/dsg/ - Souls General

I have hyper armor
*staggers*

SECOND FOR POISCHE

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GWYNDOLIN CLAIMED

quick claim your waifus

>le quirky poise meme
wow you guys are so funny

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>people actually think poise is useful now

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>>150369228
>Rapierfag tries to trade with me and my claymore
>what should have been certain victory for me is undone because he hits me faster than my Hyperarmour can activate

ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR FROM, YOU FUCKING SLAVES

>>150369478
Predict the guy.

>>150369412
>>150369403
Where is your hard evidence that supports otherwise?

Knowing that poise is determines your HA longetivity and overall HA efficiency, is a godsend.

This shit is useful knowledge dude.

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>>150369478
>WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
>I SHOULD GET FREE WINS FOR USING A HEAVY WEAPON!

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What went wrong?

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>>150369386
C L A I M E D
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>>150369583
>HA longetivity HA effciency
More like HAHA wow you guys are so funny with forced le quirky poise mem

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>>150369386
SHIT
why am i doing this to myself? i hate waifufags yet i am becoming one

i wish i had a souls bf

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>>150369583
HA was never good to begin with, and poise only helps HA if you're trading with another HA weapon.

It does nothing to save you from fast weapons poking you between HA moves, which is the big issue.

>>150369583
this knowledge has been around for months, its only the hard data that just got released

>>150369620
You dumb nigger, I'm not saying that, I'm bitching that a Rapier can completely negate my hyper armour. I don't give a fuck if I lose to being outskilled

>>150369671
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4vnan9/how_poise_works/

>>150369835
Except it was repeatedly denied by anti-poisers and nostalgiafaggots.

GS L2R1 can beat pokefags.

>>150369635
Bloodbourne is a new IP on a console in which that is the only good game.

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>>150369386

>>150369159
It's more helpful than you realize.
No, this doesn't mean poisestacking will magically become good, but now that we have empirical evidence that HA failing is a thing, not random, is not latency-dependent and follows a defined set of rules, it makes it much easier to play around your hyperarmor.

Prior to this, there was always that confusion when an attack gets interrupted. You're never certain if you just got interrupted before hyperarmor activated, or if latency caused it, or where exactly your hyperarmor frames actually started.

What this makes clear is that the frame data for hyperarmor is actually much more forgiving than anybody thought, and much more versatile in general and that instances of it failing are generally the result of poise mechanics and not simply timing or latency. Plus, understanding the mechanics means you can make slightly better informed decisions on when it's safe to rely on HA or not. For example, if your HA gets broken, leading into a followup hit, and then when you roll away they attempt to rollcatch but fail, you can be reasonably certain the next trade will break your HA, since the game considers you to have already taken two hits against your refreshed poise value.

And knowing, for example, that Curved GS have radically weaker hyperarmor than glaives is incredibly useful for making judgements about when to attempt to rely on a HA trade or not.

Basically all this information allows users of HA weapons to play better, and make more informed choices about the mechanic their weapon relies on.

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>>150369792
I hate waifufags too, but it's fun to post

>>150369925
>GS L2R1 can beat pokefags.
Not if they roll behind you after seeing the massive tell fromt eh WA stance, then punish you during recovery frames.

>>150369948
Sup /v/.

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Forgive the noob questions, but I am trying out the pvp on dark souls 3, and I keep getting rekt by the double katana guys. They could seemingly repeatedly using the jump attack, and even if it didn't directly hit me (or i assume it didn't because I didn't take damage, it kept stunning me. It seemed pretty resistant to stagger while he did it too. Am I just supposed to dodge it and roll catch? because it seemed pretty hard to time a last-minute roll, so I had to kept giving it a wide berth. When I did dodge it i could hit them with a dagger or rapier once, but anything else seemed pretty slow.

Is this like baby's first build cheese that I just need to git gud for, or this a legitimate problem with the game that I need to build around?

Other than that, haven't had too much issue besides being ruthlessly ganked every invasion, but that has been par for the course for a few games now.

>>150369868
It can't, if you attack before their attack comes out. Predict them.

>>150370141
Use bloodring
Roll behind them and punish

>>150370141
Just stay away from them and roll away.

I'd love to see some videos where people track their poise via CE while having pvp matches. I still encounter enough bizarre inconsistencies online that I really feel like we still don't have the whole story

>>150369868
That's exactly what you are saying. And if you want to rely on HA then you need to work on your spacing .

>>150370283
Is the bloodring that essential? I figured it was just a crutch

>>150370305
I might just play lame until I can learn how to roll through it better

Thanks for the input. I will work at getting better at it.

>>150369635
Bamco interference. There is a reason DeS, BB, and the first half of DaS1 are the best in the series.

Have you ever been summoned by a big streamer or you tuber and been featured on their stuff before?

>>150370447
Well we still take poise damage during rolls and shit, but either way, I'm running 45 poise and I've definitely noticed that I've been able to HA through attacks that I would never have been able to HA through before at the very beginning of a fight, but it goes back to "normal" during it.

>>150369868
>I'm bitching that a Rapier can completely negate my hyper armour
It can't. It hit you before your HA was active.

You don't get hyper armor for your entire swing, that would be retarded and allow you to just mash R1 to win.

>>150369635
>700 of those bloodborne veiws are one streamer
Views dont mean shit about a games activity, its all about whos playing.

>>150370640
I played with Iron Pineapple before but he cut me from the video for whatever reason

>>150369635
>~700 of those bloodborne viewers are watching a speedrunner

>all of the dark souls 3 streams are small fight clubs and such

>>150370643
Even then, I encounter shit consistently like a katana R1 interrupting me during HA frames twice in a row. According to this data, after the first interrupt I should regain all my poise and the second should work, but it does not.

