/domg/ - Dominions General

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First for always buy at least 1 PD

Second for Ulm did nothing wrong

3rd for Staling_IRL when?

>>149323541
Check your e-mail.

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Post ichtyids.

>>149323793
>Summod .66 required
>Summod .65b is the latest version available on his github

Either I've fucked up, or this game is from the future.

>>149324278
0.66 is just what I renamed the hotfix to. It should be identical to 0.65b aside from the name, but you can also download it from here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B51DS6LWagFTRjl3ekp1MkNKc3M/view

>>149324391
Well let me rename it then, thanks for the rapid response.

>>149324634
And now I'm getting a "sprnbr too high for this file" error while attempting to recruit units.

I have neutral luck scales, why is this happening to me?

>>149324910
>"sprnbr too high for this file"
The fuck? Literally never seen that before. Just download the one I linked further up and see if that helps.

>>149325018
I did. I renamed the file at first, got the error, assumed I fucked up, downloaded your version, and still had the error.

>>149325085
What nation are you?

>>149325139
Xib.

>>149325287
Okay. It looks like sum1 fucked up your units completely when he tried to nerf the lance bats. Let me see if I can find and fix the mistake.

>>149325469
Welp. At least it isn't entirely my fault for once. Thanks for the assist.

All right, it looks like he just straight up didn't finish the Xibalba changes before pushing the mod. I can see what he wanted to do with the StR nerfs that he wanted to apply to some of the commanders, but he made commander IDs for them and told the nation to recruit them in caves/forests and then never actually made the unit that the tag is supposed to point to.

I could prrrobably actually fix this, but we need to restart the game regardless to use a different version of the mod. I would prefer it if you could change your nation instead to make my life easier, since I'm really not confident in nation modding.

Can someone tell me how to lose the game? I'm really good and I can't lose. Need help

>>149326168
10:46 PM - Lambert_S: Send a message to the thread, I can fix it but can't upload it for another 10 hours
10:47 PM - Lambert_S: I can read but not post

>>149326168
Okay, I fixed it. I'm going to confirm that it works in caves, then change the mod that the game's going to use.

>>149326687
ty mr lambert, but I got it

>>149326759
ahahahaha ok so it currently has both the StR and the vanilla cave commanders. I'm going to need to make another change or two and then it should be set.

Is the staleness of our memes positively correlated with the deadness of our general?

>>149327038

yes. let's start a dom4 call o fduty clan

>>149327093
>69LevelWANPwns

>>149326956
Okay, congrats Xibalba you get to recruit commanders every turn, because removing the original cave and forest recruit commanders is harder than removing the new ones.

>>149327346
Nevermind, it's not hard at all. Back to StR they go. Let's see if this breaks everything.

>>149328005
Okay, the ruins the fort commanders too. Nvm.

>>149327038
/domg/ has pretty good memes and a very comfy general, desu

>>149328249
Comfys itself to death sometimes

Okay. Here is the latest summod with a Xibalba that doesn't crash when it tries to recruit units -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B51DS6LWagFTWDcwbnN5RVBqUEU/view

Note that this reverts the commander nerfs (which were never applied, technically, since the old commanders were still recruitable anyways) so some intended balance changes are not in effect.

I'm going to wait an hour to make sure that the game server has a chance to download the latest version of the mod before we start again.

>>149328408
Oh, and because I'm an idiot, I realized how to actually make those changes after uploading the new mod to llamaserver and sending out the message. We'll go ahead and use it for now anyways, and everyone is encouraged to kill bats.

>>149326651
Play multiplayer

Hinnom has informed me he will be away for most of the weekend.

I've extended the current turn until late Sunday at his request.

>>149328408
>I'm going to wait an hour to make sure that the game server has a chance to download the latest version of the mod before we start again.
Got impatient. We're starting now. Cross your fingers and pray to Llama.

>>149330268
Game appears to be running. If you find yet another gamebreaking error, please let me know.

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Well, you can't say I didn't warn him.

My offer still stands, Mictlan, even though you thoroughly ignored me before.

>>149333168
>no dead dragon

Round 2 inc.

>>149334061
Where did it retreat to, friend?

>>149334061

It didn't have anywhere to retreat.

Trust me, I tested this 50 times and got a 90% success rate, the dragon is dead.

>>149334148
How should I know, I'm not the guy who sent it.

>>149333168
Show me the battle

It'd be nice if the game had a sort of "journal" system, where I can leave marks and notes on the map. It's hard to remember what I was planning to do in a particular game after 2 turn extensions while playing 4-5 games.

Is it doable with mods? Should I mail Illfraud about it?

>>149335348

Why would I go and do that?

If Mictlan feels vindictive enough and doesn't accept my generous offer, he can go ahead and show it, but I think I'll keep what I did a secret for the time being, just in case any other of the myriad of people who want me dead have decided to do something about me this early on. Knowledge is power after all.

>>149335650
>I think I'll keep what I did a secret for the time being
Bumrushed him and dealt enough damage to scare him off.

It's not like there's anything else you can do this early on unless you got really lucky with a random item event.

Mictlan should have been more patient, gotten himself a proper pretender, and rushed you the old-fashioned way instead of LMAO onedragon. Xib can pull that shit off because he can ferry in flying reinforcements. Mict can't.

>>149335870

In my testing, I killed the dragon as often as I scared him off, if you really want to know. Really, it doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

>>149336095
I'm just curious why you're acting like there's some kind of secret trick to it.

>>149336215

Because I tested different things and got worse results than what I did with I ended up doing? The rest is up to your imagination ;^)

>>149336271
Eh, be that way. It's not like it isn't obvious.

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When_You_Stale_IRL pretenders.

Not a bad batch.

>>149336512
I just and I mean JUST NOW got a proper fix for Xibalba onto git.

It's too late for this game, but I successfully figured out nation modding and the one dumb git error I made that had been making it appear as a whole new thing instead of an edited version of the existing .dm

Praise me.

>>149336626
>It's too late for this game
It uses >>149328408.

>>149336686
I know. I made that version too. That version just removed the bugged xibalba changes so that its foreign rec commanders are the same in vanilla. The version that I just committed actually makes the StR changes successfully.

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Play them

ded

Why is this place so empty on a Saturday? Don't tell me you all have lives or something.

>>149340859
It's the dead of night in the US

>>149333168
good job bats!

what's the wound status of that overgrown flying frog?

>>149342331

Thanks, nice to have some support in what seems like a world out to get me. Also, that dragon got really lucky to not get any wounds, in my successful test runs he usually got 1 or 2.

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I fucking hate video games

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Post pretenders that wouldn't have died to those bats

>>149344282
>E9 bless on mictlan
>still bad scales for memegame

this is also how you lose.

>>149344385
It's obviously not a pretender that will win the game, no.

