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kToS Patch notes are translated: http://pastebin.com/fu4Tx4S5

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=610 - Rank 8 Update Preview
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=616 - Transcendence System
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=620 - Latest Patch notes
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=624 - While You Were Away: Updates You Might Have Missed

Previous thread: >>152968709

>Can I play the game now?
YES YOU CAN (Get it on steam)! Rank 8 Late September™

TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd

This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.

>Frequently Asked Questions:
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>Cards List:
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>Servers
- kTOS - Server : Vaivora (바이보라)
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA), Fedimian (EU), Telsiai (SEA)

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>/tosg/ Guilds info:
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena/Silute, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a Templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.
>Klaipeda
Futureproof (Lolipan)
Clover (Karga)
Database (Cattly)
CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)
Cake (DeliciousCake)
FOE (Jinsae)
Ohayou (Beethoven)
cute (Merigolds)
>Orsha
Kotatsu (Colyo)
>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)
>Telsiai
Comfy (Katzenberg)
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Any news on Miko spells yet?
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It's time, post good builds™.
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I love wooby!!!!
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CAPYBA IS A CUTIEPIE!
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>>153053948
Can all magic be used while flying?
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>>153053948
Oh no he has one class different from the norm literally trash.
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>>153053335
You aren't replacing Koenig, bitch!
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>>153054083
Cloves > Capyba in qt department
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>>153054208
Justify FF that don't have access to Link
Don't say JP scrolls because enchanter scrolls cost 12k per paper.
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>>153053657
>https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=624 - While You Were Away: Updates You Might Have Missed

They couldn't spent time fixing bugs instead of making a please come back announcement
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>>153054287
No one even knows my name don't worry I won't be replacing anyone.
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>>153054478
And nobody cares what your name is either, now get your fucking avatar out of the thread thanks?
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>>153054438
From their facebook.
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>>153054287
>>153054528

t. Koenig
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>>153054356
antabaka is qter than cloves and capyba
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>>153054478
I know your name.
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>>153054562
Now thats a low blow
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>>153054618
Shh
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>Cleave too fast
>client crashes

Who allowed this to happen
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>>153054478
2 Koenigs would be even better than 1
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Is jTos playable only through VPN?
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>>153056502
if you live in japan you don't need a vpn
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Um... any Fedimian here?
I would like to join some guild.
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>>153056545
Read the OP.
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>>153056658
I hope there is somebody from another guild. A lot of them are on Fedimian but only one is included on the list.
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>>153056813
There are no other tosg guild on Fedimian.
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>>153056998
But I heard coffeehouse wasn't a tosg guild?
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>>153057065
You got memed.
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>>153057065
they may be mostly slavs but they are still a tosg guild
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>>153057065
It's not. Their guild leader just constantly comes to tosg to shit up the thread. But this doesn't make his guild any "tosg".
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>>153057176
t. Klaicuck butthurt he isn't on the comfiest server.
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>>153057330
Thats not Orsha.
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>>153057176
you raise a good point though. Just what DOES make a guild a "tosg guild"?
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>>153057176
>>153057481
capyba is from tosg and most of our guild members are too!
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>>153057481
guilds i ilke
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TaltyBoys is now recruiting! We have only 1 member, so plenty of room for more. We're planning on doing PvP and PvE competitively, and we've already got a sponsor: LEGO. Our only requirements are that you're from /tosg/ and have a full set of +50 gear, and that you play for at least 16 hours a day. Pretty easy to meet, right? Sign up today!
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>>153057176
Capybararas webms are integral part of /tosg/.
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>>153057481
I have an authority to say that none of this trash can be called /tosg/ guild.
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CENTURION WHEN?!
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>>153054386
>group up with a linker
>self healing capabilities
oh wow doomed build!
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lolipan did nothing wrong
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With the major inflation in R8 attribute prices/material costs, did they add any new ways of earning money?
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>>153057981
who did this
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>>153058003
eheheheh
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>>153058003
nope
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>>153058003
10mil lotteries ;)
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>>153058003
Yep, Skeleton Archers
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>>153058003
mmotank
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>>153058003
And this is why low rank multihits will always be better than high rank r8 skills.
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>>153058569
>bring poor
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Reminder that the Alchemist Mafia totally isn't real and definitely isn't making efforts to ruin people's freedom to sell potions.
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Did Trinity sword is a good sword for Murmillo?
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>>153059163
Better question: Are swords still awful at R8?
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>>153058825
>Block Potion

Does anyone even buy that garbage?
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>>153059236
I don't care, I just have Steel, Golden Falchions and just Recipe for this sword drop, so maybe i craft this shit and try sell... many Pelta/Rodo running around now.
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>>153057898
>taking 30mins to think up a bait
>it's not even a good bait
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>>153059276
You can't, anyway. Not unless it's the ones that these faggots WANT you to buy.
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>>153059902
more than*
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>always come first in dps during missions and dungeons
>can even beat known rmt fletchers in missions
>yet never get a single world boss cube due to 2fps
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, why do I get the feeling even after the r8 swordie buffs that fletchers will still be top dog only for the fact that dragoon2s and fencers will never be able to use their full skills in 2fps environment?
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>>153060512
>>can even beat known rmt fletchers in missions
I'm sure you can anon.
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>>153060794
Yeah I sure can't :^)
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>>153054438

>Some intern or community manager is capable of fixing bugs

that's a good joke m8
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>>153060920
>he can't even get a World Boss cube while cheating
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>>153058825
Why is the mafia flooding the market with like 250 silver potions?
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Wow, archers are literally whores
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>>153059236

Where have you been? This game is now tree of physical dps in rank8
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>>153054208

I think FF synergizes best with thaumaterge and a full int build, to be honest.
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>>153061379
Not Swordsman.
SWORDS. THE ACTUAL CLASS OF WEAPONS, YOU IDIOT.
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>>153061735
swords are so shit they're being given to an archer class to use as an offhand, take from that what you will
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>>153061735

Oh, I see.

The answer is yes.
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I hate money prison.

Why can't tokens let us bypass this? This is the worst thing since deletion timers on posts.
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>>153060512
>fletchers
>relevant for bosses past r8 patch

Reversi scrolls for everyone, and they will be cheap as hell because Reversi is a lvl 1 skill
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>>153062519
A2qs3wugu2hakkapälle
Yay or nay?
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>>153062519
>reversing a 5s cooldown skill
The only reason Fletchers won't be at the top anymore is because fencer + dragoon simply outdps them.
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>>153062695
>implying skill spamming builds can even beat fletchers when 2fps exists
lots of hookers with 3000+ attack can't get world boss cubes even with much higher damage then fletchers due to fps issues in world bosses
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>>153062789
>lots of hookers with 3000+ attack
It's just one retard with a toaster that's too retarded to install warmode.
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>>153061984
Because RMT
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Fletchers are in a good place, mergen1 seems like a great class that complements world bossing since Arrow Rain is like a 30-multihit skill that you just cast and forget.
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>>153062695

Fletcher 3 Mergen 1 still tops flying bosses
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>>153062978
I hope its not a magic circle skill since reversi will be rampant
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I lose 2k HP in TBL, what the fuck.
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>>153063076
>Reversi an arrow shower
What the fug
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I'm seeing a lot more Necro 1s these days. Is it because Necro1Warlock is a popular build or are there going to be a million skeletons in every group once R8 drops? I swear I've had at least 3 Shoggoths in every group I've been in.
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>>153063076

It is though, but it's a really short duration so even if you see it in a world boss setting, chances are you won't even react fast enough to blow it up.
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>>153061256
Whats the male equivalent of that?
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>>153063251
r8 areas aren't that much better than current areas for shekel farming so people are getting preped
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>>153063251
Most people who make the effort to get to r7 seem to do it for necro farming, alchemists, and templars.
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>>153062978
doesn't the skill only last for 3 seconds, no way it can get that many hits
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>>153062789
I haven't had legit 2 fps on a world boss in forever, it's not nearly as competitive as it used to be and really was only a huge issue at dullahan.
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>>153063251
>tfw was going for full on lich build from launch
>stopped playing becasue waiting for friends to catch up
> they stopped playing
>stopped playing
is necro3 going to be worth it? i almost want to play again
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>>153063251
People fell for the Necrolinker is OP meme when in reality its Linker that was/still is for now OP
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>>153063417

It fires a lot of arrows over a large area, so if you cast it on a boss who has a fuckhuge hitbox, every single arrow will hit the boss.
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>>153063748
How is Mergen? Both archer r8 classes seem cool, but I've heard they're underwhelming. I already have an archer2rangerscout, so going Hakkapälle isn't the best idea I guess (how the fuck do I even build one)
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>>153064005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4B6jv0y0Hw
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>>153064038
I can't see videos right now lad, pls give a brief view
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>>153064005

They have some pretty powerful burst but their CD's are fuckhuge and not as strong as C2 Musket.

They're a good complimentary class for scout3 and Fletcher3 though.

It might get buffed in the future like how Fletcher did, who knows.
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>tbl literally filled with hacking scum who kill you before the match begins
wew
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>>153061806
Too bad that class sucks even with those damage and multi hit numbers
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>>153062690
Wugushi discounts you
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>>153064445
>I have never played a Swordsman: the post
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>>153064551
What else could I pick that synergises with the Mongolian horse archer?
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>>153064181
mfw they buff mergen by making all the arrows apply bleed damage
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>>153064724
mongs didn't use poison arrows tmk
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>>153064551
>discounts
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>>153064724
Go check the mounting page
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>>153063457
Play the game.
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>>153064742

I mean the most logical buff they can give is either:

>Make their worst skill apply a debuff that increases pierce damage
>Extend the bow attribute to increase 15% amage as well.
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AHHHHH I FKING HATE CLERICS, SAFETY ZONE RES IS TRULY FAIR AND BALANCED
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>>153065526
>sigh
Delete yourself.
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>>153065526
>he doesn't have Reversi
>he doesn't plan on going lancer/cannon2 to destroy magic circles

In this meta anti-cleric stuff is the key to win

>sighing when you're dead

Typical passive aggressive ameritard nu-male
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>>153065526
>he thinks he can stop level 6 res 1 sec cast time
ayy
It's balanced, mate. You need ways to counter bullshit onehitKO skills.
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Breaking News: shiny mobs don't reset the dpk counter if they drop a dpk item.
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>watch random 5v5
>trappe is afking
>again
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>>153065673
le sigh
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>tfw this game is still all about wizard and cleric, and fletcher for wb.
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>if you die impaled you respawn impaled... for the rest of the round
Quality gook programming
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>>153057065
You heard it right but since there are no other guild on Fedimian we just keep it in the OP for reasons.
Not like there is any /tosg/ left in EU for make a guild to begin with
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>>153065941
>shiny dpk mob
That happens so rarely it hardly even matters.
What item did you drop?
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>>153066051
>Wizard
>relevant in rank8
>Dragoon2/Fencer3
>not relevant in rank8
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>>153064757
>Ranger
Meh, SA doesn't work with anything but leg shot
>Archer past 3
>Wugu
Only gu pot dismounts, rest could be decent supplementary damage at worst
>Qs
Could work with the arrow meme Hakkapälle has
>>Sapper
>Hunter
>Scout
>Fletcher
Could work
>Rogue
Only for BS? Meh
>Falc
One circle, maybe
>Reiter
Eh. Idk, why not go reiter3?
>R7 classes
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>>153066117
Some material I was farming.
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>for the first time, winning streak in TBL
>ranking doesn't update
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How do I apply for Crimson?
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>>153066687
Ask in /crimson/, shitlord.
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>>153066051

>Making judgment on R7 classes when R8 is out in ktos

are you dumb?
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>>153066814
I'm talking about r8.
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>>153066925

Aren't WB's dominated by Dragoon2's, Doppel3's, Fencer3's, and Musket2's right now?
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>>153067023
No, still fletchers for the most part
Surprisingly, stacked doppel 3s are doing pretty well after the serpentine and epee nerf

t. ktos player
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>>153067129

Musket2's aren't doing well? Their burst looks really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI3c8FmirZc
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>>153067023
2fps means that fletchers will always be top dog
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Why is Buttstroke good again? I missed the info.
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>>153067325

Applies a debuff that doubles damage from musket skills.
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>>153067236
>2fps
That's only a dullahan thing.

