Team Fortress 2 General; TF2G

>>150308869
having conversations with real people is going to be awkward as fuck

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>Alt-Fire with an active banner deployed will plant a team-colored flag with the corresponding banner's logo on it on the ground.
>Teammates will gain buffs from standing near this point, rather than standing near the soldier.
>The Flag has 200 HP and can be destroyed by enemies. It will also disappear when the banner runs out.

BLACK BOX:
>On hit: Recover 20% of damage dealt
>-65%* health gained from all other sources
>No random critical hits

COW MANGLER 5000:
>Does not require ammo
>Gains 50% more banner charge on damage
>+50% charge length and radius
>-80% damage to buildings
>Rockets ignore friendly status effects.

LIBERTY LAUNCHER:
>+40% projectile speed
>-25% blast damage from rocket jumps
>-25% splash damage penalty

BATTALION'S BACKUP:
>+20 max health on wearer
>+Can build rage from damaging buildings
>-50% charge from damaging buildings
>Provides a defensive buff that protects nearby team members from crits, incoming sentry damage by 50% and 35% from all other sources.
>Rage increases through damage.

CONCHEROR:
>+50% HP from health kits
>Provides area speed buff
>where damage done provides some healing.
>Rage increases through damage.

MANTREADS:
>-75% reduction in push force taken from damage
>-100% reduction in all push force when crouching
>Deals 3x falling damage to the player you land on

RESERVE SHOOTER:
>This weapon deploys 20% faster
>Mini-crits targets launched airborne by explosions, grapple hooks or enemy attacks
>(Can only mini-crit a target once before they touch the world again)
>+20% more accurate
>-50% clip size

DISCIPLINARY ACTION:
>On Hit Ally: Boosts both players' speed for 2 seconds
>-25% damage penalty
>(Increased melee range only applies to allies, uses normal melee range for damaging enemies.)

EQUALIZER:
>While Deployed: Increased healing from all sources as HP lowers.
>-20% slower overheal build rate

MM fix

Base rank gain/loss: 10
MMR deviation: Up to 3 (d)
Score deviation: Up to 6 (sd)

>MMR Deviation
1 point in "m" represents a full rank. 3 is the game average (mean of all players)

MMR Deviation takes the average of both teams, and subtracts the average MMR of the winning team from that of the losing team.

sum(m)/5 = ts
d = tsl - tsw

Matches where MMR deviation is greater than 3 will not be created. Nobody will play with or against someone more than 4 ranks away.

>Score deviation
>Control Point Influence
ci = Time on active control points*
ct = Time at least one teammate was on an active control point*
*If control point is defended and fully reverts, all capture time for that cycle is omitted.

5.5*(((2*c)/(c+ct)-1)^3)/sqrt(((2*c)/(c+ct)-1)^2)))
(Max. 4) ~85% solocapping
(Min. -4) ~15% solocapping

>KDA
k = Your KDA
kt = Average (mean) KDA of your teammates

kd=3/((0.75)^(-ln(2)/ln(5)))*((k/kt-0.25)^(-ln(2)/ln(5)))-3

(Min. -3) <0.25x team KDA
(Max. 3) >4x team KDA

>Damage

d = Your damage total*
t = Duration of match (seconds)

*Medics are credited with damage done by their healing target

dm=(d/(600*t))-300
(Min. -2) <100 dpm
(Max. 2) >500 dpm

>MMR Influence
sd=(cp+kd+dm)*(0.14*(d+3))+0.66
x0.66 to x1.5

>Limits
Score deviation can not be greater than 6 or less than -6

>Parties
Parties are treated as a single player for the purpose of Score Deviation, full parties (6-stacks) are compared against the enemy team instead.

>Uncertainty
When an uncalibrated player joins, the player will initially be treated as if they are statistically average among all players (i.e. exact 50th percentile). Over the course of 10 games MMR impact is multiplied, being halved if the outcome of a match is the same as previous (i.e. 2+ wins/losses in a row). MMR impact is always halved after every second game is calculated. Initial multiplier allows players to move over 10% of the playerbase with a basic win (with a score of 0 in MMR and score deviation)

What maps would you like to see added to Matchmaking? How about removed? Do you think Valve will ever acknowledge Highlander? What major class reworks would you like to see for TF2 to finally be taken seriously as a competitive game?

i wish my tf2gfu liked me as much as he likes mollygos and nursey and traps

>>150309342
> (embed) (embed)

nice one

>Half the thread refused to make a new one because they had enormous shitposts on their clipboard
>When the new thread comes everyone spams them so nobody looks at them
gj guys

>Try to votekick turtling engineers on last at spawn
>Vote fails
Every time.

>>150309426
retard
>>150309430
retard
>>150309539
who's your tf2gfu

>>150309770
26dollar

>topscore
>some random bottomfragger votekicks me for "cheating"
? ? ? ????? ???? ??? ? ???????

