/twg/ - Total War General

>once you’ve unlocked an achievement in the Grand Campaign that allows Sarthorael to become a named Lord, playable in custom and multiplayer battles.

Time for plans lads.

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Pikeman strong.

>>149739608
How can we plan when we don't even know what achievement that is?

What would be better, a campaign in the Kingdoms Crusades DLC or a campaign as the Crusader States in Stainless Steel?

>Fixed an issue where the Organ Gun would have to turn 360 degrees before moving
fuck I wish I could've made a webm of this.

>>149739807
Planning in absence or possession of knowledge, either way it is what Tzeentch wills.

>>149739817
Do you want a shorter, more arcadey and better balanced experience?
Or a better looking, deeper, significantly more challenging and longer game?

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Genevieve Dieudonné legendary hero when?

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>Blood Knights

>- Speed decreased

Yeah CA. YEAH let's just make them black knights with anti-large. Even though they still have lances.
YEAH
E
A
H

W E W

>>149740160
>fuck I wish I could've made a webm of this.

i mean, youi still can

>>149741030
Can't get on my gaymen PC until the weekend. Probably be a random pain to recreate as well. Not sure how common it is.

>reinforcment bug still not fixed


ahahahahah fuck you CA

>>149740556
>Lets give VC everything
>Strong units, strong monsters, strong heroes, an overpowered lore
>But let's just nerf one thing so we can laugh at them bitch again at not being faceroll easy because it's funny lol
>Your post

>Improved the Campaign AI to make it less inclined to send armies an extremely long distance away to attack hostile hordes.

Finally

>>149741396
>varghulfs can initiate sieges now

b-but muh 3 speed

>Grudge Thrower
>- Decreased recruitment cost
>- Increased Accuracy

Oh boy :DDDD

>>149741635
>tfw no kislev gf to follow you to border prince lands anymore

why live

>>149741396
Hey I'm not a fan of how strong VC are. I'm not saying the faction should be as strong as they are.

Blood Dragons should be ridiculously powerful and expensive like they are on the TT. Nerf everything else I don't mind, but Blood Dragons are lacking right now so they should be boosted. Even if you raise their cost as well.

>>149741787
>underway interception!
>lord, 19 grudge throwers

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>>149743083
o no

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

WHY IN THE LOVE OF FUCK ARE THERE NO SQUIG UNITS?.

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G O B L I N S

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>mfw cheaping out the AI with a level garrison of troops against a giant army of stunties, so I can fuck up all their grudge throwers in the back

Eat phallic shrooms, you shit-encrusted beardy hoomielets.

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>>149744167
GOBBOS, TO ZA FORE

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What is your first goal /twg/?

A) Go blind yourself a Todbringer

B) Shit on civilization on a Grand(campaign)er scale

C) Exterminate furryniggers

D) Try and shake up metafags and invent a beastmen force to fuck everyone up in multiplayer

E) take advantage of all the beastmen experiments and farm more wins with your ebin death star

>>149746256
>What is your first goal /twg/?

Fun

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>>149746256
A and B both in GC because I want to kill everything aside Chaosbros

Never cared about MP and never will, play a few games for kicks but its meh, no buds to play fluffy and fun armies with.

>>149746560
I mostly meant A as a reference to the mini-campaign. That's what I'll be doing.

I'm sure you might get somebody if you ask around here if they're interested in all gobbos vs all empire militia plus artillery or something.

>>149746256
genocide the topknotz by turn 10

>>149747203
You can conquer half the world by turn 10.

>>149746256
Play 'an eye for an eye' on vh or legendary and rape the whole map.
Then I'm gonna do the same thing on the GC, can't wait to help Archaon bring the End Times and therefore Age of Sigmar :^)

The Amber-wizards Gryphon seems pretty weak.

>>149747759
Yeah it's a weird dealio.
They obviously can't make him a better melee combatant than the dedicated guys by sole virtue of his mount. So it's probably just for mobility with a little more tank. I wonder how much it costs compared to a pegasus.

>>149747759
>>149748284
Didn't they say they nerf'd the griffin mounts in the patch notes?

>>149749028
Uh, yes. But I only remember the generic lord's griffin's health slightly and it costs a bit more.
That changenote means it won't effect Karl's deathclaw.
Unless he was also mentioned later on.

The new wizard's griffin is a jade griffin, so specifically a different mount as well.
And they can't nerf what isn't in the game yet anyway.

You think there are plans to give VC a lord who doesn't rely on magic?

I just want a character who can absolutely fuck shit up in melee like Grimgor or The Franz

Do you guys think there should be a different balancing regarding Multi/Single-player?
Obviously in the Lore some factions are stronger than others.

>>149749582
Konrad fits the bill. Maybe Krell but that's a bit silly.
Somewhat hard to tell because they need to have magic to lead undead according to the TT.
Also depends on if they "revive" characters that are dead outside of the current "time period".

>>149749636
They only need to balance the MP purchase price of units and that's it.

>be me playing Empire
>wrecking Vampire Cunts
>Altdorf Wizard College is complete
>oh shit time to get Balthasar Gelt
>give him a big-ass army of greatswords, crossbowmen, cannons, rocket artillery
>have him fight two stacks of Skaeling made entirely of marauders
>greatswords losing to marauders in melee
>Gelt's spells aren't even putting a dent in the mead drinking fucks

Why even be Supreme Patriarch?

>>149750280
Did you remember to hammer and anvil?

>>149750280
Can't go too heavy on the artillery. Otherwise the only way marauders could beat greatswords would be by overnumbering them drastically.

All aoe damage spells are garbage. Except gork's foot against really low armour stuff.
Lore of metal use only buffs.

Wizard lords are underwhelming in general which is a shame. Gelt has the best design and best voice and I'd love to use him more.

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ONE MORE DAY

HOW ARE YOU FEELING BROTHERS OF THE WARHERD?

