>153801670
AHHHHHHHH

>>153801670
you opened this in MS notepad didn't you
dumb gargposter

>>153801670
It was an incredibly unbalanced game last I played it but it was so early alpha that's irrelevant.

I random character of first god'ed into DDWa of Nemelex, but I pussied out after lair and switched to Makhleb

Where are my Elixir Cards

>>153805886
It's Wn for Wanderer

Read the changelog, there's been a lot ofreworkds and merge/cut cards

>>153806420
>there's been a lot ofreworkds
anon i think you might be having a stroke

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Aroo!

wait so do bites/headbutts/scratches add on to your weapon attack?

>>153782926
Stop posting any time.

>>153811434
They're attacks on the side and are shit unless you're stacking slaying gear + song of slaying. You also take obscene hits to your resists and ac keeping gear off.

>>153788295
MINUS 4 (FOUR) STRENGTH

>>153811953
ah okay ty!

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I hate spriggans with huge EV.

>>153815104
I hate myself too.

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Methinks the game wishes for this Ogre to be a spellcaster

>>153815104
>XL21, 26 EV

>>153815104
So that's how this level looks like. I always skip it because fuck spriggans.

don't die

+4 EV or +4 DEX? Honestly EV seems way better.

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The wizard starting spellbook is the best starting spellbook. Behold!

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I've never been able to actual tab with a bow before. I'm going to slap myself silly if I let this splat.

>>153822278
ev is better unless the +dex actually gives you 3-4 ev

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>>153822314
Poisoner's Handbook > Book of Minor Magic

>>153822441
>-MR
>no splat
heh

>>153823294
t.Wraith.

>>153822441
Song of slaying and haste helps a lot

>>153824069
>It's an undead floor

Wh-Whatever I'm sure the Temple didn't spawn there

Can't really go wrong with a spell that kills everything not-undead in the LOS at 11% success on D:2

>>153822314
>>153823294
that isn't the book of frost

>>153825025
Miscast Icicle: The Book

>>153825103
you're supposed to use the good level 4 spell, throw icicle is just so you can train conj if you need it

>>153825165
Iceyak isn't going to get you through Lair like Fireball or Radiance is. That's still early game to me.

>>153825267
assuming you don't have zero weapon skill like a dummy it will definitely get you through lair. you are also much more likely to get to lair in the first place

>>153825371
>i want all my crawl characters to play exactly the same because muh winrate

>>153826669
i almost never pick IE because it's easymode, same with gods like fedhas trog and yred.

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>>153827034
>fed
>easymode
>lategame

>>153827254
if you didn't waste your fruit fedhas has the easiest zot 5 in the game, setting up a giant fucking oklob farm and rolling everything makes the tedium worth it. (this is assuming they haven't nerfed it in the past couple of years)

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>>153827034
>zot 5
>lategame

>>153827727
i'd consider lategame anything post vaults.

if you're referring to fedhas in extended - he's serviceable. you could switch to something more useful but you don't have to. extended really isn't that hard if you have a decent character.

>>153826669
>Pick almost anything
>Pick up a weapon and bonk stuff
>Grab chei
>Engage the turbo bonk
>Win 15 runesx729

>>153826669
>playing with ice beasts is the same as any other melee start
>but playing with icicles isn't the same as any other conj start
explain

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>>153827034
>same with gods like fedhas trog and yred
>several months ago people were calling Yred shit
What happened?

>>153829191
yred is boring and falls off lategame, but that isn't really a big deal

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>>153801670
Lots of fun. Also, now that I've noticed the update has been released, I'm going to check it out. Thanks anon!

>>153829589
I hate this meme artist so goddamn much.

>>153829191
nice art family

did they nerf sif in trunk?

have been stuck at 4star piety from lair end to d15

i channeled about three times in that timeframe

>>153830313
he's alright

>>153830313
>>153833158
ahegao is like putting a turd on a custard pie

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>>153833408
he's overall style is better than average

There's a bug in stats training via normal means (ie, not using the NPC) in SotW. I'll get that fixed in the next version.

>>153801670
>>153802668
>>153829589
>>153834634
>SotW update

sheeeeit

time to give it another go

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>>153833883
>eating steak with a spork

What's your opinion on Demon?

I like the Pokemon/SMT feel

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This is why you take Observant. Castable Bless and Azatoth's Wrath plus a 6+ sledgehammer down the drain.

