/mcg/ - Minecraft General

Don't make another thread ever again. We're done here.

that was odd

>>151599349

nice going...

I wish there was a mod that let you brainwash mobs and turn them into some kind of thaumcraft golem or computercraft turtle.

>>151603228
horizons lets you turn them into wolves

Apparently the only decompiler which supports Minecraft correctly is LexManos's fork of Fernflower, which, conversely, has the flaw of coming from an old, decompiled version of the codebase. IntelliJ's fork has similar issues to the original when handling the generics data left in by 1.8.3+, while Cuchaz's patched Procyon has other strange problems. We haven't tried CFR yet, but it might be better to contribute generics handling fixes to IntelliJ, as that would benefit much more than just Minecrafters.

Also, Forge is apparently accepting optimizations now, starting with a new cloud renderer which should boost FPS across the board by 10%: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2872

>>151603508
Just so you know - decompilation itself works fine with both Procyon and CFR; the problem with Procyon is that it doesn't seem to accurately detect that a method belongs to Minecraft in some interfaces, and that might be specific to Cuchaz's fork - however, the fork patches are necessary to get Enigma to detect anything at all...

>>151603253
But i don`t want wolves, i want better than this,
i want that minotits from Grimoire of Gaia to be
my lumberjack slave.

>>151603856
Rip out flesh golem texture/model and shove in minos

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>>151603856
>But i don`t want wolves, i want better than this

>>151603927
i tried shit like that some time ago, hitbox of a golem is 1 block hight, almost any other mob has 2 block hight hitbox, golem AI is making them suffocate in a walls and also stuck in wires and other blocks with custom models.

>>151603998
huehuehue

Anybody know how to add extra plates to Tinker's Defense armour? I tried both types of plates and no donut

is there an "official" /mcg/ discord?

>>151611015
there was but nobody used it so I deleted it

>>151603508
>starting with a new cloud renderer

Why is that part of Forge? When did it stop being an API and start being FPSPlus?

What is your FAVORITE mod?

What genre of mod is your favorite?

Tech? Magic?

>>151613808
In Minecraft 1.2.5, when it got a mod loader. Granted, it was infinitely better than Risugami's, but that's when it stopped that.

>>151613808
>replace cloud renderer
>gain 0.01 fps
>game still takes 5 minutes to start

>>151614969
Actually, it gains about 9.8% of the FPS - which is fairly notable.

As for the start time - not much Forge can do about it. They could stop creating texture/model maps twice (immibis fixed that in his fork) and they could also deobfuscate the Minecraft .JAR at installation time (immibis at least planned fixing that in his fork).

It appears immibis did not quite quit modding, however -> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2770

>>151615268
9.8%? Calling serious bullshit on that.

>>151615375
Proven with profiling ("In the profiler, this new renderer gets ~0.47% of gameRenderer time when I have a 16 chunk render distance, as opposed to vanilla clouds' ~9-11%."), however that's only for Fancy clouds IIRC (Fast clouds get a smaller improvement).

The Mojang cloud renderer is really slow. In fact, that's one of OptiFine's optimizations - but its implementation is slightly worse compared to this one, as it doesn't rewrite it to use VBOs and faster calculation, but simply caches Mojang's output in a display list.

>>151615268
>immibis
>not the hero we deserved, but the one we needed

Too bad none of the changes will make their way to 1.7

>>151615647
Actually, his change was already worked on by cpw as part of Project FAIL. The project involves moving Forge's lifecycle to be centered around servers, which will cause things like the registry initialization to happen there - and, in turn, let server-side mods add simple client-side content not unlike Mojang's own planned W10 API.

>>151615268
turning off clouds doesn't even give you a 9.8% fps boost

>>151615805
You also forgot it might vary from computer to computer.

To give a real-world example, BetterFPS works by replacing Mojang's sine table (which eats 256KB of CPU cache in the worst case) with a fast approximation function. On CPUs with low internal cache (Intel Atoms, for example), this will free major amounts of cache to be used for more important code and data, bumping the FPS by as much as 50%! However, on CPUs with very large internal cache (high-end Core i7s are a good example), this will not add much more space for important things and, effectively, slightly slow down the game by spending more CPU ticks on doing the fast approximation compared to a simple lookup.

>>151615958
except nobody has ever reported or proven a 50% boost in performance from any of those supposed performance mods

whoever wants their cloud code in forge is fudging their numbers

>>151616123
>except nobody has ever reported or proven a 50% boost in performance from any of those supposed performance mods

It has been proven in the FPSPlus thread with at least one screenshot-based report >inb4 screenshots and videos can be faked - what other proof do you suggest? and I'm pretty sure I saw a few text-based reports.

As I said, it's tied to the amount of cache you have, and honestly - at least this specific example makes perfect sense anyway: Mojang uses trigonometry in their rendering and entity updating code a lot.

>>151616327
no amount of cpu cache causes java math routines to boost your performance by 50%

>>151616480
Mojang doesn't use Java's math routines. (Neither does LibGDX, in fact - LibGDX's routines is what BetterFPS uses) Java's routines are oriented more towards accuracy than performance. Mojang simply uses LUTs for trigonometry. Oversized LUTs.

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>>151616848
>implying this wasn't intentional bait

>>151616327
I tried every one of those performance boosters on my old slow machines and never saw more than 1 fps difference.

>>151616848
are they kidding?

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>>151616848
i fucking knew there was a catch
there just had to be a catch
why would mojang ever do anything nice?

>>151616924
It honestly depends on everything from your computer's parts, your OS (Linux is generally better), your Java version, your Java configuration flags, the amount of allocated RAM (too much is nearly as bad as too little), etc.

>>151616848
explain this shit to retard, there will be shown mcpe modding api at minecon, right?

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So I'm playing on 1.10 and installed Tinkers Construct and everything worked fine until I decided to relocate the tool stations etc, when I merely left-click any of them, the game crashes
What could be the cause

>>151617048
You know what they say. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

And Linux is slower in most cases

>>151617203
>What could be the cause
1.10

>>151613876
TFC is my favorite, followed by Thaumcraft. Anythimg is good as long as its cohesive and quality

>>151617135
yes, and people assumed it would be PC API from the first tweet

>>151617221
I'm speaking from multiple people's experiences, at least about the Linux thing - Linux as an OS simply copes better with the load of Java and Minecraft.

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>>151617497
fucking mojew, fuck you.

>>151616848
link?

>>151617993
https://twitter.com/_grum/status/764417838278926336

>>151616848
i fucking knew, why the fuck something good should happen?

Since I've been forced to use FMP in this pack by Mekanism already, should I bother getting Project Red? I kind of miss RP2 but I'm not sure so asking the experts of miney crafta might be a good idea.

>>151619117
Project: Red is mostly ripoff features from other mods. Get the more performance-efficient RedLogic unless you really want worldgen and FMP support.