A pretender like that would actually require Mictlan doing that thing where they don't spread their scales constantly, and hope to keep just enough blood sac ability on hand to not get dom killed while keeping most of their provinces cancer free.

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deep inside you know he's right.

>>149344467
So called "traitor" detected.

Once I'm done taking up indies I'll be personally funding the war against giants.

>>149344467
He was invited in the game to die to elves, he is the joke.

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>>149344282
If you're going to go all out with a 'lmao fuck Xibabla, time to rush their cap' strat, at least do it properly.

>>149344680
>Not having awe
>Having a W9 bless but death scales

>>149344680
Your pretender is worse in every way except for its major bless

>>149344680
Note that he's still got the bonuses (and bless) from Erf 9 and Death 6, they're just reduced for spellcasting because dragon.

>>149344743
Note that he's still got the lack of awe (and reduced domspread) from Dom 5

When you intend on sitting your pretender on the enemy cap, your dominion must be 9+

>>149344467
Deep inside I know it takes some amount of autism to play Dominions to begin with, but a far greater amount of autism to join a Dominions game just so you can shitpost without wordfilters.

>>149336512
Huh.

That's not the pretender I uploaded.

Fuck it, we've had more than enough delays due to me. Gonna play on through.

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memes

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>>149347289
>have graphs to show

>>149347289
>>149349063

Aah, I remember that. That was a fun game.

Still looking for players:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForAFistfulOfDeathgems

>>149350552
any memes

>>149350702

Feel free to bring your own.

>>149350552

Please make the throne points victory requirement at at least 50%.

>>149351104

Honestly don't think it's likely to be a major issue on a map this big, but I'll bump it up to 22 if it's gonna be a sticking point.

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>mfw people say play turns

Admin, are you here?
I'm having a busy time and would really need at least 12 hours more.

Please read this.

Thanks a lot <3

>Only two turns due in the next 12 hours
>Can relax atop a Spanish mountain in a pool
The lack of cute enslaved pangaeas is all that stands between me and Ermor.

S u b f o r B O G A R U S n e e d e d

>>149356556
Did he get traumatised by Pan so hard he stopped playing?

>>149356596
He literally couldnt beat AI Pan.
I mean, he literally stormed AI Pan twice, one of them he killed everything but the statue god and routed, then ,lost the control of Pan's cap because he didn't put any unit to siege (kek). The other one he didn't even nail the regular summons that were there.

I think he is traveling to Russia to redeem himself from that, or something like that.

>>149357173
To be fair, statue pretenders are a bitch and a half to deal with. You're better off just putting a token force on their cap to keep it locked down and then surround it with temples.

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>>149357343
They are indeed

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Tell me a story /domg/.

>>149361790
I won a game once. It was awful.

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>>149361919

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Bump and further recruitment hassling.

Join today!
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForAFistfulOfDeathgems

>>149366551
When did Frodo become a cute girl?

>>149366551
Which nation should I pick if I want to be Blondie?

>>149367910

In MA? Probably Marignon.

Good ranged shit, don't like demons or the undead, some sneaky stuff, filmed in southern Europe.

>>149369070
Serbian Film?

>>149369070
Speaking of Marignon, DO YOUR TURN, whoever you are marignon player!

>>149369590
I wasn't aware there was only one game with Marignon in it

>>149369724
TOO ALL MARIGNON PLAYERS OUT THERE! DO YOUR TURNS!

>>149369469

?

Fistful of Dollars was mostly filmed in southern Italy and Spain.

>>149370403
Close enough

>>149370013
IRL Marignon, you're staling worse than Ulm now.

>>149370403
Mari is spainfrance.

>>149369070
Mari seems too good and inspired for Blondie, who's as true neutral as they come. Too bad there's no North American nation.

>>149370915

There's Atlantis?

>>149371118
Only in LA.

>>149370915
>true neutral
Play Ulm and pretend to be Switzerland.

How many games are you in, /domg/? Are you winning any of them?

>>149371791
2
Definitely not in 1, too early to tell in another

>>149371791
I'm in 7 games.

Too early to tell for 4 of them, losing almost certainly in 2 of them, and have a good chance at winning in the last one.

>>149371791
2
Yes and maybe.

>>149357343
>Horror Mark

>>149371791
4. i am defintiely winning in one of them and i am first in #provinces in another, but i feel like i am going to get gangbanged soon especially after having discovered my neighbours had 0 pd on every province

>>149371791
Heh. Such audacity. To ask me, the mighty Rejakor, if I'm not playing ALL the games of Dom4 that are currently running. That's right, fool, I'm in all games on llamaserver, 5 blitzes, and 1 Innuit Dom4 community game at the same time.

I'm going to win most of them, of course, except the newbie games. I'm magnanimous enough to let new players win, but not before I tell them about all strategic and tactical mistakes they made.

>>149372953
Shut up, Malakal.

>>149371791

At the moment, none. Finally getting back in a state I can dedicate the time to playing, having been fucked over by work for much of the past year.

It's why I'm wanting to get Fistful started soon.

Non-player here - Can any of you fambalantas hit me up with the descriptions for all dominion characteristics (luck, order, etc.) and what a lack thereof means?

>>149373737
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Scales

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>>149374057

Thanks

>>149371791
2. I'm not winning one, but I've spent 25 turns since I lost my cap forcing my opponent to hint down my stealthy raiders through my vengeful water dominion.


The other it's not clear.

>>149371791
5. One of them is a memegame, so everyone loses. Winning one of the rest.

Now I took some of my time to actually read about changes summod brings in. And I can clearly state that it's awful. Beyond awful.
The main 'achievement' of this mod is the simplification of the game to the point that even the most clueless player can blindly find a simple but effective strategy to carry him through the game and he can do it almost effortlessly. For example you can mass produce OP, low-level, cheap items, give them to your cheaper leaders and they can perform good. And scrubs happy about it, they probably think: "Wow, NOW with that buffs I can take on Maerlande or Lambert without embracing myself", or something like that. But in reality the game becomes INCREDIBLY easier to play the more skilled you are. In the vanila you can perform bad due to huge blow from random events, cruitical mistake or from ill will of the neighbours, but with summod all you need to be OK is to SPEND GEMS. No matter what you are doing with them you'll be OK, since a lot of items and summons are dirt cheap now and OP.

Well, basically this mod is a huge mistake. I kinda respect the guys who created it, but they performed the task really poorly. It's not a balance mod, it's a mod to simlify the game, making it less challenging and less worthy of putting efforts into it. Mod which makes the game boring, or more boring.
By trying to cater to scrubs who doesn't have proper grasp on the game, experienced players like sum1won, Lamert S, Ohlman and others just created something mediocre which is not worth learning and adjusting your sense of game to.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The only real problem with the balance in the game is MA Ermor being invulnerable in 1 on 1 fight. But the proper diplomacy may bring it down and in general I don't think that it's wrong to have 1 really OP nation if everyone is aware about the fact that it's OP so they can act accordingly.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.

