/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>go downstairs
>there's a nymph next to me
>steals literally half of my eq
>disappears
so this is nethack huh? fuck this bullshit

>>150286837
She just tele'd away.
Hunt her down, give her the D and get your equipment back.
Actually you'll just end up losing it all, probably.

>>150286935
I know that much
what's bothering me is that this was unavoidable

>>150287000
Nice trips.
Also, we're the only posters in this thread so far.
We need a new good roguelike to circlejerk over.

>>150287290
I'm not going to post much today because I've just got banned from all boards for 24h for ironically shitposting about shitty anime on /a/ and typing on a phone is annoying
also
>new good roguelike
>ever

>>150287000
Literally impossible, monsters are paralyzed on the first turn you spend on a floor. Also nymphs are generated asleep, so you probably attacked her
Next time move away and use wands/spells/potions/ranged attacks of any sort
Hell just throw your shit at her, she's going to steal it anyway so at least you could try doing some damage

>>150287554
my bad checked the log and I did hit her
her symbol was this dark blue and I didn't notice her on black background I guess, fuck windows

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>>150287712
>I did hit her

>page 10 at 9 posts
Dark days for /rlg/.

>>150290493
Truly dark times.
Even when I chose such a spiffy OP image.

Is shroud of Golubria any good at any point of the game? Early on it seems to fall apart instantly.

>>150289019
>wow what a splat Mark

>>150290698
it blocks one attack late game, sometimes, thats just good enough

>>150290698

It's endgame tier. You could use it from tabbable melee mobs to Antaeus

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One trip to ziggurat is enough to get what I need.

>use scroll of acquirement in ziggurat to get necronomicon
>get necronomicon again in the next ziggurat floor

Besides that, everything works out well.

>>150291693
grat
>offline tiles

>>150291693
cheaters deserve nothing

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>>150291693
Congratulations my män.

>>150292671
Well, now I'm curious. Source?

>>150292671
Victim Girls 12 - Another one Bites the Dust

>>150291296
>>150291454
I suspect memery, but it's not like I'm hurting for spell levels or anything.

>>150294095
Meant to reply to >>150293898

they actually removed book amnesia the absolute madmen!

>>150295321
T-they fookin' wot?!

>>150291693

>17:19:43
>started from July 31-Aug 1
>78218 turns

this is so wrong in more ways than one

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>find trove
>asks me for a potion of experience

Nigga I normally don't even find them in a game. What makes you think I'm gonna get one for your goddamned trove door?

>>150298456
That's a good deal, exp potions late in the game can't even raise a main skill a single level

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Down he goes. A lot easier than the last time.

>>150298528
Of course I'm gonna use it on the door, but I'm pretty sure that unless I zigg dive, I ain't gonna find an exp pot until I'm good to ascend.

>fall through shaft
>land right next to centaur
>no tp scrolls but Blink is available
>shoots me b4 I blink
>shoots me when I land not even 2 tiles away from it
>You Die
lmao wow nice ``````````game'''''''''' crawlfags

>>150299837
Crawtards will defend this.

>>150299837
It's called dungeon crawl because it's for babies.

>>150287000
>meet a girl
>lose all your stuff
>later claim that it was 'unavoidable'

Now you know what it's like for normies.

>>150298456

I just found my 3rd pot of exp right now in Lair 6

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>>150300927

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I already hate this layout.

>>150300927
I've got 8 recharge scrolls in reserve as a DD. never felt better, but I don't even use them since Trog gives me all the regen I could ever want

is hydra form worth using over blade hands? Im draconian transmuter of chei and im thinking about investing in it.

Well, a vampiric Executioner's Axe carried me trough the entire game, but it seems far less effective on extended.
Should I keep it on or should I change it for a distortion one I found on Elf or should I rebrand that distortion away?

>>150302898
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think distortion is a good brand on executioners axes because it does flat damage I believe. Generally something like freezing, flaming, antimagic, vorpal, or holy is what you want. Antimagic and holy specifically for extended.

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This floor was a lot more difficult than Dispater.
How much does rN+++ help against torment anyway? Because It feels like it doesn't do much.

>>150303538
How soon into the game do you find Vorpal?

>>150290698
the chance to fall apart scales with the damage you took
it's basically like +10 max hp

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Finally something decent for sale at a shop.

>>150304149
The more the merrier, obviously it doesnt protect 100% from it, but it does help a lot

>>150304198
D2.

>>150304198
vorpal means slicing/crushing/piercing or whatever. the name changes based on the weapon but it's extra physical damage. not as much as the elemental egos but nothing is going to resist it

After what point should it be viable for one to go into elf for better stuff?

>>150304429
>>150304445
Oh duh. Would Speed be a batter alternative to Vorpal on a 2h weapon at mindelay?

>>150304149
rN+++ is 35% damage instead of 50%

>>150304572
I could swear my life was getting halved every time I got tormented, even with rN+++.

So, /rlg/, what does the Pandemonium pizza taste like anyways?

>>150305084
Like hell

how to cheese TRJ under TSO? can't use ?torment, should i still just use immo, blink away, then start firing at jellies?

