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We don't have an official steam or discord group. If anyone posts in the thread about any "official" or not steam or discord groups, promising MP or not, be sure it's a shitposter group known for organizing raids and shitposting in the thread. They are known for false-flagging.
Report and ignore it.

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, July 25th:
864 – The Edict of Pistres of Charles the Bald orders defensive measures against the Vikings
1837 – The first commercial use of an electrical telegraph is successfully demonstrated by William Cooke and Charles Wheatstone on July 25, 1837 between Euston and Camden Town in London
1869 – The Japanese daimyo begin returning their land holdings to the emperor as part of the Meiji Restoration
1934 – The Nazis assassinate Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss in a failed coup attempt
1943 – World War II: Benito Mussolini is forced out of office by the Grand Council of Fascism and is replaced by Pietro Badoglio

>News
CK2 - The Reaper's Due Announced
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-reapers-due-is-here.958881/

HOI4 DD17/06
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-june-17th-patch-1-1-red-ball-express.949237/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive
https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[EU4] - Expensive Warfare Mod 1.0
http://pastebin.com/gThqFi54

>>[CK2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.5.3 - 22/07/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V7
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2] Many Houses Divided - v 0.0.1.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jso7qa1c4ystej7/MHD.rar

>>[V2] - 7 Years v4.1
http://pastebin.com/fMCvXaAA

Old Thread >>149446561
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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Incoming steam group butthurt.
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Reminder to pay for the games you play
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>>149611308
>not vaporwave
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>>149611384
Based Vaporwave
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>>149611308
>>149611384
>>149611421
>>149611427
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>>149611515
That's great but I don't know what steamgroups have to do with this
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Perfect
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>>149611743
>doesn't contain all Germans
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Is the new version of Kaiserreich out yet?

>>149611732
One day they will realize their mistakes and how they denied themselves paradise.
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>>149611743
Give denmark it's contemporary borders and I'd agree
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>>149611840
It does, all Germans outside these borders were relocated or liquidated

>>149611873
>Splitting Schleswig
No.
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i hate this general so much
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>>149611732
why is this shitposter still not banned?
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>>149610969
OP you forgot to update the hpm description, a new version is out.
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>>149612058
It's all the Turks and South Americans that are the real shitposters I bet
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>>149612058
Just report the shitposting until they get banned.
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Blast from the past here
MMU with Firenze Submod (Christmas momod has some issues that turned me off from it, like the Manchurians which I want to play getting fucked from modernization)

Do I join the Empire? I already took all of my dutch cores from it already, and my army is the greatest in Europe as you can see by my rampage across france (Though Bourbons+Argies are dicks and dont want to vassal up. May need to culturally enrich them later)

If I join the Empire, and then later become France once I irradicate them (Once I take paris, I might cheese it if their colonies are giving me trouble and inherit them) I could form a GroßHRE by being France, Emperor of the HRE. (Unless tag switching to france kicks me out, I would be pissed)

Once I hit government 18, was gonna take LEF so was gonna stay Catholic during the religious wars I think for moderate tolerance.
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>>149611308
>austrians
>not germanized slavs

sehr komisch
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>>149612420
Become a janitor
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>>149612420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOFw2UPLdPk
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>>149612240
Where did this meam come from? It's nonsensical on every level.
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HPM, could you take a looj at the event that lets you outlaw slavery as an unciv? It popped up for me as the Toucoleour in the 1850s, I went with the option that actually outlaws slavery yet it didn't do anything, all my slave states kept being slave states. I actually did get the prestige and militancy that option gives though.
Also, what do you think about a decision to reorganize Guyana to your cultures and religion late game if it's mostly (+60%) of your own culture? Seems a bit odd that a mostly British Guyana released from dismantlement in the 1920s/1930s would look exactly like a mostly untouched Guyana where caribbean hold a plurality, which was the historical path but often doesn't happen in game due to massive colonial migrations.
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>>149612991
Tibet has slaves
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>That is not true, there are plenty of other mods which are more balanced and challenging, even when playing as Prussia (the easiest singleplayer nation)
What did he mean by this?
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>>149612719
>>149612979
don't listen to them
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>>149613076
He was merely preaching the truth.
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is reddit any good?
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>>149613330
>progress of a reader
lad...
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>>149613425
It can't be worse than /gsg/
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>>149613478
It's comparable. Abandoning HPM is just like exploring the depths of literary treasure.
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Reddit told me i could find HPM guy here. Anyone know where he is?
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>>149613330
>intelelctual
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>>149613834
reddit >>>/r/eddit
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>>149613848
sauce on that?
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>>149613696
I've never played Prussia but have a strange obsession with playing brazil and bullying SA
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>>149613951
I already asked them and they told me he was here.
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>>149614120
HPM goes to f.ullchan nowadays.
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>>149614304
what?

also how can i upvote your post?
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>I've never played Prussia
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>>149612991
What was the name of the event? "The King and I"?
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>>149614598
stop Kojack, this meme is forced
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>>149614604
it's foreign governant under civilization and gunboats desu
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hpm please fix your mod
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>>149614815
Yeah, the "King and I" event.
Bit strange since I saw it working before and the event is the same thing as vanilla.
When you abolish slavery it takes some time for the pops to convert, I think it's a month. They didn't convert at all?
When you westernized, did you have slavery? It happened before or after you tagswitched to Toucouleur?
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>>149614604
HPM i talked with a Bangladesh guy i know and well...his old man is a professor of "Islamic history" (Indian history after Mughals) with major in Portugese trade.

Also can you make Bismark decision visible from the start (since people could go HM and miss it).
Also why not make Greater Austrian destiny decision instead of an event (most people dont know it even exists)
How come Turkey doesnt get cores on Egypt if they enact the reforms?
So if you got any suggestions about what you would like dug up about India...make a list.
Also if Luxembourg joins Germany you get no cores on it.
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>>149615078
Oh, fuck. I just thought it was supposed to be an instant change (like the reform) and went back to the last autosave as soon as I saw slavery was still around, that explains it then. Thanks for the help.
Also, what do you think about the Guyana part?
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>>149615054
Is the new version broken
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>>149615703
all versions are broken
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>>149615769
oh ok
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>>149615703

yes

i can't make my comfy grob braziliums anymore because hpm unironically fell for the liquor meme
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>>149615450
>Also if Luxembourg joins Germany you get no cores on it.
Historical doe :^)
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>>149611743
Is this one perfecter?
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>>149616706
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>>149616706
Yes
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>>149616706
>no tirol
>no bohemia

Lad.. you're supposed to united ALL Germanic people and Czechs are Germanic
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>>149615474
No problem.

It's a bit of a problem with colonial nations in the new/old world, like Guyana, Greenland and such.

Religion makes sense, but not culture. These nations should follow the same pattern as new world nations: when the nation is released, the original colonists assimilate in the "original" culture. Original culture of the tag, not implying any connection to former colonizers to avoid these problem. So the best solution would be to make a culture called "Guyanese", that would be neutral enough.

It isn't a big deal though, so I'm not in a hurry to do it.

>>149615450
>Also can you make Bismark decision visible from the start (since people could go HM and miss it).
It is.

>Also why not make Greater Austrian destiny decision instead of an event (most people dont know it even exists)
I will rework how that works at some point.

>How come Turkey doesnt get cores on Egypt if they enact the reforms?
Tanzimat? They had autonomy for a long while and the Egyptians were pretty pissed. I don't really think they need to get cores there.

>Also if Luxembourg joins Germany you get no cores on it.
I will probably revise that when I get to the Luxembourg Crisis.

Thanks for the offer but I'm not looking in India for a long while. I think the only changes I will do in the future is how the sepoy rebellion works, probably.

Anyway, good night anon, good night /gsg/.
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>>149616780
culture mapmode lad
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>>149616883
Aight then.
I thought you would like to put proper cultures in Mughals or something.
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>>149616856
The Germans were a stronger people as two states.
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>>149616951
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>>149617162
This type of shit is a guilty pleasure of mine
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>>149617339
4 u
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>>149617530
show pops
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Does HPM have an event for creating unasul or some kinda united SA?
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>>149617162
How much genocide? Or was it just assimilation?
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>>149617120
I see 7 Germanic states and other 2 states made for honorary Germans though
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>>149617682
>>149617757
Ethnic cleansing my friends.
Can you guess where did pops emigrate to?
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>>149617757
Pretty sure there'd be much more than 10m unaccepted pops if there was no genocide.
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>>149617791
Germans = Germanic =/= Germans
I forgot about Switzerland though, effectively a German state but they're OK and only sort of count desu
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>>149617851
>green
is that what I think it is
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>>149617689
no
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>>149618070
Nope its noculture 0 pop province
>>149617973
Speaking of Bohemia, would Bohemians ever get accepted rights in German Empire?
Like how Yugos can incorporate Bulgarians and such.
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>>149618268
>spoiler
That's exactly what I thought it was though
How are there 1.5m pops anyway? Are they literally all in Tokyo?
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>>149618268
>would Bohemians ever get accepted rights in German Empire
Not in >H>P>M but they really should, just like Dutch/Flemish if they were ever annexed by Germany for whatever reason.
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Did any of you notice there are not only no slaves in Tibet, but also no serfs in there at all in the new HPM version?
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>>149618657
Tibet stronk
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Hey, you guys remember the one guy we laughed out of /gsg/ because he made/commissioned pictures of giant women with massive breasts dressed up as nations from history, such as the Byzantine Empire?

Can someone post one of those for me, or gimme a link?
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What's the most fun country to play and why is it Italy? Despite my disgusting African borders, I enjoyed having Arabia and Yugoslavia as faithful pets :^)
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>>149617851
How do you genocide that hard in NWO?
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>>149618850
prussia is the only fun nation.
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>>149618759
There you go pal
It's historines
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>>149618850
Here's how the world played out, France was a real cock so they got it in the end. No Nazi's :/

How can I make a UK playthrough fun? I haven't done one yet but it seems very boring and tedious since you're already on the top and own so much land...
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>>149618454
Yes they are.
Basically until 2000 Chinese pops only emigrated to cities, makings 2-3 million sprawls while leaving everything else barren and empty.
>>149618543
Why wouldnt HPM implement that?
Bohemians always get stuck in the Greater Germany anyway and they would surely ask for self-governance at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_Articles_of_1871
>>149618859
There is a decision for it, it gives massive push for non accepted. HPM should implement some sort of highly nerfed version of it that suggests a pogrom of nationalities maybe?
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>>149619046
I'm talking about NWO, not HPM.
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>>149619006
Prussia was fun but I don't think I'd enjoy it the second time around, at least Italy has several routes
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>>149619046
Jesus Christ there aren't enough boats in the world for that
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>>149619145
Prussia also has several routes lad, you're in a position to do anything after you form Germany
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>>149619094
And im talking about NWO.
Decision is called Ethnic Cleansing - be a Spanish like dictatorship and spend 20 infamy for it.
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>>149619046
Post Iran's pops, I want to jerk off to it
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The only nation with real alternate routes is Austria desu
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>>149619231
Really? Was that added recently? Cause I've played fascist Germany and China and I've never seen any ethnic cleansing decisions.
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>>149618759
>the one guy we laughed out of /gsg/
But historines are great lad why would you do something so mean?
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>>149619287
Sorry didnt save it.
I did save this though.

Also HWO has shit text files, theyre all written in a long line instead like HPM list.
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>>149619213
It's boring af to form Germany though. Sure it's easy but I don't see the point in starting another game just to build proper stacks on day 1, proceed to pause everytime to make sure I'm not wasting time or about to get fucked in the influence game and so on. Even wars theirselves are easy and boring as Germany.
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>>149619359
>16.1% literacy
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>>149619021
>>149619432

Thanks lads
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>>149619456
Sure, but you can do it in less than 10 years if you're anal about it and then you're the strongest country in the game and can do whatever the fuck you want.
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>>149619432
really want to see this girl with normal sized boobs 2bh
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Did Japan really have 40% literacy in 1836?
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Get me some quality, comfy borders that still allows me to keep the Thai plurality, lads
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>>149619494
>not eating up South Germans for literacy

Also
>Austria letting Hungary go when forming Germany
>letting go of a crown that was held by your dynasty for 300 years
>not being laughing stock of Europe for next century
Seriously. Austrians would still do A-H compromise even when forming Germany.
>>149619620
Japs basically had self-governing feudal villages that required its own bureaucracy so a basic kind of literacy was quite widespread.
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>>149619849
All of the indochinese peninsula.

Exclude Burma, maybe.
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>South Africa
Why won't HPM make South Africa an exception like Australia and NZ and let them get the New World modifier already?
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>>149619359
> real alternate routes
Does "blobbing Groß________iums Imperium" not count?
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>>149619432
Historines is a Paradox Forum-tier fetish

just jerk it to normal porn
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>>149620163
Vietnam is like 90% Vietnamise and has 1.6m pops.
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>start as some asscount in Ireland
>become ruler of anglo saxon cathar Brittanian/Frankien empire
>waging holy wars against the filthy mudslimes
where to next? liberate iberia?
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>>149620269
Why is South Africa limited to historical borders only?
It should incorporate all the land you own until you reach Congo.