>>149375451
Here's your (you)

>>149375451
>Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.
>MA Ermor being invulnerable in 1 on 1 fight.

I appreciate your efforts in keeping the thread bumped through verbose bait.

>>149375451
Wondered if you were serious or not until the end, laffed when you singled out MA Ermor as OP.

Some of the weakest nations in MA, like Mari, whoop Ermor's ass. Any blood nation stomps all over them with zero effort. Getting lots of spammy chaff /=/ OP and it's bizarre that people legitimately think that more awful chaff = INVINCIBILE

>>149375451
I'd rather fight MA Ermor 1v1 than EA Xibalba 1v1 desu.
It is sort of silly that you'd rather have a bunch of spells removed from the game (cause they're literally never used) than alter them. That said, summod is by no means perfect, but its far better than the base game.

But I suppose you can continue believing that Machaka needed nerfs and Ragha needed buffs.

>>149376485
>i'd rather fight a chaff-spamming one-trick nation than the most blatantly OP nation in the game

wow incredible wisdom

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>>149375451
>>Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill

Reading guides to learn the small selection of spells actually worth casting is not the same as skill. By making more spells worthwhile you actually increase the options available to a player at any one time and give skilled players more chance to shine.

Dom4 is a game of reacting to your enemies weaknesses and countering their strengths. Spending gems on random summons in summod is just as bad as in vanilla.

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>>149375451
>Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.

>>149376310
> in MA, like Mari, whoop Ermor's ass
No. On my experince everything is the exact opposite. Mari can compete with Ermor only in early game while Ermor yet to have hordes of tribless sacreds online. Your statement shows that you are common with both nations only thanks to lore.
And the strength of Ermor not only his spammy chaff, but his basic death gem income, his spammable sacreds which are really good, the possibility to have insane amount of design points thanks to being able trash the scales, his cheap mages, his ability to kill the land and yet use the gold to push it's strongest dominion further and furter via temples.
Ermor is very hard to deal with 1 on 2, in the commom game it have to be surrounded and purged and in 1 on 1 fight Ermor MA is always prevails, it's a fact.

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>>149375451
Do I smell a new meme?

>>149376584
Well yeah, that's why I said I'd rather fight MA Ermor (the chaff spamming one (ok, maybe two) trick pony), over EA Xibalba, the most blatantly OP nation in the game.

>>149376851
>Reading guides to learn the small selection of spells actually worth casting is not the same as skill.
It's true. But for some scrub the list of worthy spells consists of about 10-20 or so. And for the skilled player that list contains of about 100-150 spell. That is the difference between them. So you don't need to make all the spells equal, you have to understand how to use the ones you already have.

>>149376485
EA Xibalba is the very strong nation due to tacticl versatility of it's troops. But it's normal. Totally normal and can be countered. It doesn't have an insane freespawn (beast bats are good, but you need Onaquis to spam that, in 1 on 1 fight you just won't let Xibalba have em), it has no free design-points, it's a gold-hungry and land-hungry nation just like any blood-nation, it has shitty cap-only sacreds and it's troops on the weaker side apart from they ability to fly and go stealth. Bats are good, but they are have their weaknesses, while Ermor is just flawless in any aspect, as I mentioned earlier >>149377509.
And yet, I don't think that Ermor needs to be nerfed. It's only invincible in the duel. Proper, skilled players can counter it, while cooperataing.

>>149375451
Your argument seems to be that
1.) summod removes trap options, and
2.) knowing to avoid trap options is what distinguishes good players from bad.

That is really, really dumb. Yes, summod reduces the number of trap options. No, that isn't a bad thing. Trap options aren't a useful metric of skill, just basic knowledge. To the extent they add challenge, it's only there because there are elements that are poorly designed, and experienced players know to avoid the parts of the game that are poorly designed.

>>149378714

I'm pretty sure he was more focusing on keeping the thread alive than anything else.

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>>149379505
That's what you get for taking a meme pretender

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>>149380061
Using undead is cheating.

>>149378714
It's not as simple as that. Who said that some item or spell or research goal or battle formation, or vanila nation or starting strategy or etc. is the trap option by itself? You? Who?
The only correct answer is: IT DEPENDS.
And the summod just cutting down all the little differences and slight bonuses from the items and spells and nations BY UNIVERSALIZATION them all. That's a wicked way. Simplifing one.
With the summod you don't need to think how to jump on S6 to get to Horror Harmonica or to E4 to get Iron face or you don'y need to value your summoned commanders and chaff as strong as in vanila anв so on. You just doing things MORE CARELESSLY, you can more easy and faster snowball your strength, and suffering some defeat you can back on you feet a lot faster. This mod makes the burden of a mistake insignificant. It's a harmful, lukewarm and forgiving mod.

I'll repeat myself, it's not the mass of knowledge which makes the good player good. It's proper, mindful, accurate, effective strategy which makes you one. And by simplifing game you are not only creating a larger gap between scrubs abd good players (skill in the easier environment may lead you even further then you usually go, and the more skill the more you can achieve in such circumstances ), but you also making the game itself less worth putting your efforts into investigating it, understanding it and optimizing your strategy.

Now the mod is harmful.

>>149380530
Except Summod actually makes the game more complex, instead of simplifying it. By adding additional options, the complexity is increased.

>>149380530
Well, you're welcome to make your own mod that goes in the opposite direction.

>>149375451
Tell me your Steam name so I could ban you from all my games.

>>149378701
Strange, I've had no issues 1v1 ing Ermor before as any nation with Holy Comms. If they start seperated enough that Aby can hit Conj 5, they also shit on them.

Not that MA Ermor isn't hella strong, but consider that LA Xibalba (not EA, funnily enough) maintains a winrate 6% higher . . .

Flying, stealthy chaff > not flying, not stealthy chaff, as a general rule.

this thread has a distinct lack of todgerposting

>>149381421
plz no

>>149369724
Gotta keep the thread alive with turnbullying even if there's no stalers to bully bud, now do your fucking turn.

Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by ulm pikes.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by ulm pikes.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by ulm pikes.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by ulm pikes.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by ulm pikes.

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>>149375451
I smell future copypasta

>>149381142
I am not playing in your filthy games. I am admin in all my games.

>>149380980
Suddenly maybe you are right, I have never played any MP-game with summod. But I don't want to. All that listed easy access to the items, cheaper spells and mostly unreasonable changes in nations making apparent for me that this mod is the simplification of the game rules.

>>149381042
I think vanila is the best. It's worth suffering to git gud at it.

>>149380530
Oh, you're a rusky.

Opinion disregarded, your people are a blight upon multiplayer gaming.