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I am not quite sure how to feel about this particular suit of armour.

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>>150305336

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is hydra form worth using over blade hands? Im draconian transmuter of chei and im thinking about investing in it.

pic unrelated

>>150305084

Pineapple pizza with a toothpaste for a hot sauce

>>150303538
flat damage brands are better on .5 delay weapons but still perfectly good on .7 ones.

Still a bad idea if you're not one of Lucy's gimps because you really dont want to blink things like panlords and fiends out of melee range so you need the ability to swap weapons.

>Complete mines and sokoban
>Feeling pretty good, already at negative AC
>Go down to D:9 to BUC test some stuff
>Take off armor
>The arch-lich touches you! You're covered in frost!
>Monsters appear from nowhere!
>The minotaur hits you!
>DYWYPI?
why

>>150305468
Get in the corridors, summon angels, buff and kill it. Spam holy flame if death oozes are too much

>>150306043
>not genociding liches beforehand

FAULT
A
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Oh come on.

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>>150306093
But I genocided the joos like /pol/ told me to.

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>>150306043
yeah that wasn't too hard really
>tfw no buff potions except for berserk rage

>>150305589
You're a MiBe, any heavy armor is great. That's doubly so since it'll stop you from doing stupid berserks.

>>150305336
I see what you fucking did there.

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am i ready for pan? my only other rf+ is a ring of fire, should I use that?

>>150286469
hi. im from /agdg/ and im thinking about making a roguelike. I just finished making the procedural dungeon generation. Im here to know what should i not do. Something that piss you guys off real bad. And what roguelike i should play now to get what a great rogulike feels like. thanks in advance.

>>150304149

>This floor was a lot more difficult than Dispater.
>146/409 in full MiBe attire

>>150304409
>decent
That's fucking great

>>150308290
You should play Brogue, Sil, Crawl, IVAN, Infra Arcana, Adom, Dynahack and Poschengband or alternatively regular Nethack and Angband for a more traditional experience to get a feel for the genre and then decide whether you like it at all and then further what you like about them.

>>150304409
>decent
Fucking offline savescummers.

>>150308546
thanks i will copy that list and play it.

>>150308290
just never remove anything

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Finally he's dead, the little bitch kept running around the room. A shame that I couldn't berserk because of his silence.

>>150308410
Well, the enemies in that floor made me retreat countless times and burn a lot of stuff. Dispater on the other hand went down "easily".

>>150308853
what do you mean never remove anything ?

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Wowow
Really makes u thunk huh...

>>150309207
He's a filthy memer.

>>150308290
Nethack is the best way to explain what a roguelike feels like. You can also play angband for an alternative, but the consensus is that angband and its ilk are too grindy.
Another way to go is elona. Nobody else has made a roguelike that compares to elona so you will easily find a fanbase if you did. Elona has tons of flaws (which you'll understand if you play a few real roguelikes, like nethack or dcss, first, without needing any additional explanation). However, the way it works on a meta-mechanical level is fantastic.

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Can I take that given my current state and is that plate worth it right now with my zero armor skill.

>>150290493
Not enough tummies desu

>>150310408
One dude sperging out over the word several threads ago doesn't a new or good meme make.

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Never saw a randart named like this

It was just +Fly +rC with +1 enchantment, though

>>150310826
Dogg, that's a wizard robe. Not just a glowing robe, or a jeweled robe, or a slimy cumrag robe, it's a WIZARD ROBE. Do you have any comprehension of how awesome a robe must be to be identifiable as a wizard robe on sight?

>>150310538
Tummies are not a meme.

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>>150310826
You found my bath robe.

>>150310261
Honestly, that armor looks like crap for 930 gold.
+7 is nice, rN+ is only useful in Depths or Vault:$ against shadow dragon and rC- will probably kill you in Ice Cave.

You're worshipping Gozag, so eventually you'll find better armor shop.
Gozag's shop quality scales with your XL so don't open the shop too early.

>>150311445
Wasn't even planning on it until after I finished orc which i'm working my way through lair now.

>>150311124
Your entire life is a meme.

>>150311567
>XL10
>Lair
Rip incoming.

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do I open the huge runed dick?

>>150313197
It's a puzzle, you need to walk around it thrice first.

>>150313615
kek i opened it and then ran into the next floor since i already have the demonic rune anyway

>>150308290
>what should i not do
this is probably obvious, but... metagame progression mechanics

don't let my new character start with +2 max hp or a better weapon or something because of something that the last character did

the first time someone plays a roguelike they should have all the same options + power as any future time -- progression should only be through the player gitting gud

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>>150310538
it hasn't changed
everyone who says tummy is still a pedophile

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>>150314625

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Among other things I should have had had heroism active before fooling around with Narse.

Are there any roguelikes other than Liberal Crime Squad that are about child prostitution instead of fighting monsters?

>>150317365
In Elona you could be the prostitute although Elona is shit played as a rougelike

>>150317365
Elona.

>>150317704
>>150317730
I get the impression that everyone prefers Elona+ now. Am I mistaken?

