Monster Hunter General - /mhg/

What are some deviously clever things to do to screw around with people?

>cook meat in middle of fight

So as I was asking, how the hell do you "play it safe" with SnS? If you get greedy, you get hit and cart, I understand- but if you don't and spend all your time just dodging and only attacking when it's totally safe, then the hunt becomes tediously long and is about as fun as pulling teeth.

>>153282016
>ever carting on 1 hit as a Blademaster
Maybe you should drop the Buja meme set in HR, you shitter

>>153281994
Tell them that Garuga is a good monster

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Xth for Yian "Shitter Slayer" Garuga

>>153281852
>Try out weapon you're not accustomed to using
>Game is a little bit harder at first until you get adjusted to the nuances of the weapon and/or craft more appropriate gear
Woah, shocking

>>153282016
You don't need to go for a full combo every time

You can also use X+A to do a dash attack to close distances faster after dodging

Most SnS attacks are also roll cancellable

Usually roll out of danger's way, X+A goes into XXAAA is your "full combo" (last hit can cancel into the spin art too), but you can stop any time to roll, X+A to close the distance, repeat

>>153282016
You have the one weapon that can actually enjoy consumables without sheathing and you're having what problem now? Get Evasion +1 if you need to. SnS barely locks you into any animations so it's really easy to roll with, and once you understand that it's probably also one of the easiest weapons to stay glued to the monster with.

>>153282139
That's my new chat shortcut now

>>153282016
>can roll at almost any point during the combo
>wow why do I keep getting hit during my combo

>>153282016
If you're risking timing out, you either:
1) Have shit weapons and need to upgrade them
2) Don't actually know what openings are safe

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I want to MARRY the soapfox!

>>153282016
Sit down for the long ride because all your hunts are always gonna be long. You could use traps and bombs, bring extra materials for traps to get more hits in that sort of stuff. SnS is also really good at getting mounts on monsters in 4U. Honestly if you can't get a hunt below 15 minutes you should switch to another weap.

>>153282016
You get good and find the balance. Seriously, just play more.

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>>153282564
Mizu is a girl and all the desperate faggots lusting after alleged twink monster dick need to kill themselves already

>>153282564
I want to MARRY the mute Belgian!

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>>153282780

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>>153282723

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>>153281994

Have your character named or titled Spotter or Scout or something and skill set psychic+15, capture guru, challenger+1
Then set your chat shortcuts to say stuff like
>ENEMY MONSTER SPOTTED IN AREA 1,2,etc
>THE MONSTER IS RAGED I CAN FEEL IT IN MY ARM
>THE MONSTER IS READY FOR CAPTURE READY YOUR TRAPS
>MONSTER IS SLEEPING GET HIM NOW

All the while using binocular items and an HBG scope while standing as far away from the monster as possible while never firing, or going to the "highest" point of that map and staying there while shouting the above

Then be sure to take credit saying what a good spotter you were at the end of every hunt

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>>153282564

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>It's a "This monster actually has a pin attack" episode
Iodrome has surprised me today.

>>153282723
Mizutsune are like peacocks, the females are drab and unremarkable.

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>>153282723
Mizu is whatever you want it to be anon-kun
But the ones we fight are still canonically male

>>153282871
>241
what the fuck, how many do you have?

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>>153282948
>>153283036
>Wow some guy said this on twitter so it's canon
Gays really are pathetic, literally any excuse to fantasize about dick

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>>153283078
262.

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>>153283036
not sure why that was spoilered

>>153283135
>being this desperate to preserve your fantasy to the point of such hypocrisy
anon, stop, it's not healthy

it's irrelevant anyways, you can just genderbend it

>>153283135
No. I went to one of the monster hunter tours and the official capcom guy confirmed it.

Also gammoth is a mom

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For those people who aren't trying to farm for specific things either can deliver:
What areas/monsters do you send Hunters for Hire and Meowster Hunters on consistently?
Do you just send them on random shit?

>>153283289
>being this desperate to preserve your fantasy to the point of such hypocrisy
This is literally you and all "uguu tama's dick <3" posters

>>153283328
And my dad that works at Capcom confirmed you're full of shit

Generations is a shit MH game.

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Is Daora's Hornet best LBG for RF Normal 2 and Garuga Espignol best for RF Pierce 2?

>>153283532
You're a shit MH game.

Gotcha there, didn't I?

>>153283532
I'd call it the first time the series has honestly gone backwards in, well, ever. A quick cash grab, though I guess it didn't promise anything more.

>>153283617
tru

>>153283365
I usually sent hunters for hire on gathering and small monster quests to keep shit like monster broth and nova chrystals in stock

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>>153283523
>devs say males tamas are colorful while females are not
>"no u"
such stubbornness is incredibly naughty, did your parents not teach you any better?

perhaps this will please you

Freedom Unite was a good game.

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>>153283787

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>>153282723
Stop responding to shit memes

>>153282948
>>153283036
Stop responding to shit bait

>>153283787
It was a butchered version of Freedom 2.

>>153283778
>devs
>some post on some twitter
Nah

Soapdragon is a girl, monsterfuckers are just incredibly desperate for everything to have a dick

How much damage does your average endgame GL wide 3 charged shot do vs something comparable like say a gs lvl 3 charge?

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>>153283891
>animal humanoid
you are the real enemy

>>153283135
>implying being a furry is any better than being a fag

>>153283924
You being desperate for it to be a specific gender is no better desu

>>153284015
At least this one is a trap, just like the real Tama.

>>153283924
are you the same guy who shitposts about goodra being female?

>>153283545
Yes for daora.
I hate that it has the deviation, and the alternatives are too much weaker in comparison

Shageru's lbg is better, but rapid firing pierce 2 is dumb because of the wait time.
just make silverwind narga's and rapid pierce 1.

I don't fucking get it, what am I missing to get Fated Four Hyper Quests? Is it an HR thing? Kiranico and Ping aren't helping.

>>153284015
>>153284124
Case in point, you're all desperate and disgusting

>>153284204
No I'm not but it is if it's clearly labeled that way when you catch/hatch it

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>>153284015

>>153283924
>>some post on some twitter
You mean the post by the guy who's name is LITERALLY in the game and who's in constantly in contact with MH devs?

>>153284316
Notice how they all call it "Tama" when it's clearly named Mizutsune, gay monsterfuckers truly have a special kind of autism

>>153284316
>wants to fuck a female soap dragon
>calling others disgusting
wew lad

At least I still find real human females attractive

>>153284404
>this guy that's clearly baiting isn't making sense
No shit

>>153282626
I've played it for literally hundreds of hunts, across four games now, I know it's not going to win me any TA shit. And while I know most monsters well enough not to cart on them and am aware of roll cancelling, you have no idea how tempting it is to keep a combo going so it foesnt feel like you're hitting it with a wet tissue. Doesn't help that I lose patience easily and seem to get stuck with monsters that never show openings as long as I'm the only person they're attacking.

