/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #407

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Keep yourselves in the love of God; wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And convince some, who doubt; save some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

>>152988182
>edition
;_;

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chloe

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Best girl

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzdSepr9xKA
>My powers might not last, Chloe
>That's okay. We will. Forever.
Bae > Bay

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Max is #1

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Victoria is queen.

Things were getting a little hectic towards the end of last thread, so a friendly reminder:
Ignore bait and trolls. Be comfy and have discussions.

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Chloe is #1

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Kate is #1

My Kate folder for anyone who wants it : http://orph.link/kate.rar

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Files: Over 900

All the girls are #1 at something

>>152989868
Except Victoria

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Pricefield is #1

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>>152990359
Chloe, we know you get upset over this sort of stuff, but that's uncalled for

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>>152990462
Marshfield is #1

>>152990462
Agreed 100%.
Nothing else even comes close.

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>>152989868
Max is #1 at being cute.

>>152990359

number 1 at being a bitch?

Bay>Bae

>>152992279
She's pretty cold at the start, but she has the potential to get better as the game goes on.

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We met in a strange period of my life

I think the ending would be better if they were both equally inconclusive.
I picked Bae (And would every time), but just think out how people would have reacted if the Bay ending gave no closure as well. You hear the gunshot and game ends.
Then at least nobody can claim one ending was "right because it was longer" and everyone has the same wishes that they got to see more.
Or they could have not been dicks and fleshed out both endings equally or possibly wrote endings that made sense

>>152993275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njmkPRFvJx0

>>152993702
There is simply no way to write an ending that 'makes sense' in a time travel story because time travel itself fundamentally doesn't make sense
At best you could go for a trippy ending (like HG Wells' The Time Machine) or a happily ever after ending (what bae could have been)

>>152994149
A piece of science fiction should work on its own established set rules though. Even if it doesn't 'make sense' in reality, you can definitely write a time travel story that is logical and satisfying.
If your time travel is capable of altering the future, you should decide whether it's creating multiple parallel timelines, or just overwriting the current one. You should decide the constraints of the power.
If you're adding in a butterfly effect scenario, where an initial change produces a significant consequence later in the story (ie Chloe surviving the bathroom scene -> the tornado), that consequence should damn well make sense. If you're using that to force your character into a miserable corner, it should be clear that there are no other options, and /why/ there are no other options.

>>152994149
For the story to make sense it would just have to be consistent. Which it was not.
Changing a few details makes the story all line up.
>Make Max's first use of the power to save Chloe
>Do not make the first use of the power also move Max (Something it never does again, but that's the most logical point where the storm is created) make it a regular rewind where Max realizes she just reversed time and can save the girl in trouble.
>This also makes it so she only has the one butterfly photo and not a copy she retook.
>In the alt timeline, get rid of all the weird weather and nature stuff. Suggesting that a timeline where Max does not have powers isn't facing some kind of disaster.
It makes it obvious where the ending is headed, but it's at least honest and not fooling the player into believing one set of rules and then saying "nah, it actually works this way".
That said, I would still choose to save Chloe.

As is, because of how things were shown, Max cannot be blamed for the storm or even confirmed to being tied to it.

>>152994149
And what prevents a writer from creating a plausible ending to a time travel story besides the limits of her or his own imagination?

>>152995202
>Do not make the first use of the power also move Max (Something it never does again
This bothered me most in relation to the 'prove your powers to Chloe' section
Chloe has you go through a convoluted set of trials, including the downright pointless shooting exercise (time travel wouldn't help her aim when her hand is constantly slightly moving), when you could simply 'teleport' right in front of her eyes or teleport through a locked door (like you do with the principal's office) to prove yourself.
The only psuedo-justification I can think of is that moving around during a rewind slightly changes your past leading up to that moment, such that an outside observer saw you dash over to the new location or just forgets you were in a different place at all.

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>We will never see these two ever again

why even live...

Anyone who complains about how time travel is explained and dealt with in LiS needs to watch any Steven Moffat episode of Doctor Who and then you'll understand how much worse it could have been.

I actually like DW but that's for another general

>>152995790
The fact that we have no evidence of how time travel operates on any level whatsoever. Can you shoot your grandfather? We have no idea.
At best an author is making blind conjectures, like a deaf man describing music.

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>>152996195
Max should've waited a year. Maybe the real ep5 will come out in October 2015?

>>152995984
I didn't look that much into it. Chloe believed Max by the time they left the diner. The shooting stuff was just Chloe having a limited supply of bullets to play with and wanting to maximize them. There really wasn't any testing purpose there (And Chloe, as much as Max and I love you; fuck that finding bottles stuff).
And I do wish Max used her power like that at least once to get the jump on someone or avoid detection. Same for her trying to rewind/photojump with Chloe.

>>152995984
>downright pointless shooting exercise
Chloe wanted to practice with the gun. She tells Max she only knows how to use it from watching youtube videos. She also sees it as training for Max's new powers. Even if she's reckless, she has her reasons for things.

I think Max's space-hopping doesn't usually register with observers, else a lot of the game falls apart. Chloe only recognizes it because she's focused on what Max is doing, and knows about the power, and on the occasions where she picks up on it Max does it purposefully to impress her.
I don't think the 'guess what's in your pockets' thing was that convoluted. Plus it was a bit of an homage to the similar diner/power show off scene in Groundhog Day.

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How could anyone ever bully her?

>>152996334
There are various proposed solutions to the paradox, none can truly be tested so for the time being they remain nonscientific claims (despite what clickbait articles might claim)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
Here's another

>>152996791
>Plus it was a bit of an homage to the similar diner/power show off scene in Groundhog Day.
Yeah, this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VF5P7qLaEQ
A lot of the slightly weird choices dontnod made are just because they wanted to shoehorn in a reference to something else.

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>>152996884
It's unfortunate that some bullies don't know how to properly express their love.

>>152996884
She's an easy target due to her faith and the circumstances of being drugged at the Vortex Club party.

She comes off as a hypocrite to everyone who didn't know the full details.

>>152996884
People who are not secure with their own beliefs and feel like someone not joining in their hedonism is automatically belittling/challenging them. Victoria, Taylor, and others say that Kate deserved it for not following what she preached. Even though she wasn't preaching about her beliefs being better than anyone else's.

>>152997234
I admit that initially I did think she was just being hypocritical, but that went away as soon as I heard her story about having only one drink and the stuff about the "hospital".
Then when you put that together with Chloe's story about Nathan drugging her, it becomes clear something happened to Kate.
That also made me think something was going on with Warren when he was acting weird after supposedly only one drink at the party in Ep 4. But that never went anywhere.

>>152996916
Depends on what you define by "makes sense".
If you want peer review, well, you're not gonna get that, but basing a story on hypotheses is at least better than reaching for the first cliched trope of pop science fiction.

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>you are now aware that between the time Rachel distanced herself from Chloe, eventually disappeared, and Max came back into her life, Chloe probably spent many cold nights getting high and going to strip clubs because she was lonely and needed companionship if only for the night

>>152998416
Isn't Arcadia Bay kind of a small town to have any strip clubs?

>>152998416
Fuck off, All Wounds guy.

>>152998553
She can go out of town anon.

>>152998553
In that scene, Chloe was talking about Portland.

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>>152996884
I want to sexually bully her and tell her I'll protect her.

>>152998416
No. She probably spent them looking for Rachel, putting up posters, contemplating calling/ visiting Max, or just going for drives to get away and find a calm area.

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>>152999187

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The important thing is that neither Chloe nor Max will have to spend another night alone, longing, confused, or scared.
Those five years are over and have been made up for. Now all there is a future of healing and thriving together.

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>>152999517
I like to think that road trip to Portland eventually happened.

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>>152999187
Stop

>>152999187
REWIND THIS

>>152999187
Jefferson spotted

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bless this thread

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>>153000327
>bee
>honey

Is this an extension of the weird Chloe/Honey Russian memes?

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>>152998416
Yep, searching for her missing crush and longing for an old friend, loyalty and trust and closeness, she went to strip clubs.

...Do you feel lonely and long for companionship sometimes? And do you go to strip clubs because of it?

Can people stop projecting their ridiculous jerk-off phantasies onto this game and its characters already. What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.

That said, we know that she did go to a bar at least once, likely more; probably to drink and forget about everything. She met Nathan in one after all. Maybe she even searched for human "connection" in one way or another, if only after a few drinks. But she already did have a "wilder" phase at 15/16, so she knows stuff like that doesn't give her anything. Knows she wants meaningful relationships with people. I mean, she harbored a crush on Rachel for years, that shows how romantically fragile she really is once feelings are involved, and how careful. Same can be seen with Max.

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>>153000529
its old forced meme about all girls. But Chloe has more progress.

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I want to hug Max.

>>153000804
You're crazy if you don't think Chloe ever visited a strip club. I'm sure she's done way seedier things than that considering she does drugs and hangs out with people like Frank. Besides, she's the one who brought up going to a strip club and she sounded fairly serious about the possibility.

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>>153001070
She brought that up jokingly. You know, like she brings up ruling the world jokingly and stuff. Precisely because they are ridiculous.

I'm not saying she could never visit a strip club. I'm saying the idea that she went there regularly to hook up with people when she was searching for the girl who she thought she was in love with (and hurting with the idea that all her relationships with people meant nothing), is ridiculous.

And I did mention her wilder phase. She's already over it, as she says herself and as is entirely consistent with her character, emotionally "right".

Frank was an ok enough guy. Smoking weed does not mean it is likely you regularly jumble it up with strip club chics or do "way seedier things" either.

There's so much that could be thought and written about with these characters - you could write a whole emotionally compelling story about what Chloe did in those 6 months. Or she just procrastinated them away - not so hard at all. Why go to "strip clubs" with it?

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>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb

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>>153000928
Chloe wants to kiss Max.

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SFM anon here. Made a new render.

>>153000804
>Can people stop projecting their ridiculous jerk-off phantasies onto this game and its characters already. What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.
/v/ and underageb&, not exactly a mystery

>>153002000
Lol. stop it

>>152999187
We know that feel, anon.

At least I do. Don't worry.

>>153001981
>She brought that up jokingly. You know, like she brings up ruling the world jokingly and stuff.
Yeah, sure. The only reason she was joking about it is because she knows Max would never go for it, but she would do it in a heartbeat.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Chloe tends to "joke" about stuff that she actually wants to do lot. Like getting Max to kiss her, Max making a move on her, etc. And what's so wrong with going to a strip club anyway? Is that really worse than drinking, doing drugs and living in squalor like she does? Has this thread really turned into some kind of prudish Kate hivemind? I was just joking around, and I wasn't even implying what you're trying to say. I specifically said "in between Rachel distancing herself from Chloe and disappearing" because I knew some white knight like you would probably appear, afraid that someone is painting angelic Chloe in a less-than-positive light.

Face it, Chloe is the definition of an edgy person. She has probably done a lot of things that might make her unlikable if taken at face value... but that's what makes her so great. She's broken, totally imperfect with habits that would probably drive every one of us (and yes, even Max) crazy. But somehow she has enough redeeming qualities to make them not only tolerable, but make us love her for them.

>>153002314
>What is it with people that need to make everything about about sex, even a story about young, emotionally troubled characters like these.