>>150318248
/jp/ is the final authority on Elona. Just look at what they do.

>>150318248
When people say elona, they always mean elona+.

>>150318747
Nah, /jp/ doesn't know shit about elona actually. They still suck its dick endlessly though.

>>150318917
Sucking dick is literally what anon is asking about though.

I´d really like to play roguelikes but almost all seem to have either ascii graphics that give me eye aids or retarded controls with a gazillion hotkeys because you totally need a different key for going up and going down stairs.

I really enjoyed tome, but are there any other that are similar?

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This will kill me, won't it.

>>150321048
Do you have rF+? If so it won't, if you don't then you'll have to play smart, but it isn't like it is an ice cave or anything. You might get out and oftentimes there is rF+ gear in there that is easy to grab.

>>150321451
I just went through ice caves and got a scroll of acq that gave me muh axe. That shit was painful with my +0 broadaxe.

I mean, I'm sure I can take most things that might be there but if there is a red draconian or fire giants I might be fucked.

Trove wants +2 GDA. I have GDH and enough enchant. Should I do it?

>>150321948
Are you a heavy armor dude?

>>150321948
Sure, Gold Dragons are plentiful in Zot.

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Outsmarted by hatches once again.

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Here we go.

>>150321948
Race+background and what other armor you got? I'd do it but likely be mocked for it later. Post results.

>>150321610
Neither of those monsters spawn inside volcanos. There's an extremely low chance of having one fire dragon though, but otherwise the worst you'll find inside is a lindwurm, fire crab, salamander mystic or something like that.

>>150322241
I've seen both inside volcanoes. Only 1 as an end boss of the place but I've still seen them.

>>150322029
I'm a making do with chain +5 of rElec until something better comes along dude, but 16 armour and 24 str.
>>150322181
Monstrous Ds, so I don't exactly have a lot of slots to fill.

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>>150322347

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Wasn't too bad. A bunch of centaurs, a yaktaur, and two fire gargoyles in different rooms.

>>150320324
tome4 is one of a kind as far as the interface is concerned, but plenty of roguelikes have tilesets.

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>>150322347
>2016
>using chain

>>150305336
*heck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJsRSArNYY

>>150323490
Where is the roguelikes?

>>150323631
It's important to keep your spirit up in the dungeon, anon.

>>150322181
I traded +2 GDA for Warlock's Mirror, rElec randart cloak, and +10 GDA {+4 Dex}, which I figure is about equal to a fully enchanted GDA. Now I can ditch the chain without losing rE. Not to sure about the name "Foproast" though.

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Is there any way I can get to that rune without getting blasted to death? Or it's better that I search for another floor with the rune?

>>150324040
Search for another rune. That one regenerates until you grab it, unlike the unique panlord runes.

>>150304149
rN+ is only good for blocking drain effects
vs torment it doesnt do shit, realistically speaking.

Is the rougelite general dead?

>>150305743
hydra form is the shittiest of the forms
it should just be removed and replaced with something usable/fun

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Where should I go from here? I got swamp and snake in the lair.

Should I keep grinding orc for money?

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That was close. Wasn't Cerebov considered the hardest one?

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>>150308546
>crawl
>feel of the genre

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>>150325125
Inventory for reference.

>>150325176
no

>>150325176
Cerebov is considered one of the most dangerous 1v1. Hordes of executioners from Gloorx are much, much more dangerous in my opinion.

>>150324980
yes

>>150320324
try OWH+

>>150325176
Gloorx is a little bitch if he miasma's you and manages to start the summoning train. I almost always enter his vault, make a ton of noise and tele out so I can clear his now wandering gank squad. After that, seek him out for 1v1 and try your damnedest to kill him as fast as possible. He is squishy, but he is absolutely insane if you don't pull off the quick kill. You can also try being dead when fighting him. His miasma stops being so dangerous when you're dead.

>>150325319
DCSS offers an easily digested overall roguelike formula without overdoing any specific aspect. It's mechanically fairly light but retains everything core to the genre. It's probably the best way to get acquainted with the genre.

On the other hand, elona is an example of where you can go with roguelikes if you no longer focus on dungeon crawling, dwarf fortress is an example of how complex a simulation you can run in a roguelike setting (although that's probably also its biggest flaw). Nethack shows what happens when you crank up everything to 11 while retaining a standard roguelike setting.
If you want to make a new roguelike, you should play at least these, but it remains the fact that crawl is the best way to get an initial feel of the genre.

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Any of you nerds playing Shiren?

>>150326253
Chunsoft shit is pretty meh (to outright crap, depending on title).

>>150318771
And increasingly E+ custom.

>>150326378
Nah man you just have shit taste.

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There was only one orc priest and he just spammed this. Nice game.

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This one was more problematic than I though. He kept healing and healing, and blinking away.

2 more runes to go.

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Cleared swamp and goddamn i need some rPois. Should I petition a shop for it? Cause the only other rPois in the game is a leather armor.

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Why am I still brainless? I went to -2 int and equipped a +7 int pair of boots, but the brainless status won't go away, why?

>>150330062
Man, is /rlg/ dead or what? Normally there would be at least 3 dudes telling us we're stupid in some way.