It makes me wonder if something else is at play here, like in DaS2 where certain running attacks arbitrarily dealt like 280 poise damage.

>>150370640
https://youtu.be/MatBCZ47wOY?t=40

BKGA dude is me

Can you manually invade as a Watchdog?

>>150370562
>crutch
Most people do not know how to use words like this correctly. A crutch is something that is not good, but makes it easier to play lazily/badly. For example, the Drake Sword.

The bloodring is good if you're actually good enough to dodge and not trade hits too much (since it increase damage taken). It's the opposite of a crutch.

>>150370190
If I'm predicting their attacks, I may as well parry.

>>150370959
Nope. Enjoy waiting 30 minutes even though the red eye orb works in 10 seconds.

>>150370640
Tonnes
I've streamsniped literally every DaS2 pvp streamer, most of the notable ones multiple separate times. This goes as far as humiliating scottjund with an ivory straightsword, beating otzdarva repeatedly with a fatrolling "new player" disguise and beating some much better, but much lesser known streamers with unique things like pure caster builds and fatrolling poise builds, and great machetes and the like.

I don't think I've ever been featured in any videos, but that's probably because I've mostly just embarrassed arrogant e-celebs with handicapped joke builds and BM.

>poise has exceedingly good effect with halberds which are already borderline overpowered
well it was fun while it lasted

>>150371171
Good luck.

>>150370569
Why does people praise DaS1's first half so fucking much? I always found it pretty meh, then again i played DeS first. Anor Londo and Duke's Archives are the most memorable DaS1 areas to me.

>>150371225
wolf ring unlocks the true potential of the winged knight halberd

The weapon art is fucking scary now

>>150371225
Not really.
The 1.5x modifier basically means that glaives virtually never have to worry about being poisebroken, even with low poise. They basically get so much for free that it obviates the stat.

In other words, glaives having almost 100% reliable, consistent hyperarmor has always been part of what makes them broken and they don't have to build or specialize for it at all. This information really changes nothing with regards to them.

Greatswords are the same, except they were never overpowered because they're slower than glaives, have smaller HA windows, less damage and worse movesets.

>>150371576
then what is best poise stack meme weapgon

>>150371484
Anor Londo is considered part of the first half. Everything after Anor Londo is consider the second half. New Londo is debatable.

People tend to look on Lost Izalith, Duke's, and Tomb of the Giants poorly because they are so short and feel rushed, especially Lost Izalith.

>>150371220
did you also graduate top of your class in the navy seals?

>poise is good now

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN

t. someone playing the game again after like 6 months

>>150371238
Yeah, and good luck actually getting HA to connect.

>>150371630
There is none. Poise is shit. It always has been. Just because we know how it works doesn't mean it's useful.

Why do you think it took so long to figure out how it worked? Because the effects were so pathetic people barely noticed it, even during hundreds of hours of playing.

>>150371721
its not, people just overhyping stale news from leddit.

>>150371630
FUGS, Gundyr's since it does a shit ton of poise damage, GSoJ

>>150371721
It hasn't changed, we just understand a bit more of the specifics.

Basically, the stat listed as "Poise" in your equipment screen works as Absorption for your Poise "Health", which is ALWAYS 0-100.

You are able to have hyperarmor when you have poise health remaining, but your HA will be broken if it turns to 0, then it resets to 100 again.

It also recharges back to full immediately after 30 seconds of taking the first bit of damage.

>>150371721
Poise is still crap. There is just a new theory about how it works, but it doesn't change anything.

>>150371793
Talking to yourself or something?

>>150371721
It's not. We just found out how it works. It still does next to nothing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4vnan9/how_poise_works/

People are just being retarded and trying to come up with meme poise builds.

>>150371238
Yeah, and good luck actually getting HA to connect, and not just whiffing and getting punished for it.

Who /poise/ here?

>>150371984
Easy as fuck. Just don't attack twice, or do if they come in range. Greatswords and halberds are good for this.

>>150371484
People usually cut it up as the first "half" ending at the lord vessel being acquired.

The second "half" is much smaller than the first in terms of content and total playtime, but it's just divided up that way because it groups all the rushed, unfinished and generally mediocre areas together.

>anti-poisers going full damage control

holy fuck my cock is literally as hard as my elbow right now jesus christ. i love the saltiness of all these fucking das1 vets seeing poise be something different than what it used to be while stil lremaining effective for those that learn to utilize its benefits.

>>150372007
Me as fuck.

>>150372007
>tfw HA suddenly works like it ought to
I'm never taking this glorious goddamn ring off again.

>>150372075
I hope this is bait.

>>150372075
>stating the obvious is "damage control"
Sure thing, buddy. Let's see that epic poise build in action.

>>150372138
God damn I wish this fucking bait meme would just fuck die off. Just because I call antipoisers out on their utter retardation and outright denial it doesn't mean I am trying to "troll" them, which is something that hasn't actually meant anything for years

>>150372075
The fuck are you talking about? This system doesn't make poise better; it makes hyper armor worse. All I have to do is spam R1 before your HA activates, and you still stagger like you have zero poise. Even worse is that with this system you can't even be sure you HA will work even if you time it perfectly.

>>150372180
It was already in action when I split you in half with my hyper armored cock, idiot. You think I play naked or something?

>poise works

That....actually explains why my new mage build using the lothric knight spear seems to be staggering less during trades than I'm used to

I picked the weapon cause it's fashion and has cool R2's

Wait so, if you attack first, its better? Hasnt that always been the case? I guess with the wolf ring it just makes sure quick weapons poking doesnt stop your second attack? I still feel like.....that changes nothing?

>>150372213
Yea mean, this new "poise" sure is great thats why everyone was using it a month or 2 ago when it was actually discovered what it did.