Now I took some of my time to actually read about changes summod brings in. And I can clearly state that it's awful. Beyond awful.
The main 'achievement' of this mod is the simplification of the game to the point that even the most clueless player can blindly find a simple but effective strategy to carry him through the game and he can do it almost effortlessly. For example you can mass produce OP, low-level, cheap items, give them to your cheaper leaders and they can perform good. And scrubs happy about it, they probably think: "Wow, NOW with that buffs I can take on Maerlande or Lambert without embracing myself", or something like that. But in reality the game becomes INCREDIBLY easier to play the more skilled you are. In the vanila you can perform bad due to huge blow from random events, cruitical mistake or from ill will of the neighbours, but with summod all you need to be OK is to SPEND GEMS. No matter what you are doing with them you'll be OK, since a lot of items and summons are dirt cheap now and OP.

Well, basically this mod is a huge mistake. I kinda respect the guys who created it, but they performed the task really poorly. It's not a balance mod, it's a mod to simlify the game, making it less challenging and less worthy of putting efforts into it. Mod which makes the game boring, or more boring.
By trying to cater to scrubs who doesn't have proper grasp on the game, experienced players like sum1won, Lamert S, Todger and others just created something mediocre which is not worth learning and adjusting your sense of game to.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The only real problem with the balance in the game is MA Ermor being invulnerable in 1 on 1 fight. But the proper diplomacy may bring it down and in general I don't think that it's wrong to have 1 really OP nation if everyone is aware about the fact that it's OP so they can act accordingly.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.

>>149382017
Oh, it's that autistic faggot admin who always uses WH 1.23. Carry on then.

>>149382017
Are you the Evropa Admin?

>>149382017
>easier access to items
Such as?
>cheaper spells
Such as? Give examples that weren't horrendously overpriced normally please.
>unreasonable changes in nations
Such as?

>>149380530
But it's not simplifying the game.

Bringing more options into the same level of parity increases the amount of options which are viable in any given situation. Objective fact. Your argument stems from the fact that having more viable options makes the game easier, which is flagrantly wrong.

>proper, mindful, accurate, effective strategy

Meaning what, exactly? You are making a non-statement. This means nothing. Knowing which spells and items to use at which time is what makes you a good player, which is just a sum of knowledge + situational awareness.

Everybody has access to the same tools, in vanilla it's a matter of finding the ones which you can exploit, the ones which are OP (Situationally, ideally, but often not), or the ones which are not being anticipated by your opponent. In summod, it is EXACTLY THE SAME, except there are more tools in each category. By definition, the game becomes more complex.

Sorry about the hold up, I did a double. I hope this game will be quick and fun.

>>149381421
But first we have to talk about how Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.

>>149383954
I want him to start the game 2 provinces away from Atlantis as Riley. And then tell everyone how "that's exactly like blessrush" and "can be overcome by player's skill".

>>149384779
It wasn't even 2 provinces away. They were fucking adjacent.

>>149352507
I think I got you.

>>149384779>>149385953
> hurr durr your nation counters mine
And all it's to solve a problem is to make a proper starting positions and for R'lyeh to take at least Awaken Expander.

>>149386523
So, things that involve knowing EXACTLY where you will start, who will be your neighbor, and what they're going to do? Get a trip so I could filter you, please.

>>149386523
Oh, right

Well, I suppose strategy games are very easy to git gud at if you can see the fucking future.

>>149371791
10, and most I am in a decent position in.

>>149386889
It's impossible to know where you start normally, but it's an admin fail if he puts in the game more UW nations that the map can handle and they are starting in the adjacent lands. That's a bug, that's not a normal situation and someone's carelessness is responsible for that.
You can deduce if you playing for Riley that some UW nation may be your neighbour.
And about what you can do is git gud first. Fuck you about trip suggestion. Get rekt, scrub.

>>149387120
It's not about seeing a future, it's about having some common sense. You know that R'lyeh is very weak early game, and you can start near Atlantis. How can you counter this at least partially? To have Awaken SC, for example, so before collusion with Atlantis you can have some spare provinces, where you'll get some spare chaff, and it could be enough to stop Atlantis or at least drag the war longer, so someone can backstab frogs and save you.

>>149357343
>>149358736
>>149372502
Flying quickness dual duskdaggers
or
Flying quickness hammer of the mountain


But you will need more than one of those to make it less risky.

>>149375451
>Lamert S
God damn it shitposter, at least run a spellchecker on your rant.

Also Olhman has, uh, argued against RoS changes and said some things? Oh and been part of the Therodos fixing.

>>149387949
>you can win a 1v1 war if it's 2v1

Brilliant strategy, Rejakor. You sure showed how player skill can overcome all balance issues.

>>149388353
Actually, the best way is a handful of air elementals. The lightning damage stunlocks them, and they do damage pretty quickly.

>>149372953
>>149373090
>>149371791
All me

Which Western / Clint Eastwood character would Pelagia be?

>>149388576
The coffin maker from A Fistfull of Dollars. Never gets involved in the fighting but profits by getting to make and sell a whole lot of coffins as by the time the film is over EVERYONE asside from him in town is dead.

>>149388758
That's actually really good, thanks.

>>149382774
Well, considering there's no argument against any of this, I suppose we can only conclude summod is a pure improvement.

>>149388989
There's a couple of other suggestions, but it depends on other nations and how the game goes, I can totally see Pelagia as the bandit leader from a few dollars more, the sister being R'lyeh and the Smoker being Ermor.

>>149389203
What if they want to rush Arcane Nexus and then relax in their sea in harmony and contentment?

>>149389404
The couple from For a Fistfull of Dollars that are trying to run away from the violence.

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>nippleheim realized he fucked up by declaring war on everybody and is not gonna play anymore

>>149389975
He literally joined to shitpost. I don't get it.

>>149389975
As expected of a scrub from inferior board.

>>149390103
You gotta admit, that's an impressive dedication to shitposting.

>>149377509
I know I'm late as fuck, but
>5 basic death gem income plus 1 extra every other turn or so past maybe turn 7
>Knights of the Unholy Sepulchre, which only spawn from forts that cost 1200/1500 gold and spawn in small amounts of significantly less than a fort producing anything short of Paladins could produce per-turn
>'''CHEAP MAGES''' that cost 12 Dgems for a basic mage and 20 for a good one (!!!), AND need a mage turn to summon
>plus all their priests being summoned in the EXACT SAME MANNER, 10 Dgems for a H1 priest (!!!!!)

Ermor's only real advantage is hordes of freespawn, the ability to take a strong bless for a decent sacred, and some good cancer options + cancer scales and dom10 with temples everywhere.

MA Mari with proper kits and support absolutely carves through hordes of ghouls and undead legionares, and they can deal with, say, W9D9S9 Knights easily too if they're making use of their fairly-limited options. MA Ermor is only tough to deal with because scrubs don't know how to deal with le 7000 skeletons, so they constantly bring in hordes of ineffective doomstacks and fail to focus on the strategies that are available even to a weak nation like Mari. Just supporting a group of blessed thugs with SF mages eat skeletons and even tribless Knights for breakfast, lunch and dinner well into the lategame, at which point you will also have options for dealing with conventional late death.