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>generic dorf general
>6 dwarf warriors
>2 dwarf miners
>6 quarrellers
>2 grudge throwers

VS

>3 black orcs
>2 orc big uns
>6 orc arrer boys
>2 orc boar boys
>2 trolls
>1 goblin rock lobber

Was I a bitch for corner stratting this one? was still a close victory,

>>149752335

[Angry bleating]

>>149752652
Wait shit what the fuck? I thought if they rode out I'd get the settlement, but instead I'm still not able to fucking take it with my current force. Fucking short arse dawi cunts should ride ponies or some shit, sick of these orc niggers keeping half their force after every battle.

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>>149752335
TOMORROW WE FEED ON HUMANS

When does the DLC drop? MidnightPST?

>>149750280

For God's sake get Molay's Spells and Artifacts or another mod that buffs magic

It's fucking weak as shit in the base game

>>149753294
Pretty sure 5am PST is when most games release and update on Steam, so expect it around then.

>>149750280
What kind of Marauders, the ones with Great Weapons? Greatswords are good, but they can't really block. Since marauders have almost no armor, Greatswords aren't too effective against hordes of them. Use GS against armored opponents or as flankers, they have a decent charge stat. As for Gelt, I've found his unit unit augments to be much more useful than his offensive attacks. Stick with those.

>>149752652
You could have done a little better. Orc Arrer Boyz are useless, it takes a few volleys from the crossbows to send them running. I typically put archers into skirmish just ahead of the front line infantry, let them get a few volleys off then pull them back and focus on taking out the enemy archers. One think I've learned with Dwarfs is to use the ranged weapons to substitute for the lack of fast moving cavalry. It gets much better when you get the Gryos, the fastest units in the game.

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Halberds or Spears with shields for best anvil?

Empire btw.

>>149754837
Neither.

>>149754837
Halberds.

>>149754837
Use spears with shields

>"""Allied""" gyrocopters drop bombs on my thunderers who were in melee with wolf riders, wiping half of them
CUNTS.

>>149740461
Never. This game is strangely girl free when it comes to heroes.

There might be Neferata and Morathi, but that's gonna be all the girls you'll get.

>>149755331
>Wood Elves
>High Elves
>Dark Elves
>Vampire Counts
>Tomb Kings
>Bretonnia
They all have important female characters and I'm pretty sure we'll have far more than one or two female LL and heroes.

>>149755331
>Nef

Most unlikely desu.

Brets can have the fay enchantress, TK have khalida. Wood elves have a couple I think and the high elves too.

>>149754837

Greatswords

>>149754837
>>149755013
And to give more information than just being a blunt asshole:

Depends on what you're doing, singleplayer or multiplayer.

Multiplayer you probably want spears without shields honestly. small arms projectiles aren't particularly impactful.

Also to consider in MP but SP as well, is the pervasiveness of infantry units. The charge defense isn't too noteworthy and matters very little against infantry, which most of the combat blob will be.
Large units are either cavalry used to charge, and they'll never just hit your frontline.
The other option is things like giants, which try to shove through the frontline. Then you want your highest quality anti-large held in reserve to be put forward against them, as again they won't just blindly wander into their counter.
Halberdiers are the preffered option for that.

>>149755331
>>149755496
Neferatta shouldn't appear for a number of reasons. Morathi obviously will.

Wood Elves should get Sisters of Twilight. Not sure how they would be presented in one model though.

High Elves shouldn't have a female LL. They exist and are noteworthy but still far less important than four or five male characters.

Isabella isn't very likely either maybe for Nurgle later on

Tomb kings for almost certain will have Khalida.

Bretonnia even more certainly will have the Fey Enchantress.

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>Have army in a city
>chaos faggots come attack me
>teleported to the other side of chaos faggots so me and the garrison are on opposite ends of the map
how and/or why

>>149755294
Thundering Pass battle was the best simulation of what being an infantryman must have been like during the 'use strategic bombers tactically experiment' in WW2. Literally dropping a whole string of bombs on 6 goblin wolf rider surrounded by 100 dwarf warriors.

>>149755851

Thanks, I'm leaning towards Halberds tbqh. They seem to have the same staying power I've found and will at least hurt the enemy a bit more than spears will.

>>149755997

Its a feature.

Bug which they have admitted is difficult to fix, not sure if it even got mentioned in the new patch notes.

>>149754837
>>149755851

>no swordsmen mainline with spear/halberd flank protection and greatsword shock troops

shiggy diggy

>>149754837
Both.

Alternatively Depends on where the army is.
Against chaos warriors, you don't really need the spears. but against dwarves having shields to soak up the ranged fire is important.

>>149756317
That's odd considering it worked fine in every other TW game I've played

Maps feel really big to walk towards the enemy, I don't know.

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Small, Medium, High or Ultra unit sizes?

>>149756715
High is the perfect compromise between high unit numbers and somewhat useful magic

>>149756715
Ultra or bust

>>149756715
the game is balanced around the Large unit size

>>149755851
>Wood Elves should get Sisters of Twilight.
Nah, they are too unimportant in End Times.

>>149757368
There's this meme again

Chaos champions way to heal faster?

>>149757412
>ET is meme
kek
Also, it was post to anon who also said >>149755851
>Isabella isn't very likely either maybe for Nurgle later on
Which is ET stuff too.

>>149757490
>ET is meme
But it is

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>mfw want to play warhams but can't cause new patch and content will change everything

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>>149743083

Literally the best reinforcement army. Based Dawi bro with 12 Grudge Throwers.

>>149757624
It's canon.

>>149757710
Not in TWW

>>149757769
Not confirmed.

>>149757368

The game is set and locked in time in 2502, 20 years before the End Times.
The story of the End Times arc from the novels and Tabletop is completely irrelevant to TWWH.

>>149757897

The only way to confirm it would be to make an AoS DLC, and that ain't gonna happen.

>>149757897

CA here, can confirm that its not canon

>>149757897
CA explicitly stated that TWW is based on 8th edition and that no End Times material will be used.
also what >>149757937 said

>>149756457
That's fine, though I'd put some of the greatswords right at the front though. If you're empire you'll probably be winning the cavalry dance so flank protection isn't that important in my opinion.