So is heavy armour like Havel's useful now?

>>150372247
Okay, now all I have to do is figure out how to align my HA with your R1s.

That's literally all their is to it. Timing.

Don't relegate this age of Dark Souls ENLIGHTENMENT to "lul jus cuz wolf ring werks it dudnt mean ur gud hahah" shut the fuck up you stupid fucking tripfaggot nigger.

>>150372449
Maybe a piece of the set to minmax

>>150372449
>>150372335
no, nothings changed, people have just found actual number values and other specifics to explain it better.

>>150372449
Well, it does have the most poise, bar the gloves, and the second most physical protection, but it is quite heavy.

However, it's one of several good-looking armor sets, so it's definitely my top pick, honestly.

Wolf's Ring+2 and Havel's is about 48ish poise, which is about double what people normally have.

It's not useful unless you're using attacks that benefit from hyperarmor often.

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>greatswords and halberds not only have better hyper armor frames but also 50% better hyper armor than ultra weapons

>>150372449
No.
If you want poise, use the wolf ring
If you want LODES O' POYZ, use Yhorm's greatshield.

The greatshield adds more poise alone than all of havel's armor combined and weighs significantly less. If you want vit for poise, go with that.

Optimal heavy armor is still some combination of Cathedral Knight, Morne's, Winged Knight and Gundyr's, so if you wanted to be a vitgouged poisebuild you'll end up looking like a goofy clown man wearing a trashcan with a truck's fender strapped to your back.

>>150372509
No, that's how HA would work if it wasn't dependent on poise or a hidden health bar.

>>150372449

It's exactly as useful as it has always been.

All we've learned is the mechanics of poise interactions. We actually don't even know enough to say that a certain level of poise is good for powering through the attacks of certain weapons.

>tfw Sirris always does that chime hyper armour cancel thing where she has the glow and has passive poise for a second or so while she estoc spams you

Is there some hidden tech to this? I've seen her do this a few times now

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>>150372805

Oh, that's because of all the super huge damage that greatweapons do, it would be too strong if the poise was too breakable.

>>150373000
The visual effect lingers but the actual effect does not. Most miracles can be canceled at the very start of their animation if you hit circle early enough

>>150372247
How can you R1 spam someones poise broken before they attack you once?

>>150372057
I'm not going to theory-duel you, but you should know by now that everyone plays passive reactive in this game. There's no reason for someone with a fast weapon to attack when they can get punished for it. They can walk up to you, wait for you to swing, do a rolling attack, and roll away from the counter, even if HA is involved in it. I've done this myself. That's how you fought poise in DaS1, if you were good enough to know how to do anything other than backstab, and it still works in DaS3.

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Im sure this isnt the place for it, but I cant find an answer. My friend cant use the gesture menu, and cant get to Archdragon Peak as a result. Has anybody else had this problem and found a way around it or a way to fix it? Nothing he does fixes the issue, it works with other games but not on DaSIII

>>150373173
You're theory dueling me right now.

All I said was that you can whiff an attack and not be punished, or even bait someone if you know what you're doing.

>>150373103
what are you even trying to ask here?

>>150373103
When they start swinging, you have to deliver enough hits/dmg to drop their poise hp (poise * weapon multiplier or some shit) and they get staggered.

>>150373531
How can you hit someone enough that their poise breaks if the first thing that's gonna happen is a trade?

HA is unreliable, yes, but with poise it increases the chances that R1 spamming won't break your poise, meaning poise is good. Also, if you hit the person once after their poise is broken, their poise resets back to 100, from what I understand?

>>150373776
I don't think you can hit them enough that their poise breaks in the same trade.

>tfw been spamming gs stance since the big poise fiasco reveal
>90% success rate
>often able to get reliable roll catch with rolling 1hr1 immediately after (hollowslayer spear)

>>150373872 I'd like to add that I guess some really slow weapons can be hit twice before the end of the swing, and in punishes before the HA swing, but it's not worth trying to do it when you might get hit anyway because of latency and not knowing when the guys poise will break. HA poise breaking just happens randomly during fights, I don't think this will change.

>>150373872
If you hit them before their HA activates -> they stagger.

And if I am understanding this correctly, hitting them even outside of their HA, lowers their poise towards zero and it only refills if you stop hitting them for 30 seconds in a row. That means, if you keep up the pressure, and get their poise low enough, that even if they time the HA perfectly, you can still break it because of all the other hits you have already landed.

Meanwhile, if Poise did not exist, all you would have to worry about is proper timing.

>>150373325
Is he able to change the control layout?

>>150374185
No, it also resets if you hit them when their poise is 0, because the poise is broken. This happens even when HA is not active.

>nowhere to pvp except pontiff
>invasions are boring and unrewarding
>all duels are against meta shitters or the same cookie cutter builds
>win or lose the game is boring and not fun

what went wrong /dsg/?

Why can't I find a world to invade
Is this game dead?

>>150373325
Post Gwyndolin getting HOLLOWED and I might help

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>>150374237
Well, hes on PS4, and I dont think you can change the controls for the touchpad. Ill ask if he tried, regardless. Im thinking that if I can get the share play thing to work I could maybe change his emote menu for him? Since he can still use the motion controls to do emotes. I just dont want him to miss out.

>>150374253
>>150374185
An example would be bleed. When bleed activates, the meter resets. But bleed can activate in the middle of iframes, meaning you don't get hit by it. But with poise it also happens when you're hit when doing nothing, so the poise gets restored to 100 then. This only has any meaning when it happens in the middle of a Hyper Armor, and some weapons have a big multiplier for poise, meaning small weapons might still have difficulty breaking the poise in the middle of HA.