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asie FUCK OFF

>>151619331
link to thread?

>>151619331
I was talking about the IRC which is in no way affiliated with this general and hasn't been for over a year.

>>151619293
>unless you really want worldgen
Man you can't even begin to wonder how fucking much I miss those volcanos.
not at all

>>151619647
if its not, why is it stated in the OP then?

>>151620152
No idea - the channel doesn't even call itself the Minecraft General IRC anymore, and hasn't for months. (However, we do answer Minecraft questions if asked, and we do discuss current events from time to time.) Most of its regulars don't even lurk the thread anymore and have been forgotten.

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>>151620515
and now you changed it you fuck

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What are you nerds listening to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LeSFBy2bZU

>>151621517
The intended recipent got the note, and I honestly forgot about it - but since you're so annoyed about the reference I removed it.

>>151621885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRhmKuD9x8

Nothing better for killing lots of mobs to.

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Finally getting my inventorium setup. r8 h8?

>>151621885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WGNd8QR-U&index=14&list=RDm3UgeEbI028

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>>151616848
>HEY GUYS, WE'RE FINALLY WORKING ON THE MODDING API!
>community cheers
>F-for Pocket Edition
>community boos

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>>151599349
>That webm

Holy fucking god I want it.

>>151622479
I guess an API would be necessary for a C++ game, while we've been hooking into the .jar file for years.

>>151623092
Yeah, true. Still, given the MS reveal at E3, don't be surprised if it's the "Plugin API" that Dinnerbone was trying to hype for years.

>>151620515
>people actually wanting a name associated with 4chan

i'll never understand

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>>151621885
Since my playlist contains a lot of this album, I'll just link this
>The Butchers and the Builders: Western Medicine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClS3QHYhEPw

The rest is a few other songs from the same band, a handful of one-offs from others, and a cluster of music from Railroad Tycoon.

>>151623196
It's a side effect of history. We started as the /mcg/ IRC, but that was a long time ago, and now nobody wants to move.

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>Tinker's Defense lets you customize the icons (for weapons) and models (for armor) of your Tinkers' gear
Wow, I might actually install Tinker's Constructs.

>>151625508
Aside from Iguana's, Tinker's is pretty fairly balanced. Metallurgy and ETiC do put a skew on it, but I'm not sure if that's just changes on the serb or base options (Ceruclase being probably the best early game option) but overall base Tinker's is pretty good.

>>151623042
I am not 100% sure but I think it's veinminer

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>>151616848
Haha, fuck you too mojang

At least we don't have to hold onto a faint glitter of hope for months.

Are there any good coherent modpacks that mix magic mods, exploration mods, and maybe a few tech mods?
And not ones I make. They tend to turn out the opposite of coherent.

>>151625809
>fairly balanced
>even without an iquana or extra shit, it still obsoletes every other single-function tool ever
>it is designed in a way where you actually have to force people to do anything but the MOEST AWPTIMUL configurations because such configurations even exist

shill, please.

>>151629427
>wah this mod's tool is better than these mods' tools
>wah i want people to play the game MY way

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>>151625809
Jesus Christ, how about you fuck off and go gargle on TiCon's cock somewhere else? I'm just sharing a feature I found interesting, I'm not interested in being lectured by a shill who completely ignores the serious issues and design flaws TiCon has.

>>151629427
>complaining about a mod making "it's just another pick" tools obsolete

mmm mmm I sure do love my obsidian and emerald pick from billy's first mod

just cuck me up with that good ol vanilla enchant system

Now, i am not a big fan of tcon myself, since I like other mods NONsingle function tools.

But come on, if a mod adds vanilla-style tools, you aren't missing out on much. Unless said tool if better than a diamond pick, it's already out of competition with vanilla itself.

>>151630635
>Mod that makes it so you don't have to rely on one of the rarest resources in the game
I think it was designed to be better than a Diamond Pick merely because of all the mods out there that go "In order to progress to the next tier, you need to spend like five blocks of diamonds. Good job, now spend ten more to get further." which can be infuriating when you have to spend nearly a stack of diamonds just on gear.

At least with vanilla, there's nothing that really demands diamonds other than armor and tools. In modded, basically any mid+ tier things require diamonds, some more than others. Easing off this demand would be a good thing, unless you want to mine for decades if all you want to use is things that aren't considered "MAWPC" like Tinker's tools, quarries, RFTools/Mystcraft, EE, or whatever other bullshit.

Bang rocks in a cave for all I care. I'll run around with a non-diamond pickaxe that does as good as yours because I'd rather spend diamonds on things that demand it.

>>151621885
This is the only youtube video I could find, but I'm listening to this album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dB_r6TL8TA

Protip: don't listen to lullabies while playing minecraft at 3 am unless you want to feel creepling loneliness.

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Lads how do I make a fucking server that me and my friends can play on without having to port-forward?
I remember back in the day we just used Hamachi, but now that doesn't work, has anything changed? Also, this is what Hamachi says when I hover over my friends.

>>151621885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU9dVV6gY7Q

>>151632654
>without having to port-forward
nu-uh. Hamachi is terrible.
you'll have to gitgud and port-forward your router.

its fucking simple I don't understand why people make a big deal about it.

>>151636598
because my ISP is complete trash and will only let you acces the router panel through their website, which is super outdated and terrible, I've looked at guides and there's no such thing as port forwarding or allow ports option in there.

>finally give Immersive Engineering a try
>pitiful power outputs of all early power generation
>no middle-tier power generation
>very expensive upper-tier power generation
>machines are all higher-tier and power hungry multiblocks
>lots of iron and copper required
>rips off Railcraft
>no incentive to use it over conventional mods other than aesthetics

wew lads, you made me think this was actually a good mod.

>>151639038
It's good in conjunction with other mods. The Excavator is a fantastic option to the quarry (as it produces ores, but only in a certain chunk) but the energy production is fairly laughable and it's very resource hungry. Granted they look pleasingly aesthetic, but they're hilariously inefficient.

>>151639038
maybe this mod just isn't for you

have you considered thermal expansion? it even has a creative energy block you can spawn in just for the type of person who can't be fucked actually earning progression, like you

>>151639548
>being this defensive over a reskinned IC2

>>151639038
As someone who hasn't played it, i think one of the only intriguing aspects to me is the wires. it's a nice concept having wires be actual wires and not block by block tubes
Has any standalone mod made power transfer wires?

>>151639704
at least IE has aesthetics, unlike IC2

>>151640427
>he wants aesthetics in a game about cubes

>>151639959
the wires are tedious. you can't break a block without the stupid things popping off, they can only run a certain distance, and they're just a source of lag

>>151632830
I like this

>>151640590
>>he wants aesthetics in a game about cubes
>t. faggot who powergames through progression and then stops playing

>>151641121
>implying IE has progression and hasn't just made the same old stuff take longer

wew there ftb fan

>>151641225
and this is different from any other mod how?