>>149388406
You are making up shit like a proper scrub you are.
If on the map there are more than 2 nations then it's not wrong to consider war 1 on 2. If someone rushing you that is only natural to tell all his neighbours that he is focused on you and since you are Riley it's less likely that they'll turn on you instead than on the agressor.
In my experience the guy with LA R'lyeh without many efforts took out La Atlantis once, using Awaken SC as support and superior battle tactics.

And what you are doing now is defending your lack of skill and understanding of the game.

"There are two kinds of people in this world, those with quadbless and those who stale, I suggest you start staling"
"Now I know what you're thinking, did I cloud trap 5 thugs or 6? In the excitement I can't quite remember myself, so you gotta ask yourself, are you feeling lucky, punk? Well, do ya?"
"Well well, if it isn't the Abysian, small world, and so very bad for you."

>>149390260
>wds triple bless
are you playing against morons? That explains a lot. The actually dangerous blesses are some combo of W, N, D, and B, with N as basically mandatory.

also

>thinking 20 gems is expensive for a mage that good
have you looked at literally any other summon in the game

>>149390260
If we are talking about 1 on 1 fight like in duel then Ermor will wipe out Mari even earlier then they will be able to field something considered as a thug.

Also about greentext. The worthy sacreds of Ernor is not knights, but Lictors and you can spam 3 of them per cast with the Larel. Cap income of Ermor is 15 death gems. Dusk Elders are cheap. No one summons h1 priest for Ermor, only H3.

>>149390770
>B on Knights
what the fuck am I reading

>>149390980
>B on Lictors

>>149389975
Does it matter if he declared war on everyone, we'd have to go through fucking elves just to get to him.

>>149390980
If you don't understand why that is useful for ermor, you literally don't have enough skill to be making claims about how they play.

>>149390260
Are you talking about Summod Ermor A.K.A. potentially balanced Ermor?

>>149390980
If you're new, don't open your filthy mouth to spew moronic statements, please. Just ask why people pick B9 on Ermor. They pick two majors + B9 on Ermor to get infinite freespawning sacreds + lictors that fuck shit up.

Honestly, if I were to play Ermor in a duel, I wouldn't take a tribless. I probably wouldn't even take any bless aside from an incidental one. I'd take an awake monster with Dom 9 (this might even be the one instance I take Dom 10, though that'd depend on how many points I end up having). I'd try to fort my cap circle ASAP and spend my D gems on spectators rather than dusk elders (more efficient in Magic 3, and you're not going to use the more advanced magic or diversity that dusk elders bring). Then I'd look to rushing with freespawn, and mobilize ALL of my spectators to join the rush once I hit either Ench 5 or Evo 5, depending on what nation I'm dueling.

What is this game.
Looks fun.

Looks like what would happen if Heroes of Might and Magic had sex with Civilization in the age of early Total War games.

>>149392427
It's more of a war game that a strategy game, but it's very fun.

Meanwhile, Fistful now has an Ermor player

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForAFistfulOfDeathgems

You should join, so you can prove that it isn't ridiculously OP.

Joooin.

>>149396892
>wanting people to join a big MA game with ermor in it

FUCK NO.Not that shit again, i don't care if it's modded.

>>149397298

Rate people are joining, I'll probably end up switching down to a smaller map tomorrow.

Guessing there haven't been enough games ended recently for there to be a lot of people free, and I haven't played in over a year. Want turns noooow.

>>149396892
I'd join if ermor wasn't modded.

>>149398010
But why? Ermor's already in, and it's nerfed.

>>149396892
Can you delete Pelagia? I changed my mind and want to swap to Pangaea.

>>149398132
It's the butthurt ruskie probably

>>149398284

Done. Hopefully you aren't a different dude attempting to ruse me into deleting someone's Pelagia pretender so you can claim it instead.

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>>149398723
Thanks

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>>149396892
>Ermor
>Ys
Sounds like this'll be hellish so I'll give it a go.

Now I took some of my time to actually read about changes Item Units mod brings in. And I can clearly state that it's awful. Beyond awful.
The main 'achievement' of this mod is the simplification of the game to the point that even the most clueless player can blindly find a simple but effective strategy to carry him through the game and he can do it almost effortlessly. For example you can mass produce OP, low-level, cheap units, give them to your cheap leaders and they can perform good. And scrubs happy about it, they probably think: "Wow, NOW with that buffs I can take on Maerlande or Lambert without embracing myself", or something like that. But in reality the game becomes INCREDIBLY easier to play the more skilled you are. In the vanila you can perform bad due to huge blow from random events, cruitical mistake or from ill will of the neighbours, but with Item Units all you need to be OK is to SPEND GEMS. No matter what you are doing with them you'll be OK, since a lot of items and units are dirt cheap now and OP.

Well, basically this mod is a huge mistake. I kinda respect the guys who created it, but they performed the task really poorly. It's not a balance mod, it's a mod to simlify the game, making it less challenging and less worthy of putting efforts into it. Mod which makes the game boring, or more boring.
By trying to cater to scrubs who doesn't have proper grasp on the game, experienced players like amuys and others just created something mediocre which is not worth learning and adjusting your sense of game to.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The only real problem with the balance in the game is MA Ermor being invulnerable in 1 on 1 fight. But the proper diplomacy may bring it down and in general I don't think that it's wrong to have 1 really OP nation if everyone is aware about the fact that it's OP so they can act accordingly.
Dominions 4 HAVE NO balance issues which can not be overcome by player's skill.

>>149405091
>Change the mod name to a different mod I helped with
>Remove my name
MEMES.

>>149405308
It's actually a part of the meme. I didn't even play a game with Item Units mod, neither did I check who made it, other than seeing amuys posting the link somewhere. Just like the guy posting the original text.

>>149405091
Someone should post that on a mod in Dom3Mods or Desura (with name changes as appropriate) just to see the reactions.

>>149405547
Fair enough, just want to make sure if anyone is making a mod and needs technical help to allow their awesome idea to work I'm more than happy to be the helping hand.

Scripting question - do units that have Gift of Flight cast on them get targeted by units set to Fire - Flyers or Attack - Flyers?

Also, when does Hold - Attack Closest (or Hold - Attack in general) pick its targeted squad?

>>149408310
1.) Not sure.
2.) I believe after holding.

If flying units are grounded due to a storm do they take damage from Earthquake? And do they receive their bonuses to siege and patrol strength?

>>149408310
Targets are assigned at the beginning of the battle. If there are any actual fliers on the battlefield they're most likely to be targeted, otherwise their orders will default.

>>149408932
The first is yes for sure. The second I'm not sure of, since I haven't seen perpetual storm used that often

>>149409002
That doesn't match with the behavior seen when spells like Howl are cast. Melee units will chase the wolves if set to attack closest rather than continue charging at the enemy squads that started closer.