Demon Lords usually have 2 maybe 3 parties on them.
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>>153067380
What is the logic behind this? Not to mention Musk should be ranged class.
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>>153067536

memes I guess.
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>>153067536
>not going hunter musketeer to drag enemies towards you then buttstroking them
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>>153067536
The logic is that those skills were useless and needed a buff.
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>>153067620
l-lewd
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Time to settle it
https://strawpoll.de/z1s9cr3
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>>153067785
>Cake is on their twice

You got a bone to pick mate?
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Just won a fight 1vs1 fight at TBL vs a faggot sanic speed Reiter thanks to Keel Hauling's bleeding. I love corsair.
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>tfw I impale the enemy cata before he impales me
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If I plan on going DPS which should I invest more points in? Daino or Zalciai
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>>153068262
neither, level your shitty lightning
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>>153059983
How does the system find average price anyway?
got any formula ?
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>>153068342
>Shitty
>spidergodofthunderer.avi
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>>153068342
I've already got that, stigma and melstis maxed out

Just wondering where I should dump the rest of these points
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>>153068262
Neither, but you'll have points after maxing zaibas
Daino past 10 is only good for gvg and going past 3 on zalciai isn't a great idea if you aren't spr, which you shouldn't be if you're dps

But at the same time the int buff is finicky
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>>153067968
when we get reddit to leave
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#3113338g.1a354a.1a2f596175.15213445.15243551
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Which build? There is also possibility of Hunter going Scout or getting Rogue1. Also what sex?
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>>153068589
Just realized I said neither then gave an answer anyway
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>>153067785
>The considered first and true /tosg/ guild is the most disliked by /tosg/
You burgers are such a pottery>>153067968
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Regarding Fweegirl 3, is really worth killing Hovering so the Falcon focus on Sonic Strike? OR it will just skip an attack when the game rolls "Hovering turn"?
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>>153068262

Divine Stigma is a meme.
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>>153068883
There's a video, unless it's meant to be a machine gun of furious bird it isn't skipping, check the forums for it
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>>153068859
>first
>futureproof

>true /tosg/ guild
>any of them
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>>153068859
Stop feeding the resident threadshitters please
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>>153068883
Hovering isn't good as a single hit skill as sonic strike, it's mostly for the area denial and knockback
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>>153069132
Its the truth however, futureproof was the first "real" /tosg/ guild that dates back to ktos only times.
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>>153069025
>divine stigma is a meme
>takes 15/15 zalciai

Points invested in zalciai are a waste passed 1. (or 3 if you feel like pumping attributes)

The skill only increases crit attack by about 4 a level and decreases enemy crit defense by about 1.5 a level. Its more worth it to leave it at one or 3 and just get spirit if you intend to actually use it for what it does.
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>>153069025
>he put points into melstis
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>>153067785
Does anyone have info about the size and activity levels of the /tosg/ guilds?
Things like chat activity, number of active members, etc.

I'm a guildless hobo and would like to see some numbers instead of the usual vague recruitment pitches.
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>>153069268
You can't get anymore tru/tosg/ than

>Ohayou

This guild is the 4chan guild experience you've been looking for the whole time.

Memes? We got them
PvP domination? Pretty good on that
PvE domination? Soon to come
Cute name? You betcha
Autism? Hell yeah
Erp? Of course

What are you waiting for anymore?
Join the fun at Ohayou
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>>153068883

They recently made a buff for a cannon skill to be a true multihit, they might do the same for sonic strike if korea complains loud enough.
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>>153069446
They won't get much complaining because not many people took 2 in falconer
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>>153069368

Are you legitimately retarded?
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>>153069446
Sonic Strike would be retardedly strong if that were the case
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>>153069546

A man can dream though!
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>>153069423
Foe has about 5-10 people on always. Chat is only really active when were doing something like the tower or when were leveling characters with eachother. Bout it.
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>>153069546

It would be *balanced.
It's a fucking r8 skill!

True MH Sonic Strike = still weak as a r5 skill, this at r7. With the new falcon skill, it would be considered a "good r7 skill".

Seriously, c2 Sonic Strike is a shit version of Earth Wave.
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>>153069423
>Not being embracing Kirito
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>>153069025
>putting points into zaibas after the nerf
wew
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>>153069367

You don't exactly have better options as a krivis int build. You can literally do whatever you want after you maxed lightning and melstis since there aren't really any other better options.
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>>153069423

>>153053657
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>>153069765
>Skill that activates at every 5 seconds, without locking you into an animation
>Implying falconer is meant to be a DPS class
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>>153068589
>>153069025
I feel like 3 in the torch is a bit overkill, unless there's some reasoning behind it.

1 in Zalciai just for the magic enhance and 14 in Daino because I plan on doing PvP with a bunch of friends.

Thanks for the help anyway guys!
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>tfw Demon will never join your guild
hwy evne lvie
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>>153069824
Basically my point. Divine stigma sitll gives a decent buff to everyone's str and int in your group as long as you're not too retarded to fuck up it's application.

Daino doesnt really need 9 points, its usually happy with 5-7 and more aukuras is basically the only other thing to dump into so that there is fine.
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>>153069913

3 in torch unlocks the attribute.
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>>153069903


>red badge
>not dps
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>>153069673
Thank you friend.
Does FOE accept meme builds or only good ones?

>>153069790
I feel that there are much better single player (kirito) games to be played than ToS.

>>153069895
Nothing has exploded since this isn't peak NA time.
I want concrete info since the recruitment messages are mostly vague advertisements like this one: >>153069435
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>>153063219
Please respond.

Nobody has this issue? It's like some of stats aren't taken into account in TBL (maybe set bonuses or plate attribute?)
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>>153069923
Why ya namedropping
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>>153070605
I think they accept literally anyone just like every other guild here. I think every guild is starving for members.
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Which is the most successful /tosg/ guild?
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>>153070873
Not yours thats for sure
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>>153070873

That's an easy one, Comfy by far.

If you Amerifat guilds then it is unironically Ohayou if you consider getting hella TP as success but they sort of just lucked into in their first week. Who knows how they'll do when week 2 is upon us starting tomorrow night.
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>>153070873
Ohayou has the highest TDP (TP domestic product) and soon to be highest Hamster count!
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Why haven't you stopped playing this shitty game full of hackers and started playing Aura Kingdom like the rest of F.O.E?
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>>153070795
It's fun
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>>153069913

You need 3 points in zalciai to unlock the attribute that gives +100 crit attack
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>>153071196

>Aura Kingdom
>Not Twin Saga
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>>153070065

Does 15 in torch give you bonus MAMP if you have animus?
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>>153068707
Your hunter build is absolutely fucking garbage tier, I would literally rather kill myself than get matched with you in my party for anything.

The qs build is ok tho.
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>>153071419
Yes. Unless they changed it, animus takes a snapshot of your current hp recovery which restoration and aukuras both increase
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Can we talk about Oracle3 and preferably not about how it can make traps?

Are the 2 new skills worth it or am I better off maxing out Counterspell, Death Sentence and/or Arcane Energy?
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>>153070696
Are you over lvl 200?
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>>153071127
>>153071148
I'm considering joining you people. Who's in charge? Is it all PvP all the time or what?
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>>153071604
Max death sentence might be cool
Arcane energy will forever be 0 point wonder, meaning you should never even put a fucking point into it because its giga trash.

New spells look decent for PvP
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>>153071196
looks like shit
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>>153071760

There's a new enchanter skill that combos with Arcane Energy. Also, lv Arcane energy + attribute to reveal scouts :^)
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>>153071517
Is the qs build str or dex?
not that guy btw
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>>153071704
Right, I get it now.
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>>153071932
You wont have enchater and oracle3 so I have no idea why you bring it up to the discussion at hand.

Also if you waste a buffslot for arcane energy to "reveal scouts" you need to kill yourself.
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>>153071604
Twist of Fate seems the most promising to be honest because it has potential to be the biggest nuke in the entire game.
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How much are physical attack enchants worth?
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You guys had any IRL meet ups yet?
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>>153071747

>Is it all PvP all the time or what

not at all, it's just a chill social guild and no one takes themselves or the game too seriously. It is full of people who like to PvP though
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>>153072368
Show me your guild roster. I need to know how many friends are there.
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>>153071296

Fuck that noise

When are we getting eternal Eden 2.0? That class system is goat as fucj
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>>153072307
Toronto /tosg/ hello.
Half of /vg/ lives in Toronto
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>>153072307

We aren't all concentrated on like 3 tropical monkey islands so Klaipedo autism meetup will only ever happen in spirit at Kateen.
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>>153072307
I'll have one with my ToS crushh soon(tm)

Wouldn't mind going to a Klaipedo meetup either
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>>153072557
ILL FUCKING KILL YOU WITH MY CLUB YOU RAPIST

DELETE THIS
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Lets discuss truly op players ahead of their time.
This is him btw. Do not confuse with another autist.
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/users/imcisgreed/activity
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>>153072598

Who /tosg/ronto here?
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>>153072598
>>153072790
Yes hello. The east side subway trains are literally roasting me alive.
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>>153072620
Sometimes I forget that the US does not have comfy and speedy trains and people there dont check out other cities for fun.
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>>153072081

Enchanter is a wizard class, anon.