How come India doesnt have clams on that Mya island? Myanmar?
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>>149619849
Comfy plus Quality borders as Thaiiums is impossible because war with the UK is required and therefore not comfy by definition
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>>149620494
With comfy I mean easy to administrate, I don't really care about how I'll achieve them.
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>>149620269
>>149620490
Someone really wants to make a Gross SudAfrikums
I'm all for it
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>>149620834
w-who's that guy again?
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>Grob South Africa

Literally the only thing you gain is more niggers lads why
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>>149620834
>meanwhile in real life
Semi related but apartheid saved SA.
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>>149620882
The Charleston Chimp-Choking Champion
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>>149620340
I don't jerk it to them I just find it amusing and enjoyable to collect tb h
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I want to do a game of moving to the Caribbean and building a comfy trade-based American empire

What should my religion and culture be? I was thinking maybe Andalusian and maybe Proddy or Reformed, or a sect of Islam.

Any suggestions?
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>>149620467
this is babbys first game, now that you've won you can start somewhere else and also avoid blobbing
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>>149620730
:^)
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>>149621115
I think they're just too big
It's a pity, I like huge tits, but it's just silly
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>>149621158
>Any suggestions?
le uninstall.memeface:^)
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>>149620969
Apartheid fucked the South African demographics hard lad
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>>149621180
i was thinking of doing zorostranism or reformed slavic next
Not much to achieve anymore as a cathar
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>>149621187
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>>149621187
just
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>>149621224
The absurdity is the point, sure they'd be more fappable if they were more reasonably proportioned but that would kind of get rid of the whole point.
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>>149621318
i would advise against starting before 1066
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So has anyone compiled AARnon's posts yet? I kind of ignored it until this messalian conversion and I want to start from the beginning.

Please & Thank you
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>>149618759
poor napoopan
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>>149621612
why? because historical kingdoms and such rarely if ever form?
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>>149620269
>>149620490
>>149620834
Give me ONE good reason why every non-African culture nation should not get the same immigration modifier as the Americas. Africa is still a "New World" in the context of this game.
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>>149621298
How come mate?
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>>149621498
I think around this is fine for me
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R8 muh colonies
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>>149622124
>Alyeska
What?
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>>149622124
what's so weird about russian alaska?
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>>149622014
I think around this is fine for me though
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>>149622124
Russia with overseas colonies (even alaska) is always disgusting
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>>149622243
Reminder that that Canada as far East as Hudson Bay is rightful Russian clay
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>>149622371
If you're going to go that far then you might as well claim the world
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>>149621841
When the Apartheid was put in place, South Africa was over 20% white, over 10% coloured and around 3% asiatic. With the Apartheid, every black lived off as a typical African: "breed as much as you can so your kids can help you with work" culture, hardly any access to contraceptions and a high child mortality rate that was about to drop, hence making blacks have a shitton of children, talking about over 6 per family. Meanwhile, whites lived like they were first worlders, with family morality, access to contraceptions and all kinds of medicine and so on. It was obvious the blacks were going to outbreed the whites, but the Apartheid made it all worse. Needless to say it raised racial tensions as well and perhaps the Boers wouldn't be suffering so much today if it wasn't for it.
Also, many Chinese and white South Africans fled when the Apartheid ended because they were scared of what happened in Rhodesia, while the blacks obviously didn't.
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>>149622243
This, you gotta blob more into Central Asia and the turanic steppes
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>>149622458
Russians are destined by the will of God to attain dominance over all of Eurasia and spread (near)Whiteness
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>>149621839
niggers
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>>149622514
OK lad but really what was the realistic alternative to Apartheid? I don't see how anything about what you said about birthrates would be any different if whitey sang kumbaya alongside the negroes at the campfire
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>>149622578
pic related is the only acceptable Russian borders
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Thanks flag pack guy btw for the canada flags.
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>>149622764
Don't go colonizing?
It gave Europeans this crazy idea that africans and europeans can live together.
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>>149622764
Castration
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>>149616706
Is this one perfectererer?
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>>149623183
>The world
>Not European's birthright
>>149623187
The worldpolice would invade S.A. the second they caught whiff of that
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>>149623419
>Europe
>not the world's birthright

ftfy senpai
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>>149622764
Sadly, America is pretty much the only example of a nation that has been successful in controlling blacks from ruining everything: Keep them locked up in the Inner City where they can be contained. Free Abortions to enact a silent genocide on their population and keep them a minority. Destroy the "Black Family". Import other shitty Minorities that hate them and outbreed them, and ultimately might be easier to assimilate (I.E. Mexicans. In Dallas for example they took over neighborhoods that used to belong to blacks.)

It wasn't a perfect system of course, any city where they were concentrated tended to degrade and become shit. But the US isn't fully overrun by nigs yet so it worked.
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>>149623687
>But the US isn't fully overrun by nigs
t. President Obongo
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>>149622764
Let them live in urban areas, try to educate them whilst keeping your power. It's frustrating at the beginning but we didn't see 3 consecutive generations of urbanized blacks living with whites so far other than in the US where they often live in ghettos and have a mutual hate with da whitey, maybe it would work. Many Africans aren't useless like African Americans, I'd guess that it'd be rather easy to coexist and keep a half-half demogaphics if there was a huge white immigration to, say, Kenya after around 30 years of it being a colony.
>>
Reminder that the Dalai Lama kept personal slaves and sold them in the markets of Lhasa. Thanks HPM!
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>>149624272
That if the colonizer gave quality basic and superior education as soon as the colony started functioning, I meant. There was a sign Tanzania would follow that way when it was under German rule, but the British ruined everything.
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>>149624315
slaves produce at rgos without having any needs so they are important to prevent early game shortages
t. alex
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>>149620730
this pls
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>>149624525
>Doesn't include Tibet
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>1839
N O I C E
O
I
C
E

>>149624525
Post the pops pls.
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I plan on doing an independent Texas play through. Should I go for the historical claims, or conquer Arizona and New Mexico instead? Is the US going to spend the entire game trying to annex me?
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>>149624772
He changeownered on 1 Jan to show you his desired borders, so the pops are exactly what you'd think they are.
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>>149624272
>try to educate them whilst keeping your power.
Educating them is what got them uppity in the first place. Think about it, that would and did just create Liberals and Marxists, neither of which are in any regards compatible with colonialism, especially to the ones being colonized. Combine that with natural African Nationalism along tribal lines and what results is the exact thing that happened all over in reality.
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>>149624875
>Is the US going to spend the entire game trying to annex me?
No, they usually only try once.
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>>149624772
what >>149624915 said, but here i guess
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>>149624875
Historical claims, no point in blobbing in regions with shit RGOs and 300 pops at game start.
>Is the US going to spend the entire game trying to annex me?
Yes. Unless you get sphered by them, usually the US just annexes Texas if they sphere them but I don't think the AI can diplo-annex the player.
In short: things will get ugly when you become a GP.
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Where to lads? Should I smash apart Byzantium later and conquer Rum?

>inb4 bloobing in Africa and southern tip of Byzantium

Got them from Inheritance
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>>149625101
That's a nice cultural mosaic you got there, friend, mind combining it with ours?
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>>149625101
>10% Thai
lad
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>>149624875
Historical borders but... you'll have to back up Mexico in refuting the manifest destiny or something, else your borders will look like shit
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>tfw there was a time when ck2 and EU4 were actually fun to play
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>>149625693
>>>/r/eddit
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>tfw no animist egypt
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>>149626423
>animist egypt
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>tfw no hindu russia egypt
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>>149621653
You can just go back into the fireden archives and read it all. This link should filter out anything without images. There'll be a little chaff, but most of it should be pure AAR posts, just go back to the first Jerusalem one and continue from there: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/tripcode/%21%21SWosoNxOYeP/deleted/not-deleted/filter/text/
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>>149625693
ck2 keeps getting better with age desu
im just afraid they will royally fuck up ck3, namely by dumbing down claims
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>Alexander the Great spent most of his ruling years on an unprecedented military campaign through Asia and northeast Africa, and by the age of thirty he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world, stretching from Greece to northwestern India. He was undefeated in battle and is widely considered one of history's most successful military commanders.
>blindly blobbing in land with no kind of historical, cultural or religious connection between them

was he a redditor lads?
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>>149627060
why do they call him the great? rome did it better
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>>149627060
>blobbing
>homo
probably
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>>149627146
>rome is one person
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>>149624875
>>149625316
Texas should unironically get cores on Kansas and Oklahoma and up to the Platte River if they refute manifest destiny because that border is nonsensical and disgusting otherwise
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>>149627146
Well, the map says Alexander "the Great"
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>>149627192
>implying alexander fought all those armies by himself
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>>149626954
Have you finished the AAR already?
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>>149627278
>rome is a single generation of generals
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>>149627246
That empire was created under the skill of one man.

Rome took generations to reach it's prime.
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>>149627450
>"""empire"""
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>>149627060
Why didn't Alexander conquer Pontus?
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>>149627525
because fuck Pontus
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>>149627060
Is it even right to call it an empire? All he did was take an army across Greece and the Middle-East and killed anyone who refused to pay tribute or resisted. He made pretty much zero effort to ensure its continuity and it broke down the instant he died. It was thuggery on a grand scale more than any kind of attempt at state building.
>>
lol @ you niggas who fall for "the great" meme
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>>149627525
Why didn't Shen conquer Manchuria instead of Tibet and half of Europe?
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>>149627771
empire
Pronunciation: /ˈɛmpʌJə/
NOUN

1An extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state:
[IN NAMES]: the Roman Empire
the Holy Roman Empire

Yes it is, people just call it Alexander's Empire because that's what it was.
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>>149628062
He needed slaves
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>>149627060
Ayo hol up one second...
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>>149628063
So 1942's Germany was a legit empire too then?
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>>149628512
Careful now lad, you'll trigger that guy that gets butthurt about casual racism
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>>149627060
>Yue Peoples
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>>149628512
SO YOU SAYIN WE WUZ FISH AND SHEEIT
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>>149627353
No, I'll be posting more starting tomorrow. I've got a good 110 years left.
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>>149629120
>chink
lad that's a nip, at least get your slurs right if you don't want to look retarded
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After having the whole country occupied and my army wiped out, I managed to sign the Treaty of Velasco. Now I don't have any POPs. Any suggestions?
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>changed a bunch of shit
>game crashes on loading databases
>validator can't find anything
>don't want to revert the changes because my backup is old and i changed a lot
fuck
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FOUR YEARS
O
U
R

Y
E
A
R
S
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>>149629609
>Any suggestions?
Get immigrants and enjoy grasping but never attaining the USA's numbers due to their meme modifiers
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>>149629674
return to your ancestral homeland of Germany
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My friend and I are trying to get the EUIV MP crack to work. Do we need to fuck around with the .dll files? It doesn't seem to work.
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just
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>>149630282
Your friend and you might as well do some anal sex.
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Crusader Kings 2 is an accurate simulator of medieval history.
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>>149630625
>implying that world isn't believable
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>>149630625
glitch

please report it to the modders
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>>149630625
SO U BE SAYIN WE WUZ STEPPE NOMADS
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>>149630850
Are you serious or am I being memed?
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>>149631019
mali should not exist with Africa and India turned off

please report
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Rolling for Kaiserreich.

1-2 American Union State
3-4 Italian Federation
5-6 Austria
7-8 Ottomemes
9-0 /gsg/ choice
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>>149631072
t. ignorant racist white supremacist
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When was the last time robmod was updated?
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>>149631221
An update is coming this week probably.

t. rob
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Someone help me, please. Hungry is my dynasty as well.

;_;
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>>149631193
t. meneth
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>>149631373
Meneth is based
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>>149631323
How big is it? You haven't uploaded in like 4 months
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>>149631407
forced memes are based
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>>149631407
Here have some gold m'fellow redditor.
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>>149631516
redditors are based
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>>149631476
"forced meme" is a forced meme
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>>149631193
im being serious dude, report it
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>>149631567
Wow, you're new here aren't you? Everybody here makes fun of reddit.
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>>149631691
reddit is based
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>>149631072
I just checked its owned by a Moroccan muslim with the dynasty name mali, it actually the sultanate of the mahgreb so I guess its just weird inheritance. Here's Yurop.
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>>149631445
>falling for the bait
Rob is dead, just like his shitty mod
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>>149631691
its a new meme retard
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>>149631735
Whatever, keep on that, but you're not going to last here if you keep praising reddit.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgsmSnWVF0

Rare footage of the infamous Burger King brigade storming Normandy.
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>>149631909
see >>149631735
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>>149631951
>v=xD

You have to go back
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>>149631951
TRUE HEROES
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>>149631951
>cameraman filming a little kid touching himself
>all those fat amerilards who can barely walk
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Rate senpai
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>>149631951
THE BRIZE OF FREEDOM :DDDDD
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>>149632104
>cheating
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>>149632050
XD
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>>149632104
>Gaza
DELET THIS ANTISEMITIC FILTH
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>>149631342
leepic blob
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>>149630584
Cucked by the BBC (Big Boer Cock)
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>>149632265
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>>149632285
Literally a test game to learn how I'm supposed to play as Zulu 2bh, I'll do a legit run again tomorrow.
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>>149632527
treddit
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>>149632809
fuck off 4chan
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>>149631342
That HRE is very aesthetically pleasing
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>>149632863
your site is shit and the servers should be destroyed
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>>149632934
>should be
won't be.
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>>149632902
The only very aesthetically pleasing HRE possible is no HRE at all.
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>>149631342
>>149632902
Nevermind, just noticed the epic blobbing in Greece
Should have fixed Pommerania instead
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>>149631951
kek haven't laughed my ass off at something in a long time

they really need weight limits for that shit

also why was the cameraman filming that little boy playing with his dick
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>>149631342
>Every anon always seems to get the German HRE
>i play HIP
>Get the French HRE instead

this was neat the first few times
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>>149632934
Here at least we have moderation against racism and bigotry.
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>>149633009
Look at England and the border with France.
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>>149632934
At Reddit we have intellectual discussions your tiny 4chan brain couldn't even comprehend.
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>>149633226
treddit
>>
In CK2 how do I remove frail?
>>
>all this reddit

lmao is this because of the new hpm update?
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>>149633226
have some gold m'gentlesir
>>
>be japan
>france declares war on me
>they get java
>the game forces me to accept peace
victoria 2 is such a buggy piece of shit game
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>>149633348
Nice argument ;)
>>
>AI build factories based on their base profit and not demand
How is it possible to be this shit at making AI?
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>>149623227
Perfectest.
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>>149633532
I bet you could do it better.

