/edg/scg/ - Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous General #36

tell me why opentrack isn't working with ED, right now

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First for what could have been.

kill the furfags, dads and rplers

space outlaws unite

>>153675038
Is that an "official" Elite novel?

>>153675162
I was having trouble OT detecting games a while ago once I upgraded to the new version.

I 'fixed' it by totally reinstalling Windows. So perhaps try to cleanse OT from your system and fresh install it?

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What is your home system /scg/edg/ and why is it Magnus?

http://imgur.com/a/OPcaX

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>Dat Cinematic Feeling

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Sixth for when the fuck is the 10 for replacement coming. When will Sean Tracey bless us with his presence

>>153675298
it works with dcs and battle of stalingrad though

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>>153675193
all these moving parts are triggering me

>>153675248
When will we get the first weirdo Register to Snipe them all out of the game?

>>153675374
I want to live on Sherman Outpost.
Just sitting in my cockpit on the landing pad, listening to the rain pattering on the canopy.

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>>153675463
They're not in the game anyway. And never will be. Fucking Paul.

>>153675605
Who is Paul

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>>153675505
Yeah Sherman looks comfy af

That's the planet that was a military frontier once, but now is trying to be a normal civic planet, despite all the buildings people living in being repurposed giant military bunker looking things.

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https://atackart.deviantart.com/art/Cobra-MK-III-543326770
>In Sandro's original design plan we had a much larger range of ships with much more defined roles and play styles, hence why I have some Krait concept art, but that didn't fit with the direction management wanted to take the game.

>>153675467
cant wait for the kill list

>>153675436
hmm, don't know then, tried rolling back to a previous version?

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Gotta go with Crusader.

>>153675685
One of the 2 guys they hired of TNGS, the other being based Elwin Bachiller. Sadly he's fucking incompetent. He shat out the Redeemer and he was the one responsible for ruining the Vanguard beyond repair during the transition from concept to ingame.

>>153675840
As pretty as Crusader is, I don't think it will ever live down being the most vanilla of all vanilla homes, due to how babby PU was formed

Dem bespin feels tho

what happened to having a consistent OP image to go with the pasta each thread?

>>153675931
Housing when?

There are so many Filler buildings that could be used for housing gta5 style

>>153675931
Ya, I agree, Crusader will probably be vanilla as fuck. But Earth will always be the most vanilla, simply because it's Earth.

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>>153675374
Goss looks comfy
https://imgur.com/a/NbppY#0

>>153676161
>Housing = Hangars

You can choose where you want your Hangar to be.

>>153676356
True, needs more comfy interior for my Taste tho

>>153676340
Goss is a super exclusive place to live, with a paradise planet with property laws that make it very hard for anyone not from there to live there.

>>153676221
Earth will be pretty cool and sci fi I think, also I can't see it actually making it into the game for a while. Terra will be the other most vanilla of the vanilla, alongside Crusader and ArcCorp.

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>>153675395
Radical.

>>153676356
Where do you think the hangars we have now will be? Selfland could be pretty much anywhere, possibly ArcCorp? Revel and York seems to be Terra, the pirate one Nyx, Aeroview could be any second tier system like Magnus, Centauri, Croshaw

whats so special about the systems which require a permit?

>>153677070
You need a permit.

>>153677070
Not much. A couple have discount ships.

Ive got tons of permits but i never go.

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Kellog looks also nice

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What do you guys think she smells like?

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>>153677590
Agreed

>>153677838
>What do you guys think she smells like?
Like poor taste.

>>153677838
period blood and sweat like any other woman

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>>153674131
>is that too complex to understand? if the cargo didn't come out there would be zero point to even having a shootable hatch, and zero point to piracy if there was no way to get cargo out of a ship by force
Even after killing the crew and engines, the cargo would still be inside the ship. Shooting the ship's hull itself to make a big enough hole would probably destroy the cargo.

>inb4 limpets
These do make sense, the limpet drills a hole into the ship and extracts a cargo container. If space legs ever become a thing for ED, I could see shooting out the cockpit and then boarding the ship to release the cargo.

As for heat causing a cargo hatch to malfunction and cargo leaking out, I'd have made it so heat itself can destroy cargo. Hard to destroy 200 tons of platinum but 200 tons of liquid hydrogen canisters will burst if it gets too hot.

How will SC deal with piracy? Disable the ship, board it and hand-haul the crates to your ship?

>>153677070
A few have equipment/ships at a discount or a rare commodity. One has an engineer.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/122593-Updated-Permit-List

Sirius (engineer), Alioth (20% off asps) and Sol (it's sol) are probably the important ones.

If I go into the PU now, what are the chances of me being able to walk through someone's Starfarer?

Would anyone be willing to let me tag along in any multicrew ship? I don't have the time to get really into SC, but I want to check out what my money is building.

>>153678562
Ask in Chat, if you are Patient, chances are good. Better during free flight weekends tho

>>153678562
best I could do is get you into a connie

What does powerplay and pledging allegiance to one of these clowns do?

>>153679525
Unique weapon at level 3. Lots of pay at level 5. Some double your bounty income, chinese guy doubles your explore income.