>>149757368
I suppose. I gave Wood Elves a little bit more thought and I'm still a bit confused. They don't really have a really good magic user as a named character. Orion and Drycha are probably the most likely LLs. Though Drycha is only a level 2 wizard.
Sisters of Twilight is the only option for a third.

As for being unimportant in the end times, I don't think it matters too much.
Kemmler only lubricated Arkhan's blade for a little bit. I can understand paying attention to him based on his long history as well though.

>>149756715
I just started at Ultra. I don't mind Large but I find it a bit weird to switch between sizes.
So ultra I shall stay.

>>149757897
It is confirmed that the End Times are not taking place in TWW. Whether or not they'll take some things from it or not is another question.
Glottkin would be really neat.

Actually. The second expansion in the leak was supposed to be dedicated to four armies for each Chaos God.
So maybe they'll ship a campaign with that which does feature the later portions of the End Times.

>>149757897

The game is absolutely confirmed to be set decades before the End Times

>>149758036

Archie is a level 2 wizard too yet he casts just as good as a bright wizard, wizard levels don't matter in this game

>>149758140
Yeah for sure. I was mostly refering to splitting the lords of a faction between a guy who is invested heavily into combat and one who is alternatively invested heavily into magic.

Chaos does break that trend though.
Not sure.

>>149758140

I wonder how you implement wizard levels in the game. Maybe have spells take up slots ala equipment, and a characters level determines how many they can know?

>>149758296
this system would be awesome, because right now a lot of wizard are like multitool hero who can buff make dmg debuff etc

>>149758296

I'm not sure if it is worth bothering with since it plays heavily into the RNG mechanics in the tabletop, an element that simply doesn't exist in TWWH

>>149758296
In Singleplayer they need a few more augments to their spellcasting to make it better than those without, or just generic heroes.

Which would move nicely to multiplayer. Where balance is the only issue. Should be much better with wargear and spell purchasing coming with the patch.

>>149758005
>stated that TWW is based on 8th edition and that no End Times material will be used.
End Times started in 8th edition (WoC armybook).

>>149758046
>The game is absolutely confirmed to be set decades before the End Times
So what? They could push timeline forward with each game.

>>149758713

Speculation.

All information we currently have tell us that the End Times aren't relevant.

Obviously any COULD happen in the future, but that's hardly a useful sentiment and in any case everything points to the Wood Elves being released before such a time shift could occur

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>>149757639
I know exactly how you feel, buddy.

>>149758928
>that the End Times aren't relevant.
>game starts when Archaon returns from the Chaos Wastes
>End Times irrelevant

>>149758632
The lead in events are also in the Vampire Counts book and shit yes.

Whether or not the event to be perceived as the End Times has started. As yes it had in a few 8th Ed army books. The End Times™
No garbage possessed(ruined) Karl Franz fighting Nagash or united Elf friends forever club ft. MalekiLL - straight outta mom's house.

>>149759001
It's obviously inspired more by Storm of Chaos than by shitty ET memery.

>>149758632
Well, technically 8th ended directly before the End Times started

>>149759001
Archaon doesn't start with the six treasures of Chaos, so it's not necessarily the End Times. He marched and sailed south many times, like the time he sieged a Bretonnian castle to locate the final treasure of Chaos.

>>149759063
Pardon me, that is to say The End Times™: Just Fuck My Franchise Up, has NOT started.

>There are people ITT who actually want Malekith to be the TRUE PHOENIX KING ALL ALONG I WAS MERELY PRETENDING TO BE EVIL.

>>149759101
>Well, technically 8th ended directly before the End Times started
Nope, WoC armybooks clearly said that beginning of Archaon's south campaign is beginning of End Times.

>>149759139

What are you even talking about?

Obviously he's not going to be the phoenix king in TWWH.

Phoenix King/Eternity King is ET fluff.

>>149759216
Archaon had many campaigns south. He hunted for the treasures for centuries.

>>149759254
That's what I meant.

There are people who want ET to be relevant to TWWH.

Thus they want the worst plot twist in the entire history of the franchise to be canon to the game.

>>149759001
Archaon's invasion is more the Storm of Chaos rather than the End times

proof : the Red-horn tribe will join Archaon during the invasion, just like they did with Storm of Chaos

>>149759216
>WoC armybooks clearly said that beginning of Archaon's south campaign is beginning of End Times
Hmm, could be, I thought it ended like 'he rallied all the WoC behind himself and wants to go south' which isn't actually the End Times but the end of the time before the End Times...
Ah, whatever, yeah it was obvious from the end of 8th edition that the End Times would follow

>>149759319
>Thus they want the worst plot twist in the entire history of the franchise to be canon to the game.
> I want my cartoonish villain back! REEEEE!
Come on dude, it was one of the best ET moments, only Archaon vs. Sigmar duel was better.

>>149757639
never thought I'd be so excited for beastmen. Never saw anyone who collected them for TT so its great to see them getting some attention now.

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>>149759426

>>149759426
>only Archaon vs. Sigmar duel was better.

You mean Archaon being cucked out of the kill was better.

>>149759578
not bait, seriously ET was cool, all villains wins, Nagash wins, Malekith wins, Mannfred wins, Archaon wins. This is what grimdark means.

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>149759578
>I don't like it therefore it's bait
Wow, great contribution!

Would you kindly tell us what you dislike about ET?

>>149759674
>>149759710
[b8ing intensifies]

>>149759646

Whoops, that was Valten, not Sigmar.

>>149759710
>Would you kindly tell us what you dislike about ET?
I suppose the answer is "evil geedubya killed muh fantasy"

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>>149759691

Seriously CA is fucking pushing the envelope with this shit. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody gets hurt at some point.

>>149759001

It's a basic bitch Chaos incursion you mong, the devs have directly confirmed that this game takes place 20 years before Archie boy started TET, it's basically a fan-fictiony soup of Storm of Chaos and 8th Edition

>>149759852
>>149759691

Tombs Kangz are literally the least interesting faction next to Beastmen, I hope they never get announced.

