/dsg/ - Souls General

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How is she so perfect?

second for fight club boyfriend kissu

Is save swapping fine, it will not get me penalized right?
Does it still work the same as in DS2? Just go to the character screen, alt+tab and replace file right?

This 10 character limit is killing me

i can only beat people missing a chromosome

>>149557805
Sounds like you'd beat about 80% of dsg

do yall stop leveling around 100 even in ng+3 and above? the mobs are pushing my shit in

>>149557756
Disgusting

What is the best game outside of the Soulborne series?

Should I level vit? 2 weapons and a shield and I'm mid-rolling, even with light armor.

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>>149557585

DS3 consensus:
>PvP is shit
>PvE is shit
>[Irrelevant youtube ""celebrity""] doesn't make video anymore, so game is shit
>Artificial difficulty (i.e., I got wrecked which got me angry), so game is shit
>game is shit because this and that is different from this previous game

So just like every souls game released after DeS, until the next one comes out and you praise the previous one. Is this community retarded?

>>149557867
c-chuuuu~~~~

What's the best boss to coop around SL50 in DaS3? I need Sunbro coins.
I know I can just invade for them but I'm in the mood to help shitters kill bosses, been invading a lot for dregs and tongues and shackles already.

So according to some guy I watched on Youtube DS2's PvE is perfect as long as you always play unlocked and weave into the packs of enemies, doing single attacks before rolling away.

PRITHEE BE CARE, MWEHEHEH

>>149557907
No, there's no point in levelling vit. Mid roll is stupid good in 3.

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>>149557969

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How to get the most of this beauty?


I'm between
1. 40 str, 16 dex, 30 faith with lightning weapon
2. 40 str, 40 dex refined with gold pine resin
3. 40 str, 40 dex, 10 faith(+5 priest ring) with blessed weapon

>tfw longsword doesn't have 2h thrust attacks

sad

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>>149557969
chuu chuu chuu

>>149557962
>PvP is shit
This is objectively true when looking at random invasions, the primary form of PvP. Duels are mostly fine.
>Artificial difficulty
Literally all of Lothric Castle is artificial difficulty in the form of "same old enemies but with 5x the stats", the same lazy form of difficulty used for NG+.
You don't have to get rekt by something to consider it artificial difficulty, it just has to be obviously creatively bankrupt and non-engaging in how it challenges you.

>>149558034
#2

>>149558034
Refined is the correct answer for every single weapon in the game that can be infused.

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>>149558015
pcfcbf kissu!!!

>>149558187
No, I'd rather kill myself than getting a pcfcbf kissu

>>149558187
Kissu!!!!! (*＾3＾)

>>149558165
>>149558117
So I imagine Refined 35 str, 35 dex, 25 faith with Knight, Hunter and Priest Ring, Lightning Clutch then buffing with Lightning Blade would be the best choice?

>>149558097
Blue knights are more aggressive, and greatsword knights deal far more damage.

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Post builds

>>149558384
Looks like Keanu Reeves

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>>149556171
puhleeaseeee

>>149558474
I've only done it with concords butI was fine. Stay offline though.

>>149558384
Russian Orthodox as fuck

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>>149558258
why don't you want to be happy with your pcfcbfs?

>>149558273
hehe <3

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>>149558384
this is wat i picture every aldrich faithful to look like

>>149558362
>more aggressive
Literally the same AI except they can cast buffs for more damage.
>deal far more damage
The definition of artificial difficulty. Real difficulty forces the player to change their approach, artificial difficulty doesn't change the encounter in any way beyond the player dying faster if they fuck up the usual approach.

>>149558653
I hate happiness and I don't want any pcfcbfs.
I'm a lone wolf

>>149558653
>>149558474
>>149558187
>>149558015
You guys could at least use dark souls pics.

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you faggots make me sick

>>149558818
most souls fanart is shit and not cute

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>>149558818
no fuck you

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>>149558818
I would if I had some more for this kind of discussion

>>149558719
huh? greatsword knights are an entirely new species that you fight against and are exclusive to upper lothric

a buff itsn't artifical difficulty. it's an obvious telltale sign that says, "Hey, I'm going to deal more damage this time using this buff of mine."

Cautious players would know to lob a duel charm, thus removing some degree of danger from the foe.

In addition, those areas are intended for higher soul levels. It isn't "artifical difficulty", it's appropriate difficulty adjusted to the average level of a player, which tends to be somewheres around 80 or so. 90 if they've killed meme king.

>>149558951
>which tends to be somewheres around 80 or so. 90
Not the other guy but I've got to step in and say you're out of your fucking mind.

Most people finish the game around SL 60.

>>149558865
>>149558908
Then make it.

>>149558384
What boots are those?

>>149559208
>implying i can into art at all

PCFCBF killu

>>149559247
>making excuses

>>149559120
[Citation Needed]

Would there be a PC anon kind enough to help me get some items to my new character?
I need to transfer a staff, firekeeper set, a hat, and 4 rings.

If you're willing to help drop a red sign at the highwall bonfire
Pass: dsgtrade
the characters involved are Sigyn and Flame Witch.

>>149559120
~80 is more common from my experience, unless you rush like a madman or play a caster and spend a fortune on spells

>>149559296
>implying it was an excuse

>>149558951
You know what area was intended for higher soul levels in DaS1? Anor Londo. You didn't fight Hollow Soldiers and Balder Knights with inflated stats, you fought Silver Knights.

>B-but Lothric Knights make sense in Lothric Castle
Sure, but then why do gimped versions exist in High Wall? Did they run out of budget to design both Tough Endgame Knight enemy and Tough Earlygame Knight enemy? It's just lazy. Even the greatsword knights are at least a slightly different variation, but you also have regular spear knights with inflated stats that don't even have red eyes or different tabard colors.

Having literally the same enemy with wildly different stats is artificial difficulty, even MMORPGs put in the bare minimum effort of giving them a pallette swap and different name. The player should be able to expect a certain level of enemy strength by having fought them before, why does climbing a ladder make knights stronger?

>>149559228
Drang Shoes

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>>149557739
It has a good moveset, looks good and is buffable.
I didn't use it in DaS2 much because it lacks the poke.

>>149559276
don't hurt my pcfcbf!!!

>>149559559
It had a 2H poke though

>>149559306
Your new is showing.

First week after the game launch everyone was posting their characters and almost everyone was around 60. That's the SL people on a blind run finish the game, usually missing either Demon Ruins, Dragon Peak or both.

>>149559367
If you buy all armors to see what they look like, try at least 3 different weapons and die a few times, you'll finish the game at 60. Of course today we finish at 80~100. We already know how to maximize everything, where to get souls, how to farm effeciently and almost never die.

>>149559120
>>149559367
Random side question, which boss(es) are most people around ~SL50 for?