Most of my runs are 10, 18 minutes at most unless it's one that flies out of reach or has weak spots the SnS can't hit, but I'm certain it has less to do with the weapon being strong and everything with every monster apparently taking twice as much damage as they did in 4U despite apparently having the same amount of health. Either way, it sure as shit feels like it's taking longer than it ought to be. No I don't use striker- I'm too attached to the invulnerable frames the backup gives me as well as the charge attack to do that.

>>153284541
Nowhere did I ever say I wanted to fuck it, only that it was clearly female and that disgusting furry faggots need to stop projecting their homolust onto everything they see

>>153283749
hm, I don't think I need either of those.
What use is monster broth, again?

>>153282897
>Look mommy, I posted my meme again!

>>153284701
Rust shard weapons and bug armor, mostly.

>>153284776
Why are you so mad?

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>tama this, tama that

>>153284474
Because it's slang for balls or something, it's become a depraved nickname like calling a girl "onahole."

>>153284689
Furries have always made everything about their disgusting fetish, this is nothing new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJUG4oS9eak
xD

>>153284838
Because it's an awful way of fucking with people and makes you sacrifice a save slot for a shitty joke.

>>153284238
>Shageru's lbg is better, but rapid firing pierce 2 is dumb because of the wait time.

what do you mean by wait time?

>>153284689
>Posting tama pics pretending to be a tama poster
>haha I was only pretending guys I don't ACTUALLY want to stick my degenerate cock into that furry creature

>>153284920
>sacrifice a save slot
Because boy, those sure are in high demand.

>>153284895
>exclusively taunting GS users
I'm okay with this.

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>>153284689
now I'm 100% certain you're baiting, no one would care this much about something so irrelevant to yell and scream as such

And if you aren't, seek help, goddamn

>>153284846
Japanese name was "tamamitsune"
Tama-posting started before the male confirmation and English name reveals, so that's what it's referred to
still have a folder of cropped fem mizutsune porn

>>153284791
>rust shard weapons
I need demons isle, actually. recommendations for farming that?

>>153284920
Like you have better ideas

>>153285023
Also unfunny. It's the type of thing 9gag or Reddit would meme about for weeks.

>>153285037
>wow this instant charge is bullshit I literally can't do anything why can't I just keep attacking instead of having to dodge early fuck this
>but fuck GS users amirite they're such shitters xDDD

>>153284961
When you shoot a volley of rapid fire shots, there's a pause at the end of it.

Medium wait time (what pierce 2 has) is dumb because during that wait time you could have been 2/3rds if the way through another volley of a shot type with a low wait time

>>153285168
Everything else is equally bad, the only difference between being funny and being a shitter is that the latter isn't doing it "ironically".

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What kind of set/clownsuit would one make to farm silverwind, if you want to HBG it?
WE isn't the best since you're basically wasting skills while it's not raged which it does often, admittedly
but I can't think of other skills besides normal up to slap on a set.

>>153284689
>i dont want to fuck it
Cuck

>>153285067
If you use the Sakura charm farming method you'll get one eventually. Other than that, mine from blue nodes in the volcano maps. If you don't get it after a few attempts, you can save and quit and then load your file to refresh the table of possible weapons to get out of rust shards. It's weird, but that's how it works.

>>153285273
All instant charges are bullshit, and they should have been removed after FU died out.

Nobody can justify them without conveniently refusing to explain why no monster added from Gen 3 onward has ever gotten a similar move.

>MUH PREDICTIONS
More like guessing and cowardice you mean.

memes were a mistake

>>153285531
Are you thinking ancient shards?
i've done dozens of sakura runs, and I've literally never gotten a rustshard, it's all ancient.

>>153285605
Stay mad, stay bad, enjoy the kurolist

>>153285661
Whups, yup. Ancient shards. I always mix the two up.

>>153284895
people who act like prowlers are better than hunters make me irrationally angry

>>153285771
regardless of clear times, prowlers are boring as fuck to play

>>153284895

>implying he can't just save edit the same or better charm

clickbait video

>>153285714
You keep justifying Capcom's laziness and incompetence, then. The rest of us will actually try to make them embrace progress and not recycling movesets older than some of the people who post here.

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>>153284841
Right?

>>153285050
>go to /mhg/
>literally monster porn
I wish I was fucking surprised but I'm not. I'm really not.

That aside, I do love the Mizutsune's design, and I use its CB with my water set. I just wish its armor wasn't just chest and leg armor.

>>153285471
>throw sonic bomb
there, instant enrage

The TA for silverwind just uses the generic set.

Normal up, crit eye+2, crit boost, weakness exploit.

if you REALLY don't want to do that, try:
Normal up, AuM, crit eye+2, peak performance.

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Mizutsune Adept Bow time attack
All this monsterposting made me want to try killing one, turns out I'm pretty shit at it.

>>153285917
>waah waah how come all these people can deal with this move but I can't
>they must be bad!

I need a shit ton of hellblade powders for all the weapons.

Fuck me. Whats the easiest way to farm powders? Level 1?

>>153286120
Ugh, I can't get CE+2 on the first set until Esurient R, and the game is already dead.

I'll see about the second one, though.

who /hyper seregios CB/ here?

I know togrex CB is "better" but combined with RS and self sharpening, I never run out of white sharpness in a hunt

>>153286273
>he doesn't have the hayabusa feather
???

You could always have someone with the JDLC host hyper jho for you.

>>153286291
I never lose white sharpenss on the tigrex cb with absolute readiness either. 40 less raw is pretty big anon. That's like losing two stacks of AuL.

>>153286291
I still run Frosted Veil like the goddamn scrub I am.

>>153286256
You're going to end up needing carapaces more than powders if you only do the low level ones. Might as well get both and do IX.
Focus on head/tail when each part is emitting particles it's surprisingly easy to blow it up.

So i just unlocked my HR at 65 and am ready to fight and farm deviants up from 1-10

What are the sets that I should prepare before hand for each deviant?

Redhelm: fire focused and negate Stun for his wombo clawmbos?
Snowboarding: bind res and fire focused?
Grimclaw: HGE a must, not sure what else
Stonefist: ?
Dreadqueen: NEGATE POISON, wind and earplugs maybe help
Dreadking: HGE, partbreaker and flash bombs I guess
Silverwind: evasion skills?
Crystalbears: tremor res, dunno what else
Hellblade: water, something that can block his tails?

Also I'll need a good perception charm to easily get guru for the capture ones

What do you guys think? Help me out here so I can have a list of what to farm.

>>153286354
I have had it for like a month now, though.
And I usually don't like doing JDLC, but I'll probably end up doing so today/tommorrow, I want those fucking parts.
is storge R available yet? cause I can do the second set without jap DLC if so, despite my absolute garbage charms.

>>153286235
Not bad, simply overly tolerant of an outdated feature. You aren't going to be affected by its absence, why should you care if it's replaced with something better?

>>153286435

worth losing energy blade for absolute readyness?

>>153286784
>outdated feature
C U R R E N T Y E A R

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I honestly hate Hunter arts because I keep forgetting to equip them.

