/vn/ - Fate/Stay Night sucks, Read Subahibi Instead Edition

>>151474350
Can you not fuck with the OP? Retard.

>>151474381
Repeat this meme one more time and I will literally find where you live and beat you down.

Consider this mercy.

https://www.strawpoll.me/10973876
Let's settle this once and for all, /vn/

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>>151474383
Fate/Zero is the only thing in Nasuverse that is translated that half resembles decent.

Which makes sense, since Urobuchi novels like Saya no Uta and Kikokugai are significantly better than Fate/Stay Night.

But even he couldn't make Fate/Zero worth reading because it was still bogged down in Nasu's shitty setting with Nasu's shitty characters.
>>151474424
Oath.

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>>151474230
>>151474230
>DUDE SHIROU BECOMING A GENERIC CHARACTER MAKES HF THE MOST INTERESTING ROUTE LMAO
HFcucks and Sakurafags are laughed at on /a/ for a reason

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i can't decide whether I want to start rewrite or steins gate next. help

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>>151474535
>Urobuchi novels like Saya no Uta and Kikokugai are significantly better than Fate/Stay Night.

Stopped right there.

Get some taste Urobushitter

>>151474535
>Urobuchi novels like Saya no Uta and Kikokugai are significantly better than Fate/Stay Night.
Nigger what? FSN trumps any of Urobuchi's VNs in characterization, world building, themes, and anything that makes a good VN. Fuck off

>>151474536
>/a/
Why don't you fuck off back there, Fatefag?
>>151474551
Rewrite is significantly more enjoyable than Steins;Gate in my opinion but it's also significantly longer and has worse pacing. If you want something where you jump into the plot immediately, go with Steins;Gate. If you want something that's a lot of comedy and slice of life early on, with some fantastic plot payoff later in, go with Rewrite.

>>151474607
Not an argument.

Wow Fate fanboys are pretty sensitive babies arent they

>>151474689

You never had an argument Urobushitter cuck.

>>151474672
>Keyfag telling patrician fanbases to fuck off
o i am laffin

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>>151474671
>>151474607
>Nasutards actually believe this
>Nasutards implying they've read any of Urobuchi's VNs just like they imply they've read the Fate/Zero LN
>>151474781
Rewrite was written by Tanaka Romeo. You'd know this if you weren't from /a/.

>>151474726
This is what happens when you delude yourself into thinking edgy Naruto is deep.

>>151474757
His argument was that [examples] were deeper than Fate/stay night.

Your counter-argument was ad hom and meme arrows.

>>151474672
i just finished up princess evangile, so i think i may be burnt out on some slice of life for a month or so. sounds like steins gate, it is.

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>EOPs actually think the hack Urobutcher is good

Fucking lmao

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>>151474809
Kys Urobuchitard

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Reminder that Fate was already declared shit by our lord and savior Moogy and that this argument is pointless.

>>151474817
>edgy Naruto is deep.

He says while defending the edgy garbage writer known as Uroboshit.

The irony.

>>151474817
>[examples] were deeper
No they were not. How is that for a counter-argument?

>Fatefags ruin another /vn/
If you want to discuss Nasuverse, please do so in the Nasuverse general.

>>151474817
>[examples] were deeper than Fate/stay night.

Not an argument.

>>151474953
>good art on the left, shit art on the right
What am I supposed to derive from this image?

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>>151474979
Reminder that Fate was already declared Kamige and Nasu was declared Kamiwriter by Moogy so this argument is pointless.

>>151475097
8.5 on vndb is not kamige by Moogy standards.

Also CCC =/= Fate, and the latter is the centerpiece of the current discussion you dummy.

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>>151475008
>don't discuss the greatest visual novel franchise
>in the visual novel general

>>151475162
>Fate/Extra CCC
>not Fate
wew lad

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>>151475162
Actually it's not even an 8.5 lol, it's an 8
>all these novels which have been confirmed much better than any of the shit Nasu has ever pushed out
lmao nasutards on suicide watch

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I honestly have more respect for Grisaiatards than I do for Fatetards. At least they finally stopped beating a dead horse after three years.

>>151475275
also it gets even better if you consider that Moogy liked F/HA (which he gave a 7) more than F/SN, so F/SN is probably like a 6 for him.

That means there are hundreds of visual novels that are better than Fate
Literally kusoge

>>151475381
What did he give Tsukihime?

>>151475343
Me too. At least Grisaiafags have a good translation. Fatefags which are also EOP just puzzle the shit out of me. It reads like a fourth grader wrote it.

If Subahibi doesn't come out today I'm ending it.

>>151475425
Not rated

>>151475343
I'm hating this Moogydrone even more than both groups right now.

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>>151475275
>>151475381
Why do people even care what Colin thinks? He has objectively shit taste, pic related. He only likes VNs that have kanji puns, high school settings, juvenile sex humour about underage girls and denpa. That's why he likes Romeo so much.

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>>151475456
Because the plot, characters, and narrative themes are strong enough to make sitting through a bad translation worth it. It's that simple. Fate is Kamige for a reason. Grisaia is irrelevant because it's populist otaku garbage

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>>151475610
>1707x22

>>151475610
I actually don't care, I'm just shitposting. Moogy does indeed have garbage opinions

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>>151475610
Seriously. Conjueror was already proven to be the only VN translator who's opinions are worth respecting, and he loves Fate (which he read in Japanese). Moogy should kill himself.