>Have to leave in 7 minutes and won't have internet access for almost 24 hours
>turn just came in

Thank you, Nazca.

>>149408932
>>149409165
>The first is yes for sure.
Yeah, except not. Fliers are immune to EQ damage other than cave collapse effect, even during storm.

>Melee units will chase the wolves if set to attack closest rather than continue charging at the enemy squads that started closer.
Only if they get into melee with wolves before reaching the guys they targeted.

>>149410502
Yeah long ass day for me, did a double too.

C'tis, this is your final warning. Get your shit together or I'll rek u m8.

Vanheim, I gave you 12 hours. 12 HOURS. Hurry the fuck up.

>>149410985
REally?

Abysia, stay on your continent and I'll stay on mine. You have better targets than me.

>>149417127
Okay, really curious, who?

Like, he hard counters you, and unlike Machaka, the world will give him free space to clear out a massive blood menace.

And while he's close to Hinnom, funwagons can beat Burning Ones well enough.

>>149417678
He hardly hard-counters me. I took cold scales and have highly blessed sacreds that easily fuck up burning ones in cold/turmoil (I checked).

His other targets include machaka, who he actually hard-counters, and Berytos, who are an actual blood power with a shit early game.

And of course, hinnom, who has actually good blood in summod and is only going to get harder to fight.

>>149418423
Note: I'm aware that ordinarily, lanka is a good target for abysia. That's half the reason I took the build I did. The other half is that this is a memegame, so why not take a memebuild?

The summod fix has 267 errors? Is that meant to happen?

>>149418423
If you really took Cold scales, then yeah, he has better stuff to do. Getting you to take cold scales was punishing enough if that's true.

Abysia doesn't really connect to Berytos I thought though.

>>149418982
n-no

But I also don't know how you have 267 errors. You might not have downloaded the sprites properly.

>>149418982
>>149419602
If you guys use the latest version of summod, it has the errors fixed anyways

>>149419383
I really, really did. It'll take a few turns for the scales to establish, as it is summer right now but by the time abysia gets to my capital, it'll be cold3.

>>149421274
That sounds pretty dumb, desu, but given that you knew to expect Abysia rushing you it does make sense.

>>149421274

You understand that you dont get extra points from changing your scales more than three points right? Cold3 doesn't get you more scales than Cold1.

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>>149418982
>>149419602
>>149419695
Would you believe it was because I was dumb enough to download the fix while forgetting to download the mod itself?

>>149422197
I believe you, but assuming that this is for the Fistful of games, y'all may as well just use the newer version anyways. It doesn't actually matter, since only EA/LA Xibalba were changed, but I don't think it makes sense to make people download the quick-hack version I put together rather than an official version.

>>149422158
I know that. However, it also makes me harder to invade, and having burningones up the ass is worth more than some gold when the game is already flush with it.

>>149422590
>having burning ones up the ass

That should read

>not having burning ones up the ass

>>149422590
>>149423293

I dunno, I've always enjoyed some Burning Ones up the ass myself. Truly priceless.

>>149423630
I don't enjoy it, per se, but I like Mexican food enough to put up with it.

>>149405091
forced pasta is forced

Domg:

How would you improve MA Oceania?

How about EA Oceania? (Note that Ohlmann gives EA Oceania substantial blood access).

>>149429849
Give them a unit as good as revelers.
Have sirens give better air access.

>>149429849
>Substantial blood access on a UW nation
That sounds REALLY cool, but also probably won't be enough to make them good. I'd say go for it and see if they actually get to hold onto coasts long enough to use it, but I'd harbor my doubts about it being enough.

Both Oceanias currently suffer the same problem of having just awful mages. MA Oceania has okay troops, EA Oceania has garbage. On land, a Capricorn is N4E1W1(WNEA)1. You essentially pay MORE for a Pan while having a lower chance of E2 for earth buffs and without the awesome units to buff with them. A siren is A1W1 (garbage) and Haliades are aquatic W2N2(WNEA)1. All of their mages are overpriced for what they bring.

So what do they need? I think changes should aim to give them stuff that makes them more distinct from other nations and emphasizes advantages that they already have. On land, they're worse-Pan, except they can bring some higher water with Haliades wearing robes of the sea.

Underwater, both eras lose out on magic to the other UW nations which each bring different things out. Atlantis mages have high E access (which is great UW, btw, since Maws/Meld both work). R'lyeh brings mindblast. Pelagia is just king of the sea, with the highest water magic and multi-attack cavalry. Oceania has the most nature and should look to be able to take advantage of that, but nature magic is deeply unimpressive UW until Storm of Thorns and mass prot come up.

Summod already helps them out quite a bit incidentally with the scaling AoE entangle spell and scaling on wooden warriors. Their Capricorns are very good at using both, and it gives them UW accessible battle magic sooner. Sirens are reasonably efficient at spamming out water elementals, and that often is what UW battles come down to.

I'll make my suggestions in a new post

>>149431130
Godspeed.

EA Oceania does need unit improvements. I don't think that they need units as good as revelers, because Revelers are THE most efficient infantry in the game, but I do think that they need units that are more killy than what they have now. Their centaur have worse stats than the land based ones except for their prot, and have half the attack density on account of their missing hoof attack. Giving ichtycentaur and aphroi a hoof attack on land would already be a huge bump in power, and honestly wouldn't break anything given that they're already 30 gold pseudo-cavalry or 65 gold sacreds.

As for the satyr, they're already on-par with Pan's non-reveler satyr (garbage), except they're not stealthy or foreign recruit so your niche-case of using them as Pan when you want to raise an army from that forest you just raided goes away and your use case for them drops down to never. Rather than bump them up to reveler power level, I'd say give all of them poison poison barbs and coral spears at their same cost. They still won't be good, but they'll be better and in a way that doesn't make them identical to land satyr. Then also give all of them poison resistance since their new lore features heavy poison proximity. This gives them all synergy with their national magic paths, since suddenly you can drop foul vapors and poison clouds on your own army without first needing to put up resistance spells. This won't be enough to make them a T1 power on its own, but it does improve their damage a little bit and encourages you to use your national magic alongside them more.

This still will be a relatively minor buff, though, since giants don't care about poison and a lot of things are immune to it already as well. In combination with the incidental spell buffs that they've already received, the ability to kill things better with centaur, and potential blood magic on land, it might make them not be so weak that they're boring to play (Part 2 for MA coming)

MA Oceania is literally named after Myrmidons and takes identical mages while giving them genuinely strong heavy infantry and cataphracts. If their centaur get the hoof treatment that EA gets, cataphracts are going to be very strong. They'd become better than MA Pan's cataphracts, given that they have lower res cost, higher damage on every attack after the lance charge, and even higher strategic movement at MM3. That's all the changes these guys need.