>>153286784
I will be because Garuga is one of my favorite monsters. I already said that I would love to have it refined. Taking it out altogether would be bad.

>>153284634
What, no response at all?

Also, is 551 an acceptable defense for HR8+ quests or not? Everything seems to deal tons of damage if I so much as scrape against it now, but there's no way for me to improve my armor without parts I don't have. And no, I can't evade everything as much as I would love to do so.

>>153286628
Nothing
Bind Res
Tremor Res, not HGE, the roar deal damage
Thunder or Ice
Thunder or Dragon, Negate Poison
a Thunder gun
Thunder
Water
Water

>>153286896
Absolutely. Energy blade isn't that good unless you're playing striker and firing off the 10 phial version.

Having white sharpness always active is better than burning all your phials on a fixed damage super every once in a while.

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>>153286628
>Hellblade: water, something that can block his tails?
>block his tail

>decide to go to /mhg/
>charm farming
>effectiveness debates
>time runs

>meanwhile be using a Dear Lutemis CB and Rathian armor full set
a-am I doing something wrong, senpai?

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Unlock HR Z pattern turns room

15 0968 9135 0981

Come hunt some shit, wouldn't mind some JP DLC

1 SLOT LEFT

>>153286628
Negate poison is an absolute must for Dreadqueen, gem it in if you have to I can't count how many shitters gave melted to her level 2 poison because they severely underestimated it.

>>153286980
Would it be so bad if it simply changed its posture the split second before it charged instead of giving no warning at all? I'm not demanding it be removed, just given a tell like literally every other monster attack added past Tri.

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>>153286980
DELETE THIS

>>153287035
Guard up + Lance shield duh

>>153287071
If you're at endgame and still using those, yes you have a problem. Otherwise use whatever the fuck you want

>>153286784
Because I don't think "every move has a tell, so you can play completely reactively" is better than having monsters where you have to learn ahead of time which space they control and where you can be punished if you linger too long.

>>153286980
>>153287213
alternatively give source
an artist will do

>>153286628
>have to make a set for each deviant

???

?????

????????????

? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ?? ??

?

>>153287436
Every monster has a tell for every move. That's how they're designed. That's how all (good) boss fights are designed.

The fact that you think some don't exist shows how disconnected you are from proper design. Don't ever make a video game.

>>153287603
But youre wrong!

>>153286643
Yeah, it's always been available.
soon as you get a hyper draco scale you'll be able to make it

>>153286435
What skills do you run with Tigrex CB? Do you go for Critical Eye +2 to negate the negative affinity, or just not bother?

>>153287901
The standard meme suit of crit eye +2 weakness exploit crit boost and razor sharp

>>153287678
Go ahead and tell me how.

>>153287901
Not worth it unless you get it for free (which isn't hard with the feather). AEDs ignore affinity.

>>153287540
Fuck off

>>153287436
But I do know those things. I also know that playing reactively is almost always safer and more reliable, because monsters are inherently unpredictable and simply staying out of their danger zones isn't enough. Especially if you have to be in those danger zones to hurt it.

If I didn't make it clear, I'm an SnSer so I'd I'm just hitting it's legs or whatever I'm doing fuckall to it. It's even worse solo, since without someone else distracting it I can barely start a combo, let alone finish it.

The bizarre thing is that I can do the HR village quests fine. It's specifically the hub ones that seem to take forever to do.

>>153287603
Again, consider the Rath's charge. It's tell is simply turning around to face you - which is also a tell for the bite, the fireball attacks, and the tail attacks. It barely qualifies as a tell because it's so vague and shared with so many other attacks. Now if they pulled their wings in for a split second first, then it would be reliable and do its job as a tell. But since it's vague, it's worthless.

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>>153287483
It's called Hunter Farm. It's about the Yukumo Chief trapping huntresses and forcing them to breed with Gigginoxs. You think it wouldn't be that bad since gigginox rape is a norm in MH porn but this gets to ShindoL levels of fucked up.

>>153287603
Have you ever playing a fighting game? Are you familiar with the idea that different characters use their movesets to have control over different areas around them?

You don't jumpkick Ryu when he's free to do a dragon punch.
You don't stand in front of Rathalos when he's free to charge.

It's rich that you're sitting here talking about "proper video game design" when you seem unaware of something as tried-and-true as zone control.

>>153288104
This isn't a fighting game, and fighting game characters.dont just use all of their moves at COMPLETE RANDOM. They have patterns, and they can be predicted only because they have patterns. No patterns, no prediction.

How does the GL's art dragon blast work?

Does it do continuous damage while that huge fire bubble is up or only one big hit at the very end? It looks like it fizzles out a bit.

>>153287603
Having to learn where you shouldn't place yourself is bad design? It's not like you die in one hit, you have plenty of hits to learn that it's a bad idea to stand in front of them. You know what the real problem is? Players that are unwilling to learn.

>>153287852
>hyper draco scale
Oh, that's just from hyper gore? i should be able to make it already, then.
I've already unlocked R gear, guess i just need to look.

>>153288104
When did I discount zoning? I never did. I stated that every attack has a tell, every attack has something indicating its start to give you a pattern to recognize so you can react.

And every attack does. Rath turns. He can charge, or bite, or launch a fireball and fly. I'm no expert on Rath, so maybe he can do some other shit. If he winds his head back, he's going to bite. If he rears back, fireball. If he hesitates for just one moment, it's a charge.

>>153288363
Can you read? You should do so more closely. A lack of tells is poor design, which applies to no monster in this game, since they all have tells. The fact that some of you think tells shouldn't exist is nonsensical.

>blanche is back on discord
???

>>153288360
>Dragon blast
Why?

Just use absolute readiness or if you absolutely hate I frames and you enjoy having to sharpen, use blast dash.

>>153288372
Yep, hyper gore

>>153288095
just as I suspected and exactly why I asked, thanks

>there's two

>>153287992
Meme suit aside, is it worth it to leave off artillery novice?

>>153287540

U mad?

>>153288518
Blanche never joined the discord.
I tried to get him to join in 4u, but he said he didn't want to

>>153288104
>Have you ever playing a fighting game?
Jesus, I thought the FGC shitposters were content in shitting over the Dark Souls general, but now they're leaking into /mhg/.

Monster Hunter is not a fighting game. And the shoryuken is a terrible analogy, considering Garuga actually has a similar move (though it's more of a flash kick) and it has a tell. Ryu doesn't sprint into you to deal damage.

>>153288529
>shit talking blast dash

Do you hate fun? I fucking love that move, especially when it gets me a mount. I use Steve GL mostly though so maybe that helps.

>>153288304
>This isn't a fighting game
And yet the same principles still apply, and the devs' understanding of those principles is a pretty big part of why MonHun is the king of its little genre.

> fighting game characters.dont just use all of their moves at COMPLETE RANDOM. They have patterns, and they can be predicted only because they have patterns. No patterns, no prediction.
Fighting game characters are controlled by ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS. Not only do they not behave according to patterns, but they're HARDER than "random", because they're actively trying to figure out what YOU are going to do and actively TRYING to punish all the mistakes you make.