>>151639038
>pitiful power outputs of all early power generation
>90 free rf/t for the low price of wood and liquid garbage.
you usually use big reactors don't you

>>151641719
big reactors is the opposite kind of bad, so no.

as for IE, it's just one big gimmick that only low-intelligence players, hipsters, autists, and kids fall for.

>>151640590
>He doesnt want aesthetics in an unaesthetic game

Why not play something with substance then?

>>151642152
I enjoy the game by not making it into something it's not.

but hey enjoy your shaders and 256x256 realism texture packs

>>151641990
>ignoring what I said because you know you can't defend what you said
please put more effort into your next attempt at trolling please

>>151642281
I directly replied to what you said, you illiterate cunt

stop defending this mod so hard, jesus. you're going to get your curse dollars no matter what.

>>151642470
>stop defending this mod so hard, jesus
Look, I'm not the guy you're sperging out at, but you should know you sound mad as fuck over nothing.

Go to the corner. You can come out and play with your digital legos once you've learned how to act like a big boy.

>>151643097
I wasn't mad, I was pointing out the flaws in this candy-coated clone mod. Then you came along all buttjerked that someone dare speak ill of it.

Grow up, people will download your shitty mod anyway.

>>151642274
You really shouldnt project, desu fambalamb.
I too am against those things, especially pictures for blocks that is "Realistic" packs.

Shaders are just pure garbage.

>>151628964
Glimmer of hope. The expression is GLIMMER of hope.

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>>151643262
>I wasn't mad
Lol wow that's really convincing.

No talking in the time-out corner, faggot.

>>151642470
but you never addressed how you are wrong about early game powergen being shit, if anything it's too good. it's really obvious when you start name calling as soon as someone disagrees with, subtlety is key

>>151643604
It's cute that you think criticism is being mad. Especially when it was legitimate criticism.

It must suck to be so sensitive about video game mods. I'd hate to see how you act in real life if you ever left the house. I bet you can't even look at someone while talking.

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What should I use as the ground for the docks?

>>151643831

Like ship docks?

Stone or log blocks.

>>151643679
>insult first
>get insulted back
>play the victim

okay kid

>>151643814
>legitimate criticism
Please quote the post containing your criticism. Is it hidden under the shitposting and complaining?

If you keep talking in the time-out corner, you're not getting a juice box.

unrelated, but there's an autistic kid who plays on our server. he's the only one who uses IE. we snip his power cables every time he logs off and convince him it's a bug as revenge for all his retarded autistic behavior.

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Hey, at least you're discussing actual mods today. Always look on the bright side of life, /mcg/.

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>>151643996
Well this is still partially inland. I'll have stuff like booths, a customs office, a port authority, etc in this area and then have the piers themselves extend out.

Don't mind my testing ideas there.

>>151644196
Can't wait until you kill yourself.

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>>151643814
I think it's all the ad hominem you're spewing that tipped him of that you are, in fact, mad as hell
>>151644005
>I'm so sensitive that I see people disagreeing with me as an insult

>>151644464
When you kill yourself, no one will care. :)

IE doesn't even have a transport system worth a shit. The 1.7.10 version doesn't have vertical belts, and they can't slope, so it's literally worthless.

then there's the GUI-less machines, which had nothing to do with design and more about the dev's laziness. accidentally drop something in a crusher? too goddamn bad, it's gone, because muh realism.

seriously, worst mod ever, I can't believe people are dumb enough to play it

>>151644457
Cobblestone for the ground that meets up to a stone brick wall along the water.

Done.

>>151644737
I don't play IE so I have no opinions on it, but

>dumb people play it
>drop something in a crusher and it's gone

there's some irony in this post. But I guess it's true, you would have to be dumb to drop something you care about in a machine that appearantly destroys shit?

probably the same people who lose things to lava or creepers.

Hey guis!!! I think [controversial mod] is awesome! and [beloved mod] is kinda shit, people should have fun with it because [core mechanic].

also, that [controversial modder] is really a great person with awesome ideas!

>>151644737
I agree about the belts being shit. Have you tried not playing it?
>>151645049
>probably the same people who lose things to lava or creepers.
tryhard anon please stop, no one is impressed.

>>151645049
no, retard who has nothing to do with this conversation. there might be times you're building over top of it, you break a block, you don't catch it, it's gone. magic block gui-less sugar coating clone mod is bad.

>>151645363
>have you tried not playing it

oh wow, that advice, it's so great. I never thought of that.

did you ever think that I wanted to try it, found it was garbage, and then mentioned it here, only to face legions of butthurt sissies?

>>151644737
>and they can't slope,
Uhh. Yes they do.

>>151645347
fuck of you [buzzword]

>>151645703
not properly, they glitch the fuck out, and they don't acknowledge IE machines as blocks they can slope over either. it's such a badly coded mod.

>>151645745
[inflammatory statement]

>>151645502
>don't catch it, it's gone

Oh no anon your poor chisel factory block!

why do you people argue about IE? somebody here proved that it violates the EULA by giving special items to patreon supporters anyway, so I'll just go report it and have it removed and solve everyone's problem.

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>>151645829
[funpost mocking previous speaker's inflammatory statement]

>>151646060
The "special items" are only skins for the accessible-to-everyone Revolver, and as such purely cosmetic. The skins with special abilities are only given to developers and friends, not donators. The EULA is not violated, even if it seems close.

What the fuck do people even do in minecraft anymore ?

>>151646349
shitpost on 4chan from their oc computers

>>151646349
Read the thread. They complain about mods, generally.

>>151645347
[standard answer in form of explicit request]

>>151646342
bullshit, they give special properties to some items for donors

too late now anyway, it's reported

>>151643831
>>151644457

Damn, I am liking that tileset much better than the one I use. What's it called?

>>151646806
The "friends list" and "Patreon list" is the same file. Read closely.

>>151646751
>>151646061
>>151645829
>>151645745
>>151645347
[Unfunny metapost that is actually more tedious than the argument it's mocking telling you to end your lives]

>>151646945
no need, I can see a eula violator when I see one

fix your mod

>>151647069
Not my mod, but someone already asked me that question months ago so I did the research, read the .json, read the .java and made notes.

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>>151637046
Same here, anon.
>tfw I just want to play vanilla survival with friends
Feels bad, man.

>>151647145
>lying this much

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BluSunrize/ImmersiveEngineering/master/contributorRevolvers.json

>>151647245
>https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BluSunrize/ImmersiveEngineering/master/contributorRevolvers.json
>contributorRevolvers.json
>contributor

Then scroll down. Only the ones labeled "patreon" are for patrons. The "patreon" ones have no "baseUpgrades", only "renderAdditions".