>>153679525
Opens you t a whole new world of grinding such as:
>Moving widgets from one station to another with a timegate on how many you get at a time
>More combat zones and other things disguised as even more combat zones
>Twice the amount of interdictions by enemy factions!
>Behing shittalked by the station traffic controller for being an enemy faction
>shitty unique equipment that isn't better than the regular equipment
>Bonuses that stack on other bonuses that have since been nerfed because of "shenanigans" and the cries of the forumdad.

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>Degraded Signal Threat 3
>Wait, aren't these supposed to be threat 0?
>empty area with 1 canister "Alien Relics"
>8 vultures pop in "I can't believe that worked" at 300 meters away
I turn to run by they've already shot out my powerplant, didn't last 3 seconds.

>>153679669
>double your bounty income
That might actually be useful

>>153679813
>Behing shittalked by the station traffic controller for being an enemy faction
What if that's my fetish?

More interdictions sounds like shit though.

>>153675038
You didn't add us to the pastebin.

>>153621282
>>153621282
>>153621282

>>153680651
Kill yourselves

>>153680365
Traffic controllers in the empire seem to dislike my "Core Dynamics" ship. Also noticed that they the "victor romeo" callsign letters they give correspond to letters found in CMDR names.

How long does CIG intend to keep ship gifting open?

I want to set up an alt at some point to fly one of my ships.

>>153680789
The callsign is your ship make and then the first three letters of your handle IIRC.

That said it really just makes me wish for a game that has proper ATC.

Also need to find a station with that southern girl again. Only get the brit lately.

>>153680802
Nothing confirmed, but probably as soon as they stop doing character resets, so maybe Beta.

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>>153680651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwulXTGhKU

>>153677590
Isn't that the prison system?

>>153680651
There is nothing to add.

Your cancer is not welcome here.

>>153680651
hell is the place you are looking for

>>153681498

Damn that fits way too well with NMS.

>DECEPTION!!!
>DISGRACE!!!

>>153681736
Yeah, it has a prison planet

>>153682516
You know there is a reason real estate around prisons is always cheaper right?

Nobody has time for that.

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>>153617625

i think the hull series will be quite iconic, i mean ofc i got a big hard-on for space trucks but still it does feel more relying on functionality instead of just looking like a milenium falcon clone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSKwN1YIafo

that our maybe its this cowboy bepop thing that makes it for me.

So I have to wonder, does it make sense to push the armour of a DBS to around 800-1000 via reinforcements?

I got virtually no use for the internals except for an interdictor.

>>153684985
Hull series looks neat. Question is how useful they'll really be to players.

What's the new Sothis/Ceos?

>>153685437
What happened to the old Sothis/Ceos?

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P A N T H E R W H E N

>>153685512
Ceos got UA bombed and Sothis doesn't have any decent paying missions any more.

>>153685437
The new Sothis/Ceos is Sothis/Ceos.

>>153685571
But I made 300million in the past 3 days doing Sothis/Ceos missions.

>>153685660
Hmm let me go have a look, might have gone on at a bad time yesterday.

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Oh shit, the Galactic Tour thing actually has a sale attached to it.

Hope the M50 pulls through Although I wouldn't mind upping my 315 to an R just to have both racers

I might sound like a dad but doing shit like Sothis I think would completely ruin my enjoyment that I STILL derive from ED

For me the game is a major source of cozyness and it still didnt run out after 200 hours

I only have a clipper because Braben decided to give me lods of fucking emone because I bothered to take 40 tons of cargo to morai exactly twice

As a consequence I dont enjoy the clipper even half as much as I did the AspX even though I know I should

>>153686338
The M50 will win because more people like it but from what I was reading the 350r has a higher top speed.

>>153686437
Nah having billions is awesome. You really feel superior to the plebs.

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>>153686452
Given that nothing is final who knows. Issue with the 350R is that it has all the excess space that's unusable compared to the other 300s.

If they were gonna remove the cargo space entirely they could've just made the cockpit sleaker alltogether instead of just adding another engine to the 300 frame.

I don't really mind either, but I just want to up this Argo to an M50.

>>153686852
Well if we were to compare them to real things today the M50 would be an F1 car, zero creature comforts and build solely for speed. Whereas the 350r would be a hypercar, something built for speed but also having creature comforts such as AC or seats that can be moved.

>made controversial thread on /v/ about space sims
>got 200+ posts
Today's accomplishment has been completed

>>153687105
Link?

>>153681498
I want to fuck that lion.

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>>153686452
Voted 350r simply because it can still actually function as an interceptor.

Has CIG dropped the 'the m50 is intended to replace the avenger, really!' lore shit yet?

I'm surprised they didn't add the khartu-Al to the poll. I think it currently has the fastest times in the two harder tracks

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>decide to listen to ED soundtrack
>frameshit suite movement 1, 2 and 6

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>>153687095
Sounds about right.

Hope either will be available during the annual sale anyhow so I can still decide.

>>153687608
>khartu-Al
Should've added the Archimedes.

>>153686437

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

If you don't enjoy it, that's fine, As long as you aren't actively shitting on FDev to shut down the trading runs for the people that do enjoy it, there isn't a problem.

You do you, Live and let Live etc.

>>153687683
Well one will be available in a week, who knows about the other one though.