>young
>beautiful
>autistic

It's hard to resist not thinking that way about them

>>153002285
Max has her own style!
I like the red flannel but sometimes the Michel in me makes me think it's Chloe dressing her gf to look like Rachel.

nice pic though, grass and sky make a comfy mood

>>153003104
It really isn't

>>153002285
Good job, I always like seeing new cute renders and stuff. Keep up the good work.

>>153002285
Saved.

Any story behind this one? Rachel Amber costume says this was part of their post car-meltdown making-up, Chloe apologizing and bringing her somewhere nice.

>>153002314
f2p Episiode 1 is Michel's latest master trick.

>>153003073
>but she would do it in a heartbeat
Yeah, sure.

>painting angelic Chloe in a less-than-positive light
I meantioned her wilder phase. Do you read at all?

I wasn't even talking about Chloe so much as your non-canonically supported phantasies that you project onto the game because you are 16. Wait, "joking around"? Maybe 14, then.

You were implying she went to strip clubs many times and hooked up with people. I wasn't talking about "worse", I am talking about your phantasies being phantasies and wondering why you have them. An untidy room, a beer and joint, do not mean you fuck around. That is entirely inconsistent with her character. She is not an edgy punk slut, how character-blind can you be.

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Max is beautiful

>>153003178
Thanks anon.

>>153003247
Thank you. I should up my rendering game.

>>153003538
>Any story behind this one?

I wanted to get Chloe's truck behind them so it would look like they are walking onto the woods after a road trip, but there is no SFM model from the game to work with.

Also, thanks.

>>153003538
Where exactly did I imply that she hooked up with anyone? Who is having "phantasies" (whatever that means) now? Not everyone who goes to a strip club and gets a lap dance ends up fucking the chick at the end of the night.

Excuse me for making conversation. I guess you'd rather I post "Kate is #1" or "Best girl" memes over and over for the 407th time.

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>>153003924
Chloe thinks so too.

>>153000804
I think it's perfectly plausible that Chloe might go to stripclubs after Rachel vanished. I don't think that's projecting "jerk-off phantasies" onto her, and I really think it'd be a pretty human reaction for someone like Chloe, who's naturally a ruler breaker, isn't that good at dealing with loss, etc.

>>153004754
And don't forget that this is the same girl who suddenly was furious at Rachel when she found out she hooked up with Frank. With the abandonment issues she has, I have no doubt that she probably had anger towards Rachel at first, thinking that she may have just abandoned her like everyone else she has ever cared about. And that wouldn't even be her fault, I think in her situation that would be a fairly natural reaction to have even if it were misguided.

It's also the same Chloe that thought for some reason it would be a good idea to try to extort money from Nathan. She isn't exactly a vision of morality.

>>153004484
You are excused for "making conversation" about something as ridiculous as that instead of about something actually interesting, thought-provoking, characterally and narratively authentic.

You said she went there for companionship, "if only for the night". It doesn't matter whether they actually ended up fucking. You have this phantasy (imagination in your mind) that Chloe went out to see and seek the companionship of half-naked and naked women in a place specifically made for sexual-typical interactions. And you said it is even likely she did way seedier things, too.

You explicitly made it about sex for no reason whatsoever, tried to justify it with the ridiculius notion that drinking, smoking weed, having an untidy room or hanging around guys like Frank (who she says herself she never had sex with - "gross, dude!") makes her someone that would casually go around to strip clubs and seedier things. When we see that Chloe is actually shy and careful when it comes to romance. She couldn't look at Max undress herself without blushing and averting her gaze, but she regularly went for ass-in-your-face lap dances?

She is portrayed as someone that is not edgy, but troubled and seeking for true connection, for comfort and loyalty, meaningful relationships and comfort. She is not a hard-ass drinking butch lesbian. She is incredibly fragile and vulnerable. Even her wilder phase likely just being a desperate search for closeness, which she evidently quickly dropped for obvious reasons. Again, harboring a crush for years on Rachel, being incredibly bashful in her romantic interest in Max.

>>153005362
>You have this phantasy (imagination in your mind) that Chloe went out to see and seek the companionship of half-naked and naked women in a place specifically made for sexual-typical interactions.
Oh boy, you are projecting really hard here right now.

http://pyx-1.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=22
Password is wowsers

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>>153005893

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>>153006072

>>153004754
(>>153005523)
So, you think you are in love with someone. (Yet too emotionally vulnerable to actively act upon it.) And this someone made you realize that you don't want platonic relationship, to whatever degree her "boy toy phase among other things" was that (unlikely she even had sex with all of them; at 15/16 make-out sessions are often the peak sexual experiences).

Now this someone goes missing and you are desperately searching for them. ...But you go to stripclubs and seek the platonically sexual companionship of other people? That is perfectly plausible?

I'm not saying Chloe is "pure". And I might be projecting my own inclinations onto her too much myself, but it is 1. glaringly obvious to me that Chloe would have not done that and 2. perplexing to me that you would go there with your thoughts, or at least that you'd bring it up here - "jokingly" or otherwise. And simply ridiculous that you'd argue she is the definition of an edgy person and would be going to strip clubs regularly and do seedier stuff.

That's the real tumblr phantasy if anything. This hardcore, tongue-between-fingers, don't-give-a-fuck lesbian gigolo; tats and 'tude.

Well, I think her "edgier" side is emotionally very well-established and understandable, and stuff like strip clubs and "way seedier things" emotionally not fitting for her.

I might be wrong in my vehemence on that point, but I think I'm definitely right that there's better things to think and talk about, that would be more interesting and give more worthwhile insight into her character. ...And certainly better things to joke around about.

>>153005362
I don't know if this is a meme or something, but since you've done it multiple times, I feel like I should point out the word is 'fantasy'/'fantasies'. There isn't a 'ph'

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>>153006279

>>153006753
Someone ought to SFM the Bioshock Infinite ending but with Jefferson and the girls

>>153006869
You mean Jefferson getting drowned?

>>153006924
Yes, that part. The pic reminded me of it
Though I guess it would be closer if it was various Chloes or Maxes from different timelines

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butch pls

>>153002285
Good job! I have to agree with >>153003178 though, the red flannel specifically makes me think of Rachel. And while it was one thing to just wear her clothes because she was missing, it's kind of another to do so once you know the truth.
I'm fine with Max wearing any other color flannel (If she wants to) but red should stay for Rachel.

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>>153005182
She is emotionally troubled and pretty reckless (and stupid) in her coping and resulting behaviour because she really is still a child. That often-mentioned growth chart on her wall - it's discontinued to symbolically show that Chloe stopped growing in certain regards. She has her inner child at center - vulnerable and hurt, longing for trust and healing and closeness and carelessness - and she protects this child with her harder "edgier" outter shell that people often mistakenly make out to be her actual personality. When it is merely a persona - one that she drops around Max so obviously that you'd have to be blind to think she's this hardcore punk chic. Even Rachel was more distraction and childish dreams for her, her own F-antasies about a future where it could be alright, where she could actually become this persona. But she also realized with Rachel that she wants to have a better life. According to herself realized that she doesn't want to recklessly fuck around (literally and figuratively). And with Max, it all ultimately comes through: she doesn't want to blow Arcadia up or simply run away, she confronts the things she's afraid of and grows, heals. She realizes that Rachel was not her "angel", her idea about running away futile; naive and childish. With Max she overcomes that, sees who she is, what is important to her. "In My Mind" capturing this narrative theme.

Anyway, between all that, I don't see this "Many a night spend in Strip-Clubs"-Chloe. I'm not making her out to be angel; shabby concerts, sloppy kisses, even sex? Narrative intention seems to be that she had some of that. And strip clubs are not this impossibly seedy thing. It just doesn't seem reasonable to me in the context of her character and her life at that point, especially since she already went through wilder phases and already realized she doesn't want that at all.

>>153006337
>That's the real tumblr phantasy if anything. This hardcore, tongue-between-fingers, don't-give-a-fuck lesbian gigolo; tats and 'tude.
Dude, when did I say Chloe was a lesbian? When did I even say she was going to a strip club to get with women?

And again, how many times do I have to say I specifically noted that this was BEFORE Rachel went missing and when she was pissed that she was getting with Frank/Mr. Jefferson/Whoever else was her flavor of the week. Not that it even matters, because it was tongue-in-cheek and meant to sound sad, if anything. I can't believe this is even a discussion.

You are taking this way too seriously. If your plan was to make me genuinely regret making that comment your mission is complete. I didn't intend on setting off someone on an autistic tirade over it, that's for sure. Maybe trolling is my real calling in life.

Has Chloe ever been outside of Arcadia Bay and the surrounding area (Excluding the trip to Paris in the alt timeline)? I thought the talk about Portland was just something she figured her and Max would enjoy, just as how her dream to go to SF with Rachel was just that- a dream.
She's a girl from a very small town and she tried to act like she was bigger. Talking about her hatred for her home, longing for something more populated and famous. But by the end of the week she realized her home was not a place, it was a person. Max realized the same too.

>just finished watching Stranger Things

Kate I want a hug so badly right now, also Sun please rise up.

Being scared after Stranger Things > being suicidal after Life Is Strange

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>>153009635
This picture implies to me that she ran away and lived in punk houses for a while or something

>>153009834
ST made the classic mistake of showing the monster too early imo. By about halfway through I was more afraid of the government conspiracy than the monster

>>153009635
I vaguely remember posters/flyers for some city gigs being in her room, and Max commenting that she and Rachel must have gone to them.
Forget the cities though

>>153010114
I don't watch horrors at all, I freaked out when lights in my kitchen turned off (they turn off automatically but I forgot)

>>153009553
>Dude, when did I say Chloe was a lesbian?
It's not about that lesbian part. It's about this idea that Chloe is sexually that out-going and offensive. It doesn't fit, don't you see that? If anything, if you were implying she was regularly out looking for dick you'd have me even more triggered - not least because you'd be ignoring canon even more.

>BEFORE Rachel went missing
That's even more ridiculous a suggestion? You are implying she went to strip clubs while she was around Rachel and crushing on her? This "flavour of the week" thing with Rachel is another character mis-reading too. And just as a clarification: Chloe did not know about Frank. Let alone Jefferson.

Maybe she was fed up with Rachel not reciprocating or with herself for not being able to engage more directly. Maybe even trying to make her jealous? But that's still all hard headcanon territory that I don't know why you'd even think about, and still not all too consistent with what the game goes out of its way to point out to us: Chloe has no friends, stopped her (emotionally desperate) escapades when Rachel came into her life, fell in love with Rachel, is romantically (and by extension sexually) rather sensitive.

>You are taking this way too seriously. [...] Maybe trolling is my real calling in life.
Well, you did make conversation. Do you want people to make your attempts to make conversation here to not be taken seriously? Are you now trying to shame me about being passionate about this game and its characters?

Saying Chloe had no friends and was entirely lost/desperate before Rachel is pushing it.
She was friends with Justin, Trevor, and the other skaters at Blackwell. As well as Frank although I'm not sure how they originally met.
But she did go through her "boy" phase and then stopped it after meeting Rachel and realizing she had actual feelings for her. After that Chloe really stopped any promiscuity and hoped that Rachel would eventually return her feelings so they could have a real relationship. Which Rachel obviously did not want, even though she cared deeply about Chloe as a friend.
After Rachel disappeared would hardly be any time for Chloe to revert back that kind of lifestyle she had prior; she was deeply concerned and her biggest priority was finding Rachel. She wasn't going "I'll show her" and then going to clubs.

Those six months were probably the most miserable Chloe had been since her father's death/Max's departure. It made her stop thinking about her actions and take risks, which originally results in her death until Max saves her.