The myrmidons themselves are also solid units when they're fighting, with 19 damage tridents and 18 prot plus shields. However, they still suffer from the basic heavy infantry problem - having MM1 and low AP sucks. They're great at holding the line, but unlike, say, Ulm, they DON'T have arbalests and powerful evo behind them to do the killing while they soak hits. Also unlike Ulm, you don't have res producing mages to help with the 28 resources that each infantry lad costs. Even worse than this is the fact that coasts tend to have fewer connections than inland provinces, and on many maps UW provinces have fewer connections as well, which means that your forts will be producing less resources to begin with (There's also some weirdness with their landshape costing 20 gold.)

One fix that might work is to help Oceania in using its heavies more with a resource boosting coastal mage. Call it a bronzesmith or whatever, since the use of this heavy bronze armor is their new national theme. This helps push them onto coasts for a different reason (EA will want new blood mages, EA will want new bronze mages), and the push for coasts also encourages conflict with land nations. I wouldn't give them F, since that would make them overlap with Ulm way too much, but if they can get E2 on at least a large portion of them, they'd already be great what with LoS, Destruction, Meld, etc all in there. It's not outside of what their nation currently has, it's just now on a mage that doesn't cost 360 gold to get it on a 25% random.

Uh, anyone else have thoughts?

>>149432923
Oh, and you can give Myrms MM2 as well, probably. Satyr Hoplites in both MA and LA already have it, so it's really not unreasonable (even if Myrms are more heavily armored).

What are all the lose conditions for this game?

>>149439154
Losing all of your provinces (including forts) and losing all of your candles

>>149439280
So even if they take my capital and all my land, as long as I got a tiny fort standing with a candle I can keep going?

>>149439387
Yes. Someone actually did this as Marignon with one dinky fort, put up Eyes of God, spammed scouts of some kind, and played out the rest of the game as a newscaster.

>>149439479
I recall somebody also did it with Mictlan, blood hunted their cap, and spent the rest of the game as TNN's pet assassin producing city-state.

>>149439674
That sounds like an interesting game with the goal being to vassalize other players. Might host something like that.

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Reminder to start with more than 3 dom.

really?

are you really trying to blackmail me into being unable to get provinces on your entire continentwhich, is motherfucking Asia BTW, regardless of who i am at war with?

do you think some dank blesses on monkeys and cold 3 would stop me from destroying my economy into rushing you?

i didn't even want to rush you, but with your provocations you are making me almost want it.
if you don't want me into your continent bring some goddamn "incentives"( and i mean gold or blood slaves ) on the table.

>>149441679
It's not like abysia is massively crippled by cold 3 anyway. They are no bats

>>149350552
Joining as Agartha

>>149441679
Hey Abysia, you're in the Middle East right? My sailing could potentially have me colonizing a few coastal provinces over there. If you'd allow me some clay I'd be willing to help you hold the sub-continent and also maybe expand outwards.

This isn't me itching for a fight though, I don't want to send the wrong message. I'm looking for friends, not enemies. Can't love the whole world either though, I know that.

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Live!

What does summod do for UW combat? I know it adds more spells to be cast underwater but what are the most notable ones?

>>149447470
The big thing is honestly just the item changes giving easier UW access. The spell changes basically just gave a friendly-currents like effect to A and F so that nations that weren't already toting decent W access would have a slightly easier time

>>149447551
Oh, and some of the other spell changes like the AoE tangle spell and scaling buffs also work UW, but that's more of an "and also" than a primary change

>>149447551
>>149447628
Oh cool, thanks

Hurrah, people have joined while I slept.

>>149422519
Yeah, that's true enough. Will get that switched up. Shouldn't make any difference for those of you who've already submitted pretenders, as I'm pretty sure Summod doesn't make significant pretender changes anyway. Just make sure you have the appropriate mod when the game starts.

>>149444976
i am afriad that my resource intensive units will need as many middle east provinces as possible.
there are actually really few provinces: by conquering my capring and the ring of the province i want to plant a fort on that's basically all lands i will end up having.

i could let you have 143 and province north of that, the problem is that ctis already have that and giants will be next in line.I do indeed feel a bit pressured.

>>149448906
You are playing the nation with among the worst scaling and among the best sacreds and your plan for expansion doesn't involve murdering at least one of your neighbors?

>>149449026
i didn't mean to say that.But certainly i don't plan to fight berytos.Also half my neighbours are fire resistant. fuck that.

>>149444976
>>149448906
however if what you want is just one province to launch an attack to asia( lanka in particular) i could let you have that.
i just don't know which one could it be since i have no idea how far away you can sail.

>>149449182
On a positive note, monkeys cant cast rain because of their cold 3 scales.

Hurray for properly priced fireballs.

>>149449420
how do you cast rain with cold3?

>>149449483
When you cast rain in cold 3 it becomes snow which doesn't fuck fire magic.

In other words, Lanka's scales nonsense backfired and you should totally kill them as soon as you have conj 3. Or now. Now would also work

>>149449483

If you cast Rain in a Cold province you get snow instead, which reduces heat auras, but doesn't affect Fire magic fatigue cost.

>>149449483
Could you jump in chat a sec?

>>149449550
top kek

i don't think i will ever fight them in cold 3 however.

how much does rain normally increase fireball cost?

>>149449721
It doubles the fatigue cost of all fire spells

>>149449767

All fire PRIMARY PATH spells. Crosspath fire is a bit more complicated. The Acid spells are WF rather than FW, and would have the usual fatigue costs, for example.

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Anyone have any experience with pbem manager?

I keep trying to add new game and it won't pick anything up. It's not giving me an error or anything.

Does someone have any info on how you're supposed to set up the preferences?

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>>149450647

>>149450647
>>149450936
Is it this one you're talking about?

https://github.com/etheralm/dom4pbem

If not can you please link me the correct one?

>>149451092
Ah, sorry, I was sure you're talking about this one: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pbem-manager-new-stuff.104015/ since it was mentioned several times in the thread.

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>>149450647
See >>149450936, though if you have your mail set up to autmatically filter Llamaserver messages like I did, don't forget to change this field or the whole thing will fail to work.

>>149451183
I'm not the same person I just want a pbem.

Thanks for the link.

>>149451092
No yeah that's the one.. Still not working tho.

Pretty sure I did everything right. Enabled both the things on the email so idk. I joined a game on that email but it hasn't started yet, would that affect anything? I wish there was a way to test to see if anything was working.

>>149451092
>>149451183
That's the same one.

>>149451265
If the game hasn't started yet, I don't think you can add it. You need to actually have received a turn first afaik.

>>149449721
You asked about my colonization. From Africa I could easily reach the Middle-East via (78) and (111). Would either of those be acceptable? If not I can find other places to go.

>>149452254
>my capring
>my port to asia

i can't really deal with that sorry.