>>153687261
>>>/v/350524083

>>153685568
It'll probably be useless like all the other freighters.

>>153687869
Not flyable yet...

>>153688906
Well, if it's got better capacity or range than the Cutter it'll still see use.

>>153687105
>>153688330
Let me guess, it's Scam Shitizen and VISION memes?

>>153689651
No.

y-yes...

>>153689651
There was also this one autist who kept meming that the game was shit because the blue HUD was too close to that of the sky when racing.

>>153689791
>>153689921
/v/ is so boringly predictable.

>>153675193

Did they ever fix the nose turret on the vangaurd from looking fucking retarded and weak just dangling like that?

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a bes

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>>153691364
>best

>>153689164
Could replace exploration 'Condas if it's impossibly light when empty, but I think they've learned from that.

>>153691364
>>153691627
>apples and oranges

Every ship has a role and every person has a personal need or preference.

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>>153691627
real best ship here

>>153691836
Idealistic bullshit in a nutshell. Game has balance, and MMOs tend to have the most terrible balace. There WILL be better ships and there WILL be useless ships.

>>153692006
>the shitty older version with the stupid front staircase ramp thing that was too short

At least post the newer one.

Why did they make all the ships so goddamn small in the beginning anyway? The first Freelancer was small as fuck.

>>153692163
They haven't finished the v2 MAX yet, so MAX owners only see the older version in their hangar

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>>153692130
I'm a half glass full kinda guy. I know I shouldn't expect different but I want to believe.

>>153692130
>There WILL be better ships and there WILL be useless ships
Be useless in other roles or useless in general?

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>>153692362

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>>153690274
Not really. they just added an even bigger gun to put there.

>>153692163
because originally the didn't need room for components or a correct to scale cargo hold.

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>>153692006

>>153692163
>At least post the newer one.
Which one? Could you post it?

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>>153692362
UUUNICOOOOOOOOOOOORN

>>153692473
Useless at all. Show me at least once example of how each part of the game worked perfectly and as it was intended in MMOs. Some of existing concepts and ships will have to be totally revamped in order to be at least a bit viable.

>>153692706
>adder.jpg

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>>153692362
He's partially right in that balance is a tricky equation and I doubt there are many examples of it done right. Still, I think Star Citizen's ships are better suited to a myriad of roles than, for instance, ED.

There will always be ships that do better at a certain task than others, but I think once we get mining, trade, and bounty hunting in we'll see a lot more utility for ships of all stripes and kinds, even ships like the poor Cutlass or Reliant, which both suffer from the same problem.

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>>153692006

I'm sorry, did I hear someone say best ship?

>>153692826
Wouldnt that depend on the user?

Couldnt someone find a use for a single person explorer craft that you personally dont like, while that same person may not like your ideas about a 6 man bomber?

I guess I am just confused about this game specially as if it works out how they intended then end usage would depend solely on the player.

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>>153692362
Don't change anon.

>>153693029
We live in a material world, not idealistic one. Developers are like "we balance this, we balance that, now all seems to work just fine". Then they give it away to the public, and in N time it all goes to shit.

Its a MMO game, thus, there are lots of people. Not matter how hard you try, other players break the balance even of your solo play. You go explore on your Terrapin - say hi to pvp-scholars who would just group up in order to grack open that flying garbage can, no differnce given between you trying to stick some role or just thriving to survive.

As long as we dont have a released game with a big persistent universe, we wouldnt get even a slight amount of a real balance. Fighter would have broken stats, trader ships would have too small/too much amount for cargo, etc, etc.

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>>153692987
Slow Clumsy Gigantic Starboard Blind Spot: The Ship.

Not to mention, there's a reason why they've been avoiding asymmetrical designs when ever possible...

in SC do bigger ships have NPC crews or can you use real players as crew? If so, do crew members actually have a roll or do they just sit in a seat and enjoy the ride?

>>153693342
So play a single player game where balance doesnt matter because there are no other players to screw with it.

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>farragut
seeing that shit jump in makes my dick hard as fuck every time

>>153693401
They should've raised the cockpit so it would get a better view...

>>153693548
That's what I mean, MMO part of SC is going to have a disasterous balance for some time.

The only possible way to make even the worst ship viable is to play solo, where you are in control of the situation.

As long as you play with other people, they will find a way to outbest you in every possible way, because they want to be better than the others and you are just trying to play the role.

>>153693401
Is that a wing? They didn't just make it asymmetrical, they did so by including something that is only useful in conditions where being asymmetrical is even worse than usual.
It's bad enough having uneven mass, now you have one side pulled down and the other pulled up.

>>153693708
does not matter, the blindspot will still be there even if you move it around

>>153693740
>As long as you play with other people, they will find a way to outbest you in every possible way, because they want to be better than the others and you are just trying to play the role.
So what? You are complaining about a non issue unless you dont like people being better than you and if that is the case then you should probably just not play any games that involve other people.

>>153693919
Having a lower blindspot is less bad than having a starboard blindspot. Ideally they would have either made the cockpit to the front of the ship or made two cockpits on opposite sides

>>153693919

implying the blind spot matters? We have HUD indicators showing where everyone is, we have radar, we have top mounted turrets.

The Cat doesnt care if it cant see directly to its close right because it's not trying to shoot people there. That's not the purpose.