>>150309817
what a fucking gross pervert
your tf2gfu sucks

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>>150309698
are
are you
are youuu

ARE YOUUUUU A TRYHARD XDDDD
THEY'RE HAVING FUNNNN TRYHARD XD

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>>150310010
oh


i still like him though

>>150309342
>mlp
DELETE THIS

26donald is just a misunderstood young aspiring woman
i enjoyed talking to him back in 2014 when i still actively posted here

>>150310141
WHYYY WONT YOU LIIKE MEEE INSTEAD

my tf2g pals say i'm cute

reminder that videogames is a disgusting pedophile who wants to fuck human because he's underage

videogames is also underage retard

>>150309539
I like to think of gender confused people as weak. The change seems to occur most in people between the age of 8 and 20, when the human body is most into it's stage of growth, when hormones are surging and the mind is most unstable.

The desire to switch gender usually comes from the idea that the grass is greener on the other side, for the majority it is that they wish to become a woman, so they never have to grow up, so that they can remain childish and mothered by other people - so that they never have to go through adulthood. Lazy, selfish. I find most traps are incredibly narcissistic too, victims of their own complex now that they have designed, in a way, their dream girl, having given up looking for her, they become her, then wear her like a corpse over their real identity, and act as her, fooling others.

Having others see you as what you want is manipulation, it does not matter how you put it, and traps are sly, damaged people who live through manipulation of themselves and their surroundings.

Even on the Internet they try their best to be feminine through their misguided view of women (":3" spam, etc).

You are a failed male.
You will not escape this in the eyes of people who don't sympathize with your immaturity and failure.

am i underage retard

>>150310872
Shut the fuck up. You sound like a little bitch. You need to grow up and be able to find the clear criticism in someone's response without acting like a goddamn princess. Or, maybe you should go back to tumblr.

yes thats exactly what you are

does videogames want to fuck me

raffle

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how do i win human

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is it just me or do you not get any xp if you join a game in progress in casual

>>150312091
You get participation EXP, even if you join with 10 seconds left and don't even get assigned a team. It's dumb. Joining matches in progress is literal cancer.

>>150312091
It's probably broken, I joined an almost finished(like 5 seconds left) game once and got some XP, some other time I joined a game in progress and played a round and won but got nothing.

>>150309436
I wonder what would happen if arena was added. To competitive mm that is, we all know it would be a shitshow in casual.

As for class reworks, I've always wanted to see afterburn get better skill-indexed and for Spy to become more focused on objectives.

I managed to sell even more items and now acquired another key!

Have to wait till next week to trade it though, can't wait!

>>150312786
naw m8, open a cr8, celebr8!

>>150312891
no, i want to trade the keys for refined and then for hats.

gambling is bad

^ is a liar

Gambling is fun! Fun!

that's what THEY want you to think

I got the Danger out of a $2.49 cosmetic crate.

It's worth like 1 ref

gambling is bad

I'm having fun and you can't stop me!

stormy storm or blizzardy storm

>wasting REAL money on VIRTUAL items
its your money i cant tell you what to do with it but holy shit

i like stormy storm

it reminds me of me

Whichever you like best.

When are the prices for strange iron bombers going to drop?
Seriously its been over a key since release

>>150313671
Iron bomber is the new hotness right now, it's not going down anytime soon.

>>150313873
But its literally stock with no bouncy grenades

>>150313993
less random tumble if I recall correctly

Any reason why I can't find any killstreak kits on backpack.tf? I typed in the name of the item correctly but it never pops up.

>>150314521
It's broken. They will never fix it. Use the SCM instead. Buy mine on the market, please.

>>150314601
>They will never fix it
Why lots of people like killstreaks.

>>150314601
which one is yours
ill buy it if its under 2.40 CDN

>>150314752
Oh. Nvm, then.

>>150315278
still
what is it

>>150316172
Fire horns/TS bottle kit
Incinerator/TS Kukri kit
Villainous violet Quickiebomb Kit.

whats your favorite sheen/effect combo, tf2g?

>>150316786
Fire horns/TS because those sell like hot cakes.

fire horns team shine

although professsional killstreaks are tacky

>>150316786
Violet / incinerator is great

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Where the fuck is asteroid

>>150316786
https://youtu.be/Ur21JTSpCh0?t=6m12s

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>>150316786
singularity/daffodil
discharge/manndarin

btw what am i supposed to use with this thing

>>150317891
If you wanna be an ass, Crit-a-Cola and Sandman.
Any other time it also pairs well with a Pistol of choice and either the Atomizer or the Fan of War.

>>150316786
singularity daffodil

>>150316786
Fire horns with any shine
Tornado with any shine besides daffodil and greens

>>150318497
pistol with atomizer seems pretty good

any tips on using it or getting better at tracking in general?

>>150316786
Team Shine, two colors for the price of one. Plus they are the best of the sheens.

>>150319036
got firehorns manndarin on everything

>>150319131
o shit
>>150316786
>>150319131

>>150318880
only concentrate on your crosshair
like pretend its your whole screen

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>>150319036
why have blue/red when you can have BOTH at once?

