/poeg/ - Path of Exile General

Markov patch notes are out, looks like earthquake nerf and sweep buff

thants based cirno

CIRNO EYE AM THE STRONGEST

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perandus/ascendancy was a mistake

the game is too easy and there's no going back

>>153343638
looks like EQ nerf and poison double-dipping removal on the horizon, boys.

>>153343719
perandus let folks actually get shit for crazy and exotic setups (oh no, build diversity!), rather than grinding for the entire league for enough currency to buy one or being exceedingly lucky enough to find one.

also, given how many shitters complain about the lab being too hard and gating their ascendancies, i'd say not too many people have those :^)

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>no chaos nerfs

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>At 24, you receive the Essence Back Attachment so you can look like a fucking retarded mutated ice golem! you softcore players like mtxes like that, right!?

>Oh and we double the end-game grind, so go kill Core Malachai 30 times lol, you hardcore autists like that, right?!

>>153343873
Essence drain train still chugging along strong.

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>>153343875

>>153343862
playing some deliberately shit build for the sake of memes is not "diversity," it's being a fucktard shitcrow

cadiro inflated the economy so bad that even T1 uniques were fucking worthless

it doesn't matter how hard the lab is when you can just buy a carry and do it safely and easily while reaping all of the benefits, and those benefits being so powerful that they make the entire game a stupid faceroll mess of shit

the only people who liked that league were noobs and shitters

fuck off

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Reminder that if you play softcore, you are better off here: /r/pathofexile

What's this cirno meme I don't get it..

>>153343953
>play only meta builds
>buy lab carries
>HURRRRRR GAME TOO EASY

literally the only good thing about poe being made piss easy is that there are more people playing hardcore than ever

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>>153343904

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how do I kill the whakawairua sea bitch boss

pay someone 2c to kill it for you

Name the build you plan to play in essence of emeril league, and then describe how it will be nerfed to oblivion in tomorrow's patch notes.

>ice trap saboteur
>increased mama cost and cooldown time to make it more in like worth eq in terms of attack speed

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>>153343875

>>153344362
mjolnir/soul taker + kitava's thirst CoC discharge 4.0

>>153344260
Ez
http://webmshare.com/EEQvX

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>>153344537

>>153344537
reminder LO was a thing

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Is the PoE Discord channel pretty active?

I wouldn't mind a comfy channel to sit in when the league starts.

>>153344651
silly juggernauts

>>153344716
You can't join our clique, fuck off.

is it worth playing es/ev trickster for defense or you just go ci?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqNiSsp5Lq0
our boy on power creep

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>>153344739
Oh well.

>>153344804
you can in fact do both. hell, you can still hit fucking hilarious ES numbers even after the acrobatics 1/2 penalty.

>>153344739
‘The struggle between the people and the hatred amongst them is being nurtured by very specific interested parties. It is a small, rootless, interleague clique that is turning the people against each other, that does not want them to have peace… It is the people who are at home both nowhere and everywhere, who do not have anywhere a soil on which they have grown up, but who live in Hardocre today, in Shitcore tomorrow, Standard the day after that, and then again in Hardcore or Permhc or Shitcore, and who feel at home everywhere. [Man in audience shouts ‘The RMTers!’] They are the only ones who can be addressed as interleague, because they conduct their business everywhere, but the people cannot follow them.’

>>153344824
damn Johnnie is a fattie fatso... lose some fucking weight you morbidly obese FUCK

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why is this allowed

someone post the discord. i am a softcore player.

>>153345094
Aleski is not fit to lead our people, I left GULP when I realized that, you should do the same before it's too late

>>153345094
disgusting

>>153344587
>soul taker
Anon...

>>153344362
ancestral warchief totems hierophant
nothing will happen to my boys

>>153344716
https://discord.gg/5hdfm

>>153344362
Some kind of Aegis build to shit on t15-t16 bosses with ease

No chance of being nerfed unless they remove block nodes, block from gear, aegis itself, nerf block on shields, nerf gladiator, which isn't going to happen

chris "fall asleep while playing" wilson

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>>153345138
>falseflagging
>fearmongering
nobody is going to join your pathetic little offshoot lmao get over it faggot

tfw scared to say anything in poeg discord because im a softcore player and i'm afraid they'll ask me what league i play..

first of all you're correct. no shitcrows allowed

second of all playing hardcore is as simple as clicking one button

>>153345593
your guild used to have over a dozen elite HC players, now it only has one, maybe two

there's nothing wrong with being a softcore player.

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going to play crit gmp ED this league

poeurl.com/J1D

>ED > GMP > VM > CD > RD > crit damage

so a spell does 50-100 damage base which makes it an average of 75 per hit,If I have
292% INCREASED spell damage from gear/tree/gems and 187% MORE spell damage from gear/tree/gems but the spell has a damage effectiveness of 60% how do you calculate damage?

anyone have to formula?

>>153346050
shitcrows whine about difficulty while procore players rise to the challenge

>>153346473
>while procore players rise to the challenge
>whining about having to buy shaper kill
top akak

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>>153346308
Shitcrow detected, it won't work.

>>153345593
Guild management is dead

>>153345138
Would totally join to No Ruskies Allowed

>>153345862
Who are those people you are talking about?

>>153346580
>>Who are those people you are talking about?
literally everyone who left when you thought you'd be a HAHA LOL unfunny faggot and change the guild tag to <ziggyd> for 3 months and then again to <9gag> after everyone told you to stop being a faggot, which of course led to the mass exodus i'm speaking of

enjoy you're're'r'e'r'er'e'r'e'r'ear'r'e'ar'e're'ra DEAD GUILD FAGGOT

Absolutely no news about p2w changes still. How long will they stay in denial for? Rip poe

>>153346670
>he's still butthurt over this
oh i am laffin'

>>153345094
nishukmagochuch itt

>>153346473
procore players stomp on their footswitch bound to the tcp logout macro as soon as they see a purple magic pack and ask someone in trade 1 to kill it for one chaos

>>153346671
they announced the "trade improvements" two days before perandus began so that'd be tomorrow

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>>153346786

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>>153346739
Teпepь этo pyccкий тpeд

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Are there any cute boys here who'd like to team up and get bullied by me?