And revealing scouts before they canon shot your retards is a big thing on tbl. Play the Game. Buff slot is overrated as fuck, don't mind removing their useless sacrament if this keeps then alive
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>>153073024
Scarborough is still toronto. Im stuck there too.
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>Canada
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>>153069824
Aukuras reduces enemy accuracy by up to 60% if you max it out.
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>>153071760
C3 Death Sentence sounds so fucking broken for PvP

20 seconds to kill with passives that give it a huge slow and shaves the cooldown by 450 seconds.

Does the skill improve with Divine Might?
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>>153073303
Make sure to bring lots of cold water on the subway because they can't be assed to install a fan on the high-speed underground people oven.

Other than that I like it a lot. I'm down near Woodbine station, how about you?
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>>153073646
it does
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>>153073646
Yep, it's gonna be 16 seconds

Death Sentence gem when
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>>153073780
Does it spread though links or no?
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>>153073680
Closer to scarborough town center and asiancourt mall

I dont really use the subway that often. The busses take me to and from wageslaving though.
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>>153073646
Death sentence is a lv 1 debuff, so you're fucked if the enemy team has a cleric
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>>153073914
Yeah thats what you think about fletcher too I bet

Yet I fucking die from 60k hp health to one broadhead because my PD is too retarded to cast cure
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>>153072598
>>153072790
North York here!
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>>153073914
Counterspell
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>>153073868
I have no idea where that is. I actually just moved here two months ago.

>>153073990
Sometimes I think Toronto is the only Canadian city with internet.
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>>153073024
>>153073303

o/
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>>153073646
>Death Sentence
Nobody ever uses death sentence in tbl
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>>153074143
I saw one in 2v2
that slow is scary.
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So are we having a toronto meet up then?
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AYYYYYYYY
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>>153074047
>Sometimes I think Toronto is the only Canadian city with internet.

No but you Torontocucks just love to flaunt yourself on the internet for some reason. Must be some sort of identity problem, I bet you're all shitskins too

That place is fucking awful, so much non-white garbage sandniggers and pakis running around

>>153074143
That's because it's only good at lvl 16
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>>153074047
Sheppard and kenedy is asiancourt mall. STC is around mccowan or something. Losts of busses just take you directly there. The 190 from donmills station for example

Toronto and vancouver basically.

>>153073990
I work in north york~
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>>153074143
How many Oracle 2s are there on the server though besides Simony
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>>153074265
Although i agree and cant argue against that, i live among all them chinese as one of the only white people there. North York has more white than the mudslimes though, so working there is comfy enough
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>>153072690
who is it anon?
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>>153074265
I just found it fun that there are so many other /tosg/ in the same city as me anon. You should stop being so upset.

>>153074293
Oh okay, I think I know where that is.

>>153074245
I guess I'd be up for it. Depends how many people are going.
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>>153074245
No.
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>>153071517
Why hunter build is bad? How do you make hunter? How do you make sapper?
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>>153074503
ToS crushes/gf/bfs/wives/spouses shall never be named as that is one of the rules of the ToS crush lifestyle
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>>153070605
>>153072472
Ohayou outside of our namefags is mostly whos but thats kind of whats nice about it. We usually have around 11-12 people on, about half are capped and the other half are r5-r6 at most. There aren't any build requirements or we would've kicked a certain archer a while ago. Just be nice and get along with everyone.

Pros:
We're mostly PvE oriented now and we do
events everyday
>11pm Get hamsters eggs (pic related)
>12am Saalus, Uphill, Dungeon rushes
>12am-11pm Sleep

Once enough people are high enough level, we'll start doing ET. We also really need an Elec3.

Some members choose to do TBL but its not a requirement. If you'd like to try TBL there are a lot of members you can practice with or learn from before you start.

GvG is just a once a week thing to exploit for TP

We help everyone with leveling, sometimes gear, and build advice, you get access to Templar teleport which lets you skip large amounts of questing, and bee leeching which lets you get to r6 quickly.

Cons:
-Beethoven will bug you about what coffee you
drink
-Beethoven will occasionally chase you through town trying to perma knock you down
-Beethoven will make you kiss him if you're a girl

whisper Beethoven if you're interested :^)
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>>153074245

it would be extremely difficult to convince me into crossing that line with you nerds
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hey guys reddit directed me here as the best place for beginner tips. what's a good solo class in cleric tree? paladin looks cool, and inquisitor looks pretty sick to play when it comes out. I'm open to play anything though as long as it has good solo self sustain.

I just want something to play when I don't feel like playing overwatch.
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>>153075312
>the best place for beginner tips
no, this is the best place for off topic blogging
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Have some of my autism.
>want to level necro from 266 to 280
>have equip only for 1 character
>team storage is not big enough to transfer everything in one go
>try to expand it through collections
>big kepa drop and resp time is retarded
>now thinking of making an oracle just to farm the recipe
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>>153075312
Cleric3Paladin3Monk1Inquisitor
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>>153075523
how is oracle are they good for anything besides item farming?
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>>153075740
Oracles dominate TBL.
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>>153075692
>Cleric3
ayyyy
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>>153075523
That's like me and how I went to make other char to fund one I haven't made yet only to realize I should have just made another qs to farm dungeons
Respawn time isn't so bad although I only got walkers and pendants after 100~ kills
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>>153075740
They are awful.
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>>153075843
>he doesn't want to have max deprotected zone for that superior Inquis and monk dps

I want misinfo drones to leave
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>>153075936
Cleric2 and the attribute is more than enough.
Cleric2Priest2Paladin3Inquisitor is what retards who absolutely want to be paladins should be doing.
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>>153075250
Sounds good, but really post roster. It's going to come down to which guild I know more people in. I have some old /tosg/ friends and I'm not sure where they all scattered to.
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>>153075740
Oracles are quite amazing defensively
>Prophecy gives you immunity to 90% of all statues with no downtime
>Counterspell is like Safety Zone for magic attacks but also removes other magic circles
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>>153071419
>>153071521
No it doesn't.
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>>153074293
I work in uoft (st george), commuting through yonge line feels like a different adventure everyday.
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>>153076129

do you have any proof?
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>>153076118
any suggestions on a build for one and would it be good to take it to c3?
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>>153072584
>When are we getting eternal Eden 2.0
EE was the most fun I ever had in a mmo, that game was great.
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>>153072584
>>153071296
>>153076286

Grand Fantasia shits all over everything Aeria has released these past few years.
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>>153076262
I tested myself and didn't work, I have no intention of making a webm for you or something.
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>>153076052
>priest 2 instead of priest 1 or 3
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>>153076267
We don't really know how good C3 is but they have a 30-40% max hp nuke that works on non-field bosses but heals them over 30 seconds if you don't get the killing blow with it and a 65% chance to nullify damage magic circle that moves slowly.

Unfortunately Oracle C2 blows and is relatively unexplored except for like 3 or 4 players, so most people take a single rank in Oracle which provides most of the benefits, typically Cleric 2>Diev/Priest 3>Oracle 1>Kabbalist. The best Oracle 3 build will probably just be modifying that build to be Oracle 3 instead of Kabbalist at the end, although one tosg player is a Chaplain Oracle 2 that does decently.
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>>153076129
Yes it does.
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>>153076267

Cleric2 -> Diev3/Priest3 -> Oracle.
Don't go past c1 unless you want to start a sex change shop.

Then depending on whether you're more interested in building a PvE or PvP character go PD into PD2 R8 for PvE or Kabbalist for PvP
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>>153074810
but how can we help you if we don't know~~
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>>153076837
Who the FUCK are you dumbass quoting?
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What else puts stacks fast for hakkapelle besides QS3?
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>>153076267
the thing I dont like about Oracle 3 is how bad Oracle 2 is overall and you really lose so much going to Oracle 3 unless you want to gender change people.

Great builds with just Oracle are
>Cleric2Diev3OracleKabba???
>Cleric2 Priest3 Oracle Kabba
>Cleric2 Bokor3 Oracle PD (can replace a level of Bokor with Pardoner)

>>153076084
sorry we don't want to namedrop everyone in our guild who isn't already an attentionwhore. That'll just lead to /tosg/ bullying them and we dont want that to happen. You can talk to Beethoven if you want names or just go to FOE then.
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>>153076882
i might try to experiment with an oracle then i really like the look of the class and the tranny shop plus death sentance at c3 looks fun.
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>>153076797
>>153077191

Show me proof, i dont want to reskill ;_;
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>>153077293
thats a big rin
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>>153077438
You can pick up Ranger c1, Barrage at point blank puts 5 arrows straight into the enemy so after two barrages you already capped the damage.

QS3 Ranger Rogue Falconer Hackapelle might give you the most possible synergy for focusing mainly on Hackapelle skils
>QS3 and Ranger for different degrees of arrow stacking
>Rogue because Cavalry Charge flips the enemy, can capture Circling
>Falconer because Circling can be used while mounting now and you're useless in DPS :^)
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>>153077664
But skills don't stick arrows into enemies unless IMC changed something.
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>>153077605
for (You)
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>>153077293
I never asked for help little Rhino
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4127778e

Y/N for GvG
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>>153074714
Sapper is worthless without wugu, hunter is typically a pvp only class since the only decent skill for pve they get is at hunter circle 3, the reason the build is bad is that you have sapper without wugushi which is useless damage-wise and if you were going for a pvp build then you desperately need scout for cloaking.
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>>153077482
Making proof right now. W8.
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>>153077482
Even if it doesn't Aukuras as an hidden effect of decreasing the enemies accuracy, it's an ok skill.
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>>153077809
Take cleric 2. Priest 1 is useless.
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>>153077903
What does Wugushi has that compliments Sapper so much?
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>>153077732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wu2z5NUj4c
it does work
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Is it just me or is rank 6 faster to get through than rank 5?
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>>153077809

Y

Kabb is probably a better option though unless your guild already has enough kabbs.

>>153078183

This is misinfo, res is extremely useful in GvG priest1 is a fine substitute if the character is specifically for that purpose
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>>153078423
>This is misinfo, res is extremely useful in GvG priest1 is a fine substitute if the character is specifically for that purpose
It's worthless. Unmaxed res is too long to cast, reses with too few HPs and has a 30s cooldown anyway. It's better to have a much stronger heal and a muhc, much better safety zone than wasting a whole circle on Res 5.
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>>153078408
>get to rank 5
>sit at dina bee farm
>go to sleep
>wake up rank 6
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>>153078683
>Unmaxed res
res caps at 5 you fucking retard.
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>>153078683
>Unmaxed res is too long to cast,
It's priest 1 you tard, why would you not max Res? Don't tell me you put 5 into Monstrance
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>>153078832
Doesn't change anything. Still a waste of a circle. Focus on making sure your teammates don't die instead of trying to counterbalance your incompetence with res.
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>>153078752
I had no skills to hit flying enemies so i skipped bees
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>>153071196
>Aura Kingdom
>Aeria Games

no thanks
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>>153069423
Have you been coming to meetups? The best way to see guilds for yourself is to show up and get to know members.
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>>153078973
You should play the game.
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>>153079250
>Tree of Savior
>IMC games

yes please?
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>>153078973
Amazing theories from someone who never even spectated a competitive GvG in the new map, let alone played one.
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>>153079321
You are the one who should play the game.
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>>153079427
I won this game.
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>>153079287
That's a good idea, I'll do that this time.
I usually go to sleep before maintenance.