Anyway, just wait for Victoria 3, since it'll be programmed by Wiz.
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>>149633593
Fuck off, you nazi.

How do I report this shit?
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Is there any reason to keep playing?
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>>149633723
Where did I say I could do it better?
Is it really that hard to make an AI choose factories based on a binary value (whether their goods are in demand or not)?
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>>149633361
Anyone?
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>12 years of gameplay
>still didn't get the Educational Reform event
>while Sotho got it before 1840
Fuck uncivs with no writing systems, they're all literally dependent on luck.
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>>149634001
AI is a very hard thing to code, even newer games while being a lot better than the older ones, still have some minor AI issues. And those will be fixed whith DLC and such.
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>>149633361
You can't, maybe through the war or hunting focus events but you might be fucked.
>>
is business the best focus?
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>>149634634
Family doesn't give a lot but it has no bad events.
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>>149634351
I remember getting brawny in I think war or hunting so would that cancel out frail? Dont know how my heir got idolizor and how that turned to frail instead of zealous since I am one.
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>>149634237
>minor AI issues.
Have you even played hoi$
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>>149634761
A lot of stuff is random regardless of what you pick, hunting has a rare event that gives strong. Even if that doesn't remove frail it should make up for it.
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>>149612202

>>149612202

Are you running 3.7.2.8?

Links to the submod (and that sexy mapmod) you're using?
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>>149634237
>better than the older ones
>minor AI issues
>fixed with DLC
Hello Podcat
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>>149635112
Podcat is based
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>>149634887
HoI$? You mean HoI4? Yes, what's the problem with it? AI can even do naval invasions, that's a huge improvement over all the pre-Wiz AIs.
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>>149634142
remove_trait <Trait Name> <Character ID>
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>>149635112
What?
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>>149635205
>what's the problem with it?
I can invade Germany as Denmark because their troops are elsewhere and don't move
>>
This subchan is very racist. How can i report this bigotry to the 4chan admins?
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>>149635425
Makes sense historically, if Germany was focused on France and the Soviets, the Danish border would be undefended and open for the invasion.
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>>149635262
I dont want to cheat anon. But thanks for the code.

Other then the frial and cynical ( which can be removed easily with theology) I think I did a ok job

Also dude's dad (me) has 38 martial he should not have frail.
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>>149635653
Trying too hard there bud
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>>149635653
you have to buy 4chan gold first

gonna upvote this so it will hopefully be seen by others
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>149635653
Fuck off faggot. Downvoted.
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>>149635659
Oh but they weren't
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>>149635779
How can I upvote posts? I don't see any option.
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>>149635996
you just upvoted it

and i just upvoted yours
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>>149635996
Upvotes are (You)s here
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>>149636039
What? Explain please, I'm new here.
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>>149636140
click on the numbers next to my post to upvote it
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>>149636068
Oh, I see. Weird, but thank you!
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>>149636260
You're welcome! I hope you enjoy your stay and become a part of our community! :^)
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>>149636414
Upvoted good sir!

Have some gold for your kindness.
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>>149636414
Thank you!
>>
We seriously need to clean the racism out of this subchannel.
>>
Why do these radical yugoshitters keep roleplaying every night about reddit and johan etc? What do they want to accomplish with this? It's so obvious they aren't older than 16. Step up your memes because this is cringey as fuck.
>>
SO why do you guys hate hoi4
>>
>149636590
This is a community for intellectual discussion. If your small mind can't handle it you need to leave.
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>>149636590
*cringes*
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>>149636642
ai cant find path to target
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*gives 4chan gold"
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>>149636642
im a graphics whore and it looks like shit desu
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>>149636623
back 2 /fr/
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>>149636623
me in the hand
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>>149636878
HoI4 is the best looking Paradox game. What are you talking about?
>>
>>149637046
Only if you like shitty looking 3d maps. Maps are meant to be flat. Vicky 2 has the best map.
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>>149637169
Fuck off with your stupid Victoria 2 is the best game EVER! Holy shit I thought that was only a reddit meme, but it's everywhere. You are all stuck in the past.
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>>149616883
Hi HPM. In the current patch, China is unplayable. I don't mean railroaded, as in you have to pick one path. I also don't mean historical, as I know China was a shitshow in this time period. I mean functionally broken to an absurd degree.

I tried three different China runs, all ended at the same place:

Westernizing, max infantry military at all times, pick minimum militancy decisions

Result: Taiping rebellion nearly impossible to defeat, but more importantly, a 2000k strong reactionary revolt destroyed me one year into the fighting.

Isolationist, max military, minimum militancy increasing events

Result: 1000k Rebellion spawns one month into Taiping, is unbeatable.

Isolationist, max military, crack down on the Taiping in events

Result: 2 months into Taiping rebellion, 1400k reactionary rebellion.


I know this era was a shitshow for China, but they didn't have organized well armed brigades that outnumbered the Qing military rising every 6 months, much less in the middle of the Taiping civil war.


I have some suggestions regarding event tweaks and decisions, but their event path/relationship with reactionary rebels needs a fundamental rework, as I have in 4 observer test games not seen them get within 60% of westernizing once.
>>
Is there any mod that fixes rebels and infamy in victoria 2?
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>>149637568
China does seem to be doing pretty badly in the meta
Last game they reached 1936 with the same level of westernization as they started, got hit by many rebellions and spent most of the game as primitives.

I think Taiping should get a boost and work properly, the war should be very bloody, but it should be the main challenge for a Qing player, not billion man revolts.
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>>149637568
Fuck off reddit. HPM only accept sugestions from /gsg/
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>>149637568
HPM is perfect, rob
>>
Why does Russia have so few brigades in HPM?
>>
>>149637568

>trying to play Mainz
>AI bavaria does something and Noble Pretender rebels show up
>they're outnumbered by the army by 4,000
>they smash it
>then they smash it again
>they force the AI to submit
>they cross into 3 neighbouring countries, smashing their respective militaries every time despite being fatally outnumbered, looting and pillaging at random
>finally the Commonwealth rapes them with 24,000 men, losing 1/2 morale in the process

yeah, rebels are fucking stupid. there's a five-star nerf patch on the Workshop if you want.
>>
>>149637951
Historical accuracy, rob.
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>>149637871
>>149637939
It's a vanilla problem too. I'll have to think up a way to fix it. Maybe a gargantuan militancy reducer that tapers off during and after the Taiping civil war.

>>149637832
The country was fucked up, but not this fucked up. The peasants weren't frenchmen, there was no revolution every 5 months.

>>149638043
Can't tell if bait
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>>149637509
It isn't but it has the best map.
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>>149638071
I know you're memeing but Russia had one of the, if not the largest army in in the world during the Victorian period
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>>149638187
Russia starts with the largest civilized army. It's just that their economy sucks, and war exhaustion/spread out population can drain their ability to support it.
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>>149638187
fuck off rob
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>>149638071
>>149638271
nice falseflag rob.
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>>149637951
I always see them raising the largest army in the world. Still sucks though, and is only good for giving the enemy 50 warscore a couple of weeks in

Maybe your Russia is in a bad spot economically, or got cut down to size
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>>149638043
>eu4
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>>149638253
This is why more gold mines should be added to the urals/siberia, just one gild mine ekatarinburg isn't enough to represent Russian precious metal production. It would also give them a much needed boost to their treasury.
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>>149637568
Taking the western winds modifier is a death sentence for Qing.

Unfortunately Qing was considered "OP" by alex so it has seen successive "nerfs" to the ability to westernize even though the AI couldn't westernize at all half the time. At this point it's practically an economic tool to soak up some extra goods on the market, not really intended to be played. I don't think a player could westernize before 1900 without save-scumming for easy rebellions.
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>>149638539
That would make sense, but honestly Russia is sort of the 2nd sick man of Europe, and I think they are only slightly under powered. They're certainly no Qing

>>149638717
I used to agree with you, but I'm afraid even with maximum save scumming, not taking western winds, and perfect army placement, its impossible. I spent the better part of a day on it. HPM needs to do a full rework of the country, its events, and how reactionaries affect it. I wouldn't suggest it for any other country, but given how influential they are on the economy, they need it.
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>>149638539
Lad Russia has more money than it can spend after just a couple decades
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>>149635052

It's Firenze Submod for Magna Mundi Ultimate for EU3. Rigs the game to make it more difficult and interactive. For the most part. Firenze Submod is a project of a guy that wanted to make tuscany more interesting so it's now Firenze. Other changes to the submod include tolerance changes so now Turks can't purge all the infidels freely.

Christmas momod is more advanced then the firenze, it was being developed after the team switched to trying to make the game and even after everyone else died out. The little bit I experimented with it though, the Manchurians were crippled since Horse Nomads was gimped so Hordes didn't get super leaders to fight off more civilized nations. So was manchuria I was getting demolished by Korea DoW as soon as it was able to constantly and it was backed by Ming.
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>h-hey guise HPM is so bad a-am i right? Please download my m-mod ;_;
Good old rob
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>>149639046
Who are you quoting?
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>>149638857
The problem is the availability of pops to easily become rebels especially in qings clusterfuck of unaccepted pops
To fix that youd need to make it so their pops are less likely to become rebels.
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>>149639069
rob
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>>149638857
I regularly see russia covered with rebels every 5 years
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>>149639046
>>149639175
HPM's mod is good, I just want to make it better. Might make a minimod to fix the china issue.

>>149639141
Not sure how i'd implement that.
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>>149639160
>rob
Who?

>>149639175
None of them mention robmod
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>>149639175
trob flaseflagging
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>>149639310
>Who?
rob
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>>149639456
What is rob
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>>149639310
>who is rob
>mentions robmod in the same post
You aren't even trying anymore
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hues pls leave
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>>149639287
Why would you play an offshoot when the mod is in active development?
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>>149639490
The person being quoted.
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>>149639287
Id probably add in modifiers that affect only certain pops. If thats possible
Theirs already ways to lower pop militancy bases off income bracket. And ways to mess with militancy based off pop type. For instance if you wanted to. Just make a modifier for militanch for famers in Qing and call it something to do with governance or keep it hidden as long as your not western.
You really only need to do it for farmers desu
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>>149639310
They're aiding rob by criticizing HPM.
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>>149638857
>I used to agree with you, but I'm afraid even with maximum save scumming, not taking western winds, and perfect army placement, its impossible.
Impossible to westernize as Qing?
Or just before 1900?
The other day I took western winds in 1860 and could have made westernization by 1892 if I'd been willing to play the last 10 years over and over and over trying to get small rebellions to spawn. I made it to 1880 legitimately before falling to a super rebellion of >1k rebels.

I think the real fix for rebellions in general would be a modifier that reduces militancy for pops as their militancy increases. Right now if the +MIL outweight the -MIL by 0.01 for a given pop he will in 3 years turn into a 10 MIL zealot willing to die for... something. There needs to be a -MIL modifier in stages to prevent that sort of thing, so that pops can only get to 10 MIL if they actually have serious grievances and not just -0.14 getting life needs +0.15 unaccepted well guess I better join a rebellion. For instance, above 3 MIL = -0.01, above 5 MIL = -0.03, above 9 MIL = -0.05 or something.

Not even meme'ing, if you go look at 10 MIL pops a lot of them are getting there 0.01 at a time. It's retarded.
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>>149640060
Why can't you criticize HPM?
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So I got the DLC for CK2 from the Archive but the activator readme says it only goes up to DLC 50ish. Am I missing something?
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>>149640060
But, Rob, criticism is good.
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>>149640187
Because it demoralizes him and slows down progress on his mod.
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>spend 13 hours trying to get a shitty achievement
>right before I get it my colony spazzes out and bring England in to help kick me out
>was mostly afk so i missed my allies all abandoning me
>what a waste of time
>try and grab another small achievement
>nothing.jpg
>fucking dlc runs with a crack now so steam fucks half of EU4s shit up
Anyone else waste there entire fucking day?
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I'm playing an unciv and trying to get my reforms as cheaply as possible, if I switch to a liberal party will my pops tend to become more liberal, thus changing the composition of the UH toward making the non-military reforms cheaper?
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>>149640072
In the current patch, its impossible to get past the Taiping rebellion legitimately.
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>>149640318
kek once again Grandimod supporters acting like fucking children.

that mod really needs to leave this general, it's brought nothing but shit to this here.
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Here is how you pay China, noobs:
>release a Chinese minor
>annex it with the China CB for the RP bonus
>repeat until you westernize
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>>149638539
They do have a large army but they tend to station most of their armies in central asia/siberia so whenever the inevitable european war/rebellion occurs it takes them a million years to get over to the action because of Russia's trash infrastructure and by the time they get there the conflict is already lost or they get destroyed because they're coming in like a trickle.
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>>149640421
It does though, rob.