>>151475637
>populist otaku garbage
Fate is far more popular with the otaku crowd than Grisaia.

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>>151475637
>that screenshot
*tips fedora*

Well written VNs don't try to pretend they have more depth and structure than they've actually got with pretentious, pseudo-intellectual prose, can't be summed up in a single screenshot and require more than an ounce of an attention span to truly appreciate, because they don't repeat the thematic importance of every scene three or four times until the message sinks in. Pic related, an actual good VN.

>>151475765
Fate is a plotge, people bought it for the story just like Tsukihime. Grisaia's appeal is an edgy gary stu MC and waifus.

>>151475871
>Fate/Stay Night's appeal isn't an edgy gary stu MC and waifus.
hahahahaha

>>151475824
>*tips fedora*
Kirei's speech in that scene alone is better than the entire script of your favorite VN.

>>151475871
>people bought it for the story
The multitude of Saber, Rin, and Sakura merchandise whoring and general waifu shit surrounding those three betrays your argument. There's a reason Takeuchi persuaded Nasu to write in more waifu elements and H scenes and it's because that shit sells.

Saber is arguably one of the most overwhored waifus in all of Japan. Far more than any of the Grisaia heroines.

>>151476019
>Far more than any of the Grisaia heroines.
That's just because Grisaia stopped being relevant years ago.

>>151476019
It's not about the marketing but the actual story content. Grisaia's writing and especially the common route is engineered to put the girls into fanservice-y situations, F/SN has very little of that other than the sex scenes. Naturally any popular thing with attractive female characters is going to get that kind of merchandising (even stuff like Madoka Magica).

>>151475637
the narrative "themes" in this image are something a first week philosophy student learns and the writing is pretty bad because it's a poor and rigid translation

i guess it's deep if you're still in high school or something

>>151476301
Nobody said that single screenshot conveys themes of a 50 hour long novel, dumbass. And I don't disagree that the translation is bad.

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>>151474953
Shitty list: image version

>>151476369
yes, i know. i've already read f/sn. i shouldn't have restricted it to that image.

nothing in f/sn is particularly deep.

that's not a bad thing, mind you.

>>151476201
And what about the actual story content of Fate is good while Grisaia is bad?

>>151476462
>nothing in f/sn is particularly deep.
Wrong again, it deconstructs the essential nature of heroic ideals, and an in-depth exploration on what would motivate someone to follow that path. The idea of selfish actions for selfless reasons. A dilemma between logic and emotion (Rin's conflict). The idea of facades and how we hide ourselves within society. Consequentialism and regret; nihilism (Saber's conflict). Existence and individuality (Shirou's "rebirth" following his death in the fire). The meaning of choice. Contrasting of several different philosophies (Pragmatism, Altruism, Idealism, Utilitarianism, etc). Perceptions of people (very overt with the way Shirou perceives his father vs everyone else). Cultural expectations of good and evil (Shirou/Kirei). Consent and fate (Medea and EMIYA). Societal values and morality.

>>151476594
All these themes have been repeated senseless in anime since god knows when

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>>151476891
You mean repeated since the days of the Odyssey and Iliad. 100% original works don't exist unless you hear them from some random tribe in Africa that hasn't even discovered fire yet.

>>151476594
all of which have been covered far better by other authors which a first year philosophy student is required to read.

>essential nature of heroic ideals
Richard Wagner
>The idea of selfish actions for selfless reasons
Immanuel Kant, Arthur Schopenhauer
>A dilemma between logic and emotion
René Descartes
>The idea of facades and how we hide ourselves within society.
Georg Büchner
>Consequentialism and regret; nihilism
Nietzsche
>Existence and individuality
Plato
>The meaning of choice
Jean-Paul Sartre
>Contrasting of several different philosophies
basically any philosopher also does this
>Cultural expectations of good and evil
Socrates
>Consent and fate
Aristotle

honestly it sounds like you strung together a bunch of stuff that you thought was deep and put them all in one post thinking it was over-whelming. well, it might be if you aren't well read.

and those are just a few authors/philosophers which tackle the themes you mention, this isn't to mention the multitude of times this has been covered and re-covered in various novels, movies, compositions, etc.

none of these themes are particularly deep, everyone has covered them time and time again, and Nasu doesn't do anything original with them. he doesn't even cover their facets beyond a novice's understanding of them. really, the only philsophical underpinning that he tackles particularly decently is probably Utilitarianism and even then it's pretty difficult to take Utilitarianism seriously considering how silly its logic can get (and how many times it has been utterly destroyed since the days of John Mill).

with the translated version of F/SN you're essentially left with a poorly written and poorly paced hodgepodge of entry-level philosophical ideas and themes which doesn't offer anything outside of a beginners understanding of the themes.

so, again, something that's only deep for high-school students.

>>151477549
BTFO

>>151477549
see >>151477162

>>151477636
yes, i already saw your post.

it doesn't really detract from my argument; nothing in F/SN is particularly deep.

maybe it would be if those philosophical ideas and themes were explored more than they were (oh god, how many hundreds of hours would Nasu need to do that?).

that's another thing too, Fate is a pretty big waste of time for what you get out of it. it takes 50+ hours for the author to convey entry-level ideas.