>>150330062
It will go away a little bit sooner.

>>150330459
/rlg/ is sick of DCSS, lad. Even if development wasn't a constant train ride of incompetence and disappointment, /rlg/ has still been playing and talking about it for six gazillion years.

Normally around this point someone would swoop in with a meme game to restore /rlg/'s tummy meter, but no meme games remain.

>>150330726
There was Lemon Poptart, but nooooo

>>150330845
It has to be something that /rlg/ can just pick up and play. Pirating takes too much effort, let alone paying for a legitimate copy.

>>150330845
$7 or a torrent is too hard for /rlg/.

>>150330726
let's all get into Kerkerkruip

>>150332168
nah

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And it ends, just like that, tormented by 5 demons, berserk mut kicks in, and then I got teleported away, just to give me that little hope, just to fall victim of the locals.
14/15 runes, the last one was to shy to show itself, even after 36 pan floors.
May you rest in peace OTab, and may your successors have more luck.

>>150333220
Would you mind posting your morgue? I'm interested to see how you skilled.

>>150333220
Heh, good job. Those demonspawn guys finally got a kill.

>>150333735
http://pastebin.com/HyF4KpWi

>>150334149
>http://pastebin.com/HyF4KpWi
>27 throwing
>No quivered items, or throwing stuff in general
I hope you know you can do really dumb shit like net lom lobon or paralyze Antaeus with a blowgun. Even more tame stuff like penetrator javelins will save you a lot of suffering against mutators, tormentors and hellfire dudes. Trog even keeps you well stocked with good throwing items. You definitely should have kept some around just to take potshots. My only other gripe is that you could have kept a paralyze wand for doom hounds. Oh well, perhaps next time. 36 pan floors is really awful.

>>150334690
I had 27 throwing because I didn't have much else to skill. The reason that I didn't use any throwing is that I didn't want to. I follow the name at heart and o-tabbing doesn't include throwing.

As stupid this logic is, someday I will succeed in this quest.

>>150335476
Y-you're not a minotaur IRL, are you?

>>150325319
Crawl is absolutely just Rogue with a bunch of content added. It was called Linley's Dungeon Crawl because Linley was explicit about not even trying to make something original.

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So am I ready to tackle vault 5 yet or should I fuck around in the depths first? Also, I have a hole burning in my pocket with all these resources and I have no idea what to burn them on.

>>150336000
Don't do depths before vaults. Vaults 5 is tough but you can probably manage. Just watch out for vault wardens. You may need to stairdance a bit, there are a lot of guys.

Have Gozag make some shops, but be sure to keep some money on hand for potions.

>>150335748
I am whatever you believe, anon

>>150335782
>Crawl
>with a bunch of content added
ebin meme

>>150336175
I wasn't going to do all of depths but just a floor or two. Regardless, i'm going to do something for a bit then come back for the ambush.

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>>150336245

>>150337296
10/10

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So, what to get?

>>150339015
Definitely that MR+++ amulet and the Slay+5 ring. Those are premium pieces of jewelry.

>>150294170
Neat, thanks.

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So what are you fine folks playing tonight?

>>150344796
The game of googling around to find a new memegame to introduce to /rlg/.

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Beat Vaults 5 without very much issue all things considered. Had to stair dance about 3 times then just go up for safe healing about 3 but the only real threat was elf shit.

So, should I clear depths next or do something extended?

>>150346546
Clear depths. You only ever do extended after depths + Zot.

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Oh boy, time to roll dat dice.

>>150318917
Who does then? Last time I asked an Elona question here all I got was outright wrong answers. Maybe I'll have better luck elsewhere. I got some questions about the game. If you can't give me a better alternative I guess I'll pop in over there although their thread seems to have hit the bump limit. Might wait for another thread to pop up over there.

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>>150347490
Eeeh, maybe a weapon wasn't the greatest thing to go for.

>>150347780
That's a decent weapon, but why you would waste an acquirement on that when Trog is about to give you a gift is a mystery.

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I don't get this fucking game. When does it click? Is there a game mode I should be playing?

>>150348285
What don't you get? Its diablo: the roguelike, right down to getting absolutely fucked by random rare enemies. Is there anything in particular you're having trouble with?

>>150348285
Haha, you got tricked into BUYING a roguelike.

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>>150348235
He gave me a gift just now, and what a stinker it was.

>>150348503
I love diablo and I love roguelikes. But when do I get to have fun in ToME? I don't know, there's a billion dungeons of pure popcorn and a few cool bosses in between. I figure I mght be doing something wrong.

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Should I go in?

>>150348961
Absolutely, wizlabs are fun as hell. Give us a trip report once you're in.

>>150348904
I feel like the game really picks up once you fight the master and go east. Lots of fights with enemies that put up a good fight, your character grows into whatever build you're working with, the loot game gets ridiculous, and it all goes much faster. You can try some of the crazier classes that are unique to tome too, if you're just not enjoying the typical roguelike stuff.

>>150349032
Roulette of Golubria.
How do?

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>>150348538
I think I just went full MiBe here.

