/poeg/ Path of Exile General

wtf another thread?

catposter

died to lab trial again...

lol nice game

didn't we just have this thread haha

No really, just let it die for a bit.

i wish i could be dead like poeg is dead
then finally my suffering would be over

why does PoE run perfectly fine for me for about 3 instances, then it slows to a stuttery fucking mess. I alt tab for a minute and then go back in and its perfectly fine again for another three instances. Its getting frustrating running maps.

Also is there a way to limit the number of dead bodies on the ground? I know several mechanics rely on them, but if I kill huuuge packs and strong boxes, the ground litter really impacts my framerate.

try emailing support about your problem

Works fine on my netbook, call you're isp.

looking for tips to stop dying to those sawblades trials...

10 posts in an hour...

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>10 days until new season
What do until then ?

>>152424529
Play a CoC build before its gutted.

>>152423648
gotta go fast

>>152423062
I had a pretty similar problem in ascendency iirc. I'd have zero lag but once i left and re entered a map my ping would go to absolute shit, until i reset. It made the game unplayable.

I stopped playing for a week or two and when i came back i didn't notice it anymore (this isn't much of a solution)

>>152424108
People are running race for F R E E MTX

>>152425740
>gutting CoC
i-is this true?

>>152428845
Even if GGG wanted to, they're literally too stupid to nerf it
It's been "nerfed" like 30 times

>>152427531
it's only F R E E for the people who kiss GGG's ass

>>152429042
sad but true

they're too stupid to fix anything

how long should i farm dried lake? until the xp penalty starts to apply? or should I just jump into maps?

how bad am I that I got destroyed by merciless malachai?

>>152431137
if you're a scared baby, you play that till you kill yourself
if not, do maps after you've got your res/health up to standards, then grind maps till you kill yourself

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alright which one of you chucklefucks did this

>>152431495
what the fuck is this trying to say

>>152431640
shitcrows/redditors welcome

>>152431495
what the fuck is an orphan build

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>>152432178

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where is it

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>>152432178
>>152432342
>>152432638
>>152432779
what are you doing

>>152432779
Such a gif does not exist, sir. You must have dreamt it.

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imagine poe with:

>stable servers
>stable fps
>challenging gameplay
>interesting lore
>fun combat
>intuitive trading
>competitive pvp
>evolving meta

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I think I hit that point in my SRS build where there's very little for me to actually upgrade and the only thing left on the tree to do is get Life nodes and as such the entire thing has become incredibly boring.

Christ, it feels a lot worse than Cyclone/Fire Trap did in terms of how it feels to play towards the end game. Maybe my build is just shit, though.

>>152435715
>SRS
>Not boring

You fucked up if you wanted interesting gameplay with a minion build.

>>152435931
Honestly I wanted a build that could get me to maps (and this has, technically) but I didn't expect the damage output I'm getting on it to be as bad as it is.

Tbh I don't think there are any interesting minion builds out there, maybe Animate Weapons using those ranged weapons jewels but that's like it.

>>152436153
Minion builds by design are passive builds. To most people that is a boring and uninteresting playstyle.

who is our guy ?

>>152436352
I mean personally I don't mind playing passively if my fucking minions actually killed things efficiently. They let enemies through all the time though and don't kill them quick enough, meaning I have to flask all the fucking time. I wouldn't mind just standing there and watching all the enemies just crumble, but playing SRS is really all about looking at your damn flasks and managing them correctly, not actually doing anything else, and I find that more boring than anything else.

>>152436434
me

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>they delayed the new skills

>>152431137
Till you have 4k Life.

>>152436458
Animate Weapons are much more ruthless and efficient than raging spirits as well as the mobs don't ignore them. If you are unsatisfied with SRS then you can try them. Rough leveling due to lack of good duration nodes early for the witch, weapon drop rates in leveling zones, along with animate weapons despawning when you go to a new zone.

Does the prophecy league reset too?

gday ziggy dee here and thanks for watching

>>152438960
gday ziggy deedee here and thanks for watching

D

first of all the game is not dead, just hibernating

>>152437612
No prophecy gets merged into standard

post some good javs desu

>>152441831
I watch anri's exclusively.

>>152441831
look up anything by AIKA, she's top tier
>>152441865
good taste

>>152441865
>>152442056
both look good desu

degenerates are NOT welcome here

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I can't choose between hierophant or inquisitor I might just choose making a witch instead

>>152442441
go inquisitor, hierophant is waaaaay worse than inquisitor for any elemental crit build
inquisitor is really based

>still cant decide on a league starter build and we are under 2 weeks away

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>>152442970
>tfw you already decided

What damage skill would be good with this Aegis+MoM hierophant?

poeurl.com/Jq2

>>152442758
But what about my extra links?

How good is Hierophant for non-crit totems?

>>152443396
ED

>>152443018
what is she eating

>>152443991
A human soul.

>>152435551
imagine poeg without:

>catposter

Antother day without news... WHERES MY HYPEPOSTS

>enter cave for tora
>snakes with haste and LMP
>rekt my minion line
>click the enterance to the cave
>d/c
>"that enemy is out of your league and you know it"
>reconnect and im dead

ok

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>>152449575
>"that enemy is out of your league and you know it"

>it now lets you die instead if you try chickening out

>>152449575
>initiating zone change instead of logging out
ok

so what's the deal with people not liking the "clearspeed meta"?
The game has always been about clearing as fast as possible. People have always strived to go faster.

>>152449891
There was a point in time where people actually cared about defenses such as block, armour, regen, curses and buffs. Now it's "kill before you get killed", stacking hp, curses and buffs are automated.

>>152431495
Zeno quit the game? When was this.

>>152450327
a few days ago

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How do i sustain mana for an split/ice shot raider at max frenzy charges? I wanna use the cold damage per frenzy charge essence.

>>152431495
>New Skills
Yeah... about that...

>>152450457
mgoh jewel and duelist manaleech
aka every bow build in the last 4 leagues ever

What's a good romira's banquet build outside of voll's devotion?

>log out at 100% hp half a screen away from a white pack
>log in in standard
great game gee gee gee

>>152449852
Now I know. 10 days left in the league so my shame won't last much longer.

>>152451737
RT + Cold Snap

>>152452727
The question was "what's a GOOD build"

>>152452935
its the only other build aside discharge. nothing else makes use of them without critting.

>>152453010
yeah, that was a stupid question tbqh
>>152451737
retard

>>152451737
You can use it on ice shot support to generate charges for your party with conduit

>>152452727
What about elemental overload instead of RT?

>>152453246
so when you crit you cant recast your main skill for a full 2 seconds?

>>152435551
So Diablo 3?

>>152451737
Can't you pull off a ghetto mjolner build with that Hierophant endurance charge node?