>>153839047
>Aktivier Windows
Why didn't you Aktivier?

>>153839047
please tell me you've at least aktiviered your almonds

>>153839374
Not him, but I tried activating my almonds once.
They didn't activate and just got all rotten and gave me a mouth infection that lasted for a week and made me feel buttery/creamy taste for that whole week.

>>153839585
Don't you know that attempting to activate almonds makes muster gas?

>>153840445
I meant 4real

I didn't actually try activating them, it's just that "activating" seeds is just soaking them in water. I wanted to make some almond milk and that requires soaking.
But I got some weird guide that recommended soaking them overnight, which was too long and got them all rotten.

I guess I over-activated them and they went critical.

>>153772978
>not 'zerking while you're still at or near full health
artist fails at playing MiBe

>>153779776
>15 runes with Ru
Well played, m8. What did you sacrifice?

>>153841331
Dumb MiBe's will berserk instead of fleeing or using their consumables.

>>153838692
It's fairly fun, but I suck at it. I don't think I have ever reached the tenth floor.

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>>153841459

Artifice, Arcana, AC -3 and Friendlies

Does a buckler of reflect stack the reflect effect with the amulet of reflect?

And if yes, should I wear it or just keep my buckler of protection?

>>153843023
no stack lad

>>153843023
No, keep your buckler of protection until you can replace it with an elemental resistance (if necessary).

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>>153842996
rest in pasta

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t-thanks

>>153844582
>flail
ehhhhhhhhhhh

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>>153844582
>>153844673
well, that was a lucrative floor!

>>153844673
+10 is big fucking game on D:4

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>>153844887
>>153844673
not good enough either way

>>153845068
Holy fuck youre shit

>>153845068
>gargoyle with +10 flail
>still dies
Why didn't you might when you fought the ghost?

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are there any multiplayer roguelikes?

>>153845101
aye
>>153845314
wanted to save it; turns out that walking away from a caster through a narrow corridor isn't a good idea.
shit, I could've just tabbed him without might.

>>153845434
Save it for what? A more dire moment? Look how that turned out.

>>153845482
>>153845434
Also, you had 3 might pots. You'd be hard pressed to find 3 situations worse than fighting a draconian ghost that would benefit from might.

>>153845482
>>153845594
as if I wouldn't know that it was a retarded move.

>>153845337
those would be MUDs (multi user dungeons) then

I want to babysit someone on crawl.

Is there someone?

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aww yiss up to a good start

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>tfw even in roguelikes I can't get a gf

>>153841939
>tenth floor
>flying fish with Absolution
>'i'm gonna recruit it!'
>100 turns without doing anything to recruit
>accept
>ten demons appear from the shadows and fuck my shit up

my 0.18 keeps crashing all the time, what do? 0.17 crashed once in a blue moon.

>>153849579
time to play sil

>>153845337
TOMENet is an online multiplayer ASCII roguelike.
http://tomenet.eu/

Maybe MAngband (on which TOMENet is based; site seems broken for now).

>>153845337
No

Could probably be some roguelites, but actual roguelikes would play like shit.
You'd have to wait for everyone to make a turn.

>>153845337

none obviously

>>153854474
a hotseat roguelike could be cool

>>153838692
Fun and fresh and flavorful

>>153847890
kek, easg saints suck ass honestly, at least before the light/dark revamp

>>153856040
b-but absolution is god-tier for healers

lol this is kinda stupid
being a lvl 16 demonspawn i only have 3 of my muts, 2 of them at lvl 3 and 1 at lvl 1

>>153856254
Yea I used to always get absolution on my healers. It heals light/dark status effects like silence/hex/pariah/guilt right? Those don't show up too often desu, at least pre-revamp. Calm and cleanse are way more valuable since body and mind status effects are fairly common and really debilitating.

>>153857112
>"i only have 3 of my muts"
>has 7 muts

>>153854474
I wouldn't mind everyone taking their turn during a fight, in order to not be the easiest roguelike ever teams shouldn't be more than 3 players anyway.

Exploration would be a bitch tho. I guess it can be somewhat worked around with formations or something where only the leader actually moves and the other 2 are controlled by AI following the formation selected untill an enemy is spotted/they get separated by a trap/they decide to move manually at snail pace for tactical manuevers.