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>>149759691
fuck off, we get best faction tomorrow. Only Wood Elves to rape are left to make the game perfect

>>149759743
>[b8ing intensifies]
So you have no real reason to hate ET except for
>everyone hates it so I'm gonna jump on the hate train

>>149759773
>evil geedubya killed muh fantasy
Well it's true they did but at least that's more reason than
>lel bait XD

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>>149760024

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>Dark Elf Executioners are probably going to get the shitty 8th edition helmets

REEEE

>>149760106
Oh God, I am glad that you guys gone from /tg/.

>>149759001
>>149759927
It's most certainly The End Times given the other lore supplements.

That's still irrelevant given that the armybooks are frozen in time and that we're dealing with an adaptation.

>>149759929
Tomb Kangz are superb. Their lore, their characters and their army(minus garbage monstrous creatures) are all really good. The only downside is their geographical position.
Which is unfortunately a pretty big component in a TW adaptation.

>>149759674
Certain parts are neat depending on which characters you liked. Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings and Chaos got the good stuff. Everyone else became the victim of poor writing.

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>>149759942

>Flesh Bags
>Best Faction

Pick one water sack

>>149760164
>This memery again

Go away, slavposter.

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>>149760024
I personally don't really dislike End times all that much... but I feel it should of been done as a hypothetical scenario rather than an actual event. The world was interesting and had a lot of shit to work with and explore that was literally never touched but they care more about selling figures than actually making good stories. On top of all that I feel "bad guys all winning" is about as dumb as good guys winning.

The way I see it what is truly grim dark is a world of never ending torment, war and suffering. A place where conflict never ends and no one ever truly wins.

>>149747759
>>149748284
>>149749028

I'm so fucking disappointed with Transformation of Kadon. It's suppose to transform the wizard himself into a random monster. Instead it just spawns a manticore. What a let down.
At the very least they could have it replace the wizard and spawn on the same spot.

>>149760401
So pretty much "evil geedubya killed muh fantasy".

You ET haters are pathetic. Glad we got rid of you over at /tg/.

>>149760401
>The world was interesting
Nope, it was one of the most borring fantasy setting with "not-Real-World map.

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>>149760553
oh hi slavposter, the WHFB thread is still alive and well

>>149760401
It's basically considered so by the majority that just cover their ears and pretend the AoS decision wasn't made and Warhammer Fantasy retired peacefully after some weird up and down writing.

The story is better if you view it mostly from Archaon's perspective, where it isn't completely evil. As it somewhat relates to avoiding the last line of your post.

>>149760575
The setting was great in certain locations. It's just that they had to suck all the quality out of the other areas.

>>149760713
>The setting was great in certain locations.
Such as..?

>>149759216

It's not that campaign dumdum, that campaign started in the year 2521, this game is set in 2502

>>149760740
Anywhere that was contested by more than two factions at once. So no Elvish land for example.
And a positive example would encompass most of the Empire. It would make a fairly good RPG. A lot of different places and people doing a lot of different things for different reasons.

If we're talking about a geographic canvas, then yeah it's nothing special. I interpreted the discussion as more towards what could be done and which stories could be told and where.

>>149760969
>Empire
Nope.

>>149761014
Thanks for letting me know your opinion.

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>>149761131
the thread is litteraly talking about TWW's view of the lore, but nice try

And yes, it's alive and well. Go crawl to your third world slavic shithole and cry about how fantasy destroyed your precious history general

>>149761283
>litteraly talking about TWW's view of the lore,
So you are talking about fanfiction instead of WHFB, nice.

>>149760575
It was interesting but used terribly and purely for profit. You're of course welcome to disagree.

>>149761283
easier to just not reply to the slav so he has no more posts to reply to himself

>>149761523
Just think of him as a auto bump every 80 seconds.

>>149761406
>So you are talking about fanfiction instead of WHFB, nice.

But we're not discussing ET & AOS.

>>149760231
How is there lore superb? They stand around doing fuck all in the desert. If any kids wander onto their lawn they kill them, then go back to standing around doing fuck all. FASCINATING.

Next Total War will be 1500-1700.

You heard it here first.

>>149762115
But ET and AoS are canon.

>dl that kislev mod
>it gets ride of all the text in the UI

Yeah, no

>>149762198
That's pretty expensive.
Is it with DLC included or do we have to buy that too?

>>149759063
>No garbage possessed(ruined) Karl Franz
>but when he turns SSJ3 Unberogen when fighting an orc it's alright

>>149759319
>elves backstab each other politically so much that it affects the tabletop in that you can start with a crap general because lol politics
>HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY POLITICALLY BACKSTAB A RULER??????

>>149762165
They serve as a very nice origin of necromancy and vampirism, all of their characters are great.

>>149762198
Nope

Insider source here, it's going to be set sometime between 2000BC and 2000AD.

Screencap this.

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>>149762282

>>149762282
I didnt get it at first but I kekd, thanks for that anon.

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>>149762449
I can't believe GW squatted them. Like they weren't the most copyrighting dudes but they should have given them stupid names like Sandrattlers or whatever

But no, let's get ride of an entire line including awesome models that were not even 5 years old

Hello friends, please answer my questions:

-If I have a barracks in settlement A that has units that require a forgery. Can I build the forgery in another settlement or does it have to be in settlement A?

-Does the formation of ranged units matter? Does a longer firing line = do more damage?

-Do all ranged weapons arc? I ask because I was surprised to see my crossbow units arcing over my frontlines

-Am I correct in saying large units = horses or bigger? I ask because Dwarfs confuse me. Isn't everything larger than them?

-I notice some units have a trait wherein if they brace, they negate the charge bonus of enemies. What does brace mean?

Thank you.