>>152452935
Oh wait I just remembered its also possible to go selfcast discharge with crit and charge up your charges with incinerate. Some guy in poeg was doing it once at least.

our girls are streaming

Making my first build, could someone explain to me the pros and cons of eldritch battery, please?

Should I take it with ghost reaver to mitigate high mana usage?

>>152455972
Its been so long since I watched some total scrub struggle through poe
4h in a2 normal and they're not even halfway through

>>152456610
>eb+gr
kys, retard %%you will do it on first reflect rare tho%%

>>152456664
Can you put that in non-autistic terms please, so a retard like me could understand it?

>>152456610
Pros: lets you reserve 100% mana
Cons: you sac defenses for it

To sustain EB you
Get zealots oath and run stone golem or endurance charges regen from marauder (Caster)
If you are an attacker with lots of hits (KB, Barrage, TS or Split arrow) you can also run 3-4 es gain on hit jewels to sustain shield.

>>152456894
you wont be able to lifeleech

>>152455972
julie's instagram tho

>>152457439
big butt...

>>152456958
>If you are an attacker with lots of hits
This one, but I guess I'll be going for mana leech/gain on hit instead then.
Is Thief's Torment viable?

>tfw BF1 will launch its beta when new PoE season comes out.

Guess I'll see you guys on the battlefield :)

>>152442970
BV or srs

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>>152457439

jesus
fucking
christ

Is there a good beginner friendly/cheap caster build for Scion? I'm not really too sure about what I should go for.

>>152459498
essence drain is ezmode

Any good PoE YouTubers?

>>152460079

me

I want to do inquisitor COC but I find myself rather stretched thin on Crit and es (one, the other or both) unless I do ZO and get the consecrated ground ascendancy for sustain (along with some regeneration from the tree). I'll reach 10% ES reg per second.. Gonna run CI

Is this enough? Anyone have experience with this?

>>152459137
Don't forget WoW

>>152451761
call your isp

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>>152441831

imagine if poe had boss fights like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y

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Predict the top meta build of the new season.

I'll start:
CoC Spark makes a comeback and then gets nerfed in a week.

dumb pigposter

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for a voltaxic build is it better to scale phys and convert that to lighting with phys2lightning and lightning arrow scale the lightning damage and then convert to chaos and scale that again.
or will stacking elemental damage and converting that to chaos and scaling that result in more damage?

i just got a voltaxic drop and never used one before.
seems like a fun weapon

both options seem fine but the phys conversion way would shit out more dps but would require more investment.
the ele way however would be much cheaper and still deliver high damage.

>>152469746
>for a voltaxic build is it better to scale phys
>100pdps bow
are you FUCKING retarded?

poeg is fucking dead

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punch my face

>>152435551
>intuitive trading
If trading got any more convenient, it'd ruin the game.

>competitive pvp
No. Fuck off.

>>152470426
yes.

>>152470594
>If trading got any more convenient, it'd ruin the game.
Oh gee! now i'm glad that 10 people i messaged for that piece of shit item didn't respond/were afk, you literal RETARD

>>152470526
mad this guy slays more pussy than you...?

>>152470594
>Autoreply: suck a fucking dick you retard

>it's a catshitter starts a quotewar with himself episode

you realize we can all see you're the same person right

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>>152469092
Answer to me or i'm going to do it

>>152471104
There's no "predictions" to be made until we get patch notes, and then it's more general number crunching than predicting anything. GGG has already shat on Spark so it has no chance of becoming meta in anything but Dried Lake clearing unless they revert the mechanical change to it.

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>>152471350
N-No you're wrong! They'll fix spark and make it great again, y-you'll see..

where is esk

Diablo 2 forever and ever

who cares about that slut

I fought for God, who do you fight for exile...

had i killed you back in oriath, i'd have been showered in gold
where's the justice, eh?

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>tfw can't play this league due to college and RL stuff

tfw the voice actress for the witch is a fat pig in real life...

I wish they would do more flashback events in the future. I'd do them all, even though I always die to stupid shit or place poorly when I don't. It made me realize PoE is only fun when I have a sense of purpose to logging on and deadlines to meet.

>It made me realize PoE is only fun when I have a sense of purpose to logging on and deadlines to meet.
Nice illusion of fun.

Regular PoE isn't fun because everyone cheats their way to the top and plays with their buddies. The average SSF joe can't compete.

who forces you to play ssf in a regular league, retard?

>>152473105

You know it's not that hard to set your own goals and deadlines. You can also try playing real life if poe league is not up

>>152473380
Never mind, misread that. No one forces me to play SSF, if anything I'm forced to trade to be competitive, that's the thing. In a SSF event, everyone is on the same level playing field.

>>152470727
so you have to buy a slightly more expensive one.
get over it.

you guys won any free mtx..? i didn't get anything...

Are there any good trading systems that you can implement that makes the community not think that flippers are making mad money? Because obviously there's no way of making playing the game the best way to earn if there's trade.

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lol!

>>152473982

based reddit crossposter

>>152473926
Unironically ask /pol/, because what you're asking is a system against capitalism.

>>152473926
FIXED
PRICING
MOTHERFUCKER

>>152473736
you're on the same level playing field in regular poe too, you just choose to hinder yourself by not trading

>>152473926
who cares if flippers make money its about balancing access to items.

anyone has high res screenshots of the minotaur set on marauder/duelist?

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>>152473926
yeah but you have to be mentally capable of challenging your preconceived notions of what trade should be

why should trade be based around a player controlled economy? why does your opinion matter? all your opinion does is allow game cancer to thrive.

why not make item values like another sweet affix you roll on an item? why not make item values RNG based?

the only response to this is your narrow minded failure to consider the possibility that your opinion on item values doesn't matter.

the price of items should be predetermined based loosely on the inherent power of the item itself such as the sum of all of its mods. and them modified slightly by RNG. and finally a new currency type that lets players reroll the item value.

with the price fixed to the item players would no longer be able to effectively RMT items, no more handing top players everything, botting would be far less effective and everyone could participate in trade as it should be.

>2016
>fixed pricing autism
get a new shtick already retard

>2016
>stop liking what I don't like

im just going to hide your posts faggot

>>152475679
Yeah. Any ideas?
>>152475047
>Fixed pricing
Is your idea of fixed pricing some sort of exponential function of absolute mod synergy and rolls?
Wouldn't people find that boring?
>>152474531
Well I conceded that it's impossible to fix. It's more about having people believe their items have some value. People enjoy that.

If you look at games before the Internet became as social as it is now you had people enjoy games at every stage. Valuing their items at every stage. If I had played PoE back then then I would have been grinding bosses at all different difficulties. Because really it's the online community that pulls me towards caring about the endgame rather than, for example, making a really sick level 45 character. PoE isn't designed for that sure but you get my point. The tier 1 uniques are valued because of their power, not because they give you the most interesting playstyle.