When you criticize someone it demoralizes them and slows down progress.

Go away rob.
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>>149640421
Agreed, m'fellow redditor.

Here have some gold.
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>>149640432
Thats so fuckin gamey
I save that shit for eu4 mp memes
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>>149640421
You know he's shitposting right
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>>149640601
>huepm babby hiding the fact he came here from reddit to check out the latest epic mod
wew lad
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>>149640552
Fuck off to reddit Grand Youth. "oh no alex might get his feelings hurt if people criticize him" lmao where the fuck do you think you are
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>>149640661
Well, yes. So what? I'm fucking tired of all this antireddit circlejerk. r/paradoxplaza is a much better community, /gsg/ doesn't contribute NOTHING to the Paradox community, it's just a hub for racists and other scum.
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>>149640816
FUCK OFF ROB HPM IS GOING ANYWHERE JUST FUCK OFF HPM IS THE BEST FUCKING MOD TO EVER BE ON GSG AND HES NOT FUCKING GOING ANYWHERE ROB SO JUST SHUT THE FUCK I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR SHITTY FUCKING MOD OK JUST FUCKING STOP IT BECAUSE HPM IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE HE FUCKING BELONGS HERE WHO CARES IF HES BRINGING PEOPLE FROM REDDIT HPM IS A GOOD FUCKING MOD AND THATS THE SACRIFICE WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR HIM SO FUCK OFF ROB FUCK OFF COBRA FUCK OFF RADICAL YUGOSLAVIA
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>>149640370
>legitimately
There's the problem, you're asking for trouble if you don't use your foreknowledge of the event to cheese through it considering that the states TPG is most likely to get contain most of the soldier pops in China. I'd say the Warlord Era is an even bigger Chinese meme event because even when you plan ahead (disband all non-loyal brigades prior to closing the event screen) it can be very difficult to win (It never triggers until the only provinces I have left are Peking and Chengde).

>>149640432
t. i've never played hpm china
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How and how much should I enrich Ireland?

1/2
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>>149640987
LMAO butthurt as hell Grandi Youth

go suck Alex's brazilian cock some more
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>>149641001
2/2

Mod: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=631545981
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>can't invest in other GPs in vic 2
but why
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>>149640987
lol alex fanboy is super butthurt

you a little booty bothered m8
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>>149641175
>>149641001
Go shill your shitty mod to the general it belongs to >>149635064
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>>149641257
because foreign investment is cheating to begin with 2 b h
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>>149641257
Tbh you should be able to if they have free trade or laissez-faire
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>>149641118
>>149641259
GODDAMNIT GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE ROB IM TIRED OF FUCKING DEALING WITH YOU DEMORALIZING AND BRINGING DOWN HPM HES WAY BETTER THAN YOU AND ALWAYS WILL BE NOW PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE SHIT HPM ISNT GOING FUCKING ANYWHERE
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>>149641000
At least you can avoid warlord if you westernize then go straight to constitutional monarchy.

The taiping/reactionary rebellion combo is unbeatable, even with strategic disbanding, perfect placement, etc.
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>>149641373
lmao butthurt
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>>149640259
pls respond...
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How does the game make different flags be used for Absolute Monarchy Russia and Constitutional Monarchy Russia? I want to make Japan use this flag as an absolute monarchy, but this one as the constitutional monarchy flag.
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Good anons, in HOI4, if I plan on conquering Egypt or Syria from UK/France, can I annex / puppet them before the war in Europe ends? Or do I have to wait until the peace conference after the world war?
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>>149641467
No, save for south pooland portraits
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>>149641315
Someone's mad
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>>149641469
Constitutional monarchy flag
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>>149641401
I've never gotten a reactionary rebellion as Qing without taking the western winds modifier lad, I don't know how you managed it. I always disband every taiping brigade when the event fires to make the rebellion as painless as possible.
t. i play qing a lot

Also you can't really avoid the warlord era entirely because even as Beiyang China you have to keep your MIL below 4 which is pretty much impossible as 4 is usually right around where you start having enough support to take a reform. It always gets you eventually.
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>>149638895

Could you spoonfeed me anon

I downloaded the most recent MMU and the christmas momod but it seems that christmas isn't compatible with the most recent MMU. Also, mapmod?
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Why does my EU3 5.2 always crashes with Magna Mundi enabled? I really want to play it.
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So I've never played a grand strategy game before and was looking to pick up EUIV, but while looking into it I ran into a lot of comments and reviews from people saying that the constant DLC was ruining the game

So my question is this: for someone who's never played a GSG before, is EUIV enjoyable/playable without any additional content, and if not, what is recommended for me to pick up in terms of which DLCs I get?
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We did it reddit
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>>149613330
nigger LITERALLY only plays France.
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Why do craftsmen have a base 1.1 factor to socialism?
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If you release Scotland they have Scottish as their primary culture but that culture doesn't exist, at least in Scotland
HPM 3.5.1, Big Flag Frames and RDS
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Reminder that Europe belongs to the German Reich
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>>149642710
If your new any gsgame will work
Just pick up anything you even think is remotely interesting from the mega and go at it
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So apparently you can westernize as soon as the early 1860s as Zulu if you're lucky enough to get the Educational Reform event soon and use the meme 100 days conquest well after you take the cheapest military reform - that's earlier than the Boshin War and a couple of years more than the earliest you can westernize as Persia using all of their flavour. I wouldn't be surprised if a neckbeard HPM pro even beat me by a few years, perhaps westernizing as soon as 1857 or 1856.
10/10 would westernize again
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>>149643017
IIRC Edinburgh shifts their culture into Scottish, then you have to wait for these Scottish pops to migrate internally and assimilate with the help of a modifier that boosts their assimilation in general.
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((( Coincidence Detector )))
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>>149643678
>warring the Tokugawa
show your blob
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>>149642270

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/christmas-momod.576285/#post-13224401

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/magna-mundi-ultimate-1-26-download-here.497364/#post-11592700

It is suggested you roll back to a previous patch, 4.1

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/4-1-update-29th-of-april-2010.473587/

>Roll back to previous patch
>Download MMU
>Start a game with it
>Copy momod over it
>Clear the MMU map cache
>Can now play momod

dunno how well momod plays, but that is the most developed magna mundi derivative work. The map? That's just the map mod that comes with it.
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>>149643678
>persia owns the netherlands

Epic
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>>149644295
>wanting to revive the thread this much
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>>149644090
It's a standard Qing blobs into Japan episode but I'm done for now. Even in USA's sphere it will take them a while to get close to westernization again.
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>>149644191

Anon, there's a link within the second link you posted titled "MAGNA MUNDI ULTIMATE 1.26 (2/09/2010)", when I click it it just leads me to some adbait.
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>>149644584
>Qingdao
Who owns it? I thought the AI always went for Shanghai when they could.
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WE
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>>149644693

Oh right. The Magna Mundi mod developed went crazy and tried to release his game when paradox wouldn't and his website got taken down.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mare/files/archive/

I think that has the up to date MMU. Its where I downloaded the Firenze Submod too.
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>>149644906

Meh. No success, anon. I rolled back to 4.1 (I unzipped the files directly into my EU3 Complete folder), but now everything crashes, even vanilla, before I hit the titlepage.

As someone with over 2k in eu3 I want to rekindle my interest but every time I've tried I've just been too retarded to make it work.
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FUCK
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>>149645354
Use it to pass early social reforms.
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>>149645201

I had issues getting momod to be stable anyways. I can highly suggest the Firenze Submod though, which is what I was playing on when I posted if you have never played Magna Mundi for EU3.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/subultimate-the-firenze-submod.519601/

thread with a list of the changes to the original MMU.
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>>149644903
wew never seen a negro in my game even get to the middle class
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>>149644754
UK got it from the Arrow Incident, which seems to assign an available treaty port at random.

Here we see the brave Vietnamese laying siege to a French city in defense of their homeland. I'd planned on using my large fleet of frigates to engage the worn out French fleet when it arrives to dump a doomstack on Vietnam, thus protecting my neighbor from colonial aggression. However, with Burma still largely intact that's probably where the French will land, and then I'm fucked because they'll walk right in. I haven't decided what action to take.
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Why does Mongolia start with +300k pops when their population in 1900 was just slightly above 600k people?
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>>149645708
I forgot about the "combat offload" meme, I might just reload to Jan 1 and do it properly this time (which is to say, don't get distracted by 100 Jap rebels and actually watch for when my scout ship spots the incoming fleet).
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>>149645972
Mongolia is based
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>>149645708
Place your troops on the Burmese mountains up to supply limit so they waste time in the Burmese coast.
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>>149646015
>combat offload
Literally the worst part of the game.
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>>149646176
It's a nice meme but the supply limit for no tech on mountains is (wait for it)... 8. It takes about a 200-stack of irregulars or about 100- of infantry to beat a European 30-stack, and you don't really get any warscore for it. Realistically there's no way I will win on land.
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Retard here, I pirated Hearts of Iron IV, and I've installed the update from the archive and it doesn't work. How do I install the update properly and get it to work?
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I`ve decided to make a mod archive that archives older versions of mods for historical/preservation purposes and new versions of mods for pirates.

I have a paradox forum account that can access most of the major mod forums (not gonna say which ones because i know Podcat lurks here and i dont wanna get B&)

Any requests? The archive is currently stored on my computer but im gonna upload it once i feel i have enough mods.
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>>149645546

I mean the rollback to 4.1 failed, I can't run the game for some reason.
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>>149646685
>tfw paradox has actually made mod piracy a thing because of their shitty forums
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>>149610969
>EU:Rome twice
I thought we finally got over this bullshit?
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>>149645492
I thought only having socialists/commies in power can do that.
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>>149647395
Retard
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>>149647395
You thought wrong.
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>>149646685
Honestly this sounds pretty interesting.

Post it again in a few hours when the amerilards wake up.
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>>149647395
depending on the amount of liberals, you can pass social reforms with 6 or 7 militancy, usually. Obviously you can't do it if you're more than about a third reactionary, and getting that high is flirting with disaster anyway
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>>149646685
Obviously the overhauls.

When the World Stopped Making Sense
Warhammer
ASoFaI
CK2+
HIP with CPR
CPR by itself
MEIOU
VeF
BICE (no it doesn't matter if it's shit or not)
Whatever the new overhaul for GoyGoyGoyGoy is going to be
I don't think you need an account for older games.
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Started this game as a single county and my heir is already set to inherit Navara and Aragon

What is the correct capitol for groBcataloniums, /gsg/?
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>>149649379
Post culture
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Now all I have to do is conquer northern India, convert the few Muslim provinces there, and I'll have The Third Way.
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>>149649684
good point. barcelona it is
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Goodbye meme cultures
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>>149650928
>"Good by meme cultures"
>Irish still exists
Ummmm???
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Can someone post THAT Irish meme pic?
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>>149650928
>>149651272
Not to mention "British"

What's up with Corsica, also?

I'd download if you fix that stuff
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>>149651549
Hm, I dont remember touching Corsica at all, maybe I accidentally deleted a number somewhere.
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What the fuck does this mean? Is it because I'm a vassal to a non-pagan?
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>>149646015
Okay so I went to taco bell reloaded back to 1 Jan and actually paid attention to the scouts that I autistically rotated out so as to keep them from attrition death while I waited with the main fleet in a Vietnamese port. Whenever the Frenchies come I sortie to meet them in the Mayalan Straits and I always win because they mostly have been sending transports. I have 6 battlescore as well as ticking warscore which I think will tick forever, what should I do with it, if anything?
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>>149651736
Yes.
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>>149650928
>Goodbye meme cultures
>Catalonian still exists
>basque still exists
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>>149651272
Oh shit
I just noticed I wrote good by instead of goodbye
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>>149651776
That's retarded.
Also when the fuck will fucking up enemies as a vassal add to liege warscore? Just because the Duke of Orleans instead of the King of France engaged and defeated 10k muslims doesn't mean that France isn't closer to winning the war.
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>>149651851
t.spaniard
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>>149641175
Since BtP has 2 Irish tags (IRE for Irish Ireland and KOI for Hiberno-Norman Ireland) I made KOI a vassal. (mainly to keep a Protestant CoR from spawning on Ireland)

How should I Anglicize the island after I integrate them?
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I wish I could force Bulgaria and Greece to trade Sofia and Edirne. I might threaten war to Bulgaria to get Sofia and sell it to Greece, but I have no idea how to get Sofia from Greece without breaking alliance. Already tried supporting rebels.
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>>149650928
>Europe isn't mostly German
Lad there's still a lot of meme cultures in your world
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>>149652156
>replacing meme cultures with the biggest meme culture of them all
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>>149652156
Well Belgium and Switzerland were the worst offenders, not sure what else would be a meme culture, maybe byelorussian and ukrainian I guess
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>>149646685
Based lad

Despite the memes and being bad generally add the ultimate overhaul of Vic2 if you wish to archive things for presevation
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>>149652295
>czech
>slovakin
>polish
>slovene
>dutch
>croat
>danish
>swedish
>norwegian
>english
>not just German sub cultures
Ok lad
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>>149652569
Shouldnt you be playing Prussia lad?
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A mod that makes every culture and every nation in the game German when?
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>>149652606
Bavaria is superior to those barbarous Prussians with Austria at a close second of course.
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>>149652686
t. Catholic pagan heathen
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>>149646570
buy the game
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>>149651770
In a move that came almost exactly 100 years early, Vietnamese freedom fighters with military aid and support from their Northern ally have successfully warded off colonial oppression at the hands of the French. I just can't bring myself to keep it going for another 10 years in order to force them to hand over Algeria or something. I was kind of hoping Vietnam would claim Pondicherry for meme supreme but they didn't.