>>150374275
you

>>150374253
I didn't say it didn't, and that doesn't change what I said.

Here's my point. Just for the sake of argument, say you have 50 poise and each hit I do does 10 poise damage.

If I hit you 4 times before you attack that leaves you with 10 poise then say you perfectly time your HA. It won't even matter because on the next swing, you eat my 5th attack, and it drops you to 0 poise, breaking your HA.

If poise wasn't a thing then that last hit would have been a trade, because the HA would not have been preweakened. That means the poise system just makes HA worse that if the poise system didn't exist at all.

>>150374572
Is this what you mean?
http://imgur.com/a/aJUcJ
I drew this a while ago.

>>150374329
If you're ~SL120, your best bet is Pontiff, Anal Londo, Lothric castle or grand archives.

>>150374606
That doesn't matter.

>>150374625
However, that last hit might still be a trade because of lag. Haven't you ever traded with weapons that don't have hyper armor?

> That means the poise system just makes HA worse that if the poise system didn't exist at all.
This is right. Sorry for trying to make an argument against that.

Though I'll say this. If people know that they can break poise, but can't really say how many hits it takes, they might be idiots and try to do it, resulting in them being punished a lot. It has to be that LAST hit of poise.

>>150374794
Of course it does.

>>150374690
I meant him getting his holes filled with the BUC (Big Undead Cock)

>>150374834
You're still missing the point. The point is, "The poise system makes HA less reliable," period.

>>150375021
>> That means the poise system just makes HA worse that if the poise system didn't exist at all.
>This is right. Sorry for trying to make an argument against that.

I didn't miss the point.

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Anyone care for some jolly co-op to help make the most tedious part of the game more enjoyable?
PC
SL: 42

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>>150374185
Lucifer. these numbers are all theoretical, but will help to illustrate my point.

>We start 100 Hyper Armor HP before Poise, which I will refer to as pHP.
>Dark sword does 30 HA damage before which i will refer to as pAR
>You hit full pHP opponent three times, dealing 90 pAR and leaving your opponent with 10 pHP.
>You hit your opponent a fourth time for 30 pAR, draining his pHP to -20. in the moment he decides to swing at you with a HA-enabled attack.
>His HA breaks, he staggers.
>pHP resets to 100, ignoring the overspilled pAR.

Here is a webm I just made demonstarting a poise break in action.

At approximately 8 seconds in, I attempt to use the GS stance R1 and HA-trade through his attack and he succeeds in breaking my HA with a standard 2hR1.

Approximately 4 seconds later, I swing with another Stance R1, but this time, my attack trades with his 2h rolling R1 successfully.

>>150375303
Because my poise had been reset to full after being broken by the aforementioned 2hr1.

>>150375079
but then you followed it up with:

>If people know that they can break poise, but can't really say how many hits it takes, they might be idiots and try to do it, resulting in them being punished a lot. It has to be that LAST hit of poise.

People aren't going to do this on purpose, they aren't looking for trades, the one with HA is, but you never know when your HA is going to fail.

>>150375303
You just proved my point for me.

>>150375303
>two different points in the animation
>one part before HA
>the other during

>>150375613
The moment you see the white trail with the GS stance R1 is the moment HA is active.

>>150375474
>they aren't looking for trades
They might, that's all.

That wasn't an argument to make hyper armor seem more reliable.

>>150375613
In addition, I'd like to point out that there is an audio queue for poisebreak.

It's a dull thud, not entirely dissimilar from the counter hit sound.

>yfw memezaki announces a new souls game
>trailer gets revealed
>suddenly trumpets are back
>demon souls 2 announced

>>150375774
Unless they are trying to abuse HA too, they would be retards and not worth discussing.

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>>150375791
That sound has never happened to me unless I accidentally run when trying to delay a roll. Weird.

>>150371721
Friend, retards on reddit were trying to pull "p-p-poise exists guise!" back then too. Same old same old.

Theydon't know when to stop. As long as thrall axlings can slap the shit out of a guy who needs 30 vig to put on his armor poise doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

No fucking Nip dev is so fucking thick that he's going to look at poise in the previous titles and say "ok, I'll remove poise then fuck around with HA in a manner that requires hours of analyse and a fucking frame by frame to detect in-game and everyone will know that's what poise does".

Fucking DS2 adaptability is easier to defend than DS3 vit.

>>150375694
>first "poise break" has no trail
GG

>>150374876
http://imgur.com/a/8WTnV
so like that?

>>150376030
https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4vpvsa/how_poise_works_quick_correction_of_a_common/


>>150376069
You can't hear it in the webm, obviously, but the poise break sound played.

The trail begins almost instantaneously after you L2R1. Don't watch, listen in-game.

>>150376231
>creating fake goalposts to move to

>>150376030
Adapt was intentional
Vit is the result of amateur devs

Is the luck/bleed anri straightsword build still viable?

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>>150376069
The second the sword brushes past headlevel, HA is active.

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That feel when YouTube community e-celebs and leddit retards genuinely believe Dark Souls 2 combat is better than any other game in the series.

Dark Souls 3 for its first 4 months is way more entertaining than Dark Souls 2's first 4 months.

>>150376368
Extremely. Speed runner weapon of choice. PVP its a straight sword.

>>150376353

rofl more like the other way around

>>150376538
I think It's heinous to believe that any game in the soulsborne series has better combat then Bloodborne, let alone fucking Dork Souls 2

>>150376697

but muh sl 3000000 pvp balance

Yeah they're retarded.

>>150374275
If you want Variety in pvp, literally play DS2. The abundance of viable builds is undeniable.

>>150375206
sure. where do i put my sign?