Semi trucks have more blind spots than race cars... who knew?

>>153693995
I am proving a point about non-existance of something like "every ship is going to be good in its way when the game comes live". It isnt. Players will have ways to control economy, and if its going to happen even for a little bit, then, boom, you either get a good ship or you lose everything.

>>153694161
>I am proving a point about non-existance of something like "every ship is going to be good in its way when the game comes live"
But you didnt, you said that other people will gang up on you and make it worthless. If that is your entire argument then its shit, just play a single player game.

I am not going to go try to fight a capital ship in an Aurora but you seem to think that you shouldn't be swatted out of the sky by something like that due to lol balance.

>>153694156
By front I mean a central cockpit, not an asymmetrical design. The back would also be a good option

>>153694157
Didn't you know that all ships are actually fighters and need as much unobstructed view as possible?

>>153693029
IMO if CIG actually managed to do it I wouldn't be surprised if some ships can be fitted to perform a role even better than ships designed for it

>>153694445
This picture looks like autism

>>153694545
Where do you think you are?

>>153694328
Oh... Given that Terrapin is a front-line explorer ship, what should you do? Go out there and explore, in the most dangerous areas, since that's what your ship is designed for. When you will try to explore, you will be terminated by other players just for reasons. Because the design, the idea of this ship is a very hard one to be balanced. If they cant make AC - place for one-seat fighters - a good place without a dominance from Sabres and something like that, how can we speak about final state balance? The depthness of this game is going to cause serious problems. Its too complicated to be balanced.

>>153694545
It is, and it was in the last 12 threads too.
The scary part is that there are more.

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>>153694741
Fair point.

ALso, this is the best ship by looks and aesthetics alone.

>>153694750
>When you will try to explore, you will be terminated by other players just for reasons.
So what, that isnt the fault of your mythic balance, that is simply because other people dont share your ideas of fun.
> Because the design, the idea of this ship is a very hard one to be balanced.
See above.
> If they cant make AC - place for one-seat fighters - a good place without a dominance from Sabres and something like that, how can we speak about final state balance?
Well seeing as you are comparing a top of the line fighter to other craft I cant really understand why it is a balance issue.

I am not so retarded that I think that SC will have zero balance, I just wont be retarded enough to think that my honda civic should have similar capabilities to a Mclaren because they are both cars.

>>153694942
I don't give a fuck how much that ship is when they put it on sale, i'm buying the fuck out of it.

>>153694942
This concert art always bugged me because the cockpit is on the wrong side

>>153694394

This is seriously how a lot of people in this community think.

They feel that every single ship (large or small) needs to be able to dogfight and fight in Arena Commander well

>>153694750
By marginally nerfing the Sabre to have trade-offs than the Hornet and buffing other ships. At the same time, making it more difficult to acquire in the game and through the RSI website is necessary to prevent everyone from getting it as an end-game choice.

>>153694942
Excellent taste.
>>153695032
$350 dollarydoos

>>153695003
I dont want to go in-depth theorycrafting over a non-existing universe to begin with, so I'm using a simple examples.

What I'm saying is there are multiple promised roles and in each role there are multiple ships, which are designed for this. What I'm saying, is there will be better ships and worse ships. What I'm saying is you won't be able to play this game as it's DESIGNED in every ship, since you will simply be outbested.

There will be 100% dead ship on release. The ones, which some of you would definitely use according to some private reasons, BUT your gameplay isnt going to consist of fun or anything related to it. It's going to be full of struggle if you are going to keep to those ships.

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>>153693687
My dream is for them to implement "executive control" capital ships for players, like a Fed Frigate. In game it'd be an outpost shaped like a fed/imp/independent freighter the player can relocate and use as a ship/module/cargo storage. Also allowing friends to dock.

>>153695032
I believe it was 350$ on concept sale, like Carrack.

>>153694942
All I want to do is work on one of those.

I don't even care if I don't own it, if I found a cool crew and captain to work with i'd dedicate myself to the ship for creds.

>>153695443
From what they've shown of Caterpillar, working on salvaging ships would involve using gravity manipulator to fish for loose cargo/scrap. Honestly, it seems pretty fun.

What size would an SC ship have to be to be able to house and also have the capability to launch around three fighters? Idris size?

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>>153694942
Hardly.

Though there's no chance it keeping those retractable capital ship sized guns.

>>153695743
I just want to work on a ship with people doing comfy jobs with some excitement and a little adventure every now and then.

I love playing a cog in the machineand working on something like this as a mechanic/engineer/technician would be maximum comfy.

>>153694942
>>153695032
>>153695296
>>153695392
>>153695071
Guys... Reclaimer is one of the ships that will never amount to anything. There is no way to do salvaging in a satisfactory form that won't get boring in 5 minutes.
As much as I like the design... I am objective enough to admit that it will NEVER amount to anything in game. A gimmick with instanced "missions" at best.

Don't bullshit yourselves.

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>>153693919
>>153694156
What do you think of the Sulaco's blind spots?

>>153695914
Playing on a ship with friends is one of the major selling points for me

>>153695857
Yeah, Idris can house about three fighter sized ships as it is.