>>153288529
I have all 3 arts, but yes I've been considering changing that out for absolute readiness

>>153288698
>>153288736

Don't get me wrong, it's fun as fuck, but why use GL if you're not gonna use adept or aerial?

>guild
bad lance
>striker
bad lance 2, electric boogaloo

>>153288698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsx7qDN7jc
Just the absolute best

>>153288657
he did near the end, it's the guy with a picture of Torquemada

>>153288889
Striker is pretty great for wide GL

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>>153288578
>there's two
The 2nd one gets way worse. Makes you wonder if people actually fap to this.

>>153288698
>Do you hate fun?
He must. Blast Dash is explicitly FOR fun. It's fun condensed into an animation, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking pruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

>>153288932
>Brachy theme
>Jho
This upsets me. Someone fix this.

>>153288731
And they actually make their own mistakes, and have habits, and specific ways of fighting. Monsters do none of those things. They do the equivalent of throwing a dart on a dartboard covered in move names and choose whichever one that it hits, no matter how strong or weak. There's nothing to predict, because prediction needs patterns and not randomness.

>>153288596
The japs seem to think so

>>153288937
end of 4U

>>153288889
I use adept GL and take blast dash. I started after seeing a speed run against gore using it and it looked awesome.

>>153288731
>Implying no human being has habits, which are patterns

>>153288995
Adept is still the best style
>COUNTERS
>NO CHIP DAMAGE
>FREE RELOADS
>EXPLOSIONS

you could use it for wide and just not to full bursts.

it's pitiful how the strongest GL move is the adept slam, followed by the adept reload, then the normal slam.

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>>153288304
>This isn't a fighting game, and fighting game characters.dont just use all of their moves at COMPLETE RANDOM.
You have never played against a human in your life.

>>153288691
>Ryu doesn't sprint into you to deal damage.
BUT KEN DOES NIGGA

>>153289191
>implying humans can't actively make decisions to change their patterns on the fly

>>153289047
That's just straight-up false. Monsters have some degree of variability with some moves, in an "either this or that" sort of way, but they choose all their moves based on your proximity and position around them. I've also seen evidence of some monsters altering their behaviors based on your actions, like drinking a potion or getting Stunned. For example, a prime strategy for Brachy in 4U while using the CB was to bait his giant leap attack, which you could always get an AED off of.

Monsters might not make mistakes (although I have seen some questionable misses), but they have habits and very specific ways of fighting. That's the name of the game.

>>153288889
https://youtu.be/t1joPi58nTA

This run is great. He's using striker. It's so frame perfect.

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>>153289013
>find these a while back
>decide in favor of the point-of-no-return fap
>returned

It was just too much, man.

>>153288506
>And every attack does. Rath turns. He can charge, or bite, or launch a fireball and fly. I'm no expert on Rath, so maybe he can do some other shit. If he winds his head back, he's going to bite. If he rears back, fireball. If he hesitates for just one moment, it's a charge.

These aren't really "tells", they're just instances where the attack doesn't apply its damage at the beginning of the attack.

That might sound like the same thing at first, but it's a pretty important distinction once they have multiple possible attacks that do apply damage right away. On Rathalos, there's both the charge and the tailwhip, but nobody gives the tailwhip shit because the hitbox is small and starts in a place where it'd be really strange for you to be standing. (As opposed to, say, Plesioth's)

Garuga is a more easily-understood example. He doesn't really have tells for most of the moves he can do from a standing position, but neither the fireball nor the headslam apply their damage immediately, while the tailwhip, charge, and triple-peck do.

>>153289284
Are the only humans you play against the ones who mash buttons aimlessly only to trap you in an unbreakable combo every time you fight them? If not, your comparison fails.

>>153289481
Yes, but there is no possible way without actively looking at the code to tell if one attack is going to follow another. Look at Khezu, and tell me how it roaring every three seconds when you're nowhere close to it is anything but random.

>>153289532
>1:00
>insta-charge with no tell
What a bullshit design.
Remove Gore.

>>153289047

Patently untrue, famalam. Pretty much >>153289481. Lonehunt more and you'll gain more of an understanding about how monsters work. It's easy to think that their behavior is random from only doing multiplayer hunts.

"Never stand in front of the monster whose head is his weak point" is not interesting gameplay.

>>153289883
Look how little damage the charge does though.
Rathalos and garuga's charges no like 2 or 3 times the damage for virtually the same move.

>>153289768

He roars three times when you're nowhere near him because that's the attack he can use that has a chance to disable you. Spamming the attack means you're displaying behavior towards the monster (position, action, sheath status, etc) that makes it consistently respond with a roar.

It's literally not random at all.

>>153289883
>Gore hops back into a rearing position or does a meek little roar EVERY SINGLE TIME before charging, as does Shaggy

This is different from "Am I facing you? I am now instantly mid-sprint animation"

>>153289954
Good thing nobody's advocating for that then!

>>153290095
>that's the attack he can use that has a chance to disable you
So you're saying he's badly designed, then.
Can we have Gigginox back yet?

>>153289898
I've done a ton of village quests too, and it still looks and feels pretty fucking random. Whatever patterns are there are so well hidden theu may as well not exist.

Humor me, name just one identifiable pattern. I'll start: Teostra doing the supernova exactly 5 minutes after it enters rage mode.

>>153290095
I call bullshit, seeing as I'm out of range of the roar too. It's random as it gets, and unless you show me the algorithm that says otherwise I'm not buying it.

>>153290128
Did you even watch the video?

>>153290475
Yes

>Gore gets up from the topple
>Does dainty little roar and charges
>Then does a backhop into rearing position and charges again

hurr no tell at all no sir literally worse than Garuga

So i only just found out there's a space jam remix for almost every monster theme,

>>153289954
>the weak point should be easy to hit

Casual scrub.

Risk and reward, nigga.

Or you could aim for the legs to trip them.

God forbid that the game makes you think on how to approach the monster instead of mindlessly wailing on it.

>>153290329
>I've done a ton of village quests too
>can't even read the piss easy, neutered village version of monsters

Solo more.

And then solo hub too.

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>>153290329
pattern =/= behavior. Don't look for patterns, look for how the monster reacts to your position and actions.

>>153290329
My god, it's almost as though he's trying to disable you by getting someone not paying attention to run into the disable while he stands still! Imagine that.

Monsters react to the hunters on the field, it's how the game works, son. You know we can't show you an algorithm lolwut, but have fun externalizing your inability to play the game!

>>153290626
>Does dainty little roar and charges
That roar comes out as he's charging dude

>>153290626
The roar is part of the standing up animation, dingus.

>>153290705
There's no thinking involved. If a monster has a dangerous frontal attack, thinking would be "I can get one, maybe two hits in and if I see him about to charge I can evade".
This is just "If I'm in front of him I'm going to take damage instantly, so I'm just not going to be there unless he falls over". You're rewarded for NOT taking the risk.