Last meetup I went to was the one where Pios got everyone hats, or the meetup when the maintenance was one hour early.
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>>153079637
I won your are mom.
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>>153078973
>one shot skills left and right
>focus on keeping your teammates alive
Retard.
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>>153079705
>one shot skills left and right
Play the game.
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For my pvp fletcher should I put more points into broadhead for the armor reduction or into barbed arrow?

I don't know how useful barbed arrow will be.
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>>153079287

Most of the guilds don't really go to those despite being active. It's always just Futureproof CuteNotLewd and maybe a few Clover / cute and an assortment of non /tosg/ guild people
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>>153079881
Im assuming you mean bodkin

Bodkin is just for removing shields which is just reflect and subzero which mostly dont even effect you. Barbed Arrow murders anyone not wearing plate, heavy shot murders anyone wearing plate, so get barbed.
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>>153080083
Thank you senpai, yeah I meant bodkin oops.
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>>153080291
just wanted to add that Heavy Shot has a +50% damage multiplier to plated targets that isnt in the description, it also does knockback so it disrupts the enemy from doing anything. Learn to abuse the crap out of this.

I'm assuming you're going Archer2RangerScout and not the Ranger3 meme right?
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How do i mount my shitty penguin?
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>>153080000

Why would I waste my limited time in game I could be actually doing things idling with Futurecucks and CuteNotLewd? I'd rather just chat with my guild.
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Futureproof is recruiting new members. We're a /tosg/ -exclusive guild, dating back from Korean Open Beta, with a focus on PvP and GvG. We'll accept anyone, so long as you actively lurk and/or post on /tosg/ and have PvP goals. Whisper Lolipan if you'd like an invite, or have any questions.
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>>153077809
if you're going for GvG and you already took Oracle you should take Kabbalist and kill half the enemy team through Sevenfold Revenge
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>>153078973
>0 con players bitching that their builds are glass cannons
TOP FUCKING KEKE
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>jewish sun god
I don't understand.
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>>153081957
hey Koenig!
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>>153053657
can sage copy Salamion or Frost Pillar?
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>>153081143
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>>153081143

>guild leaders are the ones looking for talt
>this picture

Are you saying you're so desperate you'd eat it off a person's foot for talt?
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>>153082256
Why is he running around lke retard without using any skills?
>>
>a kinos gravity pole crashes my game
I hope that was a one off thing
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>>153081143
>Don't have PvP goals
>Think PvP is dumb
>In FP

Should I leave? I only know like 2 people
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>>153082845
Because he is a skilled player from a tosg exclusive guild, dating back from Korean Open Beta, with a focus on PvP and GvG.
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>>153083180
Yeah you shold fuck off to ohayou or something.
Perfect guild for useless attention whoring lowbies who will quit in less than a week.
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>>153083198

kek
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>>153082256

Is Lolipan the Anthony Burch of TOS?
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>>153078314
pls respond
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>>153082525
I picked something random from the TaltOC folder that someone else made. The truth is, Talt is a curse. So many jokes about Talt, and I hardly get anything but Talt. For someone who rushes dungeons everyday on 12 characters, my earnings are super meager.
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>>153083512

It's the other way around friendo
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I finally got it!
2 weeks of doing this silly gimmick
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>>153083378

>Goes full passive aggressive on his member who was just asking an innocent and relevant question related to their presence in the guild

I think you have your answer anon.
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>>153083709
I got two while I was grinding alemeth
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>>153083669
Still, what is it that works well between wugu and sapper? I checked skills and I can't see anything.
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>>153083969
Vintage meme. It was for broom trap but everyone who rolled that build rerolled years ago.
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>>153083709

>tfw I've done that silly gimmick for well over a month and all I got was churos
>and 2 bloody dagger
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>>153083805
That was obviously an Ohayou falseflagger fishing for members, anon.
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>>153083805
you weren't asking a question, you were stirring up shit for attention.
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>>153083969
>>153084080
Broom Trap is the most effective way of spreading poisons. It's pretty good and everyone who played that build said it was fun. Though ultimately, you still end up with the problem of relying on damage-over-time spells to do damage.
>>
I hate Kalejimas and Storage.
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>>153084135
>1 hour wait between attempts
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How can other classes even compete
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>>153086985
By having glitches that actually benefit them
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>>153086985
rain
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>>153085880

Uh, no, I just did Pendulum thing at Rasvoy Lake 6 times a day. You got it from a Forest Cube right?
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>>153087217
This will be fixed one day.
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>>153087440
>>153085880

Oh and changing channels and playing the marble shooting thing in the map before Rasvoy.
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>>153082203
>>153053657
anyone know or test it please?
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>>153087547
It's an intended feature
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>>153087652
No. Rain, Reversi, and even capture should only affect enemy magic circles.
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>>153087440
>>153087561
oops
Yeah I did, I only did the one at Thaumas, looked like the easiest one
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>>153087834
Capture has an attribute to catch ally magic circles.
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>>153088368
Yeah, but that only works for party members or something.
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>>153083709
Grats Murbie :3
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>want to be princess carried again
>none of the good tosg pvpers do tbl any more
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>>153083709
It looks like shit.
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>>153089496
Just get a cata fuckbuddy already
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>>153090073
>cata
>carrying
enjoy your 2v2 queue fuccboi theyre dead weight 5v5 except for the 2 round impale bug
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>>153089496
What is tbl? I keep seeing that
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R8 swordies sure are wonderful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIJwVoefteU
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>>153089496
what are you? i just broke into top 5... I didn't know you could queue together?
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>>153090391
"Team Battle League" PvP arena event 4x daily
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>>153090751
poor lolipan
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>>153090751
Hahaha meleetards thought they'll ever get out of the "i'm here for the xp bonus" zone.
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>>153090751
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/npcs/58469
Those are probably cloth, so that's alright on my book. Just wondering if the cassa crista or whatever it's named shouldn't block magic more often
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>>153090320
Thought you mean literally carrying
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>>153069423
Sorry this is so late, but I just woke up. Futureproof usually has about 9 online average and during peak hours maybe 13 and 4-5 are very actively chatting in guild.

All thread memes about Futureproof aside, we mostly chat about the thread and what we'll be doing for the day, Dungeons, making an alt specific to PvP types, etc. The guild is at 29/33 spots and is active at all times of the day and night due to everyone living in different time-zones.

If Lolipan isn't on and you're interested in chatting about PvP or the thread with friends, feel free to message Cats and they'll save your name and get you in touch with him.

>On another note

Just testing the waters here but it seemed like we had a good turnout for the Low-Level PvP Arena yesterday. Would anyone have any interest in another one today or tonight since it's now officially the weekend?
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Is there some sort of distance mechanic for exp gain where you don't get any if you are too far from the dead mob?
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>>153092095
Yeah. Dunno why the actual range is, it seems pretty generous but you gotta be at least in the vicinity.
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>>153092095
If you're too far from the mob, you won't get exp
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>>153091813
You woke up at 5pm?
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>>153092314
>>153092319
fug
I need an auto-follow addon
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>>153092095
About 30 heal tiles or two screens away
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>>153092356
I'm really surprised there isn't one. This isn't the first time I've seen people ask.
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>>153092353
he lives in arizona so it's 2:50pm for him right now
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What are some good plate armour and pants I should wear?
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Is it possible to solo rush the 240 dungeon?
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>>153092810
For what level?
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>>153092881
259.
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>>153092813
>rush
You can't rush it period. If you have high dps you can solo all the mobs.
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Guys I'm currently Cleric2/Priest1/Paladin1/Monk1, did I dun goofed?
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>>153090751
That's the first revelation dungeon, I don't know what IMC is thinking but based on my experience there they're either trying to push the "always play in a full party" meta or they just don't know how to balance shit. The damage/HP spike is real for 280+.
There are very few builds capable of soloing the new content comfortably, compared to now.
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>>153092810
Grynas
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>>153092810
Grynas.
Superior Royal if you're unlucky.
Virtov if you really want to waste time and you're very lucky.
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>>153093148
fug, farming that is bad, isn't it also in a set? I'm not lucky at all with that kind of shit.

>>153093190
>Superior Royal if you're unlucky.
guess I'll try that for now
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>>153093129
I can't believe the idea that they'd finally fix Tree of Soloing. Whenever this comes out, mark my words, it'll be just like beta with a bunch of solo swordsmen killstealing everyone while everyone says grouping would ruin their efficiency.
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>>153069423
>>153069673
>>153075250
>>153091813
Thanks for the great replies!
Not sure I would fit in a PvP or tryhard guild since all my characters are stupid memes.
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i need a link to the discord so i can get in on those sick emotes please thanks
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You get about 150k for a full clear of 130 dungeon, right?
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>>153094242
260k
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>>153094242
i got 246k last time i did it
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>>153094925
You're hired.
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>>153094925
big
fat
storage
tats
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>>153094925
>Cow tits
>Overly huge glasses
>Bug face
>Massive forehead
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>>153095414
You forgot
>stutter
Aisa makes my dick diamonds.
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>>153094925
You can come as long as you hold my fragments.
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>>153095558
>>153095414
>Gross rash on her cheeks
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>>153095863
Uhmmm... I think those are freckles, Anon.
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>>153090751
We don't see his mdef so it's hard to say if the dmg is absurd or not.

>>153093129
What are revelation dungeons?
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Anyone else keep getting this bug when they try to start cutscenes with summons
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>>153071196
i did. its shit.