>>149559624
I would say Pontiff

>>149559624
Aldrich/Yhorm i think

>>149559120
https://youtu.be/RmMbXC-NJEA?t=36007

90

https://youtu.be/N9l-aNz8eiA?list=PL7RtZMiaOk8gqctsEgBQ9IhQAnm_P5ILT&t=310

100

https://youtu.be/bnxddR2UKI4?list=PL4vbGURud_Hr6-YmgnD7Np-TadORtAqk0&t=99

105

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>firelink greatsword gets buffed with fire damage when it uses its weapon art line-knockdown
>tailbone shortsword gets nothing even though they put in a wind-weapon buff animation for the storm ruler

>>149559624
Aldritch and Yhorm.

>>149559623
Not him but I bought every single armor and upgraded like 3 weapons on my 1st run and still finished the game at sl 80-85

>>149559705
I dont think the Storm Ruler earrape stance gives extra AR

>>149559559
It arguably had its strongest moveset in the series in 2. The poke and slash R2s swapped hands though, poke is 2h and slash is 1h.

bring back DS2 online activity indicator to the travel menu!

>>149559736
>>149559703
Most people reach Irythil at 35~40.
After you defeat Sully/reach Profaned, you're at max, 55.

How the fuck the short area that is Lothric Castle put you at 80, it's almost 30 levels.

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>>149559705
sleep tight cute cat

>>149559771
yeah i thought as much
would be okay with just the weapon getting a buff animation; in general i'd just like more flashy shit in das3

>>149559367
Pls help, i need that witch gear

What are the current best non-curved swords in DaS3?
Are all Greatswords still shit?
Are any UGS actually good besides AGS rolling attack spam?
Are any Straight Swords good besides Gotthards?

>>149558384
looks like an Orthodox, why not Rasputin?

>>149559705
I want to be this cat right now.

>>149559993
sure bud
location and pass

>>149560010
>What are the current best non-curved swords in DaS3?
Lothric SS and Estoc
>Are all Greatswords still shit?
Yes
>Are any UGS actually good besides AGS rolling attack spam?
Same as always
>Are any Straight Swords good besides Gotthards?
All of them are good

>>149560060
woops sorry im blind

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>>149559519
>Sure, but then why do gimped versions exist in High Wall?
To give you familiarity in terms of how to fight them.

> The player should be able to expect a certain level of enemy strength by having fought them before
Also, the point that you're missing is that Dark Souls is an RPG, which means that the player scales in strength and while the enemies don't scale to your level, the enemies are kept to your overall level in strength. Considering how linear Dark Souls 3 is, the player can be considered to be at "X strength" when they arrive to Lothric Castle, ergo they can make them roughly the same "tier" enemies they were on the High Wall relative to the player's power.

I think it would've been nice if they had communicated the shift better with visual differences, but what are you gonna do? Imo they made enough Red Eyes and Blue Tabard Knights for there to be a difference and it's not like Demon's Souls didn't use the Blue Eyed Knights in the tutorial and in Worlds 1 through 4.

>You didn't fight Hollow Soldiers and Balder Knights with inflated stats, you fought Silver Knights.
Yes, but Lothric High Wall and Lothric Castle are thematically the same area.


It might be a little lazy game design, but it's not "artificial difficulty" imo.

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>Get summoned at pontiffs
>Decide to use the storm ruler weapon art on him
>Didn't even make a mark on the health bar
>Applause

>>149559917
LVL 90
https://youtu.be/r68vJZOHdDI?t=801
I have never once made it through a playthrough without being, at the absolute least, SL80 after killing SoC.

If you run through every single area, only collect the souls that are not out of your way and refusing to kill any non-boss enemies, you might beat the game at SL60.

SL60 is literally 430k souls dude.

How the fuck can you play through DaSIII and not earn more than 430k souls unless you deliberately try or are speedrunning.

>>149560079
>Lothric SS
Please explain. I love the beam attack but I always heard it does abysmal damage compared to others.

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why isn't the best armour set in dark souls 1 and 2 in dark souls 3

>>149560175
I don't know. I'm just saying what I saw and what I experienced. Look the archive if you doubt me. Everyone was finishing the game at 60~70, some people were even saying that 80 was the meta.

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>>149560191
I was talking about this one.

It's amazing for turtling, as cheap as the estoc, but even better if you're good at anything else besides spamming R1.

>>149560150
Storm Ruler has zero ability outside of Yhorm's fight. You can't even use it on other giants.

>>149560142
It's as much artificial difficulty as NG+ differences in stats. You could do early Dancer and it would feel like suddenly going from NG+0 to NG+1.

There's also absolutely zero lore reasons why some Lothric Knights are randomly stronger than others without having glowy eyes or some kind of "elite" (blue) outfit denoting their status. It genuinely feels like a shitty MMO or jRPG where the enemies are stronger "just because", despite not being an actual higher tier of creature.
Would it have killed them to at least make ALL of the knights in the castle have blue tabards and/or red eyes? That would be a bare minimum level of consistent visual cue that these guys are different. But no, past the Dancer bonfire you have one red eye knight with a red tabard, and two regular-ass vanilla knights who are still somehow stronger than the ones a 30 second jog away.
I'm never going to stop complaining about this because it's just a crystallization of the lack of real passion that went into the development of DaS3. If they weren't just going for a quick cash grab of a game, they would've at least made the knights in the castle tie into the pilgrim butterfly/pus of man type enemies somehow, giving them black sludge effects and weird new moves.

>what are you gonna do?
Bitch on a tibetian throat singing forum, apparently. I don't even know why, probably just letting off steam because I wanted this game to be a better sendoff for the series.

>>149560551
At least the moveset is kinda decent

>>149560060
>>149560127
Thanks Gattsu, good fistfight.
Those reverse backsteps tho

>>149560750
sorry lad i dont think str downscales, u werent doing any damage

when is the dlc coming out? and when is dark souls 4 coming out with good character customization?

>>149560786
Np, i had fun

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>>149560551

>>149560706
I'm reading this discussion and I just want to say I agree with you and I've always felt exactly the same.

It's the exact same enemie.
With the exact same speed.
Same moveset.
Same everything.

But is just does more damage, higher numbers. This is beyond lazy, like you said, they could've at least put red eyes or blue tabbards on them, hell, the mobs with different tabbards are already in game, the ones before the Princes are different, why they didn't use those in upper Lothric Castle?

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>>149560079
Someone really ought to make a version of this for DaS3 (and DaS1 maybe), but I doubt 3 has enough of a PvP community that takes the game seriously enough.

>>149560968
But someone did.

>>149560816
expect an announcement later in august

couple years

>>149561034
>couple years
NOOOOOOOOO I DONT WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG I JUST WANT A DARK SOULS GAME WITH BREAST AND ASS SLIDERS!!!!!!

>>149561003
I doubt it's up to date.

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>>149560968
>tfw DS1 has more top tier weapon weapon variety than DS2

>>149560968
DS3's top tiers are estoc, crystal sage rapier, carthus curved, gotthards, gargoyle spear, washing pole and fire surge.