>>153012023
Frank is her dealer. Justin doesn't even remember her name at the start of the week. She wasn't exactly surrounded by close supportive friends, that's the whole point.

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>be Chloe Price
>consistently disappoint your mother and stepfather by rebelling against any and every kind of authority to the point that when Joyce sees Max for the first time in years, all she can think is how much she wishes Chloe was more like her
>Get kicked out of Blackwell because you disrupt class, make inappropriate comments, never do any homework and vandalize the property
>no job, no future, just sit around in your room drinking beer and smoking weed all day
>never clean your room, literally dozens of empty bottles, cans, and piles of old dirty dishes laying strewn about the room
>smelly old laundry just sitting in a bag rotting
>eat food at your mom's workplace every day and never pay for it
>somehow you put together enough cash to buy a truck
>it takes a shit
>instead of actually getting a job just go to your drug dealer for a loan
>know you can't pay it back so you try to extort money from some rich mentally ill shithead
>somehow miraculously get saved by your old bff Max when shit goes south quick
>thank her by shitting on her when she takes a call from her suicidal friend all because she doesn't want to face her mother telling her to clean up her act
>steal your stepfather's gun
>"men shouldn't be allowed to use guns"
>proceed to take Max to the junkyard so you can shoot things for shits and giggles
>shoot yourself on accident due to the patriarchy sabotaging the weapon
>"MAX, REWIND PLS"
>go on a hunt to find your lost unrequited lover with Max
>find out she was dating guys secretly because she was afraid of how you would react
>in all honesty you probably would have been a dick about it for no reason because muh daddy issues
>blame everyone else for your problems
>blame your own mom for your dad's death when she had nothing to do with it
>guilt trip your friend Max so badly that she literally alters the fabric of space and fucking time to try and undo the chain of events that lead you to becoming such a miserable failure of a fuck

>>153012626
Justin not remembering her name was probably to keep the identity of the blue-haired girl a secret to Max before they properly reunited in the parking lot.

>>153010583
>>153009553
*Do you want your attempts to make conversation here to not be taken seriously?

And what did you intend, then? I'm open to conversation if you don't pretend you are "joking" or "trolling" after the ridiculousness of some of the arguments you are making is pointed out. You did paint a picture of Chloe that I think is a stark mis-interpretation - of course you were going to get a few more or less in-depth, "autistic" rants for that. I won't sit here after more than a year and pretend I don't care when somebody seriously argues points I think are bullshit (like: Chloe is the definition of an edgy person, obviously she would go around strip clubs regularly and do way seedier stuff too).

>>153012023
Yeah, and I meant "no friends" as in, there's nobody close to her. And she was not made out to be socially at all active anymore. As you say, she was centered in on Rachel; if anything after her disapperance more so than before. So strip club just doesn't work out with that.

>>153012779
>like 20 lines of greentext
>making no actual point

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>>153012779
Yes, my fellow enlightened friend! You've truly showed that (((Chloe))) is just a degenerate who shouldn't be saved!
Now go back where you belong

>>153012886
Justin may not have known Chloe when she was blue hair. Or maybe it just didn't click with him that it was Chloe at that time.

>>153012779
(you)

now fuck off

>>153010583
>>153012023
Chloe was absolutely promiscuous. There is no question about this. When you go into her room and check her wallet for whatever reason (I forget) a bunch of condoms fall out.

Then, her first reaction to finding out Max can rewind time is that she can have sex with anyone she wants and not have to live with the repercussions.

There is nothing wrong with this. At least she was being safe about it, unlike Dana.

>>153012779
Wow. I wish I could rewind time so I could retrieve the amount I just wasted reading that garbage as well as typing out this reply.
Please return to YouTube comments or the Grahamfield portion of Tumblr.

>>153012886
>>153012886
Justin was just so 420blazeit he couldn't remember her name. "Too cool for me" was an appropriate alternative though.

>>153013578
She was doing that stuff before she met Rachel, or at least stopped it once she realized she loved Rachel.
She freely admits she had a phase of being with guys, but ended long before Rachel vanished.

>>153013578
She has one condom in her wallet, like many people actually do carry. Sometimes for years. It's not undebatable proof of anything.

I'm not saying she's a virgin. But she herself says her sexually more implicitly promiscuous phases were "stupid" and are canonically years back. There is not a single sexual partner ever shown in the game, and that in a small town. We don't have a any one piece of evidence that she was in bed with people often, we have clear implication that she stopped doing so if she ever did at latest when Rachel came around, we can understand her character to see she is not looking for or even sexually casual enough for that to be a reasonable assumption. So there's definitely questions there. One could argue she is a virgin and you'd have nothing undebatably in the story you could use to say against that.

>>153013695
I actually like Chloe and hate Grahamfield.

She redeemed herself completely by the end of the game and proved that deep down, she is a good person who simply lost her way somewhere along the line.

Max didn't just save her life, she gave her a chance at redemption. And Chloe knew/knows that.

>>153013578
>There is nothing wrong with this. At least she was being safe about it, unlike Dana.
>Dana
Bitch gets wet over a guy knowing how to put on a condom.

She's lucky she didn't run into Chloe though. Price would just throw all those rubbers she keeps in her wallet down Dana's cleavage like the insert coin slot at an arcade (no need for them now she's got Max), probably spontaneously give the minx an orgasm.

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>>153014057
"Years back"

She's 19 years old, how many years can you go back?

I guess I can meet you half way, there were only two in her pocket. Either way, you don't keep condoms on you unless you intend to use them, especially if you're a chick. I'm not saying she was like the biggest whore in Arcadia Bay or anything, but she definitely hooked up fairly regularly. Probably before Rachel, yeah. She seemed to develop a major case of oneitis over her.

>>153014270
That's actually even more sad than if it was just a random hookup, honestly.

>>153000804
Just to add to what I already said (>>153004754), I think Chloe going to strip clubs might have been her futilely trying to fill a void, or kind of like when people start exhibiting self-destructive behavior after something terrible happens. She probably fell into a deep depression and tried to do something crazy just to try to feel something again.

>>153006337
>Now this someone goes missing and you are desperately searching for them. ...But you go to stripclubs and seek the platonically sexual companionship of other people? That is perfectly plausible?
Rachel was missing for half a year. Chloe can't have been "desperately looking for her" all that time. At some point, she'll have moved on from the "freaking out" phase to the "depression" phase. When she met Max in episode 1, she was still putting up missing posters, but she wasn't actively looking for Rachel, wasn't freaking out, had accepted that Rachel probably wasn't going to just show up, and generally exhibited symptoms of depression.

>>153013578
Though I think 'phantasy'anon is indeed taking things too seriously, his argument has a point. Chloe felt supremely betrayed when she found out Rachel was seeing other men, even despite the fact that their relationship seemingly wasn't official.
It seems incredibly OOC for her to have gone and had a bunch of hook-ups or acted promiscuous while at the same time frantically putting up posters for her lost lover, when clearly she was so passionate regarding 'cheating'

>>153014558
>kind of like when people start exhibiting self-destructive behavior
And this describes Chloe to a T.

>>153014603
>It seems incredibly OOC for her to have gone and had a bunch of hook-ups or acted promiscuous while at the same time frantically putting up posters for her lost lover
I am the guy who made that original post and I literally never suggested this. This was all I said:

>you are now aware that between the time Rachel distanced herself from Chloe, eventually disappeared, and Max came back into her life, Chloe probably spent many cold nights getting high and going to strip clubs because she was lonely and needed companionship if only for the night

Somehow he managed to twist and elaborate on things until that meant, apparently, that Chloe was fucking a bunch of chicks every other night to spite Rachel. In reality, I was suggesting that she probably was getting drunk, going to a club, talking to one of the girls there and then blacking out to forget the pain. Rinse and repeat.

I mean, that's probably what I would have done.

>>153010583
>It's about this idea that Chloe is sexually that out-going and offensive.
From Rachel's letter to Chloe, I got the feeling that Rachel was fully aware that Chloe had a crush on her, i.e. she was open about her sexuality. All of the innuendos she made to Max also gave me that impression. Really though, it's the very line about strip clubs that gives me the impression that Chloe is pretty sexually outgoing.
>"I'll take you on a roadtrip to Portland for the day! We'll stock up on tats, beer, weed, donuts!"
>"And books from Powell's!"
>"And strip clubs! Kidding... but, you never know."
Like, come on dude. The way she says that line at the very least tells me that she wants to go to a strip, and that she's probably been to one already and just doesn't want to be so blunt about it with Max.

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>>153015036
Alright, thanks for the clear-up. I think one of the biggest problems with arguing on 4chan is that people quickly lose sight of the statement that actually started the argument and debate some completely different version of it

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Chloe's a wonderful girl that had a rough time her life, and has since recovered from it, and everyone should stop hounding on her.

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>>153012779
>implying you would have turned out any better if your dad died and your best friend abandoned you

>>153014170
She is someone who lost her father and a friend (and pet) at young age, whose family situation grew increasingly troublesome with David entering the house, that was introduced to drugs and got in with questionable people. And she still had positivity and kindness, and love to give to Max.

She didn't guilt-trip Max to do what she did. That's ridiculously inaccurate/inflammatory. Nightmare Max material.

Blaming someone so young with a life story of hers only goes so far. Especially when the story we see is precisely about exploring those emotional complexes, being able to empathize with her, see her caring and loving sides, how she realizes, heals and grows.

>>153014540
>but she definitely hooked up fairly regularly
Again, no canonical proof for this whatsoever. "Boy toy" does not strictly mean sex. And we can go back at least two years (when she was at Blackweel, with Rachel) and then some. And again, even then I don't think the idea was that she loved fucking around casually. More emotionally appreciable in the context of her characterization is that she wanted to rebell, piss David off and seeked closeness to people.

>>153014558
>She probably fell into a deep depression and tried to do something crazy just to try to feel something again.
A more interesting idea, but still not understandable to me. Especially not the "many times" thing. I could just as well say any other "crazy thing" she could have done in those 6 months and would be sayingly equally as little about her character. And that anon obviously went on to argue way more ridiculous things, to which my more "serious" replies apply.

>wasn't freaking out, had accepted that Rachel probably wasn't going to just show up
Maybe to a degree subconsciously? But I don't see that she would have been "over" Rachel enough to seek casual "companionship" with strippers or whatever.

>Then, her first reaction to finding out Max can rewind time is that she can have sex with anyone she wants and not have to live with the repercussions.
To be fair, this would be the second or third thing I'd consider doing if I were Max, and I'm the opposite of a promiscuous person.

I think Chloe is kind of promiscuous, but not super promiscuous. She's clearly done sex stuff, but there's really no reason to believe she was having sex left and right.

>>153015236
Although I feel that Chloe is probably bisexual and not a lesbian, much like everything else in her life, you know she went way above and beyond to be in-your-face about the fact that she was into girls. She has posters of girls with big boobs all over her walls for crying out loud. I'm sure she'd do the strip club stuff just to prove to everyone how hardcore she is about it.

>>153015485
I agree with Max. Leave Chloe alone.

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>>153015312
>there are some people in this thread RIGHT NOW that chose to not kiss this perfect punk nugget of cuteness
>RIGHT NOW

>>153014603
>>153015036
Read your own posts. I "twisted" it? You were saying she had been doing that and way seedier shit, and even that she went to strip clubs while Rachel was around. Stop lying. Your idea very much was that Chloe was "sexually" active with other people to one degree or another - I did not say you strictly meant fucking (which you later actually went on to imply though). You were being ridiculous and factually wrong in some of your points, and brought the whole "strip club" thing up to begin with, only to then backpaddle into "I'm only trolling!".