>>149762165
>your past history doesn't count as lore

>>149762594
>If I have a barracks in settlement A that has units that require a forgery. Can I build the forgery in another settlement or does it have to be in settlement A?
You need that forgery in the region, like if you built your barrack in Carroburg, you can build the forgery at Middenheim

>>149762449
>Tomb king who wants kids to stay off his lawn
>Herald of tomb king who wants kids to stay off his lawn
>Different tomb king who wants kids to stay off his lawn
>Oooh, a tomb queen who wants kids to stay off her lawn
>Several priests who want want kids to stay off their lawns
They just don't fucking DO anything. "They did cool shit in the past" is not interesting now. Malekith, for example, did cool shit in the past, but he's also getting shit done now. Same with loads of other characters. Even lizardmen mount expeditions. But tomb kings do nothing.

>>149755851
Sisters of Twilight would be great, considering that Naestra is my waifu.

>>149762594

As long as it's withing the same province it'll count for dependencies and bonuses and such.

All units in a unit will shot if the enemy is in range, so not really.

To a degree, yes.

Yes. Large is cavalry and up.

Stand still.

Late Era or Early Era for Stainless Steel?

>>149762718
Yes I understand this. It's part of the geographic curse. When I praise them it's just about their more interesting time periods, rather than the timeline as is(pre ET).

Settra had some shit stolen and he chased the vikings halfway across the world to get it back which was fun. Khalida goes around to fuck up vampires as well.

>>149762692
it has to be in the same province but not in the same settlement
>>149762594
bracing happens if you dont move said unit at all when its being charged
only works from the front i think

>>149762873
Thing is, this is to Total Warhammer thread, not a /tg/ thread about the tabletop. How active they are in the time of Karl Franz is more relevant to their lore on founding vampirism etc. in the past, because this is when the game is set. I guess they can do expeditions like you say, but they're hardly empire builders (they've done all that) so I'm struggling to see how they'll add enough to the game to make them a high priority. For what it's worth, I think similarly about wood elves, they're also not a faction that'll go shaking up the shape of the world.

>>149763115
Dude by that reasoning you could only play a couple of factions in any total war game, at best. The whole premise of TW is that anyone can come out and conquer stuff.

>>149763115
>I think similarly about wood elves, they're also not a faction that'll go shaking up the shape of the world.
So as dwarves. or brets, or empire, or other "good guys".

>>149763115

Settra is finally going to get off his boney arse and take it all back, which probably amounts to destroying the VC and Brets in terms of win conditions. I don't know about wood elfs though.

>>149763115
Wood Elves definitely need a mechanic for meddling. In the time this game is set they've already resolved to take a larger role in the world and especially to oppose Chaos and the end times. Fighting Beastmen, culling orcs, and being a benefactor to Bretonnia should all be on their agenda. With a world roots system for appearing in various woods across the map they could be very dynamic force on the map.

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>CA isn't giving Malagor the ability to fly

>>149763373
Pretty sure he flew during the beast path demo.

>>149763373
they did the same thing to Kemmler, gimping his means of transportation and then not giving him a mount because he doesn't have rules for one in the armybook.

You know, cause he could already fly.

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>26 hours till I can play TW:W again
>probably will wait for some mod updates too

Btw, is it feasible to make separate recruitment trees for AI only? Current build order is kinda complicated for AI, most of the time he builds some retarded shit in captial city while stuff that requires level 4-5 settlements is stuck in shitty lvl 3 citites

>Level 1 settlement - unlocks basic troop recruitment without need for any additional buidlings (barracks, stables, armory and etc)
>Level 2,3,4,5 - follows same idea.

Or you also can add requirement for basic stables, barracks and smithies to unlock corresponding branches.

Combined with Proper Recruitment mod that would make for more interesting battles. Kinda annoying watching AI still fielding shitty basic armies in turn 100.

Oh, and make Archaon to spawn with fully unlocked tech tree.

>>149763115
>they're also not a faction that'll go shaking up the shape of the world.

CA is kinda allowed to do their own thing so they will cook up something.

>>149763373
I swear nobody cared this much about malagor flying or jabbas until they realised they could use them as reasons to bitch at/about CA.

I wonder what things will suddenly leap in importance when CA leaves them out of future rosters.

>>149762594
Regarding ranged units, and units in general. the width of the unit affects only the width of the firing cone. But it's nice to have them in squares because squares can rotate MUCH more easily.

>>149763115
Ah that was your angle of discussion. I didn't completely comprehend. The post I began this discussion with listed the geographic position as a big problem for a TW adaptation. I agree with your misgivings regarding the potential they have for a campaign that makes sense.

I meant it that because of their location they don't have generic friction with other factions.
Which leaves them with nothing to do.
There is stuff in the armybooks about certain KANGZ gathering forces to reestablish themselves as THE kingdom of men, but that's very loose of course.

While Lizardmen expeditions are a far more sensible type of gameplay, I see it as difficult to have proper goals for them. All I can think of is "recover old one tablet X" housed in Altdorf, raze Altdorf.

Depending on when Skaven and Lizardmen and Daemons come out in whichever sequence, I guess you could have a very disadvantaged homefront defense with a very pressing gameplay NEED(like grudges turned up to 11 maybe) to send expeditions. And you're less likely to care about the obscurity or weirdness of the missions because at least their importance is properly demonstrated.

I honestly believe that Wood Elves are the easiest to explain.
Primarily as a result of the corruption mechanic and its very clear existence on the map. A fairly simple, go and cut the corruption off at the source before it gets to us is fairly in line with their defensive isolationism in tune with their far-reaching hunts.

>>149763373
He flies short distances in his charge and attack animations.

>>149763513
Yeah, sorry, wasn't very clear (and a bit overly spiky) at first.

>>149763482
I don't mind about Jabbas because I don't like them.
I do mind about Harpies for gameplay reasons.
I didn't know Malagor couldn't fly.

Now that I do I care.
That's fucking stupid.

>>149763482

Don't give a shit about Jabberslythe.

Confident that Harpies will get added when Dark Elves get added.

But Malagor needs to be able to fly, and they need to implement a fucking Flying Off/On Toggle button for all flying units.