Hey /tf2g/. Sorry for the retarded question.
I am trying to learn the variant of rocket jump called flick jump. I just can't understand it , even asked on jump servers but noone is helping me with it. What do i do ?

>>150319329
like this?
https://youtu.be/jiolGBsKPWg

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>>150319385
Good point, anon

>>150319501
pretty much

>>150318880
Shortstop has less spread than the Scatterguns, so you can do pretty good damage at mid range if you hit your shots. If someone gets too close to you, such as a Spy or the like, you can just shove them away then fire at them as they land if you're not comfortable with them being in that range of you.
Pistol works well if you just need to do chip damage to a class to finish them off. Pretty Boy's would work well if you can aim well with a pistol and just need extra health.
Atomizer makes it easier to jump around your opponent or to gain some leverage against Soldiers who'll try to predict when you fall so they can get you with splash damage.
If you need to practice your aim and how much damage you're doing, then download and load up a map called tr_walkway_rc2. If no bots spawn, then type in console sv_allow_point_servercommand always

>>150319385
even if it's mine favourite group of colors, i have to say that violet look bad with most effects. hot rod is better

hot rod is so gross it looks like shit and people just use it because lol pink
i hate pink
fucking stupid meme colour

>>150320708
correct
purple is better because purple is a royal color and was always associated with richness
everybody who likes pink should kill themselves

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>>150320708
>>150320842
vialous violet is shit, stop complayning

>>150321045
lrn 2 spel u dum dum

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>>150320708
Pyro is kawaii

>>150321201
i will not. this shitty sheen not deserve to spelled right.

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>>150321268

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>>150319329
>mfw noone helps

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>>150321710
you forgot to make it 3 times larger for them sweet sweet pixels

>>150321487
kill yourself

>>150321820
meant to link this >>150319448

>>150321945
Learn to spell no one, faggot, noone isn't a word.

>>150321936
No, YOU kill yourself.
Noone will miss you you pink trash.

>>150322090
no YOU kill yourself
and >>150322035

not that it'll make a difference, but who do i vote for? i like pyro better but heavy needs it more

pink has a little brain

>>150322035
Sorry , i still need help though.

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>>150321913
p i x e l s

Pyro needs it more than heavy, what are you on?

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>>150322650
>heavy needs it more

>>150322740
yeah doesn't he have less total weapons
idk i haven't been into tf2 for a while

>Pyro needs MORE broken, annoying, and cancerous weapons than the literal one playstyle class

>>150322650
it doesn't matter who you vote anymore for but i voted for team pyro because winning team might get a reward

>>150322740
pyro always gets rebalances and is still fucking broken
dedicating another update to add some stupid shit to that class will be a waste
heavy only has 1 viable primary sidegrade and 1 viable secondary sidegrade

do the math

i wish my tf2gfu was online

>>150322740
On heavy we have Natascha , Sasha , Tomislav ( Svetlana ? ) , Brass beast ( i don't fucking know )

On pyro we have : Degreaser , Stock , Backburner , Phlogi

For heavy i would love the heavy equivalent of a rocket jumping minigun. Perhaps something that propels you and you fly while it does no damage.

As for pyro i would love something that focuses more on more afterburn damage and duration but less direct damage.

>>150323289
With brass beast i hug the cart, i dont need to move.

>>150323227
yeah, so we could have mid air sandvich pootis heavies
that would be great

>>150323227
what heavy needs is a separate sandvich slot

>>150323519
>What is Vaccinator and 3 pocket medics.
>What is spybro

>>150323492
deflect traces already passes through friendly entities though
all they have to do is make it pass through enemy entities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3UuKebl_JQ

and maybe fix the retarded box airblast shit

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Why can't we just have this on soldiers and Heavies.

>>150324345
>you can't be a big guy on tf2
sigh feels bad

>its a heavymain demands attention episode

>>150324529
>People talking about heavy
>A person who mains heavy also talking about heavy
>Attention

:x

>>150325875
but hol

>>150325875
pootis shooter

>>150325875
i should be playing a better class

>>150325875
anime

>>150325875
>>150326069
rerolling this

>>150325875
mmph

>>150325875
rootis pootis point and shootis

>>150325875
I hope spy-kun lets me kill him in two hits this time d-desu

>>150325875
gunslinger

>>150325705
Let it go, you probably don't even know either of them, dude.

>>150325875
feminine pronouns please

>>150325875
>>150326341
rroll

>>150325875
get your best memes on 4chan.org/vg/tf2

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>>150309436
DELETE SWIFTWATER

>>150325875
>>150326341
roll

>>150325875
add me for free items id/europeanvegas

>>150326412
shut the fuck up yellow you fucking leech

>>150326526
God damn swiftwater 6s is awful

>>150326634
>>150326146
winners

>>150326767
Swiftwater pubs are fucking awful too.

>>150326797
GET YOUR MEMES ON 4CHAN.ORG

i love playing sniper on swiftwater!