Perhaps you could design a game like that.
>>152476292
>yeah but you have to be mentally capable of challenging your preconceived notions of what trade should be
Anon you really have to stop looking down on people. It's not that difficult.
I just feel that every system I can come up with ends up bland if not problematic in the more obvious ways.

>>152476768
STOP
RESPONDING
TO
FIXED
PRICED
AUTIST
HOLY
SHIT
YOU
FUCKING
FAGGOT

>>152476768
>Anon you really have to stop looking down on people. It's not that difficult.
When the only argument given against an idea is a failure to consider the very idea being argued against and regurgitating the same reasons why your current system is broken then all that's left is to come to the realization that the person responding to you is mentally handicapped. I'm not looking down insomuch as I'm making a basic observation on the mental capacity of those around me.

>>152477163
I wasn't arguing against the idea. You're just looking down on people for no reason. Its a simple idea and you present it as if it's not.

>>152477307
>for no reason

>>152477307
The idea has been posited multiple times. The only responses are precisely as stated: an inability to challenge preconceived notions of what trade should be. What else is left if not the realization that those lack the mental capacity to do so? Go on...

enjoy talking to yourself in a dead general, loser

thanks, i will

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REMOVE COC
BUFF MOB DMG
BUFF MOB HEALTH
ADD COOLDOWNS TO MOVEMENT SKILLS
LOWER PLAYER DAMAGE ACROSS THE BOARD

THERE, I FIXED POE

remove yourself from the surface of the earth, catshitter

I wish they'd do what Diablo 2 did and have crafting be for mods you can't find. Rare items can't be crafted.

RMT shitheads just buy a buckets or currency and roll any perfect rare they want. In Diablo 2 a rare could only be found/traded, not rolled so each top tier rare felt so good to own. PoE rares just RMT a mirror and copy the one somebody else RMT'd to create. Fucking ghey.

Guys, I have a few questions:
>Is this game fun?
>Is it P2W in any way?
>Does it require shitload of time to get any good? Months, years?

>>152477683
Well if it would just mean we couldn't trade anymore and sell / buy every item from / to a vendor for SPEED reasons then go fuckyourself your idea is shit.

>>152476768
You seem like an honest guy, so ill tell you my humbe opinion:

Haggling is fun. The system now would be fine if everything to completely support it (Forum = INGAME Market stands where you can display your shit, Poe, Trade = marketplace INGAME browser, visual representation of offers and maybe some trading guild / master where you can deposit items for other players to take out after both end signed a contract (semi asynchronous cross-instance trading) it would be a lot be a lot better than everything before. Just make the market not having insta buy function and need 2 sided input to make cheating ineffective.

I also like the the current system much more than auction houses or other trading systems i've seen in games. Its like Guild Wars (the first) where only player to player trading was possible.
So even on the danger of sounding like a GGG shill and the many many complaints about it I'll stand my ground: The trading system like it is IS THE CORRECT CHOICE from a GAME DESIGN point of view. There are several other points to support this:
A. The currency system goes along perfectly with it. See we don't have a "base line money" like copper - silver - gold coins like other games where money itself is just a placeholder Item with universal use. Instead it is more of a commodity trade system where you shift around different materials (that have actual use), which can rapidly fluctuate in price. And this make sense! it
B. Adds a sense of realism to the game. But anon. Realism in my ARPG? What are you talking about? Well think about it. How would people trad in the rundown world of Wraeclast? Yea that's right. Hand to hand trading and barter.
And finally C. It creates a superficial scarcity of certain goods at certain time, ensuring the game to stay at least somewhat hard.

congrats to our guy Vivre for his berserker demi!

>>152479992
fun is a subjective concept, retard

only gets p2w if your concept of having fun is being top 10 ladder, otherwise default tabs are fine

takes about a couple months to get good, rest is time investment in your autism fueled goals

>>152480019
Cont: What GGG should do aside adding the market that has established into the game (QoL): Push more for an economy with only offers and no buyouts. Make haggling a prerequisite and turn trade into a REAL Auction house for a commodity market (I.E: Offers only). Trade should be slower if anything, not faster. but it should be more enjoyable. But thats just my 2 cents, and I feel like 90% would disagree with me here.

>>152480019
>Well if it would just mean we couldn't trade anymore and sell / buy every item from / to a vendor for SPEED reasons then go fuckyourself your idea is shit.
Well if we're just going to throw shit out there that has nothing to do with what's being said, why should I respond to you any differently?

Everything is quite similar to how it is now. Except players don't set item prices. Item prices are set by the sum of its mods, fixed the to the item as if it were an affix that you find, based also loosely on RNG. And lastly the fixed price can be rerolled with a new currency type.

To trade an item, the other player must have the fixed price on the item, the trade window must be used. Drop trading is removed but instead, players who were in your party at the time the item was found, you can freely disperse the item among each other or trade it to each other for the fixed price.

Another benefit of such a system is it holds the developers to properly balancing the game. They already balance currency drop rates and all item mods to create the perfect harmony known as the player economy. Fixed pricing takes it a step further. They now must balance all those mods in a way to express what they should be worth directly in terms of currency. It doesn't have to be exact because player opinion no longer matters. The developers could choose to leverage player opinion on pricing but it's not a requirement to do so as the fixed price ultimately comes from a sum of an item's mods, player input or not.

>>152480517
Auction house is dogshit tier and and tons of gameplay band aids are employed by games that use them such as item binding and linear item progress. AH is fucking terrible for Diablo like games. Your next statement will be, "b-but poe.trade already is an AH so you're wrong". Then we wouldn't be having this convo right now.

do people complaining about """"""muh power creep"""""""" realize that addressing this would hurt bad skills the most? like, coc discharge or kinetic blast wouldn't care too much about a 100% mob health increase, but many less popular skills would become straight up unplayable

>>152480019
>How would people trad in the rundown world of Wraeclast? Yea that's right. Hand to hand trading and barter.
Doesn't explain why NPCs, including Forsaken Masters will happily trade your randomly found junk for an endless stream of alt and alch shards (implying they have infinite currency in their possession). Or why Nessa will sell you skill gems, virtually the most powerful artefacts in existence for 1 id scroll or 1 transmute. Gold doesn't make sense, but neither does NPC barter.

>>152480821
Not him, but it's currently a shitty AH.

>>152481415
your idea of better is shitty

>>152481003
It wasnt always like that.

And NPC doesnt barter.