>>149763482

Eat shit m8, I was bummed that Kemmler couldn't fly either, I was looking forward to Malagor exactly because I wanted a Lord that could fly under his own power

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>230 weapon dmg

Isn't....Isn't that extremely low for a hero?

>>149763827
I believe it was shown as about twice that high in the new stream, to be the highest of any of the hero-level characters.

>>149763827
All weapons with AP have lower damage.

>they dont add Jabberslythe because of its cost to make
>Dark Elves beasties roster has an assload of crazy beasts

Shit

With all the complaints about Beastmen, is nobody else irritated that you don't get regular Gors until T3? Ungors aren't even real beastmen, I wipe my ass with Ungors. They don't make Greenskins make do with goblins for two tiers, but for some reason I can't have the faction's regular goatmen until i've earned goodboy points by holding the hands of these half-horned malformed asylum escapists.If they reflect tabletop at all they'll lose to everything that's better than a skeleton.

>>149763976

I know nothing about beastmen so I can't really say

>>149762438
The problem with the twist is that it ruins the entire theme of the character.

What made Malekith interesting is the same thing that (for lack of better comparison) made Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda interesting: They're "Chosen One Rejects".

Malekith was the son of his peoples greatest king and hero. He spent his entire life being told that he would one day take over the throne, and he spent his entire life preparing for that day. When that day finally comes, he is rejected, first by the politicians of his country. So he assumes the same as you do: that it's merely the bickering nobility. So he seeks out the Flame of Asuryan itself. He'll show the nobles. Divine providence will prove them wrong.

Then the flame rejects him as well.

Imagine the sheer hatred. The sheer rage. You've spent your whole (very, very long) life preparing for this glorious moment. And then God himself gives you a big, flaming, NOPE-slap across the face.

That's what made Malekith an interesting fucking character. His motivation made sense. He wasn't just "evil bad guy who is evil". Denied by his own people and his own gods. He seeks nothing but their utter destruction.

Then ET fucks that up by delivering the single most retarded handwave ever: "He just had to stay in the fire for a little longer".

>>149756715
>Ultra
Hands down. Go big or go home.

>>149763890
Don't worry, Dark and High Elves and Lizardmen will eat up a ton of big unit budget. And is also the most logical place for a (stand-alone?) expansion.
So when everyone is paying $40 for it, everything should be fine!

>>149764014
>He seeks nothing but their utter destruction.
Wow, so edgy teenager.

>>149763890
look at skaven roster too

>>149763890
Manticore's already in the game, as are dragon skeletons. Even if the dragon needs to be done anew, they can use that for the three elven dragons so it's worth it. And the hydra and kharybdis share a skeleton so it's probably worth them doing those. Cold ones are multiple units too (knights, chariots, hero/lord mounts) so they should be fine. I think dark elves will mostly be okay in terms of monsters.

On the other hand, I think the high elf lion chariot could be in trouble. The lions are only used for that, so they may not bother.

>>149764014

Yeah what the fuck. Also the next part where they said all the other Phoenix Kings after him had spells and charms protecting them when they stepped into the fire.

what the fuck

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>>149764014
>Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda

>>149764130
Cold ones are also cross-race as well.

>>149764014

I don't dislike the Malekith chosen one thing, wasn't he supposed to be the one after all? If he was it's normal that every one after him while he was alive would be a pretender

>>149763890
>>149764065

That's actually a good point. Dark Elves are a headline faction of a major expansion, so they'll get a bigger budget than beastmen, surely.

I think CA might have been surprised that anyone gave a shit at all about what beastmen came with because it's the single biggest >literally who faction. Nobody knows anybody who plays beastmen.

>>149764127

>reddit rats

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>>149764212
You know, the lizardmen ones are so fucking retarded looking that I completely forgot that they were the same race as the dark elf beasts.

>>149764164
I don't care if it's a childrens animated movie about furry animals or an epic poem about a man's travels through the afterlife in an attempt to understand the nature of God. Good writing is good writing. And Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda is an interesting and well-written character.

>>149764216
>wasn't he supposed to be the one after all?
No, that's something ET added. The entire point of the character was that he WASN'T the chosen one.

>>149763976

>With all the complaints about Beastmen, is nobody else irritated that you don't get regular Gors until T3?

Khazrak starts out with two units of Gors, should tide you over. If Beastmen are very similar to Warriors of Chaos it shouldn't take much to get to the T3 infantry recruitment building anyway.

>>149762198
I fucking hope so. It makes sense too. The only major period of history they haven't covered and its also extremely interesting.

Though it will be a casualised piece of shit so il have to mod the fuck out of it.

>>149764216
It seems like it wouldn't change much, but it's supposed to represent that the "choosing" understands that he's a nutjob if pushed far enough, so doesn't choose him. And looks to accept those that would accept the ruling even were they not chosen.

>>149764304
Heheh, yeah they did used to look the same once upon a time. And better than those ones.
Newest(last I guess) Dark Elves Cold Ones looked superb though.

>>149764130
Maybe it's possible to reappropriate Demigryph skeleton? It's kinda lion with a chicken head.

>>149764348
I got to thinking about this recently but medieval 2 would be pretty great as well. Maybe they could also extend it forwards just a little bit. But imagine Medieval 2 if the pursuit down the tech(building) tree actually had results rather than just stronger knights and shit.
If medieval combat properly evolved into warscape engine capable blackpowder units.

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>>149764429
Semi-related.

>>149764595
What the fuck is that.

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>>149764595

Every time.

>>149764634
Someone's attempt to make kislev bear cavalry, I think.

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>>149764634
Looks like a kislev bear cavalry mod attempt.

>>149764675
ayy lmao

>>149764348
They would also satisfy the medieval and the empire crowd. In the beginning you would have early fire arms, plate armor and crossbows- later in the game firearms and cannons would get more important and you would be forced to change your castles to forts if you want to stay competitive.