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>>150376835
>Estoc, ice rapier, long swords, a bunch of spammy spell builds and variations on both for buffs and a bunch of shit power stances

Wow, 10 less weapons than DaS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>150369386

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>>150376553
Yey

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>>150369386
>already like her for all the different idle animations she has in Majula
>"oh shit, what's this? she's actually talking to me like a real person now that I've killed a few bosses"
>what, why is she here at Drangleic Castle? maybe she has more at stake than I thought
>"wait, what? did you just give me an infinite Homeward Bone? thanks!"
>"oh hey, I'm about to face Nashandra, -- DID YOU JUST TAKE YOUR HOOD OFF?"

>>150376030

This is a pretty specious argument when poise has only worked the way you suggest for exactly one game, whereas poise worked mostly like this in DS2 and both systems work somewhat similarly to hyperarmor, which is how long animations were protected in the other two titles. And also when you consider that From has always been deliberately obtuse about some game mechanics.

>>150376697
Bloodborne's combat is abysmal. Not even getting into the atrocious pvp. It's hugely flawed.
The instability damage multiplier is ridiculously unfair and when paired with how broken blood vials are, the game's only difficulty comes from mistimed dodges leading into oneshots.

Imagine Dark Souls 3 if rolling made you take 2.5x more damage. With less i-frames.

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>>150375916
R8

>>150376975
I can tell you're shit. The higher viability of hybrid INT/FAI + STR/DEX builds means almost every weapon is viable because of a need for spacing and such.

>>150377484

>sl125

leddit meta revisionist after 2013 core

>tfw want to fight Flamelurker again
>no one wants to summon me
whhhhyyy

>>150377484
Preordained16/10

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>>150376835
Agreed. Just look at all this depth and variety.

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This poise shit is fascinating. They basically turned poise into an invisible "weapon hit tradeability" resource you have to conserve during a fight, with no way to know how to manage it without investing significant time into trial-and-error strike-trades with your weapon of choice.

It's so bizarre. If it wasn't for how frustratingly opaque the whole system was, I'd be more impressed by how they really did make poise "situational" like they said.

Also, the fact fastrolling (which has no bonus iframes) has no recovery poise window but mid/fatrolling do is the strangest thing. It adds an advantage to midrolling over fastrolling, but also a potential liability if the enemy to chips away your poise building up to a rollcatch.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10894053

>>150377561
It's literally been the meta since DeS.

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/character-builds

DaS started at 120, wend to 100 for a while on PC after release, and then people went up to 125 with japs going up to 135.

>>150377407
>instability damage multiplier

What's that? Also, blood vials ain't broken, yeah, they heal fast, but it usually takes around 3-4 to get back to full health. This encourages players to take the initiative to be aggressive with enemies to regain their health without using a blood vial, particularly against bosses, almost all of which are difficult, have decent health, and hit hard. The Trick Weapons are where the gameplay really shines though, every single one has a unique moveset, plus the tricked form which adds new combos and attacks, complete with transformation attacks. Not to mention that all the weapons are viable for the entire game, and due to their tricked forms, you can easily adapt to the enemy, or enemies you're fighting

If I'm going to use the man serpent hatchet on my pyro should i go 25/25 or 40/40 with my int/faith. Probably going with dark infuse

>>150377815
Seriously, what do you expect him to do against your awful turtle build?

>jump attack at host for first move
>accidentally bump r1
>for some reason from decided to allow your to chain rolling attacks immediately out of jumping attacks
>get parried
>how the fuck?
>hornet riposte
>basically give up and charge an R2
>leo counter hit opponent that goes for jump attack
>1102 damage
>host collapses and jumps to death

based ornstein watching over me

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>Spend an hour farming the scholars candlestick
>has the red saying I don't have the stats for it
>16 faith
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA? HOLY SHIT I AM TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW

>>150378487
you go 40/40 or you don't do damage

>>150378774
you don't need faith to get the bonus

>>150378774
Pretty sure you don't need to meet the requirements to get the extra effect.

Also
>not looking this shit up on the wiki first

>>150378774
You can literally buy it, though.

>>150378774
You only need the faith stat if you plan on using the weapon art.

>>150378873
Yeah, I probably should have read it first.

>>150378831
>>150378873
>>150378886
>>150378894
Thats a relief, was planning on off handing it with the flaming KKK stick anyway.

>>150378984
Don't think of attacking with your little dildo though, cause the stam consumption will be doubled

What soul level do you stop at if you don't want to wait hours to invade?

>>150379225
65.

>>150379225
60+6

>>150379154
Is it worth putting 4 levels into faith for it? I am at 125 right now. Would going up fuck me up for invading?

>>150379265
>>150379278
Thanks, guys. I was worried it was 30 and I had accidentally gone past it.

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Sure does take a lot of skill to play a pure caster

>>150379225
212

>>150379523
do not say this

i am 212 and it is lonely as fuck. why do you think i host FCs all the time?

>>150379481

That's the pure caster equiv of Gotthard's rollspamming.

>>150379280
No don't level up more

>>150379225

Invasions unfortunately have a high upwards ceiling and only extend about 2 levels below you, so think about what level people tend to be at in the area you're looking to invade and then aim for being at that level or up to 20 levels lower.

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>invaded by Aldrich faithful
>have been sitting in front of Gwynevere's alter for 15 minutes
>invader still hasn't shown up

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neat

>tfw post-pontiff
>dueling guy in fc
>following the typical hollowslayer spear tactic
>staggered r2 spam like usual
>mixup a few "WE WUZ POYZ" L2R1s and R1s
>finally get a decent 650 damage counter hit after trading for days
>~25% hp left
>faggot ass host kills me with css

cunt

>>150380257
satisfying to watch

>>150379481
>throwing the kukris
Kek come on i know they deserve it but still you gotta show some respek

>>150380257
i wish this shit was an instant kill
what did he even do, like 350 damage?