>>153015236
She said Max was "hardcore" after the dare peck. She is visibly caugh off-guard both there and in the pool. She is not sexually out-going and offensive. I mean, she points out herself how she uses humor and sarcasm to deal with things that are uncomfortable to her. I think it is obvious that she is jokingly playing this persona around Max, which she was probably able keep up around other people more (being sexually more offensive), but that I can't see she actually pursued and lived.

If you want to see her as sexually out-going and open, so be it. It doesn't fit with the Chloe I saw in the game.

This: >>153015765 was meant to be a reply to this: >>153013578

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>>153015485
Chloe is a good person deep down. She is just very rough around the edges and needs someone like Max, so she can let down her walls and show the world how special she is.

I want to convice chloe that I really like her, use that trust to get what I want, wreck that tight ass and much much more, film it just for me, publish video of it online, then never call her again.
It's all she deserves.

>>153015765
>I think Chloe is kind of promiscuous, but not super promiscuous.
I would say that is fair.

>>153016036
>Your idea very much was that Chloe was "sexually" active with other people to one degree or another
She was, though.

And I wasn't insinuating that she was doing anything terrible by "seedier", I was simply stating that she has clearly been involved in some sketchy things, and that going to a strip club is mild compared to drug addiction and extortion among other things.

I'd love to hear your explanation as to why she had condoms in her pocket if she is as virginal as you imply.

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>>153015996
Keeps me up at night
That and the knowledge that some people want to see Kate suffer

>>153015826
I'm tempted to agree with your assessment of her as bisexual. Her comments about Jefferson being hot, and her comment about having had a "boy toy phase" imply that she's physically attracted to men. However, the passionate, emotional way she seems to have been in love with Rachel and is in love with Max make me think she's probably more gay than straight.

>>153016036
>She is visibly caugh off-guard both there and in the pool. She is not sexually out-going and offensive.
She was just surprised that Max, a quiet, introverted person, did something that unexpected and daring.
>I think it is obvious that she is jokingly playing this persona around Max, which she was probably able keep up around other people more (being sexually more offensive), but that I can't see she actually pursued and lived.
I largely agree with this, actually. Chloe's a damaged person who's built up a hardened, badass persona to cover her internal wounds. Still, I don't think the sexual aspect of her personality is entirely artificial. She's probably moderately sexual and just amps it up a bit as part of the mask she puts on, and I do think she's clearly at least 70% gay.

>>153016551
>implying Chloe would ever even consider pity-fucking you, Warren
oiamlaffin

>>153016697
Yeah, I don't know why people are trying to pin her down as "not being promiscuous at all" or being "totally super promiscuous". Like, can't she be sort of normal in this respect?

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>>153016551
I wonder who is behind this post.

>>153016551
I want to be Max and I want to wake up to Chloe holding me tight in her arms.

>>153016701
Some people just want to watch beautiful cinnamon rolls burn, anon.

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>>153016551
>>153016825
>S-so Max and Chloe are together and sent me pic related. M-maybe I can be the third.

>>153016701
But it's just so fun to bully her.

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>>153016724
I would agree with that she is more emotionally attracted to girls. I'm sure she hasn't or hadn't figured things out entirely yet, but I can imagine Chloe settling down with a girl. I can't imagine Chloe going steady with a guy... at all. Unless it was purely physical.

>>153016036
>She said Max was "hardcore" after the dare peck.
It seemed to be she felt there was no chance in hell that Max would take up that dare, even if she hoped to the high heavens that she would. It caught her off guard because she didn't even prepare for the possibility that she would call her bluff.
>her face when

>>153017295
>but I can imagine Chloe settling down with a girl.
Uh, duh, she's going to settle down with Max.
I've heard stories from a lot of bisexual people who are physically attracted to both sexes, but are much more emotionally attracted to only one. I think that's Chloe.

>>153016697
>She was, though.
Again, we have no information whatsoever about what she did in the time after Rachel left, and if anything herself implying while Rachel was around there was only her. There is not a single shred of data in the game suggesting even only 1 single sexual partner in her life, and I could even go full-ridiculous and say there's nothing to say she is not a virgin.

You brought strip clubs out of nowhere and then went on to defend the notion that this would be expected behaviour for Chloe.

>And I wasn't insinuating that she was doing anything terrible by "seedier"
Oh, so everything's alright then. If you are not saying strip clubs aren't a big deal or characterally consistent (because she's done seedier stuff), then I have nothing to argue about. Because then you are agreeing that it was not "sexually seedier" - i. e. nothing promiscuous, for instance. Not even the strip club inherently sexual for her, as you argue now. Perfectly fine with me, even if I would then still wonder why you'd use strip clubs if it was not explicitly about the sexual, but yeah.

>>153016724
>She's probably moderately sexual
Yeah, she has boob posters and stuff. Maybe she even enjoyed her "boy toy" thing, however far that actually we went. I argued in the past she wouldn't have brought back boys if there wasn't anything she enjoyed there, sexually and otherwise. Which also supports the idea that she is not full-blown lesbian, - definitely strongly, and at this point in her life probably completely, leaning towards female, but still able to appreciate male attractiveness and sexuality. In the end, of course we have to seperate romance and sex, and I tend to convolute the two more so than many others and Chloe herself probably, but it's still obvious to me that she was interested in meaningful relationships, not out to satisfy her libido.

>>153017295
What is the /lisg/ consensus on Max's sexuality? It seems fairly unarguable that Chloe is a bisexual who is mainly attracted to women, but with Max there are various ambiguous comments and optional decisions that appear to swing her between 'mostly attracted to men but sometimes women' and 'mostly attracted to women but sometimes men'. Or, hell, something else altogether. I've seen some people claim she's asexual.

>>153016838
because they are socially retarded /pol/ who believe grills can only be virginal (fucking teases who won't give them any) or whores (who still won't give them any).

Poor Chloe has to suffer this coarse classification, when all she wanted to do was go to a strip show with the woman she loves and casually objectify grills with big tits together (though Max would definitely not allow anything so low rent; she'd make Chloe splurge on a tasteful burlesque show instead of settling for a common strip tease).

>>153017295
She is constantly throughout the story incredibly careful and sensitive in her (albeit obvious to us) romantical (and sexual) interest in Max. It is possible as I argued there that the more sexually out-going type was part of her persona, something that she kept up and maybe even lived out to a degree, but something that is not part of her actual personality - that she wouldn't have actively pursued at any point, especially not while Rachel was in her life or missing (and above all now obviously never again because she has Max >>153017561).

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>>153017561
>Uh, duh, she's going to settle down with Max.
Of course.

>>153017576
>here is not a single shred of data in the game suggesting even only 1 single sexual partner in her life
So she just carries around condoms for no reason? I actually feel it was heavily implied that she has experience in that field.

>if I would then still wonder why you'd use strip clubs if it was not explicitly about the sexual, but yeah
Uh, because Chloe mentioned showing Max what a strip club was like, implying she had been to one at least once? Maybe?

>>153017647
/pol/'s denizens are 12 year olds who can't process the world in terms that aren't black and white.

>>153017647
>>153018060
>implying there aren't /pol/acks who just want a devout christian girlfriend

>>153017990
>So she just carries around condoms for no reason?
People carry around condoms before having sex, generally. The condoms are not themselves proof that she was sexually promiscuous or out-going. I'm not saying she never had sex. I am arguing against the notion that she would be sexually out-going enough that spending many nights in strip clubs is perfectly ok to her, even with Rachel around or missing.

And she also wanted to show her Big Sur and make a thrasher out of her, so why not say "Chloe probably spend many nights driving out to places while Rachel was missing, contemplating, or let herself loose at some rager gigs"? Why did you say she uses strip clubs if it was not specifically about the sexual, and the idea that Chloe would be an overly sexual person?

Let me ask my initial question again: Do you feel alone and in need of companionship sometimes? Do you go to strip clubs at all?

No? So why should Chloe be expected do it "many times"? That only makes sense if she is particularly sexually out-going, a notion which you went on to defend ridiculously (she drinks and smokes weed, obviously she wants various naked girls to lapdance her - that's nothing!).

>>153017582
I can see the asexual viewpoint. Max doesn't seem to be very boy crazy and has a photo of Jack Kerouac in her locker that she is all "kiss kiss" about. I would assume this was an ode to the ultra-introverted type who obsess over long-dead celebrity figures online and tend to lean towards being mostly asexual in the real world, either because they are too socially awkward to get it (not actually asexual) or just plain do not want it (probably more like Max)

She clearly is somewhat into boys (talking about "cute skater boys" every now and then) but I doubt it is something she dwells on for very long. If anything, I think maybe Max is only now figuring things out... prior to the game's events, it probably was something shoved to the back of the queue while she obsessed over photography, art, books, and whatever other nerdy things she was into.

I could TOTALLY see her being that person where all of their friends are trying to hook them up with someone, talking about cute guys, always asking "Isn't he cute? Wouldn't you totally date him?!" and she's kinda just like..."I don't know, I don't really think about it", then shrugs it off and moves back on to reading her book or studying her photographs.

>>153018441
>wanting a girlfriend who believes in nonsense
>being obsessed with some bizarre unreachable standard of purity
/pol/acks are nuts. I like Kate a lot and I feel really bad for her, but give me Max over her any day.

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>>153018643
>being obsessed with some bizarre unreachable standard of purity
There is nothing wrong with this

>>153017582
I agree with >>153018610 that she's closer to being asexual than not. As far as I remember, she never actually expresses any attraction toward Jefferson (or any male, for that matter). We only ever see her being attracted to Chloe, and that almost seems like more of an emotional attraction than a physical one (but then again, I've always interpreted girls as typically being more into the emotional side of relationships than the physical side, so maybe Max is par for the course).
Her "I wanted to kiss her again" comment in her journal also tends slightly more toward the being physically attracted to Chloe side of things than the emotionally attracted side.

>>153018983
You will never find love, then. Accept that people are never perfect and that women are people and therefore just as imperfect as men. You will never find anyone as perfect as the girl in your mind that you've built up Kate to be.
Also rewind this image

>>153017735
I'm sure she experimented before, but I'd bet that Rachel was the turning point for Chloe. Then, Max stormed (no pun intended) back into her life and added a whole new layer of complexity to the fray. And while she was no stranger to hooking up or using her "boy toys" as she put it, actually romancing someone was still something she was not entirely comfortable with yet, at least not enough to peruse with confidence. Especially after how badly things ended up with Rachel, it would be exceedingly difficult to truly bare your soul to someone when you have such a deeply seeded fear that they would only leave you alone someday, like everyone else she had ever cared about.

>>153000928
So does Warren

>>153018515
>Why did you say she uses strip clubs if it was not specifically about the sexual, and the idea that Chloe would be an overly sexual person?
Because she fucking asked Max to go to a strip club with her? How much clearer do I need to be?

>Let me ask my initial question again: Do you feel alone and in need of companionship sometimes? Do you go to strip clubs at all?
No. I also don't smoke weed, drink booze, vandalize schools, or generally spend my days trying to prove how hardcore I am...

>>153019393
Yeah, well fuck Warren. I hope the tornado fucking killed him.