>>151477783
>that's another thing too, Fate is a pretty big waste of time for what you get out of it. it takes 50+ hours for the author to convey entry-level ideas.
er, i mean that in the sense that you're exploring it for purely "serious" reasons.

i think it's still a fun visual novel to read for other reasons, but if you're reading Fate primarily for the philosophy and its other alleged themes, than as another poster said in the previous thread; its parts are greater than the whole and it really wastes a lot of your time.

>>151474350
Thank you for not screwing with the OP.

>>151477549
>none of these themes are particularly deep
The human context in which they are explored in the novel makes them deep.
>Nasu doesn't do anything original with them
The visual novel format and how it's utilized is inherently something original unless I am mistaken and Socrates wrote VNs
>he doesn't even cover their facets beyond a novice's understanding of them
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3w3ufa/spoilers_emiya_shirous_the_japanese_sisyphus/

>>151477783
>nothing in F/SN is particularly deep
Desu you have yet to sufficiently explain how F/SN isn't deep you just namedropped a bunch of authors you thought explored the themes better

>>151478015
>https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3w3ufa/spoilers_emiya_shirous_the_japanese_sisyphus/
Is this where the Camus pasta came from?
Holy molly, what a load of bullshit and projection

>>151478303
(You)

>>151478015
>The human context in which they are explored in the novel makes them deep.
right... so, none of the authors in the above post presented them in a human context? that's hardly deep. satre and büchner wrote plays, wagner wrote opera, descartes reflected a majority of his own philosophy in his meditations which are entirely human. only plato and aristotle are really all that esoteric. the rest are entirely human and presented a great majority of their ideas within a human context.

>The visual novel format and how it's utilized is inherently something original unless I am mistaken and Socrates wrote VNs
that's a result of the medium, sure.

also, i've already read that reddit post months ago. it's unsubstantiated in its evidence and there isn't any proof that Nasu ever consumed Camus's works.

Nasu has mentioned his largest influences over and over again and he primarily (if not entirely) cites Japanese authors.

the purported commentary on Absurdism is basically a cut-and-dry case of a reader projecting his own ideas and interpretations on an established work. it's interesting but it doesn't hold well under scrutiny and it suggests a gross ignorance of the author himself.

>>151478015
>Desu you have yet to sufficiently explain how F/SN isn't deep you just namedropped a bunch of authors you thought explored the themes better
i am not going to waste my time reinstalling Fate and going in-game to directly start citing material. especially on an anonymous image board where this argument will be forgotten in a few hours.

and on the flipside, you just name dropped a lot of stuff without sufficient elaboration as well.

>>151477549
I'm new here. I watched the new fate anime on netflix with my wife, and it was a bit...slow? It seemed like certain fights took literally several episodes and the protag guy seemed incapable of learning or changing.

It also seemed like it was seriously hinting at a lot of fetish-y stuff. Sabers orgasm torture thing seemed very out of place. I did a bit of research, and it was originally a novel of some sort?

Is there a copypasta of a "fate explained for literally noobs" or something?

And what the hell was with the "reality marble" or whatever? When did shiro get telekinetic powers and why are we throwing swords at each other. Bullets have existed for awhile now...

>>151478649
>and the protag guy seemed incapable of learning or changing.
Yeah. That's just Shirou being an actual moron. Nothing really needs to be explained there, to be honest.

>>151478649
lol, this has potential to be pasta

>>151478803
>this has potential to be pasta
I'm not sure if I should be proud or not...

>>151478427
So you responded to my claims that Fate is deep unwilling to prove how it isn't, okay man.

>Nasu has mentioned his largest influences over and over again and he primarily (if not entirely) cites Japanese authors
He mentions his largest pop culture influences, no fucking shit he doesn't say "I wrote this visual novel as a response to John Stuart Mill" or whatever.

>>151478649
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but yes it was originally a visual novel. An eroge to precise. There's fucking in it.

>>151478958
You just proved his point that the Camus thing is a huge projection

>>151478840
The new Fate anime is an adaptation of the second third of the story, it doesn't work on its own and it kind of undercuts the point of the work by removing the main character's inner thoughts. We are in the VN general so I feel the need to tell you to read the VN

>>151479038
Lol I don't care what his opinion on that specific analysis is, but the assumption that Nasu has never read Camus because he hasn't namedropped him in an interview is absurd. He is one of the most read LN/VN authors if you look at the breadth of what he explores across his main works

>>151479014
Legitimately not trolling. Just really new.

So an "erog visual novel" is basically a romance novel?

How did this get a multi-season showing on netflix? There doesn't seem to be too much to it...

>>151479097
>read the VN
How would one go about doing this? I'm a mechanical engineer, so I'm not too stupid, but this is a part of 4chan I almost never go too.

>>151475610
That's a really high rating for a pile of garbage like Fata Morgana.

>>151479275
How did you get here?

>>151479357
(You)

>>151479275
How about you read the OP, retard.

>>151479391
>How did you get here?
I am usually from /tg/, but I jumped in here to see if anyone was talking about No Man's Sky. My wife loves it but the FoV makes me want to throw up so I was seeing if there was a fix/workaround. Saw an image of archer in the catalog and clicked on because we finished watching the anime a couple of weeks ago.

>>151479459
Will do jackass.