>>150379481
Well done. Fuck that kiting bullshit. Whenever I see a caster I pull out my lothric knight greatshield and main hand blessed caestus.

>>150377104
Memerald Herald is pretty good in the end but the problem with DS2 is that the plot starts to gain any sort of coherence after you've effectively stopped caring.

>>150380424
Sounds about right, my guy has about 1600hp

>>150380424
About 400, but it has hyper armor and staggers on the jump. Great tracking too.

>>150380220
>Gwynevere's alter

...you mean at the very end of Anor Londo?

Gee, I wonder why the invader isn't looking there.

>>150380574
>>150380545
it needs much better recovery time then

I wish the Abyss Watchers boss fight was a bit more indepth.
For instance, have it three actual bosses - all of which are a bit stronger than they currently are.
All three rotate, when they're up, and have about ~10 seconds of overlapping time. During that time, the freshly risen one will attack the previous one.

Once they get to half health, they start rising as they do now, with all of them sharing the HP bar.

>>150380642
It would be too strong like that, like onikiri and ubadachi WA. I think higher damage would be better.

>>150380812
AW is literally fine as it is now since it's not a shitty DS2 gankboss and the gank phade is balanced out.

>>150380220
who the fuck bothers checking anor londo, let alone the fucking altar at the very end?

>>150379481
>being a faggot

Kinda deserved it though for just spamming one spell. Being a caster is far more enjoyable than melee though, especially when you rape estoc cucks/katana running attack spammers with pyrohexer.

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How exactly did FROM think that this was a passable model? She might actually be one of the ugliest video game characters I've ever seen

>>150375876
Why would you even want a Demon's Souls 2? The thing that was great about the setting of Demon's Souls(and by that extent, Bloodborne) was how self-contained it was.

If there was a direct sequel to Demon's Souls, it'd end up being referencesouls 3 again. From has showed 3 times now that they're at their best when they can create a new I.P using their trademark approach to game design.

>>150382053
isn't she meant too look like a deformed abomination?
she's a half-breed/ un-naturally conceived iirc

>>150382053
Better than Alsanna.

>>150382183
So was Priscilla, but she looked alright

>>150382053
Looks like some alien

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>>150382053
Not every female character needs to be a waifu, dude.

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Anyone wanna do some co op in Dark Souls 1? Post your id and I'll send you an add. I'm SL 64 so 49 to 81 should be good.

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>>150382183
I can think of another abomination of questionable birth that doesn't have weird model issues like Yorshka.

How's Great Sword?

>>150382315
No, but they need to not look like a retarded anorexic ayy lmao with a rectangle for a body

>>150382329
the ultra gs?
shit moveset, shit WA, mediocre damage when heavy infused
only works on a quality build but then why not use profained?

>>150382461
>only works on a quality build
What a shocker.

>>150382324
Priscilla isn't an abomination, she's a cute girl with a tail

Yorsh is supposed to be weirdly skinny and ugly

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>>150382174
>From has showed 3 times now that they're at their best when they can create a new I.P using their trademark approach to game design.

So what's next, Steampunk Souls or Cyberborne?

>>150382315
Yes they do.

>>150382754
Peculiar Doll description:
A strange doll in strange dress.

There once was an >abomination who had
no place in this world. She clutched this
doll tightly, and eventually was drawn into
a cold and lonely painted world

>>150382992
I really want cyberborne

>>150382992
Steampunkborne and Cyber Souls

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>havent been summoned in the past hour
Hold me.

>>150382992
>Steampunk Souls or Cyberborne
I think the setting will be whichever one correlates with Big M's favorite anime/manga at the time.

It's also possible that they're burnt out on Souls gameplay for a while and they'll do another Armored Core, but as far as Souls games go, I hope that they keep to pseudo-historical settings while giving them a new spin.

>>150383303
Where at and what level?

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this fucking thread

>>150383550
y u mad tho

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>kind of cosplay as fire witch
>only fire attack is the immolation stick's WA
I am not sure how to feel.

>>150384098
>shield
You're not cosplaying.

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post art

what's the recommended SL to take on the abyss watchers?

Is it ok if I run in with a greatsword?

>>150384226
>kind of

>>150384298
There is no "kind of". You are or you aren't, and you're not cosplaying.

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>>150384268

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>>150384268
very nice

We back?

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>>150384268

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>>150384268

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Oh, the sweet, sweet blueshitter tears.
Is there really anything wrong with using Hornet ring as an invader? I really couldn't give a fuck about honor-etiquette or whatever, but is this some thing?

>>150384292
40

>>150384292
25
Yes

>>150384687
How pathetic do you have to be to get mad over losing and post it here?

What do you expect, sympathy? Fuck off.

you cant parry with the shotel
its impossible to parry with the shotel

>>150384687
>sassy anime girl poster

Jesus

>>150384763
Pardon? I didn't lose, I beat both of them.
I just found it funny that he complained on my comment section, what does that have to do with sympathy?

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>>150382323
So nobody for DaS?

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>>150384268

>>150384870
>PC
Noooooope

>>150383013
>you can only access Irithyll via a doll
>Painted World can also only be accessed via a doll.

>>150384850
Yeah, sure you didn't.

>>150384870
>tfw at work currently and no characters at proper level range
Otherwise I'd come.

>>150384870
Whats going on?

>>150384553
that's not art

>upgrade weapon to +10
>your matchmaking will always assume you have a +10 weapon
>even if you store it
>even if you sell it
>even if you discard it

they drastically limit the game for legitimate players while hackers run rampart, fine work!