>>153695987
You don't fool me, you just want all the salvage for yourself you fuck

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>>153696017
Yeah. The smallest ship i'd probably wanna have for myself that I could fly alone is a Freelancer. Anything that and up is my jam.

I just love the idea of flying houses you work on.

>>153695337
name of ship? moar?

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>>153696106
>>153695987
>tfw salvage wars

>>153696042
That kinda sucks.

>>153695995
I think the sulaco exists in a setting not created by world war II fetishists and thus actually has cameras all over the ship giving it a perfect view.

>>153696227
The endeavor can hold two I think.

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>>153696210
It's from X: Rebirth, ship is the Arawn. Game is pretty but had a terrible release. Player could only fly a small freighter but could order around huge freighters/cruisers.

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>>153695907
I hope they keep the concealable guns concept at least

>>153696668
I really cannot decide if I should keep my Carrack or CCU it into a BMM.

>>153696767
Can a Carrack carry ships?

>>153685308
Hull reinforcements are great. Especially when you engineer them for resistance. Mind though that the extra weight costs you a bit of speed and jump range.

>>153696646
Damn it's a beautiful ship

>>153696668
those are big guns

>>153696848
A rover and a scout ship.

So ive just got internet back after a couple months without, anything new in E:D?

Last time I played was just after engineers

Reminder that there are cawadoody kiddies who defend ships in E:D being literal loot piñatas if you set subsystem targeting to the cargo hatch, and they're in this thread right now

Why are eds servers such fucking shit? I cant play open because afyer two jumps it craps out....but i sure can play solo.

What a pile of shit

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I'm just sitting here waiting for this Baby to hit so I can have fun in my Alien/Deadspace Nostromo-Ishimura inspired mega-beauty.

>>153696449
Isn't the Endeavor a colony ship?

>>153697803
>E:D servers

The network architecture is peer to peer.

In both open and solo, E:D's "Servers" are nothing more than authenticating you own the game and aren't running with overt game manipulation. They aren't being sent data to validate past that.

In other words, its probably you.

>>153697804
Probably gonna be in production after Carrack and BMM are done, seeing how they are the next ships in the pipeline.

>>153697885
Modular Research vessel and/or blackmarket drug lab / illegal xeno & cybernetic research

>>153697885
Colony, medical, science, exploration. Deoends what modules you add to it.

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>>153697978
I know, I'm fairly patient, they gotta iron out the Mining aspect, which we will get to test with the Prospector before we actually get our hands on that giant Asteroid Muncher.

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BOW DOWN TO THE BEST SHIP YOU FUCKING PLEBEIANS

>>153697910
So two thirds of the time things work fine because of me but 1/3 is shit because if me?

Imma need a source on that line of thought how that can be possible.

>>153698092
>space weed farmer
>being this unchill

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>>153698092

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>>153698092
I'm not going to tell you you're wrong

But you're wrong. Best ship coming through.

>>153698196
Maybe he's a space meth cooker

>>153698181
I'm saying that E:D's "end" isn't really capable of being at fault. Because it isn't hosting anything.

>>153698201
looks comfy and safe

>>153698196
>space weed farmer

Actually lol'd

>>153698261
If it's authenticating that you own the game and aren't cheating, then the game won't run if the server is shitting the bed.

>>153698442
Does that in both open and solo

did they scrap off the "enders game" modular because of copyright issues?

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Both games need more tiny ships. 8m to 13m length

>>153698248
I only wish this makes it in the game.

>>153698576
Right now SC needs ships in the 50-80 Constellation range, not sub 30 meters.

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THE BEST FUCKING SHIP

>>153698256
Somebody needs to shoop an image of walter white in a spacesuit with an endeavor in the background telling Jesse they need to cook

>>153698645
What will you be able to do with this ship? Grow plants in the light of different stars and check how it affects them? Can't think of anything else.

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>>153694445
I gave it a try.

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HOW CAN OTHER ((SHIPS)) EVEN COMPETE?

>>153698781
WHATEVER YOU WANT OR NOTHING, JUST SIT IN IT

>>153698694
J-Jesse I need you t-to*B-B-B-URP* stick this needle in that x-x-xenomorphs left testicle, I need this Jesse y-you know how much s-space cra*BB-B-URP*-Cr-crack I can synthesise from it?

>>153698781
Grow drugs. Sell drugs.

>>153698781
There are different modifications you can install, like giant telescope, huge ass supersollider or whatever that thing is called, for ship tuning, some exra fuel/cargo pods, a lab. etc

>>153695987
this

fighting, mining and hauling will be the main features of the game, everything else are gimmicks

>>153698890
It looks like the hull series a bit.

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>>153698781
IT HAS DIFFERENT MODULES LIKE A HANGAR FOR SHUTTLES OR THIS BIG ASS TV ANTENNA

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>>153698890
>>153698645
>>153698092


The Endeavor's scale is so fucked. It looks much larger than it actually is. It's tiny.

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>>153698092
Oh hey, silent running. I remember that movie.

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This is pretty sexy if you can separate it.

>>153698837
They did shit like this in WW2, disguise a destroyer, or frigate as a cargo ship and wander around in dangerous areas.

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>>153699082
The Orion is bigger.

>>153699228
You can.

>>153699265
It's called a Q-Ship.