>>149561343
>crystal sage rapier

not that one

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I really hope that in the DLC, they add new weapons that aren't just half-assed reintroductions of weapons from DaS1 and DaS2.

Dear god I hope there's a chain whip with S scaling in strength. and a really good dueling area that is constantly rainy and gets acceptable frame rate on worse rigs/cucksoles

>>149561470
It's the longest rapier in the game that deals 200 damage per 1hr1 and chips through the shields.
Arguably it's even better than estoc because of delayed r2 that can be used for catching people on panic rolls.

>>149561243
>5 weapons on that DaS1 image you just linked
>5 weapons on that DaS2 image

Or are you seriously implying that punching with the pyro glove's L2 is top tier? The DaS2 image explicitly states it only measures weapons as used for attacking, hence why there's no catalysts and why the parrying tools are so low (even back during insta-parry monastery scimitar).

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>>149561530
>DLC weapons

TWINSHIELDS
or if that's too silly, at least
TWINCROSSBOWS

>>149561561
Asshole tier is top tier as well
Pyromancy glove obviously means top tier pyromancies like black flame and great combustion which shit on the entirety of ds2's magic system.

>>149558034
>str faith plus lightning blade

At 24str, 50 faith, and using yorshkas chime my LKGS gets 760 ar when buffed with lightning blade

>>149561681
Asshole tier only worked on shitters and casuals, which is why it's asshole tier and not top tier.
Not counting the tumblebuffed Stone Greatsword because that's glitch tier.

>>149561739
With this setup >>149558327 you get over 800

>>149561681
>Pyromancy glove obviously means top tier pyromancies like black flame and great combustion which shit on the entirety of ds2's magic system.
That's nice. It still doesn't count when the DaS2 chart explicitly leaves out magic entirely. The "weapon" part of the pyro glove is the L2 bonk which is definitely not "top tier", so it has no place in a weapon chart.

>>149561243
the things i would chage:
>move balder side to high tier
>move moonlight butterfly horn to top tier
>move furysword to top tier
>move hand axe to mid tier
>move pike a little higher as it's a relatively long spear that can hit like a fucking truck
>>149561806
>cb flip, turtling or demon spear only worked on shitters and casuals
stop posting any time

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>>149561806
>hornet GC
>flipkat
>only worked on shitters and casuals

>>149561243
Why the demon spear is asshole tier? It's a perfectly fine weapon.

>>149561903
>>cb flip, turtling or demon spear only worked on shitters and casuals
This is correct, shitter.
>fellating the demon spear
Lucifer, is that you?

>>149561902
>when the DaS2 chart explicitly leaves out magic entirely
it would be between mid tier and "you died" tier, nothing changes

>>149561991
>Lucifer, is that you?
No need to offend

If SoC kicks me one more goddamn time I'm gonna break his fucking legs.

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>>149560706
>You could do early Dancer and it would feel like suddenly going from NG+0 to NG+1.
For a reason. You're not meant to do that early.

>There's also absolutely zero lore reasons why some Lothric Knights are randomly stronger than others without having glowy eyes or some kind of "elite" (blue) outfit denoting their status

Yeah, but it's a videogame dude. I'd like if there was some more visual distinction, but that's what we're working with.

>Would it have killed them to at least make ALL of the knights in the castle have blue tabards and/or red eyes?
I think the higher tier knights are also able to buff their equipment.

>I'm never going to stop complaining about this because it's just a crystallization of the lack of real passion that went into the development of DaS3

Are you also going to complain about Demon's Souls being a cash grab because they had the same Blue Eyes Knights from the tutorial all the way up to 1-4 without even changing visually with a blue tabard ? Like, they have the Red Eyed Knights there, but the Blue Eyes Knights are the same ones that you fight in the first level of the game.

Honestly, I think what what could've probably done is give the Red Eyes Spear knights in High Wall a Winger Spear instead of the Long Spear, or some other slight visual differences, but I think you're blowing the issue out of proportion.

Like, the Black Knights you face at the Kiln aren't 1:1 the same knights you face in Undead Burg and the reason Dark Souls 1 is "better" about this is that you didn't notice it so much when they reused the same enemy but boosted it's stats.

>>149561991
Oh we have a pvp master here, i see.
Post some of your ds1 pvp videos, will you? I'm sure a hotshot like you have many of them. Particularly in dealing with good CB flippers.

>>149562073
The kick does like a whooping 50 damage and doesn't even stun you long enough for him to hit you with his weapon.

>>149562151
I know, it's just annoying me.

>>149562151
>literally the bane of no hit challenges, sl1 challenges and hypermode "challenges"

>>149561990
It's the longest, safest spear in the game that enables extremely safe and passive playstyle mostly countered only by other top tier weapons or fighting in the Burg where they can't just flip around endlessly.

>>149562303
Doesn't he only kick if you turtle with a shield or stay too close to him? When i keep my range and only raise my shield to block he almost never kicks

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Let's talk Level design again, /dsg/
Specifically, what would you like to see in the DLC?

>>149561530
Hopefully flail weapons.

>>149562352
That's what I thought too but I don't even use shields. I guess he gets nervous because I stand too close to him.

>>149562103
The difference is that Black Knights pre-kiln were minibosses, by the time you get to the kiln you'd expect them to feel more like regular enemies.

Lothric Knights are regular enemies from start to finish. Hell, one could argue that the greatsword ones in the castle feel more miniboss-ish, which makes player power progression over time feel backwards compared to DaS1.

Same goes for DeS. Blue eyed knights, and especially Red eyed knights, are a rarity early on and become commonplace later. The challenge progression in Boletarian Palace is also a much smoother curve, not "I climbed a ladder and the same enemy is now 5x stronger".

You also keep ignoring the fact that the regular-ass greataxe/halberd hollows are ALSO a lot stronger in the Castle, for no apparent reason, and these don't even come in red-eyed/elite variants. They just have inflated stats because muh endgame.
Remember how lazy it felt when you fought reskinned hollows in the Duke's Archives? This is even less effort than that because there's no reskin.

>>149562424
Rainy areas. Extraordinarily thick jungle environment.

>>149562335
So? It's a good, beautiful weapon. Nothing wrong with it.

I've always used it for anor londo invasions. Demon's Spear + Eagle Shield + Wolf Ring + DWGR were my set for the longest time.

>>149562324
>play the game in an unintended manner
>bitch about a non-issue attack because your self-imposed gimmick run suffers for it

Nigga just level up your vigor.

>Always liked doing a Guts build in each Souls game
>It's a meme now

haha!

>>149562612
It's always been a shitty meme, you faggot.

>>149562424
More vertical gimmicks like the moving pillars in Shulva or the main tower shaft in Brume Tower.

More gimmicks that encourage re-exploring an area in different states like in Eleum Loyce.