In regional news, Tibet fell to reactionaries so it will surely be an unciv when I come to conquer it, Spanish Anarcho-liberals seem to have freed the center region of the Philippines, and Burma struggles with reactionaries. Japanese nationalist movements remain the primary threat to the Qing military, with 100-strong rebel uprisings being commonplace (nationalist rebels are individually much stronger than reactionaries so they're much harder to fight off). Qing construction experts expect to finish work on a foreign university in about four years time which will vastly speed our research output.
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>>149652818
t. Heretic
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Would it have been a better world, lads?
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>>149653594
>germany exists
Its not hard to make a better world desu
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>>149653594
>süde tirol
>Italian
No
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>>149653594
>Poland exists
>Germany exists
what a shit world.
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>>149653675
DELET THIS
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>>149653594
>Belgium
lad I thought we went over this?
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>>149653671
>>149653675
>>149653705
But no ww2, European empires still exist, Japanese Vladivostok is home to a thriving snyth pop scene.

its butifel
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>>149653793
t. "Roman"
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>>149653863
DLEAT THIS
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>Gayreeks break our alliance
>their ruler dies with no heir
>Denmark gets a PU on them and Bulgaria contests
>Bulgaria has 40k troops of their own + the 20k I'm renting to them
>Denmark just finished getting brutally raped by Sweden and Greece only had 25k
Looks like we're going to see a Balkan Union added to this mess of a Europe.
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Quick someone post THAT image
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>>149654215
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>>149616883
Hi HPM, you said you stopped this war from automatically adding a status quo but it still gets added. I know I am playing the newest version because I have a wool province.
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>>149654215
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Where's AARlad
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>>149654215
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>>149654354
EU3 may have shit AI but if you put players on all the major GP's the game becomes god tier.

EU3 MP best MP.
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>>149654417
that wasn't MP, anon
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>>149654410
>Netherlands
>being flooded
Epic meme. If anything, they'd probably expand.
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Gayreeks BTFO
They deserve this for breaking their alliance with the Arabian Empire
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>>149653829
that monstrosity is anything but beautiful.
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>>149654619
>serbia
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>I need 345 more provinces for Aggressive Expander
I don't think I want to
>>149654796
They were only alive because Greece was guarantee'ing them. They were actually pretty big at one point. They owned all their starting land, Albania, Skopje, and Macedonia. I think Bosnia (who is protestant) is going to annex them now.
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>>149654940
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>>149655101
I think I'm done with this run.
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>>149654350
>>149653093
>one meme country spheres another meme country
>austria blobs
>romania grows gross
>bismarck can't get his shit together
>militant socialists in Russia
>ottomemes blobbing into Yemeni sultanates
I don't know what to believe.
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>>149655101
>>149655274
off yourself
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Does negative tariffs boost your industry with LF?

It seems kinda obvious that it would, but I just want to be sure
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>>149655783
>netherlands owning mecklenberg

How?
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If I start a CK2 save in Ironman can I turn that off or do I just have to start over?
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What's the best nation to play after you've just lit up a nice smooth blunt, /gsg/?
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>>149617973
>Switzerland
>OK
The swiss are the mortal enemy of the new Germany. They display only the worst traits of the germanic race
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>>149653594
Yes

The Axis should have won watch the greatest story never told
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Why does this general hate it when you make your empires huge?
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>>149656819
It's full of faggots that can't accomplish that
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>The Axis should have won watch the greatest story never told
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>execute a >Holy >Roman >Emperor
>he gets sainted because I'm a pagan
Well uh
Good for him
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>>149656743
>The Axis should have won
But they didn't :(
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>>149657202
Yeah, that totally worked out for UK
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>>149657094
>The Axis should have won
Good we can agree on this
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>>149655783
>screaming internally intensifies
It was less than a month ago that Romania got that clay and already Hungary got it back and fucked up A-H in the process. It's beautiful.
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>>149657313
>accepted the crisis offer from Belgium
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>>149657202
Oh yeah that was such a good thing for Britain they benefited so much from rejecting every peace offer ever and they sure won in the end at the cost of most of the continent being under totalitarian 1984 esque communism and their entire empire collapsing along with their bust buddies the French and even some of the smaller ones like the Dutch and Belgians
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>>149657636
Could you be any more of a melodramatic mong
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>>149657636
>WTF WHY WONT BRITAIN LET ME INVADE ALL OF EUROPE REEEEEEEEEE
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>>149657825
Britain is based
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>>149657825
>>149657871
Are you guys just trolling or is that what you actually think
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>>149657362
All the actual GPs were at war.
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crashing this market
WITH NO SURVIVORS
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>>149657937
You are not the only producer and when it gets to max, everyone will buy normally.
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>>149657925
Sorry stormweenie but /gsg/ is a STAUNCH pro-monarchist anti-nazi general
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>>149658049
The nazis were the good guys and if you would stop ignoring everything we try to show you and actually look at it for 5 minutes you'd get that
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>>149658049
no, it is staunchly republican and liberal
Makes me think of america's political system. Why does the naming need to be so fucking retarded?
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>>149657825
You're talking to a germanboo here lad, they're literally incapable of recognizing when they're in the wrong.

Should've ended the germs once and for all after WW2, now here we are and they're already trying to ruin Europe for the third time.
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>>149657925
How DARE people hold views that aren't my own nazi wankery they must be le trolling me
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>>149658105
Americans are mostly Germanic therefore autistic
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>>149658238
Americans are based desu
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>>149658286
this, a shame about the massive german immigration that polluted the country but aside from that they're really based.
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>>149658049
Poland was invaded because they wouldn't give them their land back and refused to even have a vote over it or even a land swap

Denmark was invaded to get into Norway to stop the British R-4 plan which was about to be launched which would take out the iron Germany needed from Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_R_4

The low countries were invaded because Britain and France (who declared war on Germany and not the other way around) still wouldn't make peace and were massing on the French-German border so Germany needed to blitz around them

The Soviets were invaded because they had already violated the terms of the molotov-ribbentrop pact by absorbing lithuania and and taking land from Romania, and were about to invade Germany and they were going to call it Operation Thunderstorm

http://heretical.com/miscella/14days.html
So either all of you read this stuff and think about it or you tune it out and meme over it

Britain and France took what would have been between Germany and Poland and turned it into a world war, then Russia was about to join in, and then the US was planning on doing the same even if the British and Russians both went down

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1941/12/04/page/1/article/f-d-r-s-war-plans/
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>tfw the British Anglosphere could be a world superpower if we united in an Imperial Federation
>tfw the australians, canadians etc probably have too much of a national identity for this to ever happen

;_;
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WE
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>>149658398
kys nazi autist
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>>149658398
see >>149657825
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>>149658407
Took way too long lad, should've done the Federation before WW1.
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>>149658509
We are gonna purge you once Trump is in charge faggot
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>>149658445
WUZ
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>all these bongs butthurt that their empire is nothing but ashes and they've been reduced to jew bootlickers
Remember, you have only yourself to blame
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I want krautboos to leave.
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>>149658842
t. schizo autist talking to himself
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>>149637568
I will play a game as then and see what I can come with. China is a bit of a problem as they had some massive rebellions (like the Taiping) that almost broke the country but they still kept together. Doing that with rebel system is a bit of a problem.

You said you have suggestions so go ahead.

>>149654350
Shit, apparently I forgot to save the change. Thanks, it's fixed now.
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>>149642726
How did you get 10% literacy?
Intelectuals dont promote for me.
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>>149659432
Hey HPMguy, I remade the SP pops using this census from 1838 https://books.google.fr/books?id=1F3t4wLfsCwC, are you interested? They gained I think ~100k pops mainly in Piemont
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Why is 'Ireland always recommended as the starter island for CK2 newbies? I got bored out of my mind playing there, any other good nations to start as?
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>>149653594

>france has alsace-lorraine
>denmark has north schleswig
>poland is still poland

is this a meme? is the idea that hitler just invaded the USSR and didnt invade anyone else? if so, what the fuck is up with prussia?

Germany had no chance of ever beating the USSR. Ever.
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>>149660398
>Germany had no chance of ever beating the USSR. Ever.
I want russiaboos to go away
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>>149660398
>Germany had no chance of ever beating the USSR. Ever.
t.Commieboo
You wouldn't have lasted past 1942 without LendLease
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>>149660398
It's a scenario where Poland joined the Anti-Comintern pact and gave up the Danzig corridor.

The fact that hardly anyone realised this is a testament to how fucking retarded the average gsg browser is. Really, how fucking stupid can you be?

Have you ever read a book?
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>>149659963
Sure, I would be.
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>>149659432
You're back! I also wanted to let you know that the adjacency of the Formosan provinces is screwed up: Penghu is adjacent to Taitung (on the eastern side of Formosa) rather than Tainan on the western side.
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>>149660610
After SU was gone, nothing wouldve prevented Germany from going "muh ostgebiete", "gib back Posen und Kattowitz...or else"
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>>149660717
>le germany was le ebil imperialists
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>>149660680
Fuck, I forgot to change the adjacency. Thanks a lot, it's fixed now.
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>>149660795
>he's never heard of "Heim ins Reich"
WEW, I bet you play HOI4
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Quick, does anyone know the population of Sub-Saharan Africa prior to European colonization?
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>>149660717
Which is why he did exactly that to Italy with regards to its large german minority provinces.

>oh wait
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>>149660536
desu I'm not seeing how the Germans would've kept it up if the Russians just up and left for the east.
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>>149660638
How do I prevent British Nationalists from rising up from nowhere as England? I just wanna play a comfy game as a Republic and those fucks always pop up every 2 years no matter how hard I curbstomp them
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>>149660974
Removing UK cores there.
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>>149660638
Hey, a couple days ago I asked you to change the development of hokkaido decision to be taken only after the republic of ezo events happen. But yesterday I played as the shogunate and united japan peacefully and noticed that the event can ony fire if the meiji rebellion happens, so the decision got screwed up. (Also, the decision to abolish the han system still gave me the permanent growth bonus on Edo)
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>>149660905
Hundred thousand tops
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>>149660915
One of the points in the Nazi's 25 point program was to recover all lands lost after WW1. Poland had those lands:
Danzig-West Prussia, Posen, Kattowitz
>>149660916
where do they go to? Behind the Volga? Past the Urals? The farther the Russians retreat, the less infrastructure they have
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>>149660638
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ruhb2hszd3uez8w/SP_newpops.zip
Here you go. Savoy is almost full french now so you probably want to change it back with italians or give french accepted to SP
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>>149661072
>(Also, the decision to abolish the han system still gave me the permanent growth bonus on Edo)
I thought it was one related to an event (that I did change) not one related to the decisions. I changed that one too now.

>But yesterday I played as the shogunate and united japan peacefully and noticed that the event can ony fire if the meiji rebellion happens, so the decision got screwed up.
You changed to Japan, didn't stay as shogunate.

I will make sure you can do it even in that case too, than
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>>149661026
How do I do that?
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>>149661406
HPM, for free infamy reduction you can release small nations that share the same primary culture as you, as you can just sphere annex them the next day anyway. I don't know how this can be fixed, just to let you know

For example, playing USA and releasing New England
I think this only works for once though not sure
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Religious conversion is going to take a while, isn't it?
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>>149661406
HPM can you change the Liberal Conservative and Reactionary parties in America to laissez faire? All those parties had little to due with business and the economy.
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>>149661406
Yeah, I switched to regular Japan as soon as I could. There's no tradeoff really.

Have you thought about making a Matsumae domain that owns Hakodate instead of the shogunate? And with the decisions to conquer the rest of the island and the events to get part of sakhalin they would be the ones who get control over the provinces. I'm trying to find a good source for this topic but it's kinda barren.

Anyways, thank you for your work.
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>>149661406
Hey HPM how come Zulu just stays Zulu after westernizing? Bantu people were milked for slaves for centuries and surely resent GPs by now.
Shouldnt they try to band together related ethnic groups against westerners and such?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples

Also a reminder they are animists and get no decision to convert to other religions and such.
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>>149661902
Nevermind, seems like during this period the shogunate assumed direct control.
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Why is no one talking about HoI4?
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>>149661271
Kind of the point, look at what the chinks did. The Japanese would've died to attrition, hit and run, and guerilla tactics and gotten fucked in supply.
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>>149662440

Le meme game :)
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>>149661406
>than
Thanks.

>>149661296
Where did you get the french numbers?

>>149661443
Make a decision, change the stuff in the history files. Alternatively, don't let your people get pissed off. Then they won't rebel.