>>153071148
>and soon to be highest Hamster count!
Ohayou please
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>>153097258
Ehh it's not a real term, I just meant that's the first dungeon main storyline dungeon after kalejimas. You will find a goddess and fight a demon lord there.
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>>153097606
The same exact thing happened to me yesterday on my necro
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>>153093067
As far as a path yes, but you are doing it roughly correct
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>>153097606
Did a ton of the Grynas area quests last night and never got this issue, no.
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>>153097997
Hmm, I also did grynas earlier and didn't have it happen but it happened on the coast map before Igti coast too

>>153097894
The same quest?
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>>153098139
Yes the same quest
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>>153097606
That's what you niggers get for skele/bone posting
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>>153097606
Someone didn't kiss dvine's ring, it seems.
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Remember to preorder your Revelation Online packs!
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>>153098664
Noway buddy, im saving my cash for 200$+ Wolfknights EA DLC. And so should you.
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>>153098512
>>153098563
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>>153099880
Indeed. These motherfuckers betray you.
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>>153099880
I don't know who you are but let's be friends.
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>>153093067
RIP your first cleric. it's good to have a solid plan for the roll you see yourself taking (there's no room in any PvE party for a cleric that doesn't heal)

Have fun with your next character, if you want to play a monk, i recommend high SPR priest path, or a diev3 path
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>>153100968
That's Rance. He's in your guild!
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For a pardoner should i invest in spirit to make my blessings better or is that not how it works when people buy my buffs?
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>>153093067
Could recycle this with Cleric2/Priest1/Paladin3/Monk/Inquisitor and a lot of DEX.
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>>153101406
>is that not how it works when people buy my buffs?
That. If you actually play your pardoner/char, spr is nice for Increase Magic Defense too
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>>153101101
Actually it has Heal 10 with all attributes except enhance, Resurrect 5 with all atributes maxed too.
For paladin I maxed smite and restoration has the sp attribute maxed as well. Turn Undead has the SPR attribute too.
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>>153101356
Well he's a cool dude
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>>153097606
It's just certain quests, like that one. My shoggoth killed all the skels before they hurt me when it happened to me though.

More commonly my summons will attack/kill enemies before I'm done with the text part of cutscenes.
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>>153102182
Rance is probably the coolest boy(male) in FutureProof.
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>>153100968
>>153101356
>>153102182
It's true. Nice action shot, by the way.

I'm not the only person who posts (You) soon.jpg though.
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>>153097154
WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME YOU LITTLE SHIT?
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>>153102647
>I'm not the only person who posts (You) soon.jpg though.
suuuurrreeee
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>>153100968

>That whisper

Why'd you join FP when your OTP is a guild leader now?
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>>153102647
In a few class levels I'll post skeletons with you.

>>153103239
I need to check my chat before taking screenshots.
Gax and I are buddies. I got invited to FP pretty much as soon as I came back so I joined.
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>tfw they nerfed the only thing that made swordsmen viable
Time to roll something else, clearly IMC doesn't like them
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>>153104280
What do you mean?
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>>153104280
What did they nerf?
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I rolled a nice hat. Should I sell it now, or wait for R8?
On one hand, the power creep could devalue it. On the other, that'd be betting against autism. wat do?
Someone offered me a Max Peta for it, though he said he'd "be back in an hour", so I think he's reconsidering.
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Is cata desync fixed in ktos?
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>>153104479
That's not really worth a max peta. Take that trade if he doesn't change his mind.
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>>153104479
>max peta
Go for it.
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>>153104387
>>153104390
The attribute that made dragoon 2's serpentine give extra damage is 5 sec instead of 10

Also, the people on the forums really hate swordsmen
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>>153104280
>restrain and rush keep getting buffed for no discernible reason
You're wrong. The only things that make swordsman viable keep getting stronger.
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What's the best class to roleplay as Santa Claus?
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>>153104684
>>153104725

Well, like I said, he's probably going to come back and say he changed his mind.
I'm on Klaipeda. What do you think I should take for it?
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>>153104730
If anything, they toned down the classes that were too god and buffed the ones that weren't doing so well. Dethrone still looks amazing, 5 seconds on a skill that has 16 cd isn't that low desu. Fencer is still looking great even after the nerf, doppel got a bit better, murm has more options.
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>>153105449
1 mil at least maybe?
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>>153104990
Monk
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>tfw floating in the air with 5 weapons equiped and 1.5 ASPD with AoE autoattacks soloing instances

lol
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Why would someone do this
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DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERCUT ME EVER AGAIN
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>>153105798
>alchemist
who cares? Certainly not that person
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>>153104990
Since Santa Claus is inspired in Odin and Odin owns Sleipnir and Gungnir, I'd say Lancer.
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>>153104730
>dragoon
no one cares
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>>153104730
Who cares? Swordsmen reach their peak efficiency at around level 25 once they max Swash Buckling, every thing that comes after that is fluff.
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>fighting Marnox
>it's still fresh
>we're one of only two parties here
>after a while the channel crashed
>now it's gone
th-thanks hook64
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Wait a second

What happened to the new and improved world map?
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>>153107205
Not every crash is caused by that, stop being paranoid.

You have to pay $200 to even have the ability to do so, really think anyone cares that much about a marnox?
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If the initial hit of broadhead arrow gets reflected by revenged sevenfold does it still apply the bleed afterwards to the person?
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>>153105798

She has linker, she's more futureproof than elememes
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>>153107763
>>153107205
It was me :^)
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>>153107868
Yes, if you don't have bl/prophecy, but the person who used it on you will probably die anyway.
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>>153107205
Does marnox even have a card? I guess power staff is a funny gimmick weapon and circle rod is strong but marnox generally seems to be ignored.
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We did it!!
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>>153108524
You found the entrance to the dungeon? congrats
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>>153108176
Thank you senpai.
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>>153108524

Kotatsu got its first hamtower clear today, but no hamham drop.

With only 2 280s present, a lot of cheesy teamwork was required, but we're ready to start getting some hams of our own. Better late than never.

Kotatsu still comfiest.
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So how is the homonculus in kToS?
Something tells me it's a big waste of skill points.
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>>153109253
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/homunculus-what-it-is-how-to-get-it-and-how-it-works/322177

sounds shitty
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>>153109172
Honestly all you really need are a bunch of people with barriers and a way to kill the initial bosses. We only have one 280 in our guild and we manage well enough with 4-5 people for our runs
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>>153109490
Can other classes use the homoculus?
The philosopher stone (the homonculus egg) is tradable, so...
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>>153109908
no idea

Make Karga lvl his alche to R8 there :^)
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>Resist Elements replacing Blessing/Sacrament
>Attackspeed buff replacing Blessing/Sacrament on my Wiz
>Swift Step replacing Blessing/Sacrament on my Wiz
why are niggers doing shit like that
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>>153110732
>Sacrament
garbage
>blessing
meh
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>>153110852
no. and still better than that other shit
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>>153111072
You are an utter retard if you think a shitty sacrament is better than resist elements.

In before "it's for pve".
Nobody gives a shit about your pve blogging.
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>>153111291
i was talking about dungeon runs
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>>153111437
>Nobody gives a shit about your pve blogging.
you know what to do
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>>153111598
but it isnt pvp minigame ragepost hour yet
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>>153111704
Yes it is, go to sleep Fedimian.
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>>153111291
>>153111598
>pvp
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>>153111783
No, it is not.
I'm not even Fedi
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>>153111291
Nobody gives a fuck about PvPers who just jump games the second they're bored exploiting or the second their blatantly overpowered class/spec/build or whatever gets nerfed and they can't fuck over other players without some form of effort involved.

But that's still not worst than the worst kind of PvP focused players: the ones that complain about PvE being too hard or too prevalent or too important in a PvE focused game.
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>>153112142
this ... is ... a PvP focused game but fucktards went neutral
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>>153112142
Waiting warmly until pvp dies till only Crimson faglords are the only ones remaining
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Where is the 240 entrance? I know it's in Inner Enceite but I can't find it
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>>153112267
It's gvg and pve focused, tbl is just a minigame they added because people were begging for "equivalent" pvp.
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>>153112142
PvE is as broken as PvP.
It's the exact same situation with snowfalke/broken/hacked builds vs mobs instead of vs players.
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Can you bodkin arrow ausrine shield?
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>>153112489
No, it only removes reflect shield and subzero shield.
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>>153112267
>PvP focused game
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>>153112571
Shieeeeeeeet
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>>153112458
Lmao the game was always about TBL + Open world GvG

Then they added neutrality and instanced GvG because people complained too much about getting killed.
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>>153112459
>wanwan.moe = Ohayou
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>>153112676
Confirmed
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>>153107763
>You have to pay $200
the verification is already bypassed though. how are you cucks so slow.
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>>153112451
blue : warp statue
yellow: zemyna statue
red : 217 dg
green: 240 dg
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>>153112676
neutrality should cost talt
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>>153112897
Thank you based anon
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>>153112676
The game isn't focued on anything. Can't you see they just throw things in randomly without any idea what they are trying to achieve.
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>>153111291
>random clerics
>can't cast a single self buff because they're just spamming their shitty buffs that don't benefit the party
god i hate getting priest/pala in random parties
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>>153112982
That's true, but I'm just correcting what he said about
>tbl is just a minigame they added because people were begging for "equivalent" pvp
TBL was planned since day 1. Or day 0. Only newfags don't know this.
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>>153112267
it's a pretty bad pvp focused game if that's what they were going for, possibly the worse i've played.
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>>153113310
It's a pretty bad PvE game too.
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>>153113401
it's just a pretty bad game, why is imc so fucking awful.
the only redeeming features are controller play and anime, but they've quickly become not enough.
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How's Bandit? Is it better than Isbality for worldbossing fletcher?
>>
190 or 130 for solo boss rush?
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>>153114061
>boss rush
>after silver drop dungeon buff
uhmmm
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Whats a realistic DPS build for Wizards seeing the r8 content

Elememe still okay or is Linker3 warlock a better option

DT still shits out damage, although it is melee
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>>153114152
>imblying I can solo it thrice in an acceptable time
I just want my daily dose of talt, I feel a bit tired.

I would never consider soloing the 190 dungeon anyway, fuck that place.
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>>153114293
they're all shit now
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>>153114293

Frost cloud still seems relevant with transcendence and chap meme
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>>153114293
at current linker3warlock is better, this will not necessarily continue.
elememe isn't dropping off that hard really, but people have been king of aoe for a while now and don't want to drop it to other classes.
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>>153113716
The sad thing is that it's an awful game but an artistic masterpiece. The OST, the environment, everything is god tier.

I want to go back to the ICBT1 days.
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>>153114746
Yeah thats what I think too, its still 32 fucking hits and with transcend memes this is gonna be alot of damage either way

>>153114756
Do you think SR3 will be stronger in AOE department than wiz3ele3lock2?

It's the only other class I can imagine being good for AOE
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>>153114293
linker will be weak after fix too.
they all suck, ele maybe the least bad dmg wiz
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Someone get us a webm of kToS's current PVP ladders.
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>>153115305
You do know kToS players don't PvP?

It's not just that they suck ass at PvP, they just don't do it. Any kToS is not relevant in anything concerning PvP.
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>>153115305
>>153115438
This.