>>149561243
>butcher knife in low tier
GARBAGE image

>>149562424
I want to see ANY level that isn't "place gone to shit". Like nearly every level in souls games is a place that has had something bad happen to it, and is now in ruins full of hollows. The player is almost always the dude who has to clean up after a party. I want to be the fucking party.

So i want a castle or just any of the usual souls envoriments but this time they are doing just fine and we, the player, have to fuck them up. Also, living common enemies, not just hollows. Seriously, how many enemies are there in ds3 that are sentient and not insane?

Also, no more fucking ruined churches/cathedrals. There are like 14 of them in ds3 alone

>>149562461
>extraordinarily thick jungle envireonment

say goodbye to your frames

>>149562675
It was an utter shit in ds1 alongside all other axes with the exception of hand axe.

>>149562656
haha that just makes it even funnier

>>149562717
>he doesn't have 36 core quadruple xeons with eight gtx titan ultras and 512 gb of ram all cooled with liquid nitrogen

pleb

pleb

>>149562693
>I want to see ANY level that isn't "place gone to shit".
Nigga this isn't Demon's Souls, the entire WORLD has gone to shit in Dark Souls. Three games of lore now and you still think this is localized shit like Boletaria.

The only point even close to this was the Giant Memories in DaS2.

Time to git gud. Who needs a Gf anyways.

>>149562819
Yes, and i'm getting fucking tired of it. Ruined x is cool and all, but it gets pretty fucking stale after the 27th time, whether there is a muh lore reason for it or not. I really liked the giant memories conceptually, even if they sucked dick in practice.

How would you guys feel if the DLC was an extremely busy and bustling city in Catarina, and it served as the new hub for the DLC where we attempted to fight back the Abyss before it swallowed the region?

>>149562774
it's at least better than the goddamn golem axe and bonewheel shield like come on

>>149561243
Who the fuck made this, it's shit

>>149562458
Hollows wearing rags should be full of dark pus with red eyes
Firebomb hollows should throw black firebombs and have a chest plate
Hollow soldiers should be wearing a helmet and carry a slightly longer sword with a kite shield
Hollow crossbowmen should be using sniper crossbows
The Halberd hollows should be replaced with winged halberd knights
The Greataxe hollows should be replaced with winged double axe knights
All Lothric Knights with blue tabbards and red eyes.
The small assassin men should have claws instead of thral axes, and throw poison knives instead of darts.
Cathedral Knights should have slightly different armor and crystals growing on them.

>>149563065
>Cathedral Knights should have slightly different armor
They have blue tabards!

Why the fuck are they even there, what does Oceiros have to do with the Cathedral of the Deep?

What does Greirat look like if you pull off his mask? haha

>>149563010
Post your own.

>>149563129
Nothing. Upper lothric castle is just recycled enemies with buffed stats.

That's why I say different armor. I can forgive reusing the moveset if the enemy at least looks different. I mean, even Dark Souls 2 tried to mask a bit when they recicled the green giant knights into the drakekeepers.

>>149563204
>You're not allowed to critcize things unless you also make those things!

>>149561898
Yes but I was speaking from a finished min stat faith buff build with the implication that you could go higher on pure str.

Either way, the more you know

>>149563151
i dunno haha

Is the Black Knight Sword any good in DaS3? You'd think so because Perseverence, but I don't know if it can exploit it as well as Red Hilt Halberd or Caestus.

>>149563260
Nobody forces you to make an image. Just post your own list of top tier weapons.

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>>149562458
>This is even less effort than that because there's no reskin.
There are the blue tabard hollows. Also, they make sense because they're soldiers who are there to guard the keep. I didn't really question the fact that there were still regular soldiers in 1-4 and 1-3.

>Blue eyed knights are a rarity early on and become commonplace later
There are like at least 5 knights in the first level+ tutorial and 1-2 has even more.

Demon's Souls had :
Blue Eyed Knight (Spear)
Blue Eyed Knight (Sword)
Blue Eyed Knight (Greatsword)
Red Eyed Knight (Spear)
Red Eyed Knight (Greatsword)

DS3 had :
High Wall :
Lothric Knight (Sword and shield)
Lothric Knight (Spear and Shield)
Lothric Knight Red Eyes Blue Tabard (Sword and Shield).
Winger Knight (Halberd)

Lothric Castle had :
Lothric Knight (Sword and shield)
Lothric Knight (Spear and Shield)
Lothric Knight (Sword and Shield Red Eyes)
Lothric Knight (Ultra Greatsword Red Eyes)
Lothric Knight (Spear and Shield, Red Eyes, Blue Tabard)
Lothric Knight (Greatsword, Red Eyes, Blue Tabard)

Winger Knight (Duel Axes)
Winger Knight (Golden, Halberd, Miracles).

Dark Souls 3 had much more variety in their knight enemies in the designated castle zone.

>>149563297
It has less range than the Anri SS.
Any greatsword that isn't the Hollowslayer is not worth it.

>>149563204
>Can't call an egg rotten unless you also lay eggs

>>149563359
You forgot the golden winged knights and all the mobs before the princes. Most people don't fight them but they are actually different.

>>149563319
I'm not going to because I don't have one. But this image has obviously retarded choices

>>149563398
>food analogues
Ok, you're just a retard.

>>149563530
>egg
>food

who's the retard?

>>149561243
The top, asshole, and high tiers are about right, but beyond that there are some really odd choices here imo. velka's rapier, the war pick, and lucerne should be around mid tier, and shit like the dragonslayer greatbow, pierce shield, and four pronged plough should be low.

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>>149563473
>You forgot the golden winged knights

>>149563359
>Winger Knight (Golden, Halberd, Miracles).

>all the mobs before the princes.
I mentioned them, but my post was about the knights specifically.

>>149563568
everything edible is food

>>149563502
such as?

>>149563681
bullshit.

>>149563681
You can eat literally anything. Some things only once, though.

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>>149563681
>being this dense

>>149563681
Since when are eggs food?

>>149563756
that too, for you and >>149563761 >>149563769

>went 30-1 at pontiffs with carthus curved and estoc
I should just quit. This game has zero depth.

>>149563779
what the fuck is an egg? go back to tumblr pls

>>149563359
>Demon's Souls did dumb thing too so it's justified

Nostalgiafags, everyone.

>>149563681
Eggs aren't food, are you retarded? Is flour also food for you?

>>149563872
What are you even saying?

>>149563828
>tfw hated DaS2 PvE with a passion but feel tempted to go back for the PvP anyway
Help.

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>>149563872
love me an egg for breakfast

gwyndolin confuses my dick

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>>149562936
>it served as the new hub for the DLC
Doesn't make sense if you can only level up at Firelink and all the NPCs go there anyway.

>extremely busy and bustling city in Catarina
They can't do even a populated small village.
>in Catarina
It would be interesting to see how they tackle the issue that the character creator suggests that people from Catarina are black but 2/3rds of the NPCs from Catarina have been undeniably white.