>>153346872
Haйc пpoeкции

>>153346918
>Haйc пpoeкции
wahat did he mean by this?

>>153346872
I'm cute but I do the bullying, sorry.

>>153346998
He meant
"Taк зaчeм жe ты пpoeциpyeшь"

>>153346872
I'm cute but my cock is 10 inches

fuck burger king 2bh

>>153346407
a-anyone?

>>153346872
you again? fuckoff retard

Mepтвый тpeд
Mepтoвoй игpы

speak american you fucking commie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaal_River

Vaal is a Dutch name (later Afrikaans), translated by the Griquas or Boers[7] from an earlier Kora Khoikhoi name Tky-Gariep (/hei !garib, drab river).[8] Both Vaal and Tky mean "drab" or "dull", which alludes to the colour of the waters, especially noticeable during flood season when the river carries a lot of silt. In the upper reaches the river was named Likwa (Sindebele), Ikwa (isiZulu), ilikwa (siSwati), lekwa (Sesotho), or cuoa by the Khoikhoi, all referring to the plain it traverses.[8]

DEEPEST
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New player. If I pick all spell crit, health and mana nodes, and play with lightning and frost spells, will I have a good time?
Power charges maxed always, big shields, taking damage from my huge mana pool, two elements just in case, maybe throw a golem in there.

>>153347484
Hello, daunich, it's russian thread now

>wake up
>no patchnotes
>no relevant news
>dogheat still not willing to pay his lost bet

why even live.

>>153346670
Why is this guy so upset over a guild tag? lmfao grow up already

>>153347645
oppa

>>153347583
no just focus on one skill and scale it from the tree/support gems from its skill tags,for example fireball can be scaled from fire,elemental,spell,projectile.so pick shit that match it

mana nodes are almost never worth it btw

>>153347668
>this guy
i speak on behalf of everyone who left the guild that day

nobody in poeg likes shiggyp, not even ironically

>>153347583
>two elements
bad idea
>MoM
bad idea as well, barely ever works on mana

>>153347672
oppa!

>>153347583
Hybrid spellcasters are not a thing in PoE, pick a spell and stick with it, this is not D2. Crit is poor unless you're rich enough to scale it, you're not since you're new, stick to non-crit with Elemental Overload. MoM can be okay if you use Warlord's Mark for dual sustain.

>>153347791
>>153347708
O-oh.... okay I guess.
Can I dual wield wands? Is a shield better than two spell damage wands?

first of all GULP is the official poeg guild and if you don't like it go make your own but it still won't change that fact

>>153347659
>>no patchnotes
but there are, they're just shuffled up by a Markov Chain algorithm :^)

i wonder if its possible to level as ci now with the new essences

>>153347871
><GULP> is more official then <POEG>

doubtful

>>153347862
Yes

Yes if you play on hardcore, shields can roll spell damage too and the base block (22%+) and defensive rolls are a direct improvement over dual wielding (15% base block)

>>153347891
I'm gonna try.

>always debate if you should save the 6 skill points from grabbing whispers of doom and just using deodres damming instead

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mithia can i join your guild?

>>153344362
cyclone or scion warchiefs

>>153348001
You know you can corrupt amulets for +1 curse right? it's generally more efficient than losing a ring slot even if the amulet is garbage

Whispers of Doom is good because you get +10% curse effectiveness too, but not for 6 points, end game

>>153348095
yeah getting +1 curse is ideal but its expensive

>>153345138
Only thing you need leader for is to kick people.

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>>153348170
this only cost me 8ex

g i t g u d

>>153347917
POEG was a joke guild made by esk

there's no guild stash and no poeg members left in it, except for that autist

GULP is official, deal with it nerdo

>>153348191
fucking lucker dog

>>153348240
esk is in SESH, no?

>>153348170
Nope, you can get one yourself within ~20 vaals, and as I said even if the other stats end up being garbage, you make up for it by replacing Doedre's with a decent rare ring

>>153348240
<POEG> > <GULP>

deal with it nerdling

>>153347267
>base * summed additives * individual multiplicatives * damage effectiveness
>n * (1+2.92) * ??? * .6

If you had Controlled Destruction and Elemental Focus, then ??? would be:
>(1 + 0.44) * (1 + 0.49)

You'd still need to account for crit chance and crit multipliers.

>want to submit my super secret OP build to project pt so he optimizes my skill tree
>dont want redditor faggos stealing my tree

>>153348312
yes she moved on

>>153348380
PM it to me.

>>153348380
reminder projectretard once "optimized" a SRS tree by picking MINION LIFE and MINION LIFE LEECH nodes... truly a player ahead of the curve...

>>153348378
I cant into math desu,Still dont get it....

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>>153347791
>implying

I just spent all my fg to camgirls. it was worth it

Haven't played for over a year. Have a level 80 Marauder that used to be running RF.

What do I do with this guy? How do I make him decent to solo some maps and shit?

Show I just restart? Or wait for a league?

>I need my streamer senpai to correct my tree and tell me how to play the game
unironically remove yourself from the surface of the earth

>>153348676
whats wrong with asking for help?

>>153348637
Stop being a default league scrubshit, there's a new expansion in 3 days and 85% of the playerbase will be playing challenge leagues

>didn't recognize the sarcasm in asking projectShitT for tree optimization

nice autism

>>153348750
Fug, I wanted something to play today

>>153348805
play your RF marauder then
be sure to acquaint yourself with the labyrinth and ascendancies

>>153348805
play with your dick like the rest of us.

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Do you guys ever switch characters and then accidantly use the wrong hotkeys to play your character and nearly die?