>tfw you'll never enjoy building giant useless machines anymore
Why? I just want more of the IC2 magic but without the Java autism

>>151647465
>he didn't process the UUIDs to see that "contributor" doesn't mean "gave code" but "gave money"

>>151647204
we ended up using this https://ggservers.com/minecrafthosting
has a free 7 day one, not sure what happens after 7 days. Hopefully you can just export the save and make a new account

>>151647467
I haven't played it, but isn't that basically what factorio is?

>>151647561
How can you know that for sure? You'd need to compare patron lists to UUID names, and remember that BluSunrize has quite a few friends in the community, and also remember that unless there's proof of correlation it doesn't count - if someone keeps paying you $5 and you give them a complimentary skin, how can you prove you wouldn't keep the skin if they stopped paying you?

>>151647829
>nothing to see here, move along >_> <_<

>>151644529
cant check archives right now, but im pretty sure you posted this picture atleast 6 times this year

>>151647953
That's asie for you.

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>>151646916
This is John Smith.

More specifically John Smith Technicians Redux.

Even more specifically JSTR updated with all the additional community work from the github.

It's the only way I play.

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Since when is this possible?

>>151649259
you have forge microblocks installed

>>151649259
Do you have forge microparts installed?

>>151648614
because I know it upsets you ;^)

>>151647645
It lacks the 'survival' bit.

>>151648723
I'm honestly asking for actual proof, not scaremongering. I guess I could validate the UUIDs myself.

>>151649482
yeah because Eggs > everyone

>>151649619
It's money exchanged for exclusive shit. Doesn't matter if you can keep the skin afterward, keeping it is not what's violating the eula. Kill yourself.

>>151650082
Every single one of the UUIDs with non-cosmetic upgrades I checked belongs to a prominent modder or streamer. I'm working on a full list, hang on.

Why does my game get fucked when I put the render distance to 32 ? When it's around 20 it's fine.

>>151649983
what good taste

/vp/ poster here.

Is pixelmon any good? Worth buying minecraft for?

>>151650267
no
no

>>151650267
If you liked pokemon go and really hate going outside, yes.

>>151650203
I'm assuming it just takes a while for it to render then it's smooth? can someone answer that?

>>151650267
if the idea of playing basic minecraft itself doesn't appeal to you enough to buy the game, i don't know if it'd be wise to reccomend it due to a mod.

There's a good bit of controversy about that mod anyway.

(you can still play modded mc with a pirated copy. might be hard to find a piratefag mod server though)

>>151644737
IE belts do slope, faggot.

GUI-less machines? What are you, some kind of retard that needs everything spelled out for you?

>accidentally drop something in a crusher? too goddamn bad
Lol yeah I guess you are some kind of retard. "Waaaah! I dropped my pickax in lava and now it's just gone! What shitty mod added this lava?!?!"

>seriously, worst mod ever, I can't believe people are dumb enough to play it
Post your mod list so I may shit on it. Go on, open wide. I got a growler saved up for you.

What's with all the screaming retards on here today? It was relatively calm all week. I can't wait until school starts. Then you'll be some middle school's problem and not mine.

>>151650186
From top to bottom:

>BluSunrize - "fenrir" - IE developer
>Mr_Damien_Hazard - "dev" - IE creative spirit and model maker
>TTFTCUTS - "infinity" - created Avaritia; name refers to FTB: Infinity Evolved
>Rorax, AtomicBlom, FoudroyantF, ScottKillen - "sns" - rather prominent people on Twitter, beta-testers?
>Soaryn - "nerf" - ForgeCrafter
>tlovetech - "earthshaker", "oblivion" (that one is also available for BluSunrize), "oathkeeper" - prominent streamer
>MysteriousAges - "bee", "warlord" - Magic Bees developer

I do not recognize the following, but they have no upgrades anyway:

>malte0811 - "tesla"
>SkySom - "superchief"
>StoneWaves - ""/"rommie"
>harlequinnqueen - "noName"

Lex deletes asie
archive.is/a09yl (compare with https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2872)

>>151650852
On the bright side, these rage fits might bring his inevitable heart attack.

>>151650852
You forgot the source: https://twitter.com/asiekierka/status/764562484271382528

>>151650852
I wonder who will kill themselves first.

>>151650805
And those are not allowed by the eula.

>>151650852
>provides a fraction of a percent improvement
>lex doesn't understand how it works
>asie involved

recipe for a lex rage session.

>>151651074
How many years is it until lex finally delivers and kills himself?

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>>151651262
>Fyber's post
Man, I think this is the closest we've been to the modding community openly revolting against Lex.

>>151651727
Why not? If they haven't paid for it, which is a reasonable assumption given that many of them have contributed heavily to either Immersive Engineering or FTB... rewarding others unfairly for /free/ is not banned, only /monetary payment/ is.

>>151652085
You're not allowed exclusive items or skins by mod or plug in.

>>151652275
Yes you are, as long as they're given for free. You're only forbidden from exclusive *capes*, because Mojang wants a monopoly on capes.

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>>151650267
It's only really fun in multiplayer. I heard /vp/ had one, but I haven't seen a thread about it over there.

>>151652064
na, fyber is always openly hostile about lex. he apparently had his own run-ins with the faggot.

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>>151650852
Quick! post rare Lex pictures

>>151652430
No you're not, they dis allow ANY special exclusive thing. Do you really think mojang would allow for mod makers giving themselves sever privs if they're mod is being ran? Read the eula please.

>>151652774
Which part? I've read the whole thing a few times and don't remember seeing anything about it. About moderator impersonation, yes, but not that.

>>151652929
Everything they've said on twitter about it. Capes aren't mentioned explicitly in the provided but clearly they are disallowed even if free because they disallow ANY special exclusive content including paywalled shit, including free capes, including special skins. Just tweet at grum.

>>151653416
Wait, are you arguing half of all mods are illegal?

>all the dislikes on lex's posts on the original github page

beautiful

>>151653416
>implying grum even fucking understands Mojang's EULA
>implying he's even read it

the fuck are you on about anyways?
so blujewrize made some special skins for people

that FREELY OF THEIR OWN VOLITION DONATED him money with NO EXPECTATION OF A PRODUCT IN EXCHANGE

the fuck does that even matter? why are you so goddamn butthurt?

are you same anon that's mad IMMERSIVE ENGINEERING has no GUIs on its MACHINES that require time and effort read as: a quarry to obtain?
that you can't read the fucking manual?

let me go find the butthurt report forum specifically for you.

>>151654039
So is he going to cry about how everyone's against him now?

>>151654284
it's the only thing he's good at

>>151653565
I checked, and a similar clause does exist, but in the Commercial Usage Guidelines, and it applies ONLY if you charge for access to the server the mods are running on - also, the wording ("give everyone you charge access to all the Mods") is quite specific to refer to Mods, not their content.