>>152480627
What you want is super fast instantaneous trading where the OPINIONS about what is strong or weak at the moment wouldn't matter in the least. It would all be predetermined. You won't be able to run a off meta build to go cheap by being smart. And you tell me that's gonna be easier to balance? Are you fucking kidding me? In a game of Options that is Poe that would SEVERLY cut the viability of all the builds that don't follow the currently perfect streamlined value - statgain meta. It would dumb down the game by at least 700%.

>>152480821
If you mean the Auction houses from MMO's, those abominations, that are more to be called a stock market than anything else, then yeah, I totally agree with you. but a auction house based solely on offers like what I'm talking about is an entirely different beast. PoE trade is closer to a stock market than that.

>>152481003
Haha yea you got a point there, but then again its a kinda decent way to increase the availability of low tier currency and make you actually pick up more items so I don't think thats a bad thing and influencing the economy in a bad way. Gems are only QoL and weren't necessary to be frank, but whatever, I can deal with it.

Hey it's me, Diablo 2 again. I'm just over here having a vastly superior currency system where the best item cost no more than six runes and any player with knowledge can easily craft or find thanks to 1:1 HR trading and loot tables.

>>152473105
i wish they would last for a month, or longer. Not 1 fucking weekend, playing 48h straight is just bs

catshitter is a dumb d3tard
no wonder he makes posts like 152479293
or want a fixed price on items because assessing an item's value on your own is too hard man

>>152481652
>You won't be able to run a off meta build to go cheap by being smart
Yes you will

>And you tell me that's gonna be easier to balance?
The idea isn't to get the player OPINION of item value correct it's the inverse to use the price of items to refine the game's balance. As the fixed price is a reflection of it. The devs could then leverage player input on item prices to continuously refine balance as they already currently do just that. Nothing changes in that regard.

> In a game of Options that is Poe that would SEVERLY cut the viability of all the builds that don't follow the currently perfect streamlined value - statgain meta.
No it wouldn't. You're not supporting anything you're posting. You're just saying things. The vast majority of players aren't market simulator autists. They'd be happy to be able to trade their items for a fixed price rather than sperg out everytime an item is listed 1c under their price and OCD refreshing an indexer to make sure everything lines up to their dumbshit opinion of prices. Most players just want to trade their item.

If the current system is so inherently flawed and tedious, and the majority of players hate it, how come PoE's economy hasn't crumbled upon itself then?

>>152482247
because literally anything could be considered "working" if that means 1% getting filthy rich while the rest get scraps

>>152482091
Yes it would. You're not supporting anything you're posting. You're just saying things. The vast majority of players are market simulator autists. They'd be unhappy to be able to trade their items for a fixed price rather than sperg out everytime an item is listed 1c under their price and OCD refreshing an indexer to make sure everything lines up to their dumbshit opinion of prices. Most players just want to trade their item.

fixed communism poster pls go

it's that retard who gets shit on so hard he starts copy pasting the other person's responses

notice how he copies this post and includes this sentence

>>152482468
Good, then nothing has to change. People still play this FREE to play game for a reason.

>>152482247
RMT fags plus 90% of the players quit 1 week something into the league

>>152482738
no it means people with a mental disease play market simulator autist while the entire game's population quits regularly because the game's balanced around your shit tier gameplay

>>152482790
Wow, must be a great system to sustain itself on just 10% of the 1st league week population then.

>>152482679
Who the hell are you replying to?

>>152435551
this post made me realize how shit this game is

Finally had a mjolner drop and decided to make a non-discharge build, attacks 5x a second with lightning strike and has 2 chains on everything. It clears packs well but single target is so fucking shitty. I've tried molten strike and orb of storms but both don't really help. The fuck do I do to get this T1 unique to actually let me kill izaro?

>>152483042
good goy, now buy diablo 3 and enjoy the superior aprg

>>152483001
if that's the goal they'd be better off going full p2w because a game can sustain itself on <1k heavy RMTers. i played this dogshit of a game called battle of the immortals and it did exactly that.

>>152483101
Storm Call you fucking retard

An observer is watching an athlete swim. He can't swim himself but he watches the athlete and takes notes. The observer then starts to teach his swimming notes to other swimming athletes and some minors. The athletes don't give a shit because they already know how to swim at a professional level and are irritated by the observer pushing his teachings. The minors gladly accept the observers teachings. Over time the beginners became very depend on the observer’s notes. All they know is one single style of swimming where the other athletes already know everything. It takes the athlete a few mins to teach the minors a walmart of new skills while the observer only had skills from observing swimmers before he started teaching. The observer gets mad and starts taking down new notes to expand his teachings. At this point the minors have become athletes through raw experiences from other athletes while the observer is trying to teach things that he has no experience in.

>>152483207
Who are the RMTers selling to if there's no one left to play? Why would a RMTer sell to another RMTer? Ah yes, give me real money for this virtual currency so I can buy virtual currency with real money.

>>152483342
I've tried it but the damage is still real low.

>>152483726
and Orb of Storms is better how you dumbass? you can only have one active at any time

>>152483593
yes actually because they have different needs. one rmter needs resources the other needs gear upgrades. and they're virtually infinite. so they keep feeding into each other's rmt habit. all few hundred of em.

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This thread is some quality entertainment

btw I RMT and use zoomhack (no bully)

>>152483819
I'm not putting orb in the mjolner, it's just there to proc when using lightning strike, hoping to improve single target, but it isn't much.

>>152482091
Why am I even trying to talk to you. you do things like this:

>Yes you will
and
>No it wouldn't. You're not supporting anything you're posting.
In the same fucking post.

But first about the balancing problem I talked about: Can you elaborate how this is supposed to work? The "Value" stat is just another stat like damage? so when defs nerf a stat they have to nerf value alongside? When something gets too strong, its value is increased by the devs? Oh this is golden. Here I'm really starting to get mad: DOESN'T THE FUCKING FREE MARKET DO THIS ALREADY? WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT?

Oh oh, but it wouldn't have an impact on the meta. Yea right, its not like everyone would run the best VALUE build when its guaranteed to not get any more expensive? Ah but yea then the devs realize it and make it more expensive or nerf it.(great that just cost us a couple hours of dev time that would have instantly happened on the free market but whatever) Oh yea what happens next: All people finnishing their build are either buttblasted over the nerf or make a fortune by selling their now much more valuable stuff. And guess who those poeple are going to be: Your beloved to 1%.

Also some other problems arise (aside from consuming arbitrarily large amounts of dev time for nothing): How do you solve the commodity trade issue that we dont have a baseline currency? Are all items just valued in what, alt shards?

>>152484050

you don't know what you're talking about.

i remember when poeg had 6 players in the top 10

now it's just.... shit

fuck shitcrows

>>152483001
Of course it isn't, im with you.