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>>153019018
>As far as I remember, she never actually expresses any attraction toward Jefferson
Funnily enough, I took a screencap of one of her journal entries specifically regarding that. I know the early journal entries directly contradict later facts; this one reads like its slightly out of character compared to how she is in the end.

>>153019568
Yep. I strongly interpret what she said to Max about strip clubs to be a genuine desire to go to one, not her "pretending to be sexual" or putting on a persona or whatever. She was being coy and playful with Max, but the, "kidding... but you never know" bit makes me think she meant it.

>No. I also don't smoke weed, drink booze, vandalize schools, or generally spend my days trying to prove how hardcore I am...
This exactly, >>153018515. Chloe's a rule breaker. She has a natural inclination toward doing crazy shit. We're weirdos who have created 407 threads of discussion and waifuing about a single 20 hour game. Why would any of us be as cool or hardcore as Chloe?

>>153019735
Ah, fair enough, I guess I'll mentally label her as bisexual in mind then.
It does seem like there was a lot of variance in the direction of the story between the five episodes. I almost think they should have waited to release anything until episode 5 was done so they could have worked out the little inconsistencies.

>>153019297
Yeah, again, not trying to paint her as a pure or angelic. She is sexually experienced, definitely more so than Max. There's just nothing at all (and if anything, the opposite) in the game suggesting she was sexually particularly outoing, especially not with and after Rachel.

I did also mention that sex and romance are generally more seperated than I assume subjectively in the argument I'm making, but then I also argue that her sexually more active "phases" (whatever that entailed - in my experience at 15/16 make-out sessions are more likely to be the majority of the sexual experiences that you make, so while I'm not saying she is a virgin, the idea she'd jumped into bed with various people is not reasonable to me) - that those "phases" were not about the sex, but precisely about the romance; she tried to find meaningful relationships and at that age thought this would be the way to do it. She quickly, and at latest with Rachel, realized that those connections are not what she longs for. I. e. she is not particularly sexual - she seeks feelings, not sex. The boy toy thing was more the former than the latter. So strip clubs just don't fit.

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>>153020146
>We're weirdos who have created 407 threads of discussion and waifuing about a single 20 hour game. Why would any of us be as cool or hardcore as Chloe?

>>153019568
Not only did she ask jokingly (literally says "I'm kidding." - do you genuinely think Chloe would want to take Max to a strip club?), but that doesn't explain why ~you~ brought it up as something she had likely been doing "many times". The only reason to assume she does that would be the very notion you defended throughout all of this: that Chloe is particularly sexually out-going. There's tons of ways to cope, if you go straight to assuming "strip clubs", don't then go on to pretend there's nothing inherently "sexual" about that.

>>153019568
>trying to prove how hardcore I am...
So you are saying she didn't actually like strip clubs or want to frequent them, but did because she wanted to come off as hardcore? You said she went there for companionships. Strip clubs, companionships, for one night? You pretty clearly implied she's there because she wants to be and would expected to be. Again, weed, booze and troubled youth do not necessitate strip clubs or generally sexual promiscuity.

>>153020146
>She has a natural inclination toward doing crazy shit.
She's not that hardcore girls she fronts to be at all. That's precisely what I am arguing against. But very well, you can go on thinking she is. I see her very differently. I do not see her spending many nights in strip clubs. Not as a socially active, hardcore, uber-cool, charming and sexually out-going type. I see that she tried and failed to be (harboring a crush for years), I see that she never really wanted that - the surface just symptom of a very different inner, but that's just me.

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>>153019018
I think she probably had a bit of a schoolgirl crush on Mr. Jefferson, and I can't really blame her. He clearly is an attractive man, well off, experienced, successful, a certain darkness to him. If he wasn't some crazy psycho, there would be no reason not to crush on him.

>>153019018
>the "I wanted to kiss her again" comment in her journal also tends slightly more toward the being physically attracted to Chloe side of things than the emotionally attracted side.
I think living through the events of the alternate timeline was a "wowsers" moment for Max. Watching Chloe slowly die again made her realize just how much she truly loved her, and seeing how subdued and plain that alt-timeline Chloe was made her appreciate current Chloe all the more. She might be more gritty, rough, damaged, and they might not have as much in common as the Chloe she grew up with did, but dammit, she's hers. And she wouldn't want her any other way.

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>>153020674
Every Max post it cute tho

>>153020146
Dude, you know she meant it. Anyone who doesn't think Chloe would get a kick out of taking Max to a strip club is crazy. That is totally up Chloe's alley.

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>>153020846
But this one especially

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>>153021048
>that adorably dorky dancing
Well, none of us have to argue about whether or not Max had ever had sex. She clearly hasn't.

>>153021012
Yeah, Chloe that is jealous of some "beatch" calling Max getting her attention for a minute or two would love bringing Max some place where other people try to get her attention in sexually provoking ways.

Would you take your girlfriend to see male strippers? What is wrong with you? Chloe is not lewd. She was joking, if she actually went and took Max to a strip club (which would definitely have to be happening against Max's will at that), it would be for the fun of it, not because Chloe genuinely enjoys strip clubs and had gone there many times.

>>153021048
Will there never be a looped, webm version of this? How can the cutest thing in the whole universe be confined to a 265x216 pixel gif?

>>153021242
Nathan calls her out as such
I wonder if AU!Max was also a virgin

>>153021375
Amen

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>>153021330
*not that lewd

Or your boyfriend to female strippers, gay boyfriend to make strippers, lesbian girlfriend to female strippers, etc. - for that matter. That idea is ridiculous to me, honestly.

Maybe I am overly serious about this and my feelings concerning these things not in-line with the average person that is usually sexually more casual. But the main notion I was arguing against is that of Chloe being "right at home in strip clubs, sexually promiscuous, especially sexually out-going because she is edgy and totally into even seedier stuff".

>>153020674
Well, it filled a thread with text, so there's that. Have a Chloe for your Max.

>>153021562
>Nathan was genuinely sorry about all he did and even apologized to Max for the way he was
This actually hit me harder than it should have

>>153021330
>Chloe is not lewd.
What is wrong with you? Chloe is consistently a bit lewd throughout the entire game. The constant inuendos, the condom in her wallet, the "boy toy" line, the stripper line, etc etc.
>Would you take your girlfriend to see male strippers?
That's a weird analogy. If I were bisexual girl, had a bisexual girlfriend, and I was fairly sexually outgoing kind of a badass daredevil and confident in my sexuality (i.e. Chloe) and knew my girlfriend's reaction to going to a strip club would be funny, I would absolutely take her to a strip club. It wasn't a joke. She literally says it. The line is:
>Kidding... but you never know.
She's literally saying, "Haha, I'm totally joking, but not really".

>>153020772
>do you genuinely think Chloe would want to take Max to a strip club
No, but only because she knows Max would want nothing of it. If she showed so much as an inkling of interest for it though, I have no doubt that she would do it in a heartbeat. That is SO Chloe.

>>153020772
>So you are saying she didn't actually like strip clubs or want to frequent them, but did because she wanted to come off as hardcore?
I'm saying she might have gone to them when she was drunk, depressed, and lonely because she felt like Rachel would never love her the way she loved her, and wanted to drown her pain in alcohol and boobs because she clearly makes such wonderful decisions when dealing with her deeply seeded abandonment issues while high.

>>153003924
That's one of the best drawings of Max I've ever seen

>>153021562
AU Max probably ate out Victoria within a week of them meeting.

>>153022106
They probably met and about five minutes later they ran into a bathroom and Max shoved Victoria up against a wall and started making out with her and shoved her hand down her pants

>>153021330
>Yeah, Chloe that is jealous of some "beatch" calling Max getting her attention for a minute or two would love bringing Max some place where other people try to get her attention in sexually provoking ways.
While I see where you are coming from here, that wasn't the main reason Chloe got upset over the phone call. She got upset because it gave her mom a chance to bitch at her about something.

She is definitely the jealous type, but I think she also knows that going to a strip club is like the anti-Max and that it would never happen. And if it did, as you said, it would be for fun, not because Max wanted to see a bunch of naked women. If anything, I think Chloe knows Max isn't a lesbian but kind of wants her to be, as she hinted at when they discussed how boys are trouble "and totally fucking gross" as Chloe says. Maybe showing Max the light might tip things in her favor.

>>153021757
"not that lewd" is what I had wanted to say.

>That's a weird analogy.
Not really. Your " If I were bisexual girl, had a bisexual girlfriend, and I was fairly sexually outgoing kind of a badass daredevil and confident in my sexuality (i.e. Chloe) and knew my girlfriend's reaction to going to a strip club would be funny" assumptions are weird.

First, how does one's sexuality play into whether you are comfortable with getting your partner into explicitly "sexual" interactions with other people?

Second, I am arguing that she is not particularly sexually out-going at all. And the average person does not take their partner into a strip club. They really don't. So you'd have to assume she is overly sexually outgoing.

Thirdly, funny reaction? Yeah, then it would be taking her there as a joke - to take the piss. Then her "strip club" line would actually be made in that same sentiment. I don't think Max would enjoy a strip club, Chloe would not like making her uncomfortable for fun and would also not herself enjoy Max with other half-naked women. And does not herself love that kind of stuff herself enough to have been there "many times", I don't think.

>>153021838
That is a completely different argument. You said "many times" as in frequenting. She also thought that Rachel did love her, even if she knew subconsciously or in the back of her head that that was not the case, not romantically anyway. Which is besides the point anyway. You implied she was sexually outgoing and frequenting strip clubs would be one of the lesser things she would be expected to do. I disagree with that. As I've said, it makes no sense to me that she would have seeked out "companionship" of strippers while she crushed on Rachel, and not after she disappeared either. Like the other anon pointed out, her reaction to the Frank thing makes this further unreasonable. "It makes me sick that Rachel posed like this for Frank. ...But I had many nights of people lapdancing me, np."

>>153022106
True. Maybe the self-esteem boost of getting your carpet chewed by the girl you're so jealous of made alt!Vicky nicer too.

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>>153021562
Ironically, I bet she wasn't. And AU!Chloe probably was...

>>153022412
Not saying that's the main reason. Just using an example to show that Chloe is the jealous type. And for a good reason - obviously her abandonment and trust issues play into that.

I can't see her seriously taking Max to a strip club. Not to "tip things in her favour" or otherwise. She would learn and give Max a lapdance herself before she tricks her into a place she doesn't want to be and has other girls throwing their boobs in her face.

>>153022412
I think the bit where Joyce bitched at Chloe was just something the writers inserted to give a tangible downside to answering Kate's call, just to even things out a bit.
Narratively, it clearly bothered Chloe because of her abandonment issues. As she said, she was bothered by her interpretation of Max choosing Kate, who she sees every day, over Chloe, her best friend who she hasn't seen for over five years.

>>153022486
Read or watch something even more depressing
And now, I guess, play something more depressing

>>153021048
>the dancing patterns of white folk

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>>153021745
Here's the way I see it. Chloe is portrayed as someone who is very worldly - been there, done that. She's been around the bend a time or two and I think it is safe to wager that she's experimented in pretty much everything. There aren't a lot of stones left unturned. She has seen and experienced way more than her age should suggest. Yet she is still very immature.

She's the polar opposite of Max, who mentally is quite wise and very mature, but has no worldly experience whatsoever. And that's what makes their companionship so interesting. You would never pick those two out of a crowd and say "Yep, they sure look like soulmates." Yet... somehow, it just is.