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>today on /dsg/ discusses food and eggs

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>>149563863

>>149563828
>meet people with CCS and Estocs while pvping in the kiln
>they just eat all my attacks, trying to trade with the greatsword
>die in two baited R2

such is the life of shitters who rely on crutches

>>149561243
Is this chart old as fuck?
I'd replace flip tana with flip sks
drop mura and estoc to somewhere in high tier
greatsword and zwei just shouldn't be on the same tier period
longsword doesn't even compare to poisetank gold tracer no matter how you make your build

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>>149564034
if this isn't the only way you eat eggs then you're a fucking scrub

>>149564004
This is a fried egg. Fried eggs are food.
Eggs aren't food, they are ingredients.

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>>149563828
Yes, using the weapons that are extremely effective, brainlessly so, tends to make the game boring, because you'll usually win.

Try using a weapon not commonly seen or considered underpowered to shatter both your ego gained from easy wins and your perception in regards to the depth of the game.

Unless you're one of those types that believe gimping yourself for the purpose of overcoming challenges to better your personal skill is a "scrub mentality". If that's the case, get "it" through your head. "It" being a bullet.

I've got a question /ck/. If I eat some eggs with flour and use a ccs, does that make me a shitter?

>>149564075
Flip CB is arguably as strong as flip spears in capable hands, maybe even more. It's also one of a few direct flip spear counters as well as estoc turtling.
Kumo is ridiculously powerful and enables viable midroll builds, it should stay in top tier.

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>>149564012
God damn that majula would have been nice.

>>149564117
Hey guys, do you think the dragon transformation can lay aggs? what would you think if they added this abilty in the DLC.

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>>149563864
>Demon's Souls did dumb thing too so it's justified
I don't consider it a dumb thing. It's a cookie cutter castle environment that was shut off so that all the shit doesn't reach the castle, and the the only thing remaining in the castle are Hollows that used to guard the castle. It makes perfect logical sense to me.

Similarly in Demon's Souls it makes sense that a castle held by the king has regular soldiers in it. If any other zone just had the Boletarian soldiers hanging around, it would make less sense, but as it stands, the High Wall+Lothric Castle are a separate "Castle zone" inside of which the enemy placements are completely logical in my opinion.

>>149564143
fried eggs are food, raw eggs are uncooked food
>>149564149
>eggs and flour
what the fuck is this

>>149564220
>Hey guys, do you think the dragon transformation can lay aggs?

I know where you are going with this. Stop.

>>149564220
Dragon transformation will be able to lay eggs but only at SL387 and above

>>149564278
You don't want to lay Astora Great Great Swords?

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>>149564220
Away with thee, vile furry.

>>149564052
The only reasons great weapons work is either because your opponent is also using a slower weapon or because people with faster weapons never bother with actually learning to not get hit.
>>149564147
What actually bothers me is that it's not like the weapons I use are that hard to counter, but how everyone plays like a retard against them. There just aren't good players here besides very occasionally.
There's also no real point to playing to lose and then blaming your build or weapons of choice. Practicing how to counter as many things as possible is far more satisfying.

Would the game be better if certain infusions were limited to certain weapons? So some weapons can't be refined for example.

>>149563701
>"Please rape my ass" greathammers being anywhere but lower than low tier
>Arty's GSes lower than greathammers
>Velka's rapier and warpick in bad tier
>BKG in low tier while the bardiche is high
>BKGA in high
>Shotel on the same level as "just press r1 until opponent dies or you get parried lmao"

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>>149562461
>Rainy areas
Would be cool if they affected the effectiveness of fire and lightning weapons like in DS2.
A Shrine of Storms 2.0 would be extremely dank content.

>Extraordinarily thick jungle environment.
Uhh, THICC jungle.

>>149564416
I don't know man, there's something satisfying about beating people with great weapons.

>>149564501
It would be better if everything could be infused and buffed, regardless of everything.

>>149564217
Murakumo is easy to parry and is always outplayed by spear. It's good, but not top tier weapon.

blessed weapons should be considered physically infused and thus buffable

>>149564582
We're talking about DaS1 not 3

>>149564240
What isn't logical is climbing a ladder and facing the exact same enemy except massively stronger. They should've had Lothric Knights be rare Black-Knight-tier minibosses in High Wall and be weak mooks in the castle, with brand new tougher enemies in the mix.

>>149564501
It would mean even less variety.
Just increase the softcaps, make the scaling on sharp and heavy better and nerf quality scaling slightly.

>>149564627
I think they should remove strength/dex/int scaling and just automatically make it S scaling in faith.

same for simple, but S in int.

>>149564627
I agree to a degree with pedigree

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>>149564416
>What actually bothers me is that it's not like the weapons I use are that hard to counter, but how everyone plays like a retard against them.

I'll assume you're dueling at Pontiff's. It's a popular spot to go to for duels, and as such has a higher amount of people just trying to learn. There's no real quality filter to ensure that you'll fight people who know what they're doing.

>There's also no real point to playing to lose and then blaming your build or weapons of choice. Practicing how to counter as many things as possible is far more satisfying.

I never said you should play to lose, nor that you should blame your losses on your loadout. I said you should try using things that aren't as good to see if you as a player are good enough to win while being at a disadvantage. The fact that you jumped to the conclusion that this process of self betterment and learning is "playing to lose" speaks volumes.

>>149564501
That would literally eliminate the entire point of Heavy/Sharp infusions. They exist so you could have a Strength Katana, not make a Dex Katana Dex-ier.

>>149564664
Sharp is already good. Heavy needs a buff, sharp not.

>>149564627
Blessed and Simple weapons should not lose scaling or base damage. They should stay exactly the same, but with the effects.

>>149564546
>I don't know man, there's something satisfying about beating people with great weapons.
It's easy against players who are new or don't know how to play against it so you just threeshot them.
And it's pretty much impossible against someone good with fast weapon.
>>149564637
I'm talking about DaS1. Since most mura players go for the R1 R1 stunlock you can usually setup parry or even reaction parry if they play predictably. And what would a mura player do against heater shield + sks for example? Get counterhit each time they start attacking pretty much, that's what.

>>149564582
Running attack of ds1's kumo is impossible to parry.
It deadagles like a last motherfucker as well.
And running attack is so good they can catch spear users on r1.

>>149564759
>self imposed handicap
>process of self betterment and learning

lul

That's like saying that you should play Zangief to get better at Nash

>>149564789
Some weapons shouldn't be sharp or heavy though. Kind of like in DeS, you couldn't make a sharp greataxe. A heavy katana makes sense tho, since katanas never really seemed like a pure dex kind of weapon to me due to their size and chopiness.

>>149564809
I don't know I wasn't into PvP back in DaS1 because my internet was shit.

Well the Kumo is still shit against spears, maybe worse.