There is rarely games to spectate. Maybe one of some want to farm points.
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Why's it so hard to make money AND actually play the game? The only ways are trickles from AFK crafting/shops and AFK farming.
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>>153112267
This is a PVE only game. They removed world PVP entirely and made the new instanced, ghettoized PVP modes unplayable. Face the facts, PVP is not welcome here.
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>>153115659
active farming makes a lot of money if you're a high level. my fairly shitty pve character can pull 900k in ~2 hours if i try hard doing nothing but getting silver drops.
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>>153114937

SR3 can hit 16 monsters so yes
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>>153115867
>900k in 2 hours

You might as well do the same in fucking DP2

2 hours of grind is not little
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>>153116012
it's still more than i'd pull in passively in 72h
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>>153115807
>play a PvP game
>complain literally all day until they remove it
>see? this is a PvE game :^)
t-thanks
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>>153116269
Do not entertain the fedicucks. Anyone who has taken one look at R8 class skills knows IMC is pushing this game toward PVP.
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>>153116269
i have no idea why they listened to those whiny fucks, but the pvp in this is pretty bad (or rather the balance and optimization make it bad)
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>>153116340
shitty poorly designed pvp that was only made because people whined for it in the first place? can't have a good pvp game without it built from the ground up to begin with
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>Meanwhile in Orsha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAOAheiRpcQ
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>>153116526
>orsha is full of normies
who knew?
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>>153116526
boring and stupid
0/10
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>>153116526
Hey I was just in TBL with Soviet.

FUCKING NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>I'm not losing points for losses

Uh
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What does open world pvp offer over arena based pvp other than annoying people? Which isn't pvp and is something you can do anyway with oracles and cryos.
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>>153114937
anything -> mergen
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>>153117063
SR3 outclasses mergen by a lot.

Mergen isn't actually that good at all for sustained AoE because of their long CDs

They're burst AoE like Cannoneer and Musk, and even then their damage output is worse than Musk's
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>>153116526
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>>153117038
Arena pvp=people with specially designed characters for pvp engaging in a cheese fest

Open world pvp resulted in a lot more balanced fights with people simply fighting on their main characters or whoever they were farming with since not that many players have multiple 280s.
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>>153117038
Fighting over things.

Having guilds and parties fight for bosses or grinding spots is fucking fun and the most important part in most classic MMOs
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>>153118195
Open world pvp =people with specially designed characters for pvp engaging in killing low lvls and pve builds
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>>153118195
>>153118356
So you want to gank people who are trying to enjoy the game. Enjoy your arenas.
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>>153117038
I thought the most fun part about open world pvp was how spontaneous it was
>be grinding
>suddenly Atom fucking in
>getting camped by Atom
>suddenly Beethovn swoops in to save you
>full out war in Forest of Prayer goes on for an hour
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>>153118574
How is fighting over Bosses be ganking?

Are you fucking retarded? Did you never play Lineage 2? Jesus christ
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>>153118669
>implying anyone complaining about open world pvp is a veteran at all
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>farming silver to buy Tokens
>wasting silver on Tokens

>buying TP to buy Tokens

>white pig events give 20TP

hehe he hehehe
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>>153119039
grab a shield and plate stuff
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>>153119039
yeah that place is cancer and everything after it is aids
>>153119116
it doesnt help much when you get crit by spiral arrow
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>>153119278
>it doesnt help much when you get crit by spiral arrow
it does
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>>153119116
>plate
>not cloth
>not Aspersion
baka desu senpai

>>153119039
Want some help?
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>>153118669
>Did you never play Lineage 2?
Of course not. I only play cute MMORPGs for cute people such as myself. Or ones about spaceships/planes like Eve Online and Space Cowboy/Ace Online/Air Rivals, both of which are actual PVP games and not games to harass people who want to play in.
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>>153119039
Get to level 220.
Buy Superior royal armor and a level 220 shield.
Get Aspersion, possibly level 17.
You should take way less damage with those.
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>>153119371
How is L2 about harassing people
Stop talking about shit you don't understand retard. Well done OWPvP is nothing like that.
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>>153119039
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>>153119559
If I'm fighting something and you come kill me while I'm distracted, that is harassing. Go back to playing L2.
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>>153119116
>>153119408
>>153119590
Fine fine I'll update my armor. Cattly gave me a bunch of plate stuff for free early but I haven't equipped it because of cloth mastery, I'll go grab some levels of plate mastery instead I guess.

>>153119278
I remember questing through here with some friends on ktos and it felt more like a stealth area than anything. The areas after are tough but this one really stands out.

>>153119341
I'd love some but I'm headed to bed soon anyway. Maybe tomorrow?
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>>153119926
and cyberbullying is real
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>>153119926
Thanks to people like you the genre is dying
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>>153119926
>baww baww i dont make any friends that can back me up in a fight
kyss yourself my man
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>>153120049
Yeah the zones after this don't have shit like spiral arrow but its still a pain in the ass, luckily i have fade and safety zone, not sure how you deal with it though.
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>>153119093
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>>153120049
Aspersion alone really makes a difference. The real cancer areas are in the northern maps, where magic mobs run rampant. Fuck Kalejimas FUCK KALEJIMAS

And sure, It's vonHabsburg, just send me a message if you see me.
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>>153120257
The good games like Mabinogi and RO are still around. The rest of the genre is unneeded.
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>>153120342
im not that nigger. but if i want to grind at some spot and some fag kills me. i want to grind at that spot and not fight him and his buddys for 1-2 hours

>>153120257
k
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>>153120049
You don't need amazing gear or anything. A simple plate set, a white shield of your level (this is probably the most important part, and probably worth the 10k or whatever investment unless you already have a shield you're using like beetleback/aias/sagewall) and high level aspersion make that area very manageable. Try to pay attention to the level of aspersion the priest is selling as it can be a pretty significant difference.
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>>153120357
I have a lot of crowd control with Cryo3link1 which is why I've gone with cloth up till now. Soon I'll have a bunch more summons to keep the heat off me too.

>>153120423
Sure, I'll let you know when I get on tomorrow.
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>>153120457
>The good games like Mabinogi and RO are still around.
tell that to /mabigen/
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>>153120539
Change spot
Brind friends
Make a party
Get good

But no, better go bitch in the forums until they change the game for me and then go tell others to go look for another game

Nice hypocrisy
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>>153120651
>>153120049
>cloth mastery
>plate mastery
just max plate for hp. the other are crap
(unless you want full eva build with leather for archer or swords)
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>>153120793
>Change spot
i did change the channel. they came to that channel too and killed me
>Brind friends
no. i want to grind. not fight ppl
>Make a party
no. i want to grind. not fight ppl
>Get good
no. i want to grind. not fight ppl

>But no, better go bitch in the forums until they change the game for me and then go tell others to go look for another game
i didnt do that
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>Be Fapper
>Equip Sapper Costume then Call Bird
>Bird flies over to where you used Call and will not move with you, when you use a bird skill it will take a long time to activate since it has to fly to where you currently are.
>Equip Falconer Costume then Call Bird
>Bird flies to where you are and follows you around the map

This bird is racist and sapperphobe!
#SapperLivesMatter, #AltRightClick, #MakeArchersGreatAgain, #FeelTheBerd
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>>153120719
There's a /mabigen/? I thought Yotsuba killed it
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>>153121110
There was a /mabigen/, they dont exist anymore. I miss Yotsuba
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>>153120719
Tell what? Mabi is around. Mabigen isn't because people could not stop shitposting about everything all the time. Same with this thread really.

>/mabigen/
>Posting your character is attention whoring
>Talking about playing the game is blogging
>Having a not-palest skinned character is trolling
/vg/ was a mistake.
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>>153120987
Sounds like you just want a singleplayer game
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>>153121321
>post nothing but nigger at a nonwhite character
>entire thread gets collectively triggered for the rest of the day
lmao I remember that
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>>153120539
>get killed
>before i can type a word rance, beethoven and simony have all asked if i want help
get a guild you shitter
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>>153121321
last i checked most people in my guild stopped playing because slow content and burnout. The shitposting was cancer though
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>>153121531
no. i dont want that.

stop forcing pvp on me. that's kinda rape.
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>>153121220
I do too diggler killed it
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>>153121680
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>>153121760
no. i dont want to pvp ppl when i grind.
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>>153121857
then play a different game!
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>>153122079
no.

stop forcing stuff on me.

go pvp ppl who want to pvp. cant be that hard.
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>>153121680
>stop forcing pvp on me. that's kinda rape.
Remember where you are. This is what they want.
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>>153122127
Nobody is forcing anything on you anymore because the retards like you are too fucking stupid to go to another game instead of crying to the devs that they get killed in a videogame.
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>>153122192
>instead of crying to the devs that they get killed in a videogame.
again i didnt do that.

>Nobody is forcing anything on you
ppl did

> you are too fucking stupid to go to another game
stop forcing stuff on me

>>153122189
hehe
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>>153121680
>>153122276
>>153122127

holy shit
Is tumblr raiding us
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>>153122339
>tumblr
im not from there
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>>153120987
You can't argue with PvPers. In most games, there isn't even a system in place to make sure that if they make the mistake of trying to fuck with you, they're permanently screwed out of something meaningful. You just have to hope they get bored, anything else just entertains them.

>fight back
They have fun.
>fight back and win
They have fun.
>give up
They have fun because they know they won.
>call your guild/friends
They have fun because they know they pissed you off.

They're basically the trash of online games. I'd rather have hackers, goldsellers and BRs fucking games over than have PvPers shitting up games by whining up to the devs to cater to them and then proceed to leave once they've had their fun.
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>>153122428
The only way someone would think this nonsense is if they never actually played a game with PK
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>>153122428
Ew
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i want fedimian players to leave
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>>153122428
very true. i didnt do anything except changing channels. i didnt even wrote one word. not gonna give them any fun for being fucking faggots.
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>>153122428
kek what a fucking carebear piece of shit
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>>153122428
Are you actually getting triggered because people are having fun

I don't understand this post
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PvP is where the real players are at. Create some PvP channels and let the sissy fuccbois ERP in their PvE channels.
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>>153122803
sounds good to me.

t. sissy fuccboi ERP
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>>153122545
Why aren't you playing games with PK though? what made you bored of them? Why aren't you playing L2 or Eve or any number of other games with PVP?
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I think they should make GvG the main focus of the game. People who like ToS don't want the WoW style endgame but people still need goals to work toward.

Have a big guild castle. Have other guilds siege that castle. PvE gets you shit for the castle, talt, silver, recipes for defenses, etc. Then you PvP to actually defend it. Gives goals to both types of players and creates a focus on guild group play and making friends in said guild, which a game like this needs to survive.