It also has a lot of of potential for addons warhammer style with american and asian colonies. You could focus on taking Europe or you could redirect your resources to start colonies and fight the native peoples.

>>149764758
I just want FOTS on a european map, really.

>>149764014
>He just had to stay in the fire for a little longer

That's a test of character that makes sense though

>>149764164
Better than many wu xia movies

>>149764758
I don't think it would satisfy the medieval crowd. I want both personally. And I feel it's a question of one before the other.

>>149764843
>That's a test of character that makes sense though

So then he wasn't the chosen one after all? Given that he failed the test?

Either way, it's awful writing.

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TSUUUU

>>149763827
It got doubled for the next battle. Still being tweaked.

>>149764675
Fuck, I didn't even notice nostrils before. Looks like something from Metro 2033.

>>149764705
>>149764683

>Bear cavalry

KISLEV DOES NOT HAVE ANY FUCKING BEAR CAVALRY

WHEN WILL THIS SHITTY MEME DIE

Resilience
An ability common to all units in the Beastmen roster, Resilience prevents the attrition caused by infighting between hordes in close proximity on the Campaign map.

Primal Fury
Many Gor units (Ungors, Gors, Bestigors and Centigors) have the Primal Fury ability, which brings a constant active buff to their Speed, Charge Bonus and Melee Attack characteristics.

Rowdy
Centigors are emboldened when fighting, drinking and feasting together, although such ‘bravery’ is only temporary at best. In battle, they gain immunity to vigour-loss and a leadership bonus. If their morale begins to waver however, the Rowdy effect is lost.

Bloodgreed
The Minotaurs’ Bloodgreed makes them vicious combatants, and brings buffs to their Charge Bonus, Speed, Weapon Damage and Melee Attack characteristics.

Soul Eater
The towering bipedal Cygor feasts on the souls of wizards. Any spellcasters within range of a Cygor’s aura suffer an increased chance to miscast.

Thunderous Charge
The porcine, tusky bulk of the Razorgor makes for a Thunderous Charge, granting buffs to its Charge Speed and Charge Bonus characteristics.

Vanguard Deployment
While this ability is not unique to The Beastmen, the majority of units in the Beastmen roster have it. This means that large swathes of the army may be deployed outside the normal deployment zone and deep in the field, ready to close with the enemy and strike in very short order.

----

Soul eater sounds fun

>>149765130
I don't give enough of a fuck about Kislev to know the truth. And I assume most people feel the same.
So probably never.

>>149765130
Kislev Bear Cavalry (Skycutter Chariot)

t. Radious.

>>149763976

It's not like T3 is the last tier in Warhammer, it's mid tier

>>149765197
*hushed voices*:
CA marketing executive:
>What the fuck are you doing Darren?

Darren:
>I'm deploying some of my units in the vanguard, this is a big strength of the Beastmen army, I'll be able to flank and confuse the opponent

CA marketing executive: NO just squish everything together so you can capture everything in one single view

*recording begins*
>Hi, Darren here. Playing a battle as the Beastmen against the Empire... h-hope I don't lose.

>Hey reminder that I'm new to this faction, that's why I'm not doing so well.

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How does this make you feel?

>>149765668
Crusades didn't do anything for anywhere in Europe except the middle east, where it only had the potential to help the Byzantines(and didn't, but that's another matter).
Protecting anyone wasn't really a goal in anyone's head.

As for the second paragraph, those are all actions with vague relations to those done in the name of christianity, and aren't uniquely christian in association.

That image is retarded with both arguments it presents.

>>149765668
Nice sources you've got there.

>>149765668
Everyone in medieval times was an asshole.

More at 11.

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>>149765668

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>>149765668
I don't give a fuck about any of it.

>>149765269
But gors are just forgettable goat men with no armor and poor leadership. They are mostly inferior to Orc boys and make up the majority of the warherd in the fluff. They should be tier 1.

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>>149765668

>christians

>>149765668
>>>/pol/

>>149765130
There's a TT Kislev hero who rides a bear.

>>149765810

The Northern Crusades were still Crusades numbnuts

>>149765940
And they did their job quickly. And then no longer in the name of the faith the lads started fucking around.

>>149765668
Most of that is just twisting details but.
>30y war
>crusaders
really now?

>>149739354
Total War:Middle earth when?!?

>>149766082
They mostly fought Heretics and were pretty successfull.
They had legit border disputes with Poland, I dont see the issue.

UPDATE WHEN

>>149766573

Tomorrow

>>149766573
tomorrow

>>149766573
t*m*rr*w

>>149766573
tmrw

>>149766573
.....NOW

Whats your favourite sub-campaign?

For me its the Teutonic one in MTW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4OAuK1rBiM related.

>>149766850
It's okay but I found it too easy desu.

I don't like mini campaigns personally but if I had to choose one I'd pick this one too or Age of Charlemagne

>>149766850

CharlieMayne

>>149766850
That campaign had a lot of things going on. Kalmar Union, Mongol invasion, Those english and french crusader events, Black death, Lithuanian conversion event and gunpowder. Good stuff.

>>149767062
>>149767070
That one was pretty good.

>tfw vassalizing minor factions so you could get their unique units

Gotta Catch 'Em All.

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Grace

>>149767216

That color doesn't suit her

>>149767391
It does though. Whoever she is.

>>149767391
It's actually her natural hair colour, the brown was dyed apparently.

>>149766850
Crusades, ezly.
Byzantine flame throwers and Varangian guard up in your shit.

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What did he mean by this?

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>>149767484
1 DAY

>>149767675
He really don't like Danes and is motivated to make them leave.

>>149767675

He's jelly of the true heirs of the Teutons.

Probably has slav blood too

>>149767903
t. Ragnar Rodrikson

How do we fix agents in TW

>>149767678
Those horns are way too big to be an Ungor's

>>149767903
t. Sven Larsson

>>149768063
Give players more control and interactivity over the failure/success rates of agent actions, rather than just a dice roll.