2015: projectpt is the worst player ever
2016: projectpt is good and based

funny how times change

>When you unlock a bug where Leap Slam would be self-cast.

>>153348984
maybe according to reddit, idiot

>>153349028
he's literally our guy

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>guild drama

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>want to play hybrid
>am reminded it's complete garbage in lab because you take more damage than either life or CI

WHERE ARE THE PATCH NOTES

WHICH ONE OF YOU IS HIDING THEM?

just don't get hit

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYCAEV8iw4JIPmkl5dauaOjcNT79UyDtDh0geUZjDZUR6a-nsRd8g5I7hURlrd1HvB_xpMnwcVsC76K74jsGIhCoEMi9KEvytP5N4_6LL-CHh3ZE4NtGbQM18_Q0BXXFLBDVA6OEVDZW5f06rpJsUcGhq5MLfRxI181uRslUlMNfDQK2-dWYxEPpysdT0uul5U9X1fJN2ZsCHBRrJjpAjeDLKbxinZvswP319-KpuuQ1n6wMhiESJuh2FRTMVxr4vcYasNtAW94L4t6fOU2xVgH2CRWSKcI6-4c3DLRjxpFR4hAwGY8BZ_f73w=

rate my super secret OP build.Literally none of you will guess the skill I will be using.

>>153349269
i am
i am the hoarding shitcrow of secret patchnotes
unless you +(you) this post patchnotes will never be posted again

what should i play for über lab farmer at the start of the league? i don't want eq, fb, traps or exp arro

>>153349345
viper strike

will knowing russian make me more currency throught trading thanks to being able to efficiently negotiate with russians who barely know english?

>that pathing
kys

>>153349336
NVM OLD VERSION that pathed trough top of witch.

Correct version

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYCAEV8iw4JIPmkl5dauaOjcNT79UyDtDh0geUZjDZUR6a-nsRd8g5I7hURlrd1HvB_xpMnwcVsC76K74jsGIhCoEMi9KEvytP5N4_6LL8d2RODbRm0DNfP0NAV10NUDo4RUNlbl_TqukmxRwaGrvRxI181uRslUlMNfDQK2-dWY6crHU9LrpeVPV9XyTdmbAhwUekCKPo3gyym8Yp2b7MD34q4k6brkNZ-sDIYHNzYVFMx6-6PGqcIMtHYJEVHNsVWSIhAwGaLejwFAW-f3-984veESPfXXGubocNtGGp4L3zlWAc=

>>153345182
literally just for the "use melee for free" effect.

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>>153349229
>want to make a fun build
>don't have the slightest idea of how to build characters or what skills to build around or how to even play poe

>>153349340
GIVE THEM HERE

R E E E E E
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check the updated tree fag.
that was a rough draft.
rome was not built in a day.

>>153349479
>>153349269
bex already said that it'd be posted on wednesday their time, so i'm guessing sometime in the next 12-16 hours.

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>>153349336
great pathing moron

>>153349436
no damage: the tree
filling the scion ES wheel is the typical noob red flag

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look at all these people excited for atlas

>>153349832
will be 100/100 on the day of release

Is Flameblast only decent with prolif? I'm thinking about trying to make one without it in Essence, without any +burn nodes so I can take everything else I need. Is it that much of a nerf to not go prolif/burn and just do straight fire damage? It's not like shit won't be constantly igniting anyway due to the massive burst damage it does.

>>153349614
pathing trough the bottom is still better,takes me 5 to just connect and 7 to pickup the jewel,takes 4 points to connect from scion es wheel and I get a jewel.so its a net of 3 points.

>>153349713
I can remove 2 points from the scion es wheel which give me 12% es and get the shadow nullification line with those 2 points and get 15 es%
good call anon

>>153349832
that's not out yet. hmm.

>>153349860
it's usually over 50, but it was only 25 for prophecy, and i'm betting less than 20 for atlas

it's depressing

>>153349867
you're asking different questions in the same breath

you want fire/ele clusters over burning ones because they double dip, but focusing on burning on top can significantly increase your single target dps, which is usually what flameblasters struggle with

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Will this work, poetards?
http://poeurl.com/J1P

first of all memeblasters prioritize cast speed and use a sceptre+dagger so they can use whirling blades

>>153350010
Basically, my trees I'm deciding over are between https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMCARekEzVresi_1AfcjZD6323fiukCS64bJdlbbRkRUDW5pyuX9FJTPV-XlSL0bAuTJ76KytO0DOq6DXxXySj6gsf56EGHnL4NHzwoTLMEB4PbVcY6WKyY99eESFxrw23xbDbYSRsqjexV74j5N9fPSbF_xsHFiEId2UNU9HHsGHC7Tm2lxJwyj_rw1UlRoS_QH-_rna4DdZErWHdfBBpsNukkqhZv42q3Pv4K8kU64aZXTeP-jzWS2L24kxzcjxqnCOQiKU-ePIx27DiFe2ZUgpshsDT3l4UulIGvuNDaOrEFg8w8LYNfm6EYangvfOVYBxg8vScYVvrSFy9k51XWgKTr7g== for more mana reserve so I can take 3 curse+fire resist aura, or https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMCARekEzVresi_1AfcjZD6323fiukCS64bJdlbbRkRUDW5pyuX9FJTPV-XlSL0bAuTJ76KytO0DOq6DXxXySj6gsf56EGHnL4NHzwoTLMEB4PbVcY6WKyY99eESFxrw23xbDbYSRsqjexV74j5N9fPSbF_xsHFiEId2UNU9HHsGHC7Tm2lxJwyj_rw1UlRoS_QH-_rna4DdZErWHdfBBpsNukkqhZv42q3Pv4K8kU64aZXTeP-jzWS2L24kxzcjxqnCOQiKU-ePIx27DiFe2ZUgpshsDT3l4UulIGvuNDaOrEFg8w8LYNfm6EYangvfOVYBxg8vScYVo9GHRQSaRcccXkYZQ== or all the burn nodes
Only 4 nodes change, I know, and I'm kind of still deciding on dropping a few things to grab Amplify since I'm close to it for more AoE. I suppose I can always just respec if I don't like one, since again it's only like 5 nodes total that I would need to reset.