All the features of the games are completely disconnected from each other to favor RMTers which in return alienates all the rest of the players

everything has a ridiculous RNG barrier that breaks the game

>can't progress by yourself because everyone requires an absurd amount of currency and trading is just cheaper
>Since everything is so expensive and takes so long you end up playing a build you don't want for 99% of the duration of your playthrough
>Game can't be balanced correctly because if you balance the game around the normal user the top players will destroy the game, so they are forced to balance it around the top who not only play the whole day but in parties with Mfinders. The disparity is massive
>So the leveling is entirely fucked to favor casuals and the mapping is also fucked from mid high onwards to favor RMTers

>Theres essentially nothing to work towards to in the game nor sense of progression nor points of reference to check how strong you are outside of atziri/uber atziri or end game maps and such but even then those requires a shit ton of grinding and only a few % gets to see it
>all you can do is grind currency to trade for items

>>152483593
Theres a famous forum where you can trade virtual items from one game for other stuff

>>152484050
>>Yes you will
>and
>>No it wouldn't. You're not supporting anything you're posting.
>In the same fucking post.
The onus is on you to support your claim. I've already described the extent of it necessary. You're just saying some part of it won't work without any supporting details as to why. So to counter: yes it will work because you haven't given a scenario where it won't. And before you do, I already know your scenario is going to be based upon your inability to challenge your preconceived notions on what trade should be. Ergo you're going to give a reason that doesn't work in current system because of your opinion which has fuck all to do with fixed pricing.

>But first about the balancing problem I talked about: Can you elaborate how this is supposed to work?
Exactly how it currently does. Take a wild guess why the developers set currency drops rates and adjust them. It's literally because of the player economy. They already do this. Now apply it to fixed pricing. And consider that the fixed prices will now be based directly on an item's mods.

>How do you solve the commodity trade issue that we dont have a baseline currency? Are all items just valued in what, alt shards?
Because prices are fixed, they will then be able to fix the price of currency to itself. Nothing you can possibly say as a response to this will be anything more than reiterating the point that you're incapable of challenging your preconceived notion of what trade should be ergo more, "my personal opinion of price matters so this won't work".

>>152484548
>everything has a ridiculous RNG barrier that breaks the game
End game can be beaten in under a week with SSF gear. As evidenced by the last two SSF events. Trading merely expedite the process.

>>152485283
Doesn't matter if you can beat it spamming flame totems

thats fucking boring

And it doesn't invalidate anything i said

>>152485448
Your entire premise is based around your perception of the game as a shit player who can't reach and beat end game being SSF. So it invalidates pretty much everything you say.

>>152485283
trading allows you to reasonably play more than a handful of builds

>>152485629
its not that i cannot come up with builds that beat the end game, its just take too much grind to get there and if you have bad luck you have to start over again

and you have essentially no reliable way of controlling the outcome of anything you do in the game

And again the endgame is only 1 of the complaints , its not just me either, 1 or 2 weeks into every league people just quit and i bet thats when they beat the 3 difficulties or at early mapping

>>152484612
How is the onus on me when we're talking about your hypothesis that fixed trade is the solution to PoE's trad "problem" that isn't even one.

I'm not trying to say it wont work, I'm saying its a bad choice of a system for a game like path of exile (besides it completely contradicts GGG's design philosophy when it comes to balance).

What I'm trying to say is that this system will make the game completely stale and straight out stupid. Metas are already a problem, and this won't help, on the contrary.

Furthermore will it eat dev time for nothing the free market doesn't allready accomplish.

The entire point of an economy is a self regulating balance tool, and you would completely shit on that purpose for the meager gain of trading speed and simplicity.

>>152486121
>How is the onus on me when we're talking about your hypothesis that fixed trade is the solution to PoE's trad "problem" that isn't even one.
Because I gave the supporting details and you said, "no it won't work". The part I respond to is the part where you describe why it won't work, until them, you get "yes it will" to counter.

>I'm saying its a bad choice of a system for a game like path of exile (besides it completely contradicts GGG's design philosophy when it comes to balance)
No, you have not once said this prior to now. You're shifting goal posts. If it contradicts GGG's design philosophy then they're contradicting their own with fixed price uniques, currency, six links, six sockets, etc all in Master Crafting. As well as fixed prices when selling shit to vendors. Even if GGG's intention is to have a barter economy, having a fixed price one instead is perfectly in harmony and could be a drop in replacement for it. Obviously that's not the current system so all you're doing is saying, "that's not the current system". Well, no shit.

>Furthermore will it eat dev time for nothing the free market doesn't allready accomplish.
The free market allows botting and RMT of items to flourish. Fixed pricing fucks over item RMT and drastically reduces the efficiency of botting. Likewise players who regularly rely on handouts to win ladder won't be able to so easily.

>The entire point of an economy is a self regulating balance tool
And it fails to because the developers have to constantly balance the game because of imbalanced shit created by the economy. Just to take the most obvious example: Vaal Orbs once dropped like fucking candy. They had to make them quite uncommon after. These changes happen constantly, just in different ways. When they consider to release a new item they must consider immediately the impact the player economy will have

>>152485934
1 week of casual playing is nowhere close to "too much grind." You're just bad at the game and will blame RNG for your shortcomings.

Other casual shits like you quitting 2 weeks into a league is irrelevant. The game has been casualized enough for crybabies like you.

>>152486904
>If it contradicts GGG's design philosophy then they're contradicting their own with fixed price uniques, currency, six links, six sockets, etc all in Master Crafting.
It's not contradictory at all, merely pitting deterministic crafting versus non-deterministic crafting. Trading is an entirely different beast.

>>152486904


>Because I gave the supporting details and you said, "no it won't work". The part I respond to is the part where you describe why it won't work, until them, you get "yes it will" to counter.

I'm not saying it wont work I pointed out a negative aspect it probably will have. You cant counter something like that with "thats not gonna happen"

>The free market allows botting and RMT of items to flourish. Fixed pricing fucks over item RMT and drastically reduces the efficiency of botting. Likewise players who regularly rely on handouts to win ladder won't be able to so easily.
That's LITERALLY the only fucking thing it does. Not that important as people will always find ways to cheat.

>>152486904
what he said. Moving the goalpost whatever, I say that system is shit for Poe, hows that moving the goalpost.

>>152487524
1 week of casual playing is what it takes to get through the 3 difficulties

1 week of casual playing won't net you anything else in the game

The game has not been casualized, its been ruined because of wanting to have 2 separate games to protect RMTing

>>152488235
So you're bad at the game. Why do you need to repeat yourself? This invalidates anything you say about the game.