>>150326797
fuck my fucking ass

id/xionxang

>get a group of people together
>queue into casual
>bind a key to say "good kill"
>any time somebody in your group gets a kill everyone presses the bind

Were should I go to find people to queue up with, I hate solo queuing.
Always seems like it's just gibus retards on my team and a well coordinated team on the other side.

>>150326797
OVERPOWERED PICE OF SHIT

OVERPOWERED PECE OF SHIT

>>150326797
Rescure ragner

I like shoot buildgines

>>150326797
dotsy isn't cute

>>150327098
Check the OP.

>>150326797
sumimasen

>>150326797
>>150327218
reroll

guess who's back from her ban
I missed you guys and gals
http://tf2r.com/k8c2kft.html

>>150327618
go back in the oven

>>150327676
what ?

>>150327764
Go BACK into THE OVEN
YOU'RE UNDERCOOKED

>>150328052
anon, you're confusing me

>>150309426
>unnecessary soldier buffs
are you the TF team? 0/10

>>150326797
uguu sempai

Select on the server browser, the community servers with no mods, no plugins, no ads, no bullshit but do have at least 6 players.

95.172.92.26:27015

EU goldrush

how come the price of white paint is dropping

>>150329717
>10 servers found
>5 are 24/7 dustbowl
>4 are 24/7 2fort
>1 is 24/7 hightower

Welcome to TF2!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=524072254
i want to paint this white

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>>150330307
why are you like this?

>>150330697
i pity your existence

>>150330858
:s

>who even is sykky
she is my favorite non-tf2g tf2g pal

oh
:s

me

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When will TF2 have DRAGON GIRLS?

war will end on august 14th
hopefully theres enough time for valve to rig it until then

>>150334332
>>150334382
>>150334409
great tf2 discussion

>>150334970
the mods aren't going to care, so why should we care?

>>150309539

>Page 7
Threads dead

Here are some things to discuss

1)
>have you read your TF2 lore
>have you read the comics
>how do you feel about the TFC mercs return

2)
>Medic v. Mercy
>who's the better medic

3)
>who is best character


4)
>who would make the best trap

5)
>why is the soldier the best class

6)
>try to create a class for each category; Offense Defense Support

i dont hate my tf2gfu much

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>>150338230
Scout best trap

>>150338230
>Offense
Demoman with a stronger stickybomb launcher

>Defense
Engineer but he builds a box that crashes the server when he starts losing mid

>Support
Zenyatta but in TF2

me the FUCK is sleepy

the FUCK is sleepy?

NEW MULSKELK VIDEO

W H O
C A R E S

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Has anybody else found themselves occasionally spawning on the wrong side in matchmaking?

is TF2 dead?

Should I start trading all my TF2 keys for CSGO keys?

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How would you adjust each class to make it fit it's role better?

>>150340945
>categorizing anything

>>150338230
1)
yes
yes
It's good stuff. I would like to see comics with the 1850 TF team. Probably won't happen tho

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>>150341626
>him
:x

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>>150340945
>Pick/Flank
Scout, sniper, spy, soldier (Gunboats), pyro (some shitty meme crit weapon/powerjack)

>Support
Medic, engineer, Pyro (Homewrecker)

Combo
>Demoman, Heavy, Soldier (Shotgun), Pyro (Homewrecker)

>>150341720
>soldier
>spy
>sniper

its like you don't know what your talking abvout

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>>150341914
>When you fuck up the greentext

>>150338230
6)
Offense : A non nigger demoman with better pipes

Defense : A class with primary an SMG type weapon that can actually do damage and has accuracy

Support : A class focused around making people bleed / bleed to death

Can't think of much shit all 9 classes round the game pretty fucking well.

>>150341821
do we have more high stakes screenshots of that fag ?

im sleepy

>>150342953
we need a caption right below it saying : Soy Sauce. Just that away from perfection.

can someone post the b4nny pic comic thing with the pyros getting mad PLEASE
thanks

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>>150343262
No but I have him crying about pyros

>>150338605
>Doesn't have the last image where Spy is holding a bullet-riddled Scout

mfw dead ringer and stock revolver

underrated

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mfw my tf2gfu

>>150343804
it doesnt really take that long to type 3 words and select an image

*beeps*

*boops*

:x

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*Bird noises*

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*Russian noises*

"hey are you selling your unusual salty dog?"
"yeah sure"
"how much?"
"30 keys"
"Nice try scammer i know it's not worth that much. Fuckhead."
"???"
"i'm reporting you to steamrep you scammer. You're gonna get trade banned"

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>150348603
entrapment!

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>>150350002
haha

>>150350002
now you are avatarfagging. go back into the oven.