ToS just fucking needs some design focus. IMC needs to actually decide what they want the game to be and build around that. The reason so many people quit isn't just because of the massive grind and glitchy/terrible game, it's because the massive grind is all for nothing. You got to rank 12, great job! Now make a new character and do it again because there's nothing to do at this stage. Fucking dumb.
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>>153122803
>PvP channel
People have been suggesting this since before the game opened and they did nothing, which is understandable because the game had guild war anyway

But now they removed that too because of crybabies
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>>153122674
Aren't carebears the ones that shoot people with lasers for having opinions different from them or doing things they don't like?
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>>153122745
if you like <something> why dont you do <something> with ppl who also like <something> but instead force ppl who dont like <something> to do <something> with you?

it is basically rape

there are many other ppl who like <something>, right? because <something> is great, right?
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>>153123056
Nobody is forcing anyone to anything, it's already removed, you fucking retard.
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>>153123147
ppl did force me and ppl posting here want to do that again
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>>153123056
>it is basically rape
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>>153122863
Good. Everyone will be happier this way. Get on it, Kim. I know you browse this general since you don't actually do your job.
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>people fell for dvine shitposting again
kek
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>>153123192
>ppl did force
And? Nobody is forcing you anymore.
>and ppl posting here want to do that again
So what? Close the thread if you don't like it, tumblr
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>>153123312
>Close the thread if you don't like it
no. stop telling me what to do.
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>>153123372
No. Who is going to stop me?
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>>153122894
If they want to add something to do, they should add fishing and things like that.

PVP, they should just have you make PVP characters and then all those characters can PVP all they want. Or do whatever, I don't care if they implement a goddess vs demon faction system or make open PVP zones or whatever, just don't tie it to guilds. That is so dumb. And this is the whole problem. Doing the most basic act of socialization give you the option for someone to force you into doing something you don't feel like, which in turn makes you not want to socialize, which in turn destroys the social aspect of the game.

Even if the game was open PVP (remember this is muh neo RO and RO had limited pvp) being in a guild would be beneficial because people would be protecting you from PVP, not forcing you into it. It's so backwards.
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>>153123458
Bad example. RO was 100% PVP-focused for all but the first 2 years.
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>>153123458
It is as simple as adding a PK system which gives you massive debuffs and disadvantages for killing innocent people.

Games did it 20 years ago, why can't they do it now?
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>>153123507
>RO was 100% PVP-focused for all but the time it was good
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Neutrality should cost talt per week to upkeep. There I fixed your dead game.
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>>153123805
you should be able to pay talt to disable someone else's neutrality

dead game fixed
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>>153123805
>Neutrality should cost TP per week to upkeep. There I fixed your dead game.
>>153123906
>you should be able to pay TP to disable someone else's neutrality

ftfy

hehehe
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>>153123702
Because it didn't work to stop griefers. People want it to be like in MMO anime where you have these guilds of heros defending newbs against PKers, but in reality, they're all a bunch of antisocial nerds who want to bully people online because they got bullied in real life.

>>153123805
That and towers should stay up as long as you feed them talt and only go down when they run out or are destroyed.

.
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>>153124092
>Because it didn't work to stop griefers.
Except it did, what are you talking about
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>>153123557
dvine fuck off
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>>153123458
I'm not saying make it PvP focused, I'm saying give both avenues a way to come together for one big goal.
See fishing or whatever doesn't make sense for ToS. Why do we have dudes who can summon skeletons and turn into werewolves if all they're doing is fishing? If you want fishing to be a major focus of the game make some kind of Harvest Moon MMO. We have a base game, we have leveling and classes and combat and all that. Now what are the player's goals with the system we have in place? That's what IMC needs to ask. Personally I think PvP in ToS is hilariously bad and anyone who thinks it's even semi-decent is just lying to themselves while they clutch the dry, withered corpse of a shitty game. PvE really should be the focus with the systems in place and something to do with farming and non-instanced gameplay seems to work best. ToS's combat isn't really great with interesting boss encounters. It's okay at big waves of mobs or a few tanky hard hitting mobs.

I say guilds because this is trying to be a social, oldschool MMO. We aren't kids anymore, the magic is gone until you force it back. People aren't going to chat while waiting for Mushmom for 6 hours anymore, they aren't going to meet their 13 year old internet girlfriend that's TOTALLY REAL YOU GUYS, they aren't going to send pictures of their 12 year old dick to Mark for gold and realize they have him on facebook over 10 years later and could ruin his life by just telling someone but don't. They just won't play the game.

I just fucking want shit to do. I like the art, I like the classes, I hate the game.
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>>153124178
i am not that person and i will not fuck off.
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>>153124228
fuck off retard
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>>153124092
Confirmed for having never played
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>>153124337
>>153124176
What does this game have that the pvp games you liked don't? Why aren't you playing them?
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>>153124407
They are old and outdated. This game was perfect for me when it had open world guild battles, now I just log in for TBL and log off instantly and the rest of the time I play other games.
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>>153124649
Sadly I'm in the exact same state just with guild missions as well as TBL. They really need to remove neutrality or make a downside to it, such as inability to do guild missions while neutral.
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>>153124407
You can't deflect the fact that you've just admitted to being full of shit
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I'm a little sad we aren't doing the meet up. I wonder what you all look like. How you handle the real world.
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>>153124181
Everyone acknowledges this issue: The game's system and combat are top-tier, but it's all ruined on the fact that none of the content is good or enjoyable, the FPS is abysmal, the netcode makes everything desync and slingshot, and there's no focus on any of the content at all.
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>>153124802
>tfw we will never have a meetup ingame and end up with a massive battlefield against some random guild anymore
thanks carebears
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>>153124802
>handle the real world
>currentYear
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>>153124802
I've been looking for an excuse to post a picture of myself. I'm pretty handsome. A meetup would allow for maximum attention whoring.
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>>153124906
People laughed at me when I said that Neutrality killed the game. It was the one little thing that made the game actually interesting. The one little thing that added spice to it all. But nah, people can't deal with adversitity. Give me my single-player experience, please!! Oh, I don't even want to compete for monster spawns with people, make it all instanced, too. Who cares about all those inspired artists who made amazing maps and excellent background music, I just want to questhub through this area as fast as possible and get to "endgame".
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>>153125215
The worst thing is that people on the forum actually unironically believe that the game is dead for other reasons and all the actual dedicated players and guilds leaving is just an illusion or something.
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>>153125215
nobody laughed you cuck, everybody knows this
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what do you guys think would be the most optimal pvp oriented rogue c3 build?
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>>153118620

Open world GvG was the most fun we had as a guild for Comfy.

>do research
>find out which guild is pinoy
>confirm the guild is pinoy
>wardec
>destroy tower
>spend a week playing hide and seek with them
>trade information with other guilds to find out where the enemy tower is
>form alliances with other guilds who hate them too
>getting ganked while farming
>fend them off
>guild member getting ganked
>tell him to git gud and we all laughed it off
>smack talking
>fought a pinoy guild for so long that when another guild wardec-ed us they backed us up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE

Now we just participate in GBL twice a week on weekend, daily hampster run at night and occasionally do WB (as opposed to all the time because >8 hours)

It's not bad, but wasn't as fun before neutrality was a thing.
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>>153125486
Archer 2 -> Hunter 2 -> Rogue 3
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>>153125486
>rogue 3
May as well grab hakkapelle while you're at it
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How do I build a monk, senpai?
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For going Musk, is A3/QS3 a meme? Because Scout with Buttstroke, probably with Backstab as well sounds pretty fun.
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So the poor optimization in this game, is it just the international version, or does it get this choppy in the Korean/whatever version as well?
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>>153125674
ring of repick
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how am i supposed to use kneeling shot without zoomy?
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>>153125674
ask threejane
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anyone know how to mount a penguin? This fucking retard is eating through my character select.
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>>153125757
If you had to pick between the two, Scout is more useful so go with that
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>>153125757
There are two decent musket builds
One of them is a pvp build the other one takes falconer for pve
PvP doesn't care much about A3
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Is the forum dead? I can't open any section.
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WHERE ARE YOU SAPHYRUS
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>>153125560
that actually sounds like an effective build
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>>153125486
>>153125560
You have to look at the list of skills that can be used while Burrowed. It's mostly just Archer stuff, though a few scout and ranger skills also work. You cannot command the pet from Burrow.
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>>153125757
A3:
Multi Shot 15 which is good with AOE equips
Kneeling Shot 10 which you don't use except for certain WBs
Quick Step 15 which isn't necessary
Twin Arrows which you won't use as a QS3

Scout1:
Cloaking for escape/move speed utility
Camouflage for emergency defenses
Flare Shot for small AOE

Falcon1:
requires character slot
does not improve bossing potential
Circling provides some AOE utility for party
Hanging Shot for some mobility and escape
Hawk attack skills not relevant

do not recommend QS-Rogue-Musket, Rogue Mergen or Rogue Hackapell are better if you want Backstabs
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>>153122545
I've played MMOs with open world PvP. Not a lot of them, but a handful. It never made the game better.

>>153122674
>carebear

There's few things I enjoy more in games than beating someone so thoroughly that their fragile little minds can only accept their defeat by calling me a hacker. But there's no fun in it if I don't win because I'm better. Winning because of gear or because of the class I picked on character select holds no satisfaction. Hence my disdain of open world PvP in theme park MMOs.

>>153122745
No, I'm expressing disdain towards the subset of players who find their kicks out of griefing others when they know they can't be penalized for it. If there was a purely skill based MMO where I could hunt someone down, win in a fight and the result would be me getting everything they have on their body and the other guy's character getting deleted, I'd play the ever living FUCK out of it. But I don't know of any games like that. Most of the ones I hear of getting close to that all have that gear and class/build thing going on which invalidates the skill portion of it.
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>>153126639
>when they know they can't be penalized for it.
Thanks for confirming you never actually played a PK game. Now fuck off.
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>>153127239
I guess I don't understand what a "PK" game is, then.
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>>153125215
>I just want to questhub through this area as fast as possible and get to "endgame"
That's because the actual gameplay/leveling part is the worst thing about this game.
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>>153127573
His pvp game was just so much more hardcore and real pvp than yours.

And if you played that same real pvp game, he'll say you are bad at it.