>>151479210
Nasu doesn't seem that well read. He doesn't really like western culture and he's a pretty big xenophobe. He only just recently read the original material for The Epic of Gilgamesh for CCC. He talked about this in an interview. Considering how entry level EoG is that's pretty funny.

>>151479593
Ok well. This has all the info you need: https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/4rlxls/guide_to_fate_v32/

>>151479459
>>151479593
>first paragraph of http://visual-novels-general.wikia.com/wiki/Visual_Novels_General_Wiki has "erog" mentioned three times.
Are these like an japanese anime version of romance novels? Is there actually some good stuff here or is it mainly just for porn?

It seemed like the anime had something behind it, but often romance novels aren't known for their deep story or compelling narrative...

>>151479672
Thanks. I'll give it a read.

>>151479649
>he doesn't like western culture so he isn't well read
Uh

Also source on the interview you're referencing?

>>151479828
Most of the philsophy and thematic material you guys are arguing over was primarily established by westerners, so it's relevant.

And I honestly don't remember. It was in one of the usual TM threads on /a/ but that was years ago.

>>151479828
Yeah because someone who doesn't like eastern culture is totally gonna read Lao Zi right

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>tfw you'll never be protag-kun with a footlong schlong and have to make by with girls thinking you're fingering them with your pinky even though you're thrusting with all your might

>>151479894
>>151479926
I don't even know where the meme that he hates gaijin came from

>>151477783
The fun of reading a VN like F/SN is more about immersing yourself into the world, story and characters. VNs can give you that kind of experience in a way most other medium can't. Everything else is window dressing.

>>151479649
Considering 7 of 9 servants originate out of Indo-European myths and legends something doesn't add up.

Not to mention the only one based on Japanese history is probably the least developed (outside intentionally mindless Berserker).

>>151478958
>So you responded to my claims that Fate is deep unwilling to prove how it isn't
just as you were unwilling to prove that it WAS (outside of some brief mentions of basic thematic material)

>He mentions his largest pop culture influences, no fucking shit he doesn't say "I wrote this visual novel as a response to John Stuart Mill" or whatever.
Fate is his most successful novel and franchise. Type-Moon's success is built on it. i would presume that Nasu would at least bring up Camus if it was such a prevalent influence on his novel as a whole, especially on the level that the Reddit post is suggesting. i've read a lot of interviews with authors and they're usually pretty specific about their influences, especially regarding their successful material. of course, it isn't necessarily a given that Nasu would do that. the Reddit post is still full of unsubstantiated evidence and projection.

>He is one of the most read LN/VN authors if you look at the breadth of what he explores across his main works
considering you not that well read, how would you know? i can't even call this projection, you're just bullshitting here. doubly so since you're an english-only-reader.

most of the western-sourced characters in Nasu's novel show a lot of ignorance of the original source material. you can put this down to creative liberty maybe, but sometimes the gaps sometimes are so major that one cannot help but think he simply does not have adequate knowledge on this material that he is sourcing (Passionlip is a good example of this).

>>151480002
still a lot of salt when he went out of his way to get Melty tournaments banned in any official events outside of Japan, even though there used to be a considerable Western fanbase for it. it was completely banned from EVO iirc.

there's also a lot of rumors about them showing the door to official localization companies that wanted Fate and Tsukihime, but those are just rumors.

>>151480212
To be fair it isn't like any of those servants act anything like their original versions. At all.

>>151480437
That is false. Saber especially is a very good and accurate portrayal of King Arthur.

>>151480475
Kek.

>>151480365
>considering you not that well read, how would you know? i can't even call this projection, you're just bullshitting here. doubly so since you're an english-only-reader.
re-reading that, that was kind of pointlessly mean.

i don't know if you're actually that well read or not.

>>151480169
yeah, i know. and i lampshaded that in my following post.

i don't really dislike Fate or anything. i just don't think it's particularly deep, that's all.

>>151480437
i know it's not Nasu written but the TM version of Siegfried pisses me off a lot because of that.

>Armor of Fafnir
kiss my ass

>>151474350
That OP must have some mental disorder because always forget to put "English-translated"
betwen "of" and "Japanese".

>>151480682
hahahah nice one bbro xdd epic

>>151480365
>just as you were unwilling to prove that it WAS (outside of some brief mentions of basic thematic material)
Do you know how the burden of proof works? F/SN is a hugely successful and critically acclaimed novel. If you are going to try and take down such a work you better come at it with significantly more than "Socrates did it better"
>i've read a lot of interviews with authors and they're usually pretty specific about their influences
I don't think it's a thing Japanese authors do. Urobuchi's whole career is predicated on shitting on Utilitarianism in as many ways as he can but he has never to my knowledge namedropped John Mill. Are you going to say has never read their work?
>considering you not that well read
Y-you too
>most of the western-sourced characters in Nasu's novel show a lot of ignorance of the original source material.
Do you also not know what mythical revisionism is? The characters are well portrayed, for the most part: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2015-09-09/history-comes-alive-with-fate-stay-night/.92664
>Passionlip is a good example of this
How so?

>>151480862
Is your reading comprehension impaired?

>>151480680
That's the least of Apocrypha's problems. It's a fucking travesty.

>>151480935
Your face is a fucking travesty.

>>151480923
Not to my knowledge. Is yours?

>>151481007
I know, I wouldn't be here otherwise.