>>150311893
i dont get it (the picture)
why are there flames

>>150351402
Don't forget evading

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Alright, post casual stats

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>>150351816

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>>150351816

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I'll post what I want to post :P

>>150352225
is mm+soloq worth playing yet

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ffffffp

^shut up dum dum

>>150352579
Not unless you can singlehandedly carry teams of retards

>>150352579
nah
i soloq in my alt and i didnt even get out from rank 2 yet

>>150348603
This sort of shit happens to me all the time, couple of my unusuals are priced straight wrong on the bible.

i was just kidding
never shut up
because i like your posts

>>150353485
i was able to rank up to 3 with the old abandon system

if less abandons happen i might be able to go up another rank

Bonk! Atomic Punch
>On use: Increases health by 750 (can overheal)
>Adds a debuff that drains 75 health per second
>Cannot attack while the debuff is active
>Taking damage reduces the length of the debuff (1 second for every 75 damage taken)

Oh let's break it DOWN

>>150354428
so scout is going to end up with 75 health by the end of the bonk?

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so when has the tf2 team last answered to your dumb questions

>>150354941
Personally I don't enjoy being glad-handed, but it would be nice to get an answer on a couple of issues with the pyrovision system.

>>150355210
But your mom likes it when I glad-hand her

NEW TEAM FORTRESS 2 UPDATE RELEASED

List of changes:
1.-Weapons for all slots now categorized in 2 types
>Relevant
>We were drunk when we made this

2.-Only the Relevant list is enabled in competitive

>>150355605
good update

>people compliment you on your sniping

uwu

>people ban you for your sniping

(@_@)

I forgot how bad this thread is

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>>150317145
>asteroid and cactus are still in beta for 2 fucking years
>no beta option in casual
>mfw I will never see cactus canyon having a 3D Skybox.

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>>150352225
>magazine saying "10 Household cleaners that won't kill you!"
>smiling demoman on it
Ok, I laughed nice one volvo

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post

hey its me ur reddit memes

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>>150358996

oh

i didnt know it was a reddit meme

should i change it to something else

>>150359208
It's not necessarily a reddit meme. It was a conversation in Steam chat which just happened to have been posted on the CS subreddit

I wouldn't call it a reddit meme, though

yes

like "i am a huge faggot" or something more fitting for you

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>>150358996
>>150359141
buying weapons is dumb

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>>150358996
I need to stop being poor and get a good sniper set going.

that was mean of you to say

now i am not going to change the name

i want reddit to go and stay go

>>150359827
No, thanks

>>150359827
:'[

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>play tf2 for the first time in months
>get top in first casual game

Is competitive anything like this or will it crush my spirits

>payed

lol overwatch players

>>150360005
latter
competitive attracts the worst of the scout and sniper mains
if youre not teaming up with someone, youll stay eternally in fresh meat hell

>>150360005
competitive is shit, at some point valve will rework it and reset everyone's rank, making playing it pointless

>>150360692
they should still call it beta on this version
its just a beta, used to be closed, now open
none of the main things changed at all

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>>150358996

>select all options in KOTH
>wait 30 minutes to get into a match

???

why is this still allowed?

>playing tf2

???

>>150360005
>>150360237
Is the pool of players even enough to support good matchmaking? whenever I play it seems it doesn't matter what rank you are you'd just be ranked who just so happens to be playing around your area.

if they made ranks that worked like in csgo, lower skill players would like comp mm more and higher skill players wouldn't be so bored

hey guys just dropping in, has valve fixed the latest shitty bug yet? i was on briefly yesterday and none of the casual servers had round timers.

Reminder MM needs to be changed to >>150309430 instead of whatever godawful algorithm is in place right now.

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>there will never be a new sentry, new types of dispensers, or teleporters for engie

>>150309342
any way to use the command mat_mipmaptextures 0 only on weapons?

>>150366478
>Mega Sentry
Has 3 miniguns, fires 6 rockets at once, and has a spinning flamethrower that ignites any enemies nearby. Level 1 only has 2 miniguns, level 2 has 2 rockets, and level 3 has the 6 rockets and flamethrower. Costs 200 metal to make, 300 metal to upgrade.
>Amplifier
50% health and ammo rate (but not metal), nearby allies do X% more damage.
>Launcher
Like a regular teleporter, but launches the teleported target forwards. Can only upgrade to level 2.

>>150366860
The mini dispenser on the workshop looks cool. Maybe slightly increase the the amount of health and ammo it could give and I could see it in the game no problem.

I always wanted a sentry that does a large amount of damage but at low firing rate, the turret also moves slower so that the sentry is crap in short range engagements.