>>149661660
I will seek a solution for that.

>>149661806
I need some sources about that.

>>149662056
The game deals with culture groups. Culturally the bantu are very diverse.

>Also a reminder they are animists and get no decision to convert to other religions and such.
That will be changed next update when getting missionaries will be an active decision (or imposed decision).
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>Are fascists considered left or right?
What did he mean by this?
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>>149662672
>Where did you get the french numbers?
Well I tried my best to find numbers but to no avail. Only thing I have is a bunch of quotes that says Savoy and Aosta are basically french.
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>>149662672
>Culturally the bantu are very diverse
So are Chinese, South slavs, and whatever.
Not to mention Danubian Confederation.

Why not put in Kingdom of Mutapa in the game for instance and if you succeed to make that you can try for a confederation once social science is researched.


Also if i recall correctly Bantu are sub-culture group of Niger-Congo languages.
You also got Swahili that dont do much after westernizing either.
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>>149662567
However the Chinese had a full front with an objective to defend as well. Unless Germany goes full meme with Generalplan Ost, it wouldn't be long until the Red Army doesn't care enough about giving up and creating states such as the Ukraine
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Any way to make my eu4 to look more like this?
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>Craven and incapable from one battle
>Dies a few weeks later
Gotta love that RNG.
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>>149662672
hpm, I'd like you to consider again the lowering of the liferating of certain german provinces (like posen and east prussia) that didn't grow as much as the others in the period of the game.

if you think that it would lower emigration too much you can always have the ruhr boom decision give a bit more of pop growth. At least the population would be more acuratelly distributed.

Germany could really use a little nerf right now, ever since you fixed the chronic unemployment thing they have become world beaters.
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-16-mans-inhumanity-to-man.956080/
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Is unemployment unhistorical?
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>>149663306
>being a nigger
>being a JEWISH nigger
>being the duke of Semen
Yeah okay man
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>>149663154
Download Voltaire's Nightmare
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H E L P
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>>149663306
The game is just letting you know how big of a nonstarter fucking failure piece of shit you are, anon.
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>>149662991
It doesn't really say that. It says Aosta speaks a mixed dialect and that in the valley they speak french, piedmontian and latin. It says everyone in the valley know how to speak french as it is one of the official public languages (at least correctly), it doesn't say they are french.
It seems they spoke a mixed italian-french dialect, which made it easier for them to speak and understand French.
I will revert that back to vanilla values, I think

Also can't find anything about Savoy.


>>149663005
Well the bantu aren't the chinese or the south slavs.
The chinese were party of the same country for a long time and still are in the game start.

In any case, the bantu branch in 300-600 ethnic groups. Its spread happened more than a millenia ago
Just because you have a common origin doesn't mean it makes sense for you to get a tag for everyone in the same country. The muslim bantu and the different forms of animist bantus are so different from themselves and spent so much time apart already.

>>149663374
I didn't change unemployment in Europe aside from making pops leave more, which shouldn't help them.
They already slow down their growth when they reach a certain size.
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>>149663154
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=570256235 try this one
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>>149663425
>You can literally EAT PEOPLE
>Still no rape
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>>149663425
>We have added several fairly unpleasant ways to interact with your captives:
HAHA TIME FOR RAPE
>doesn't exist
HAHA TIME TO MOD IT IN
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>>149664118
They speak arpitan dialects. Of course they are not french but they are more french cultured than italian for sure
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>>149664270
>>149664216
>, or if you are a particular type of person you might sneak out and desecrate their corpse. We don’t judge!
>YOU CAN LITERALLY HAVE SEX WITH CORPSES
>rape is too far though, the corpse gave consent before it died
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>>149664118
Aight then.
Still isnt it kinda weird that if one tribe resists colonization nothing else changes on the whole African continent?
Arabs can unite in way, West Africa has empire yet South Africa and Congo have nothing.
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>>149664216
samefag
>>
I don't get it. Do you not know how to lower life ratings yourself? It takes two seconds to change the files. Two. Seconds. In the time it took you to load up gsg and ask HPM to 'consider' lowering the life rating of certain German provinces, you could already have the game you want. But you won't do it, because you'd rather ensure that the 1% Jewish minority in Katanga is represented in everyone's games. That's the only way the game will be complete.

It's not just you, either. Everyone here. You disgust me. You are lazy, stupid, and your very existence suggests to me that we live in the worst of all the possible histories replicated in these games. Do you have any more questions for the thread? Maybe you want to say something like "what are some comfy borders for Germany? btw just annexed warri so I'm swimming in cash xD". Maybe that's what you want to say. It is, isn't it? But too fucking bad. You don't get to say anything. Because the thread remembers. We remember to report and ignore shitposting. Really, how can we not? We are reminded of it each and every fucking thread. It is a pillar of the thread, along with the two Europa Universalis: Romes, Rome and Constantinople. You could show it a little respect.

But no. Instead of doing that, you'd rather just ask HPM to change. Maybe HPM doesn't want to change. Maybe YOU people, and I mean /gsg/, needs to change.

What the fuck is wrong with all of you? Whatever. I'll see you all on reddit.
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>>149664331
>>YOU CAN LITERALLY HAVE SEX WITH CORPSES

I don't think that's what they meant.
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Lads, who else is excited for the upcoming EU4 expansion, Strait Talk?
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>>149664603
kek
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>>149659432
1: end of the Manchu dominance decision should reduce militancy by 8 for all non Manchu, and add Both north Han and south Han as accepted

2: standard reactionary rebels should no longer apply to China. Think up a new rebel type that represents the bandits and deserters that roamed the countryside and fought westernization, but that didn't have the capability to overthrow the government

3: either make north and south Han pops much less likely to rebel, or add a militancy reducing modifier during the taiping rebellion lasting until the boxer rebellions.

4: if you don't want to severely nerf reactionary rebels (which you should), at least make the self strengthening movement more accessible and powerful, so that on average China can be westernized by 1930.

I have more suggestions, but let me know which of the above you'll implement
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>>149664603
It's funny, if they did that, the AI would actually know how to deploy overseas
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>>149664603
>no australia madagascar strait
??
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>>149664495
It's probably not that hard to change that to rape the corpse if you really wanted
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Why can't I rape my wife in Crusader Kings II? I want to have a son, wasn't that shit permitted in Medieval times?
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>>149664736
That would be unrealistic
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poor gooks ;_;
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>>149664603
I would actually like a loose convoy system like hoyfour and get rid of transport ships altogether.

Also production chains. Every new Paradox game should have production chains.
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>tfw murdering my brothers to give their lands to my sons
CK2 is the ultimate power fantasy
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>>149659432
Other China suggestions:

Its implausible and silly that most of China (especially if you take winds) is both fully politically aware and mobilized (10 consciousness), and fully ready to commit to an armed rebellion at the drop of a hat (6-9 militancy). Some other way has to be found aside from reactionary doom stacks (which IRL only spawned once or twice at most) to represent the Chinese opposition to westernization.

If you really can't think of a way to nerf reactionary rebels or strengthen the self strengthening movement or to reduce militancy, at least turn the Hundred days reforms into a slingshot for westernization for any play who can weather a rebellion or two.

Pls fix China. I want it to be a painful uphill battle, but a plausible one.
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>>149664739
>I want to have a son
Your dick is weak
>wasn't that shit permitted in Medieval times
...raping your wife? No not really, not that it stopped people who were determined.
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>>149664118
Hey HPM i got a suggestion about Greater Austrian Destiny.

Why not make deals with some of your neighbouring GPs to let you do it?

Russia - you offer them East Galicia or Lodomeria or both for them agreeing to form it
Italy - you give them Venice/Lombardia or both for agreement and them revoking claims on South Tirol/Istria. Its easier if you helped Naples to form Italy (so now you have a decent stake to control Italian formation)
France - most likely a war since A-L simply cannot be released properly nor Germans would agree to it.
Brits - maybe colony or canal? Mostly likely they wont help you out unless you keep relations up/and agree to release Hungary as puppet for next to years.

>what happens in 10 years
Well you do an Ausgleich which gives you an opportunity to centralize Hungary and get cores/culture on it if you force Brits to agree to it.


Also if you claim Austria would release Hungary as independent nation - that would make them a laughing stock of the whole Europe (giving away kingdom you had for 300+ years). Ottomans lost alot less when Balkans broke out yet they were considered sick man of Europe for well...forever?

Most realistically Austrian Germany would use them as a satellite Dual-Monarchy and later incorporate them while giving partial self-governance.

Same goes with Croats and Slovenians.
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What do you need to form Turkestan besides the starting countries there?
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>>149661806
>>149662672
>>149664118
>Behind the platforms issued by state and national parties stood a widely shared political outlook that characterized the Democrats:
They believed that government intervention in the economy benefited special-interest groups and created corporate monopolies that favored the rich. They sought to restore the independence of the individual—the artisan and the ordinary farmer—by ending federal support of banks and corporations and restricting the use of paper currency, which they distrusted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)

>Bourbon Democrats were promoters of a form of laissez-faire capitalism which included opposition to the protectionism that the Republicans were then advocating as well as fiscal discipline. They represented business interests, generally supporting the goals of banking and railroads but opposed to subsidies for them and were unwilling to protect them from competition.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Democrat
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>play Qing
>give up after 20 years
You have to be crazy to play this hellhole
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>>149665819
Vicky 2?
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>>149610969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbLkBZSOlc
how accurate this video is /gsg/?
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WHEN IS UNHPM GETTING UPDATED
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>>149665926
Patience lad, Alex can only work on one mod at a time, he'll work on unHPM after the next HPM update
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>>149664324
I disagree. Because of the centuries of independence most regions developed their own dialects, sure. They are often influenced by other dialects, languages and neighboring states, which is the case for Aosta. But they aren't french because their dialect is a mix of italian and french, the centuries of shared history and values with Savoy and later Italy puts them in the North Italian culture group. Kinda like Piedmontese that has strong french influences but it's still Italian and actually formed Italy.

>>149664367
Well, arab pan-nationalism is a different thing entirely. The arabs have a religion, set of rules and language that binds them together.

West Africa doesn't really have any empire. If you are talking about Toucouleur, they are bound by religion even though they shouldn't get accepted cultures.


>>149664689
1. Seems fair enough.

2. That's a bit complicated. China needs a new rebel type for the anti-manchu rebellions, so they kick out the manchu but don't lose progress. I don't think completely removing reactionary rebels would be fair.

3. Not sure about this one. The main problem is Han pops not being accepted and China being kicked and devastated by the Taiping rebellion, that usually makes rebel easier to proliferate.

>>149665139
Well the boxer rebellion was a reaction to the modernization efforts. China was a closed and very traditional country.

I will do something to make China more stable, as that also stops them being less of a pushover to defeat, but I need to find the balance between too stable and completely unstable.

>>149665394
I won't change Austria so they can form Germany while they hold all or most of the austrian territories. I don't plan changing that at all.
It would screw up balance of power, which the GPs wouldn't agree and defeat the purpose of a country for the germans.

>>149665743
Alright then, what about the southern democrats (the reactionary party)?
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>>149665743
>opposed imperialism and overseas expansion;
Also seems they shouldn't be jingoist.
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>>149665819
>Not Ming
Kill urself
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>>149666252
>It would screw up balance of power
But game has no sense about balance of power.
Italy will chop A-H up for cores yet nobody gives a damn about it.

Also if Italy exists balance of power is changed and Russia could agree with Austria because they lost Crimean war and find themselves threatened by UK and France.

Still, its your mod mate. Also what about Bohemians getting rights if they end up in Germany? They are 30% German and were under Germans for hundreds of years - same way Celtic Britons are accepted by Brits and French.
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>>149666585
>playing EU4
no u
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>>149666713
>Ming only exists in EU4
U are such an idiot
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>>149666838
Does it exist in anywhere other than the EU series?
>implying EU3 is still better than EU4
The only thing it has over it is objectively sliders.
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>>149666912
>What is FtG
End ur life stupid
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>>149665926
>>149666252
For China:

If you make a new anti man I rebel type, it needs to be disabled or otherwise you need a really strong modifier reducing militancy (continuous modifier, not flat reduction), during the taiping rebellion.

The current main problem is that the taiping rebellion + rebel doom stack due to war exhaustion combo is unbeatable and unavoidable. You want China to be a de estates shithole during that period, I get it, but frankly the Qing had more staying power than you give them credit for.

Do you think that any player that takes winds of westernization pre 1860 be be completely unable to hold back the rebel tide, be they anti Manchu or reactionary?
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>>149662880
He doesn't understand anything he can't blame on dice rolls
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>>149666951
>listen here you autistic cucknoob
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>>149667114
>>149667114
*should any player who takes winds be unable to defeat rebels

*anti Manchu

*devestated shithole
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Khazaria into SPQR + India trade posts in less than 100 years through invasion.
At least I am not Turk.
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>>149667484
>Roman Empire
>is a republic
???
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>>149667539
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what is it about prussia and blurple that make them so insanely appealing to autists
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>>149667704
Byzantium has a direct tie to ROMA INVICTA.
Prussia is meme-tier.
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>>149666671
You mean germany getting "All Allowed Rights"?

>>149667114
Checking the stuff now, it seems the taiping coring events need consciousness to spread. So technically, I could greatly reduce the militancy these events give until they don't overtake the "isolationism" modifier.