To clarify, if that was true, you'd need to report at least Botania, Computronics, DragonAPI, GregTech, Immersive Engineering, Integrated Circuits, OpenComputers, OptiFine and Railcraft. Probably many more.

forge is the only thing that comes between lex being pennyless and forgotten. I'm not surprised to see him lash out when someone challenges it or him.

>>151654802
Already happened. He accused FyberOptic of stealing his work on Forge for his own mod loader, Meddle, even though he didn't use the mappings, the Forge code, or even his fork of Fernflower.

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>>151654226
>>151653416

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Comfy merchant booth.

>>151654226
>>151655212
Holy shit

>>151654770
If you're checking the site listed eula, you're wasting your time because for some reason they aren't listing everything related to it, like the information about caps. Ask grum if making a mod that grants you and only you special skins when installed is okay.

>>151656207
Remember that "whatever Mojang says" is not legally binding, only the EULA and related documents. Also note that OptiFine was never taken down for its capes, despite being one of THE biggest mods.

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>>151652728
>can't find the yagrum edit
shit

>>151657763
>tfw I made that edit but it's on my old dead computer

RIP

>>151655107
other modloaders must give him nightmares

>>151657394
Yeah, I think they more care about servers, since those are the things most likely to get parents sending rage emails saying "WHY THE FUCK DO YOUR SERVERS CHARGE MONEY TO PLAY ON?"

>>151658418
Yes. Remember the whole "servers charging money are bad!" started with a parent sending an e-mail to Notch.

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Who's the cuck?

>>151658630
Modder who works on a TFC-lite mod called Survivalist.

>>151658630
>my issue tracker

It's official, Lex literally thinks Forge is his.

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>>151658849
>B-BUT I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT!
>meanwhile, he actively gatekeeps against other people contributing unless they suck his dick unquestionably

>>151657394
Remember that just because it violates their eula doesn't mean it even touches anything close to a legal system. Eg: pixelmon distributing malware that violates the eula in a way that is not mentioned in the linked eula but was strong-armed into being taken down anyway. You're really avoiding asking anyone with authority these questions.

>>151659153
It wasn't strong-armed into being taken down, Mojang simply called it out on Twitter and thus garnered the attention of both the modding community and the 12-year-olds. Pixelmon removed it on their own after community feedback.

>>151653416
>implying grum knows anything
regardless of whether or not your point is valid, that's making a total fool of yourself.

grum's the retard who thinks you can load client mods by pasting URLs in chat, remember.

>>151659571
>Mojang are incompetent even at redacting an EULA, moreso enforcing it

So, a multi-million dollar enterprise, with a "solid enough" EULA had to resort to namecalling to stop some kids from trying to scam, out of sheer community pressure?
That's a new level of incompetence

>>151658630
>this is the faggot assie is constantly verbally fellating and insisting we desperately need and cannot possibly replace
I think the most depressing part is that assie doesn't recognise the problem while being slapped in the face with it.

>>151660052
They didn't namecall, grum told them to take it down and after several tweets of asie-level argumentation they folded.

>>151659571
The point is pixelmon violated extracurricular eula stipulations. You cannot have exclusive content for donations or yourself.

>>151659714
He's the employee who's most likely to respond and would definitely know what violates the eula he helped write.

>>151660259
OpenModLoader organized a nicely sized set of modders 2-3 months ago, but it already started falling apart. FyberOptic is doing his own thing, but it's strictly limited to the subsets of Minecraft's code he's targeting. Cuchaz also gave up on his loader.

Effectively, you need a replacement *first*. Consider contributing to public-domain mappings: http://github.com/asiekierka/MinecraftPOMF

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>>151661387
id contriboot, but i don't know what to even do with those mappings. I've only ever the forge sdk...

Can TC golems be set to automatically clear snow that builds up due to weather and collect the balls?

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TrainSerb down! TrainSerb down!

Apparently some faggot thought it was a good idea to have nether portals going every fucking where and his 'base' is now outrageously overrun with zombie pigmen.

>>151661387
Is OpenModLoader based on MCP? If so, we still have a problem.

>>151662869
I don't think so. There's not any that straight up mine blocks, assuming you're in TC4 and not TC5.

>>151666658
OpenMappings at the moment (another mappings project, but also dying and I'm not 100% sure as to the quality and source of the mappings it uses), but one of them was working on getting permission from MCP?

>>151666923
I am on 1.7.10 so yeah, TC4.

Any other mods that might have this kind of thing?

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These things sure are cool

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>>151667763
what mod

>>151666995
So either you use proprietary mappings and have license issues, or you use open mappings which would be different from what everyone's used to.

What a pickle.

>>151667928
Or you try to talk to Searge, which is what OML has been working on.

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>>151667858
Fairy lights, DPU

>>151668448
No, it still defeats the purpose. Then just like Forge nobody can ever fork the thing.

did anyone post lex's tantrum on leddit? it might get removed for drama, but you might be able to spin it into a "this is why modders quit" PSA

>>151669291
That's simple. You just make the deobfuscator a separate module of the API. That way, you can link everything but the deobfuscator.

My vision, in a great shortcut, was: Minecraft deobfuscator (at install time to save loading times) -> Meddle (mod loader) -> "base" API (the only thing it does is provide easy ways of hooking ASM to relative locations in Minecraft code) -> mods. All the API hooks are, effectively, mods - that way, every bit of the API's functionality (networking, registries, biomes, etc.) can be a separate mod, and you don't load unnecessary hooks unless your pack depends on them which helps keep performance closer to vanilla on smaller packs. Also, it's much easier to replace a module gone bad than an API gone bad. You could also consider dependency resolution with signed packages.

>>151669478
I'm pretty sure more modders left over LexManos's behaviour than 1.8's changes.

>>151648830
>tfw john smith doesnt have textures for the mods I use and makes them stand out like ugly shit
fug

>>151671734
What mods specifically?

which servers are not dead

>>151675171
localhost

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Anyone want to do a run through of the map Galactic Science? it's 1.7.10

i want to join hobo but im intimidated because i never played on a server

>>151667763
>>151669124
The fact that the mod author said the recipes weren't compatible with NEI kinda soured me on the whole mod.

>>151675552
It will be strange for a while, but everyone has something in common here

>>151675171
Hobo, usually. I try to get on often enough.

so wheres all the builds....
95% of this thread is all talk

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>>151678779
>hobo usually

Don't lie to the man. Hoboserb's been lucky to have 2 people on at once.

Which is a shame considering it was busy as shit just a couple of weeks ago.

>>151679487
maybe it needs a restart and shilling

to encourage new people

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>>151679183
So comfy...

>>151679573
it just had a restart, I think that was part of the problem
a bunch of mods that would normally be memed into the ground like mfr were added

>>151679183
community is all this game is good for

>>151679487
If we lie to enough people then a bunch of people will come on it.