>>150384687
considering a phantoms can just hide between 2 others and instantly get back to full hp, hornet is perfectly fine

>>150384687
Get out weeb

In DaS1 I'm absolutely loving the Quelaag's Furysword, I have the base stats for it and I destroy everything, should I get int/faith or more dexterity so I can use stuff like Gold Tracer?

>>150384687
>shitty chinese anime avatar
>shitty boipussy name too
>even has moonrunes
>blogposts here for validation
just hollow yourself out please

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>>150385213
That's what I was thinking, most of my kills are done by parries, it is very hard to finish someone if they have phantoms without parrying.
>>150385217
Rude!

>>150385236
don't go int faith
a dex build is pretty decent and gives you some good options, but it doesn't influence the furyswords damage much because it has a low phys base

14-16str and 40dex is standard dex build

Is it a good idea to dark infuse the Drakeblood GS to deal with greatshields?

Out of curiosity, has anyone done Dark Souls 3 on PS4 remote play? Is the input lag too much?

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>>150385334
on release probably 80% of my kills were from guardbreaks

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>>150385102
I'm trying to get some coop going in Dark Souls on PC. The SL range is 49 to 81. I've been making boss souls in the meantime. If you don't already know, the bonfire between the princess chamber and Anor Londo is a good place to spawn and farm souls.

>>150385538
It's the best idea you've ever had.

who /lowlevelcosplay/ here?

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So what do you guys think the DLC is gonna be about? When do you think it'll release/be announced?

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>>150386056
OCEEELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTT

gwyndolin dlc now

>>150386056
One has to be Londor. Too many meme references to pass up.

In there you'll visit the old Anor Londo and find the Giants Set in a chest. You'll also visit Catacombs and fight Pinwheel 2.0 because haha remember how easy he was? In there you'll find the masks.

>>150385334
get out weeb

>>150385746
Seriously, is it?

>>150386056
Oceloooooooot
More abyss related stuff and hopefully a puss of man transformation

So poise is the reason some people can roll out of my GH R1? It's so unfair that 2kat get guaranteed combos hits while most ultra weapons don't.

So basically poise exists to make ultra weapons even worse?

>>150386056
OCCEEELLLOOOOOOOOTTTT
>>150385824
>tfw no pure white dress
how am i supposed to cosplay gwyndolin?

>>150386280
yes

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>>150385582

could someone please help me with aldrich and pontiff on pc? sl22

>>150386215
>get out weeb
You do realize where you are, right?
>>150386056
I really hope we'll get something about the Abyss, Carthus' whole conquering thing could definitely be expanded upon.

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>>150369386
mine

>>150386917
If dubs then imma steal her

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>>150386056
OCEEELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTT

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I replaced a single piece and it actually looks pretty radical with this weapon combo

Like some sort of decorated and elite, yet forgotten knight

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I made an int/fth build with velka's talisman in ds1 and had plenty of fun
decided to try to make a similiar build in ds3, but now it's going to be fth over int because an int talisman doesn't exist, but there's a fth staff
how shit is it
btw mugenmonkey is unfinnished and archdeacon staff's AR isn't calculated in it, it should be MUCH higher than what it displays
and if it turns out to be shit, I guess I'll just use the izalith staff...

>>150387203
doesn't match at all

>>150387227
Theres the Crystal chime wich casts both Sorceries and Miracles though

>>150387203
it's gonna look shit in other lighting, that helm doesn't match the armor

>>150387291
but it has shit C/C scaling

>>150386056
OCEEELOOOOOOTTE!!
But yeah, I think we'll have more Deep stuff, maybe accessed from CotD.
Maybe DS3 Chalice Dungeons?

>>150387227
apparently sunless talisman and caitha's chime only have int scaling for dark miracles
fucking piece of shit anti-fun game fuck you miyazaki now I remember why I stopped playing this literal garbage

>>150377835
>Also, the fact fastrolling (which has no bonus iframes) has no recovery poise window but mid/fatrolling do is the strangest thing. It adds an advantage to midrolling over fastrolling, but also a potential liability if the enemy to chips away your poise building up to a rollcatch.
The idea of midrolling having its own specific advantage is actually neat. It's just the realization is half-assed as fuck. Even with midroll having poise frames i would take fastroll any time just to avoid getting fucked by phantom range of longswords and carthus.

>>150386917
not even a footfat I'd praise those suns if you know what I mean

I can't believe it... Ornstein is not real....

>>150386753
i can try

>>150387817
You brain damaged or something? He is.

Any news on the DLC yet guys?

What's the current meta. Been away for a few months.

>>150387841
thanks m8, set your sign at yorshkas, pw is dsg

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>>150387905
>season pass can be preordered
>4 months after release
>still absolutely no info on the DLC

>>150387974
don't bother to come back, the meta is getting more and more cancerous every day

>>150387974
Carthus Curved Sword
Estoc + high Stability shield
2Hed halberds
Halberd in one hand, side-swinging weapon in the other
Sick hornet ring parries with caestus/parrying shield/llewelyn shield/iron round shield and ripostes using greatweapons
Gotthard rolling attack spam
Sorcery playstyles in which you spam Crystal Homing Soulmass
Pyromancy playstyles in which you spam 1 tick of Fire Surge

>>150387974
WolfSword + 2kat/gotthards
2kat with bleed (WA was buffed now it has more HA than anything and wins trades with Great Hammers)
dark serpent + forbidden sun
buffed gotthards

offhand caestus nerfed, still good but not as much

Greatweapons are getting worse and worse the more people understand how the game works.

also what >>150388163 said

>>150388036
Well I wouldn't complain to be honest, they're taking their time, it's a good thing, The Old Hunters was only announced 6 months after Bloodborne came out. But I need more Souls, so I would appreciate a bit of news.

>>150387974
Shitposting on /dsg/ about poise.