The Merchantman in Star Citizen can be configured as one

>>153698442

Game mode wouldn't make any difference then.

>>153699054

It's by the same company so that makes sense.

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>>153699317
Maybe we can also bring dazzle camo from ye good olde days?

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>>153699468
>>153699468

>>153698576
The Red Tail was neat if only for the giant revolvers.

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>>153699468

>>153698248
what is its job? some stats or something?

>>153699865
SCIENCE

>>153698576
all of SC's tiny ships, with the exception of the M50, are intentionally crippled because they don't people able to stick fully functional ships in larger ships

Basically, they explicitly want to avoid the Bebop style mini carrier concept.

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>>153699228

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>>153699981
>Bebop style mini carrier concept

But that's my dream

>>153699981
Outside of meh guns the Merlin dances around everything just like the M50. Viable enough to stick into a medium ship for all your bebop needs.

>>153699916
So it's a fucking gimmick ship, just like the Reclaimer.

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>>153695296
>>153695392
So $462aud. fuck my shit up.

I also get this sinking feeling from time to time that this game will never go full beta/release so they never have to add ships to buy with in game currency. So the only way to get them is with real money. which will be fucked up.

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>>153699981
Are you for true friend? If that's the case, Robert's has killed one of the most fun playstyles possible.

>>153700187
>Every ship ever needs to be multipurpose
Cool taste Anon.

>>153700183
gun load-out that's impossible to match the pips of, no regenerating boost fuel, no quantum drive, and I think they said it can't even land on planets on it's own power.

They really did intentionally cripple it every way possible.

>>153699082
uncontrollable yawing the ship

>>153700187
Depends on how they go around implementing salvaging and exploration mechanics. When they reveal the direction they take with that, we can evaluate whether it's a gimmick or not. Right now, though, your words are but a fart in the wind.

>>153700285
They might add a ship with multiple snub ships when they finally give up on manned turrets. But the dream of launching a swarm of m50's from a ship isn't going to happen from anything smaller/cheaper than an Idris.

>>153699981
You're an idiot.

If anything they've promoted that exact playstyle.

Small ships are still hard to hit and decent in combat, they just lack a QDrive.

>>153700456
It's a parasite fighter. I'm not sure what you expect.

It fights more than well enough, which is all it needs to do. Nevermind that it does the race tracks pretty well to.

That said I hope it can do planet shit given that it's more of a plane than most of the ships.

>>153700637
>your words are but a fart in the wind
You've just managed to describe every post on 4chan m8

>>153700728
Yes, but more importantly, the post I was replying to.

>>153700456
>can't even land on planets on it's own power
what the fuck
does that mean it can't land at all or whatever
because I'm sure the 890 Jump's snub can

>>153700637
Why the fuck would anyone want a reclaimer to "salvage" junk off of space wreckages, when they can use a Hull D or whatever the fuck to haul equal or more cargo, which can be way more valuable.

>>153700680
>Nevermind that it does the race tracks pretty well to.
It really doesn't. The 350r has raw speed, the Scout has super agility, the M50 has a mix of the two. the Mustang has a nearly infinite boost tank. The Merlin has... less speed, less agility, no boost regen, and a shitty view.

>>153700973
Because the Reclaimer is supposed to be able to latch onto the ship and remove the ship's components which are more valuable than cargo.

>>153701040
I honestly doubt a Constellation's cockpit computer or engines will be more valuable than boxes filled with let's say, Toxic Waste from Planet 2345425-B or Crystals mined from that super rare asteroid field.

>>153700973
To strip the ship wreck of valuable ship components, which are the main point of Item System 2.0 CIG were talking about all the damn time. The power plant, Engines, shield generators, gravity generators, scanners, guns, all that shit will be salvageable tech.

>>153701315
see >>153701154

>>153701154
>raw materials are more valuable than end product

In what reality is that correct?

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>>153694545
Anon missed one of the new parts. I added it for him.

>>153701439
In the reality of basic mathematics and theorycrafting, you brainless tard.

A Hull D filled up to max with end-game resources will be more valuable than the Reclaimer with it's cargo full.

>>153702146
>basic mathematics
>Don't know any of the important variables

gg bro

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>>153698895
>>153698694
Anon delivers.

>>153702146
>implying we know the cost of Hull D

Yeah, nah brah.

>>153702146
Yes, but someone had to first pay for or produce the cargo for the Hull D, while the Reclaimer "created" it's entire cargo load.

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Reminder that aside from Idris and Bengal carrier, there's also Pegasus carrier in the works.

>>153701439
not to mention you could probably break them down into raw materials
>>153702146
I'm sure the "end-game resources" are end game for a reason
potentially things like alien technology would also be worth a lot more if they let you salvage those

>>153702146
and who is going to give you free end game resources? Seems like you dont know anything about life outside your basement

>>153702497
is that a different ship from the panther or did they just change the name?

>>153702756
they changed the name
back in 2014 even

>>153702818
>back in 2014 even
yeah, but one of those ship size charts that people post still has the old name,

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>>153696668
Cargo ships with concealed weapons. Love it.

>>153702226
fukken saved lel

Do the components you can get in the EA store do anything over the stock coolers/powerplants right now? (Star citizen)

>>153703252
They each have their own stats, so yes.