Still a multiplayer roguelike would be hilarious, just imagining all party members trying to steal artifacts and the mage "accidentally" shooting a thunderbolt through the fighter.

>>153857881
just play dnd
>tfw when your party members speak a language you don't and team up and plot against your character and even though you can understand them in real life you're not supposed to metagame

>>153854474
Wouldn't mind that, myself.
For my own project, I've been considering a sort of system that'd help with the flow of the game
Basically when everybody's exploring and there are no stakes, the game is in Safe Mode. In Safe Mode one turn passes every half of a second or so, so if you want to check your inventory while your buddy walks through a corridor, no problem.
When a monster appears, a trap is triggered, or some shit happens, the game switches to Danger Mode. In Danger Mode you need to wait for everyone's input every turn. Ideally there'd be a way for players to switch between Safe and Danger mode at will.
But yeah. It'd be a slow game, akin to a board game, and so you'll need to play with patient buddies who don't mind you taking a full minute to plan a risky move.

>>153858521
Looks like you have a mediocre GM and/or group, anon. Sorry to hear.

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>>153852660
so what now, nerd?

>>153860256
>3/3/5/3
That isn't Edain, of house HODOR

>>153860676
I never understood that meme. Next char will be an edain though.

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>>153860901

Raise your fist!
Raise your fist!
My sweet pharaoh

Raise your fist!
Raise your fist!
I don't deny my old bandages

The utopia is the same, but the devil's team changed
and the path is ever more complicated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs8kvFP_cnk

>Go all in on conjurations as a DsWz
>Suddenly get the -LOS mutation

Stealthy conjurations it is, then

>>153845068
>gargoyleposting
even worse than dickuposting

>>153847392
>last hope
what a fitting name.

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>>153861947

>>153861808
I can start posting cats, if you like

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>>153862585
what kind of cats
are they of the sad variety

>>153862802
>shilling comics here
prequel roguelike when?

>>153864163
Try Daggerfall.

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>for the first time fuse 2 demonus
>pick slime and a fire rat for the kicks of it
>the tile becomes green
I really love little things like that.

Does claw bonus stack with statue form?

>>153861808
You can't make my longing for dicku a meme you dipshit.

>>153865356
I'm pretty sure the colors for modified demons are random. You just got lucky with your palette.

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oh you little prick

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mfw nessos arrows me in the ass for 20hp+ for 6 turns in a row when i have 20ish AC, 18EV, and i'm invis
sometimes this game is just stupid.

>>153861568
this is a good thing. most conjurations don't have edge of normal LOS range

>>153867923
What is your stealth?

>>153867923
next time feed him hex wands

>>153868384
i had it at 6 dunno about pips, probly 2-3
im dead anyways, treid blinking away around a corner and he shot me dead with a doubleturn
>>153868394
yeah probly should have done that, i just honestly didnt think he'd hit me for so much so many turns in a row, with my stats + invis giving him -acc

>>153845093
>for_the_love_of_god_montressor.png

>>153833096
Regens over time

>>153845093
DELETE THIS
Hello?

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>>153867558

>>153845337
Yes, Rogue, after you reach the tenth floor you'll find an afterbirth. Use that and it'll prompt you to invite a friend. It's in the pastebin.

>>153845093
EXTERIOR LIKE FISH EGGS

>>153871057
so Rogue is at best a roguelite

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>>153861808
that isn't gargoyleposting you fool

>>153871582
Sadly. Really fun though so play it.

>>153865583
no

claws can get the drain brand from lichform tho

>>153868265
it can be a bad thing if for some reason you made the mistake of worshiping vehumet

>>153871786
>the mistake of worshiping vehumet
I don't understand anymore. Is GoodSif now BadSif?

>>153872123
sif is better than vehumet now

but even when sif was worse, vehumet was still bad

>>153872123
>Vehumet underwent a complete overhaul in 0.12, dropping his summoning support, MP reduction, and book gifts, instead gifting destructive spells directly.
Vehumet has been total dogshit since 0.12

>>153872669
vehumet should get reworked or removed, he's a new player trap and there is no reason to use him

>>153771694
What game is this?

>>153873056
I like how they call utterly crippling nerfs an "overhaul" or a "rework"

>>153873056
In my experience Vehumet is good for megazigging.
Need to only spam firestorm.