>>150349230
Nice, that one's pretty fun. Jump in those green oval portals, you'll eventually find the boss.

>>150348904
Try the infinite dungeon mode.
The best ToME has to offer is autismal number crunching and weird builds.

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Acquire armour or jewellery?

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>>150349291
Oh boy, now this is !fun!

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>>150349393
There any benefit to exploring outside of the portals excluding that big center boss arena.

>>150349658
Minor loot, usually translocations stuff

>>150349536
The portal out was literally northwest of there. That was really...anticlimatic. I was expecting some real terror, but it was just a minor trip instead.

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Look at all that XP!!!

>>150349460
Is it possible to unlock the Embers of Rage races and classes for use in the regular campaign and vice-versa?

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>>150349763
All done, leaving behind the translocations books since I already know CBlink. Got cloak of starlight out of it which is decent but a touch worse than my current. Hardest thing in there was an angel.

>>150350272
Nice job. There's this one, Dhorlorke's Tomb or whatever, that can challenge even Zot-worthy characters.

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What is up, thread? How goes your living or recently deceased character? I've been out for a few days, but got a little bit of Infra Arcana in during that time. I hadn't played it in about a year, though I'd that it had been updated. The interface improvements, especially with regard to choosing skills, was a pleasant surprise. Haven't into ghoul yet.

Also a stupid part of me wants to start another PCB sorcerer because. Probably not tonight though.....probably.

>>150351769
>>150349842
also, good to see rlg is still in charge of cropping

>>150349842
Look at that cropping. As expected of /rlg/.

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I hear zot:5 is hell on earth. Am I prepared for that shit and if not what should I do to prepare?

>>150352462
Looks good to me.

>>150352462
do you have any ways of killing orbs of fire?

>>150352598
Does hitting them count? Cause that's about it.

Idea for crawl race: Innate Piety and immunity to god wrath but terrible apts

>>150352738
You should be fine with just smacking them around. Make sure to use your might pots to wreck them extra hard.

>>150352880
>He hasn't played lacertillians

>>150352738
if you want to minimize risk, always approach only one at a time, hasted. The perfect weapon for them would be a anti-magic weapon, if you can buy a one.

>>150353178
I can try and buy one from a shop I make but i'd really only get one shot at a decent weapon.

>>150353352
Oh, and I have a scroll of Acquirement. What should I spend it on?

>>150349658
>are there benefits to exploring

You've been playing DCSS long enough to know the answer to that question.

>>150353352
alternatives are a vorpal or freezing brand. or killing them really fast. they are no joke

>>150353656
I know that well enough. Just one of the bastards has ended great sprint runs. I have 2 scrolls of branding and a scroll of Acquirement. Should I blow them all trying to get anti-magic or freezing weapons? Or should I use the acquirement on gold for more gozag shops?

>>150353656
My first win was a MiBe using a freezing battleaxe. Orbs of fire are definitely the most dangerous enemy in Zot for such a character.

>>150353791
You have a jewelry slot that you might get a better artifact for. Remember, NAW. Never Acquire Weapons.

>>150352880

>switching gods
>immunity to god wrath

forwhatpurpose.jpg

>>150353978
What jewelry slot am I missing?

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>>150353978
After blowing two acquirement scrolls in hopes of an amazing otab-lord weapon, I kinda agree with this.

>>150354451
You blew two Acq scrolls on weapons while worshipping trog? At XL 16? You double fucking MiBe.

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>>150350462

>Dhorlorke's Tomb

You mean this? He's a pansy

>>150354998
>4 EV

>>150354998
No, that's Zonguldrok.

>>150355038

>needing EV as a majestic horse

>>150354851
well, in my defense, he's been giving me absolutely horrible weapons bar the one I'm currently using.

>>150354258
That +5 evasion is pretty shitty for a character at your level.

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That actually wasn't that bad. Zot 4 was almost harder. Took it low and slow.

Oh how tempting it is. On the one hand I have never won a single non-sprint game and I want to say I've won. On the other I feel as if it doesn't mean as much I don't do any extended at all.

>>150355890
Spend all your dosh and switch to TSO. Easy peasy.

>>150344796

I've been grinding Elona for 5 hours now but goddamn early game just sucks

>>150355890

So why aren't you trying the Abyss? It's not that hard even with zero resists. You could even get the rune for as less than a hundred turns

>>150357273
>5 hours
You need 300 hours of grind to finish the main quest on north tyris alone. Good luck anon-chan.

>>150357597
Does elf have a rune or is it just for gear?

>>150357607

>300 hours

I know every nook and cranny of this shit game though.

>>150349920
>races
no
>classes
yes

It's possible there might be a usermod to enable the embers races in the normal campaign, though. You'd have to check the mod database.

>>150357607
The only way someone would have 300 hours of grind for just North Tyris is if they weren't really trying to beat it and just chilling. Nothing wrong with that though. For the ones who want to move on to the rest of they game, most seem to have beaten North Tyris at around lv 30-60 at less than 100 hours in.