>>149452413
fair enough, I'll find a less bothersome route out of Africa somewhere else

JEWS

GHOSTS

do your turn.

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Still looking for a sub.

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:3

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>>149453647
Would it be weird to sub in as the guy who removed you from the game in the first place?

>>149453940
A little bit

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What nations do you think are underplayed or bad, and what can be done to make them see more play?

>>149454331
MA Pelagia is a strong mage nation atm. The mystics given to them in the big UW patch are really good, and people should try them more.

>>149453242
Hinnom's probably not home yet. He said he'd be back late Sunday.

>>149441679
I'm not "trying to blackmail you", and apologize for any offense for pointing out I'm no longer the juicy target I might have been. The continent question is india. If you look at the map, you'll note that had you expanded into india, taking the coast alone would have cut off 1/3 of my expansion, and taking more than that would have put you into my capring. You're more than welcome to expand into asia, just not via a route which would cut off most of my expansion in India, which is literally the only place I can expand. I'll note that not only are you already in asia (minor), but you can easily expand into other parts of asia to your north.

I am willing to set up trading at some point in the future, though. I suspect I'll have better blood hunting than you, and I'm sure you'll have things you can contribute too. There's no reason this can't be mutually beneficial.

>>149449524
>>149449420

Lanka can't cast rain anyways. No W access. There's no "backfire", apart from the gold loss.

>>149453940
Nah. Do it.

Maybe it would be hilarious from the player point of view, but I honestly prefer that instead of having a big ass AI.

Welcome back, senpai.

>>149455889
>>149453940
You'll have a second chance to kill the ones who betrayed you.

>>149455519
allright then, i will look for other routes into asia, i didn't really look at the map and your cap, sorry.

i will love blood slaves!

>>149455889
All right. If you're the admin, can I contact you on Steam?

>>149456016
From what little I've heard about the game after I left, they all got what was coming to them already. Lemuria by Atlantis, Agartha by C'tis, and Bogarus by himself.

>>149456714
Don't you mean Bpgarus by Martyring himself for our harmony and contentment?

>>149456868
That too, of course.

>>149453647
I've sent you a message on Steam, but you're offline so I hope you get it.

Why is Stygian Skin an Alteration spell, but Stygian Rains, which is the same thing except bigger, Evocation?

>>149457249
What's the difference between Enchantment and Alteration?

Why does Blood do everything when gem spells are divided?

Why are Iron Angels called by Conjuration and not Construction when it's obviously a human in a magical mech suit?

>>149457249
The better question is how to stop your mages from off-script casting Stygian Rain as anybody other than Atlantis.

For people who wanted to contribute ideas to reforming artefacts, here's the trello board:

https://trello.com/c/qK4rYqOh/129-artefact-revisions

>>149457394
>What's the difference between Enchantment and Alteration?
Enchantment puts magic power on an object, Alteration changes the object itself.
>Why does Blood do everything when gem spells are divided?
Regular gems have many different magical uses, but all Blood magic is performed by sacrificing virgins to demons.
>Why are Iron Angels called by Conjuration and not Construction when it's obviously a human in a magical mech suit?
It's not a man in a mech suit, it's literally an angel made of iron. The spell description makes this quite clear by stating that the caster CONTACTS an iron angel to work for him, rather than BUILDING one.

>>149457436
Don't give them D gems if they have the paths to cast it, I guess.

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>>149457394
>iron angels

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>>149457717
>I am a human underneath this fucking amazing armor

Ulmish lies and propaganda.

>>149457976
>Not magical creature
It's not an angel.

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>>149458138
You're right, it's an iron angel.

>>149458138
It's still a divine being.

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>>149458165

>>149457670
>It's not a man in a mech suit, it's literally an angel made of iron
I've read the spell description, but since it's not mindless it's not a robot and since it's not a magical creature, it's not an angel like Mari and Pythium's are. Therefore, it is clearly a piloted mech.

>>149458165
That's fucking hilarious and very broken even if it does require S9 to cast

>>149458396
Get in the fucking iron angel, Shinji.

>>149458396
See >>149457976

It's definitely a different kind of angel than Mari's angels, but it's also definitely not a human.

>>149458396
>all things that are neither robots nor sacred angels are piloted mechs
>this is neither a robot nor a sacred angel
>therefore, it is a piloted mech

logic checks out.

>>149458828
I'm glad you get it.

>thinking there's a pilot
It's a super robot with AI.

>>149459321
But if it's a robot, how does that show the weak to be strong?

Look,if it's a mech, then clearly its lore makes sense - it shows men to trust in themselves and the steel they wield. It silently shows the superiority of true skill craftsmanship. It doesn't wield magic or faith.

spoppy gohst do turn reeeee

>>149459610
what geam

>>149459650
ye

>>149458165
More broken than defensive turn 1 ros or master enslave. Hell, more broken than multicast of those.

>>149459508
>if it's a mech
But it isn't a mech, so your whole argument is pointless.

>It doesn't wield magic or faith.
And yet it's a divine creature summoned by magic.

Every aspect of MA Ulm's lore is hypocritical as fuck, to the point where it pretty much has to be intentional.

All this talk about iron angel, is the unit actually worth summoning?

>>149460139
It makes for a great thug and Ulm has no trouble forging cheap as fuck thug gear, so it's definitely effective in that way. The problem is that it expensive for a thug and lacking self-buffing ability for an SC.

>>149459650
When_You_Stale_IRL

>>149460006
>But it isn't a mech, so your whole argument is pointless.
It's clearly a mech

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>>149459508
>how does that show the weak to be strong?
Hard work and guts is the base of all super robots, a being summoned from a plane of hot blooded metal wont have any issues teaching kids to believe in themselves. There's probably an Iron angels show running on all the scrying balls in Ulm.

>>149460551
There's nothing in the game even suggesting it's a mech. Its own description clearly states it's a divine being.

Stop writing fan-fiction.

>>149461026
I know it's not a mech. It's just funny headcanon

>>149461026
If it's not a mech then why is Ulm the smithing nation?
I'll wait.

>>149461182
Because it's ruled by Master Smiths and Priest Smiths.

Also, mechs are made by engineers, not smiths.

>>149461294
So what you're saying is... Arco should have mechs too.

>>149461359
Mage Engineers make more sense as being builders of flying mechs than Priest Smiths, yes.

>>149461294
>Also, mechs are made by engineers, not smiths.
ahhh but thats where your wrong, you see blacksmiths (named for the black soot that literally covered them from head to toe) in medeival times worked with metal, thus it is the smith who builds and designs the mechs.

>>149461953
Of course, medieval blacksmiths were renowned for their ability to create fearsome 20ft tall mech suits.

>>149462130
maybe not irl but this is a fantasy game where the only limits are your imagination!!

>>149462279
This gave me giggles.

>>149457075
Sorry, i'm not the admin. I hope he can come back before this turn is over.