>>149768148
>Sven Larsson
>Dane

>>149766850
ROTS, mainly because I only skimmed through the M2 ones (kingdoms only good for mods) and I never played the other ones.

Then again, regarding the Teutonic campaign, having plate armored shit troops that got tired while walking was shit considering you fought an enemy that focused on skirmishing.

>>149768250
Danes are Swedes in denial, you understand the joke.

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>tfw

Anyone know why I would be getting a black screen with sound just as a battle starts?

Started happening just recently.

>>149768485
Do you play with the lights off?

>>149768582
Only when I play as VC for maximum spoopy

>take everything east of Reikland
>take Altdorf
>the cowardly """""""emperor""""""" is STILL nowhere to be found
Bit embarrassing desu.

Seriously though, this bug has basically stopped me from playing.

Anyone know what's it's caused by. Only thing I did recently was update my Nvidia drivers.

>>149768790

Probably your nvidia drivers then

>>149768790
>updating nvidia drivers
Never do this if everything is working. They've released so many shit updates in the last years.

>>149768310
>>149768148

Now you gone too far min ven.

>>149768310
We're not cucks, though.

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>>149769028

>>149769028
>he thinks Denmark is in any way different to Sweden

Anyone got the huge roll template? last time I got 92 which was suebi in caesar in gaul and I just finished

>>149768319
Next race pack anon. In the meantime I recommend stretching.

>>149769140
Finnish guy here, they're very different. Even on danish news and public debate forums they mock swedish political correctness.

>>149768319
women are inferior to men

>>149769140
From a Norwegian standpoint, they're pretty fucking different desu~

>>149769140
Yes.

As long as Inger "Ingen arabere på mit herberg" Stojberg is in charge, we don't let anything in.

>>149769140

I'll just leave this here

https://youtu.be/arjJmqDrUUI

So with Bestmen in the game, will Empire be the definitive "hardcore" faction? Apart from maybe chaos, I don't think any other faction comes close to Empire in terms of difficulty, right now.

>>149769247
They actually refer to "svenske tilstande" whenever they want an example of a failed multi-cultural state.

>>149769247
Never trust a finn.

>>149769375
pretty good soundtrack

>>149768817
>>149768975
Well that sucks

I have to fix this before the update drops.

>>149768220
It's authentic to the TT.

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Hello, Empire Pizza Company. I would like to order one Dwarf Pizza please.

Sure is /pol/ in heee

>>149769375
>Henrik Arnstad

He is such a fucking nobody. What a complete fuck up. The swedes couldn't have chosen a worse debater.

>>149769376
apart from "Beastmen" faction, the other will be emerging half stacks, so not a big deal

The Archie's invasion may be a little bit more difficult, but it's ok

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>CALL THE COUNTY LORDS

>>149769659
More like /int/.

There's a lot of overlap, though.

>>149769764
EYO FAMILY WHAT YOU WANT?

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>>149769639
>Not ordering from daemon pizza.

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Name a better unit than Crypt Horrors?

You can't.

Are Greatswords the strongest infantry unit? I feel like they are.

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>tfw no gf to talk about how Boris Todbringer is a good commender and how Clovis the First changed the history of Europe

>>149769880
Quarellers (GW)

>>149769938

Toddbringer a shit. He is not my Emperor and probably an Ulric worshipper too.

>>149769917
For their price/performance yes.

Aw man my first try at Empire on lmao hard isn't going so well. Turn 32 and I've barely stabilized Reikland.

I'm not gonna keep this campaign anyway since the beastmen are coming, but how do ya'll go about getting the Empire up to speed?

>>149769880
Peasant Bowmen

>>149769917
>>149770014
Every time i fight Greatswords they rock the dance floor.
Every time i use Greatswords they perform like regular Swordmen on a bad day.

What am i doing wrong?

>>149769917
Greatswords might have the single biggest upgrade over what tabletop says they can do. They are supposed to be the finest infantry in the Empire, sworn not to retreat. In tabletop they are stubborn and less likely to retreat because of >muh oath, and they've got good armor and a big weapon.

But they are just humans, and both their skills and equipment are inferior to just about anything dwarfs bring and anything chaos brings above the marauder level just trashes them. Somehow total war decided the greatsword master race could slug it out with giant supermen and autistic mithril-armored dwarfs.

>>149770180
What are you throwing against them and what are you having them fight?

Amber Wizard when fellow understanders?

>>149770269
I had them fight a mix of Orc Boys and Black Orcs.

Legend's got early access.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccTKVsZ7mWY

>>149771296
should've started the youtube/twitch channel /twg/

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>>149771296

Did Arch get early access too?

He probably didn't

>>149771550
why do you hate me?

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Why are doggos so powerful in totalel warhams?

>>149771732
in Attila they could capture towers and city centers so Warhams ain't got shit on Attila doggers

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>>149771732
doggo's are the best

>>149771296
MAN-FLESH!

>>149771550
Would she suck your dick if you told her it's what the cool city kids were doing?

>>149771248
If they were outnumbered it probably explains it. I think they'll beat either 1v1(coming pretty close to black orcs). They and Black Orcs both counter one another. While fighting both probably meant that half the time they were hitting normal boys, where their AP is wasted, while the Black orcs got them right good.

Greatswords are very nice but they're not something that can triumph against superior odds of similar units like chosen kinda can.

You either put them up against something threatening and armoured, for their good dps. You also flank and wipe out the elite unit between them as quickly as possible.
You otherwise mostly rely on their armor, keep them away from anti-armor

>>149771550
He didn't get a review copy for the game, doubt he'll get one for a DLC lel

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>>149771296

>Minotaurs make units party hard

>beastmen
who gives a fucking fuck?

GIVE ME WOOD ELVES

Lionheartx get early accses too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq31C2EA4J4

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>>149773672
>>149773672

Guess $5 Pedro shouldn't have been such a bitch

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>>149774078
Disgruntled Manfredo is really a national treasure

Wow, devolve is retardedly strong

Especially since its just making the enemy chimp out and revert to a lower state of evolution instead of a credible magic missile