The launcher is an ok idea, but I rather build some sort of speed pads that give a movement speed buff, you can build two of the,

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>>150351816
i like french Man and his go away clock

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>>150351816

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>>150366860

https://backpack tf/item/5012259969
https://backpack tf/profiles/76561198090898191

REEEE

>>150366478
>Resupply crate
Touching it acts as a medium ammo pack and a small health kit for allies. Has a cooldown on usage equal to the resupply locker. Can not be upgraded, builds faster
>Speed booster
Allows allies to move faster for 8 seconds or until they take damage, builds faster and can not be upgraded
>Jump pad
Hurls an ally into the air, ignores crouching allies, builds faster and (guess)

what if there was a mini teleporter that was really quick to set up (2-5 seconds) but held limited teleport charges and everytime someone used it it took away 1 charge

and it would cost 10 metal to replenish a charge and there would be a total of 5 charges or something

i think this would be cool

>>150368638
i think you're cool

>>150368775
i think im cool too
but what do you think about the teleporter

>>150369138
which teleporter

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>>150351816
kill.....
>>150352579
you have to take the competitive aspect with a grain of salt
you're going to be put in servers with 150-300 ping, have absolutely new players who hardly know what they're doing, getting constant abandons and occasional aimbots or stacks
it's bound to be more fun with a friend or two to laugh it off with and just enjoy yourselves

>>150369215
you know
the one i described
the first post you replied to

>>150369525
oh i havent seen this in the game yet
how do i unlock it?

>>150369615
well, first the idea will have to be implemented by valve
and i doubt you will have to unlock it, its probably going to be buildable if you choose the gunslinger

>>150369851
ooh i think its a very good idea

can you fucks stop being so autistic jfc

what for

it's annoying as FUCK
you're embarrassing
stop it

oh

wtf else are we supposed to do

>>150369969
noe :)

>>150368624
>Maxi-pad
>worn as a diaper to absorb discharge and provide protection from Jarate

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dead game dead general

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Which is your favorite crosshair? I find + to be the most enjoyable, followed by NO crosshair for the days when I'm looking for added difficulty. I have a feeling that I'm more accurate with a grenade launcher if I remove the crosshair. What are your thoughts on crosshairs?

>>150373402
i dont think anything would change even if i had a vagina shaped crosshait

>>150374425
Certainly something would be change. You'd have less vision or a harder erection.

Is the L'Etranger a straight upgrade? The upsides are huge and it still functions very well as a revolver.

>>150373402
I like just +

>>150375105
I'll say. I run it plus the cloak and dagger for maximum creepage.

>>150375014
nope
i aim with my mouse, not my crosshair
to be honest the crosshair is like the last thing im paying attention to

daily reminder: if you dont aim reflexively IE looking at who you want to shoot then flicking and clicking without thinking

youre not good

>>150375620
its been working so far
i barely need my crosshair for demo
sometimes i land such good pipes that i dont even realize what i did after i shot them

>>150375443
What's the first thing you're paying attention to?
>>150375620
>without thinking
That's probably a bad idea but what do I know

How the fuck to backstabs work in this game

Sometimes I'll literally just swipe at their back and sometimes I'll pull them right out of my ass

>>150373402
the dot at the smallest size with white color

its very clean!

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>>150375930
you can "backstab" people from their sides so it's pretty easy to pull them off

>>150375868
my position
enemy's position
mine and enemy's health
their class and awareness levels
whether i should commit to the fight
objective status

honsetly crosshair would be the last thing that would go through my mind during a fight

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>>150376161
when are they going to fix this shit

>>150375793
i like to play w/o crosshair its fun and lets me focus on just reflexes
>>150375868
it's literally just reflexes built up from training flicking
once you get to that point you very quickly learn who's good and who's not by their movement because most people are sitting ducks once you can flick to them reflexively.
you enter "can 180 flick headshot people chasing me through doorways" territory once you can aim w/o thinking
also confidence

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>>150375930
Backstabs don't work.

Because you have a context-sensitive attack when the melee hitbox is the fuckest bologna shit in TF2.

It's literally more fucked than pyro mojo but nobody cares because the EBIN spy mains know how to benefit reliably from it and they love to mislabel it as lag compensation even though that isn't REMOTELY how lag compensation works.

>>150376612
i got backstabbed by a apy who walked straight into my face
how do you explain that

>>150376406
>>150376237
>>150375868
i should add that i achieved good aim through striving to get accurate with flicks while moving erratically vs people moving erratically
as spy, with stock revolver
shit on the class all you want but honestly stock revolver is great aim practice because the circumstances youll be shooting as a spy will usually be shitty, IE surrounded by people while escaping. once you can hit most of your 6 shots while moving evasively, you'll see how many easy kills become available because point n clicc
and im talking about playing with invis btw faggots no cop out fake death and run away to amby headshot someone standing still
>>150376612
>>150376713
as an ebin spy main backstabs are pretty fucked yeah
most of the time theyre predictable enough where you can pretty confidently go in for a stab, or a really minimal stab at the shoulder, but ive had stabs on people standing still w their backs turned to me on low ping fail 3 times in a row (crit sound no dmg) so lmao
ive also killed people staring at me on accident while trying to trick them into turning around

if you let a spy slip out of your fov/just halfway into the very edge of it, youve probably been legit matador'd/sidestepped
if he's in the middle 70% of your screen and you die though chances are he also stabbed you in the face on his screen lol
tf2s just shit guys

>>150376713
I got backstabbed by a spy I charged into as a demoknight and was currently being tossed into the air like a salmon about to be sliced in half by an angry Scottish immigrant with a sword.

It's a combination of lag compensation and the delayed melee hitbox.