>>149564540
if only cruzifixion woods would actually be this dark

>>149564896
It's a video game.
Hell, why wouldn't you make a sharp greataxe? It has a blade, you can sharpen it.

>>149564973
But it kills variation. If you're playing a dex build, the kind of weapons you have access to should feel different to a strength build, otherwise both would feel identical, just you're pumping one stat over another.

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>Get summoned
>Host beats me without taking a single hit from me
>Get summoned by him again
>Turn off PC out of embarrassment

did anyone else do anything similar once?

>go to halfway fortress
>embered and fingered
>wait until every invader spawns and finds me while I dodge the initial ones
>flee down ladder
>start a race all the way to AW boss fight
>warp out and do it again

Sometimes I'm glad From was so stupid with roll buffs.

>>149564759
I don't play to be able to boast my ego with "haha you lost even though I'm using worse weapons", I'm playing to defeat as many players as possible and find fast playstyles the most fun.
>>149564857
You can just block it or roll backwards. And spears have the blocking attack. You don't get deadangled if you just stay directly in front of them and they can't backstab you either as long as you keep your distance, which is no problem with the longest weapon in the game.

>>149565068
Not really, sometimes I just start invading a different area if it I consistently only invade one person and I'm not having fun.
>>149565048
The thing is that even if a dex build wanted to use something like a great axe, they would still need to pump a lot of strength to meet the minimum requirement of holding the weapon. So very few people would actually do it, but it would make a few people happy.

>>149565068
No. When this happens I applause the person and drop a "very good", challenging him to a rematch.

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>>149564882
That analogy doesn't work because Street Fighter is significantly better balanced than Dark Souls PvP, as redundant characters don't exist, whereas in Dark Souls you can choose to use the best weapon in a given category, or one of many sub-optimal versions of the same moveset with minor variations, if any.

You should stop comparing Dark Souls PvP to more focused games, as Dark Souls is NOT strictly balanced around it's PvP.

And yes, using something non-optimal and still performing well DOES mean that you're the better player.

>>149565048
What kills variation is the lack of good strength weapons in DaS3. The fact that Heavy Infusion is also dogshit just amplifies the issue, and removing it from arbitrary weapons would make it even worse.

>>149565096
>You can just block it or roll backwards
And he can be a passive ass as well. It will be a war of attrition where he will always have a damage, poise damage and defense advantage on top of one of the best running attacks in a game.
Also nobody uses shield pokes with spears in ds1, they do shit damage and running kumo attack can deadangle as well.

>>149564896
Sharpening any slash weapon makes sense. I don't even get why sharp is the dex infusion since it'd make any slashing weapons more effective in general.
Also, kats are the most iconic dex weapons along with daggers

Anyone up for champ gundyr at level 20, +2? I'm on PC, waiting by the area bonfire. Pass is dsg

>>149565250
It still works to illustrate that there's no point in doing these self-imposed handicaps to prove a meaningless point to literally no one but yourself. If you're already using a good weapon you might as well work to master it; using a shitty weapon only opens the door to excuses like "well he only won because I'm using a greatsword".

>>149565224
I feel like most people automatically interpret applause as an insult

>>149565253
I'll never understand why it was so hard to toggle out of the Kumo.

>>149565262
Am I helping someone nake a hornet twink if I go?

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>>149565096
>I don't play to be able to boast my ego with "haha you lost even though I'm using worse weapons", I'm playing to defeat as many players as possible and find fast playstyles the most fun.

And that's fine and dandy. I'm not telling you how to have fun, I'm telling you that if your goal is to rake in fast and easy wins, you shouldn't complain about your wins being fast and easy.

>went 30-1 at pontiffs with carthus curved and estoc
>I should just quit. This game has zero depth.

>>149565350
What?! Why? It looks so genuine

oh god...

I didn't know

>>149565383
One hit of kumo deals an immense fuckton of damage already as that thing reaches 600 AR on crystal upgrade path.

>>149565402
You would contribute to making a low level helper/darmoon blade

>>149565383
Because toggling is a glitch and isn't meant to be easy or intuitive.

>>149565460
It looks very smug

>>149565469
It was really easy to toggle out of zwei tho. Using a zwei was asking to be toggle parried, main reason I never lost to a giantdad.

>>149565350
Because it is, only genuine applauses I ever saw were when people were playing around with dressing or using obviously useless shit like storm ruler WA

>>149562471
well, that makes you an asshole

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>buffs with gmb and resonant weapon on gyrm greataxe
>runs and hides to heal
>kill him the second time he tries to run and heal from downtown with a throwing
knife
i love this game so much

>>149565350
>>149565460
Regular applause for genuine
Spinning applause for insult

>>149565510
>>149565549
Even if I drop a "Very Good" with it? How else I'm supposed to compliment people

Can we get dk2 pvp on dk3 plz? but without the lag stabs Is it possible? Is dk3 broken beyond fixing?

>>149565510
>get parried and riposte
>applause
>opponent boss
>I run off arena cliff
Only time I ever used applause non sarcastically

>>149565538
i always dead angled toggle parry attempts with the zwei

Doing Lothric Castle > Grand Archives (only up until the NPC trio) > Consumed King's Garden > Untended Graves and then the rest won't mess up my End of Fire ending, right? I want to get the sets for fashion ASAP.

>>149565687
are you implying people who used giantdads do anything but spam R1 forward? You're the exception.

>>149565631
Bow or just drop a carving

>>149565651
>opponent boss
Bows*

>>149565631
Jump for joy or whatever. It's not your fault From took all the truly insulting gestures.

>>149565612
I don't get what's going through these people's heads when they send fanmail.

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>>149565349
>It still works to illustrate that there's no point in doing these self-imposed handicaps to prove a meaningless point to literally no one but yourself.

If you haven't noticed the PvP in the series has always been rather pointless. Thus, the point becomes doing what you consider fun. What I consider fun is fighting uphill to prove that I can, for no other reason than that I think that is fun.

I bring up this playstyle because the original poster was complaining about his wins being too easy, so I proposed an alternate playstyle that he might consider more fun.

If you're already using a good weapon you might as well work to master it; using a shitty weapon only opens the door to excuses like "well he only won because I'm using a greatsword".

You should use whatever you want. I understand that people like to excuse every loss on their loadout, but that does not mean I do, or that most people using subpar weapons do. Mastery with a weapon that is considered bad or inferior when compared to its peers is, in my humble opinion, worth more than mastery with the best weapon of the class.

Ultimately that is my opinion, however.

>>149565068
No, because who cares. Also, some weap. are badly matched if you don't have much experience with them.

>>149565402
this is the reason I only help twinks with the dancer.
if you can't beat champ and oceiros on your own you're probably gonna gank.

>>149565747
most giant dads are bad yeah, but my fav weapon was zwei, i had 80 poise midroll quality

P-pc f-fc b-b-bf p-p-please????