>>153703252
No, they're not usable right now

>>153696938
4u

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fuck, I forgot how fragile the 350r was without the invincible body bug. I can barely survive a single fight, and even one missile can kill me.

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i wanna fug her eyeballs

>>153675374
Sol system. I find interesting to go on adventures around the verse but eventually come back to my cozy home in Moscow.

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>tfw you will never sneak into people's ships on landing pads and fill them with rapidly breeding vermin

>>153705735

My favorite part of Mass Effect was going back to Earth, and driving around the moon in my Mako buggy.

Back where it all started. Well, you can't actually fly around in Earth orbit like Gagarin.

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Rawberts, only Line of Defense can offer a true open space simulation. You must give me your backers so I can make it a reality.

>>153699052
I disagree. Robert has stated that scavenging will be also an important activity and it will have its own mechanics. It started to become a bit evident after the last ATV in which they talk about wreckages in space and planets.

>>153706558
Line of defense isn't a space game tho

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>>153675773
focusing on a smaller amount of ships with more customizable details was the right choice
if only they had actually implemented something like different thrusters with different stats and looks, and detailed damage states

ship variety does not a game make

>>153678056
>shooting a hole would destroy the cargo
why? the canisters are pretty durable
>I'd have made it so heat itself can destroy cargo.
why would heat damage have a different effect from any other kind of damage?

it's clear you don't know the first thing about game design

>>153705936
That was my favorite part as well, driving in the moon with that silence and Earth on the background. I really hope SC becomes successful so I can experience that again. Actually 3.0 demo kinda showed all I want: cruising in a moon with my Dragonfly

>>153707648
>More customizable details

???

Also on the other end of the spectrum, having ships that are all pretty much the same doesn't help a game either.

>>153707648
>why? the canisters are pretty durable
they're destroyed if hit by any projectile and destroy themselves after 3 minutes if exposed to space.

>why would heat damage have a different effect from any other kind of damage?
Liquid hydrogen has to be kept very cold or it becomes a gas. Liquid hydrogen hit by a bullet is still liquid hydrogen.

>it's clear you don't know the first thing about game design
No U.

>>153707615
It would be if Chris Roberts would give Derek Smart his backers.

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>>153707847
Ship kits. Only 15 pounds

>>153708097
oh fuck those. I'm not paying even more money for the game that I bought.

>>153707928
>getting cargo out of a ship should be impossible because le realism
>good design

kys

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>>153708182
Only the Eagle one looks any good anyway. And no one flies Eagles except for shits and giggles.

>>153708226
it should be a bit harder than shooting the back of the freighter with a laser than then scoping up all the cargo that flies out.

>>153708435
Ship kits should have been part of Horizons, not a cash grab. Specifically engineers.

>>153708496
why? so your carebear ass can't get his things stolen?

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>>153708506
Agreed.

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>>153708435
poor Hammerhea- I mean, Eagle. If only if had been made in Star citizen where they appreciate tiny space fighters

>>153707847
like the picture shows, different thruster upgrades with different pieces to go with them for example, maybe the armor upgrades would have different parts as well? something like that, it seems like that was on the table and that would have been pretty cool

>>153708692
I have a strong feeling that originally FDev was going to make that a part of the engineers, but realized they could make much more money by selling them for 15 a pop, each.

>>153708881
What threw me off was the "right choice" part. Because that's not in game and it sounded like the conversation was about what is in game.

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>>153708581
imagine how boring a train robbery movie would be if all the cowboy had to do is ride up, shoot the lock off a crate's door and the payroll bags just fell right out?

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>>153692006
I killed one with a Reliant, but it didn't have gunners.

>>153706558
Lyin' Ted!

>>153708987
>movie

Pretty sure I saw this in a few episodes of Lupin.

>>153709087
the gunner's pretty worthless anyway. Only s1 guns and they moved the turret back so it couldn't cover the lower half of the ship's back

>>153708987
>imagine
back to the forums daddyo
you're not infiltrating fort knox, you're stealing crates of fruits and vegetables

>>153708974
the ships are still highly customizable, and I do think that was the right choice, it's just stats instead of affecting the visuals, and the progressions is maybe a bit too linear from worse to better, rather than having distinct choices

the armor is actually pretty good because you do have a choice

What is the best ship, and why is it the Asp

I want something like the Ghoul Stars from 40k. A system or a few that have a bunch of valuable/powerful artifacts, but while exploring, you're likely to get bumped off by shadowy vessels that come out of nowhere, and the artifacts themselves have a chance of causing long-term problems (like random ship malfunction, spawning small but deadly xenomorphs in your ship, or draining half your health in the middle of combat).

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>>153709234
Yes, and it was a pretty minor bit of the episode instead of the big dramatic action sequence, wasn't it? Because there was no challenge or danger to it

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>>153709553
FAS

>>153709587
Well when those episodes happen it's the journey or build up to that that is the challenge, not actually how difficult it is to get the cargo. In some episodes he just shoots a lock and immediately runs of with jewels.

>>153709546
Internally customizable, not externally, like you mention. While it is nice it's a bit superficial, I'd prefer not having to pay for external customization in what is supposed to be a sandbox game about blazing your own trail or whatever. In fact, many games allow you to customize the internals of your ship to some extent.