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>>153349713
this is all the more multipliers I have at gem level 20,not sure if using Tremor rod is worth it,you lose 10% more damage from remote mine level 20 and lose 35% from tremor rod which makes it 45 Less damage for a 7 link.I can also use a wand/dagger+shield or 6l+3 lightning staff

So do my normal league character gets a free skill reset in 3 days when the expansion comes out?

How do old characters handle getting a new skill three balance patch?

>it's a meme nova mine build
fucking pre-expansion poeg

I'm new. I'm currently playing with lvl 40 lightning-based templar with herald of thunder, clarity and lightning tendrils (best dps for now, but it could be any other aoe lightning spell I guess). Will a build like that work in later game? For now it works really well but maybe the normal difficulty is just so easy.

>>153350321
its not,its a lightning skill that goes really really well with trickster

I'm gonna order a set of weights and get as ripped as Mathil this league.

>>153350393
>Will a build like that work in later game?
Sure, why not?

>>153350297
yes

if you have allocated any points that were removed/moved around the tree gets reset automatically, otherwise the reset is optional

>mathil
>ripped

>>153350423
>as ripped as Mathil
but Mathil doesn't play hardcore

>>153350423
based

>>153350454
Pretty legit. Thanks, senpai.

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>>153350157

>>153350497
Watch your fucking mouth, kid. Mathil played HC in the fucking 48h race and even did Atziri in it.

>>153351359
oh wow he downed a 3 year old boss? amazing

where is his demi though?

>>153344824
I didn't realize the guy on the right was Chris before he spoke. Christ he looks awful.

>>153351412
Nice manyavre

hi my name's dragnlyte and I'm not a retard

>>153344824
>Powercreep
This is not powercreep. They're not discussing powercreep and what Ziggy refers to as powercreep isn't powercreep.

>>153351848
But powercreep is still an issue
You only have to look at new skills to realise it

>>153351848
>what Ziggy refers to as powercreep isn't powercreep.
>it literally is

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>>153351848
>a thing isn't a thing because it doesn't fit my personal prescribed definition of it

>>153351963
You mean they're having balance issues.
Do we have a skill that's like firestorm except it's simply more powerful? No difference in mechanic at all?

There's no powercreep in this game yet.
>>153352062
Well there's the common definition that's written on thousands of wiki pages and in forums and old discussions everywhere.
And it's the shit you thought up a few minutes ago shitcrow.

>>153352143
>There's no powercreep in this game yet.
retard

>>153352143
>Do we have a skill that's like firestorm except it's simply more powerful?
Yes. Icestorm.

Are you retarded?

>>153352286
Look at the wikipedia article child.
>Icestorm is a cold spell only available through The Whispering Ice
Is cold objectively better than fire?
Is the whispering ice the ultimate damage potential staff?

You seem retarded. I picked firestorm because it's the weakest example to my case imo. But firestorm has many advantages.

>this anon literally requires a spell called "firestorm 2.0" that's twice as powerful as normal firestorm to fit his definition of powercreep

>>153352447
>Is cold objectively better than fire?
yes
>Is the whispering ice the ultimate damage potential staff?
No, but we're talking about powercreep in skills. Don't try to change the subject.
>But firestorm has many advantages.
Icestorm has all the same advantages and more.
There's no reason to use firestorm if you have icestorm available to you.

phase run or golem in your low level cwdt setup lads.Your answer will expose you as top tier hc ladder pusher or redditer shitcrow

first of all golem in cwdt is just lazy gaming

>>153352674
>There's no reason to use firestorm if you have icestorm available to you.
this is what some people actually believe

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>>153352586
No here's an example of powercreep.
There's no reason to play one over the other.
Whispering ice is an incredibly weak case for powercreep.
>>153352674
>No, but we're talking about powercreep in skills. Don't try to change the subject.
Oh, so basically we're testing the skills entirely in isolation without consideration for any character constraints?
The whispering ice is an implicit constraint.
Not to mention that level 1 icestorm is the only version that exists in the game so far. So compare level 20 firestorm to level 1 icestorm.

None of that makes sense, because I used your logic.

Apply that logic to your game and you will find that RF is infinitely sustainable so you should always run it.
>cold is objectively better than fire
Full on pretending to be retarded here i bet.

>>153352828
Golem all day err day.

>>153352914
shitcrow that dies to chain maps
EXPOSED

>>153352828
Phase run. If I don't self cast it already. And it also depends on what I have room for. Golems are weak as shit at low levels though.
>top tier hc ladder pusher
Dumb grinding players.

Would this build be able to do core?

poeurl.com/J1T

Uniques:

Brain Rattler
Lightning Coil
Thunderfist
Atziri's Promise
Vessel of Vinktar

>>153352898
>Fire Rager phased out by Ice Rager
>Fire Storm phased out by Ice Storm

The pottery, its so thick.

>shitters dont know what powercreep is

>>153352898
Ice Rager isn't the cause of powercreep but the result of powercreep. Causes of powercreep were cards like Piloted Shredder which were straight up better versions of cards commonly used like Yeti.

Powercreep = similar and better than something commonly used.

See: Cleave and Reave, Ground Slam and Earthquake, Atziri's Disfavour and Rare 2h Axes

>shitters think power creep doesn't exist in PoE

>every build is either shit or I have already played it
meh

>>153352986
fire rager wasn't phased out by ice rager
fire rager was phased out by being worse than every other 3drop already in the game

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>>153353472
iktf

>>153353472
Frenzy Ranged attack totem with conduit and coc mines

>>153353472
Play Grim Dawn or Diablo III instead.