>>150357769

Gear only. Abyss is more tame than Elf:3 as long as you don't go down to Abyss:4

>>150358319
Just finished elf 3 a bit ago. The plans i'm mulling on now is
A)Spend everything then switch to TSO for abyss
B)Do the same but for crypt before abyss
C)Keep gozag for abyss then switch to TSO

>>150358518
I say B, Crypt is a goldmine of TSO piety. Max out in like 2 floors.

>>150349291
>when Oka keeps gifting you disto weapons
Who needs enemies when your own god is such an asshole

>>150357607
Does /rlg/ really know anything about Elona? 300 hours is just....wew lad...

how come you guys can win in these permadeath labyrinths of masochism but you can't crop a fucking picture to save your lives???

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>>150359084
Because bad cropping is in our blood.

>>150359084
I'm horrible with graphics and and pictures trigger me. That's why I play ascii games and don't like tilesets. Roguelikes are my safezone where I don't feel threatened. Expecting me to crop a picture is way too much for me to handle and I burst into tears. Baby steps anon baby steps.

Are rogue likes required to look like shit, or are there any that actually have halfway decent visuals?

>>150359740
They have to look like shit or the game will become too mainstream and rlg will shit on it with it's collective might. The further away the game is from the original rogue the more hate it will receive.

>>150359084

go away computer nerd

Is there an MPA version of PCB 5? His github seems to stop at 3.5.0.

>>150360061
Not him but I'll give it to you that at least roguelikes have a smooth 60 frames per second.

Where, in the actual fuck, is the abyssal rune supposed to be typically? Its in abyss:1 and i've been in here for like twenty minutes searching for it.

>>150359905
But the only one worth playing (ZHP) looks pretty good.

>>150358896
>look ma, I play on easy mode and still need to exploit the game!
>no, ma, I told you before, I'm not getting a job!

>>150360669
Don't you dare bring that fun roguelike with decent visuals into this thread! Go play a real roguelike like minesweeper!

>>150360209
>playing pcb at all

>>150360941
Samefag harder with your trashware.

>>150359084
Most roguelike games are easier than using Paint, because they just come down to memorization.

>>150360941
lol'd

>>150360905
Why are you so bad at games anon. That game shouldn't take you 300 hours to clear only 1/3 of it.

>>150361080
Anon, I've already made enough poor life choices that I'm in this thread. You're not going to sway me onto the straight and narrow.

>>150360209
check the elliposchengband repo and make sure to switch to the 5.0 branch (though chris broke something so I couldn't compile for me on cygwin specifically, rip)

>>150361239
See game is too mainstream, it isn't it's pretty niche but it certainly has more exposure than the stuff here, for /rlg/ so someone has to come and shit on it.

>>150360607
The rune can spawn in Abyss:3 and below, or Abyss:2 if you worship Lugonu, but never Abyss:1. The further down you go, the more likely it will spawn when an item is generated, but generally going further than the 3rd floor is a really bad idea. Depending on your luck you'll spend a good deal of time looking for it, anyway.

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>>150358896
im grinding for magic hearts to drop to evolve 3 of my pets
its been 3 weeks now and its still have yet to drop

i have a lot of regular evo hearts though

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>>150361786

>>150362098
The branch contains it, that floor does not.

>>150361271

What does a "clear" supposed to mean in Elona anyway?

>>150362230
That message is confusing as fuck. Found it on floor 3. Where to now? Slime, Pan, Hell, or Crypt?

>>150362837
Not him but you do get a clear message when you beat North Tyris and South Tyris for sure with score as well. The third act isn't done but you can count it as cleared once you've done all the content available for it I guess. There's still plenty of optional stuff you can do though.

>>150362890

So what do you think of the Abyss? It's easy right?

>>150363628
A couple moments where it got tense but easier than elf with what I saw.

>Killed from afar by Jory (89 damage)
> ... with a crystal spear
Fffffffuck LCS

>>150363546
Can't believe I have to tell some of you guys this. It's like you don't even play roguelikes. I mean hate on Elona all you want but even your other roguelike chat has shit answers. At least you guys are funny and that's why I keep coming back.

>>150364056
>being this hit by a crystal spear

>>150364056
The late game designed to benefit high HP, high AC characters. If you're squishy you're basically on a higher difficulty level.

>>150365353
I had 35 AC desu guess I got shat on pretty hard by the RNG this time around

>>150365353
>>150365784
AC doesn't matter

>>150366743

Neither does EV

>>150366838
It don't matter. None of this matters.

>>150365784
By the time you're deep enough to meet Jory, having less than 150 health is an emergency situation that warrants using a consumable or ^Qing and picking a better species.

>>150367083

HP doesn't matter.

>>150366984
technically correct

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>>150367167
What does Howl do?

>>150362890
do those branches in that order you just said them in

>>150367357

summon a Naga of Chei

>>150367618
A bit late for that, I'm already on muh last hell branch and i haven't touched slime or pan.

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Best god for a throwing-based character? Dith for cloned throws, or Oka/Trog for ammo gifts? Does Finesse apply to throwing?