>>152487924
>It's not contradictory at all, merely pitting deterministic crafting versus non-deterministic crafting. Trading is an entirely different beast.
The only non contradictory part comes when you accept that you're flat out wrong. Being able to buy a Unique item from a Master Crafting vendor instead of trade for it is literally fixed pricing and has nothing to do with crafting in any way, shape or form outside of being sold from a Crafting vendor. And deterministic vs non deterministic would exist whether the item price was fixed to the item or in a vendor so it doesn't preclude my scenario in any way, shape or form.

>Trading is an entirely different beast
The only different part you've managed to hit on is your personal opinion of what item's should cost and not why fixed pricing isn't better.

>>152488235
git gud

it takes 6-7 hours to reach maps

>>152488757
only that masters selling uniques is as fucking random as drops and has big prerequisites. I mean come on that shit isn't even remotely comparable to fixed price trading, you're grasping at straws here.

>>152488176
>I'm not saying it wont work I pointed out a negative aspect it probably will have
And I'm pointing out it probably won't be negative because your reasoning is based solely on your failure to challenge your preconceived notion of how trade should work and nothing more. Ergo, "my opinion of price matters in a player controlled economy, your doesn't allow for player controlled prices so my opinion doesn't matter anymore but I'm gonna keep reasoning as if it does".

>That's LITERALLY the only fucking thing it does. Not that important as people will always find ways to cheat.
The severity of cheating is pretty important. For example if players could, say, type in, "GOD" and "GIVE ALL" and have invincibility and every item in the game, don't you think that would be worse than RMT and botting? Similarly, cutting the efficiency of botting to a single account and making RMT transactions beyond the scope of the average RMT'er all but eliminates it. And helps with top player handout advantage.

>what he said. Moving the goalpost whatever, I say that system is shit for Poe, hows that moving the goalpost.
Because you changed your argument from it not working to it being a bad choice. That's called shifting goalposts.

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for dumb catposter

should i use the client or play on steam

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>>152489642
>steam
the only real advantage is if the client fucks up you don't have to reinstall the whole shit

and quickly replying to your erpbuddies you degenerate

>>152488757
Can you buy every unique from master vendoring? Can you buy it with all rolls you want? Is it always available?

There is a ton of things, how hard it is to obtain that gear, how useful it is in early-mid-endgame, how soon or late you are selling it to someone, which is the actual patch, how effective it is compared with other gears...

Or we can start buying 20q enlighten support gem offering divine orbs. 16q added chaos damage support gem? Meh, 1 alch. Thats Catarina's price, so...

>>152489259

1. Dont bug me with you're failure to challenge preconceived notion bullshit anymore pls, ive long understood what you want. you're dodging the point. Ill make it clear for you once more: In a so predetermined environment like you wish for, players will much more than now search for the the path of least resistance, and metas will become a much more frustrating problem to deal with than now. THE. GAME. WILL. BECOME. STALE. WHEN. THE. ENVIRONMENT. IS. STALE.


>Because you changed your argument from it not working to it being a bad choice. That's called shifting goalposts.
please tell me where i said fixed trade wont work, I cant find it.

Your second point is literally: mimimimi everyone that can acquire currency so much faster than me is either a cheater, a RMT fag or a Trade Autist. How about getting gud?

>>152489893
There's no guarantee of any of these things anyway. Buying an item from a player with any given roll is random. There's no guarantee every unique will be for sale. You can't just buy anything without playing first. The fact some things can be purchased is only an example that they didn't make everything available, not that they don't already implement fixed pricing. That's rather obvious and a stupid non argument.

imagine being a GGG dev and seeing nothing but complaints and criticism about your game wherever you go

>>152490315
>In a so predetermined environment like you wish for, players will much more than now search for the the path of least resistance, and metas will become a much more frustrating problem to deal with than now
You didn't give a reason for this because your reason is, wait for it, based on your failure to challenge your preconceived notion of what trade should be. Your reasoning is circular. Until you engage fixed pricing rather than demonstrating that autists are uncomfortable with change, on the merry go round you will stay, spinny hat man.

>THE. GAME. WILL. BECOME. STALE. WHEN. THE. ENVIRONMENT. IS. STALE.
So the game will become stale when market simulator autists can't play the market in the exact same way they're used to because they're afraid of change? Interesting, I guess...

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>>152490617
That only means you have more work to do, criticism and complaints aren't bad for someone who is creating something.

>>152490617
ambivalence is a good thing in game design, at least I see people talk about it.

>>152490762
Guys, you can't tell me I didn't try. Seriously fuck this, this boy is beyond remedy. Keep on living in you're dream world were fixed price trading is a solution to anything and doesn't produce its own problems, where people don't find a way to abuse a so perfect, sparkly and safe system like yours! I hope you enjoy it!

>>152491764
>Guys, you can't tell me I didn't try. Seriously fuck this, this boy is beyond remedy. Keep on living in you're dream world were fixed price trading is a solution to anything and doesn't produce its own problems, where people don't find a way to abuse a so perfect, sparkly and safe system like yours! I hope you enjoy it!
Time for my favorite part of having these time wasting excursions with you and your ilk, argumentum ad populum and argumentum ad absurdum.

It's only fun knowing the illogical when spend all this time engaging every time. I know you're wrong the moment you reply. Thanks for the tell, I guess...

we should start a slowclap for these two autists

>>152492192
I would like to know what fixed prices fixed.

>>152492950
>two
what did he mean by this

>>152488757
>Being able to buy a Unique item from a Master Crafting vendor instead of trade for it is literally fixed pricing
Yes, and? It's still left to RNG. Not only do you need a level 8 master to have access to that possibility, you could technically reset their shop daily a thousand times and never get the unique you desire. This is not determinism, just the same RNG behind every drop in the game. This doesn't contradict GGG's philosophy of letting players decide a unique's worth at all, since the entire playerbase would still have to grind to level 8 masters to have that possibility in the first place, at which point said uniques would have dropped thousands of times already and have their price commonly agreed upon.

>>152493025
you must learn the difference between fixed eg attached and fixed eg repaired...

>>152491764
Your mistake was assuming catshitter/fixed prices autist can be reasoned with, you're merely fueling his autism every time you respond to him and give him the attention he craves so much

>>152493478
Yeah I know better now. Sorry I got triggered (oh sorry for the word, but its fitting, isn't it) and shitted the thread with my posts.

>>152490617
imagine being responsible for the pinnacle or the arpg genre and having no competitor in sight wherever you look

12 days left of catshitter shitting up the thread
looking forward to this misery

deciding between two builds to roll for next HC league. Iron will bladefall chieftain or MF caustic arrow trickster?

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>>152494145
>poe
>pinnacle

>>152494410
>MF
What year is this? Also since AoW seems to put emphasis on killing bosses and reaching higher tier maps, CA seems like a poor choice considering it has mediocre single target damage and you need gear that is typically not available early on to even reach decent clearspeed

>>152494553
name a single better modern arpg, i'll wait

>>152494410
will you run rf with that?