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>>153353225
Atleast there's an argument here.
No. I don't think that makes much sense.
>causes of powercreep
The cause of powercreep is the devs desire to expand the game, for whatever reason. In hearthstones case they will need powercreep to sustain with little effort because the effects in the game can be bothersome to do. It's an economic choice.
>Cleave and Reave
Cleave has less AOE, higher damage, significantly higher damage. Far more effective with on hit effects from individual weapons.
>Groundslam
Stun potential. Obviously largely laughed at but it's far more defensive than Earthquake obviously.
>atziri's disfavour and rare 2h axes
see picture
Yes. Atziris disfavour has weapon range which is nice but clearly there's very valid reasons to use either disfavour or this mirror rare. And this is obviously not the only good rare.

>>153353225
>Causes of powercreep were cards like Piloted Shredder which were straight up better versions of cards commonly used like Yeti.

Not straight up better. Generally better, but sometimes worse. It isn't a strictly better card.
Meanwhile Ice Rager is straight up better than Magma Rager. Strictly so.

>>153353782
>stun
>mirror rares
>higher base damage on cleave which reave more than makes up for with conc effect

nice counter-argument.

I don't know why, but I hoarded a lot of rings and amulets. Must be a habit from another game or something.
Now I look at my inventory with 100 rings and amulets in it, and I look at the vendor recipes, and I see they are useless.

Do I just bulk sell them for scrap?

>>153353859
But magma rager wasn't commonly used. it wasn't even used period.

That example is less power creep and more of a cash grab.

>>153354238
depends if you have any good rings out of them,if you dont want to be bothered with checking just sell them all to vendor

>>153354337
I have ALL the rings and amulets that dropped, a full f2p tab of rings, mostly blue ones, with some high quality white and yellows.
I guess I should sort them and see if any are good for side characters, sell the rest.
I was just left with the impression that I can vendor 3 rings for 1 better or something and gathered everything.

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>>153354106
>mirror rares
Actually just good rares.
Good rares is enough.
Crit is also pretty shit on disfavour
>conc
Cleave can also use conc.
Cleave is usually not worth investing in because people focus on AOE a lot. And there's better single target.
Does cleave not fit a role anymore? That's an argument you can make. But if you require mid-tier AOE it's a very good skill.
>stun
Yeah you laugh at it but if you stack a bunch of stun duration and reduced stun threshold you get far with that.
>>153354238
>and I look at the vendor recipes, and I see they are useless.
Yeah. If you can't make them chaos or regals just scrap them. They're too low ilevel to roll good enough for perm leagues.

>>153354318
and now ice rager isn't used

>>153354408
there are some vendor recipies for ring,check the wiki

>>153354419
Also the argument here isn't that I'm happy with what GGG is doing. It's more that powercreep is the wrong word for it and the I was "born this millenium"-community should stop bastardizing the language.

>>153354419
>Cleave can also use conc.
and not hit anything
Reave can use conc effect and hit off-screen with no aoe nodes on the tree.

>Does cleave not fit a role anymore? That's an argument you can make.
That's the argument i'm making, yes.

>>153353776
This

I'm playing Grim dawn and i'm getting dem TQ Vibes all over again.

It's really fun,comes with a big chunk of content too.

>>153354569
>That's the argument i'm making, yes.
Then you're not arguing it's powercreep. It just doesn't fit the current game.
You wouldn't argue that all sustain in the game is powercreeping over Devouring Totem. It just doesn't fit the current game. If you had a lot of corpses to eat and you don't wanna spam detonate dead or you use that.

Why does literally nobody play Necro? most underrated ascendancy ever imo, does no one realize how strong offerings are if they affect you?

>>153355149
It's because there's better alternatives. Like sorting all your damage with elementalist and focusing on defense.

"Bosses that had a reduced effect of curses on them now have a LESS multiplier rather than a reduction." (Over time, more and more curse effect has been made available to players. With the boss curse effect reduction being additive, the increased curse effect available to players overwhelmed it. Temporal Chains and Enfeeble arguably still trivialise most bosses.)

blasphemy babbies B T F O

>curses nerfed
Oh man the game will become marginally harder for me.

>>153355281
>Temporal Chains and Enfeeble arguably still trivialise most bosses

it just means you have to get hex master and skittering runes for blasphemy to be worth using

leer cast dying breath literally free curse effect

>never played EQ
>want to play EQ next league
>found an EQ poison bleed build
>they're gutting EQ and poison

Typical.

>>153354768
>Then you're not arguing it's powercreep. It just doesn't fit the current game.
I like how you're trying to make me go from powercreep->doesn't have a role->doesn't fit the current game. You argue like a fucking shitlord.

>You wouldn't argue that all sustain in the game is powercreeping over Devouring Totem. It just doesn't fit the current game. If you had a lot of corpses to eat and you don't wanna spam detonate dead or you use that.
Yes, if they buffed the skill by increasing its usability it would be better. Fucking hell just stop.

all they have to do is apply a 0.50 multiplier instead of 60 reduced like it is currently

this changes little for people who don't invest in curse effectiveness:
100% - 60% curse effectiveness = 40% curse effectiveness
100% * 0.5 = 50% curse effectiveness

=> curses still work at half effectiveness vs bosses

and limits the trivialization of support cucks and blasphemy babbies
160% - 60% curse efffectiveness = 100% curse effectiveness
160% * 0.5 = 80% curse effectiveness

200% - 60% curse efffectiveness = 140% curse effectiveness
200% * 0.5 = 100% curse effectiveness

=> curses can no longer work at default effectiveness unless you stack up to 100% increased curse effectiveness

>>153355817
good, maybe you can challenge yourself with making your own build now instead of copypasting the latest fotm broken shit

>>153355934
didn't read any of this

>>153355824
>powercreep
We've been over what this means. And you didn't argue against it.
>doesn't have a role
Which is closer to powercreep certainly. A skill that's caught in an awkward spot where it's overlapped in such a way that it's not favored often.
>doesn't fit the current game
Certainly has a role, but the content that's run in the game doesn't require it.
I used to run devouring totem during bloodlines because of necrovigil for instance. That was valid. It still exists. But the mechanic is much rarer. Might return. Maybe detonate dead or whatever you'd call those Stygian Revenant resurrections. Aside from skills that are simply options this is as far from powercreep you can be.
>fucking hell just stop
Yeah I'm being right and it's upsetting you. You're shit at arguing and doesn't understand it. Frustrating of course.