>>151679573
Or not six types of copper. :^)

>>151679662
That's because hobo didn't create the last pack

>>151679754
>6

I think you mean 8, 9 if you include poorfag copper

the underground is a fucking mess and a forge lexicon is a vital nessesity

>>151679754
besides dir7y's incompetence in some areas, it probably doesn't help that NMS just got released , hopefully the server revives itself soon

>>151679662
>minefactory is bad
>faggotry like Tofucraft is ok

>>151681046
I never got a chance to fuck with tofu

Is there any mod that is like Timber/Treecapitator for 1.10?

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>>151684250
>wants mods for 1.10

>>151684467
I haven't kept up with Minecraft the past couple years, what's wrong with 1.10 and mods?

>>151684623
>most modders went MIA because lex is a cunt and the rendering engine was completely fug meaning they'd need to do a full rewrite
>1.10 lags terribly as soon as you start adding mods
>nothing mojang added is worth it at all and it has all been backported

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>>151684250
>>151684467
>>151684623
>>151684752
>tfw there was a similar post like mine last thread
fuck >>151285018

>>151684623
lexmanos has turned forge into a technology testing platform instead of a mod loader so everything lags to hell and back

Every time I want to learn a forge mod, I go to the wiki. Every time I go to a mods wiki its either; incomplete or so full of useless and outdated information it is incomprehensible to a new player, not that said mod would be easy to understand in the first place.

What do I do? Just give up? Are any forge mods even fun?

>>151599349
So what happened to that API that was supposed to release way back in 2012?

>>151688419
>are mods even fun
yes, only 12 year olds play vanilla
>wiki
A significant amount of mods have ingame documentation.
Those that don't are usually mechanically simple enough to figure out with out it.
And those that are neither usually have good information on them.

>>151688419
To enjoy a Forge mod you have to insert your nostrils into the friendly neighborhood circlejerk's anus. This is primarily through Direwolf20 and other ForgeCraft circlejerkers on Youtube and Twitch. This is the only place where the latest secrets of mods are revealed, because they only care about each other and not the community as a whole. This circlejerk makes sure that only certain mods achieve popularity, so that they can all make mega moola through Curse download points and pat each other on the back for being part of this club.

If you're not willing to do that then you'll just have to ask somebody here or find better mods.

>>151688826
>>151689492
Got any recommendations where to start?

What's the best shaders mod?

>>151689691
Soaryn's streams

Smart enough to abuse the mods to their fullest, crazy enough to blow shit up.

>>151689967
No, I meant for mods.

>>151689691
>play an older version where the base mechanics should be obvious and if you're too retarded for that you can also watch a youtube series from back when they were good then carry that base knowledge over to a newer version
>just go balls deep first trying and fuck with shit
>join hoboserb and just bother people with questions
>lurk and make a personal pack based on what people say about mods and just bother the thread with questions

>>151689967
>Soaryn
This nigga looks like hes 12, lol.

>>151690057
So what you're saying is just play FTB infinity? OK, I guess.

>>151690057
also for mods, just play a premade pack the first time then make your own.
I'd try one of the questing modpacks, they hold your hand through it, though the recipies will be different.
Alternatively, try tekkit, which has tekkit classic for the good old days, and the modern version of tekkit which is probably a bit outdated mod wise, as no one actually works on it anymore, but should still help with finding good mods.

>>151690386
>FTB infinity
God no, ftb is cancer.
It's a good kitchen sink collection of mods, but they're literally retarded when it comes to config. Don't use any of the "official" FTB modpacks.

>>151689691
If you're playing in survival, install JEI (or NEI if available) so you don't have to constantly look up recipes

Pick 1.10.2, 1.9.4, or 1.7.10 depending on what mods you want to look into (1.8 was mostly skipped)

Most of the 1.9.4 mods seem to have 1.10.2 versions and vice versa

1.7.10 has quite a few mods that haven't been updated to 1.8/1.9/1.10 so you may want to have an instance for that too, the performance is a bit worse than the later versions though so you may want to keep optifine or fastcraft handy

The MultiMC launcher tends to make installing this shit easier

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Are villages supposed to perfectly be able to spawn rl dungeons in them?

I can't assume this is just a coincidence, it fits in too well, but i've never seen it do this before.

>>151690626
Hoboserb's pack is only barely better than Infinity.

>>151691838
I've frequently seen RLs with that surface structure spawn in close proximity to a village, so I'd assume it's somewhat intended, but I've never seen one actually /inside/ a village

>>151692087
it WAS better
until stuff like bigreactors and mfr got added

>>151691838
yeah, RLdunj towers often spawn near villages, no idea why

but if this house really is a dungeon, i guess i have mods to update

Has someone posted the lex drama on leddit yet?
Not surprised if it wasnt.

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>>151692474
>>151692167

This village is so nice, and the rl dungeon is a great bonus. it's just a shame this is a test world

>>151692830
well, you can always write down the coordinates and seed for later...
or just /gamemode back to creative and set your spawn here

>>151689691
Fuck it I'll give you the advice 99% of /mcg/ won't want to.
Download the FTB Launcher
Launch either the 1.7.10 or the 1.6.4 Direwolf20 packs
Watch the appropriate direwolf20 mod spotlight on youtube for Thermal Expansion and play along in creative mode.
>why FTB?
doesnt even require a frontal lobe to install
>why Direwolf20?
A lot of the mods in his packs are in the majority of other packs. If you get interested in any of the others he'll more likely than not have a mod spotlight
>why prioritize ThermalExpansion? XXX is a better mod! So is YYY and ZZZ!
After learning Thermal Expansion you'll be able to understand 90% of all other mods just by glancing at them in NEI. You'll get used to the basic ideas of:
The energy generator block
The energy storage block
The ore doubling block
The powered furnace block
The item / fluid / energy pipes

>>151689691
gregtech

>>151694109
>teaching him FTB
>teaching him Direwolf20
>teaching him Thermal Expansion

He might as well find another game, because this will ruin it for him.

>>151694109
better advice would be
>get tekkit classic
>watch one of the old good minecraft youtubes
>have actual fun instead of microcrafty bullshit
>learn the actual root sources of the mechanics of modern mods instead of bullshit ones that made the game boring

You autists have a server yet?

>>151694497
As an assembly programmer I approve of this

>>151696428
Yes, hoboserb

read the fucking OP

>>151690626
I'd actually say FTB Infinity is good for someone that is 100% fresh to mods. It's literally idiotproof, and once you get immersed in it enough you can go "Well, I don't like this, and I'd rather this be like this, and while this is nice it makes it too easy..." and from there you learn how to piece together an actual pack.