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>>151481108

Would it be illegal to organize Kickstarter/some other form of crowdfunding to commission for example finishing of partial of Eustia or patch for DI or OreTsuba or AoKana or other highly acclaimed VNs?

>>151481250
Yes

>>151481250
Is Eustia that good?

>>151481250
the moment money is involved it obviously becomes illegal

>>151481250
Without the Devs consent? Yes.

>>151481338
It's illegal to distribute translations for free too, it's just profiting off doing makes legal action all the more likely.

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>/v/ was making fun of us again
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/347293495/#347306752

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>>151481470

>>151481470
>>151481526
>>151481583
samefag

>>151480862
uh, i'm getting tired. and typing this all out on my phone is frustrating.

so you can have the last word or whatever

Passionlip is bad because she's basically a complete 180 from her source material in terms of, well, almost everything. at this point she might as well have had no relation to the goddesses that she's comprised off.

also
>be comprised of badass valkyrie Brunnhilde
>make absolute zero use of any of the abilities specific to her in relation to her source material

maybe i'm just more salty than usual in regards to this one because she's one of my favorite characters in mythology

http://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/138003309268

kek

>>151481836
The correct answer is "tumblr whales".

>>151481836
But.. I'm not triggered? Fuck, I said the same thing. It has almost none of the things that Moogy wants in his visual novels. He doesn't really care for western influences, he's a turbo-weeb through and through who needs kawaii school girls doing weird stuff.

>>151481914
This might be a good jip if tumblr actually liked Fata.

>>151481931
So he has shit taste?

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>>151481931
>But.. I'm not triggered?
Calm down tumblr.

>>151482059
He has exclusively weeb taste.

>>151482072
Now I'm triggered. Nice smudge2x image, faggot.

>>151482105
smudge2x does work surprisingly good on some images though

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Reminder that Conjueror put Fate and Tsukihime on his Top 10 Thought Provoking Visual Novels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L01w1H7P6lY

>>151483202
And?

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>>151483326
And you're still a pathetic EOP.

>>151483326
There are still EOPs denying their artistry, yet a man fluent in Japanese and experienced in world literature is a huge fan.

>>151483717
But Moogy is better than Conjueror and he says they're shit

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>>151483742
>Moogy is better than Conjueror
Stopped reading there.

>>151483717
Hard to take Conjueror's taste seriously when he says things like how GoT is the best thing on television and how Life is Strange is nigh flawless.

>>151483902
The first part is true though.

>>151483902
GoT is currently the best thing on television, and Life is Strange is good unless you're a /v/ memer who thinks everything should be gameplay focused.

>>151483961
Not after the last two seasons it ain't.

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Based Japs calling out Keynesian garbage policies.

>>151484024
Fuck you talking about? Last season was awesome. Whatever episode that huge battle was was the best episode in the entirety of GoT.

>>151484058
wat game

>>151484058
Everyone past age 5 can tell Keynesian policies are trash

>>151484062
Everything wrong with Season 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmiPI1W1rJw
Everything wrong with Season 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adDgvbyZwlY

>>151484062
6 had more plot holes than swiss cheese.

>>151484125
Muv Luv

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how are we supposed to discussvisual novels on a blue board when they are riddled with nsfw meterial? we ned a red board for those.

>>151484370
i dont know

>>151484370
just dont post screenshots with nipples vaginas or dicks, or if you do, censor it

Jesus Christ, back to Extra arc in MLA is a pure, distilled suffering.

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Is the ChuSinGura translation as much of an utter train wreck as it looks? The game did pretty well in nippon so it would be nice if it was somehow salvageable but it looks like the devs are going out of their way to butcher it. Episodic releases for a single release VN too. Any chance of someone patching in what was cut or is it just fucked?

>>151485040
Unfortunately, yeah. It was like a month ago but I remember we had some JOP who had read both the original and the translation point out a lot of serious flaws.

It's a shame.

>>151485102
So it's just another VN picked up by no-names who can't actually release translations, don't care about the source material and are after a quick buck?
The VN boom on steam is really doing more harm then good isn't it.

>>151485481
I think it's actually an in-house job. Might be wrong about that.

Remake or 18+ for Kikokugai?

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>>151485532
remake

it still has porn it's just not explicit

>>151485503
Is it? I wouldn't expect an in-house job to screw up the programming.

>>151485532
>>151485587
Wait which version is this? https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1936169

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>>151485587
>no explicit sexual content

>>151486137
It's a lot more erotic than the original h-scenes so I'm completely okay with it.

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>>151486278
>no explicit sexual content

>>151486137
>>151486319
can you fuck off with this blonde slut?

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>>151486863

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So the first chapter only cover Sakura's route. Eventhough I want to date this cute witch.

>>151487272
wat game

>>151487437
Ikikoi.

i read subahibi instead of fate and wow that was the best decision of my life!

>>151487815
Subahibi is just a shittier Ikikoi.

>>151487437
Supipara

>>151487815
both are Kamige, no need to discriminate

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>>151488131
>both are Kamige
Fate is garbage, kid.

>>151488131
>Fate
>kamige
Lmao

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>>151488167
>>151488205

>>151488231
Another one for the md5 filter, thank you sir.

>>151488167
>>151488205
>>151488302
See >>151483202

Kill yourselves EOPs

>>151488349
>relying on an argument from authority
Lmao pathetic psuedo-JOP

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I also want hug this cute creature.