But maybe you could also just stop being an annoying bitch and thinking you should have the last word even when you're backing off with every post.
This argument in the thread has gone:
Video doesn't talk about powercreep->Powercreep exists but we were wrong about what it was->These completely different skills are powercreep->These skills are too similar->This skill doesn't have a use
SO yeah. Maybe you can imagine how annoyed I'd be if I were as anal as you are about this shit. You're literally complaining that you're backing off and I'm taking ground.

Stop arguing when you're wrong, that's all you have to do.

>>153356221
TL;DR is that GGG is nerfing curse effectiveness against bosses

you will no longer be able to run dual blasphemy enfeeble temp chains and not care about the rest of your defenses against the hardest content

>>153356316
"doesn't fit the current game" is innacurate as fuck. you're trying to paint balance issues in the game as some generic non-problem and it's really fucking retarded

>>153356369
they shoulda nerfed blasphemy and not curse on hit

>>153356478
>balance issues
Not power creep.
>balance issues
>doesn't fit current game
Having a mechanic in a game before it has a use is not a balance problem. It's something that's waiting for future content.
You couldn't have a 'increased steam power" gem in the game and say that it's OP or UP.
Devouring totem is not a balance issue. It's weaker because it devours corpses.
>but that's weaker, devouring corpses is already a penalty
No it's not. But that'd be another argument.
>inaccurate as fuck
No it's plenty accurate. But maybe people like you need to have it elaborated. It did fit the game during bloodlines. It doesn't anymore. It might in the future. It's just that anti-corpse play isn't prevalent right now which is what you call a 'balance issue'.

Are prophecies useful? I have this huge stack of silver coins I'm too lazy to use

>>153356686
with the exception of a few fated uniques ones, not really

>>153356686
map drop one is good as well

>wake up
>still no patch notes
>go back to sleep

>>153355934
So you're saying they should adjust their numbers because they're now using a different operator to balance curses well?
No way?!

If I had faith in GGG I'd say they're adjusting these numbers. But maybe they're not. Probably not.
>>153356558
Doesn't solve that much. And applying curses using a corrupted senath's gentle touch. That's a nerf to curses sure but if curses are unnerfed for curse on hit it's still OP.
>>153356686
Just keep them.

>literally all unique amulets suck except for astramantis and chayula

>>153357035
>astramantis and chayula

what year is it

>>153357035
and volls you fucking retard

@153357035
going to have to try harder for a (You) I'm afraid

>>153357081
>>153357069
ty for the free YOUS

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predictions on what opal ring, blue pearl amulet and spiked gloves are?

what we know:
steel ring: upgrade to iron ring
marble amulet: upgrade to coral amulet
vanguard belt: ar/eva belt
crystal belt: upgrade to chain belt
bone helmet: minion damage implicit
gripped gloves: proj damage implicit
fingerless gloves: spd implicit
two-toned boots: dual res implicit

Where are the fucking patch notes, Chris.

patch notes in a couple of hours?

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>>153356986
wish i could sleep with you x

>>153356673
Let's go over power creep again because you clearly didn't get it the first time.

Let's use the Piloted Shredder example. It's better than Yeti in pretty much every case. Yeti has a slightly different utility, by being a body that can't be silenced, but it's still worse than shredder since it competes for the same role as a 4-drop and silence-heavy decks or decks that punish deathrattles aren't a thing.

You can nerf shredder by making silence more popular, giving more deathrattle-punish cards, by lowering its stats or removing it from the standard card pool (the method they chose). The amount of ways you can deal with the problem doesn't change the fact that it's power creep, a card newly introduced that's essentially a strictly superior alternative to another powerful card, creeping the game's overall card power level higher.

That's power creep. That's why for example Earthqauke is powercreep, as any new skill they add has to match up against Earthquake instead of Ground Slam.

>>153356743
>>153356893
>>153356991
thanks

>>153357694
Ground Slam is vastly superior to EQ for stun builds so your entire argument just crumbled at the very end

>>153357472
opal ring: uprade to mana ring
blue pearl amulet: paua amulet
spiked gloves: Maybe unarmed or reflect or block gloves, or something for melee in general

I'd bet somethin' on the first two

>>153357801
Yeti is vastly superior to Shredder against anti-deathrattle decks, so fucking what?

Stun is shit, anti-deathrattle decks are shit. If you wanna buff GS by making stun viable that's just your choice of accepting power creep and bringing Ground Slam up to the game's newly creeped-up power level.

>>153357801
Not that guy but fast clearing is vastly superior to stun builds. What the fuck is even a stun build why would you want to run that instead of EQ.

>>153357472
>opal
More all res to please the newbs
>blue pearl
Freeze immunity to please the newbs
>spiked gloves
100% more damage implicit.

>>153357991
>Stun is shit
According to whom? Why do you get to decide what is shit and not, and consequently what skills are supposedly power creep or not?

Stop responding to this "poe has no powercreep" mongoloid

powercreep is a term adopted by redditards I had never seen it mentioned here before it became reddit's mantra

>>153358165
too vague

>>153358072
>According to whom?
According to anyone with a fucking clue
>Why do you get to decide?
Because I have a fucking clue

>>153358165
what did he mean by this?

Oh no! Oh holy crap! I was so thrilled when I first saw the title of the video. Finally! Finally it'll all get fixed, it will all be good again! Then, watching the video left my world shattered. gasp - The power creep was intentional? GGG actually LIKES the state their game is in??