>>150367752
ah, yeah they don't really matter, as a melee dude you barely are gaining any meaningful exp after the main branches anyway

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wow nice

>find unrand whip snakebite in lair
>skill M&F to 4
>start dealing more damage than previous with 15 UC

I'm probably 2 years behind on this or something, but Snakebite is fucking insane now that it's curare instead of poison

>>150368138
Curare has always been really strong, and a weapon that can deliver curare without using up ammo is obviously incredibly powerful.

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>>150323490

>>150368287
obviously, the point was that snakebite didn't have curare in its ancientcrawl incarnation

>>150367870
Trog for lots of gifts, Oka for some moderate amount. Yes.

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>>150367915
Welp, got all hell runes and rune of slime. Enter pan immediately to Gloorx's realm.

>>150368437
Yeah a lot of stuff has changed. Have you checked out the new abilities on the vampire mosquito?

>>150368650
And immediately get swarmed, slowed, and murdered.
Sad days. I can take solace that I probably would have ascended if not for wanting to go extended.

>>150366743
>>150366838
>>150366984
Just like life, it's nothing more than a game of chance. Some people have nothing going for them and succeed. Others have everything in their favor and they fail. And in many cases it's not a matter of putting in more or less effort, circumstances can still screw you over even if you had everything you could possibly hope to have on your side. Some others merely plod through life with the few things that were granted to them by fate and they still come out of it better than everybody else. There are people who are very happy because they lack ambition and so they are able to enjoy their day-to-day simplicity. In fact, if things got more interesting, so to say, they would actually become less happy. Some of these people might seem weak or bland since they don't have much in the way of words of experiences to tell, but inside their hearts their world is complete and they couldn't ask for anything more, thus they are respectful and amiable to the people around them, without asking for anything in return. There are people on the opposite side of the spectrum, whom for having everything served to them in a platter feel guilt or boredom, instead of satisfaction with the current state of their lives. Things are good enough but they want them to be more exciting, or maybe just different somehow, but amidst so many comforts, a life lived the easy and simple way, they can't find the strength to change, and they fall in a long cycle of despair and feelings of powerlessness. Take a person on each side of the coin: one is living the happiest of lives inside a bubble of mundane and simple, but pleasant dreams and experiences, while the other feels the weight of an unrealized ambition crushing down upon them until the day their will is destroyed and they get stuck in the bubble, but with feelings of frustration and insecurity instead.

>>150368852
http://pastebin.com/5mqijKR0
Pastebin of my best run yet should anybody care to read it.

y no 1 play tome

>>150368852
Heh heh. welcome to Pan, buddy.

>>150369359
Welp, today's lesson. Pan lords are on a whole different level than Hell Lords.

>>150369091
Damn man, that is rough. It looks like you died like 10 turns after seeing Gloorx. Next time take it slowly by waking him and his gank squad up by yelling into his vault and walking/tele'ing away. You want them wandering so you can kill them 1v1, and that way Gloorx will be that much easier. Other than that, you looked really good. A damn shame.

>>150369461
Yeah, I was still on the Hell mentality of "gotta go fast". Didn't even notice I was slowed until I had half a dozen scythe blades shoved up my ass.

>>150369457
Many consider Pan to be easier than Hell because it doesn't have the incessant effects. You can take your time and clear it out.

>>150368973
In the end it seems to be a matter of expectations and a general perspective of life. And yet even that seems to be out of our control. A lot of what makes our personalities and minds is shaped from whatever genes we inherited and the external influence of the environment we have grown in since they day we were born. A person living inside a bubble is going to be happy in it if the idea that such a life is perfectly fine was supported and reinforced to them. Even then, maybe one day something inside them is going to tell them that this is actually not fine, and they'll not be happy anymore even though they always were before. The opposite can happen too: someone grows to be ambitious but later on they decide that the simple things are enough to have a life worth living. And they are going to be fine like that. It's hard to tell how many things are actually in our control.

>>150369304

I play, have a bunch of wins, can hardly be bothered anymore.

>>150369584
Yeah, that miasma is death is you can't manage it. Gotta take pan slowly and quietly if possible. Reap all that exp and loot.

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>>150369304
I played a metric shitton of tome4 last year and got burned out.

>>150369304
I won skeleton archer and immediately went to skeleton gunslinger but had to do school stuff.

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Is darkgod genuinely autistic?
I mean, tome lore is pretty good and relatively low on cringe (except for the "romance"), but whenever he posts anything he sounds like he people who say
>I'm not mentally ill, I'm neurodiverse!

>>150367870

Go Oka, not Trog.

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>>150368650
i avenged you, anon, don't worry

>>150370398
Examples?

>>150370968
Thank you muh rocky brother. I should just grabbed the orb and ran but got greedy. Oh well. Try again later, after some sleep. Maybe i'll writefag the asshole too.

>>150371265
iirc if you run they follow you through the other pan floors and during the orb run too if you leave

>>150371224
Every single time he says
>my minions

>>150371398
True but the goal at that point isn't to sock them in the head and nab all their shit, its to run like hell and never look back. I can leave the dumb bastard on D:11 because going up and down stairs is too complicated for the torturous Lord of Necromancy unless i'm right there to show him how to do it so even if he leaves his chambers because I'm holding Zot's left nut it don't matter that much.