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>Bad at Seregios
>Trying to learn his moves
>Have to learn it on a giant slope
>Crabs and fish try to excavate my asshole the entire time

This is really frustrating. It's bad enough to have to endure the worst area in the game, but I could do it without having a fish aimbotting me with water blight while 2 crabs try to excavate my asshole.

>>153290796
>My god, it's almost as though he's trying to disable you by getting someone not paying attention to run into the disable while he stands still!
Almost, except that's clearly not what's going on. None of the monsters "try" to do clever things in Monster Hunter, and the few that look like they do are just hard scripted to do so (e.g. Lagiacrus always charging a lightning bolt under you after a roar)

I'm curious when people do all their bitching about Garuga in this game, are they talking about Garuga in general, or specifically Hyper Garuga, the Metroid event Garuga, etc?

Because while I can see how the Hyper version is a bit of a bullshit artist, and his moves are sped up to the point where your windows to hit him are REALLY tight, I just don't see the problem with any regular LR/HR version of him.

What's the best IG to use on Heckblade? Are any of the water ones worth using, or should I just use Steve/Narga?

>>153290963
4U was a mistake.

>>153290896
>"I can get one, maybe two hits in and if I see him about to charge I can evade".

You are literally describing what happens in the game RIGHT NOW. You have time for an attack or two, while they recover from their previous attack.

All you need to do is be gone by the time the recovery animation is over. That's a million miles away from "hurrr I can never be in front of the monster, gud design guys".

>>153290796
And the majority of them react in ways that are not predictable beyond "use projectile if far away, otherwise bite/claw/tail whip, face general direction of hunter". Doesn't give any indication of "if hunter is 3 rolls away, charge; otherwise bite him". At best, some moves are scripted to come after others and that's all the "behavior" they have. Otherwise it's just then choosing moves arbitrarily with the only limits being the rules that limit their choices.

>>153289768
Khezu is an unfair example, because everyone knows no one actually programmed khezu. It's just a mess of code and programming. Possibly an intern mistake.

>>153289743
You're arguing some really weird semantics that I'm not sure how to parse. So let me define what I'm referring to.

Tell: a motion or 'windup' that acts as the impetus for any given animation or attack.

My argument is this: there are no attacks in the entirety of Monster Hunter, now or from the beginning, that are not indicated in some form or fashion before the attack, no matter how little or "inconsequential" the tell.

Using the definition provided, those moves are indeed tells. You can react to them if you know what you're looking for. Just because Garuga's charge has frames beginning before its charge doesn't mean there's no tell for it which, as has been established, is it turning to face you. From there, it'll decide which way to fuck you up, though most are based on your angle relative to its front, in my experience. It's a tell with multiple attacks attached to it (which in itself could be used to argue poor design), but a tell nonetheless. I'd have to fight a Garuga to give more examples, but I'm not in the mood for angry chicken.

If you're referring to a different definition of a "tell", then you'll have to define it yourself for me.

>>153290896
Try standing at a 45% degree angle to the left side of the head.

Monsters won't charge unless they're lined up straight with you, and Garuga's beakslam starts from the right.

Or you could play adept DBs which literally involves no thinking.

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>>153291090
>none of the monsters try to do clever things
>what is teo leading his charges to hit where you're running to instead of where you are
>what is maccao's left hook to punish people strafing too close
>what is diablos' half-idle to bait hunters into running in, only to get the horns

Stop posting any time!

>>153291224
Babby monsters weren't trying to murder me beyond hope and reason in 4U

>>153291279
>rules that limit their choices

For all my snarkiness here, that's honestly the better way to put it. They're always going to choose from a pool of moves, but the player has fundamental effect on what move gets chosen

>>153291298
And his tail whip starts from the left

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>>153291308
>what is diablos' half-idle to bait hunters into running in, only to get the horns
Oh my god, I fucking hate that shit. Gets me all the fucking time.

>>153291432
Did we play the same game? I made shoutouts specifically for "REMOVE [SMALL MONSTER]". Usually konchu.

>>153291110
Even in the hypothetical scenario where you're doing LR Village Garuga in maxed out HR armor so he does a pixel of damage to you at a time, an instant attack that deals damage on the 1st frame, does a hard knockdown and is just the boring *walks into u* copypasted for half of the gen 1/2 monsters just feels retarded. This is less about difficulty (arguably about the notion of "artificial" difficulty I guess) and more about fun gameplay.
And no, no one is saying monsters are only fun if they stand there and let you hit them like Narga or Zinogre (and even Narga has bullshit like horrible bite hitboxes)

>>153291251
Fat consolation for the weapons which do fuckall damage without combos. By your interpretation, they can never hit a monster more than once unless it's fatigued or trapped in a recovery animation, and can never take risks ever.

Which basically tells them "fuck you, use a GS so you can actually hurt it when you get those tiny openings". Why even give them long combos when using them is so frequently suicidal?

>>153291308
>What is anthropomorphization to hide the fact that mindless game code beat you

The illusion of intelligence is not actual intelligence. Youre just an idiot.

>>153291110
Greedy DB users who spend too much time near the head and got punished.

Or alternatively, people who exclusively play online, thus never learn the monster's pattern and instead of blaming themselves, they blame the monster instead.

>>153291512
Tail whip can actually start from both directions.

Why the fuck did Uragaan of all monsters get a deviant?
No one even talks about crystalbeard, not that they should

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>>153291687

>three examples
>no you're stupid

Okeydokes

>>153291308
>what is teo leading his charges to hit where you're running to instead of where you are
This never happens, I've been farming him and you can just sprint out of the charge as normal. He can turn mid-charge very slightly, but he doesn't "lead" you at all, just follows your positioning. Please don't lie when trying to prove points, it undermines your position.

>>153291279
You're arguing against yourself, mate. You say they're not predictable, then you go on to say they follow rules that limit what they can do.

So what you do is, you learn the rules, and exploit them. Voila, the monster is now (mostly) predictable.

Keep in mind that this is a video game designed by human beings, and human beings are pattern-based. And unless you show me evidence of the monsters being completely run by a RNG, then they are, to some degree, predictable. Otherwise, all the muscle memory I've developed from fighting monsters must be some kind of special lie I've been telling myself for years now.

>>153291463
Barely. Even those sub-pools are large enough to make any guesses as to what it'll do unreliable without a corresponding tell.

E.g. Agnaktor and it's heat beam- it can come straight ahead, or it can be swept across the ground. Both trigger form the same range, but which one it chooses is arbitrary.

>>153291561
Ever try aiming for the legs, dingus?

There's this thing called tripping where you can safely aim for the head when the monster's down.

>>153291836
Admittedly, G rank behavior. Also Diablos' bait.

>>153291765
>pattern
Stop using this word. It's a flowchart at best.

1) Is the player in front of me at relatively close proximity?
Y - charge
N - goto 2

Makes me wonder if anyone would bitch about no-tell insta-charges that bypass laws of momentum and inertia by putting the monster in instant full sprint if they only used them from longer distances.