>>151488397
Says the EOP who hasn't presented any argument at all

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>>151488167
>>151488205
>>151488302
>>151488397

>>151488471
>trips over onto a logical fallacy
>point it out
>"U-uh, wheres your argument?!"
Sweetcheeks, I already stated my argument :) learn to read, mkay?

>>151488607
>Sweetcheeks, I already stated my argument
No you didn't.

>>151488671
Haha poor baby cant read :( is the poor baby braindead?

Jesus christ kill yourselves.

>>151488710
Fate unironically causes the absolute worst shitposting. From both sides.

Fucking hell it makes the EOP/JOP stuff look tame.

>>151487815
How can you make a comparison if you haven't read both (both -> ovehyped shit) of them? With that I don't mean that the F/A is better or because Mooply like SH you have to revere it but common... If you want to read something really good then there are better choices than that.

>>151488937
nice english

>>151488937
The only thing worse than EOPs are obvious ESLs

Honestly learning Japanese is not worth it. You need to spend about 5 years or so learning and practicing the language to become fluent which would only pay off if you went to Japan for that amount of time or more, which by the way is impossible unless you marry a Japanese girl and immigrate there since Japanese Visas limit the amount of time gaijin get to stay as tourists. If you just plan to visit don't bother learning Japanese, just learn a few phrases, maybe the numbers and leave it at that. You should be able to hold most conversations with Japanese people using a combination of English and broken Japanese since most japs do learn basic english in school. Also, for anyone here learning japanese, DON'T BOTHER LEARNING HOW TO READ OR WRITE. Seriously, it takes japanese people, who are born into and immersed in the language everyday, 15 years or so to learn how to read at a basic adult level and even then there's kanji not even them know. What does this mean for you? this means you trying to learn to read and write japanese is a major waste of time.

>>151489471
ok

How's Princess Evangile in Japanese? Thinking of picking up a light moege with easy Japanese to practice.

>>151489769
Dunno, but I guess it must be easy considering it just a light moege. Try Daitoshokan or Flyable Heart if you want another easy read with nice stories.

>>151489769
Why the fuck? There's so many decent to good ones, and you pick one that is considered absolute bottom barrel?

>>151490201
>Daitoshokan
Don't do this early on.

>>151490257
There are worse moege than PE. And if it's just for practice it's fine.

>>151490257
>There's so many decent to good ones, and you pick one that is considered absolute bottom barrel?
Feel free to recommend something else.

>>151474535
I dropped Fate/Zero during that dogfight scene between Berserker and Gil.
The thing doesn't exist in my headcanon.

>2016
>people using the word "deep" unironically

>>151491295
That was such a mess in the anime

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What a cunt.

>>151492697
loved it when Rise was like Nope.

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>>151492697
It's amazing that the headmistress managed to stay such a bitch when literally every single character was against her, even both of her daughters and her main benefactor (Ruriko's dad). Like I know it was just so that way there was a sort of constant antagonist to the protagonist and all but still.

>>151493139
Well she was literally insane/delusional, so it isn't that far-fetched that she was twisting things in her mind every time.

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I want to impregnate this retard.

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>>151475764
>Conjueror was already proven to be the only VN translator who's opinions are worth respecting

>>151477549
I think you're making a logical error here. Not to mention that you begin by saying that this is stuff college level students read, and then end by saying its deep for college students, but the main thing is simple. Your entire argument rests on the idea that "because a famous philosopher covered this idea, it is not deep". That's flawed. An idea can be deep even if it was covered by someone before Nasu. You say yourself:
>none of these themes are particularly deep, everyone has covered them time and time again
That's illogical. They're covered time and time again because they're so deep. They may be well-explored pits but they're still pits.

You can say from all of your points that Fate Stay Night would only be FRESH or UNIQUE to a high schooler who hasn't read anything, but nothing your post provides a shred of valid logic for the ideas not being deep.

>>151494740
koestl pls go

>>151494987
>then end by saying its deep for college students
I mean high school students.

>>151494987
It's like you didn't read his post. He's claiming that Nasus exploration of those philosophical ideas and themes was too shallow for him to consider it deep. The argument isn't, "these authors already covered X so why are you bothering" but rather "these authors already covered X and did a far better job at it."

Whether or not you agree or disagree with him, it's a different argument than what you're making it out to be.

>>151494740
Don't worry Queef, you have better opinions than all of them.

Will Mangagamer finally win a con? They've been getting blown out by Sekai Project all year.

>>151496210
He does elaborate slightly on Nasu not doing anything new, but before that he says this in very clear terms:
>none of these themes are particularly deep, everyone has covered them time and time again
>none of these themes are particularly deep
This is undeniable. He said the themes aren't deep. Not because of nasu being a bad writer, not even the themes portrayal in f/sn, but the themes themselves are shallow (see: not deep) because they are extensively covered. This is clear cut. I'm not misrepresenting anything.

>>151496289
There is no kamige that work in english that is better than Rance. Rest aroused, anon

Why are games by Favorite so shit?

>>151496313
Yes, but within that not-particularly-deep context, he is claiming that Nasu doesn't explore those themes thoroughly enough. At least, within the thematic guidelines that the previous poster supplied.

I see what he means. A half-learned college student will inevitably learn all of those authors and their philosophies whether they want to or not (philosophy is a required class for many). Depending on your viewpoint it could very well be interpreted as 'deep' to those who have explored those themes countless times. Not to mention that 20th century philosophers have talked about a much larger variety of themes which exceed the entry level. Adorno, for example.