>>153873454
Yredelemnul is a god in DCSS

the anime vampire waifus are not from dcss tho

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>>153871786
Joke's on you, my mutations make it impossible for me to die even if Vehumet's being a tsundere piece of shit and not giving me anything I can use.

>>153873645
Bringing up postend in a balance discussion is kind of pointless. Balancing 3-6 rune content when characters are still somewhat limited in what they can do before they have nothing left except winning is a completely different beast from balancing 15 rune content where if someone is really, really determined to do so they can max every skill, tailor a specific set of muts, and get all the exact items they want before walking out of the dungeon with 19 bazillion gold as nigh invincible gods with a inventory full of unrands, dressed in robes, boots, gloves and cloaks whose tiles they handpicked and followed by a posse of mercenaries

Most of the crawl devs seem to understand this but the ones who don't are a blight

>>153873056
Agreed. He is complete dogshit.

The spells he gifts are 9 out of 10 useless and crap, it doesn't even try to check what schools are you studying, it just gives you shit. Oh, you are a red draconian that is shooting fireballs to survive? Here, have glaciate.

The MP on kill is pointless. What use it has? That you don't have to rest after a fight? Casters are in a pinch when they are out of mana and can't kill, so how the fuck can I regenerate it?

The decrease of failrate looks cool at first, but I found out that just because you can cast big spells earlier it doesn't mean that it's good. Your character probably doesn't have enough mana to spam early crystal spears or firestorms, and the spell power isn't that high either, so that you are better off with lower level spells and should wait before you can cast the big ones-and by that time, you could have casted them relaiably just with any other god.

The increased range for destructive spell is extremely good-but it's the really only nice thing about this god. Sif provides all the spells you need, actually gives you mana, protects you from deadly miscasts effects and makes it possible to change your spellist without a single worry. Vehu should have a better MP refill, the spells he gifts should be GOOD, and should provide something like increased spell power for your destructive spells or something instead of lowering the failrate, which is, again, actually useless.

>>153780347
>>153786125
Brogue has an unofficial Audio version.

I personally find the sound choice/frequency terrible, but it also makes light/dark area easier to parse.

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>>153874836
Why is it bad to have a god that shines in megazigs as an alternative for Makhleb?
Why does the game have to be perfectly balanced?

>>153874961
>The MP on kill is pointless. What use it has?

Cast lichform, a few controlled blinks and firestorm/glaciate/tornado/shatter a group to get all your mana back.

>>153874796
Oh yeah? We'll see about that, kiddo..

>>153839047
>castable Bless
Fucking rip.

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Redesign Veh and make him all about eating the brains of your foes and stealing enemy spells.

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>>153875245
>>153874796

>>153788295
What game?

>>153875204
>Why is it bad to have a god that shines in megazigs as an alternative for Makhleb?
That's not what I said though

>>153875551
You were arguing for balance even though Vehumet is perfectly fine for megazigs how she is now.

>>153875418
I kinda miss the old goofy "OH YEAH?" giant tiles with crossed arms.
The new ones are alright, I guess.

>>153875919
>You were arguing for balance
I wasn't. What I said is that postend balance is inversely proportional to how much the player wants to grind, so postend may as well not exist for balance and design purposes

Does IA dev still browse this place?

>>153875919
>Veh
>she
Please.
Sif is an old wizened wizard.
Veh is his exact copy but absolutely bonkers.
This is head canon.

>>153876217
>Does IA dev still browse this place?
Last time someone was talking about the upcoming "recent" update he showed up and said it's not gonna happen soon.
That was like maybe 2 weeks or so ago.

>>153838692
Very, very interesting, but it's a bit too intense for my tastes.

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>>153876095
they always remind me of Mr T somehow

>>153875204
at the point where you're spamming lichform cblink and firestorm your god choice doesn't matter because you will win anyways

>>153876365
Oh okay, thanks for answering

>>153876229
The one thing known about vehumet worship is that Iskenderun is some sort of saint or demigod within it, assuming that the blurb about the altar being "ablaze in the lights of Iskenderun" is literal

>>153876217
he posted about 2 days ago actually

>>153875464
looks like quest for the unicorn

>>153876432
I'm not talking about winning but doing ~100 zigs.

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>>153838692
I played a couple of runs myself for the first time today and I think it's very refreshing and engaging. Cute tiles and full mouse support, cause I'm a lazy faggot are really nice.
Definitely going to try and beat it.