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can brachy slime flow down slopes?
I think I just saw that happen

>>153291308
>teo leading his charges to hit where you're running to instead of where you are

I'm pretty sure Teo doesn't do this, but Nak-Nak does and it fucks me up all the time unless I'm sheathed.

>>153291940

>tripping anything besides other players in MHX

lol as if

>>153291839
Perhaps I should clarify -even with those limits there's no way to tell which of the moves it might be able to use is the one it'll use. At a certain distance where it could either bite or charge, how do you know which it'll do in the absence of a tell?

>>153292021
I wouldn't, since that way there would actually be an opening long enough to avoid them without having to be 50 feet away from the monster first.

>>153291940
There's this other thing where monsters move. And where they deal damage simply by tapping you when they move. And where you can't reliably trip because of THOSE FUCKING UNPREDICTABLE CHARGES.

>>153291940
This worked in older games, but they nerfed tripping so you'll get maybe a couple hits in at most. Probably because mounting exists now.

>>153292421
>There's this other thing where monsters move. And where they deal damage simply by tapping you when they move.

>mini-crown Blangonga that's smaller than your hunter slowly turns around and your hunter gets Dizzy from chip damage

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>>153291839
>learn the rules and exploit them

This is what anyone past FUbabbies has basically forgotten is the core of the game.

You are NOT MEANT TO BE ABLE to walk up to the monster and flimflam away with whatever attack you want.

You are MEANT TO learn what openings can be punished, and with what.

>>153291561
If you have a long opening, you get a full combo or two. If you have a medium opening, you do half your combo and get the fuck out. If you have a brief opening, you do a poke and roll away.

Don't do enough damage by poking and rolling? Well that's literally why monsters have more than one fucking vulnerable hit zone. The only reason the head is as weak as it is is BECAUSE the openings for it are so sparse. There's a reason that the stomach, the feet, or the tail exist as separate hit zones in between a super weak, 65% head, and a 20% "you fucked up if you hit me here" neck, back, arms, or whatever.

There's a reason that there are items and status effects that leave monsters exposed. There's a reason that they added Mounting and Toppling. There's a reason that Rathalos falls over if you hit his feet. You're not SUPPOSED to have unfettered access to the monster's weakest point at all times, for all your attacks. And it would be a fucking shitty game if you did.

>>153289532
>literally never shells

Why even play GL?

>>153287992
What's the clown suit that gives all those skills

Why is all these faggots using shitty hunter oasis on everything kid joins adept bow with fucking oasis can this shit die already.

>>153292639
That's fucking stupid then

Fuck Capcom and thier shit game and you fags for defending this shit

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>>153287080

ONE SPOT

>>153292928
Welcome to Monster Hunter, genbabby.

>>153292665
>You're not supposed to be able to have to fun and play the game

LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY

How are you people slurping this shit up so much you are brain dead Capcom shill retards

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>>153292928
>waaaah mommy I want to to be able to mash X until the monster is dead

>>153292886
Silver rathalos + the feather

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>fight tigrex for the first time
>all his attacks are just him running around like a retard
Am I missing something here? Is this dude really a flagship from old games?

>Monster hunter general
>FUCK MONSTER HUNTER ITS SUCH A SHIT GAME

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>>153290635
Bump

>>153292665
>>153292665
Again, fat consolation for SnS, which on the larger monsters can't even hit those hitzones without toppling first, and even then only long enough for a single combo at most before it gets up. You might as well not even do the "one poke" since it simply will not hurt bad enough to justify the risk. Even more so when those "openings" spontaneously dissolve into a charge out of nowhere too fast to run from and performed by a monster so bit you need an evasion skill just to get far enough out of the way unless you cheese it with adept, in which case you can say goodbye to HALF YOUR MOVESET.

>>153293156

Hi Verin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>153293118
>Litetally no argument anymore

Just kill yourselves, I'm done talking to fags defending such shitty game design

>>153293152
Mainly Generations.

>(You)
>Capcom can do no wrong, not even with this rushed cash grab

>>153293076
I have plenty of fun figuring out monster behaviors and punish THEIR moves instead.

Nothing like baiting out Brachy's jump attack for an easy aed in the face.

Not the game's fault that you're a scrub.

>>153293179
Losing half your moveset isn't even that big of a deal on SnS considering you still keep your main combo. Unless you really love that backdash charged slash

>>153293118
>Defending outdated mechanics which other monsters show can be done much better, and in a manner that shows a degree of fairness instead of assuming you have inhuman reflexes or ESP

Explain to me how you know if Rathian will charge at you when you have nothing that can warn you of it.

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>>153293416
D-don't stand in front of her! Risk vs reward! G-git gud!

>>153293298
>I'm going to go to a place where all these people love this thing and then tell them why they're bad and the thing is bad
what exactly are you expecting

>want to striker lance
>don't enjoy charging all the time

>>153293118
>that image

Great keks

Got to wonder how did Capcom actually manage to find a way to make something even more broken? I'm talking about the bow of memes and cheese of course.

>>153293076
"Having fun" and "playing the game" means learning how to find, create, and take advantage of a monster's openings.

What you are telling me you want is a game where you cannot have fun, because there is nothing in the game to actually have fun with.

>>153293628
Nobody loves gen 1/2 monsters except nostalgiafags who started with FU. Rose-tinted goggles are a hell of a drug.

>>153293416
>Explain to me how you know if Rathian will charge at you when you have nothing that can warn you of it.

If you're dumb enough to stand in front of her after she turn to face you, that's how.

Also, Rathian has two charges, a normal charge and a triple charge. If you actually pay attention to the monster like you're supposed to you would've figured it out which is which.

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>>153292421
>At a certain distance where it could either bite or charge
If we're talking about Rathalos again, I already described what the tell for that is. Head to the left (Rath's right), it's a bite. Wind back, fireball. Nothing (if you're DIRECTLY in front of it), or a slight adjustment, and it's a charge.

Then there are the multi-charges, which I believe there are three of, which possibly changes depending on whether it's enraged or not. It adjusts every time before a charge towards you.

>>153293416
All charges have tells. Vets have learned to avoid them. Why haven't (or, more appropriately, can't) you?

>>153293628
>tell them why they're bad

I said nothing of the sort.

>the thing is bad

I'm sorry you believe it's impossible to assess the quality of a release. It is a very mediocre release compared the last few before it.

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>first jho hunt in 4u has frenzy
I am slightly frightened

>>153293556
>M-M-MUH TELLS
>EVERYTHING HAS TO BE TELEGRAPHED
>MONSTERS MUST STAND STILL FOR ME
>AND EXPOSE THEIR HEADS ALWAYS
>I WANT TO BE AS GREEDY AND SLOPPY AS I CAN WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS

>>153293306
But Brachy has tells for every single attack. Doesn't that make him shit in your book?

>>153293706
>Nobody can like this thing because I don't

>>153293210

If you don't understand that we literally aren't arguing - and are simply calling you a shitter for not being able to adapt to fundamental game mechanics - we're done talking, too!