It's pretty easy to get jaded to those thematic ideas after you've been exposed to them numerous times. If you feel as if the author isn't doing anything interesting with them, then of course you would feel as if they wasted your time.

I'm not saying whether or not I agree with him, by the way. But I'm a fairly jaded /lit/tard myself and it's pretty easy to shit on authors once you've read enough. Just trying to provide perspective.

>>151496620
They have nice art and music, at least. Usually where they fail for me is the drama which is almost always impossible to take seriously.

>>151496909
>could very well be interpreted as 'deep'
>'deep'
*'not deep'

Post best girls

>>151489769
There's a lot of long, formal expressions that I think might be offputting for a beginner
There's probably lots of easier moege out there

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>>151498047

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>>151498047

>>151496313
Nasu just doesn't do anything with those themes except reuse them in a different context though. And he'd be right.

>>151496620
I like them. You're taste is shit.

>>151499204
holy fuck

>>151499123
I can't tell what you're trying to communicate

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That's pretty cute.

>>151500151
She's pretty cute.

>>151500151
>>151500232
She's shit though.

>>151500658
Sup headmistress

>>151500658
Just wait till I get back from work.....

>>151501923
ded general
ded medium

>>151501898
>he has to go to work
It's fucking great that I have my own company. I can go to work whenever I like or take a break whenever I like.

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>>151502323
Yeah it really is great having your own company. I couldn't have more fun with my life right now!

>>151476398
>experience with women
>is a virgin

kek

Is there somewhere I can look for what routes a game has?

>>151504174
Internet.

>>151504538
Where can I download it?

>>151502323
I have my own company too, but work still needs to be done

What do the new areas drop?

>>151504996
What do you do? I own a trucking company and if I don't want to deliver stuff I just give it to someone else.

>>151504625
In your mum's bagina

>>151505191
Hardwood flooring. Need to manage orders deal with builders and make sure the monkeys aren't fucking up past the threshold of error.

>>151505537
You couldn't hire someone else to do that crap? I hired my sister so she can keep track of all the shipments and schedules for our drivers. Works out well since when I retire I'm giving it to her so she's already qualified.

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How am I supposed to get rid of after-VN obsession? The only way I know how to cope is to start playing something even better, but it's the third day consecutive that I've been bouncing around in my chair, sighing, and listening to the OST while imagining what the sequel is going to be like, and I adored it to death, so finding something even better is going to be a toughie.

>>151506309
I play a different game that's not a VN. Try and MMO or something.

>>151506309
Learn Japanese.

>>151506309
That happens to me all the time, I just start something else and hope it helps me forget. Which VN are you talking about?

>>151474350
Wheres the Otakon leaks family?

>>151506679
Kara no Shoujo dos

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>tfw NTR makes my dick so fucking hard it cuts through time and space to show me a time I wasn't this depraved yet

I just can't get off to vanilla anymore.

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>>151506798

>>151506798
>fapping to VNs
Ew, gross.

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A girl talking like a cat with -nya and shit in real life would honestly sound retarded, but 2d ones get me so fucking hard. Really makes you think.

>>151490938

anything by Alcot

>>151496620

long, boring common routes?

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>>151507276
And if a cat started talking human in real life you'd probably shit your pants
Nice double standard fag

>>151507675
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

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Is Danganronpa a VN? Asahina best girl

>>151507950
Really makes you think.

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>>151506679
MGQ.

>>151509191
It has meme translations though.

>>151507276
>I want to lick Faris's feet.
>I want her to step on me hard.
>No sexual content
I will just end it now, guys

>>151509597
What do you mean, the arrow to the knee shit was in the jap version too.

>>151510224
No it wasn't.

moogy

herkz

>>151510545
>>151510602
really makes you think

Having a job in a third world nation sucks. No time for VNs :*(

Quof

Is Sekai dead yet ?

>>151510656
Third world subhumans don't deserve leisure time

>>151506309
i usually go for
some braindead and/or time-consuming game and it's gone in a few days
good luck

>>151510871
If you want Sekai to die translate Baldr Sky 18+ and post it on erogedownload before the Sekai version is out.

>>151511569
Kek.
It's actually better bro, I don't have to worry about PC or LGBT lobbying the fuck of the government :^)

I'm kinda interested in Dies Irae but I didn't really like Bleach? Still worth giving it a shot?

>>151511909
Naruto should be more your forte.

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>>151511909
It's an overrated piece of crap.
Can't wait for the anime to come out so people realize it.

>>151511869
The jews will come for you too once they finish with the main threats to their dominion.

>>151511909
Dies Irae is even more of a chuuni garbage than Bleach, I shit you not.

>At Sakai's stream
Aginyan's wife just appeared there. Even him has an asian wife to sate his lust with and I don't...

>>151512214
>>151512313
She just showed her feet there

>>151512313
cringe everytime I see his face

>>151512313
What's Narcissu Zero?

>>151512313
It's actually funny that we are getting narcissu zero first instead of Sumire or some nekonekosoft.
Dovac supossedly whored out to Kataoka Tomo and couldn't get fucking Scarlet.

>>151512537
Sidestory of a character in nekonekosoft's latest game Sumire.
Sumire supposedly was a 15th year anniversary game but it was incomplete as fuck. Thanks Dovac.