Speaking of actual packs, I'm considering working on my "LoTech" styled pack. One of the biggest issues I'm running into is trying to have an automation-esque pipe system, but ProjRed is being a buggy mess and not launching properly and while I'd like to have LogiPipes I'm having trouble getting Buildcraft to cooperate with the resourcepack. Also having Thermal Expansion in only because of Meme Reactors (Since I don't want to rely on Mek for end-game power, and will be limiting said reactors) seems silly, though I don't know what could be done without the use of TE and its fluids/blocks...unless Metallurgy stuff can work out well enough. :^)

does anyone know that one mod that causes chunks to animate in as the load? it had a few options like making chunks rise or fall into place, or come in from the distance

>>151691838
>roguelike dungeons

They do seem to spawn fairly common in villages. I wonder if that's a Wizardry thing, since many of those games have a town to rest/restock supplies then the deathtrap dungeon right next to it.

>>151700709
Dude... dude. Are you joking? I need to be sure.

FTB is the definition of clusterfuck. Broken configs, bad mod selection, duplicate functionality out the wazoo, lag like crazy, five minutes to even load it, custom FTB mods with cancer in them, not to mention supporting the absolute worst group of people in the community.

Never start with FTB. Not anymore. Pick mods, thrown them in your mods folder, and figure them out yourself. It can't get any easier.

>>151703584
A new person would want some kind of premade modpack. That doesn't have to be FTB (but it could work. something painfully mediocre/normal, just enough to see how mods can work together)
You have to ease new people in somehow. For instance, I bet you started with tekkit ages ago when it was basically the entirety of mc's mod selection, and not in the 1000+ valid mod choices of 1.7.
If you just go "lol throw some shit together" a new person might be in over their head having to fuck with configs (which isn't hard, just time consuming and annoying; not a good experience for a new person) and pick out mods they know 0 about.

Personally, I would suggest that one 1.7.10 modpack that aimed at recreating classic tekkit. It's small but can grow if someone wants it to

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>>151703584
I'm actually joking because it's literally idiotproof. You get the FTB classic launcher, you click Infinity Evolved, and you click Play. For someone that's either a Vanilla player or someone that's been out of the loop since Tekkit (which was literally click and play) introducing them to the current scene with the biggest pack is not the worst idea. From there they can see what they like and don't like, and get an understand of what they would want from a playstyle standpoint.

Case in point, picture related. I enjoyed the tech mods, but was not a fan of some of the more micro-crafty bullshit that was AE2, along with not being a fan of basically 90% of modern "magic" mods; Thaumcraft in specific being the catalyst for this hatred. AM2 was fantastic back in 1.6.4 but the change in system to the locus system left a sour taste in my mouth and I wasn't a fan of it. Witchery doesn't seem like my bag of tricks either, and Blood Magic is right in the same tier of overpowered as Draconic Evolution. Trying to make a pack that could feel still rustic enough in its play, while still having lots of conveniences of life that I came to love and enjoy within current modpacks.

I'm actually feeling that things like MFR and even Thermal Expansion might not fit too well in the pack, though their usefulness is something I'm finding hard to walk away from.

d-ded

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>>151707520

>>151645502
>there might be times you're building over top of it, you break a block, you don't catch it, it's gone.
Unless you read the manual and find out that you can disable the crusher without breaking it by flipping a lever on the red port.
IE really isn't a great mod (it's plagued by MUH BALANS and MUH VISION issues and seems to only exist because people like multiblocks), but you're hating on it for the wrong reasons. Person from 8 hours ago

>keep wanting to join hobo serb
>every time i check there's like 1-2 people on
>feel too awkward to be with only one other person

>>151707934
There's 4 people on right now, go ahead and get on

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>>151707992
i can't now that i've posted that

>>151667135
Gadomancy has a block breaking core, I haven't used it much but I suppose it will work if you set it to use shovels.

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>>151708081
We don't bite that hard, I think. And even if there's nobody on, you can still make some progress and chat with us.

>>151708081
Nigger just get on
Nobody is gonna give a shit about some socially maladjusted person on a server with boat waifus. everyone's socially maladjusted.

Just get on and ask about how2autism or how to memepick your way to the top.

Okay so isn't Windows 10 Edition just a PE port? Is there a single reason why I'd want to play a mobile port of a game that already has a native PC version?

>>151709273
j-just play on it, goy, stop talkin wise
a rebel this one
muh micro$hekels

(legit answers would be that it has better performance and it has some redstone stuff you can't do normally. but that's it. you can't mod, and piston timing is off/no piston quasiconnectivity so most vanilla redstone builds won't work. it's pretty much 100% for normies)

>>151710554
wait so pistons don't transfer power down on MCPE?

making piston doors so easy even my dumb ass can do it

>>151710684
Correct; there is the "observer" block that works like a BUD though, and if this new modding API is for MCPE it should also trickle down to W10 as well, making it able to be moddable.

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>>151708237
While that idea is great! It seems that for whatever reason the glomes won't break snow.

>>151711201
You could have vanilla dispensers drop a water bucket out every so often to wash it away, and have the golems collects the balls

>>151711548
Well, I'm less concerned about the balls than the snow itself. Honestly, what I want is to have the golems run out and clear snow off walkways after a snowfall.

>>151711671
Are you telling it to target the "snow" block, rather than the block below it?

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>>151711857
Yup! It shows the marker on the 'top' on that block so it hover but if I break the snow it shows the normal empty block indicator. The golem walks over to the spots but just doesn't do anything then.

So, nei has some search functions that aren't very well discussed. Like you can use | to do OR searches (search "box|tank" will show both boxes and tanks), or use # to search via oredict name

is there an AND function though? If you type "metal block" it won't return something named "block of metal"

>>151712821
have you tried &

>>151712061
Use cores on left click mode?

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>>151711857
>>151713275
Update.

It seems to work as long as the bell is clicked on the SIDE of the block you want cleared. Also it seems that popping an entropy upgrade on him and setting to ignore item damage is required to for some reason. Only downside is it seems he has to go 'home' and back after clearing each space but I suppose that's not major.

>>151712906
Sadly, that would be too simple and convenient, so of course, it doesn't work.

nor does &&
nor does (?=.*) or (?=) (nei uses regex and this is what google tells me is the correct way to do it)

>>151713382
reeee

>>151710914
The BUD should also trickle down, AFAIK.

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Overall I give this a 9/10 at least for this little test environment I whipped together. Should hopefully translate well into the survival build.

>>151713882
Just grabbed the W10 version, and it has the Observer and a Stonecutter (?) block. Overall it plays really clunky and not as smooth as Java MC, but it's definitely something, and does feel like it did when MC was back in Alpha.

There's also (what looks like) no server browser, but more or less entices people to use Realms instead. Though if the modding API gets off the ground you could host entire modpacks and pass them along, but at the same time there would have to be some MAJOR safeties or else we'll have Gmod Medusa's again running rampant.

>>151617884
>>151617497
What's the problem with this? Sure it'd be nice to have it out for both but really Java MC needs to fuck off and die and let W10 take over already. I wish it was already so. If you aren't chomping at the bit impatiently waiting for W10 modding you are unfortunately ignorant or a bad dumb person, or a retard with a W10 hangup.