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>>153022106
>>153022303
>>153022515
>all this time, Vic was only a huge bitch because she needed to get laid
Someone do this girl already, goddamn

max is absolute perfection

>>153023305
Chloe, you can put your trip back on

>>153022461
They're not really assumptions, they're just extrapolations based on what I know about humans. I'm human, by the way, so I have some insight into this question.
>First, how does one's sexuality play into whether you are comfortable with getting your partner into explicitly "sexual" interactions with other people?
It's not just her sexuality, it's really how sexually outgoing she is. The real thing here is that a strip club completely lacks intimacy. It's not like you're letting other people be intimate or sexual with your partner. It's hardly any more interactive than you and your partner watching a porno together. I think the intimacy thing is the big deal, though, considering Chloe's personality.

>I am arguing that she is not particularly sexually out-going at all.
Constant innuendos, condom in wallet, "boy toys", strip club line. This is very clear cut. She is, at the very least, comfortable with acting sexual and expressing her.. sexual desires, I suppose you'd call them. I don't know where your "she's not sexually outgoing" argument comes from.

>And the average person does not take their partner into a strip club.
Yes, heterosexual couples wouldn't do that because only the man would get enjoyment out of that. That would be weird. But in case you hadn't noticed, Chloe and Max are both girls and are both attracted to girls.
>So you'd have to assume she is overly sexually outgoing.
I'm not assuming anything considering that Chloe said, "Kidding... but you never know", which as I already said in this thread, is completely equivalent to saying, "Haha, just joking Max, but not really".

>I don't think Max would enjoy a strip club
>Chloe would not like making her uncomfortable for fun
I think she'd like it a bit more than she'd dislike it, but she'd definitely be uncomfortable being there. I think Chloe, however, would get a legitimate kick out of seeing Max squirm. (cont)

>>153022461
(cont)
And from my assumption that Max would secretely enjoy going to a strip club, it wouldn't even be like Chloe would be torturing her. Rather, it would be like Chloe saying to Max, "You know this is fun, just enjoy it". One of the points of the game is that Max, as a person, benefits from Chloe pressuring her to do things she'd have previously been uncomfortable with.

>>153023016
Yeah, I agree.

I wasn't arguing against that. Seriously how can people here read what the other anon said about Chloe and only jump in to defend their side? Now it is "fairly sexually outgoing kind of a badass daredevil and confident in her sexuality", earlier it was "You're crazy if you don't think Chloe ever visited a strip club. I'm sure she's done way seedier things than that". I brought that same point about immaturity up that you do - she has an inner "child", there's her real personality. Her outter "hardcore" stuff is mostly a front, how can people take that and use it to characterize her and say she would be expected to frequent strip clubs and sexually mess about a lot, enjoy that stuff more then the average person?

I don't go to strip clubs. Let alone many times. I think people that do are sexually out-going well above the average and do enjoy casually sexual interactions. I do not take Chloe as someone overly interested in casual sex or other types of messing around with people platonically. I think she tried to convince herself in parts and at times she could be that person - badass, careless, not looking for deep connections in humans at all, "Psh, I don't need anyone" - but that's all obviously a defensive mechanism to her innermost feelings. She does genuinely want meaningful connections, not sexy stuff. She cares, is vulnerable, very romantically sensitive and not hardcore at all to a point where she harbors crushes for years and tip-toes around Max adorably. I don't see this character going to watch boobs flap around and seek companionship there.

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>>153023294
>After all these nights, you're still Victoria Chase

This game was a lot more chill than I expected. Well, I mean up until shit starts going down.

>>153024104
I love the transition from cozy, atmospheric high school drama to reality bending mindfuckery.

>>153023684
>The real thing here is that a strip club completely lacks intimacy. It's not like you're letting other people be intimate or sexual with your partner.
This. Absolutely this.
Why do you think so many people go to strip clubs for their Bachelorette or Bachelor parties? Because it's basically their last shot to do something stupid and sexual that is totally meaningless. And while I personally don't think it's right, some people are okay with it because it is stupid, meaningless fun for the sake of having fun. Nothing intimate about it.

Stupid, meaningless fun for the sake of having fun is very Chloe. And Chloe and Max aren't married, they had been together, as friends and maybe something more, for what, two days? At that point, going to a strip club may have been cheating on Rachel more than it was cheating on Max.

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>>153016243
Had to go away for a bit to do something. I agree though.
Deep down Chloe is still a good and nice person, and a lot of it had to do with her view of the world which was not positive because of her own experiences (and primarily loses).
Once she took a step back from things and saw that Max didn't intent to abandon her, Rachel didn't willingly leave her (but she did lie), that Joyce wasn't trying to just replace William, and that David isn't the worst person ever- she improved drastically after just a few days. All thanks to Max being there and actually being honest and helpful to Chloe.
Then there's how much Chloe helped Max that week.

>>153024191
Yep. No one considers going to a strip club to be "cheating". Especially if you're doing it together, as Max and Chloe would.

>>153023684
>It's not just her sexuality, it's really how sexually outgoing she is.
So you admit sexuality has nothing to do with it whether you'd want to take your partner into a strip club. First assumption (I say assumption because you just said they are both bisexual, which are obviously points of contention here and elsewhere - certainly not canonically confirmed one way or the other).

>It's not like you're letting other people be intimate or sexual with your partner.
That's kind of what strip clubs are. "Normal" people do not want their partner, let alone convince them to, go see other people naked, have them dance for them and stuff. People obviously wouldn't talk about it, but it seems to be "taking your partner to a strip club" requires you to be overly sexually outgoing, un-jealous and pretty lewd indeed.

>I don't know where your "she's not sexually outgoing" argument comes from.
Blushing at Max undressing herself? Her almost shy behaviour nearly throughout with regards to her? I am not saying she is not at all sexuall out-going. I am saying she is not so sexually out-going that she'd be expected to be at strip clubs, let alone take her partner there.

>the man would get enjoyment out of that.
Contrived argument. There can be male and female strippers - still doesn't make it something reasonable to do with your partner, to me.

>>153023789
Pretty much.

Chloe would totally get a kick watching Max in there like a deer caught in headlights, just watching the gears turning in her head. Knowing Max was like 10% turned on, 60% confused and 30% disturbed.

The 10% turned on would be enough to make it worth it for Chloe, because she could totally use it as a crutch to further prove her point that boys are gross and that girls are where it's at.

>>153024374
>>153024191
If you are in a relationship and go into a strip club, you will get problems with your partner. Are we going full ridiculous again?

And I never argued strictly about "going into a strip club". I said from the very beginning the notion is not impossible. But the "many times", "fits her behaviour", "one of the less seedy things", "definitely sexually out-going" stuff. I am not saying strip clubs are dens of sin. Don't twist my words to make me seem ridiculous.

>>153024374
It will probably be a part of Max's upcoming 21st birthday. Do something a little crazy and where Max can drink some, then go back to their place and do something really crazy between the two of them.
Although I'm sure Chloe would also have something very tender and relaxing planned like a candlelight dinner. In addition to Max's party with her family and friends.

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>>153024104
It's like the most chill game of all time at the start, it slowly lulls you into a false sense of security, before as this guy put it >>153024186
reality bending mindfuckery sets in, and then it tears out your heart and devours it before it can stop beating. It's genius, really.

>>153024501
>>153024191
>>153023789
I'm done with this. If it is for the fun, then that's something altogether different again. A "joke", not something Chloe genuinely enjoys.

"Your" Chloe is very different from "mine" - "mine" would never be caught frequenting strip clubs or taking her partner there. "Mine" is not genuinely particularly sexually out-going and offensive, but very much interested in deep relationships, trust, loyalty, not out to get platonic companionships with strippers.

>>153024749
The only way to win is to never get up from Chloe's bed in the morning after the pool
You're got to stay in your... little piece of time

>>153024425
>So you admit sexuality has nothing to do with it whether you'd want to take your partner into a strip club.
Uh, well, there are two aspects to this, both of which I already stated. In the sense of Max and Chloe going to the strip club together, it DOES have to do with their sexuality, because them both being attracted to women makes it less weird than if they were a heterosexual couple and only one of them were attracted to women.
In the sense of Chloe's willingness to go to a strip club, how sexually outgoing she is is what's relevant. Is she comfortable enough in being gay/bi to go to a strip club? Is she a sexual person with a reasonable high libido? (I think the answer to these questions are both yes, for reasons I've already stated).

>(I say assumption because you just said they are both bisexual, which are obviously points of contention here and elsewhere - certainly not canonically confirmed one way or the other).
They're either gay or bi. They're attracted to girls. That's the relevant point here, as we're talking about them going to a strip club where girls strip.

>That's kind of what strip clubs are.
Uh, no, that's not what strip clubs are. There is NOTHING intimate about going to a strip club. It's watching people who you don't interact with and will never speak to strip. That's sexual, but not intimate, and that's what makes the difference for most people.

>"Normal" people do not want their partner, let alone convince them to, go see other people naked, have them dance for them and stuff.
What do you mean by "normal"? Do you mean heterosexual? Again, the difference is that they would both get something out of going to a strip club together because they're gay/bi. It's really no different than if they watched a lesbian porno together. Is that cheating? Would you have objections to that?

>Blushing at Max undressing herself?
This is at the beginning of episode 3. (cont)

>>153024425
(cont)
She's still kind of struggling with her fledgling attraction to Max. She's a bit embarassed at herself that she's attracted to her best friend who she just reconnected with. I'd be if I were her.

>I am saying she is not so sexually out-going that she'd be expected to be at strip clubs, let alone take her partner there.
She explicitly, and again, non-jokingly, tells Max they need to go to a strip club in Portland.

>Contrived argument. There can be male and female strippers
Contrived response. The majority of strip clubs feature female strippers, and considering how the rest of the game laid out Chloe's sexual orientation, she was obviously speaking about a female strip club when she said, "Kidding... but you never know".

>>153024501
Yep, that describes it to a T. I can just imagine Chloe teasing Max while she sits there, uncomfortably sneaking glances at the girls.

>>153024591
Fine, just cut my comment to "Especially considering that Chloe and Max would be going together". It's like watching a live, very softcore porno together.

>>153024828
There's only one Chloe. You can make up whatever Chloe you want in your head, but at that point, we're just going nowhere because we're trying to reconcile two different versions of something.
Within the canon of the game and its writing, Chloe is all of the things that I've argued.

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I just finished playing this game and uh

wtf I love DONTNOD now

>>153024828
>not out to get platonic companionships with strippers.
You see, you're still misinterpreting what a strip club is. In a strip club, there is no relationship with the strippers. There is no intimacy, and thus, there is no invasion into the intimacy of Max and Chloe's relationship.

>>153025518
Hey there Michel

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>>153024425
>Blushing at Max undressing herself?
This is a bit of a unique situation for Chloe. Chloe, the vision of confidence and bad-assery is blushing at something and leaving goofy hints left and right trying to get Max to maybe, just maybe hint that she feels the same way...that's not something you would expect from Chloe, who is ALWAYS in control (or will stop at nothing to put on the facade that she is)

But think about it, if you're Chloe, the last time you saw this girl you were a totally different person. Being in this situation was probably the last thing on your mind. Max falls off the face of the earth for 5 years, and now, all of a sudden, she's back in your life, things are moving at full speed and she's cute as fuck and you are falling head over heels for her like you didn't think was even possible after Rachel. That would trip anyone up.