>>153876583
and i'm telling you that zigs are bullshit and nobody cares

being good at zigs isn't an excuse for being an otherwise bad god

How does IA work? Should I explore the whole floor or sprint to the exit?

>>153876972
Yes.

>>153876972
I usually explore the whole floor early, but if I see a bunch of reanimated corpses early without a good place to kite them (regular breaks in LOS to not get overly shocked) or Dean Halsey's troupe, I will just say fuck that and leave.
Later on its sprint for the stairs (and hope you can peg the monolith on the way in dev branch).

What are some good early tank monsters on Demon?
I'm trying to play as a glass cannon and i already have the notion of creating a god-tier healer, but i need some strong faggots to protect my magic asshole

>>153877319
>dev branch
thank you anon, i forgot that github existed and now i have some brand new features to enjoy

>>153878242
wisp, malingee, headless, goblin, slime

>>153878442
>slime
You fokken wot?

>>153878623
ever tried punching a bunch of goop?

>>153878623
Slime has a pretty decent self heal that also purges all debuffs from you.
I like to even transfer that skill onto myself desu, free purge + heal feels nice.

>>153876972
1. Locate exit ASAP
2. Explore the whole floor
3. If shock clock > 75% and/or shit getting real and/or floor fully explored: sprint to the exit

>>153877319
How different is dev branch from 18.2? Compiling sounds complicated and I don't want to go through all these steps for minor features

>>153878623
slime is kinda shit but expendable
also he has reshape which improves his effective max hp via self healing, and malleable which improves all healing. slime is tank as fuck
also as the other anon said he can block impact attacks sometimes which is nice

>>153878663
Yeah they take extra damage from it like they take extra damage from fucking everything.
>>153878895
How do you reconcile with their garbage-tier weakness set though?

>>153878948
It's quite different.
Check the changelog on github and you'll see what I mean.
I compiled the windows release and can up it for you if you want.

>>153879149
Not him, but I'd appreciate a compiled version too.

>>153879149
>>153879275
ye, plx

>>153878442
So now i have a wisp as tank (i don't know what prefix should i use) and a lifegiver gandayah as healer.
Do i need anything else?

>>153879014
>How do you reconcile with their garbage-tier weakness set though?
I hope my stuff kills the enemy stuff before slime gets btfo after is has already healed itself.

>>153879320
>>153879407
http://www95.zippyshare.com/v/2Vmq1QXx/file.html

Tell me if there's an issue.

>>153879487
Oh and also Martyrdom is incredible on slime.

>>153879407
nope, you can win the game now
you don't need to fuse a wisp, and you'll probably drop him for a better tank after several floors anyway
also set up a second healer for backup (no fusion necessary), maybe get a ranged magic support, buff support, and a spare tank/melee demon (party composition includes your player character as a demon)

>>153879875
I got Headless, so i can drop wisp now.
I'm thinking on getting a buff/debuff faggot, but i don't know about each demon's role.

>>153879670
Isn't that the passive light/dark cooldown reduction when taking damage? Reshape is an endure cooldown

>>153879656
working fine, thanks.

>>153880193
Usually you just check their stats/natural abilities/resists to see what role a demon would fill. You want cunning on debuffers, vitality/nu-strength and decent resists on tanks and buffers (buffs don't depend on any stats), healers/blasters need high magic. You'll find some ruhins in the anomaly branch, they have a few buffs and an ability that reduces the SP cost of buffs. They also have good cunning and some good resists if I remember right, so they fit the buff/debuff role perfectly

>>153875363
a "blue mage" god could be really interesting if done correctly

>>153879656
Thanks anon.

>>153880721
thanks my man, this game is pretty overwhelming with all those stats and shit.

>>153876229
All gods are girls.
Pan/Hell lords are all girls too.
Don't believe the dev propaganda.

Different anon, what stats should I get if I want to punch things and have demons as support? I picked Mind Reader and Riposte

>Shatter is a level 9 Earth Magic spell which attacks all monsters (enemy or allied) in a (3 + Earth Magic/5) tile radius, dealing unavoidable physical damage.

Let's hypothetically say I hypothetically have reduced LOS due to a certain demonspawn mutation. Could I hypothetically damage stuff I can't see and become a stealth shitter shatterer?