>>149565857
C'mon Oceiros is bullshit as fuck. His hitboxes doesn't make any sense and most people cheese him in the branches.

>>149565825
Meant to greentext that fourth line, whoops.

>>149565262
Pretty please? I'm trying to get the scholar ring so I'd have the stats for blessed weapon, ultimate white knight style

>washing pole and passive play
How the fuck do I even play against this

>>149565983
turtle until they get mad

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>>149565767
me neither
i havent played since may and came back to iron keep bridge last night and slaughtering every invader, it just keeps happening

>>149565983
Estoc turtling.
It counters every other top tier weapon in the game.

>>149565968
>archives
Gotta kill all the Lords barring gay princes first

>>149565945
>hug his nutsack
>all of his hitboxes hit over/behind you harmlessly

???
Literally Sif 3.0

>>149565945
nope, sorry. oceiros without the cheese is just let him go crazy against the wall and roll the tail spin

>>149566095
>charge move that has 0 startup and turns his entire body into a hitbox

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>>149565983
Pick up a medium shield, just about any of them will do, and a spear that can poke from behind it. Leo ring optional, but it helps.

Every time they swoop in, poke them. If they wise up to this and play even more passively than they already are, go on the offensive. If they cycle back into running pokes, go back to poking them right back.

If they switch weapons entirely, mission accomplished. Hope this helps.

>>149566193
>>149566083
>>149566067
You guys are saints
Thanks

>>149566083
Except carthus.

>>149564539
>>"Please rape my ass" greathammers being anywhere but lower than low tier
godlike rolling attacks if you know how to aim
>>Arty's GSes lower than greathammers
retarded requirements. the OG is only good for 387 memers, the others are ok. abyss is a straight upgrade to cursesword
>>Velka's rapier and warpick in bad tier
velka's rapier has a fancy moveset but will get you reaction parried in pvp. warpick has low poise damage and no reach while relying on counterhits to do damage
>>BKG in low tier while the bardiche is high
haven't used those, can't tell
>>BKGA in high
>fast, wide attack greathammer with immense poise damage is good
no shit
>>Shotel on the same level as "just press r1 until opponent dies or you get parried lmao"
have you heard of deadangling?

>>149565253
You just keep out of their distance until you can poke them to death. You don't need high damage to win if you can land strikes while they can land none.

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>>149558097
My point is that this masquerade of calling the game utter shit because a few details bother you has been going on for years.

I was around for Dark Souls 1 release, and man the shit the game got for just merely existing, you wouldn't believe. I was just happy to play another soul game, and a mighty good one as that, while you guys were busy literally vomiting your hate on it.

Of course the PvP was terribly unbalanced for a year after release, a lot of bosses were reused and weakly designed, later area were unfinished, but it was like From took a shit directly in their mouth for whatever reason and blinding them to the amazing quality of the game.

Anyway, the show has been repeated with DS3, Bloodborne and DS3. So what you disagree with From decision to not make the knight in Lothric Castle has red eyes. Ok, whatever. Does this blind you to its qualities?

>>149561672
and the smelter helmet and santier's spear while they're at it

>>149566403
>BKGA
>fast
>greathammer
???
Using it or any greathammer is asking to be parried or backstabbed. Unless you just spam GH rolling attack.

>>149566526
It's a war of attrition and you're really wrong if you can force a good mid kumo to just attack you blindly.

>>149565408
Maybe it just looks that way, but no one seems to have an idea on how to counter that besides spamming parry and then eating a shitton of damage because it's so easy to read.
It's more about the game having no depth because players can't into any good ideas.

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So /dsg/, how do we fix axes?

What do you believe to be their weakest trait?
How do you think axes are most effectively used in PvP?
By extension, how could the unique moveset provided by the Warcry weapon art be improved, if at all?

>>149566095
You never fought him without a shield, did you? His charge hits everywhere around, under and over him. The only safe place when the carges is behind a shield or a giant branch.

It's possible to beat defensive players with great weapons? How do I beat estoc turtles who just wait for me to attack to poke me twice?

>>149566629
You don't even need them to attack blindly, you can just bait them into attacking and then chip away at them. Once you feel like they'll try a parry you can punish that with a backstab.
It's much harder to play against it if you don't have the poise to tank a single hit, but since the weapon is so heavy most mura players are in higher level range where you can more easily make tanky builds.

>>149566901
Outrange them.

FUGS r2 does me well.

I don't know how to counter this if they're using longer spears, like LKLS or DSS

>>149564539
>"Please rape my ass" greathammers being anywhere but lower than low tier
They are a BS fishing tools and very powerful ones.
>Arty's GSes lower than greathammers
As it should be. All of them are shit with the exception of abyss gs.
>Velka's rapier and warpick in bad tier
Yeah, they should be in "you died" tier.
>BKG in low tier while the bardiche is high
Black knight halberd weights 3 times more than a Scythe AND deals less damage.
>BKGA in high
It's the only actually good greataxe in the game that has a right to be in high tier thanks to crit damage alone.
>Shotel on the same level as "just press r1 until opponent dies or you get parried lmao"
As it should be. It's the best shield-piercing weapon in the entire series.

>>149566629
Even going 30-1 is a tiny vertical slice of the total people dueling. And again, there are many people at Pontiff's seeking to get better and to learn. Thus, you'll run into a lot of people who don't have any idea how to effectively shut out certain weapons and tactics. That doesn't mean that they don't have counters.

>>149566968
was to>>149566618

>>149566901
You wait until they fuck up or get lucky with parrying yourself but besides that, no. That sort of play counters greatweapons.

>>149566652
slower than straight swords
heavier than straight swords
deal about as much damage as straight swords
less DPS than straight swords
worse moveset than straight swords
less range than straight swords
warcry is inferior to stance
warcry r2s are too slow to be useful even with hyper armor

axes are inferior straight swords, and the disadvantages massively outweight the advantages, i don't think they can ever be fixed and the only reason to use them is style points/dragonslayer axe burst damage/slight shield pierce for str builds with the snek shotel

>>149566972
>FUGS r2 does me well.
Of course it does FUGS is long as fuck.

I'm using Lorian's UGS

>>149566901
Get a GS and a GFS then keep circling around trying to hit confirm.
Use a dark/deep Carthus shotel to try and chip them.

You can't truly counter them with great weapons, but could try at least doing chip damage if you run an elemental one.

>>149567056
>many people at Pontiff's seeking to get better and to learn
As opposed to locations such as?

>>149566968
>bait them into attacking
Do you always assume that your opponent is a fucking retard?
> they'll try a parry
No good player in DS1 relies on parrying ever.

>>149566652
needs actual rolling attacks.
All axes need the hand axe r1s
Needs actual r2s outside of Wa but it's ok because WA fixes this problem

>>149566610
yeah greataxe, my bad. it's a really fast greataxe. gh are for rolling attacks adn critical fishing only, but that doesn't make them ineffective, just slightly bland in actual pvp

>>149566652
You want to know what is worse? The Demon's GA.