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>>153709264
That's why you need a good pilot. For all the arguments about turrets in SC the #1 problem is actually shitty pilots.

An attentive pilot would put the gunners in a position to do damage. Shitty ones fly around like they're in a M50. Makes me mad. Not to pat my own ass but I can take a Constellation with two gunners and a shield operator all the way through the ICC missions.

>>153710292
Why even fly in a way that allows turret gunners to shoot if you could just blast something with your (significantly stronger) main armament instead? Manned turrets on non-capital ships just don't really make sense.

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>started playing ED around a week ago
>fly in my almost completely maxed out cobra MK3
>try to save money for a vulture because that bitch always makes me run away like a little girl
>jump into a system near the starting area, looking for work
>immediately someone pulls me out of the supercruise, no chance escaping whatsover
>no chat message
>check the contacts
>it's not a NPC
>he has a federal corvette
>he whipped out his weapon systems
>the incoming dakka would probably make gork and mork smile
>rockets, lasers, autocannons are flying up my bum
>all energy into shields and engine and FUCKING LEG IT
>increase the distance to 5-6km; he somehow can't hit me anymore
>security ships show up, I jump back into supercruise with reloaded shiels and around 40% hull
>thanks fuck I jewed out the credits for max armor and shields
>he pulls me back out again
>this time I'm "prepared" and he doesn't even take out my shields
>back into supercruise
>he pulls me out a third time
>I end up spinning like a beyblade right in front of his ship
>pobably not even 200 meters away from him
>get fucking obliterated
Really nigger?

>>153710439
so the game can pretend to have something for a copilot to do

>>153705693

She lurks here. I know because she's seen me rag on Aisling Duval for dyeing her hair but not her eyebrows.

>>153710537
submit and you can escape in 5 seconds with no spinning

the whole interdiction mechanic is shot

>>153710439

This is why I hate the fact that every ship has a huge battery of forward facing weapons for the pilot.

It's tryin to turn every ship into a dogfighter

>>153710537
Welcome to beginning systems. People like hunting newbies. A good way to dodge him from pulling you out of supercruise repeatedly is high waking, or in other words instead of jumping back into supercruise in the same system, instead jumping into another system

>>153710439
I think of turrets of more of a deterrent in the game right now. It makes (human) pilots strafe up down left right to avoid it and often puts them in a compromised position for forward-facing weapons.

>>153702497
capital ships were a mistake

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>>153710292
A ship the size of a freelancer shouldn't even have a manned turret, and these S1/S2 guns on turrets are a joke. They only turret that has felt okay-ish to me so far is the Starfarer's front turret, because the ship is big and slow enough to need it AND the turret has enough fire power to actually fuck up a ship.

>>153710936
They really need to up the firepower on turrets to something like quad guns and fix the control scheme so gunners won't have to fight the movement of the turret itself and the ship it's attached to all the time.

>>153710697
>>153710742
Thanks. Any advice on weapons for the vulture? I've saved up 10 million credits. Should I save up more so that I can get more upgrades right from the get go? I think about getting one beam laser and a autocannon or just two beam laser cause fuck it.

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>>153710707
Everything smaller than a starfarer or that isn't a Hull *should* be able to dogfight to some degree when not loaded down.

>>153710292
Johnny 5, this forum is for people, not robutts.
>>>/g/

>>153711341
the freelancer is a bit of a tradeship though innit

if it was as sluggish as a hauler or adder a turret would make a lot of sense

It seems that the ED community is at an all time low in quality. Was it the influx of new players or what?

in SC do bigger ships have NPC crews or can you use real players as crew? If so, do crew members actually have a roll or do they just sit in a seat and enjoy the ride?

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>>153711549
if it was sluggish enough to need turrets there would be no reason to use instead of the literal flying barge that holds seven times as much.

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>>153711972
Both. And theoreticly crew members will act as gunners, repair crews, or manage shied/power systems. But most of that isn't in game yet so no idea how they're going to make that all viable and worth doing without also causing mmo level forced grouping on larger ships.

>>153712230
>>153712062
What is the Freelancer Max for anyways? For people who like the look of freelancers while wishing it hauled cargo like a hull?

>>153711786
NMS died, ED is a recently released space game.

>>153711262
Get pulse lasers.

>>153712408
For people who wanted a step in-between the Lancer and Hull B on the 'cargo vs ability to defenditself' spectrum, I guess

>>153712408
For people that want less of the manouverability than the Freelancer affords over HULL series, but not as much of a dead weight that they are.

>>153712734
>>153712762
Will it say "Freelancer MAX (easy target)" or will I be able to pretend I'm a regular Freelancer?

>>153712549
Pretty sure the NMS guys have taken their salt to ED. Jesus christ, the amount of crying over PvP is at an all time high.

>>153712701
I've also seen some guys in the ED wiki recommend pulse lasers for the vulture, but no one said why. Is it because of the energy management?

>>153713084
yup
https://coriolis.io/outfit/vulture/24A5A4A3D5A4D3C1e1e0n040406B23201662f.Iw19kA==.EwBhEYy6wZhALCIA?bn=Dredd

>>153712873
The hull is visibly different, retard. You think it might be a secret?