>>153293843
Everything has a tell. Everything IS telegraphed. Monsters do stand still and expose their head always, IF you understand their telegraphing and tells.

How are people missing the point of all this so hard? It's a little uncanny. Are you all robots?

>>153293843
>being this black and white
ARE YOU RETARDED
THEY WANT VERY SPECIFIC ATTACKS TO BE REWORKED DUE TO A LACK OF TELL, NOT COMPLETELY RUINING THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME YOU ANGRY DELUSIONAL TWAT

>>153293706
>started with FU

Excuse me, some of us were disappointed with FU because it made hunters overpowered with G-Rank gear and armor skills while simultaneously nerfing monster HP down to the point that most hunts can't even last ten minutes.

>>153293805
>I'm sorry you believe it's impossible to assess the quality of a release. It is a very mediocre release compared the last few before it.
>I'm going to go to this place where all these people love this thing and then tell them why it's bad I'm definitely gonna change their minds about this!

>>153293843
>TELEGRAPHED
>STAND STILL
Now you're shitposting two different things at once. Who said they had to stand still? What are they even telegraphing if they stand still and do nothing?
You're advocating rote memorization versus reactive gameplay.

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>>153294038
I can tell you're new here because you actually believe a majority finds no fault with Generations.

>>153293350
It's the only move that actually does acceptable damage without rooting me in place, and why would I ever give up more invulnerability frames?

I know I can roll out of the way, but either due to recklessness or shit luck my rolls are just late enough to ensure I take a direct hit anyway.

>>153294118
>Same 2 people shitposting all the time
>majority
you got it boss

>>153293980
Reminder that turning to face the player is not a charge tell, it's just the monster reorienting itself for literally ANY attack.

Finally got the hayabusa feather. Thanks for all the advice.

Time to make the ultimate ninjaslut set.

>>153294185
This is why you keep getting hit by the charge.

>>153293843
I am writing this post in the time it takes Najarala and Glavenus to charge up their coil/spin attacks. Truly, 4th-gen monsters have set the new standard for quality and have freed us from the shackles of 1st-gen's shitty design.

Whoops, better cut this short, or I won't have a time to grab a drink before I have to dodge.

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Alright, after having avoided it in 4U because it was OP and broken, I'm now willing to learn the ways of the charge blade

Teach me, lads.

What weapon paths should I look at, what skills would be good to have? What style and arts?

>>153293680
Teostra was a mistake

>>153293680
Teo Bow actually forces you to press and hold X and aim for weakspots.

It's nowhere as dumb as the Kelbi Bow.

>>153294175
>if they disagree with me it has to be the same 2 people
>if they agree with me it's legions of like-minded patricians

>>153294249
>it was OP and broken

Sure you're not confusing it with Insect Glaive, Great Sword or Heavy Bowgun?

>>153293798
Because that tell is exactly the same.as its idle stance and by the time I realize otherwise it's too late for anything other than a panic dive.

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>When you start a fire and everyone goes batshit because of it
Garuga still making niggas mad.

>>153293125
Yes, Tigrex is great though despite being so straightforward. Dude fights like an autist having a meltdown and it's fun as hell.

>>153294351
>what is the thought process of every human on planet earth?
people can't see past their own preconceptions for shit

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>>153294240
Underrated post

Silly question, but how do you make Barrel Bomb L+ and Barrel Bomb S+? Was the recipe changed in gen? Can't really seem to find them on the wiki.

How to play HBG?

>>153294351
Let the lad have his grand delusions.

Anyone want to do some charm runs before server maintenance?

>>153294240
Because its "tell" is indistinguishable from basic movement? How is that anything but proof of terrible design?

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>waaaah waaaah random unpredictable attack with random charges and bullshit bullshit bullshit

You shitters do realize that the randomness is part of a monster too. They all don't follow set patterns and shit, there's always a bit of RNG involved. Its up to you to adapt to that and adjust. Luck is also a skill. Usually a random attack means you got too greedy, they usually don't flatten you down for good either. Just treat as part of the game because it is and soldier on.

>server maintenance today

I am scared

>>153294627
I agree. Also, not all monsters have to be fun.

>>153294240
>t. Gunner who won't attack from closer than half an area away from the monster

What's it like being such a pussy?

>>153294249

Go actually use it in 4U against anything that isn't a joke with any weapon or won't ram its face into your shield nonstop and tell me it's OP and broken, and then tell me it isn't fun. The broken weapons in 4U were GS, IG, and HBG (if that even counts, it's broken in every game). CB was the 4th best weapon, but it wasn't nearly as good as those 3, and it wasn't that much better than the next few weapons.

Honestly I'm just mad that it's no longer the go-to weapon for fighting shitty monsters that just charge you nonstop and we're back to having no good answer to that.

>first charm run gives me a destroyer+5 3 slot talisman

Is this as strong as I think it is? I can use it with my Rathalos S set with Attack Jwl 3 and some Destroyer Jwls 1 for Attack Up (L) and Destroyer

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>>153294435
>just runs around being untouchable
the waiting game isn't really fun, anon

maybe if you're a gunner

>>153294627
I, for one, enjoy Rathian despite the charges, for if you have any distance between her they are very easy to avoid
Rathalos can burn in hell though, that scream into windpress/fireball is cancer incarnate

>>153294627
Luck is literally the opposite of skill. That's why it's luck.

>>153294240
Every single monster turns.
Only shitty ones have an instant no-tell charge they can use after it. Notice how all of these are Rath variants or clones.

>>153294627
>RNG
>Luck is also a skill
>LUCK IS ALSO A SKILL

YOU CAPCOM SHILLS ARE SO DELUSIONAL IT HURTS TO TALK YOU FUCKING FUCKTARDS ANYMORE?

SINCE WHEN THE FUCK CAN LUCK BE A SKILL? HOW?

>>153294920
Oh yeah? Then why can I put points into the luck skill in many RPGs?

>>153294627
>Luck is also a skill.
you're dumb m8

>>153294989

Because RPGs don't require skill.

>>153294494
Not sure about S+, but L+ requires scatterfish.

>>153294989
Because it's a stat there, not a skill. Are you retarded?

>>153294627
>posts an image of Nakarkos
???

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>>153294753
Switch Axe is probably the easiest weapon to kill Yian Garuga with senpai.

>>153294859
It's not untouchable and it's actually very punishable. Tigrex is the biggest Greatsword/Hammer bait in the game outside of pre-rework Rathalos.

>>153294494
There's a combo list ingame, senpai

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>>153294627
>Luck is also a skill

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Naked Hunter Generations!

35-1200-2907-3446
rage
HR5 Gammoth urgent on the board.
Let's get that 2KO 2Para train running again, fellas.

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>>153294627
>Luck is also a skill

You can't make this shit up.
This is the culmination of this shitposting spree. We've hit apex retard.

>>153295146
Okay I can see that
Getting a superpound off on it passing by or something
Releasing a charged slash then evading to it's tailside

>>153294608
If you haven't noticed by now, I'm not arguing for good design. I think Gen 1 and 2 monsters are boring and archaic, and ought to be removed. Except one or two, like Diablos.