Problem is, consciousness encourage pops to become liberal, which also makes westernizing easier and I don't think being majorly liberal would really be fair when talking about 19th century China.
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>>149667785
Then why are Bretons accepted as French HPM?
Bohemians have more similarities with Germans than Bretons with French.
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>>149667785
Why not simply change that -org thing they get or make much weaker reactionary rebels for China to offset that.

Also all it takes is 1 battle victory for England to have such big score taking whole India wont stop Opium war.
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>>149667785
It's easier to add events and modifiers that make China more conservative than it is to balance militancy in a country that large desu
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>>149667879
Bretons were historically assimilated, Czech never were
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>>149666252
>>149666386
the southern democrats were a split from the northern democrats in 1860 and were very pro slavery. They were mostly platters wanting free trade but did not want the country to expand due to the west being more likely free states. but as for there economic views there is no much on it, but it properly was interventionism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party
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>>149667879
Because Bretons have been a part of France for a long while and nationalism didn't develop until very near the end of the game, when they stop being accepted.
Czech nationalism was already in place during the game start
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival

While Breton nationalism came after the language reforms
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisme_breton
When the bretons are already unaccepted.


>>149668038
They don't get the -org modifier for a while now, that won't solve it.

>>149668038
I know, I could make them the same as muslims and have them be naturally more inclined to be conservative while reducing the militancy modifier of the Taiping events, leading to a situation where you could tons of militancy without doing anything.

Still, the question is, should militancy increase as the Taiping grows up? Logic tells it should, be the rebellion don't seem to need any militancy for anything.

>>149668241
Alright, I will leave the reactionaries unchanged.

I still need to deal with war policy though. The conservatories weren't really jingoistic AFAIK, it seem they were isolationist and anti-imperialists. Dunno about the whigs.
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>>149667604
>khazar founding merchant republic
now you only have to convert to judaism
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does latest HPM still not work with minimods?

tired of seeing 'british' POPs
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>>149668482
Militancy being a requirement for the rebellion is fine, but massive reactionary/anti Manchu rebels 1 month before the rebellion aren't. Make a malus to rebel org/power for China that lasts until the conclusion of the taiping rebellion. Also, 2-3 militancy, which isn't a lot for other countries, represents 20-30% of the country as ready to fight the regime in China, so keep in mind that 3 militancy in China is equivalent to 6 elsewhere, and balance accordingly. 5 right now means unkillable death rebellions.
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So what's the ideal army composition in Vic2?
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>>149669125
4 inf, 2 dragoon, 4 art, 1 engi, 1 guard.
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What's the easy way to change immigrants/population growth/assimilation in my Coutry?(Vicky2)
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>>149669271
Research electricity/medicine, be in the new world, pass health reforms
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>>149669271
event 14680
Though should be noted if you abuse this you'll most likely break economy
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>>149669342
I by "change" i meant some kind of modding. I would like to be able to assimilate all of Africa as playing as Liberia.
>>149669536
>event 14680
What does it exactly do?
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>>149668893
Militancy isn't a requirement right now and, as you said, 6 militancy will probably mean a huge revolution.
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>>149669714
First conquer all of Africa, then delete cores of other countries there and add your own cores in save file. I did this in one of my meme games as Japan to China, all Chinks assimilated to Japanese in like only one month

14680 is Baby Boom, gives you pop growth, just try it in the game
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>>149669714
Fuck around in poptypes, or change your capital province continent to be in america
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>>149667704
>blurple
Because it's the Little Engine That Could(n't) of history, and everyone loves an underdog. Never mind that the ERE was one of the most despicable, degenerate empires in all of history.

pic related

>>149669271
>reddit comic
I want to like it, but it's reddit so I can't on principle.
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Are the probabilities shown during events in paradox games faked? It seems that 8 out of 10 times when there's a 50% chance of something negative happening, it happens.
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>>149668482
>>149668241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)
In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the Presidency and favored a program of modernization, banking and economic protectionism to stimulate manufacturing. It appealed to entrepreneurs and planters, but had little appeal to farmers or unskilled workers
>The central issue in the 1840s was expansion, with proponents of "Manifest Destiny" arguing for aggressive westward expansion, even at the risk of war with Mexico (over the annexation of Texas) and Britain (over control of Oregon). Howe argues that, "Nevertheless American imperialism did not represent an American consensus; it provoked bitter dissent within the national polity." That is, most Democrats strongly supported Manifest Destiny and most Whigs strongly opposed it.
Faragher's analysis of the political polarization between the parties is that:
"Most Democrats were wholehearted supporters of expansion, whereas many Whigs (especially in the North) were opposed. Whigs welcomed most of the changes wrought by industrialization but advocated strong government policies that would guide growth and development within the country's existing boundaries; they feared (correctly) that expansion raised a contentious issue the extension of slavery to the territories. On the other hand, many Democrats feared industrialization the Whigs welcomed. ... For many Democrats, the answer to the nation's social ills was to continue to follow Thomas Jefferson's vision of establishing agriculture in the new territories in order to counterbalance industrialization."
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>>149669920
>>149669810
>>149668482
The Southern Democrats (Reactionary) where the ones whom where anti-expansion but wound not support state capitalism, and be free trade.
While the Northern Democrats (Conservative) were expansionist.
>>opposed imperialism and overseas expansion;
Also seems they shouldn't be jingoist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Democrat
this party came about later by the 19th hundreds
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>He was out drinking last night?
How does this make you feel?
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>>149669861
>Persia
They were at war since Roman times though.

>Islam
>good

>Jesus
Nigga the Papacy was the one who broke off for temporal power.

>Bulgar and whatever the other tricolor is
Well uh, being at war...

>Italy
At war?

>Russia
I don't remember them being on shit terms

>HRE
>Germans being Romans

>Latins
A meme tier empire

>Ottomen
You can't blame them for not liking someone who conquered their asses.

None of those are legit arguments against the Byzantines. A legit argument would be for example the fact that they abandoned the crusaders under siege and fucked up the Ostrogoths so bad that the Lombards, who were more destructive to Roman culture and customs, came along. Also their retarded bureaucracy and revolts every 100 years.
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>>149669810
I think we're in agreement at this point. Militancy in China is too high, so you'll reduce it pre/during taiping rebellion. Western winds should be a difficult but possible gamble, not a guaranteed suicide plan. Reactionaries will be reworked, and anti Manchu rebels will be added. The end the Manchu dominance event will be changed.

In principle, reactionary/anti Manchu rebellions should be difficult, but neither frequent or unbeatable, and most of all shouldn't trigger during the taiping rebellion.

Does that all sound good?
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>>149669861
the Armenian one is really forced
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>>149646570
I also ran into this issue. The installer for the patch seems to run everything correctly, but once the game is launched it's still the old version.
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>>149670306
>Islam
>not good
t. kafir
the days of sinners and unbelievers are numbered, islam will rule the world inshallah
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>>149670756
Engage me in a theological debate then.
t. 144 learning
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does the ck2 to eu4 converter just not work anymore?
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>>149670810
hello thomas aquinas
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>>149670959
>implying christian
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>>149670306
Legit argument is that they couldnt handle as big as they were, that reconquest of Italy bled them dry which coincided with plague and when Crusaders took Jerusalem they didnt want to kick out Turks out of their land because "they would have to decentralize and give some power to new nobles for those province"
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>>149671094
How are the first two arguments though
The first is just natural result of being massive and centralized while the second was a lot of bad luck (it also coincided with a literally global failure of crops).
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>>149670306
>getting defensive about a literal meme empire
topwew lad
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>>149671214
>meme empire
How does one even define a meme empire considering it existed for like 700 years while remaining one of the strongest and richest nations in Europe?
I'm not really getting defensive so much as just defending them. There are arguments against them but most of those besides the first aren't.
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>>149671058
atheists can't have high learning, they just delude themselves into thinking they can
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Gonna play vic2 for the first time, as USA. Should I just play as the north in the civil war (even though I'd rather play the CSA)?
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>>149671419
>implying atheist
Also yeah they can, considering CK2's definition of "learning" is basically "how much you know about religions in general" and an obvious holdover from when it was purely about Christian rulers. Atheists can obviously know a lot about the religions they're denying and Cynics are basically atheists anyway.
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>>149671525
why the fuck would you want to play as the csa
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>>149671801
Probably a dixiefag
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>>149671662
If atheists knew a lot about the religions they were denying, they wouldn't be atheists.
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>>149671801
Because alternate history.
>>149671845
I'm not american.
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>>149671880
That's like saying a Catholic who knows a lot about Hellenism and Zoroastrianism would be all three at the same time.
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>>149671953
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=477002639
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This feels dirty
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>>149672010
no, because Hellenism and Zoroastrianism are false religions
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>>149672076
JESUITS WILL RULE THE WORLD
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>>149672042
Okay
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>>149672089
So then you agree with my statement save for Christian religions then?
>add-on to a literal kike fanfiction written by a kike on a stick with parts "corrected" or dropped as "not canon!" by the popular vote of the most autistic fans
>splinters into protestantism aka "write your OWN fanfiction instead of listening to shitty kike fanfiction"
>not shit
They can't even fucking agree or remain consistent on what is canon.
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>>149672207
Is that a UI mod? If so which one?
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>>149672250
Edgy as fuck, grow up nazi.
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>>149672359
>no argument
As expected
Are you the baptistfag from /twg/
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>>149672432
>don't provide an argument
>other person doesn't either
>throw an autistic fit
Classic /pol/
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>>149672625
I did provide an argument, but let's do it again and add some more
Christians literally decide the Word of God by popular vote and the word often changes for whatever reason and manages to distort itself for political or temporal reasons.
They also can't remain consistent throughout time and the idea of 'reform' being a thing is ridiculous for a religion that specifically says Jesus is the last time God is going to give out instructions.
They also integrate 'saints' from heathen religions and folklore despite them obviously not being saints since they never heard of God.
The instructions themselves are so vague on the other hand that you need church councils to try and figure out which way is the right way to look at it.
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Now the dust has settled how would you rate all the gs games based on fun level?
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>>149673748
Are mods allowed in judging?
If so
CK2 > EU4 ~ V2 ~ DH > EU3 ~ HoI 3 > Goy 4
If not
CK2 > V2 > DH ~ HoI 3 > *
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>>149673898
what mods for CK2? I used some mod for V2 that I found in this general (probably HPM, cant remember) and it was pretty fun
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>>149674003
CK2+ or HIP for vanilla+ and When the World Stopped Making Sense, the Warhammer mod, After the End, and assorted bullshit mods. CK2 is more of an RPG than a strategy game anyway.
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>The British Empire enters the war on the side of Hitler in 1939, and becomes a totalitarian fascist state.
>The US remains neutral.

What do you think of this world lads?
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>>149674308
>laddie's first alt-history original oc donut steel
shit / 10
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>>149611515
I'm ashamed to be a steemgruppe now
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>>149674308
>totalitarian
I doubt that could happen, but they might still become fascist.
>that epic Germany
>Japan (?)
>that huge fucking /BRIT/
How about no?
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Ist there a point to submarines in DH?
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>>149655995
Why
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>>149672359
most nazis were fully grown up
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>>149674075
Im thinking about getting either CK+ or HiP mod, I can´t decide both seem good. What would you recommend? I already played a bit of CK2 year ago
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>>149656819
Blobbing is easy in CK2
>renaming Scandinavia to Estonia instead of creating the Kingdom of Estonia, then the Empire of Estonia
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>>149674308
Absolutely nonsensical
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>>149675786
CK2+ is my personal preference but it lacks the godly map of HIP.
I don't care about CPR since I use a simplistic anime portraits mod instead.
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All Islamic people are now united under a single flag! Allahu Akbar!
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>>149666252
I think the other guy's suggestion about all bantu being accepted is dumb but what about the Nguni Bantu, like xhosa, Ndebele etc?
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good Liquoria 3 when?
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>>149676103
I seriously wish Islam didn't exist. This fucking triggers me.
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>>149677253
>not just wishing the Abrahamics in general didn't exist
Any religion tailored to spread and with some shitty carrot-and-stick policy is cancer.
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>>149676103
Sorry to burst your bubble m8 but that country would be the retardest country in the world if it existed
It would be even more of a meme than Belgium
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>>149677253
But muh religion of piss
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>>149677306
*tips*

>>149677339
kekd

>>149676783
I hope it has production chains
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>>149677424
>*tips*
But it is. Religions should be entertaining and seek to explain shit and not generally need to expand. Christianity and Islam are both far more concerned with saying 'you'll be punished' and 'you'll be rewarded', they feel incredibly fucking political in nature.
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>>149676565
This
A way to accept Shonas and Xhosas as Zuli would be perfect. IIRC Nguni and Ndebele are already accepted though.
Also, westernized African kingdoms should have some generic flavour, ie bond with other African kingdoms you have good relations with, giving them some research points, as well as a name change for some.
Shouldn't newly westernized nations get a temporary research bonus too? Persia and Japan have it.
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can anyone upload CK2+ mod to mega?
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>>149677797
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ffilweyn2qehtjr/CK2Plus%20v4.04.6.rar?dl=0
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>>149620269
I second this. It is painful and pointless to create a White Haven in the Heart of Darkness, without newcomers. HPM gotta give more attention to South Africa and Rhodesia.
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unHPMeme, are you here? You were talking about making a mod for Hoy4, did you get on to that yet?
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>>149677630
Modern Catholicism has retracted significantly, more about winning hearts and minds through intellectual theological discourse than "BREED EXPAND CONQUER". The latter is more the case with Protties.