That's how they are..
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>>153127851
>His pvp game was just so much more hardcore and real pvp than yours.
Literally the opposite, how fucking illiterate are you?
PK games have karma, you can't just go killing with no penalty. Another retard talking out of his ass, what a good mmo general.
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>>153127792
Longass cooldowns on every fucking skill was a mistake.
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>>153127959
>Another retard talking out of his ass
yeah "another"
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>>153127851
>play l2
>kill anyone who doesn't fight back
>literally free to kill for anyone around at no penalty and likely drop your gear in a game entirely about your gear
>perfect world
>exactly the same
>tibia
>HAHAHAHAHA
Where are all these PVP games that don't have penalties for killing players who don't fight back? I've never fucking played them.
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It's like the third day in a row that PvE babies get BTFO
Did people finally realize that neutrality was a mistake or something?
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>>153127959
I cant even think of a game with a pk karma system, or any mechanic beyond safezones and level gap lockouts to prevent lowbie gibbing/corpse camping.
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>>153128409
>I cant even think of a game with a pk karma system
Holy shit
Im dying
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>>153128409

>>153128078

Why do you keep making it so painfully obvious you've played 3 or less MMORPGs?
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>>153128409
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>>153128409

Cabal Online had a nice PK system.

http://cabal.gamepedia.com/Player_kill

Literally SAO, though.
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>>153126639
>where I could hunt someone down, win in a fight and the result would be me getting everything they have on their body and the other guy's character getting deleted, I'd play the ever living FUCK out of it.
As always, the anti-PvP faggots are the worst griefers. They just complain about open world PvP because everyone has fun in it, and their goal is to ruin all the fun.
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>>153128060
This.
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>>153128216
no?

TOS is and stays PvE themepark with PvP minigames.

If someone if is BTFO, its the PvP guys
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>>153128679
Lmao enjoy your dead game
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>>153128679
>pvp players make up the vast majority of every server but fedimian
>trying to talk shit about them
youre lucky we keep your game alive at all
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>>153128409
Darkfall or something, 100% open world PvP, drop all your gear on death
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>>153124906
Good. That wasn't fun.
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>>153128060
playing a Krivis C3 is one of the most boring things ever

At least with Bokor Hexing is a 9 second CD
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>>153128904
That's a lie though, the entire thread was having a blast.
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>>153128956
Entire thread is full of fags, who knew
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>>153129039
>people who like pvp are fags
Are you the pve baby that just got blown the fuck out and is trying to shitpost now or something
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>>153128060
Longass cooldowns on quest items has to be intentional maliciousness.
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Hakkapelle looks like it has huge damage and true multi hits, so how come no one seems to care about it?
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>>153128718
I will and its not dead. (You) also play it. Thanks Buddy.
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>>153129160
damage sucks on it
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>>153129097
no im just saying you're fucking gay if you thought having a "meetup" where the only thing happening was people spamming skills causing everyone to drop to 2fps was fun
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>>153128718
Already doing that with my guild mates.
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If they removed neutrality, what would the pvpers do about people who formed parties to hunt world bosses without being in a guild and who were grinding in spots but also not in a guild? Just sit there and take it?
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>>153129283
What the fuck is wrong with you? Those were among the most fun events in the history of the game. Why are you putting meetup in quotes when it's a literal meetup? Are you an actual autist who gets confused and angry whenever other people are having a good time?
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So, just curious, did they fix the stuck when being in a party bug?
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>>153129398
The same thing they did before neutrality was added, obviously. What are you confused about? ToS PvP was always something players had to opt into.
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>>153129283
Everyone was having fun. Feel free to go to the archive and prove me wrong.
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>>153129490

>he plays alone without any friends or guildmates
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>>153129573
Im asking because me and my friends quit the day it happened.
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>>153129542
They guys up there are talking about open pvp like it has a point and changes the game, but it won't really do anything different. You can't fight over world bosses and grinding spots if no one is in a guild, and you still can't fight anyone but pvp guilds, just like now. Why even want neutrality removal except to harm people who want to be in a guild?
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>>153129465
Calm down sperglord

>waaa waaa people don't enjoy my shitty minigame better make myself look like an autist

>>153129549
I was not therefore you're already wrong.
The people who felt like posting in the thread at that time are not everyone, most people don't voice their opinion in tosg every waking moment.
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>>153129646

>his friends all ditched him at the first possible chance
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>>153129276
Even when you stack arrows on? But how is this possible? Are the numbers incorrect or something?
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Is there any place where I can grind EXP at lvl257 without mages in the map?

I can solo grind Storage but the magic mobs are retardedly annoying
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>>153129782
Upgrade magic protection gear.
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>>153129743
>me and my friends quit the day it happened.
>me and my
>me
Currently we are frequenting Overwatch, so can you please stop trying to bait me and give me a answer instead?
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>>153129737
>i-it's just that the people not having fun didn't post there...
Fucking kek is this your argument? Are you fucking serious?
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>>153129858
they fixed it
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>>153129549
Quit replying to bait
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>>153129782

Workshop's a bit of a stretch but you could try there.
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>>153129782
Isn't the next map over magic-free or something?

In Storage, the magic monsters only show up on the eastern hemisphere of the map. The other side only has Nuos and the weak archers. If there's nobody grinding storage, you can easily just not go to the right side, and channel change to compensate.
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>>153129904
Thanks buddy.
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>>153129881
Your mindset is absolutely silly and I hope one day you find it within yourself to grow up a little.
Absolutely EVERYBODY enjoyed being a part of that, you are right, my bad, even those not even part of the guild battles really appreciated those needless FPS drops and visual clutter. and you get to speak for all of them. Sounds reasonable.

Have a nice day.
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>>153129732
Do you not understand that we already had open world pvp before and your post reads like "What if we added 2+2 and got 5? Everyone acts like 4 is so good, but what would they do if they got 5?"
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>>153130064
Nice proof, bye mongoloid
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>>153129782
you can try thaumas trail

not really magic free but its easy to dodge it

the only place that is 100%physical is workshop, 2 maps after storage
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>>153129963

>next map after storage
>Solitary Cells
>Red Socket Mage central

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZmv7y_goLk

You're thinking of Workshop. That's after Solitary Cells.
>>
For the love of fucking God
Stop giving free (You) to Fedimian retards
They aren't even /tosg/ anymore.
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>>153128825
>>153128571
>>153128512
>>153128447

That was my first post in this discussion, for the record. I was talking about penalties for high level/geared players ganking the helpless. What exactly is being referred to when you say a pvp karma system?

If you meant penalties on -being- killed in pvp, there is obviously a whole fucking buffet of that, but im thinking the meaning of karma is being lost here.
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>>153129737
>calm down
>you're fucking gay
Don't throw a tantrum if you can't handle a taste of your own medicine.
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>>153130064
MAD
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>>153130064
Don't try to tell people to grow up while you're acting like a child.
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>>153130192
PK games have karma for the killer, not the killed. It's usually along the lines of not being able to use certain important NPCs in town and/or getting killed by guard NPCs in the towns and outskirts, but most importantly actually having the chance of dropping a part of your equipment when you die.

Literally nobody wants to be a PK unless they are actually legitimately bad people (which was really rare) and when it happened it was really strong people that actually served the role of villians and it was fun fighting them and defending the newbies

>inb4 this only happens in anime XDDD
No, only someone who didn't play those games would say something like that.
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>>153130090
Your post reads like complete nonsense, honestly,.
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>>153129762
Other anon is sort of memeing you

Hakka has great burst but lacks sustained DPS

Hakka and Mergen both have this problem tbqh, though Hakka is melee and mobile and Mergen is long ranged and has stupid animation locks. Both are pretty bad compared to Musk and Cannon C2
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>>153130560
You mean dishonestly. You don't want to accept you're wrong so you just go into denial.
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>>153130490
Being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong, so no, I'll continue to tell people to grow up when they act like complete autists while failing to transmit any useful information that would help in progressing an argument.
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>>153130094
>thaumas trail
This is perfect thanks
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>>153130542
Thats what I thought was being said. Im certain ive poked my head into something like that before, akin to the divisions rogue system, but no other names are coming to mind.
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>>153130962
Runescapes wilderness skulls are an example now that i think about it too.

Would tos even benefit from a system like that though?
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>>153131168
Why wouldn't any game benefit from a system like that? As long as it's properly implemented there's no downside to it.
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>>153130962
>>153131168
maybe http://flyff-wiki.webzen.com/wiki/PK

>shit game, dead game
ye whatever
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>>153130962
>>153131168
>>153131326
Just see Lineage 2 and Mu.
For a modern game there's Black Desert
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>>153131263
You cant think of a downside to implementing open world pvp?

Both of the examples i cited involve a specific pvp area with unique rewards for entering that, I can see this game benefitting from. But the arguement in this thread seems to be more in favour of forcing all guilds to participate in such a system rather than be locked to an incentivised zone, which is idiotic. Especially in a game without other options for in game communities like friendgroups, linkshells and even custom chat channels.
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who did this
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>>153131484
>Especially in a game without other options for in game communities like friendgroups, linkshells and even custom chat channels.
There is whisper groups.
They suck and should be improved a lot, but its there.
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I have no idea what the hell this thread has been talking about for the last 300 posts
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>>153131484
Except we already have a custom chat channel.
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>>153131680
Nice try fedibaby
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>>153131663
>>153131743

You cant be serious. Thats no acceptable replacement for guilds as community rallying points.

If you think the game is ded now, wait till guilds in general become as pvp monopolized as gvg.
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>>153132170
>>If you think the game is ded now, wait till guilds in general become as pvp monopolized as gvg.
Negro what?

I said its shit. Maybe you should go back to FF14 with your great linkshells
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>>153131680
PvP
Something someone playing on Fedimian never tried
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>>153129782
Fucking anime retard, mages are on right side only. Try using your ayyy head.
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>>153132402
Well, thanks to being a "retard" and asking, someone told me about an even better map for soloing so thanks god I'm a retard
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>>153132342
>back to 2.5s gcd babbyland

YOU CANT MAKE ME ILL NEVER GO BACK

But yeah this game need a lot of work until incentivised open world pvp can be a thing is basically what im saying.
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Do the different PvP modes require different builds? E.g. I'm guessing the more players there the less useful Scout 1 becomes.
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>>153132632
>2.5s gcd
at least its not 30 seconds like ToS :^)
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>>153132567
Are you talking back to me? I will crush you.
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>>153132632
>until incentivised open world pvp
but that will not happen in TOS.

we already had open world pvp and its gone. its gone.
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>>153132724
You can't, they removed the pvp xddd
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>>153132797

>>153132797

migrate
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>>153132724

I will crush ON you
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>>153132170
>rallying points
If you want rallying points, why are you against the one feature that really made them rallying points? World pvp gave guilds a reason to band together and use teamwork. In their current state, you can just treat the guild like a chat channel unless you're trying to get a hamster.

>wait till guilds in general become as pvp monopolized as gvg.
What are you even trying to say? Gvg is literally pvp. The game was much more lively when it had open world pvp.

>>153132632
It needs a lot of work before it's ready for any sort of release at all, but here we are.
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>>153128615
Oh man, I remember cabal. You can easily escape jail by dashing through the bars in a specific way.

I mean, only a few people know about it. So sometimes it was best to go to jail and get out with your PK penalties resetted than risk staying on RED and have your items dropped.
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