Yes you heard me right, the melee hitbox is DELAYED and travels behind the hitscan and projectile ones. This includes turning.

But don't worry, those epic spy mains will be sure to tell you how it was just "lag compensation" and how they just know the game so damn well.

Even though lag compensation only results in wonky shit on the receiving end and wouldn't create facestabs or butterknife backstabs on the spys end BUT that would require actually fucking understanding the game and spy mains can't be pressured to do that.

>>150376946
spys knife melee isnt delayed it registers the instant you click

so the programmers have said and most of the time it feels like that but sometimes its bullshit
pretty sure all knives have behave like hitscan though and dont have a .75 second delay

the specifics of why the system is shit is a mystery but its pretty obvious its rubbish, so

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>>150376894
>>150376946
>and valve will never fix this

i feel jealous of the people that managed to throw this game away and move on

>>150376612
>more fucked than the pyro mojo
>recent videos about pyros airblast hitbox + flamethrower particle travel
lmao no getting killed from a mile away by invisible fire or pushed into a death pit from 2 miles away is far worse from bullshit instakill you can avoid if youre good enough to kill the spy outside of melee range

what is gamesense and situational awareness
source: the science of corners and angles, by some quakefag

>>150377086
Me too

I looked at Dota 2 today but I heard the community is somehow even more toxic than this one

>>150377069
>spys knife melee isnt delayed it registers the instant you click

I'm talking about the hitbox, not the attack.

Also all melee attacks work like a short-ranged hitscan, the hitscan simply isn't triggered until during the attack instead of when you first start the attack.

However instead of using the hitscan hitbox it uses a delayed hitbox.

That's my point.

>>150377086
i cant move on this game is the only thing im remotely good at even in the real world and my computer cant run sexualwatch

>>150376946
>>150377245
oh ok
this grants me further understanding as to why i seem to do better when i do things a second ahead of vision cue and my triccstabs and normal stabs are more crisp

getting good at tf2 = working out counters to peoples movements based on shitty after images of them lagging in the past

no bully pls i only use stock :^)

>Play Spy
>Be always on fire

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>>150377443
I'm going to try my best with a short visual representation.

This image here is a crude example of the three hitboxes. It assumes the class is running from the right to the left.

The projectile hitbox is very similar to the hitscan hitbox, but is larger.

The melee one is delayed, meaning it exists where the player was in the past. This means you can hit in the area of the blackbox that the green box isn't in with a melee weapon and you will miss.

On the other hand, you can hit in the green box where the black box isn't at with a melee weapon and you will hit.

Also fun fact?

Flame particles use the green melee hitbox. I have NO idea why.

>>150377797
So this explains the incredible Huntsman headshots, right?

>>150377997
Yes, the larger projectile hitbox is much more well-known than the delayed melee hitbox.

>>150377797
So that means, I click peoples backs a split second before they move where I anticipate them to, so I don't get failstabs and crit sounds?

>>150377797
additionally,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cjLVF7yVVWY

>>150377997
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
and also
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ob3Y-eE9ARw

>delayed melee hitbox
oh, so thats why i get melee critted from 10 fucking feet away. what i dont understand is how i can get killed by a magic 20 foot long kukri, but when i fully expect to die from someone right up on my ass spamming melee, they somehow miss every one while we're touching hitboxes?

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>>150375930
They don't.

>behind heavy
>even the fucking knife goes up
>click m1
>-40
>mfw

>>150378247
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=cjLVF7yVVWY

I was actually looking for that.

It does a great job of showing what lag compensation ACTUALLY does.

>>150378242
You gotta click where their back was a fraction of a second ago.

stay safe /tf2g/

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>>150378337
Let's assume you're fighting someone with a melee weapon and he's running at you and you're backpeddling away from him.

This shitty graph will show the black boxes as where you two are and the green ones as where your melee hitboxes are.

Yes, this is why in those situations you cannot fucking hit him but he has mile-long arms.

>>150378521
>You gotta click where their back was a fraction of a second ago.
translates to moving your finger to click the very second you see that 20 ping, unusual demo backpedal to within melee range so that he actually dies instead of you stabbing at the air he teleports 5 feet forward into, thus expertly dodging your stab, which happens when you trust your eyes and stab when it looks like he's actually in distance.
because tf2s retarded

>>150378718
Are you telling me that the hitboxes stay where they are

Objectively fuck this game

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>>150378718
Oh and just for better visual demonstration, the top red line is the distance YOUR melee weapon has to reach to hurt the guy running at you, and the line below it is the distance HIS melee weapon has to reach to hurt you.

>>150378821
No the melee hitboxes move, they're just delayed by a fraction of a second.

It's not normally that apparent but is a massive problem with spys.

>>150378718
makes sense, infuriates me all the more though because i hardly backpedal against melee but still die to mile long arms. also explains why the fuck i can stab a soldier from so far away. id find myself so often, riding a soldiers ass because it looks like i haven't caught up enough when i've been in the stab distance for 2 seconds.
>>150378832
why does his melee range start at the edge of his black hitbox and ours at the edge of the green?