>>153025159
>both being attracted to women
Already blew this argument out because "strippers" are not female entities. The idea of a couple going to a strip club includes the possibility that both get to see other people that they like. This has nothing to do with sexuality as an conceptual argument we are making here to find out whether it is at all something partners would do casually. I don't know anyone that takes their partner to strip clubs.

>That's sexual, but not intimate
1. It is physically intimate to watch someone dance naked.
2. You said: letting be intimate or sexual - but now you say it is sexual, not intimate, and that's the difference?

>they would both get something out of going to a strip club together
Again, not a relevant argument. I never talked about cheating either. I talked about taking your partner into a strip club and whether that's "normal" - as in, what the average partners would do. I think it's not. I think it would require an well-above-average sexual outgoingness, among other things. Which I don't see with Chloe (obviously not Max).

>She's a bit embarassed at herself
But the innuendos etc. are nothing but proof that she is overly sexual a person and not themselves something not to be taken at face-value?

>non-jokingly
Again, would she really? You admitted she would only primarily do so to take the piss. And I say she would not ever do it.

>It's like watching a live, very softcore porno together.
Ok, I will go on thinking it's more than that. You can take your partner to a strip club.

>>153025413
"Within the canon of the game and its writing, Chloe is all of the things that I've argued."

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>>153025689
Really well put.

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>>153025689
It goes both ways, of course

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>>153024956
This is the only answer.

In that moment, all was right in the world.

>>153025801
What animal is max? Kate is a bunny, Chloe is a blue butterfly/bird.

>>153025578
Yeah, nice opinion. That's why strip clubs are totally a thing couples do and tolerate when their partner does. All those couples in strip clubs man.

>>153025689
I am not saying that is absolute proof she is sexually shy or anything. She has a normal sexuality, and "normal" people don't spend many nights in strip clubs, take their partner there.

This guy said Chloe is the definition of an edgy person, would be doing all kinds of seedy shit that strip clubs are totally normal to her. That is not the Chloe I see. I see a Chloe that does not platonically engage with people, let alone sexually. She is out searching for love, and she learned long ago sex won't give that to you. So her being promiscuous or particularly interested in sex is just not my impression.

>>153026056
Despite the doe being linked to Rachel, it seems to be Max's animal. She wears doe stuff all the time and Samuel tells her it's her spirit animal

Neither Max or Chloe needs clubs or anything for that stuff. Unless they want to go together for whatever reason.
They have each other, they can have the mindless, sexy, fun AND the intimacy. It just depends on what mood their in.

>>153026090
Yeah, but Chloe likes chicks. Chloe obviously likes boobs. Chloe likes drinking and getting high. Putting two and two together, a strip club sounds like something she would enjoy.

What's not to get here?

>>153026207
I never said she would not be able to enjoy strip clubs. Hell, I would. Am I in strip clubs "many nights"? No, I am not. The argument was about whether it is a reasonable thing to assume Chloe did, and the other side said it is not only reasonable, it is expected behaviour of her sexually out-going badass hardcore self to spend many nights in strip clubs.

>>153026149
I always thought her clothing was the developer's hint towards the ending of the thing/secret native american spirit animal ending. But after the ending I can totally believe that.

>>153026149
That's why I say the doe is Rachel. She just appeared as the doe because she was guiding Max and that's her spirit animal. Emphasis on the word 'spirit'.

>>153026370
I think the symbolism is probably that both Rachel and Max's spirit animals are the doe, which is why they are both drawn to Chloe, and why the doe appears after Max is given her powers, to lead her to finding Rachel.

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>>153025837
True dat.

>>153025779
>Already blew this argument out because "strippers" are not female entities.
Most strippers, including the ones that Chloe is referring to, are.

>...we are making here to find out whether it is at all something partners would do casually.
Uh, we don't have to theorize about whether couples would do it casually. We just have to look at the characters as presented in DONTNOD Entertainment's 2015 game Life is Strange. Perhaps you've heard of it. In case you haven't, I'll elaborate. Chloe Price is a daredevil-type character, who at one point in the game, says to her quiet, introverted friend Max Caulfield, "And stripclubs! Kidding... but you never know". In saying this, Chloe is proposing to Max that they go to a strip club populated by female humans removing their clothes in a sexually provocative way. Then, she says, "kidding", implying that she was joking, but then she says, "but you never know", implying that she isn't actually kidding and would actually like to go to a strip club.
Like, what on fucking earth aren't you getting about this? We don't need to theorize about whether or not Chloe would take Max to a strip club. Chloe LITERALLY, SERIOUSLY tells Max that they should go to a strip club.

>It is physically intimate to watch someone dance naked.
It's physically arousing, but not intimate, physically or otherwise. Strippers dance for thousands and thousands of people. Chloe and Max would be no different than the last guy who watched her. It's like watching a strip tease on YouTube, but live. That's it.
>but now you say it is sexual, not intimate, and that's the difference?
Yes, of course that's the different. "Sexuality" and "intimacy" are separate, but connected, concepts. Watching a stripper strip is sexual. Laying with your partner on a couch is intimate. Based on Chloe's personality, as presented in DONTNOD's 2015 game Life is Strange, and not the version of Chloe in your mind, (cont)

>>153025837
I wonder if Chloe is worth the thousands of lives that the storm claimed.

>>153025779
(cont)
Chloe would be perfectly alright with watching a stripper with Max, but not with doing something intimate with that stripper. Again, watching her strip, as she's stripped for thousands before you, is not intimate in an emotional or romantic sense, i.e. what most likely matters most to Chloe.

>But the innuendos etc. are nothing but proof that she is overly sexual a person and not themselves something not to be taken at face-value?
Obviously she sexes herself up A BIT, but not completely. She isn't asexual. She has a sex drive, and she's at least partially gay. And for the trillionth time, the proposal about going to a strip club was not made in jest.

>Again, would she really? You admitted she would only primarily do so to take the piss. And I say she would not ever do it.
She would enjoy doing it for that purpose, but that clearly isn't entirely why she made the proposal in the principal's office. She wants to do it.

>Ok, I will go on thinking it's more than that. You can take your partner to a strip club.
Again, Chloe and Max being bi/gay makes it different than a heterosexual person like me doing it with my partner. And again, you're thinking about how YOU would treat this, not how CHLOE would treat this.

>>153026207
Yes, exactly this. It's so fucking simple.

>Yeah, nice opinion. That's why strip clubs are totally a thing couples do and tolerate when their partner does. All those couples in strip clubs man.
Again, you're thinking about heterosexual couples, not gay couples like Max/Chloe. And again, there's no need to theorize about this because Chloe says to Max, with words, "Let's go to a strip club, just kidding, but not really".

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Max has a messiah complex
Everything about the game says don't be a hero but she doesn't listen
Hell even winning the everyday heroes contest is bad

>>153026820
Chloe is worth a hundred Arcadia Bays to Max

Meant to link to >>153026090 in >>153026957

>>153027004
I'd think I was Jesus or better if I could rewind time though.

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>>153026820
If Max ever questions it, all she has to do is look to her side.

Her answer is always there.

>>153026820
>thousands of lives that the storm claimed
Entirely impossible. At most it was a few hundred. Even as tragic as that is, it's not Max's fault.
Tornadoes can appear at any time and Max had no reason to think going back would somehow change the storm that was coming in every timeline she'd been in. You can say, and I would agree, that they should have tried warning more people. But other thank Joyce, David, and a few others I do not see who would believe them.

The whole Chloe/Max thing has me wondering if such friendship even exists.

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>>153027004
>>153026820

>>153027212
Heck, it probably wasn't very many. Most of the people would have seen the tornado coming and run. Unfortunately, being in the diner, I assume Joyce and Frank didn't escape. Fortunately, neither did Warren.

>>153027212
Except the storm is directly linked to the impossibility of Chloe's existence.

>>153027243
They do exist, but only by virtue of the Law of Truly Large Numbers

>>153026764
>Most strippers, including the ones that Chloe is referring to, are.
Not relevant in the context of the argument. The argument is about whether you are comfortable with your partner seeing other people dance naked and more than that. This has nothing to do with your own sexuality or whether your are attracted to the strippers or not.

>Chloe LITERALLY, SERIOUSLY tells Max that they should go to a strip club.
While this is something I argue is not true (she is joking and does not genuinely want to take Max there). The main argument is not about that line. The main argument is about whether it is for Chloe herself a reasonable assumption that she'd spent "many nights" in strip clubs. And I think that's a mis-characterization. That's taking surficial impressions and arguing she genuinely is like that. She would take Max at most as a joke, and she would not herself frequent strip clubs. Because in actuality, she is not this "daredevil-type character" at all. How on earth are you blind to that? That is is incredibly vulnerable and sensitive emotionally and even in things romantical/sexual of nature in the game?

>Watching a stripper strip is sexual.
>>153023684: "It's not like you're letting other people be intimate or sexual with your partner."

>>153026859
>Chloe would be perfectly alright with watching a stripper with Max
And I don't think that's true, just like I think most people in this world would not be perfectly alright with having a stripper over their partner. I guess we have to leave it at that? It's perfectly alright in your world, not mine.

>>153027339
>Most of the people would have seen the tornado coming and run
You overestimate the people of Arcadia Bay.

>>153027396
Here anon, watch this video. I think this is up your Chloe's alley. https://www.tumblr.com/video/audemus-n7/126546386283/500/

>>153027004
Only because Max is a retarded arts student though. If she was some IRL non-shit female version of warryn who was /sci/, she'd have saved everyone.

>>153026859
>She has a sex drive, and she's at least partially gay.
I am not talking about sexuality. I am talking about whether we can take those little quirks at face-value to say she is particularly sexual a person. It doesn't seem to me that this is the case. Her remarks are cute and charming, often teasing and sarcastic; she is not sexually lewd more than the average teenager - less so, if anything. So the idea of this strip club-frequenting hardass does not fit with my understanding of her character. I think she is not sexually really out-going and active. Certainly not so much that she would spend nights in strip clubs and take Max there as something genuinely enjoyable or "quality couple time". The thought of taking my partner to a strip club (male, female, bith, whatever) is absurd to me. And frankly, isn't something I would know is perfectly normal among couples. How many couples, married and otherwise, do you think are actually in strip clubs? Even just once in their entire relationships or lives, even.

>>153026859
>She wants to do it.
Visit a strip club? Maybe. Like I said, not an impossible thought. But not likely, expected or assumably what she did many times in the past.

>not how CHLOE would treat this.
I am talking about whether Chloe would be comfortable with her partner getting striptease, lapdances, seductive attention from other people that Max could be into. Not whether she herself also gets something out of it. Only about this thing, and Chloe seems not the type to me to be fine with that.

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>>153027056
Man really Max doesn't really explore her powerset. Most of the week should have been her actually testing out her powers especially after Kate on the roof. What if she could isolate the things that her reverse powers effect she could heal people

>>153027396
>The argument is about whether you are comfortable with your partner seeing other people dance naked
No, the argument is about whether CHLOE is comfortable with her partner seeing other people dance naked. And based on her comment in Well's office, she clearly is.

>and more than that
No, there is no "more than that". Going to a strip club involves watching strippers strip and that's really it.

>The main argument is not about that line.
I thought we moved on from the "did Chloe go to strip clubs" argument like an hour ago. I'm more generally arguing about whether Chloe would be comfortable going to a strip club, and whether she'd want to take Max to one.
Nonetheless, as I argued earlier, I think it's totally plausible that Chloe went to strip clubs before Max came back to Arcadia Bay. She's kind of a daredevil, she was very depressed, and doing something pointless, kind of "out there", and kind of self-destructive is very in-line with her character.