I am fine with easy to grind parts in the game. Hell yes, sometimes it is relaxing to just be able to turn your brain off, watch some TV while grinding easy content. Sometimes! But don't make it the norm!

Even D3s torment system is way better than what we currently have. At least it gives you the choice to play the game the way you like. Blaze through content for the fraction of exp and reward, or engage in bloody, gritty hand-to-hand combat where monsters take 20 times as long to kill but yield 20x more exp and better reward.

PoE is no longer a Hack'n'Slash, it gradually has become more and more of an Asia Grinder. It's sad times for the ARPG fan community.

based level 70 standard shitcrow

>>153358838
>Blaze through content for the fraction of exp and reward, or engage in bloody, gritty hand-to-hand combat where monsters take 20 times as long to kill but yield 20x more exp and better reward.
Thats not how it works

first of all if GGG were actually happy with the current state of the game they wouldn't be buffing monster HP and nerfing ascendencies

clearly this is all a ruse to make us believe the power creep is intentional so they don't look like the incompetent fools that they are

>>153358980
more accurate would be 20 times as long to kill but yield 3-4x more exp/rewards
shame that's Less Efficient so you just speedfarm anything that isn't grift pushing
I think cube materials are actually pretty alright in their reward per level, though

one can be happy with the general state of the game and still seek to improve it

how many of those retarded redditshits complaining about the game being "too easy" have even reached t13+ maps when they complain they can't self-sustain t10s in the next post

did they confirm if prophecy was being added to main game?

>>153359443
yes, like a month ago

>>153359443
yep, you save navali in some act1 quest. silver is supossed to drop way less

not enough ms paint itt

you should all be ashamed of yourselves

im waiting for patch notes before deciding on my build

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>corrupting for science
>and it works

>>153360224
too bad those gloves are useless

>lvl1 temp chains

153360224
shitcrows everyone

these are the people GGG is pandering to

>>153360292
>>153360305
Dual curse on hit
>not leveling with style

>>153341780
that's actually worse than 'less' in this case because it stacks additively with fortify (assuming fortify is one of your defensive layers.

Fortify takes you from 100 to 80% damage taken.
Berserker keystone takes you from 80% to 90% so it's really a relative increase of 12.5% damage taken.

It gets worse if you take the fortify wheel.
15% increased effect of fortify on you; 1.15 * .2 = .23
77% damage taken with fortify
10%/77% = 12.99% relative damage increase due to Berserker keystone.

When it isn't quite so bad is when you're shocked or cursed with vulnerability/projectile weakness.

i play crit berserker with abyssus and tabula in hardcore

>>153360224
Why though? You could've gone for, like, winds of change or something instead. Those ones are leveling gloves.

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At what % of life leeching do you offset an ele reflect map mod? And is it possible to achieve this without taking berserker or slayer?

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>>153263803
>free
>>153282060
>free
>>153293520
>free
>>153294553
>free
>>153334281
>free
>>153340663
>free

>>153360536
>doesn't get the swag
I'm in the library and this girl just holla at me and pointed to a note where she left her number.
>>153360734
I tried Voltaxic and when I had taken all the duelist lifeleech nodes I could run Ele-reflect with vaalpact and not really notice it (aside from cwdt spam and a few non-instant regeneration situations in red maps). So that's duelyst nodes*(1/0.4) you need at most. Probably a lot less.

>>153360734
>she will never cosplay witch and make you suck her dirty feet

>>153360734
red map reflect: 18%
standard resist: 75%

leech needed to offset reflect: 18*(1-0.75)%

is elementary math so hard?

Is Ziz a fag? Fags usually talk the way he does

18*1=18
18-0,75 = 17.25

he dated women out of your league so no

No. He hangs out with girls a lot and has an Irish Norwegian accent.

>>153349229
>taking damage from traps
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Traps Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Out Of The Blades Like Nigga Click Away Haha

>>153361407
>implying you never died to lab trials or lab traps

not him but no
im proud tho. you probably die because of your softcore mindset

the "just don't get hit bro xD" is a shitcore mentality

people stack life on hardcore because getting hit is inevitable

except in lab stacking life+es is detrimental because you end up taking more damage than otherwise

it is pretty strange that they dont deal damage based on life+es total..

>>153361663
ok

>>153361776
Yeah, only taking 1 damage per hit while in chaos innoculation because of scaled life damage is retarded

>>153361663
No one dies to traps in the lab. They die to Izaro. And specifcally they only die to Izaro when he has a sword and does his spin-around slash.

And anyone who tells you he doesn't snapshot that attack is a lying fucker. You can't reactively granite flask it.

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So when I use this + Enfeeble the crits will do less than normal hits?

>>153361978
No. They do 100% damage. Just like players can't do less than 100% damage on a crit.

>>153361978
Yes, don't forget to pick up Indomitable and wear a Belt of the Deceiver too ;)

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>>153362087

>>153362161
me

>>153361898
(1+13000)*somefactor<=>(13000+1)*somefactor

>>153357801
>Ground Slam is vastly superior to EQ for stun builds
the earthquake aftershock does so much more damage than a ground slam that it completely makes up for ground slam's stun threshold reduction (and that's assuming you don't have very much stun threshold reduction, if you actually have a lot then ground slam is actually worse), also it does more damage.

They're both equally effective at trying to hit the 20% chance to stun, ground slam is only technically better at stunning because it's faster.

>>153361663
>t. noobtard shitcrow who has no idea what he's talking about

it doesn't matter how much defense you stack, you LITERALLY can't get hit

>>153361467
yeah, i did
on my first character
the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>153361042
Are you retarded? It was implied I was asking how you get 5%+ life leech
>>153361040
She has clean cute feet pervo
>>153361015
>Voltaxic
Maybe before Prophecy that was a thing, not anymore

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>>153362565
>tfw you touch 2 spinning logs at the same time on your first character

>>153362628
>voltaxic
Cleared, atziri, uber atziri, uber lab, and red maps fine.
Sure, frostwall cheese helps.