>>152494875
Speaking about RF. How much %life and %fire/burning/area/dot/elemental total dmg should I have when building an pure RF build? I'm trying some shit here but I dont know if its alright.

Dont know if the pathing is good and stuff, tho...

>>152494875
with what? probably not. I'm just thinking of a non-gear-dependent build that's good for a new league. Getting strength on gear will be easy enough which will scale my life and damage at the same time plus bladefall is strong as hell as is.

>>152494847
the ARPG genre isn't popular and lucrative enough for any real game devs to bother making one

>>152494847
still waiting

>>152494847
diablo 2 hd is going to cause the biggest game revival you've ever seen

>>152496220
so poe truly is the pinnacle of the arpg genre, never to be surpassed

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so lets start a tier list for builds for this great incoming league should we?

>shitcrow
post hidden

>>152496971
tier lists are for shitters
you probably follow forum guides as well

>>152496794
it isn't

the game is good in concept, but is executed and managed extremely poorly. this is the lowest quality game i've ever played in my life

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HARCORE EXP BAR DOESN'T MOVE LEFT

POOP CROW GETS FEATURES WE DON'T

IT'S NOT FAIR

>use autopotion scripts
>only play CI builds

who else /devlish/ here?

>>152497248
if poe isn't the best arpg, please refer to this post
>>152494847

Do magic maps give more exp than normal maps? Or is drop rate the only reason to use transmutation orbs on maps before doing them?

>>152497720
you try and roll pack size on magic maps which gives more monsters in a pack which translates to more xp

>>152497720
yes if they have packsize or inc magic mobs rolled

else no.

>>152497564
there's more people playing d2 than poe and d3 right now

>>152498020
where's their general?

*ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* *ALT F4* OH NO I DIED ANYWAY FUCKING LAGGG FUCKING SHIT GAMEEEEEE

maybe this time I will not die at lvl 79 in Dried Lake!

>>152498020
Not this shit again...

>>152495993
Can someone give a hint?

>>152498186
d2jsp.org one of the largest communities on the entire internet with diablo 2 being by far the most popular game discussed

>>152498572
why don't you go back there then?
this is 4chan. no one cares whatever "community" you're originally from, faggot

>>152498560
the answer is always "as much as possible"
if you need benchmarks to hit, you're new and should fuck off

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>>152498870
>unironically claims poe is the pinnacle arpg
>gets blown the fuck out
>starts telling people to fuck off

L M A O

leave at once you odious little polyp

>>152499257
sorry i don't care about your shit game being popular in whatever place that is not /vg/

do you come from reddit or something?

>>152499530
global rule 2

>>152499714
i only live by one global rule, and that is not to be a stupid faggot paying real life money for pixels

a rule you seem unashamed of breaking you d2jsp advertising little cock sucking retard

>>152483995

Where can I get zoomhack?

>>152499257
>this outside community is so much better than 4chan
>why are you telling me to leave???

>>152498572
>d2jsp.org one of the largest communities on the entire internet
d2jsp has like 900k people, 4chin has 18 million

>but but /vg/ has way less than that
and d2jsp doesn't even have that many people playing d2 these days

you're a dumb dumb, I bet you have less than 10k fg.

catshitter's idea of playing a game is letting a bot run overnight then trade those pixels for virtual forum currency

let that sink in for a second

>>152499975

buy a 4k monitor

>>152500423
the only thing that's gonna sink in is my dicc in ur mum, kid

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>>152499065
lul

It is not like I'm not investing in more life or dmg.

204% life
141% total dmg

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAABAAMEA3UEswUtBg4J2Qn2C2EMXxQgFm8YVhkuGjgabBp6HKcc3CBZIWAkqicvJ-0o-ikuKaU1kjboNuk62DrhPAU8LT38QKBBh0WdTeNQR1NSU6VXDVh3WK9eE18EXz9hUmh0aPJvO3TtdPF2rHgNeWh674IHgpuCx4Nfg8yGYIzPjxqQVZErlKCYrZo7muCdrp_fogCmMqZXpwipbq2Nr2yxW7Xytz64k8AawQTE9sauykbPftIh1HzYTdi92WHZfNpi4XPireNq6-7sOO8O707vfPAf8azyQfJF9kj56P4K_o8=

Still have some life nodes to get, I just want to know if this is enough to run red maps at this lvl. And if it is a decent dmg bonus. Dunno if that was a good pathing, tho.

>>152502050
go back to d2jsp retard you're not welcome here

0-4 watch the reader
5-9 masturbate

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why does d3 cost $40

that's $35 too much desu

i'd play it if it were free

So the real challenge will be in making a build able to take down all of the guardians easily. It'll have to be 1handed so you can take max resist shields for hydra and phoenix, it'll need to be able to sustain without flasks, and actually deal good damage. What are your plans?

>>152504259
dumb

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>Overwatch ranked season is over
>2 weeks till new PoE season

Literally nothing to do

>>152505101
?????
I thought they removed ranked from memewatch?

>>152504643
Play a cheap build, pay some random retard 10c for each kill. Finish league challenges in two weeks and go on with my life.

>>152505101
>look at events calendar
>it's literally empty
dead game 2bh

>>152504643
>It'll have to be 1handed so you can take max resist shields for hydra and phoenix
On a default 75% res baseline, Fortify acts as a +5% max res buff (20% reduced damage taken on 25% taken) so that kind of thinking is really outdated. Ranged has consistently outperformed melee for basically any content and that's without a shield/fortify anyway.

>What are your plans?
Pop flasks, pop vaal haste, kill bosses in 5 seconds. If they don't have multiple phases like Malachai, none of their fight mechanics really matter.

it's been 2.5 years since sacrifice of the vaal, the last expansion that added any difficulty to the game

>>152505647
8 mod Core and to a lesser degree 8 mod Daresso are decently challenging. Just that they have shit loot so they are irrelevant.

Izaro is decently challenging in races too.

>>152504259

catposter doesn't have a job and lives with his mom

pathetic desu

im in the same situation as catposter
only difference is that i don't hate poe

>>152505647

Speaking of sacrifice of vaal, when are they going to make proper vaal skills??? The original idea was that vaal skills were supposed to be this "super attack" every now and then to break up the monotony but the delivered design was so retarded that you either use vaal skills as your main skill or don't use them at all.

They really need an expansion devoted to fixing all the retarded designs:
- vaal skills
- divination cards
- masters lvling

>>152506424
they can't make money off vaal skills

all they care about is making money

>>152506612
If thats the case why the fuck don't they just mimick valve's cosmetic model and integrate the steam market to the game?

You are going to have a gorillion players by inertia alone.