>>150378967
Oh

But that's still kinda fucked

>>150378990
>why does his melee range start at the edge of his black hitbox and ours at the edge of the green?

Oh that was just comparing length.

Both of yours starts from the black and has to hit the green.

well i'll be damned, an actual discussion

>>150378832
so, if the in general thing for people to do to cope with tf2s bullshit has been "aim a little ahead/behind/think 1 second ahead" to deal with the general playerbase, whats the gimmick to dealing with an aware 20 ping, competent player? as in, to not get fucked by magic like this. a lot of my ability to stab people with lower ping than me goes out the window because of how fucking quick they move and how many times my bullets/knife leave blood marks but dont fucking damage the guy. sometimes i also see 20 ping players' models moving choppily as if they had 100-200. my reflexes are trained to click people juuust when they enter that little window of stab opportunity but the feel of that is completely different with low ping wizards.
i actually end up stabbing at air on accident at a 20 ping player before he runs into me, only to actually kill him when i thought i missed. and thats not uncommon lol. people with my ping though almost never.
>>150379104
ah ok

>>150379250
Oh you're right fuck

dotsy isn't cute

>>150379339
no please continue the discussion
i actually liked it here for once

>>150378832
>>150379303
now im assuming because of how ping works, with say me being 40 ping vs a 20 ping or lower soldier, im probably going to want to predict more, IE look into the future by a second or two more and potentially click at his back 1 or 2 feet ahead of when i'd normally click against a "normal" dude?
forgive my shitty terminology/engrish

Holy shit guys I just asked how backstabs work

Thank you all for helping me understand how broken this game is

>>150378718
>>150378832
What about pyro v/s pyro flamethrower only? Since they also use melee hitboxes.

I remember that in this case, the one backpedaling has the advantage instead but that doesn't really make sense.

>>150379303
That would be where looking at what an actual spy main says to do would benefit.

Even if they don't understand how it works, they HAVE devoted their life to making it work regardless.

I, on the other hand, just play a lot of stock demo.

And heavy

>>150379528
hah well i AM a spy main and i have devoted my life to somehow making this bullshit work, but i dont understand the science. in game when im playing i just typically click at people when they reach a certain range based on their models, but when really low ping people show up i have to pay REALLY close attention to their models. i can't prove it but it feels like their models and hitboxes move before the normal visual cues im used to start up.
1500 hours trying to be good at something broken end my suffering

Any good Spy videos on YouTube now that MrP is gone?

He wasn't *super* entertaining, but his videos were comfy and informative.

>>150379447
Pyro flamethrower works out differently because of how the flamethrower particles work. They're made to travel a specific distance after they're born so running at something will shorten the length of your flamethrower (because the particles were born farther away from your target than the new ones are being made) whereas someone backpeddling would have their flamethrower length increased.

This little effect more than makes up for the melee hitbox delay, but mojo would still be a bigger factor than either of those two.

>>150379421
I'm not exactly sure how, or if, ping works into this aside from lag compensation working as it normally does with everything.

In which case you just gotta hope shit works.

>>150351816
>>150367807
>cp instead of koth
t. bad taste

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>>150309342
>OP image is a my little pony character

TF2 players in a nutshell

Is there any reason level 3 buildings have exactly 216 hp? Is this value based on something or was it pulled straight out of the ass? Someone explain.

>>150379528
for discussion sake: idk a few weeks ago i had a very good pub as spy against actually decent people with passable ping and i specifically remember that round being good because my stab registration was extremely smooth. pretty sure i was clicking at the minimum amount of window and that that translated to clicking a little quicker and kind of a slightly longer range, it felt like. got a lot of really smooth stabs of various kinds, walking up to people backpedaling, cutting off someones strafe, chasing people, sidestabs, dropstabs, they all felt extremely fluid but it kind of feel like i was clicking "early". i haven't had a game feel like that since, but i def remember being surprised with how consistent that game was when i started clicking early. i went 45-6 on upward IIRC, as stock spoy
>>150379703
mr p has always been meh. give me a minute and i will find you a few.... there arent VERY many yt spies i actually like because i don't feel like a lot of them are.... that good? even the "really good" YT ones, most except a really tiny amount (of mostly unknown people), i feel like most of the famous ones are too sloppy and just not efficient enough. only a few mainly unknown people on YT i know of i actually think of as really good, based on a couple of super good comp spies i used to play with for years.

most YT spies, their movement just isn't on point at all. they don't move cautiously and quickly enough, which baffles me because idk how they can be as good as they are and never do 180s, because my experience taught me every time that i neglected to be completely aware id get fucked. maybe it's just me? but i feel like a lot of spy is calculating for shit you can't see coming and always going with a plan of movement that gives you at least some options.
>>150379960
viaduct koth king and maybe suijin are the only good maps and i took koth off the tick because the ONLY fucking games i was getting put in were koth that day