>>150388254
Wolf sword what? that's just a greatsword though

>>150388349
Sorry I meant the Wolf Curved flippy sword wathever it's called. You put it with eye rings and abuse twin weapons ridiculous attack rate.

>>150387974
Estoc turtling
Carthus Curved Sword
Gotthards
2kat with bleed
Halberds
Hornet Parry into a Greatweapon
Dark Serpent + Profaned Flame
Washing Pole running R1

does anyone here have a spare dorkmoon bow or is willing to trade?
just say what you want in exchange

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How to achieve the maximum damage output possible with hyper mode in pvp ?

>>150388720
profaned charged r2 leo counter hits pretty much 1shot everything already

>>150388786
It'll leave people with 40 vig with a tic of life. Then hey estus while you can't punish them because roll is op, then they kill you with a single 2kat combo that leads into bleed because carthus rogue is ridiculously overpowered.

>>150388720
>hypermode pvp

I've been thinking of making a joke build that uses a Thrall Axe buffed with 60 faith Lightning Blade. I'll stay in their anus at all times by spamming Quickstep while waiting for an opportunity to rape their healthbar with the bitchslap machine

>>150369386
post it's boibucci :DDD:DDD

>>150369228
THEORY

Ornstein was Gwyns son, left, allied with Dragons and became the Nameless King. Thats why we find his armor but not his corpse in DS3. The Illusion of him was created because he was super strong motherfucker and his Image as dragonslayer was an Inspiration for the people.

>>150369386
Why does Gwyndolin looks so much like Griffith?

So now that poise has returned, what are some good builds that can exploit it? Still 40/40 quality I presume? Keep in mind that my priority is the usage of dung pies in PvP

>>150384509
Yes, we have returned.

>>150389202
How so?
They both have white hair. That's it. That's what they have in common.

>>150389230
So poise actually works now?

>>150389202
"Why does [dark souls thing] look so much like [berserk thing]?"
>>150389276
pale, girl-like men with a connection to the eclipse

>>150389360
Griffith isn't girl like. He was even a warrior then later a knight. He was beautiful, yes, but never a sissy.

Griffith isn't nowhere near as pale as Gwyndolin.

Gwyndolin isn't connected to the Eclipse, he's connected to the moon.

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When did you stop leveling? Im thinking about stopping at around 80, whats the meta?

>>150389478
(100?)/120/125

Not sure anymore on the first one

>>150389354
According to the discussion above in the thread at least. Not quite how you'd expect though

Were whips ever made viable or are they still shit?

>>150389469
Griffith is very girl-like, had his sexuality questioned many times and we to him to have willing had sex with a man at least 2 times. the dark sun IS an eclipse.

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>>150389478
20 because settlements shenanigans and low level co-op is the most fun to be had

>>150389681
Being gay doesn't make him girl-like. You're pushing it.

The dark sun is just the moon. The eclipse is the dark sign and it's related to the curse, not moon magic.

>>150389709
>literally no estus
>2 swings max
>die in 1 hit
>shet weapons

how is that fun

Are any of the dark miracles of any use in pvp the only one I get some use out of is vow of silence and I want to use more as they fit my build thematically

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waifu fags report in!!!

>>150389825
you do realize you don't have to stop progressing through the game just because you stop leveling, right?

>>150389802
>Griffith isn't feminine
What the fuck am I reading. He obviously has a touch of femininity.

Not that anon btw so that's all I have to say

>>150389152
It's outright stated that Ornstein was the Firstborn'f first knight. I don't think it makes any sense to be your own first knight.

Ornstein is the King of the Storm

>>150389709
What weapon upgrade do you stay at to get the best results for invasions/co-op?

>>150389883
>being a dirty cheeser
how is that fun

How in the ever loving fuck do i counter passive reactive quickstep users?

>>150389951
Depends
At +3 I've been summoned through concord all the way to Cathedral of the Deep
At +2 you can jolly up with people who have no weapon upgrades, but your range ends at +4

>>150390019
Wait until they try to punish you and punish them!

>>150389802
the only time the sun is dark is during an eclipse. the "dark moon" is just a new moon. i doubt if the words for "sun" and "moon" are interchangeable or even close in japanese but they definitely are not in any of the languages i know the words for "sun" and "moon" in. they are different concepts. dark sun is there most likely because dolin can't produce lightning despite being a child of gwyn.
griffith is literally a bishounen. the fact that he's fierce doesn't change the fact that his appearance is feminine.

>>150390062
I guess i'll go farm Corvians for a knife to counter them i guess

>tfw Old Wolf CGS user

>>150390145
Greatswords can punish their punish when they punish the punish that you try to punish well too because of hyper armor

>>150390236
But what if he punishes my punish on their punish when they punish the punish that you try to punish well too because of hyper armor

tl;dr CGS 2slow

Is White Dragon Breath good or fun to use? I'm transposing the MLGS with his soul so I'd have to get white dragon breath next cycle. And while +1 is easy I'd rather not waste my time getting it if its lame

>>150390390
Well my friend then you just have to turtle with a high stability medium shield then you block him every time he attacks and dodge every attack too and then you never lose HP and then you punish him with attacks of R1 and running R1 in his blindspot when he lowers his guard

>they didn't include power stancing
>L1 is block
holy shit why

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358KB, 532x700px

>>150389802
not at all girl like. look at that strong, masculine jawline and the sharp, bony edges of his face. what a hunk

>>150390420
make the spell and get someone who isn't INT to trade you the weapon

>>150390645
Blocking with weapons is good because

block
now sprint
and attack

Running attack comes out instantly. This should be repeated EVERY DAY so everyone knows this.

>>150390754
not sure why i find him intimidating as fugg