>>152506982
thsi game had like 65k players when it was released on steam

they're lucky to get 20k players these days

i think they're just sucking as much $$$ out of the game that they can before closing up shop and moving on. i don't think they believe this game has a future

>>152506424
>you either use vaal skills as your main skill
You can't, unless you can get enough souls with one cast that you refill your soul charges, which in itself is largely impossible except for outliers like VMS and VSpark which have been largely fixed by now. Also 100% useless against sustained fights or Izaro.

>or don't use them at all
This is more an issue of builds often not having enough socket space to allocate a 4L to a vaal skill, so only those that function well unlinked are popular

>>152507348
>Moving on onto what?

>Hi we are GGG
>the developers of that game that had tons of pontetial but we milked dry instead despite all your complaints
>this is our new game

Path of Exile is dying according to Pohx Kappa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO2cMWhIclA

>>152507348
PoE is played by 14 million players all over the world, it has an extremely bright future ahead of it

>>152507704
Also if they develop some sort of cosmetic dropping system you are going to get csgotards and dotards who are going to want to have shit to sell on steam even if they hate the game

>>152507456

>This is more an issue of builds often not having enough socket space to allocate a 4L to a vaal skill, so only those that function well unlinked are popular

Even with links most vaal skills are useless.

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>>152507864
>shitcrows unironically believe this

>>152507981
the fact that GGG can shit out an expansion every 6 months is evidence of this, if they were struggling with money they'd be on full maintenance mode by now

>>152508315
>an """""""""""""expansion""""""""""""

>>152507952
Most skills are useless too. This is not an issue exclusive to Vaal skills. If you look at the ratio of useful/useless skills, vaal skills are certainly better than their regular counterparts. So they do deliver in that sense, especially those that offer extra utility rather than just being a charged up slightly more powerful cast.

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http://poeurl.com/JtT

What am I doing wrong? Should I just ditch the armour nodes? becasue 100% isn't much but I could use it since I'm going armour+es gear. It's storm call crit.

>>152508315

M8, 14 million is the amount of created accounts, not active players. But anyway you are getting baited hard.

>>152508397
How can a game be dying yet still follow the development schedule it has started years ago? Riddle me this, catshitter

>>152509132
they were pushing out more content years ago, retard. and it was better content too

>>152506284

you're fucked

no really, you're fucked

i mean it, you're royally fucked

take my word for it, there is absolutely no hope for you since, did i say it, you're utterly fucked

>>152509249
>better
Only true for racing.

If the optimization is as good as they claim, then that would be the best content so far.

>>152509783
it isn't

i've tried the multithreading. it didn't make a difference

>>152509783
>If the optimization is as good as they claim

Its really not.

All it does is give you a 20% fps increase. It doesn't prevent stutters, it doesn't help with spammy builds like CoC, it doesn't do much on vsync enabled, it doesn't help with ground effects.

Really sad that this is like their second or third big optimization attempt and it hardly makes a difference.

Maybe one day I can play this fucking game without runescape textures.

Beginner tips?

>>152510260
play d3

>>152510305

I did

>>152509249
How could they have been pushing more content if their team was a third of the size it is today, did everyone work 3 times as hard back then? Leagues were also 4-month long instead of 3-month long now, so that was a 25% less new content release rate with only 3 leagues a year instead of 4.

>>152509997
based dualcore bro

>>152510439
they held many more race seasons back then, released more skill gems, meta-changing balance patches every two weeks, separate HC/SC leagues, leagues and expansions were fundamentally game changing rather than just icing on the cake like they are now

>>152508505
>>152507952
The problem with the skills is that they are all the same. Whats the difference between all the arrow skills? They are either single target or they are aoe

Most of the skills override themselves mechanically, only difference ends up being the element/chaos

The elements in the game don't really have much bearing on the build of your character since they mostly scale off spell damage/elemental

So of course you are going to pick the one that deals the most base damage or scales better. Its the same with all melee skills when EQ was introduced

And its the same shit that happened to vaal skills. Why would you use any skill that isn't the vaal one since you can most likely keep spamming it all the way to the boss which is what happened with vaal sparks

and of course this is a fundamental problem with the skill tree and the skill gem system . Uniques could have kinda helped fix the problem but since they are all mostly shit theres nothing left

>>152510260

A corrupted vaal area in the sceptre of god houses Wiraq who enrages on low life and instantly nukes your shit to standard

>>152508505

>Most skills are useless too

Yeah, no. You can make almost every skill viable in late game.

>>152510708
>they held many more race seasons back then
That's not new content, racing has also expanded with many more race types.
>released more skill gems
Of course, when your pool of skill gems is small to begin with, any addition might seem like a huge increase. This is not true anymore.
>meta-changing balance patches every two weeks
If your "meta" is being changed every 2 week, your game is in a sorry state and there's no balance to speak of.
>separate HC/SC leagues
Only means content was diluted. Are two leagues with respectively Anarchy and Onslaught really more content than Anarchy + Onslaught in one?

>leagues and expansions were fundamentally game changing
Forsaken Masters, Awakening and Ascendancy were not game changing? Are you retarded?

>>152510673
i have an overclocked 6600k

>>152511042

>The problem with the skills is that they are all the same. Whats the difference between all the arrow skills? They are either single target or they are aoe

No, are you retarded? How is tornado shot, ice shot ,explosive arrow, caustic arrow "the same" ?? Literally every one of those skills is mechanically different from the other.

>>152511286
Give me a 4L and I can make almost every vaal skill viable in late game too. In Perandus I was steamrolling red maps with just a Vaal Caress on a build that cost no more than 20c.

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fuck
shit
crows

>>152511551
No they aren't. All they do is aoe damage, they offer nothing outside of that

>>152511747
Fuck off catshitter, you've never been good at the game, and you've had years to improve.

>>152511747
what a dumb post

>>152502253
Such sad...

>>152511796

>these skills are all the same, lemme use my quill rain with caustic arrow and explosive arrow coz its just same aoe damage xDDDD

Based retarded shitcrow

The first hardcore challenge league was literally slapping +20% attack/cast and movement speed to monsters and calling it a day. SUCH CONTENT MUCH WOW, WHY DID GGG SELL OUT

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>>152512430
>3 skills deal aoe damage
>o look x item lets me do more aoe damage
>its to totally not the same

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>>152511796
In fact, EQ, KB and memeblast are all the same.

All they do is aoe damage, they offer nothing outside of that.

>>152512819
>that one guy who never got past D3's complex DPS system

>>152511371
my point is there was always something going on. always something to be excited for. these days the game is unequivocally dead for 9 months of the year

>>152512823
You wouldn't be wrong

>OC cpu by 23%
>gain 35 fps

wow lol