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>>151512787

>>151506138
Can't. The people I deal with prefer to arrange everything with the head of a company. Thus it's 8 to 5 for me on most days. Buy it's OK these guys are moneybags. It's about 40K average of pure profit per job.

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>>151512053
>>151512170
Feels good to be too wise for your tricks

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>>151512982

>>151507276
If the one doing so in RL is cute as hell then that would only add to it.

>>151513020
Are you a teenager?
Chuuni crap is boring as fuck, the only redeeming point of DI is Marie and the ichaicha. and Reinhardt no h0m0

>>151513273
t. moebuta

>>151513273
Nope

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The SakuSaku/IroSeka team picked up Hoshimemo, as expected. This means that IroSeka will be delayed further.

EOPs blown the fuck out

>>151513587
Who cares, favorite games are all trash.

>>151513725
Really makes you think.

>>151513587
Who cares about any of those games?

>>151513587
>EOPs
where do you think your at, fool? Tae Kim is our body and Anki is our blood

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>>151514295

>>151513587
Who cares about that when Aizen-sama is releasing Majokoi niki , Witch Garden, Tototo and Hanasaki Cuckspring

>>151514391
I think it should be noted that Aizen-sama is an editor and sometimes project lead, so to give him sole or primary credit for all those games is a bit of a mistake. The editor is a very very important role but it goes hand in hand with translator. I think one of the biggest shames is that games like Ayakashibito had INCREDIBLE editors but they got no credit, but it's still a mistake to say an editor is releasing the game. One should credit either the translation team name or all members individually (barring minor roles like QC).

>>151515087
Ayakashibito had a good editor? Why did it suck so much then?

>>151515087
DxS and herkz made Grisaia what it is today

>>151515252
Not sure what you're referring to but it would have been far worse w/o the editor, the translator wasn't the best at writing in English.
>>151515290
I'm definitely thinking Koestl is mostly responsible for that.

>>151515567
Koestl was proven to be a hack last wek when Gahkthun got BTFO.

>>151515793
Yes. This is not discussed Doddler actually knows his japanese. he was playing an lolige on jast's old forum like in 2005. I am sure he was supervising Koestl and trying to unfuck what Koestl did

If Subahibi doesn't come out today I'm ending it.

>>151516469
Why? It sucks

>>151516469
ending what?

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Preview pic of Sekai's panel

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>>151516469
Many are already enjoying the underground patch and are just waiting for the remaining 20% to fully finish the game.

>>151516896
Model like girl?
Does that make sense?

>>151516896
Is the parial patch any good?

>>151517026
English aside, the Japanese is legit. =A girl that looks like a model

>>151517169
That I can't answer but Moogy praised vvav once, if that counts for anything

>>151512313
>>151512420
>>151512787
>>151512982
>>151513129

why are you in /vn/ if you are obsessing over a 3d girl in the back of a postage stamp sized webcam?

>>151517452
I've been waiting to play it for so long that I don't want to go in with an unapproved translation. I'll search Moogy's twitter to see what he said

>>151517569
That was on his ask. He said Subahibi was one of the few high-quality translations along with Grisaia, etc.

>>151517569
>>151517987
The translation is good but the patch is the unedited tl and not worth playing.

>>151518210
So once again herkz has made another TL readable, huh? Nice

>>151518493
Yep. Based Herkz keeping JOP shitters that can't speak proper English in line.

>>151518493
Why are you talking of yourself in third person?

>>151518493
how did it feel getting btfo by frontwing pr?

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>Page 10
What is your excuse? Mine is studying

>>151523078
Translating

What are the worst sex scenes you've ever seen in a VN?

I'd personally go with Demonbane. Laughably huge dicks, the main character's face randomly changing between scenes, the facial expressions...just a mess.

>>151523628
Keep up the good work, quof

>neogaf, wonderful community

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>>151523078
I dislike VNs.

>>151523628
Thanks Quof-sama.

>>151523904
Kanon and AIR.

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>>151523962
>>151524515
No problem

>>151525297
Damn, quof is cute. Almost make me forget my crush toward moogy-sempai.

Man the headmistress is literally insane. She has some serious delusional disorders.

>>151525297
How can moogy or conjueror even compete?

>>151525815
Headmistress is my waifu though. She just needs someone to love, and I want to be that person.

>>151525862
That's actually it, she seriously needs some MC dick.

They should've added a headmistress scene in the fandisc where you fuck her into being a good person.

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Jealous Rise is cute.

>>151526643
But she's shit though.

>>151525862
>>151526007
Her husband should just man the fuck up and give her some proper dicking. A foursome with Messiah, the headminstress and her daughters would be so hot though 2bh.

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Post FLUFFY vulva.

>>151527238
What a cute cunny.

>>151527238
Damn.
>遊んでないよ
I can already understand this part. I'm almost there, my JOP friend

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>>151496620

Because you have shit taste.

>>151513587

It wouldn't have changed much. If anything, it actually helps because had it not been given to us, the translation might've taken a few months longer.

>>151528617
Fuck off, dovac.

>>151528617
Get the fuck out of the thread you piece of garbage. I hope you die.

>>151528617
Hey fuck you

>>151528617
Chuee I love you, thanks for the follow.

>>151528617
I thought you had dieded.