And, uh, it's charge IS its basic movement. That's how Rath moves around if it's on the ground. There's no such thing as a harmless Rath walk. If it's moving, it's charging, and if it's not moving, it's probably about to charge or fly.

>>153294939
Every monster turns, yes. Some monsters, mostly Gen 1 and 2 monsters, have a charge. If you KNOW this and you're still not preparing, then I have no words for you. I don't even fucking like ANY of these monsters, and here I am defending them because people who fought them once or twice think they're unfair. They're badly designed, they're boring, their attacks suck, but they're from 2004! You should know how their clockwork ticks by now!

I don't think I've ever typed this out seriously in this General in three generations of Monster Hunter, but for god's sake, get fucking good.

>>153295115
Some people are just that bad

Would you drink rathian milk?

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>>153295445
No.

Yes.

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>>153295302
>He posted a tama reaction
prepare for ad hominem

>>153295445
rathains are non-mammals and would not produce milk

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>>153294627
>Luck is also a skill
>monster attacks are RNG based

What the fuck am I reading? Explain yourselves /mhg/

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>>153295335
This video is old and dumb as shit but it helped me overcome the Tigrex urgent when I was a fledgling hunter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NYYewCSxo

>>153295146
I really don't know how to hammer Tigrex.

>superpound its face as it turns around
>can't roll far enough to get out of the way of the charge
>don't have enough iframes to roll through the charge
>or instead of doing the turn around animation it'll just do the turn around charge

Feels like the only openings to hit its face are after a tail spin, when it's biting the air, or when it's flash bombed (causing it to do one of those two things).

>>153295146
>It's not untouchable
You still have to wait for it to stop and chase it down. You're not going to be hitting it while it's plodding around unless you're a gunner.

And he can't make 180 degree turns while running around so it just wastes time while you're scratching your balls. "Wait your turn while I do this elaborate but ultimately non-threatening dance" is basically the hallmark of poor fight design in video games. Rathalos world tour was a similar example.

Honestly, I wish they'd just let Tigrex turn 180 degrees for its multi-charges so you had to at least dodge it more than once, not watch him run perpendicular to you for no reason. Maybe even score some drive-by hits on him.

>>153294769

>what is adept CB

cringe

>>153295445
>egg laying wyvern
>milk

>>153295573
>dumb as shit

Pump ya brakes kid, Kaj is a national treasure

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>>153295552
>>153295656
>they don't know how to milk a Rathian
Nu-males, everybody.

>>153295337
>They're badly designed, they're boring, their attacks suck, but they're from 2004!
And it's 2016. They've had 12 years to redesign them, but they won't, because the Raths are untouchable mascots and by extension so are their clones that use the same skeleton rig.
Which is doubly bizarre because you have all these newer Rath clones that don't instacharge and have fluid attacks, like Seregios, Malfestio, Astalos. Sure, they're easier, but imagine if Malfestio's sleep beam were instant, or if Steve could do an instant backflip to apply bleed on you 100%.

>>153294627

>Luck is also a skill

I've had enough of /mhg/ for a day. Or week.

>>153294707
>>153294859
>>153294920
>>153294967
>>153295028
>>153295115
>>153295183
>>153295302
>>153295571
>>153295876
all these (You)s, I'm kind of envious

>>153295072
Thanks
>>153295171
Well the thing is you have to have made it at least once before for it to show up in the combo list. Hence why I'm asking.

>>153295869
I'm honestly done with this conversation, so this will be my last contribution to it.

I'm not arguing for design. I just said they were badly designed, and I will never say otherwise. I was saying that they're predictable, that they all have tells, and that they can be learned, and abused, like any other monster. The fundamentals are the same, the design is just archaic.

>>153296054
That's not true senpai, the combo is always available, you just don't know the result. You can probably figure out that Large Barrel Bomb + something is what makes LBB+.

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>>153295753
Dumb does not mean bad. Sometimes to overcome dumb shit you gotta go dumb too.

>>153295616
Double pounding it around turns normally, just hitting with the second hit. It's been 5ever but doing the Hunting Horn training against Tigrex in FU actually helped me get a feel for how to hammer it. I'm not a damn expert but damn it I know it's doable because I've done it in the past, it's in me somewhere I just have to dig it all back up.

>>153295869
>Which is doubly bizarre because you have all these newer Rath clones that don't instacharge and have fluid attacks, like Seregios, Malfestio, Astalos.
Those monsters are fucking nothing like Raths. All of you people are retarded. Garuga and the Raths are easy and predictable as fuck, fighting them is like fighting in slow motion. Holy shit.

"Luck" is definitely not a skill, but being able to estimate risk is.

Sometimes there's a 50-50 chance a monster will punish you for getting greedy, and it's almost never worth it to go for that hit. Sometimes there's a 1-in-5 chance a monster will hit you, and often it's a good idea to take that chance, even if you do get unlucky and get nailed to the wall for it.

You can learn to do the fight without taking any risks, but unless you're a superhuman it's probably going to result in slower/less efficient kills. You can also take every risk that presents itself, and then bitch up a storm about how it's not fair when the monster comes out on top. Knowing when you should and shouldn't take that risk is a skill, even if the outcome of taking a risk itself isn't.

>>153296054
No you don't. You see the full combo list, the final product is just listed as ??????????.
Obviously the item that requires Barrel Bomb L and another item is Barrel Bomb L+. What else would it be?

>>153295869
>They've had 12 years to redesign them, but they won't.

They did redesign them, moron, in gen 3 in which they add all the moves you newfags bitch about.

All of them are added in gen 3 and beyond.

Here's a G rank Gold Rath in FU, see how slow and punishable her moveset is for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNJVHuoSTC4

>>153296227
You were BTFO
>>153296050

So shut up already

>>153295337
>They're badly designed, they're boring, their attacks suck, but they're from 2004! You should know how their clockwork ticks by now!

Not an excuse. The instant charge was shit then, and it's shit now. Is it so hard for them to program a running animation that does not necessarily hurt you and add that in as well?

At any rate, they don't need removal, they need an overhaul. Bring them in line with the monsters from Gen 3 onward.

>>153296136
>I was saying that they're predictable, that they all have tells, and that they can be learned, and abused, like any other monster.
too bad your final post is retarded

>>153296227
So you're basically saying that I shouldn't even play the game

Fuck off shill

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>>153296390
Only my last contribution to that convo. Have a Chameleos for your effort. I've got lots more.

>>153296317
You're talking to a different person now, chief

>>153296223
>Those monsters are fucking nothing like Raths.
>missing the point entirely

They use the same base body skeleton, which shows that Capcom can give the classic Rath clone moves that aren't cancerous. This means there's no excuse not to revamp the gen 1/2 shitmonsters into more modern versions.
And yes, this can be done without neutering challenge, no one is saying to just keep their attacks exactly the same but give them a whole second of wind up with no compensation.

>>153295869
Why can't they just change the skeleton instead? They can keep the Raths, they just gotta update them.