>Because in actuality, she is not this "daredevil-type character" at all.
Yes, she puts on a persona, but it's not like she's making that part of her up. It's more like it's an exaggeration of her existing personality. Even in the alternate reality, Max finds out that Chloe loves punk stuff and loves skateboarding. She's naturally more of a confident badass than Max ever was.

>"It's not like you're letting other people be intimate or sexual with your partner."
Alright, I'll revise the "or" to "and". There is no intimacy at a strip club. This is the point.

>And I don't think that's true, just like I blah blah blah
Again, this isn't about "your world" or "my world". This is about Chloe as written in the game. She would be alright with doing it.

>>153027790
>she is not sexually lewd more than the average teenager
Teenagers are pretty sexually lewd. If she's as sexual as the average one, then she's pretty sexual.

>less so, if anything
On what could you possibly be basing this argument? She talks about having had "boy toys" and has a condom in her wallet.
Seriously anon, you're just projecting onto her the version of her that you want to see.

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"Jesus, guys. I never want to visit a Goddamn strip club ever again." - Chloe Price on this thread

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>>153027339
The diner didn't explode in the final timeline the game ends in.
Just some parts of the roof gone and window broken out. I'd say those inside survived or David brought them to safety.

>>153027726
Sure, if Max was an autistic neckbeard I bet everyone could have been saved

>>153027801
I thought the whole time stop thing was a new ability or something that was make a second appearance at the next major cornerstone of the game. But I was disappointed.

>>153027341
So when's the storm that come about because of Kate's continued existence? Or Victoria's? Or William's? Or Max's?
They all were going to die at some point in the week.

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>>153027726
>>153028456

>>153027823
>And based on her comment in Well's office, she clearly is.
I think that was a joke, and I think she would not be comfortable with it. She can say and even think she is, but I don't think she really would be? Only as a joke be able to enjoy that. I mean, what would it mean for Chloe if she actually wanted her partner to see other people like that for the implication of it alone? That's cuck stuff.

>I think it's totally plausible that Chloe went to strip clubs
Indeed an argument from hours ago. But also what all of this was about. I don't think it's plausible - not impossible, but likely, reasonable, to be expected even, as you argued? Not at all. It's just as plausible, adn more reasonable, that she had other "out there" things to do than go to strip clubs frequently while she was with or missing Rachel. That argument extended into one about Chloe's character, the "strip club with Max" point merely being part of that, and we obviously have different interpretations of her character.

>She's naturally more of a confident badass than Max ever was.
But not a strip club-frequenting badass that is into way more seedy shit. She's still very tame in my mind.

>This is the point.
Semantics aside, what does it matter whether it can be described as "intimate"? I don't think taking your partner to a strip club is normal. I think it would require Chloe to be sexually outgoing more so than the average person. And I don't think she is.

>She would be alright with doing it.
You are losing the argument out of sight. That line is not proof in itself. We have to interpret and characterize, and that requires context. If something takes overtly sexual open-mindedness in the real world, a character doing it would have to be considered as such.

>>153027965
She is not particularly lewd, which leads me to believe she would not frequent strip clubs or seriously take her partner there. Condoms and phases do not mean you are. We do not even know what her boy toy phase entailed..

>>153028456
Let me guess, you're one of those idiots who thinks the ending was "deep", and doesn't realise that "everyone dying" was a result of Max dragging the idiot ball (behaving like a typical art student) since episode 4

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Good night /lesg/!

>>153028636
I think Max's rewind power only saved Kate.

>>153028801
No, I just find it amusing when non-arts-students pretend they could solve an issue that doesn't involve autistically moving numbers around.

>>153028859
Rewind, yes. But the photojump ability saved people and re-wrote the timeline.
There was no storm a week after saving William, but there was still the storm that's always been coming since Max got the vision. If I were Max that would make me think the storm is something consistent and coming regardless of the circumstances.
So the only conclusions are: the storm is specifically because Chloe lived (Tough shit, she's not going anywhere) or that the storm is destined to come.

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>>153028612
Max is unambitious, uncreative, and kind of lazy.
She lacked the drive to tap into her true power

>>153029240
Just like she lacked putting her photo forward (which I thought was the butterfly on the bucket not the one shown).

>>153028962
That's cool, I find it amusing when arts students pretend they can solve any problems at all.

>>153029240
>unambitious
Dedicating herself to protecting Chloe, helping Kate, and finding Rachel on a one week deadline was pretty ambitious.
>uncreative
Using her rewind to enter previously locked areas, evade security, make up for mistakes, and hold onto certain objects. More creative than most others would have used the power. As a photographer she has to be creative.
>kind of lazy
Because up until that week she didn't have any motivation to try to excel at anything.

It would have been cool to see Max explore things like rewinding certain objects/ people, taking other to the past with her, or stuff like that but the need never arose so she never thought of it. What she did think of and do was enough to get her through the week. There's always the future if she decides she wants to explore and hone her ability.

Max wasn't chunni enough to save everyone

>>153029805
I always thought one of her last rewinds would that she would touch Chloe and they'd travel through time together. But alas, no.

>>153029916
>travelling in time with chloe
only in fanfic anon

>>153029916
That's the basis for the fic Ouroboros.

I wish it was what happened too, Chloe and Max being able to go back the bathroom with cooler heads and knowledge and being able to talk down Nathan for a peaceful resolution. Convince him to put down the gun, talk, and then surrender himself to the police so nobody else gets hurt, Jefferson goes to prison, and so Nathan can get help.

>>153030152
But if all the objects she touched traveled with her, why not someone else?

>>153028734
I literally don't care

>>153029873
There's Daru-kun, Chris-chan, Luka-chan, Suzu-san, Moeka-san, Feris-chan, Braun-san, Nae-chan and more! In the spring you seemed so lonely. But now you're fine. You don't need Mayushii to be your hostage anymore.

>>153012779
She had a fucked up life that went south. She literally admits she's just traumatised. Max helps this. The week is about chloe healing from the events of her dad's/friends death.
She always ends up saying sorry. Even about the phone thing. She had no idea about Kate. she was just upset that once again everyone is ignoring her.
I could understand a girl like Chloe. Truth be told, I wouldn't be mad. You can see she's a nice girl. It's just she lost her way and has trouble following.

>>153028801
The problem with the ending isn't that Max couldn't save the town. It was a bit cliche, but the final decision was the emotional climax of the game and removing it would have fucked everything up. Dontnod's only mistake was in not coming up with a better reason for preventing Max from evacuating the town.

>>153026820
To Max.
Can you imagine being in that situation? I would literally kill myself if I had to sacrifice the love of my life.

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>>153027965
>>153030375
Your version: "Chloe probably spent many cold nights getting high and going to strip clubs", "Face it, Chloe is the definition of an edgy person.", "You're crazy if you don't think Chloe ever visited a strip club. I'm sure she's done way seedier things than that."

I don't think those are true or fit her character, but you've already admitted that not everything of that was meant to be taken that seriously, and I already admitted that my argument is also influenced by subjective assumptions and definitely an interpretive picture of Chloe that is not strictly the one other people would have. I don't actually think "Within the canon of the game and its writing, Chloe is all of the things that I've argued." - both for my arguments and yours. I think there is leeway for interpretation, quite a lot with these characters in particular. To me, she is not overly sexually out-going, her "wilder" phases result of emotional complexes and expressions of desperation, not actual sexual drive and desire. I think her innuendo and stuff like that strip club line are part of a sarcastic humor, a way she deals with things uncomfortabe to her (the thought of Max not being into girls is uncomfortable to her - so she suggests things like that to try and gauge her reactions) - which in turn is part of an overall "hardass" persona Chloe has developed to deal with things without letting her real personality (which is bashful, sensitive, caring, emotionally not sexually demanding, looking for trust and loyalty and meaningful stuff in her relationships) allowed to be hurt.

But I admit that I am making too rigid of a differentiation there. Her easy-goingness and reckless way of doing things do extend into her actual personality more so than I argue - I don't think enough to where frequenting strip clubs or taking Max there is stuff she'd do... but it's not "wrong" either. Maybe my view is more boring than I'd like to think.

>>153030779
Post-Bay Ending, I do not see Max surviving very long. She would either go back and save Chloe after a few days or just end herself.
But that's not going to be a problem because she did not choose to condemn Chloe. She followed her heart, saved her, and helped her as well as many others. Nobody can fault her for that.
As someone said above, Max has some of a Messiah Complex. But she thankfully realizes she's allowed to have proprieties and sometimes do things for herself. Everyone has a point where they say 'No' and for Max that point is at asking to give up Chloe.

>>153030887
Is this a picture of Chloe and Max in a fucking strip club? K E K

That is even more hilarious after this 6 hour long debate.

I went to bed and the argument about the strip club began and I woke up and it's still going. What the hell.

Might as well give my opinion. She most likely has been to one BUT had a bad experience, I highly doubt she'd keep going to such a place.

>>153031143
Yeah that's what I mean.
It would still be a great thing, but you're not just asking if you want to sacrifice her, it's if you want to sacrifice yourself too.
I don't think people understand that a cruel fact of this world is that you won't always prioritise other people. Sometimes you care more about your own things.

>>153031181
Yeah, it's part of me trying to make up. The other anon already admitted stuff was said partly in jest, and that they even regretted parts of it. I could have been a better sport, trying to be now.

>>153030887
I literally don't care

>>153030887
I literally don't care.

>>153030528
>Defending the ending because it was the "emotional climax"
Toby plz. The mistakes of dontnod were legion. They began with thinking of an ending (and by thinking we mean photocopying an old episode of star trek) before they properly thought about the scenario, and trying to jam the two together without a fucking clue.

They should have thrown that ending away in the early stages of production.

>>153030887
In all earnesty this doesn't concern me

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>>153031359
>>153031476
You cared enough to keep this up with me long enough for >>153031263 to wake up to it. We've gone over to argue for arguing's sake at some point - let's not end it on a bad note?

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>>153031326
It's all good.

>>153031485
What would you have written as the emotional climax? The core of the game was written around reconnecting with and saving Chloe. The end asking whether she was worth saving above so much else was a good one, desu senpai

>>153031671
I think that's some other guy. I'm the one who started the whole discussion and this was my response: >>153031707

>>153031671
I literally don't care

How big is everyone's LiS folder?

>>153031905
216 files

>>153031905
Only 75 pics so far, embarrassingly. Even my Ezri Dax folder is bigger
It hurts if you don't know how to use tumblr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEdsI731J4

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>>153031798
>>153031707
Maybe people siding more so with at least the sentiment of your side should be a hint to me that I was being more unreasonable at times. ...Either way, all's well that ends well. Which is ironic considering the thread we are in.

Be seeing you for more pleasant encounters in the future!

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Thread needs more Kate, for she can save us.

>>153031270
Glad you were able to understand my typo of "priorities".
But yes, you are indeed allowed to act in your own interest at times. Some people may call Max saving Chloe selfish, maybe it is, but she's human. We're all selfish and nobody can be expected to give up someone they love for the sake of mostly strangers. That's absurd and I doubt nearly anyone else in that situation would be as kind as Max and Chloe by even considering that option.

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>>153030461
She's voiced by Ashley in the dub