Run Win10 MC and see how fucking fast it runs compared to the honest shitshow that java is. Sure, it is only vanilla but the difference can't be explained without seeing it- like explaining the appeal of high Hz monitors. Ridiculous shit that would murder Java MC will be running rock solid smoothly on it.

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>>151717273
>all this blatant jewsoft dick sucking
someone post the thing about how much of a clusterfuck win10 is behind the scenes, I think it's a combo of some greentext and IRC snippets or something
You're just fucking retarded if you think microsoft is actually going to allow modding.
They're going to allow something for the kiddos to do.
Not modding.
Because to them, minecraft is for the kiddos, and only the kiddos.
You stupid mircosoft shill.

>>151717273

A bowl with no food in it is pretty light

I mean I know you guys like to eat food but feel how light this bowl is, I can lift it around so easily.

There might be food in the bowl someday though!

>>151717514
Ah, so you fit into the 'retard with W10 hangup' category.

>>151717568
And you haven't run it.

>>151717660
>I only read the first sentence of the post
Microsoft wants money you dumb fuck. And only money. They aren't doing it for passion, because they like the game, because they want to preserve the community, no, they want MONEY.
Open source full API with hooks out the wazoo and a dynamic system for adding more?
That costs money.
And how are they going to monetize that?

Much easier to make some sort of plugin based thing and have an ingame store with opportunities for microtransactions, and monitization more than an mmo collaboration between jews, koreans, and chinks.

>>151717273
>Run Win10 MC and see how fucking fast it runs compared to the honest shitshow that java is.
I did. It feels like I'm playing in mayonnaise, even compared to my old Infinity base. It's optimized for phones and tablets, not PC's.

>>151717795
>monitization more than an mmo collaboration between jews, koreans, and EA.
FTFY

>>151717795
Also, I should add
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE WHO ISN'T 12 OR 99.
They want minecraft to be the next lego, with every child in the world playing it.
Do you think pandering to people who want to set up logistics facilities makes them cash?\
Do you think pandering to people who love magic and TUBES makes them cash?
Do you think pandering to people who love exploration and discovery makes them cash?
NOPE.
Taking advantage of stupid kids - all too eager to spend tons of money on mere cosmetics - is how they want to make their money.

>>151717901
>monitization more than an mmo collaboration between jews, koreans, and EA.
good catch

>>151717660
Vanilla is vanilla, anon. I have a pretty good new computer, so how mc runs isn't even an issue for me.

I need content, not performance. win10 mc can run so good it makes my dick grow another 2 inches but that doesn't mean there's suddenly things to do ingame.

>>151717795
They spent 2.5 billion. The salary of engineers is jack fucking shit and sure as fuck no EA/mmo style microtransaction jewery of the most egregious kind is going to earn that back any time this decade. They are in this for the long haul as you added, but they are going to be pushing this shit as a programming education tool and who knows what. It's going to be moddable as fuck.

>>151718312
>They are in this for the long haul as you added, but they are going to be pushing this shit as a programming education tool and who knows what. It's going to be moddable as fuck.
what's it like to have hope

>>151718352
My dream is to become hopeless. It is my only hope.

>>151718312
>It's going to be moddable as fuck
Any modability is purely coincidental where MS is concerned

Daily reminder that SpaceToad predicted all of this:

>Honestly, I share FlowerChild analysis. That is, the Forge has failed to create a platform for a community of modders to share their needs. Our organization is too centralized and a-democratic, and the initial core members, starting with me, don’t have as much time as required to organize this community.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150315002011/http://www.mod-buildcraft.com/forums/topic/so-flowerchild-is-dropping-forge

>>151718434
They did release the Windows Server 2003 kernel source code to universities as the Windows Research Kernel and it leaked of course - I think they want moddability as long as it's in their best interest.

>>151717978
>Taking advantage of stupid kids - all too eager to spend tons of money on mere cosmetics
Oh god this, fantastic you mention this. Do you know what they sell on the Xbox/PS store for Minecraft? TEXTURE PACKS AND SKINS. Not mods. They had a Halo and a Mass Effect crossover map built for them. It was literally all just a resource pack applied to a map to make it look a certain aesthetic. And they SOLD THIS. AND IT MADE MONEY. A build of a small chunk of a game and some 16x16 pixel art to make it look the part. They're also SELLING packs of SKINS. The textures that you wear on your character, that PC players can change at a whim at any time? They've got that as a DLC pack in the W10 version. They want you to not go to a website online but to be a good dumb kid with mom's credit card and buy every new skin pack to change it around.

Not to mention the shilling of the realms pretty hard on the play menu, I don't think there's a convenient way to host a server, let alone connect to one. They want you to buy a realm, and invite your friends to it. More than 10 friends? Too bad, everybody has to buy a server and we can't host that big of a group.

>>151718554
This is why I asked for
>someone post the thing about how much of a clusterfuck win10 is behind the scenes, I think it's a combo of some greentext and IRC
it's by a former employee, and it basically reveals that jewcrosoft's management is more retarded than retardation itself
They don't know what the hell is best for them.
They really don't.
Only think you can trust them to do is jew - and you can't even trust them to do THAT well.

>>151718706
Microsoft has many divisions and they're all pretty much independent companies with their own rules and leadership. Do you also really expect a 25-year-old (Windows NT) codebase to be clean?

>>151718630
It's still a phone game. Hurr durr maybe it will open up in the future. The tsunami of angry autistic modders that hit when W10 can run mods are going to work around that shit quick smart, but I expect it'll always be on the menu for retarded plebs to throw their money at or dumb parents to feed money into to shut up their whining crotchspawn.

>>151718795
it wasn't just a problem of cleanliness
if it broke, they literally had no idea what the fuck they were doing and just added shit from past versions until it worked again
stuff was just shipped as part of the OS just because it was "needed"
spaghetti everywhere
I'm not exaggerating when I say how retarded it was.
it sounded like something out of a tech industry horror movie
at one point they tried to do a complete rebuild, and were a good chunk of the way through before they just dumped the project - just cause.

someone dig it up
seriously
it's bad
it's REAL bad

>>151718971
I know that pasta. It is bad, but what do you expect? The closest thing to a complete rebuild is ReactOS, honestly.

>>151719052
>what do you expect?
airlocking the entire management division and replacing them with military grade weaponized autists paid with tendies

>>151718892
Guarenteed that the API will be resourcepacks and command blocks in W10. Mark my words.

Microsoft will not allow as high of a moddability into one of their products. This is why they're slowly trying to kill off the Java production and focus on MCPE/W10; Java's already been broken down and become basically its own game by this point. Just look at TFC; It's effectively a whole new game built from the ground up, just running on the Minecraft engine. It's almost akin to Garry's Mod with Source Engine at this point.

>>151719146
Honestly, the "resource packs and command blocks" API was planned long before Microsoft.