>>153362628
you don't need to because you can block, dodge, and evade your reflect

the only scenario where you would need to 100% offset reflect would be in a double reflect map as a RT build with no block and no dodge

>Navali will be able to join your hideout. This was not a problem we were able to solve for the league, but as a core part of the game, players will want access to Navali in a way that suits their normal style of play.
>this was not a problem we were able to solve for the league
I mean as much as i appreciate the transparency.
WHAT THE FUCK GGG.
You're so bad at game development you can't add an NPC to the hideout when the only interaction it has with the world is through the prophecy system. It's not supposed to spawn anything, it's figuratively a glorified button. And they can't add it to any zone they want.
Shit, if they're that bad why not just place her at the start of every map zone AND place her in town.

So dumb.

>>153362831
have you run out of things to complain?

>>153361663
>playing hardcore when you're so bad you die to traps
>not even uber traps, so you have access to your movement skill
Do you need to wear a helmet when walking around at home to keep from bumping into walls?

Voltaxic LA is probably a pretty good first build for Essence league. Probably about a dozen chaos or so to make your own 5L a few days in I would suppose.

Guess I'll do some of that. Unless the patch notes bitch me out.

>>153362878
>ggg are shit at gamedev
>not a primary concern
It is. Either they're so bad they don't even play the game for 5 seconds to realize that she should have been a master without missions or some shit.
Or they're so incompetent they can't just make a button in the hideout at will.

Try and picture yourself in their position and realize just how incompetent you should be feeling.

>>153363013
lol... okay bro whatever you say...

>>153363069
>>153362878
the fuck?

prophecy was garbage. easily the worst league they've ever made

>>153362978
Yeah voltaxic is (was) pretty cheap last league. Especially the corrupted ones.
Since your single target is just icewall it's like a 2 socket voltaxic you need and a 4-5l chest.

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>mfw Pathfinder gets buffed

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So what's the most Touhou ice build?
barrage CoC ice spear? it seems like the extra crit on ice spear won't actually be that useful since you'll have so much crit already that it just overcaps you.

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>>153363265
>mfw they nerf gladiator

You mean nerfed right

>>153363151
Nah. Bloodlines and beyond were way worse imo. If we ignore the sound update issues which affected certain players in prophecy.
But those weren't issues you can catch as easy as this issue.

>>153363369
Call of the brotherhood
Icewall KB 100% pierce Icespear+spark.
Or stormcall. Depends on what you prefer.

>>153363537
>beyond
hardcuck with a shitty PC detected, beyond was fun as all fuck

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>>153363265
excellent

>>153363760
Beyond had tons of early league issues anon. Like, unplayable game issues. Couldn't play the game even with 90+coldres issues.
Unkillable mob bug issues.
Instance crash and rollback issues

Did you even try and push for first 100 shitcrow?

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>>153362726
Didn't the -40% chaos conversion totally annihilated what it was intended for?
>>153362757
I always thought acrobatics was a meme

>>153363537
looking at player numbers the only league that had less people playing it was invasion, but invasion only sucked because of balance issues

>>153363785
>you will never be a slutty girl capable of multiple orgasm and make a living literally doing nothing.

>>153363369
i mean it's cirno so it shouldn't be a good build

so fucking horny but doing no fap
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A TEMPLARS RESOLVE

>>153363369
sire of shards coc ice spear

>>153363940
>Didn't the -40% chaos conversion totally annihilated what it was intended for?
It's still a 60% less reflect. If you're leeching well it's not problem. You need vaal pact to be safe though.
It's certainly very capable. I think they did that to simply discourage the build. They nerf based on popularity. Sure, it's far less damage in late game content (since you're not gonna run any penetration gems or curses it's ~30% less damage), you have to use icewall to do core now. But that's not that big a deal.
>I always through acrobatics was a meme
Must be new then. Back when ondars guile didn't have a trade-off it was insane reflect mitigation.

Now you have stibnite+evasion flask and that's mental really. You don't actually need EV on gear, but it sure helps.

>>153364260
>sire of shards coc ice spear
+sweep (dancing) for maximum weeb

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>>153364225
Keep that milk pent up :3

>>153364382
>ondars guile
Fuckin RIP.

A lot of people didn't even think it was OP. They didn't know it doubled your chance of evading so you only needed fuckall evasion to be capped for evade. I guess for once GGG was on-point with that nerf.

>>153364539
want to erp?

>>153362831
i didn't even bother with navali while mapping. can't be arsed to go to town between every map to refill prophecies.

i spent an entire week spamming prophecies trying to complete the chains required for the challenge and still didn't get them. ended up having to buy the last two i needed for several exalts. i did at least 500 prophecies and never got a single useful one.

stupid fucking league

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>>153364672
Sure, you're not degenerate enough that you'd do it here right?

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>>153364225
im on my second fap today already

>>153364945
Fapped five times today. Beat that. And then beat this.

Path of Exile.

>>153364937
Scion will teach the witch how to be a good girl

>>153362327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tCaj8_zt4&feature=youtu.be
sure you can

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>>153364945
l-lewd

>>153364624
Blind is pretty insane but in the opposite way. Its super effective with low evasion.
0 evasion -> 100% chance to hit for mob
+blind
50% chance to hit.
Add acro and that'd effectively a 35% chance to hit for monsters with no evasion at all.
So for softcore (maybe even hc but that's daring) there's really no defense investment needed at all pretty much. Just get life pool.

>>153365282
Yeah, but with stibnites you have to actually pop the flask and be in the right situation. Ondar's was always active and required a single point investment in the tree. Not really a comparable level of overpowered.

>>153364496
>not frostblades for more tohou

>>153362831
she was probably added to the game as a vendor, and there are no vendors in your ho, only masters. now she'll act like a master. they probably figured that out quickly, but carrying her over to the master side may have fucked things up in the league(like lost props, challenges not working), but now that the league is over it doesn't matter.