R1? overhead attack
R2? overhead attack
rolling R1? overhead attack
running R1? overhead attack
WA? you guessed it. overhead attack.

Like, seriosly?

>>149567353
that's like every greataxe in 3 minus the BKGA and warcry R2s

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>>149566552
This. It's amazing that the series managed to get popular in the era of casualpandering games, and actually has imo contributed to revival of actual video games.

>>149567204
There are none, and I'm not saying that your location is a problem. I'm saying that Pontiff's is THE spot to go for dueling, and as such there are many many people there at all skill levels. That, and a good portion of people playing aren't experts. Ergo, curious beginners make up a larger portion of duelists than experts. Hence why many people you fought didn't know what they were doing, at least not against the CCS or the Estoc.

>>149567353
Literally all GA except Black Knight are like this.

>>149567224
>Do you always assume that your opponent is a fucking retard?
Not really, but what else would you think they're gonna try when they're nowhere close enough to backstab you? Besides, it's easy to fool even experienced players by first playing in style that looks like retard spamming R1 and then stopping that the moment it looks like they get a read on you.
>No good player in DS1 relies on parrying ever.
You're never supposed to rely on parrying, you're supposed to punish predictable play with them.

>>149567340
i'd add that the large club has a very useful 1HR2

>>149567461
The real difference is that Dark Souls 1 doesn't have this problem. People PvPing are often much closer to the skill ceiling there.

>>149567571
I like it a lot too but against anyone with a brain you'll get parried harder than the barbarians that drop it

can someone post a list of all areas and their respective levels you need to invade?

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now this is getting 2d4m

>>149567748
check OP

>>149566901
The weakness of defensive play is that you're not on your opponent's ass to prevent them from, say, healing. And that weakness is absent in (most) duels, hence why defensive play is so strongly favored, and there's not too much you can do about it besides out-doing them at their own game. If you want fights where taking the initiative is beneficial, invade.

However, I don't think I need to tell you that invading can be a chore in DaS3.

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>get invaded by a chaos blade user in full artorias set
>block all his running attacks with the shield of want
>do jump attacks against all his parries
>he runs off into mobs and black crystals

>>149567736
i dunno, i had an easy time dead-angling parry attempts, especially when they aren't expecting the backswing to my left

i realize that this doesn't make the weapon class any better but the large club is still probably the best GH if you aren't gona pure backstab fish

Does anyone know what happens if you end up dying before reaching the first bonfire at Archdragon Peak, the one before Ancient Wyvern. Like, do you respawn back in Irithyll Dungeon, and can you return there.?

>>149567932
You spawn back in the same spot where you first appeared after the warp cutscene.

>>149567932
You return at the spot you are transported to.

>>149567439
>>149567484
Isn't it even worse then? What kind of argument is this?

>>149567932
You respawn at the beginning of the area iirc

>>149567647
And that's because Dark Souls 1 has been out for a lot longer, and is currently not the most recent game.

New blood in Dark Souls 1 is rare, as the majority of people who are still playing it are experienced duelists who've been so for a while now. Naturally, you won't be able to use one tactic to faceroll everyone there, as you'll probably get countered.

>>149568028
>implying anyone is trying to argue that greataxes in ds3 are good
i'm saying that the problem isn't limited to just the demon greataxe, it applies to the entire weapon class

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Help me to figure out a nice fashion with any greatshield.

Can I go online by using tunngle in DaS1?
I have reasons not to use steam.

>>149568527
no you dont.

>>149568527
Are those reasons the fact that it's pirated?

>>149568713
Yes. I'm actually poor at the meantime.

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tfw you are the guy who deals 1500 dmg sunlight spears and this guy summons you

also cosplaying as sunspear ocelot

>>149568798
If you can afford internet, you can afford ds1. It's 5 bucks most of the time

>>149568798

u wot m8

DaS I is on sale for €5 like literally every Steam sale

>>149567748
High Wall - just don't, it's ganks everywhere
Settlement - 10, 15, max 20. Go full shitter everyone has summons here but it isn't as bad as High Wall
Crabland - 20, 25. Great place to invade, purples and dogs pop all the time to help you and a lot of fights turn into a mess. From time to time a blue will spawn and instantly die to a mob. Fun as fuck.
Swamp - Don't
Cathedral Exterior - 30, lot of ganks and FCs. But can be fun, lots of bullshit mobs to hide behind.
Cathedral Interior - Terrible spawn spots, don't bother.
Carthus Catacombs - 30-35. Great place to invade, but almost no one is embered here for some reason. Even when ganked, you can manage if you have a long range weapon.
Smoltering Lake - Don't bother
Demon Ruins -The host usually die on its own. Great for farming tongues/vertebras
Pre Sully Irythill - It's a corridor with bullshit mobs. It's a terrible place to invade because those who aren't dead either skipped the whole thing or are behind 3 phantoms.
After Sully Irythill - 40-120. Great place to invade for the same reason the crabland is. Very chaotic, blues pop all the time.
Dungeons - 35-50. Cheap invasions, easy wins even if ganked, but if the host seeds you're fucked. The main problem here is that this is a very easy area do skip, and a very short one.
Profaned Capital - Don't bother, people will just run to the foggate
Archdragon Peak - 40-120. Great place to invade, mobs are strong and players are experienced enough to try to fight back. If the snakelady summons Havel you won. I've seen Havel solo a whole ganksquad alone.
Upper Lothric Castle - Shitter and hackers land. Don't bother unless you have a backup save.
Archives - 50-70 - Fun place to invade, but be prepared for ganks. Learn the layout of the place before trying invading here and bring the cat ring. Also DO NOT USE THE ELEVATOR
Kiln - 60-90 - It's blue farming area. Invade here if you want to fight blues.

Dragonslayer Armor with three phantoms summoned is the hardest souls boss.

Fact.

>>149568805
>chime
>for spears

>>149569201
You don't need that HA when PvEing, especially against bosses

>>149568883
This internet isn't mine. My pseudo-job only pays me with food, internet and lodging.

>>149569134
You can literally stunlock him.

>>149569252
I like to have it just in case, and it makes things easier. Maybe I'm just a scrub though. Does yorshkas do the most damage?

>>149568984
>Crabland - 20, 25. Great place to invade
Too wide open and the invasion zone is shared with the swamp. It's impossible to find the host.

>>149569201
dude doesn't have estus, he'll be throwing spears all day

>>149569201
So what should i use instead, i mean, for pve since this character is mainly for that.

>>149568984
thanks, i guess i go for a greatbow build+white branches then, since im just there to annoy people

>>149569390
Ignore the retard, chimes are infinitely superior to talismans in PvE.

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>>149568481
Cmon, turtles.

>>149569568
I've done some testing before, chimes were always better than talismans for me