>>150370398
Pretty sure english isn't his first language and he didn't write a lot of the lore.

>>150371616
yeah the orb run isn't a big deal but i think they will follow you throughout pan, so it'd only really work on the last one wouldn't it?

>>150370398
On the other hand, darkgod has actively helped his playerbase out by bugfixing characters in the past.

I don't think it's a great metric to judge developer types by how well they get on with their userbase. The gulf in motivations between devs and users can be pretty large.

>>150371414
I don't see anything autistic about that.

>>150371765
>he didn't write a lot of the lore
Who did?

>>150372014
>Who did?

Tolkien.

>>150372014
The roguelike radio guy, I think. Maybe I'm misremembering, I haven't played ToME since it's been out of the prerelease versions.

>>150370398
the way he writes is because he's french

although as a member of the rouge likes community he is of course also autistic

>>150372085
Eyal doesn't have much left in common with Middle Earth. Mostly just small relics like the optional boss Ungole who is a huge spider of darkness.

>>150372436
>although as a member of the rouge likes community he is of course also autistic
But he's autistic in a different way.

A regular autist posts anime pictures, votes trump, argues loli vs tits

>>150372761
>There are weird autists and normal autists
That is an autistic distinction in and of itself.

>>150372761
Trump is for inbreds and racists, not autists. Bernie was the autism candidate.

I think we can all agree the true autism is in speedrunning roguelikes

>>150372971
I thought Trump like anime

>>150372989
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who actually care about turncount in DCSS
makes me shiver desu

>>150373008
be honest with me, anon
on a scale of 1 to 10 how eurocucked are you?

>>150373078
>1 to 10
spain to russia*

>elliposchengband nerfed the shit out of rune knights
what the fuck
i thought you were cool man


https://github.com/elliptic/elliposchengband/commit/a7754bdb64474b0aacf297a4ef54aeec0cb617f9

their spells and mana system were totallyremoved
now all they have is the runes that they can slap on equipment, and they cast them from hp

>>150372971
trump is for /pol/ autists, bernie was for leftwing autists

unfortunately it turns out that about half of america is /pol/ autists

>>150373078
>turncount
About how much time is one turn anyways?

I mean, after 200 million this
Outside, the world ends.
Sorry, but your quest for the Orb is now rather pointless.
You quit...
happens so either a single turn isn't that short of an amount of time or some serious shit is going on outside that you need the orb for.

>>150373321
WHEN YOU SEE A DEVELOPER ON THE MOVE

RUN AWAY, YOUR YOU'LL BE REMOVED

>>150373440
if each turn is 6 seconds D&D-style then that 200 million turns would be 38 years.

>>150373576
There are so many questions that just popped into my head now.
How big is each square such that the huge stuff can stay only in one? Just how do some of these things move as they do? How the fuck does time work inside the dungeon. There is obviously some magical fuckery going on just so that the spatial shit works and the fact that you can starve to death in an hour and a half but the world ends with no extra fanfare after 38 years.

>>150373568
your you'll are returd

>can't duct tape a trunk to a frame any more
How am I supposed to make my ghetto loot cart now?

>>150369304
I'm playing right now, just splatted a level 28 Orc Gunslinger.

>>150373078

Usually, I don't really give a shit about turn count, I explore everything for maximum loot and exp.

>be me several years ago
>watched someone nicknamed Bruce played crawl with DEFE online
>his playing style was weird, he didn't explore everything, always go to the next stair asap
>didn't even wait to heal against hell lord, he just ninjaed the rune
>he asked which rune branch should be followed first
>gave him general recommendation
>realized his turn count was really fucking low, around ~20k (probably, I didn't really remember) for 15 runes
>mfw he ranked 2nd at that server.

Holy fucking shit, if he's so fucking good at crawl why the fuck did he bother asking for advice ?

>>150374067
Assuming that the average elephant is about 15 feet long from head to ass and are the second largest variety of creature in crawl we see, with a similarly proportioned creature 2 size differences away with the yak as large with about 9.5 feet long
this would put "Huge" sized creatures at 18 feet long, likely larger due to differing forms than elephants, I would bet displacing up to 25 feet with the Serpent of Hell. Assuming this gargantuan number is true there are some weird things. The spriggan, a creature presumably less than 3 feet tall yet still faster than a goddamned centaur, covers a tile in 3.6 seconds assuming the 6 second turn timer. If tiles are 25 feet long as given by the fact that dragons can fit on just one, the spriggan just barely reaches 7 feet per second or a little less than 5 miles per hour. So the fastest playable race, not counting tengu flight or other added effects, just barely gets up to a light jog.

So remember, when you're being chased by hell on earth, scared for your life and loot, you're barely above a brisk speedwalk.

Why are spriggans faster than fucking horse people?

>>150375713

>muh speedrunning horseshit

Can anyone post the /rlg/ comic? You know the one.

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>>150377146

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>>150377146
I have many /rlg/-flavored comics saved, but I don't know which is THE one.