Judaism is a joke and a dumb one, how does it even still exist. Your Messiah came and went, get with it.

Islam is the antithesis of Christianity---Christ says 'choose'; Muhammad says 'submit (or die)'.
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>>149677630
Yeah but the west is Christian so it's accepted and even encouraged on 4chan to be Christian, while Muslims are evil and dark and unlike us Christians who dindunuffin Muslims are pure evil!11!!!!
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>>149675786
HIP is way prettier and cock events are disabled by defult now
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>>149676103
Allahu akbar! Now conquer Spain and everything up to vienna and convert them to the light of islam.
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>Try out VIET
>expect Vanilla interaction, events and traits
>get Oblivion memes, memes, cock jokes, and anime photos of brushing my teeth.
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>>149678079
>Modern Catholicism has retracted significantly
And is hated for it.
>Judiasm is a joke
Yet it serves as the basis for Christianity and Islam.
>Islam is the antithesis of Christianity
I disagree. They're fundamentally the same, Christ just doesn't threaten to kill you in this life, he threatens to damn you in the next.
The Abrahamic religions are focused on converting and spreading instead of explaining or being entertaining to read about. It's just threats and bribery - come over to this side and go to Paradise, don't and be damned forever.
Also shit-tier stories
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>>149678361
I miss the times when it was actually a good mod
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>>149678137
The West is the Best. Islam is an evil, backwards, violent ideology that has sought/actively seeks to destroy the West. Islam must be eradicated once and for all.
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New Thread
>>149678419
>>149678419
>>149678419
>>149678419
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>>149678361
IN A WORLD, WHERE EVERY THING MAKES YOU LOOSE PRESTIGE
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>>149678493
>backwards
They're a big part of the renaissance though.
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>>149678079
>Islam is the antithesis of Christianity---Christ says 'choose'; Muhammad says 'submit (or die)'.
That's literally not true. What do you think the jizya is?
It's literally choosing not to convert. In Islam conversion can't be forced like it can in christianity, and in christianity people can't choose to keep on with their faith. That's why they expelled the jews of literally every christian country while they still lived in Jerusalem for millennia.

You /pol/tards have an edgy teenager knowledge of the shit you are talking about.
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>>149678432
>I don't want to think critically about my life and the choices I make
>I don't want my life to change
>I don't want to be challenged
>I just want to be entertained constantly
t. every single millennial

Literal children, enjoy eternal damnation :^)
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>>149678361
YOU CHOOSE TO INSTALL IT'S NOT LIKE WE BUNDLED THIS HEAP OF SHIT WITH A MISLEADING NAME WITH OUR MODS
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>>149678705
Technically you can't be forced to convert in Christianity, you need to accept Christ on your own.

>>149678764
>think critically
You mean 'listen to exactly what God (me) says for you to do and go to this amazing super nice place with eternal happiness or don't and get whipped for eternity'? That's not thinking at all. That's just threats and bribery.
>I don't want my life to change
What does this have to do with anything? You mean the retraction thing? That's mainly because of the Pope doing shit like kissing the feet of niggers. Now technically that's more in line with the Bible, but doesn't mean everyone likes it. I don't actually care.
>I don't want to be challenged
What are you referring to?
>I just want to be entertained constantly
The NT is literally almost completely a collection of fables saying why Christ is amazing and God is right and here's your new moral code. It has no entertaining stories or interesting tales besides Apocalypse. Having interesting stories is not a downside, a collection of moralfagging stories kind of is.
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>>149678764
>gets assmad over people not being christian
>posts that image
Do you even understand the irony
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>>149679167
Technically. In reality, it did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christian


During most of history, christianity was way less tolerant of other religions than islam. That's why they sent the teutonic knights north to purge the unbelievers while the Druze and Yazidi survived.

This only changed when Christianity lost all its power, so it couldn't try and exterminate others while Islam never lost that power.

The spanish burned and destroyed almost everything the natives had in the new world in relation to books and shit.

I don't know why you fags try to take the moral high ground with this "we are peaceful" shit. Christianity became peaceful because it lost all its secular power.
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>>149679601
Well yeah, de facto but not technically. I'm more arguing about why the religion is fundamentally a shit, not why it's a shit in real life.
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>>149678432
You seem to have a very flawed view of christian dogma.

Hell isn't a punishment, it's a state of being of a person unwilling to be one with god. The whole "hell is a very hot place where the devil stabs you in the ass with his trident for eternity" stems from a fucking bible fanfic.
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>>149678173
I conquered southern Spain but gave it back to Castile after I took the Unite Islam decision.
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>>149680036
In Islam you are also not technically forced to convert. That's the whole point of Jizya. The religion actually has mechanism for tolerance and to protect minorities while no such thing exists in christianity no such thing exists.

Christ itself sets the example by going in a temple and smashing everything up to show his big tolerance of others.

By your own arguments christianity is worse than islam because it is fundamentally shit while Islam gives a basis for tolerance of others.
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>>149680056
>it's a state of being of a person unwilling to be one with god
Yes, I know that. That doesn't mean that it isn't presented as a very unattractive state to be in. It's literally a carrot and stick : accept God and be forever blissful or don't and be forever uncomfortable. It is a religion tailored to spread.
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>>149680224
You're mistaking who I am because you forgot to read the rest of my post.
Christianity and Islam are both a shit.
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>>149680748
Well I'm talking to the guy who's trying to get the moral high ground and pretend his religion is more tolerant
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>>149680916
Yeah no that's not me. I'm just noting that technically you cannot be forced to convert in either, and once more I'm talking about the theological shit not the history.
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>>149681009
>Break down their altars and smash their sacred pillars. Burn their Asherah poles and cut down their carved idols. Completely erase the names of their gods!

>Do all that
>btw you are free to worship whoever you want :^)


The bible sure makes a good point in the "technically" part either way.
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>>149681189
That's not true. The bible doesn't say you can worship whoever you want, it just says it's literally physically impossible to force someone who doesn't want to to accept Christ. If they don't you're supposed to love them as your neighbor but burn their idols down. THERE'S a thought, apparently loving your neighbor means committing arson to the places they consider important.
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Should I remove support artillery from my infantry divisions if I put 2 real artillery to it?
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>>149680916
You're arguing that a religion is inherently bad because it was used by the ruling elites to establish control over populations in history, like it's somehow an integral part of that religion.

The bottom line is, christian radicalism is almost non-existent, which can't be said about Islam.
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>>149678705
>you can choose to not convert :)
>just pay us half your income and let your sons get stolen and converted to Islam to kill Christians while your daughters are made into rape-slaves for the caliph
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>>149678705
>>149681541
Oh, and you can't build churches without the permission of the government and the head of your religion is appointed by the caliph as well.
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>>149681189
>old testament

wew laddio
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>>149681404
>You can't force people to convert
>but you can burn down all their worshiping places, beat them up and smash their idols
That sounds like coerced conversion to me.

>>149681541
I didn't say they are super tolerant, I'm saying some /pol/tard christfag trying to get the moral high ground when you can't even pay a tax and not convert is retarded as fuck.

Organized religion thrive on war and conquest, no reason to pretend you don't.

>>149681532
No, not that guy.

>>149681683
Which is better than having a free pass for them to burn your temple.

>>149681720
>le old testament cop-out
Are you going to pretend this isn't part of Christianity? That it isn't in the bible?
>But jesus was peaceful
Yeah whipping people sure is peaceful.
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>>149682048
Who cares if your idols are destroyed.
Just choose not to convert :)
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>>149682048
>That sounds like coerced conversion to me
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
You literally can't force them to no matter what you do. It's not being allowed to or not, it's just impossible. Do all that and if they don't feel like converting, they still go to hell.
Don't get me wrong, I'm the one saying Christianity is shit, but it's legit impossible to.

>>149682192
You're being sarcastic but that's technically how it works because it requires the guy in question to actively convert. If he doesn't he goes to hell anyway.
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>>149682048
>Are you going to pretend this isn't part of Christianity

That was literally the point of the new testament, a new set of laws. I don't really see christians circumcising their newborn sons or sacrificing animals, but keep on being a retard.
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>>149682447
>I don't really see christians circumcising their newborn sons
...I'm pretty fucking sure they still do.
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>>149682447
>I don't really see christians circumcising their newborn sons
*I don't really see Jesus commanding His followers to circumcise their newborn sons
Retarded clapistani """"Christians"""" decided circumcision prevented masturbation and started the practice up again.
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>>149682192
>>149682447
>That was literally the point of the new testament, a new set of laws.
Timothy 3:16: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,


It's literally saying that ALL scriptures is the word of god. Stop pretending the old testament means shit and it's included in the bible for shits and giggles.
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>>149682658
Jesus taught a new way to interpret the old revelation. The older stuff is still true, but it's not as applicable anymore.
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>>149682658
Again, you're missing the point, the new testament overrides the old testament. It's that simple.
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>>149682447
>That was literally the point of the new testament, a new set of laws.
Look man
The reason Jizya exists in Islam is because it's technically the same God as Christians and Jews, Islam is just the updated version of it.
Christians don't decide the OT doesn't matter except where Christ specifically says "stop listening to this part it got retconned".
There is only One God, all other Gods are pretenders or demons never got retconned which leads directly to being able to destroy idols to purify the land of demon.
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>>149682754
What part of
>All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
You don't understand?
How about Matthew?

>Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

>>149682790
No, it doesn't. It's literally said so.
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>>149682790
No it fucking doesn't. The NT overrides OT only when they specifically contradict. If OT tells you to do push-ups every day at noon but NT says 'don't do that anymore', NT wins out, but if NT says 'do sit-ups at dawn' that doesn't mean you don't do push-ups at noon.
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>>149682790
>hey guys god is omniscient
>he told you to write all this shit
>btw we are adding an errata here, forget the OT
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>>149683020
Look you fucking retard, this isn't about arguing the validity of existence of an omnipotent being, but theology of a particular religion.
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>>149683171
>"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
>but muh OT isn't valid
>we just include it for shit and giggles
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>all this arguing
Look
Neither OT nor NT is a good story and people have already pointed out flaws in how the religion works.
It's the dominant religion and the most successful one but Ishtar's hissyfits alone are more entertaining than anything the canon KJV can toss out.

>>149683171
Not him but the fact that the omniscient being saw fit to forget to say something is a pretty big hole in the theology.
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>>149658569
KINGS
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>>149683348
He didn't forget, he's arguing that the omniscient said "scratch that, I was wrong, now be more tolerant of those I told you to burn down. brb whipping some infidels"
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>>149682884
Read what I wrote.
Not AS applicable. Still can be applicable, but not as frequently as the newer stuff is applicable.
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>>149684421
Read the bible. The NT literally says that everything that came before is true and is applicable.
Stop pretending the OT is there for nothing. It's literally the word of god too.
Trying to take the moral high ground and then trying to hide in "the OT isn't valid" is some dumbfuck shit
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>>149684619
Are you seriously stupid?
I'm saying the OT is useful, but that the NT is usually more useful.
The OT discusses things that Christians don't bother with, like sacrifice and pilgrimage festivals. That's not useful at all in practical matters today. But then there are parts like "don't sleep around" and "don't murder people" that are certainly useful, and the NT basically says "listen to the OT on that stuff"
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>>149684949
And that shit all to do with the subject at hand, which is "my scriptures are more peaceful than theirs"
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>>149686002
>this somehow changed from my religion is more peaceful than theirs to this

sasuga
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>>149686171
It always like this.
Some retard try to get the moral high ground and when people point out christianity isn't peaceful they run around saying the OT isn't valid.
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>>149686323
Are you seriously implying that modern christanity barring some batshit american sects isn't pretty alright?
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>>149686323
You misunderstood what I was trying to say, I'm mocking you.
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>>149686625
>modern christianity
Modern christiany doesn't have any power and it's barely a religion.

>>149686757
Guess that's what you need to do when you try to run away from the discussion by pretending to be retarded.
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>>149686934
>Modern christiany doesn't have any power and it's barely a religion.

So the way to decide what is and what isn't a religion is by the amount of radical members it has?

Alright.
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>>149687076
No, I said christianity is barely a religion because most christians are don't practice the religion. They say they believe in god and jesus christ but don't go to church or actually do anything the religion tells them to do.

The "power" point is what it matters to the discussion though. Christianity became "modern Christianity" or rather it became peaceful because it lost all its secular power. Until that they were as violent Islam.
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>>149687364
>Until that they were as violent Islam

People in general were more violent. A crusader slaughtering a bunch of infidels is not a good christian no matter how you slice it.
,
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>>149687975
Right, but they were still violent up to the 16th century.

Christianity didn't become modern christianity or become peaceful by the nature of the religion or by choice, it became peaceful because it lost all its power and possibility to be violent. Trying to get the moral high ground because of that is retarded.
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>>149688215
>Christianity didn't become modern christianity or become peaceful by the nature of the religion or by choice, it became peaceful because it lost all its power and possibility to be violent

That's complete bollocks, irreligiousness started becoming a trend only after the latter half of the 20th century.

People's morals were pretty much completely dominated by religion up to that point.
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